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oiram

27-04-2011, 12:16 AM

Two Wolves

An old Cherokee chief is teaching his grandson about life:

"A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy. "It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.

"One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, self-doubt, and ego.

"The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope,
serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.

"This same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old chief simply replied, "The one you feed."
+100

Here is the key to all your questions & all you need to understand!

Do people really believe that the Truth is so hard to find if a Child was actually born with it from the first second of life?

Would the real truth be made so complicated that only a 100 year old Human starts to understands it?

And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

A Wise Human said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

Another Wise Human said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."
http://www.gnosis.org (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html)

I say no! .... & add ..... as soon a Child all by it's self starts to ask the question what is truth, Good & Evil the time to receive; the truth & knowledge has come!

Now I would presume the time for any Child to start asking such questions maybe starts between 10 to 18 years of age.

Do you know understand why your Leaders force your Children to go to there own created fully controlled Satan Schools by force of there self made laws; to be the first to answer these questions to all Children as soon they asking & are ready for it? ..

Well & the answer they receive logically is to feed the dressed up Evil Wolf & to let the Good Wolf die because the full preprogrammed Satan school system finds the Good Wolf so boring & useless!

Bingo!

Do you think the grandson got wise like his grandfather after he received the true teaching of the Wise Mans Words?

I say yes & I did long time ago ....... but did most of you.

As long people try to sort out all the names given for positive & negative & don't search in them selfs for the answer they will run around in circles for ever & ever.

Your truth can not be found externally of yourself...... Full Stop!

Not in Jesus
Not in Satan
Not in Lucifer (the morning Star Venus)
Not in Gods
Not in the Serpent
Not in any Books

"Which wolf will win?" .. "The one YOU feed."

So it's not your job to feed the wolfs of Jesus.
So it's not your job to feed the wolfs of Satan.
So it's not your job to feed the wolfs of Lucifer (the morning Star Venus)
So it's not your job to feed the wolfs of Gods.
So it's not your job to feed the wolfs of the Serpent.

One more big problem many people are feeding the wolf of the so called Experts & Professionals at the same time letting there own two Wolfs die; those individuals will be lost for ever & ever because you can not buy a new Wolf for your self to replace your own Wolfs!

But most can not & don't even try to listen to Wise Humans which barried there own Evil Wolf already!

Symbolically those individuals which killed there own Good Holly spirit Wolf & the Evil Wolf at the same time; will stay lost for ever & ever until there physical death.

Of cause I could be totally wrong here but only in one direction because One of my Wolf is dead & barried already & you maybe able to tell me which one I feeding right now.

For me to know & you to find out or guess......

Great! .... The Good Wolfs blessing.....
he must be happy with his food he receives from his Master?
http://www.visiblesoul.org/judah/images/Verses/Beatitudes.jpghttp://www.detower.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/webassets/BluewingWolf.jpg

My Personal notes:
Absolutely amazing Perfect again ..... I'm still in touch with whatever it is!.... To many times to just be coincidental.
Are my actions connected, related or synchronized with Symbolic number meanings?
My Posting No. 3451 = 13 .... what does it say Symbolically?
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu13.php
Properties of the number 13

Symbolism
Number that cleans and purifies.

The number 13 brings the test, the suffering and the death. It symbolizes the death to the matter or to oneself and the birth to the spirit: the passage on a higher level of existence.

For the superstitious, this number brings the bad luck or the misfortune.

For the cabalist, the number 13 is the meaning of the Snake, the dragon, Satan and the murderer. But it is also for Christians the representative number of the Virgin Mary, she whose mission is to crush the head of Satan.

Number in relation with the cross and also to the family, since by reduction we obtain four: 1 + 3 = 4.

It is the element of too, that which makes pass from a cycle to another with what this change implies of anxieties by the arrival of a new unknown cycle.

Represents the eternal love illustrated by Jacob and his twelve son, Jesus-Christ and his twelve apostles.

If we consider 13 as a wheel to 12 rays, that is to say as 12 units around a center, it is beneficial. If we take it as prime number, it is maleficent. It is especially maleficent when we are at table and when one believes in his power. But, as observed judiciously Grimod: "The number 13 is to be feared only insofar as there would be to eat only for twelve."

If we represent 12 under the form of the Zodiac, 13=12+1 is the number of the eternal return. The 13th hour is also the first, just like the 25th or the 37th.

According to R. Allendy, this number "represents a principle of activity 3 exerting in the Unit of a whole 10 which contains it and which makes it produce only one cycle of perpetually identical renewal (1 + 3 = 4). Or it is the mechanism of its organization which submits the Universe to a permanent mode of oscillations and which leads it to specialize in nature."

The image of the creature kneeling ahead the Throne of God, the Holy Trinity Father, Son and Holy Spirit, is symbolized by the number 13: the 1 ahead 3.

It is "the manifestation of the good or bad generating power", according to R. Schwaller.

Number representing the Son of God, according to Abellio.

The thirteenth mystery of the Tarot does not have a name. It marks the uncertainty, the hesitation, the fickleness or again a transformation, the end of something (the death) and a renewal, a rupture, that is to say a very important change.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu13.php

edelweiss

27-04-2011, 12:25 AM

In the context I was using, "Aloof" means to have a distant but hidden claimed knowledge... and to be confident in it, but also in hiding it.

it usually means that the person has not half as much of a clue as they think they do :)

Thanks, Thirdwave, for explaining.

Yes, who needs aloof messages?
I would rather choose to let those pass under the bridge!

(is this correct English?)

:)

Btw, are you aware that there are thought crime laws in Europe which force people to speak in metaphors and riddles on incriminated topics?

thirdwave

27-04-2011, 12:31 AM

Thanks, Thirdwave, for explaining.

Yes, who needs aloof messages?
I would rather choose to let those pass under the bridge!

(is this correct English?)

:)

Btw, are you aware that there are thought crime laws in Europe which force people to speak in metaphors and riddles on incriminated topics?

This is why I always explain my views as crystal clear as I can... ;)

edelweiss

27-04-2011, 12:40 AM

This is why I always explain my views as crystal clear as I can... ;)

Good on you!

;)

ohme

27-04-2011, 01:07 AM

Not that I believe this but, someone once told me the Church was run by Satan to keep humanity ignorant of their spirituality and bound to this 3 dimensional world, endlessly repeating the cycle of suffering.

Something to ponder.

No, I think you are correct, because even though they're only supposed to be dreams, I've had a few pretty powerful ones that confirm just that. It gave me one image, and that is that when behind closed doors the entity is an insidious alien.:) I had these dreams many years ago, and since getting on the internet it's been more confirmed to me rather than rejected. Not just the catholic church, this insidious spirit of illusion infiltrates all aspects of our lives. It's in our schools, councils, and in our very friendships with each other. There is an aspect that tries its hardest to keep you and each other blind, and there's the aspect that wants to wake up.

But now I don't really think these things are run by Satan. What we are really dealing with is the power we ourselves have, to keep our selves and others blind or awake. We create the level of consciousness around our planet that is either awakeness or blindness, or the mixture of both fighting for dominance. Eventually the Light will win, because that is what we are.

oiram

27-04-2011, 01:55 AM

Its quite a big book :), could you save me from reading all through it and tell me where? ..
You may know this tool already? http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.asp?SearchBy_Word=Lucifer)
Helped me a lot because I don't really know squat about the Bible stuff but learned a great bit over the last 7 years.

You may like this great entire Bible Data base tool to search for all verses with a specific Word entry & many more other options.

In the case of the Word "Lucifer" it appears only ONCE in the entire 39 OT Books 27 NT Books a total of 66 Books.

Isa 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Once you click the verse link it gives you the
Bk No.23
Chpt No.14
Vs No.12

And the Strong's No. ( H1966 heylel) it gives you all the different meanings for the single Word "O Lusifer"
לל heylel {hay-lale'} from 01984 (in the sense of brightness); TWOT - 499a; n m AV - Lucifer 1; 1 Lucifer = "light-bearer" 1) shining one, morning star, Lucifer 1a) of the king of Babylon and Satan (fig.) 2) (TWOT) 'Helel' describing the king of Babylon

In the case of the Word "Satan" it counts a total of ..... Verse Count: 49 with the Satan word entry.

In the case of the Word "Jesus" it appears in the entire Bible in..... Verse Count: 935 times

The Word "Religion" gives me this total result:
Act 26:5 Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.

Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

Jam 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

Jam 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Here is the Link to the Tool: http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.asp?SearchBy_Word=Lucifer
Database Features

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Strong's Defintions: Every Strong's Number is a hyperlink that will pop up a window to display the full definition from Strong's Concordance. You don't need to close the pop-up windows. The code will close them for you when you click on anything else.
Search By Strong's Numbers: Clicking the search icon ( ) beside any Strong's Number will return all verses that contain that number. You can also search for any Strong's Number by entering it in the "Search By Strong's Number" box at the bottom data display. Enter only the number with no leading zeros, choose the language, and click "Go."
Search By Verse Order Number: This search will return a verse according to its ordinal position in the Bible. Thus, searching for verse 1 will display Genesis 1:1 on the "Verse Analysis" page. Searching for Verse Number 31102 will return Revelation 22:21.

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All the words in the Bible that sum to specified Gematria value, with a hyperlink to to the corresponding Strong's Number and a link to the first verse in which the exact form of that word is found.
All the verses in the Bible that sum to the specified Gematria value, with a hyperlink that will display the verse in the "Verse Analysis" page.
A link to the corresponding article (if one exists) in the Gematria Reference that has been published on this site since 2001.
The prime factorization of the specified number.
A "Comments" section that I will fill up as I find time.

The Inc(lude)Checkboxes: These boxes allow you to include or exclude a word from the "Total" sum displayed at the top of the "Original Text" table. The checkbox beside the total at the top toggles all the buttons on and off, so you don't have to select them individually. The Total is a hyperlink that will exectute the "Search By Gematria" function.

Qere/Kethiv Radio Buttons: These buttons toggle between the Qere and Kethiv textual variations found in the Hebrew text. They only appear when needed.

One more tool for interested persons?
Calculate the number of your name with the Gematria Calculator
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/calculator/

Here is a translate tool from English to Hebrew ...
Hebrew to English & others
http://howtosay.org/translate.php

sephera

27-04-2011, 03:06 AM

No, I think you are correct, because even though they're only supposed to be dreams, I've had a few pretty powerful ones that confirm just that. It gave me one image, and that is that when behind closed doors the entity is an insidious alien.:) I had these dreams many years ago, and since getting on the internet it's been more confirmed to me rather than rejected. Not just the catholic church, this insidious spirit of illusion infiltrates all aspects of our lives. It's in our schools, councils, and in our very friendships with each other. There is an aspect that tries its hardest to keep you and each other blind, and there's the aspect that wants to wake up.

But now I don't really think these things are run by Satan. What we are really dealing with is the power we ourselves have, to keep our selves and others blind or awake. We create the level of consciousness around our planet that is either awakeness or blindness, or the mixture of both fighting for dominance. Eventually the Light will win, because that is what we are.

That's right everything in the material world is to bind us to the game that is this 3 dimensional life. 3rd Density, Jana. I think even some religions is designed to keep people bound to this material world. There is no hell to go to if you disobey God, we are close to Hell already, there are only 2 levels below us, there are many sub densities.

ftil

27-04-2011, 03:21 AM

Oiram wrote:

Your truth can not be found externally of yourself...... Full Stop!

Not in Jesus
Not in Satan
Not in Lucifer
Not in Gods
Not in the Serpent
Not in any Books

"Which wolf will win?" .. "The one YOU feed."

So it's not your job to feed the wolfs of Jesus.
So it's not your job to feed the wolfs of Satan.
So it's not your job to feed the wolfs of Lucifer.
So it's not your job to feed the wolfs of Gods.
So it's not your job to feed the wolfs of the Serpent.

Yes. We can only find our truth and we have to use our minds and hearts that give us guidance. We are not going to find it by being passive and stop learning and searching. We can’t deny that we have been compromised on many levels. Some people choose denial as an easy way. Therefore, I would disagree with your statements about not feeding Wolfs of Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, Gods, or Serpents.
I think that it is a big wisdom in words of Jesus as he said, “seek the truth and the truth shall set you free” It definitely works for me. We also are responsible as adults what we leave for future generations. Society has stopped working and we can’t deny that 20 million Americans suffer from major depression, similar number of people suffers form anxiety and we may add all forms of addictions. Interestingly enough, those problems have emerged with such intensity and magnitude for the last 30 years ago. 30 years ago they started pushing so hard new age beliefs and occult practices.
We have to be totally blind or totally mind controlled not to see it. :D

Today, I have been reading about Kalachakra Tantra. Our sweetheart Dalai Lama practices Kalachakara. I was sick to my stomach reading about ritualistic magic that involves sex. Hmm…..Blavatcky who prompted the idea that Lucifer is our god and the only god, revived her teachings in Tibet and India. She never revealed the secret teachings she received in Tibet. We have exoteric and esoteric teachings. I don’t want to quote the most disturbing parts. Too sick!

The seven lower initiations are supposed to first “purify” the pupil and then transform him into a deity. For this reason they are referred to as the “stage of production”. The following “four higher initiations” are considered to be the “stage of perfection”. They are known as: (8) the vase initiation; (9) the secret initiation; (10) the wisdom initiation; and (11) the word initiation. They may only be received under conditions of absolute secrecy by a small number of chosen.

In all of the higher initiations the presence of a young woman of ten, twelve, sixteen, or twenty years of age. Without a living karma mudra enlightenment cannot, at least according to the original text, be attained in this lifetime. The union with her thus counts as the key event in the external action of the rituals. Thus, as the fourth book of the Kalachakra Tantra says with emphasis, “neither meditation nor the recitation of mantras, nor the preparation, nor the great mandalas and thrones, nor the initiation into the sand mandala, nor the summonsing of the Buddhas confers the super natural powers, but alone the mudra” (Grünwedel, Kalacakra IV, p. 226).

Thus, at the end of this presentation of the fifteen initiation stages of the Kalachakra Tantra we can establish that all the essential features which we described in the general section on Tantrism reemerge in this “highest” occult teaching of Tibetan Buddhism: the absorption of gynergy, the alchemic transmutation of sexual energy, indeed from sexual fluids into androcentric power, the creation of androgyny, the sacrifice of the mudra and the sadhaka, the destruction of people to the benefit of the gods, and so on. To this extent the Kalachakra in essence does not differ from the other tantric systems of teachings. It is simply more comprehensive, magnificent and logically consistent. Additionally, there is its political eschatology, which allowed it to become the state tantra of Lamaism and which we still have to explore

http://goldenchipmunk.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/kalachakra-the-public-and-the-secret-initiations/

The tantric androgyny is supposed to actually partake of the lusts and joys of both sexes.
Grunwedel Kalacakara II p, 180

The woman is to be used as a ritual object and then cast aside. Women are merely spiritual batteries.

I wanted to know why they promote androgyny, pornography, and female whore archetype. It is more clear now. It is sickening even to read. :eek:

sephera

27-04-2011, 03:48 AM

There's no way Dalai Lama practices that, he is celibate and been so since childhood. It is offensive to suggest so from such flimsy sources.

There is some tantra practices in Tibetan culture, but I don't think it's part of Tibetan Buddhism. It is used to develop Kundalini and spirituality.

Buddhism has traditionally favored celibacy for person entering the order or monastery. Monks are celibate yet rarely get involved in vile or perverse practices that is common amongst celibate priests. They difference is they meditate and strive for enlightenment, and therefore their desires are released.

energi

27-04-2011, 05:03 AM

;)

Pfft.

You are on your path to free your Self from your illusion... So I could care less lmao :D

Or to put it this way: what himitsunomiko said

ftil

27-04-2011, 05:09 AM

sephera wrote:
There's no way Dalai Lama practices that, he is celibate and been so since childhood. It is offensive to suggest so from such flimsy sources.

There is some tantra practices in Tibetan culture, but I don't think it's part of Tibetan Buddhism. It is used to develop Kundalini and spirituality.

Buddhism has traditionally favored celibacy for person entering the order or monastery. Monks are celibate yet rarely get involved in vile or perverse practices that is common amongst celibate priests. They difference is they meditate and strive for enlightenment, and therefore their desires are released.

You are talking about knowledge that was sold to us. Why don't you do a good use of your brain and do your research before posting. :D:p

edelweiss

27-04-2011, 09:02 AM

Yes. We can only find our truth and we have to use our minds and hearts that give us guidance. We are not going to find it by being passive and stop learning and searching. We can’t deny that we have been compromised on many levels. Some people choose denial as an easy way. Therefore, I would disagree with your statements about not feeding Wolfs of Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, Gods, or Serpents.
I think that it is a big wisdom in words of Jesus as he said, “seek the truth and the truth shall set you free” It definitely works for me. We also are responsible as adults what we leave for future generations. Society has stopped working and we can’t deny that 20 million Americans suffer from major depression, similar number of people suffers form anxiety and we may add all forms of addictions. Interestingly enough, those problems have emerged with such intensity and magnitude for the last 30 years ago. 30 years ago they started pushing so hard new age beliefs and occult practices.
We have to be totally blind or totally mind controlled not to see it. :D

Today, I have been reading about Kalachakra Tantra. Our sweetheart Dalai Lama practices Kalachakara. I was sick to my stomach reading about ritualistic magic that involves sex. Hmm…..Blavatcky who prompted the idea that Lucifer is our god and the only god, revived her teachings in Tibet and India. She never revealed the secret teachings she received in Tibet. We have exoteric and esoteric teachings. I don’t want to quote the most disturbing parts. Too sick!

The tantric androgyny is supposed to actually partake of the lusts and joys of both sexes.
Grunwedel Kalacakara II p, 180

The woman is to be used as a ritual object and then cast aside. Women are merely spiritual batteries.

I wanted to know why they promote androgyny, pornography, and female whore archetype. It is more clear now. It is sickening even to read. :eek:

Great comment!
Thanks for reminding me.

That guy's name "Jesus" does not sound authentic to me.

To me he was the Christ of all, Crystal, unprogrammed he came and unprogrammed he left. That is why he stood out among the multiple reprogrammed beings.

All of you commenting here may at least watch the last 10 minutes of this video, when Bob Dean talks about the "prince of this world".

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/bob_dean_conversation/bob_dean_conversation2011.html

chris_dixon

27-04-2011, 11:02 AM

Ralf Ellis basically has the view that the character is built up from a number of characters and mythical stories...

I am also open prophets and wise teachers having lived throughout history...

But I think nowadays their stories and teachings are long lost... But there is always these kind of people who come about, and every time they are met with the same reaction...

When "Jesus" was supposed to have been around, what was he met with, Religious people stating he was dissing their god.... that he was claiming to be king of the Jews and was mocked for it... Jesus criticized the religious around him and how hypocritical they were...

And we see the exact same thing today.. Take Eckhart Tolle or something... or Even Icke... same old thing, only today its not so easy to just round a guy up and have him killed, which Im sure happened lots back then...

I think Tsarion hit the nail on the head when he said if you want to get more understanding of the bible, when it states a name of a person, see it more as a big group of people, a movement, or a race... so on...

Jesus for me is symbolic of many people throughout time... (as well as manufactured techniques of control put in there to help create order)

Yep I agree although Ralph Ellis does put his time line about 150 yrs later but as I have stated in one of my post to you as YHWHschild I don't think it really matters if he existed or not it was his teaching on the Kingdom of Heaven and the brotherhood of man that really mattered. It was never about him thats why he never left any writtings of his own(see how daft people get over his supposed shroud). Then his disciples came along and still not getting his message decided to make a religion out of him. Then that was just ripe for the roman church to come along and rewrite the stories into the Mythraic/Babylonian dark magic tradition. Which is not that hard because most of Judaism of that period was steeped in the Oral/Kabbalistic traditions that came from Egypt and Babylon anyway hence the Davidic Messiah figure instead of the Son of Man figure as he called himself. I think the Jews have worshipped every god under the sun at one time or another according to their own scriptures.
I think RE maybe right on the fact being that the OT being the timeline of the exiled Pharaohs of Tannis and this was infact their city of Jerusalem. All the time lines and names and places were altered to make them out to be the poor vagabond down trodden nation which they have been playing ever since. Especially if Henry Macow is right about the Jews organising the death camps with the Nazis to kill their "own" people inorder to get the state of Israel.

thirdwave

27-04-2011, 12:32 PM

Yep I agree although Ralph Ellis does put his time line about 150 yrs later but as I have stated in one of my post to you as YHWHschild I don't think it really matters if he existed or not it was his teaching on the Kingdom of Heaven and the brotherhood of man that really mattered. It was never about him thats why he never left any writtings of his own(see how daft people get over his supposed shroud). Then his disciples came along and still not getting his message decided to make a religion out of him. Then that was just ripe for the roman church to come along and rewrite the stories into the Mythraic/Babylonian dark magic tradition. Which is not that hard because most of Judaism of that period was steeped in the Oral/Kabbalistic traditions that came from Egypt and Babylon anyway hence the Davidic Messiah figure instead of the Son of Man figure as he called himself. I think the Jews have worshipped every god under the sun at one time or another according to their own scriptures.
I think RE maybe right on the fact being that the OT being the timeline of the exiled Pharaohs of Tannis and this was infact their city of Jerusalem. All the time lines and names and places were altered to make them out to be the poor vagabond down trodden nation which they have been playing ever since. Especially if Henry Macow is right about the Jews organising the death camps with the Nazis to kill their "own" people inorder to get the state of Israel.

While its all still very speculative, I agree that scenario is very likely.. if not his story, certainly others...

Today people still attack spiritual teachers... one of the worst things is money as often people with little money are unable to deliver any teachings to a large amount of people, Or they do make money and there for any knowledge they have is dismissed as a money making scam..

And if someone really does something to shake the boat, they are either murdered physically or by character assassination..

ftil

27-04-2011, 06:25 PM

Edelweiss wrote:

That guy's name "Jesus" does not sound authentic to me.

To me he was the Christ of all, Crystal, unprogrammed he came and unprogrammed he left. That is why he stood out among the multiple reprogrammed beings.

All of you commenting here may at least watch the last 10 minutes of this video, when Bob Dean talks about the "prince of this world".

http://projectcamelotproductions.com...ation2011.html

I agree that the name is not authentic. The more I explore our past, the more I see how catholic church hijacked this religion. I am readying about god Mithra and their religious rituals. They had 7 sacraments and baptism. :D

I agree that Christ was Christ of all. We may wonder why there is such a crusade against him. If he wasn’t real but just imaginary figure, why would they invest so much energy to fight against him. :confused: But I am pretty sure that they had to distort truth about him. In fact, my research has showed that they started to change the Scripture in 19 century. But I need to go far into the past.

Thanks for posting Bob Dean. But I actually call him Mr. Dob Bean. :D I was watching camlet more than 2 years ago. It was a first big eye opening when I started checking the background of “ whistle-blowers”. My head was spinning.

I had a good laughter when he said again about Galactic Confederation. I spent a considerable time to read many channeled materials. The message from channeled entities was in such contradiction that I have realized that those beings are so confused as human beings if not even more. :p We need to give them our psychiatry business. Oh, I would also give them all alcohol we have. They will be drunk and we will be free. Mr. Dob Bean also promotes the same knowledge about bright future like Drunvalo Melchizedek who said that he received his knowledge from Egyptian god Thoth. Hehehe……we have the abundance of gods. Galactic Federation of Lies?

“Prince of this world”...... Well, Blavatsky said that Lucifer is” a light bearers” :D

http://www.whale.to/c/lucife19.jpg

edelweiss

27-04-2011, 08:08 PM

Thanks, Ftil, for your evaluation.
I have to admit that I liked very much what Bob Dean was saying and how straight forward he reacted to the
weird woman.

Never liked thas channeling stuff but this man almost convinced me that he speaks the truth, at least his truth.

I will be even more critical about him in future.

But I liked what he was saying. Did sound good to me.

:)

ftil

27-04-2011, 08:21 PM

Edelweiss wrote:
Thanks, Ftil, for your evaluation.
I have to admit that I liked very much what Bob Dean was saying and how straight forward he reacted to the
weird woman.

Never liked thas channeling stuff but this man almost convinced me that he speaks the truth, at least his truth.

I will be even more critical about him in future.

But I liked what he was saying. Did sound good to me.

I hear you. I liked him too. He sounded so sincere, didn't he? Fortunately, there were people at Avalon who helped me to open my eyes as they they were far ahead of me in terms of doing research. I took from there and I did my own. Today, I can laugh. I have learned a hard way to first check a person's background and connections before I accept any belief. The lies and deceptions go deep. ;)

edelweiss

27-04-2011, 09:54 PM

Yes, he appears to be completely authentic and sencere.

Goethe vs. Bacon - opposite scientific methods -Eng. & Germ.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlR-jJHzu4o

On Ahriman, Lucifer, Jesus ....

ftil

27-04-2011, 11:20 PM

Yes, he appears to be completely authentic and sencere.

Goethe vs. Bacon - opposite scientific methods -Eng. & Germ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlR-jJHzu4o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlR-jJHzu4o

On Ahriman, Lucifer, Jesus ....

They look so sincere ad authentic, don't they? :D Thanks for the video. I will check it later.

http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pope-john-paul-ii-0201.jpg

edelweiss

28-04-2011, 10:18 AM

This guy NEVER looked sincere and authentic to me

:D

lawliet

28-04-2011, 05:25 PM

There is no god.

edelweiss

28-04-2011, 05:37 PM

There is no god.

Nietzsche: "God is dead"
God: "Nietzsche is dead"

One of the claims can definitely be proven to be right by extremely simple methods.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Nietzsche1861.jpg/368px-Nietzsche1861.jpg

Nietzsche, 1861

ftil

28-04-2011, 07:11 PM

Edelweiss wrote:

This guy NEVER looked sincere and authentic to me

I met him personally. He was a good as Dalai Lama. :D

Nietzsche: "God is dead"
God: "Nietzsche is dead"

Hey, we need some laughter.

OSHO: Strange Consequences

OSHO: Strange Consequences - YouTube

lawliet

28-04-2011, 07:14 PM

Nietzsche: "God is dead"
God: "Nietzsche is dead"

One of the claims can definitely be proven to be right by extremely simple methods.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Nietzsche1861.jpg/368px-Nietzsche1861.jpg

Nietzsche, 1861

We have evidence of what Nietzsche said. Do you have documented evidence that god said that about Nietzsche? No you don't. Absence of evidence is proof of absence.

Science and reason fucked religion and god. I spit on your religion and god, your god is powerless to do anything about it because he isn't real. You feel obligated to defend your god, which is more proof that he isn't real... oh the irony.

Fuck religion, hail science and reason. I hope that a holocaust of religion comes soon, just to set things right and rid humanity of our ill members.

edelweiss

28-04-2011, 07:26 PM

@ Ftil

:D Thanks for the OSHO video, haven't watched if for a long time.

@ lawliet

Fanatic materialists are by no means better than fanatic christians/muslims/jews .. and not much different from the latter.

Your god is materialism.
Materialsm is satanic.

We have evidence of what Nietzsche said. Do you have documented evidence that god said that about Nietzsche? No you don't. Absence of evidence is proof of absence.

Science and reason fucked religion and god. I spit on your religion and god, your god is powerless to do anything about it because he isn't real. You feel obligated to defend your god, which is more proof that he isn't real... oh the irony.

Fuck religion, hail science and reason. I hope that a holocaust of religion comes soon, just to set things right and rid humanity of our ill members.

lawliet

28-04-2011, 07:35 PM

@ Ftil

:D Thanks for the OSHO video, haven't watched if for a long time.

@ lawliet

Fanatic materialists are by no means better than fanatic christians/muslims/jews .. and not much different from the latter.

Your god is materialism.
Materialsm is satanic.

I am not materialistic, and materials and products are created by humans so they will never be able to be our god. You couldn't come up with any counter arguements for what I said so you change the subject, I read you like an open book.

Fuck satanism aswell, both versions. Fuck the version that thinks Satan is their god and they should be evil and defeat god and Fuck the la vey (some name like that right?) That talks about elitism and seperation and the dawn of the satanic world order.

sceptic666

28-04-2011, 07:40 PM

Physical reality is an illusion. We operate in this illusion, not knowing that is illusion. Therefore we fear death and pain - we are slaves to illusion.

The only way to end our slavery is to attain knowledge. This is a fundamental truth. Knowledge dissolves illusion like light dissolves darkness.

The Old Testament creation myth has been dissected so many times. I am now starting to realize one of the most startling theories.

This physical world and all within are illusion. The master of this reality and this dimension is NOT the holy creator or the all-is. This physical reality and dimension is another form of separation from God, another form of 'hell' and it is our destiny to escape it. We have been given instructions for this process of escape many times , from the Buddha, from Christ and possibly from Lucifer himself.

Is Lucifer a slandered character in history? Maybe so!

I believe true evil exists - and that the truest evil is illusion.

If the masters of this reality wanted to keep us in illusion, they would condemn and vilify anyone trying to break us free from illusion.

I believe Lucifer was not 'Satan' but was actually another savior entity, like Buddha and Christ.

Lucifer made the great mistake of giving Human beings 'knowledge'. Forbidden knowledge.

Now why on Earth would a benevolent creator God want to keep his children from knowledge? Because the Old Gods were not of the holy spirit . Just as this physical reality is not of the holy spirit . The 'Elohim' and this reality they have trapped us in are DENSE and of LOW VIBRATION - they have always and will always manipulate us to keep us in this same dense vibration. Any knowledge passed towards humanity which can free us from this reality prism is FORBIDDEN and is almost always perverted in the form of organized religion.

Lucifer was the first savior to humanity. He is now painted as the ultimate villain - 'You stay away from that BAD MAN! Stick to what you KNOW!' Said the Elohim.

I was born and raised Christian. To come to these conclusions is not necessarily 'easy' but many others have come to it before me and it makes perfect sense to me.

The Old Gods were not the true great spirit. They were our slave masters. They are still around. They ground us to this illusory reality and forbid us from attaining knowledge that can free us.

Lucifer was not the embodiment of evil. He was a servant of the Old Gods who grew what we call a 'conscience' and attempted to save us.

Lucifers payment from history is to be painted as the ultimate villain to humanity.

The Old Gods and the Old Testament are part of an effort to maintain a massive reality hoax.

Jesus, God, Lucifer - all fiction. People are just stupid enough to believe uch rubbish

edelweiss

28-04-2011, 07:42 PM

Jesus, God, Lucifer - all fiction. People are just stupid enough to believe uch rubbish

The NWO trained people to not believe in God and Satan.

They know why.

And you - newbie - know why you are spreading NWO propaganda.

:)

himitsunomiko

28-04-2011, 07:56 PM

The NWO trained people to not believe in God and Satan.Erm, not really dude. The whole satanic looking pop music bullshit, along with massive numbers of churches, pushing to teach creationism in schools, and ill treatment/propaganda about people of other faiths seems to me that they are very much so trying to keep people in the beleif of god and satan.

They know why. yes because they would like to keep people away from things that would open their mind, make them more healthy, or spiritually aware. The vilification of ancient practices only serves to keep us away from the way we are supposed to live.

And you - newbie - know why you are spreading NWO propaganda.That's a very accusing and uncalled for accusation. If this person were spreading NWO propaganda, they would be talking about microchips and fema camps, not calling a spade, a spade.

edelweiss

28-04-2011, 08:03 PM

Erm, not really dude. The whole satanic looking pop music bullshit, along with massive numbers of churches, pushing to teach creationism in schools, and ill treatment/propaganda about people of other faiths seems to me that they are very much so trying to keep people in the beleif of god and satan.

yes because they would like to keep people away from things that would open their mind, make them more healthy, or spiritually aware. The vilification of ancient practices only serves to keep us away from the way we are supposed to live.

That's a very accusing and uncalled for accusation. If this person were spreading NWO propaganda, they would be talking about microchips and fema camps, not calling a spade, a spade.

You can watch socks enter this forum daily in masses. You can see what they are doing, if your eyes are open. I am just a bit critical and sceptic if you don't mind.

I read a lot of your posts, too, and know what kind of news you are spreading.
Seems as if we differ a bit in oppinion

;)

lawliet

28-04-2011, 08:07 PM

You can watch socks enter this forum daily in masses. You can see what they are doing, if your eyes are open. I am just a bit critical and sceptic if you don't mind.

I read a lot of your posts, too, and know what kind of news you are spreading.
Seems as if we differ a bit in oppinion

;)

Critical and Sceptic? Beliefs in abrahamic religion?

Lmfao, good joke.

himitsunomiko

28-04-2011, 08:11 PM

You can watch socks enter this forum daily in masses. You can see what they are doing, if your eyes are open. I am just a bit critical and sceptic if you don't mind.I don't mind people being critical and skeptic, but when you accuse people of being something for simply not agreeing with what most people beleive, then that's not cool. Also, you have been here only for a short time, so I really don't think you have such a firm grasp on the traffic here as you boast of.

I read a lot of your posts, too, and know what kind of news you are spreading. Seems as if we differ a bit in oppinion Probably. Can't say I read many of your posts, I tend to just reply to what catches my eye.

lawliet

28-04-2011, 08:15 PM

I don't mind people being critical and skeptic, but when you accuse people of being something for simply not agreeing with what most people beleive, then that's not cool. Also, you have been here only for a short time, so I really don't think you have such a firm grasp on the traffic here as you boast of.

Probably. Can't say I read many of your posts, I tend to just reply to what catches my eye.

Are you Japanese?

himitsunomiko

28-04-2011, 08:16 PM

Are you Japanese?No, just a fan of their culture ^_^

lawliet

28-04-2011, 08:22 PM

No, just a fan of their culture ^_^

Yeah, I have respect for their culture aswell. They have a high atheist percentage and are quite succesfull as a country, Japan is nice.

himitsunomiko

28-04-2011, 08:32 PM

Yeah, I have respect for their culture aswell. They have a high atheist percentage and are quite succesfull as a country, Japan is nice.Sad some people say their lack of faith is why the disasters happened. That's bullshit, look at the tornadoes n shit in Bible Belt Texas :rolleyes:

edelweiss

28-04-2011, 08:57 PM

Critical and Sceptic? Beliefs in abrahamic religion?

Lmfao, good joke.

Disqualifies you as a serious discussion partner that you put words into my mouth which I never said.

lawliet

28-04-2011, 09:03 PM

Disqualifies you as a serious discussion partner that you put words into my mouth which I never said.

Weren't you spreading and promoting christian ideologies in a thread about Jesus?

himitsunomiko

28-04-2011, 09:04 PM

Disqualifies you as a serious discussion partner that you put words into my mouth which I never said.

You can watch socks enter this forum daily in masses. You can see what they are doing, if your eyes are open. I am just a bit critical and sceptic if you don't mind.:rolleyes:

lawliet

28-04-2011, 09:06 PM

Sad some people say their lack of faith is why the disasters happened. That's bullshit, look at the tornadoes n shit in Bible Belt Texas :rolleyes:

Natural disasters are not caused by gods wrath or lack of faith, people who say that get laughed at by intelligent people, freaking idiots. Science explains Natural disasters pretty clearly.

edelweiss

28-04-2011, 09:09 PM

Weren't you spreading and promoting christian ideologies in a thread about Jesus?

No.

I had a look on older posts of you.
You seem to have changed tremendously. Some people never change, others change completely and appear to be totally different personalities after some time.

No, losifer was not trying to save humanity, on the contrary, to return to the topic of this thread.
My proof is my perception of those who adore losifer.

ftil

28-04-2011, 09:36 PM

I had good laughter reading some posts. We will not move any further if we have a childish mentality, wanting to be saved. People can have endless discussion who wanted or wants to save us. We have a new version ……ET’s will come to save us. :D People fight against one religion or another. Luciferian ideology is another religion. Nice distraction. :rolleyes: The biggest dilemma in the world…….. does Lucifer want to save us? So, some enlightened people replace one religion with another one. But truth needs to be hidden. :D

lawliet

28-04-2011, 09:39 PM

No.

I had a look on older posts of you.
You seem to have changed tremendously. Some people never change, others change completely and appear to be totally different personalities after some time.

No, losifer was not trying to save humanity, on the contrary, to return to the topic of this thread.
My proof is my perception of those who adore losifer.

Every human changes, change is needed in order to progress and grow. Some changes are good, some are bad. My views have changed, in the past I was proIsrael but as time go's by you realize that both parties are guilty, the Palestinians and Israelis. The root cause of this war is Abrahamic Religions.

lawliet

28-04-2011, 09:42 PM

edelweiss

28-04-2011, 09:42 PM

Every human changes, change is needed in order to progress and grow. Some changes are good, some are bad. My views have changed, in the past I was proIsrael but as time go's by you realize that both parties are guilty, the Palestinians and Israelis. The root cause of this war is Abrahamic Religions.

Your previous comments which I refer to would be called "NAZI" by the notorious mainstream protagonists on this forum.

So your excuse/explanation is totally amiss.

lawliet

28-04-2011, 09:48 PM

Your previous comments which I refer to would be called "NAZI" by the notorious mainstream protagonists on this forum.

So your excuse/explanation is totally amiss.

What comments?

When it comes to Nazi Germany i think that they had allot of good ideas.

white zombie

28-04-2011, 09:52 PM

Was Lucifer Trying to Save Humanity? Yes.

No.

Unless your idea of saved is a planet full of pedos.

ftil

28-04-2011, 09:52 PM

Lawliet wrote:

I agree, this saviour mentality has to go. Humans need to trust science and their own abilities, everything we take for granted was created by humans and science.

I agree. Savior mentality has to go. People need to trust their abilities and seek and search for truth. I disagree that people need to trust science. There are so many lies and deceptions and many scientists don’t have integrity at all. You can’t be blind not to see it. We have to start using our brains. We got minds for a reason. :D

lawliet

28-04-2011, 10:29 PM

I agree. Savior mentality has to go. People need to trust their abilities and seek and search for truth. I disagree that people need to trust science. There are so many lies and deceptions and many scientists don’t have integrity at all. You can’t be blind not to see it. We have to start using our brains. We got minds for a reason. :D

There are no lies in science and its rules and laws. Gravity is absolut. Force is absolut. These are real and can be proven and dependet on. If there is something that is wrong, it will get crushed and replaced by the correct version which can be tested. Science = Truth.

Your house, pc, bed etc are all made by humans using science and scientific knowledge.

edelweiss

28-04-2011, 10:32 PM

There are no lies in science and its rules and laws. Gravity is absolut. Force is absolut. These are real and can be proven and dependet on. If there is something that is wrong, it will get crushed and replaced by the correct version which can be tested. Science = Truth.

Your house, pc, bed etc are all made by humans using science and scientific knowledge.

:D :D :D

Did you ever hear of Schauberger for example?
I guess you didn't.

Could go on for pages mentioning only names but you have to do your own research as everybody has to who is interested in the truth.
After reading your posts I know you are not.

ftil

28-04-2011, 10:36 PM

lawliet wrote:
There are no lies in science and its rules and laws. Gravity is absolut. Force is absolut. These are real and can be proven and dependet on. If there is something that is wrong, it will get crushed and replaced by the correct version which can be tested. Science = Truth.

You must be kidding. :D Yes, there are rules an laws that mean nothing if many scientists don't have integrity. You may choose to be blind. ;)

lawliet

28-04-2011, 11:58 PM

Go live in caves you idiots, science is bad right???? Pathetic!

Long live science and Reason! Death to religion and uneducated people!

ftil

29-04-2011, 12:58 AM

lawliet wrote:

go live in caves you idiots, science is bad right???? Pathetic!

LOL! Very eloquent and intelligent response.:D I guess you can accept any lie that is nicely wrapped in scientific terminology....... Don't forget that if we don't use our brains ...we loose it.:rolleyes:

lawliet

29-04-2011, 09:55 AM

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LOL! Very eloquent and intelligent response.:D I guess you can accept any lie that is nicely wrapped in scientific terminology....... Don't forget that if we don't use our brains ...we loose it.:rolleyes:

Seriously i cba with idiots who didn't finish their schools, go blame cosmic beings lmfao.

Humanity kicks ass when equipped with Science and Reason, Fuck all religions and stupid people who can't get into university!

slaying the illuminati

29-04-2011, 12:43 PM

some one is on a crack trip in here

logos880

29-04-2011, 02:43 PM

Go live in caves you idiots, science is bad right???? Pathetic!

Long live science and Reason! Death to religion and uneducated people!

Remember that time science gave humanity nukes?? :rolleyes:

thirdwave

29-04-2011, 02:52 PM

No.

Unless your idea of saved is a planet full of pedos.

It would be very interesting to hear you explain what Lucifer has to do with pedophilia!... lol

I would day a good few catholic priests would have a problem with that! :)

thirdwave

29-04-2011, 02:55 PM

Humanity kicks ass when equipped with Science and Reason, Fuck all religions and stupid people who can't get into university!

I was just about to clap untill the highlighted section came about.. You think Universities are for education? lol

many people who cant get into Uni, simply have the problem of not being able to turn their brains off, unlike many Doctors and Scientists...

The good ones are the ones that scrap the Uni book and learn for them selves..

edelweiss

29-04-2011, 02:56 PM

thirdwave

29-04-2011, 03:06 PM

But only those who deny both:

- that the Vatican was consecrated to satan ("SynSat")
- that practising pedophilia is a crime AND a sin

:)

The Vatican is the same source that saw to it that you read the bible... and now you claim those hands are Satan!.. interesting.

Also Satan is not Lucifer, you seem to get stuck in the mud with that.

And practicing pedophilia is not directly opposed in the bible, and infact even some very odd texts in the OT, here is one..

Numbers 31: 1 -18
"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

And the New Testament has done very little to oppose such actions.. If it was me I would have underlined that one.

And also, the priest does not need to except its not a sin, they just need to ask for forgiveness... Its just there faith in Christ has not done the trick.

I guess he he practiced this mysterious version, the one before the biblical texts we all read, he would have been safe in Christs hands!... thats hopping there were some other texts people used.

Its all Lucifers fault, Christ is just not very good at getting his message across... poor chap. :rolleyes:

white zombie

29-04-2011, 04:17 PM

It would be very interesting to hear you explain what Lucifer has to do with pedophilia!... lol

I would day a good few catholic priests would have a problem with that! :)

But only those who deny both:

- that the Vatican was consecrated to satan ("SynSat")
- that practising pedophilia is a crime AND a sin

:)

What edelweiss said ^

The satan thats adored as saviour in this thread is the same one that brings you pedophilia and Fox news.

Be careful who you serve.

christ4life

30-04-2011, 07:29 AM

Many cultures have serpent or dragon people passing on knowledge to mankind . I think its only greek and christain society's who slag off the serpent . wether correct or not .
One meditation i had in 1995 which always stays with me was a vision of the virgin mary who said to me behold my son whom i love and then i saw the face of christ which turned into an atomic explosion . I also had my eyes open at the time . :D

Open to what? How do you get a good feeling from this seeing Christ head blown up? This tells me what the entity behind this thinks of him they want to blow him up. This oviously came from a demon, or Lucifer.

christ4life

30-04-2011, 07:58 AM

Do you think Sanat Kumara and Lucifer are the same being?

Sanat-Satan

Lucifer was his name before his fall from heaven.

christ4life

30-04-2011, 08:14 AM

Do you honestly know who these gods are? It is satan, and his demonic minions who themselves say that you to can be gods just so that you will worship them. They want to be God, and by tempting Eve with the knowledge of good, and evil. They can now try to get you to worship them. That was the whole plan to destroy what God intended here. God having patience, mercy, and forgiveness gave Jesus Christ so we could be saved from the sin we do from this knowledge. When you don't believe in God you have already chosen to follow them wether you are aware of this or not. They are the same beings just different names in other cultures they have been playing humanity for fools for years, and people still fall for it. People rely on their own understanding rather than turn to God for understanding but it takes patience, faith, and many people can't wait so they sell themselves out.

christ4life

30-04-2011, 08:21 AM

This is a excellent thread.

I have experienced the lucifer/jesus thing myself when on psychedellics. I too felt as though I were in a place where I should not be. I spoke with a strange being that showed me the nature of the universe and told me that there are no differences between the beings we call Jesus and Lucifer. I know for a fact that i was not dreaming because I was told to keep my eyes open at all times and when I tried to close them I was confronted with horrible/mediocre television images. It was a beautiful experience and opened my eyes to the prison that humanity is unaware exists.

Be careful being high, and also drunk makes you vulnerable to an outside influence. These beings can manipulate you, or even enter your body when your not in control of it. The information you recieved is not truth. We are told to test the spirits to see if they are good.

thirdwave

30-04-2011, 09:08 AM

What edelweiss said ^

The satan thats adored as saviour in this thread is the same one that brings you pedophilia and Fox news.

Be careful who you serve.

But you were addressing the question about Lucifer, not Satan...

Satan and Lucifer are not the same things. Not by Origin, or anything.. Its quite staggering people cant get that.

The only reason they are likened, for the same reason some think Horus or Ra are Satan... or Pan... so on.... because they are not thought of as teaching the Christian doctrine and are there for Anti Christ...

But if we are talking from a pure educational point of view there are different things.

Also Satan is one of Gods workers.

Lucifer is basically another word to depicted a perceived powerful enlightening person. hence why Jesus him self was depicted as Lucifer.. as was The King of Babylon.

edelweiss

30-04-2011, 09:12 AM

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059869845&postcount=406

Refers to this topic.

thirdwave

30-04-2011, 09:13 AM

Sanat-Satan

Lucifer was his name before his fall from heaven.

What hog wash.... clearly in the book of Job, "Satan" is described as being a worker for God, who's job was to test humanity in order for them to prove worth of Gods love... Satan was at that time in heaven asking God to test Job as he felt God was offering his love to him too easily.

If his name was Lucifer after he was supposedly booted out, then why was his name called Satan during this time in heaven?

chris_dixon

30-04-2011, 12:46 PM

While its all still very speculative, I agree that scenario is very likely.. if not his story, certainly others...

Today people still attack spiritual teachers... one of the worst things is money as often people with little money are unable to deliver any teachings to a large amount of people, Or they do make money and there for any knowledge they have is dismissed as a money making scam..

And if someone really does something to shake the boat, they are either murdered physically or by character assassination..

Yep totally agree I find it refreshing that you have at least an open mind and use ctitical thinking which a lot lack on this forum especially my brothers and sisters in chtistianity sadly. I mean this arguement over Lucifer and who he or what he is is pathetic really and is just causes the same divisions between brothers and sisters that are supposed to be seeking for truth and unity against the PTB - yeah right, a bunch of immature children more likely as I see this type of behaviour with the 3 - 5yr olds I look after.
None of it matters in my opinion as I believe it is just a retelling of the stories of the old gods (Elohim - the sons of God). These are are the gods that feature in all the ancient religions including Judaism and Christianity. The same stories are told over again about the fight between the gods over their creation - us. One wanted us to grow and receive knowledge the other wanted to keep us as slaves and ignorant. That god is still incharge through the PTB that want us as dumb cattle for their use. The story origionated in the epic of Gilgamesh to Sumer with Enil and Enki and so on... The names may change the stories may vary but the symbolism doesn't. Its all about dualism with these gods as they feed off the energy produced by these religions that they created.
The real creator the one Yeshua called his father is not dual IT is One the perfect balance, the absolute centre and absolute oneness (I hope what I am trying to convey makes some sense). Most of the Bible is based on these same religions of the old gods and have nothing to do with the real teachings of who we are or what we are and certainly do not teach the real message of Yeshua. They are designed to enslave us not free us into the real oneness that we can have with the creator. The kingdom of heaven is within us as Yeshua says and so do the real great sages.

I think Jay Weidners vid Infinity: The Ultimate Trip - Journey Beyond Death http://freeviewdocumentaries.com/2011/04/25/infinity-the-ultimate-trip-journey-beyond-death/
sort of sums up what I am getting at that we need to stop arguing over these crappy religions of the so called gods and grow up spiritually and start acting like adults. (Not directed at you mate:))

white zombie

30-04-2011, 05:38 PM

But you were addressing the question about Lucifer, not Satan...

Satan and Lucifer are not the same things.

In your opinion. They are not the same thing IN YOUR OPINION. :rolleyes:

My point remains. Addressing Satan/Lucifer as the saviour of this world or the bringer of light is acknowledging that sin is good, which includes the worst sins such as pedophilia.

Feel free to argue that satan is not lucifer, but it will still be missing my point.

lawliet

30-04-2011, 05:53 PM

There is no satan, there is no lucifer. Fairy tales are getting annoying. :cool:

thirdwave

30-04-2011, 07:15 PM

In your opinion. They are not the same thing IN YOUR OPINION. :rolleyes:

Ahhh but thats just it, you see, if we are to go by what the words mean and where they originated from, then it is a Fact that they are not the same thing.

There for I am not going by my opinion but simple research.

If you choose for some reason or another to just stick them together as the same thing, then that would be your choice, but it would be a bit silly to not expect people to point out the lack of evidence that they are the same thing..

Lucifer means the morning star... both Jesus and others have been depicted as the morning star, as well a Ra was...

Satan, can also be depicted as the morning star, there for you can if you like referee to Satan as Lucifer, but it would mean that you would be describing him as the enlightening one, or the powerful one ... so on...

My point remains. Addressing Satan/Lucifer as the saviour of this world or the bringer of light is acknowledging that sin is good, which includes the worst sins such as pedophilia. We are all free to have what ever points we like, but its best to make them more effective by actually having valid information and facts to back it up for others to see...

Nither Lucifer or Satan are at all affiliated with pedophilia, your explanation is that some rumod to be "Satanist" are also suspected as being pedophiles .. you are free to have that assumption... But to talk about it as if its factual is complete rubbish..

This is what is wrong with many religious people, they do not talk with facts, just faith and preferred speculation... if more of them where simply better researched and open minded then religion in its self would not be scoffed at so much and would be viewed with a different slant...

The main documentation we have on Satan is from the Old T... and in that Satan is in us all, and is always testing us FOR god... it does not say anything about him shagging children or making people shag children...

Do you have some texts that say otherwise?... im just interested to see some of your research?.. or if you have just seen some websites on google that talk about some banker who done a horn sign and was accused of raping a young child but got away with it, so there for you have come to the conclusion you have... or am I wrong?

Feel free to argue that satan is not lucifer, but it will still be missing my point. unless it is underlined that they are NOT the same thing, then your point is just very loaded and misleading... which is actually a bit more like the behavior of Satan on the book of Job :)

white zombie

30-04-2011, 09:05 PM

Ahhh but thats just it, you see, if we are to go by what the words mean and where they originated from, then it is a Fact that they are not the same thing.

There for I am not going by my opinion but simple research.

Plays on word do not enlighten me. Lucifer became Satan, and the fallen angels became Demons. < See what happened there

If you choose for some reason or another to just stick them together as the same thing, then that would be your choice, but it would be a bit silly to not expect people to point out the lack of evidence that they are the same thing..

Lucifer means the morning star...

The correct translation is 'light bearer', used for Venus the morning star by the romans (latin). I think thats where people get confused. So Jesus too can refer to himself as the light bearer.

We are all free to have what ever points we like, but its best to make them more effective by actually having valid information and facts to back it up for others to see...

Below you state the internet is not a valid source by rejecting sources before even knowing them. Therefore all your research that can be produced here is invalid.

Nither Lucifer or Satan are at all affiliated with pedophilia, your explanation is that some rumod to be "Satanist" are also suspected as being pedophiles .. you are free to have that assumption... But to talk about it as if its factual is complete rubbish..

Neither Lucifer or Satan are at all affiliated with pedophilia? :eek: I would have thought evil is their forté, in fact I still do. The list of evil is long and stomach churning, - thats just one.

This is what is wrong with many religious people, they do not talk with facts, just faith and preferred speculation... if more of them where simply better researched and open minded then religion in its self would not be scoffed at so much and would be viewed with a different slant...

More speculation on subjects you know nothing about, namely - me.

The main documentation we have on Satan is from the Old T... and in that Satan is in us all, and is always testing us FOR god... it does not say anything about him shagging children or making people shag children...

Show me where he opposes evil rather than being the father of it all.

Do you have some texts that say otherwise?... im just interested to see some of your research?.. or if you have just seen some websites on google that talk about some banker who done a horn sign and was accused of raping a young child but got away with it, so there for you have come to the conclusion you have... or am I wrong?

Like I said above, you look for research on the internet, but reject beforehand those who do not meet your criteria. All sources used on either side would have to be authenticated by both of us. Since we are not scholars on every subject we can verify little, let alone agree on it when produced.

I'm afraid your standards have cut your own throat in an attempt to cut mine. In other words, it would be long and pointless.

unless it is underlined that they are NOT the same thing, then your point is just very loaded and misleading... which is actually a bit more like the behavior of Satan on the book of Job :)

My points are loaded. Thats the point. :p

приятные дебаты

precious thing

30-04-2011, 09:32 PM

whoa whoa whoa ... what's all this about???!!! you guys are getting it twisted!!! extremely twisted that is. The fact the we have been awakened to to some degree, and that we have a better understanding of how the world is run and that we are PURE consciousness DOES NOT CHANGE the basics. What basics??? there is evil and goodness. Let me explain ... regardless if you are muslim, christian, jew, agnostic, atheist I DONT CARE, we are all here cause we understand that the human race is in a state of enslavement. Who is enslaving us??? the inter-dimensional beings through a certain blood line. Those same inter-dimensional beings, DO NOT have our best interest, in fact the only interest they have it's THEIR OWN. They are the famous demons, sheitans, devils, djinns that the religions of the world talk about. Dont get it twisted saying that Satan brought knowledge for our own good and our own awakening to consciousness, it is because of hiim that humanity is in that state of enslavement. David said it himself they are MALEVOLENT, merciless, cold beings. Whatever knowledge they might have brought to humanity is only for their own benefit ... but notice how the IMPORTANT, biggest truth they protect and keep from us. That is evil. Same thing goes for all those Hitler supporters and fans that I've encountered in this forum. Being pro nazi or admiring Hitler's actions goes against what brought us to this forum in the first place ... we are PURE CONSCIOUSNESS, it is like George Carlin said "War for peace is just as screwing for virginity". No way guys!!! c'mon!!!

edelweiss

30-04-2011, 09:35 PM

precious thing

30-04-2011, 09:36 PM

There is no satan, there is no lucifer. Fairy tales are getting annoying. :cool:

Do you believe that we are being programmed and used by the reptilians??? cause if you do, then you would be contradicting yourself.

edelweiss

30-04-2011, 09:38 PM

But you are still a tiny wee bit clinging to the matrix aka Tavistock line when it comes to Germany and the Germans.

;)

precious thing

30-04-2011, 09:39 PM

OMG - what an assett you are to this forum!

I send you a warm welcome.

:)

well, what i have been reading in this thread is just worrying ... all those who we call puppets that actually are building this NWO have those same beliefs at heart!!! it is called Luciferianism ... they say Satan was just misunderstood and if it werent for him we wouldnt have knowledge ... thats a bunch of bull crap.

Thank you for your welcome :)

precious thing

30-04-2011, 09:41 PM

But you are still a tiny wee bit clinging to the matrix aka Tavistock line when it comes to Germany and the Germans.

;)

in what sense am I still clinging?

edelweiss

30-04-2011, 09:41 PM

well, what i have been reading in this thread is just worrying ... all those who we call puppets that actually are building this NWO have those same beliefs at heart!!! it is called Luciferianism ... they say Satan was just misunderstood and if it werent for him we wouldnt have knowledge ... thats a bunch of bull crap.

Word!

:)

edelweiss

30-04-2011, 09:43 PM

in what sense am I still clinging?

Clinging - in the basic sense of the term.

You cling to the mainstream when it comes to Germany and the Germans.
You still believe in the lies of the prince of this planet, although you are able to see through the rest of the matrix.

:)

thelucifer

30-04-2011, 09:47 PM

There is no satan, there is no lucifer. Fairy tales are getting annoying. :cool:

How about the real deal. :cool:

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee60/thelucifer_rp/img1E.jpg

Fairy tales are a bore.

thirdwave

30-04-2011, 11:59 PM

Lucifer became Satan, and the fallen angels became Demons. < See what happened there Totally, you are adamant that Lucifer became Satan even though the is a far more facts and info that states otherwise, But we are all free to conclude what we like, but if they are just fabrication they will not always be the most respected.

Fallen Angels did not become Demons.. Demon simply meant spirit.. where Angel meant messenger, again two completely diffident things.

The Christian doctrine then made Demons into Dirty Spirits..

Your religion has simply brainwashed you to the point you do not even research things, you just have a blind faith in what your religion teaches, in fact not even what your religion teaches, but what people who have supported and upheld your religion have taught.

The correct translation is 'light bearer', used for Venus the morning star by the romans (latin). I think thats where people get confused. So Jesus too can refer to himself as the light bearer. *claps" well done... and what does bearer mean? :rolleyes:

Well you seem to be on the right track!... So then I trust you can understand that a description for Venus, or maybe the sun as Venus was only relevant as it was the last star seen before the sun... Is not the same thing as an Angel called Satan whom Christians claim fell out with God and was booted out of Heaven...?

Feel free to go on and explain and provide me with this intriguing info!

Below you state the internet is not a valid source by rejecting sources before even knowing them. Therefore all your research that can be produced here is invalid. "Thou Shall not bare false witness" ...tut.tut.tut.... I have not states anything of the sort, I think the internet is a fantastic source for research. I stated that you do not appear to have really done any valid research.

It is often the case people just look for websites that push ideas they support but not using anything of any substance.

Of course I am not only referring to mainstream info as this is more often than not unreliable.. Why dont you go ahead and post me some of your research sources and maybe we will see what Im getting at.

Neither Lucifer or Satan are at all affiliated with pedophilia? :eek: I would have thought evil is their forté, in fact I still do. The list of evil is long and stomach churning, - thats just one. LOL!!!!!

Ok so your point of view is, they are "evil" and pedophilia is evil, there for they are responsible for pedophilia! Right!... ok! Im with you now... :rolleyes:

First of all Satan is only regarded evil by Christians... when apart from that doctrine he was not really evil as such, but was there to test us, FOR God.

And in those very texts, he was actually working for a God who had a hunger for blood sacrifice and death... to pay for sin.

So there was nothing more morally righteous that God had over Satan really... Then we get this updated book that goes on about a guy called Jesus, and then apparently Satan was booted out of Heaven his name was called Lucifer and he was pissed off with God...

thats pretty much all we know, and of course we are all meant to trust and eat every word this so called "God" says.

As for Lucifer being evil (the real meaning) Venus and the sun are planets, and in fact the sun is pretty handy. I dont see how a light barer is so evil.

Unless of course a doctrine is trying to prevent people from being really en lightened, but more submissive to a force controlled by others.

More speculation on subjects you know nothing about, namely - me.
I am not claiming to know you, I am discussing these points and your willingness to ignore facts and to simply put a slant on into that your religion requires you to, this is why you have offered no facts, just claims... are you ever going to table some info which underlines that Lucifer was Satan after he fell out with God?... and why he turned from a planet to an Angel?

Show me where he opposes evil rather than being the father of it all. Show me where he supports it?, innocent until proven guilty?, or does than not work for you...

His job was to make sure Humans proved there worth before going to Heaven and gaining Gods love... If he was some God of Evil, then why would he want to make sure people were worthy of Heaven?...

Would he not want to let cheating, unworthy bigots in heaven running around???

Satan did not have a very pleasant Job, I would agree with that, and in order for him to have a job evil had to exist. But this does not mean he was the creator of it, just the prosecutor.

Like I said above, you look for research on the internet, but reject beforehand those who do not meet your criteria. So are you going to tease us with it all day long?? :rolleyes:

I have rejected what you seem to keep in your pocket and I continue to do so going by you completely lack of understanding on what these things really mean. And as I have said its because most religious people are not educated about the true meaning of much of this stuff and just follow a required mind set, which makes them feel secure.

My points are loaded. Thats the point. :p

приятные дебаты But not making any sense, which makes it a bit blunt! :)

white zombie

01-05-2011, 01:09 AM

As for Lucifer being evil (the real meaning) Venus and the sun are planets, and in fact the sun is pretty handy. I dont see how a light barer is so evil.

Unless of course a doctrine is trying to prevent people from being really en lightened, but more submissive to a force controlled by others.

Light. Illuminate. Illuminati. All depends what you get enlightened with.

and why he turned from a planet to an Angel?

Satan isnt a planet. Refer to King James translation from latin to English(again)

His job was to make sure Humans proved there worth before going to Heaven and gaining Gods love... If he was some God of Evil, then why would he want to make sure people were worthy of Heaven?...

Would he not want to let cheating, unworthy bigots in heaven running around???

No one is worthy of heaven because 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' (Romans 3:23) I believe that was the purpose behind the death of Jesus, to atone for those who wished to trust and turn from evil.

Satan tempts and demons possess people according to the bible. Thats hardly helping them to get to heaven, is it? Hardly proving their worth when all are known to be unworthy anyway.

Satan did not have a very pleasant Job, I would agree with that, and in order for him to have a job evil had to exist. But this does not mean he was the creator of it, just the prosecutor.

Satan as prosecutor? From what I've read in scripture God is the judge jury and executioner.

thirdwave

01-05-2011, 02:31 AM

Light. Illuminate. Illuminati. All depends what you get enlightened with.
of course...

Satan isnt a planet. Refer to King James translation from latin to English(again) lol, exactly... Lucifer does depict a planet.. Venus. :rolleyes:

No one is worthy of heaven because 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' (Romans 3:23) I believe that was the purpose behind the death of Jesus, to atone for those who wished to trust and turn from evil. Well thanks for posting yet another blatant biblic contradiction...

But still, thats not Satan's fault, it was still his job to seek such people, As was Gods will.

Satan tempts and demons possess people according to the bible. Eerrrrr, the word Demon exsisted before the bible :rolleyes:

As I have already stated your education does not stretch any further than the bible, so its there for limited.

Thats hardly helping them to get to heaven, is it? Hardly proving their worth when all are known to be unworthy anyway. Tempting does not mean your creating... Your logic is ridiculous..

Are you saying that if there was a pedo and he was never faced with a child, then he is cool to go to heaven, but if Satan surrounded him with kids and he raped one and went to hell, this was Satans Evil?... of course you are!

If you are on a diet and I put infront of you a cream cake... because my job is to test if you are good or bad, then if you eat the cake, I have not created evil, I have exposed it...

But thats just a typicle thing with most religions.. they are not evil, it is "satan" or some other bogi man who is and they have just not submitted to god enough to be saved from him... :rolleyes:

Satan as prosecutor? From what I've read in scripture God is the judge jury and executioner. Go and read again... Satan was Gods servant, and in fact advised God to allow him to test Job further... Satan "The accuser" ...

Only your research will lead you to the view that a word that Means "The accuser" ... for an Angel that worked for god.... is the same as a word called "Light Barer" which depicted the Planet Venus, which was known as the morning star, which was the last star to fade before the sun.

Of course the fact Jesus was depicted as the bright morning star is just a mis up of words... :rolleyes:

precious thing

01-05-2011, 02:43 AM

ok ladies ladies you're both pretty ... if we are talking about satan here, he seeks to enslave us, bring us down, confuse us and finally own us. If indeed all of us are pure consciousness at core, then that means we can't be born or created evil. If someone is a pedophile or a murderer is because of the way he was programmed as he grew up. Of course it was not his job to bring people down he was not created to do such thing, that was a consequence of his actions and decisions and THATS why it is now his sole purpose to prove how guilty we are. You all spend too much time talking about satan instead of trying to figure out something good, focus on the goodness and how to spread it.

thirdwave

01-05-2011, 10:23 AM

ok ladies ladies you're both pretty .. *Blushes*

if we are talking about satan here, he seeks to enslave us, bring us down, confuse us and finally own us. If indeed all of us are pure consciousness at core, then that means we can't be born or created evil. If someone is a pedophile or a murderer is because of the way he was programmed as he grew up. Of course it was not his job to bring people down he was not created to do such thing, that was a consequence of his actions and decisions and THATS why it is now his sole purpose to prove how guilty we are. You all spend too much time talking about satan instead of trying to figure out something good, focus on the goodness and how to spread it. But your the fairest of them all right ? :)

Of course, we absorb whats around us and become a person as we live in this world..

Satan is a reflection of all of us.

What is also relevant.. When Even eat the fruit she was then able to see as a God and see good and evil.

though Satan did not create the fruit... nor good or evil..

white zombie

01-05-2011, 10:41 AM

though Satan did not create the fruit... nor good or evil..

Enough warped bickering for one thread I say. I'll leave you with this thought.

Evil is not material substance that is created, it is a choice to go against God. The fruit represents the ability to make the choice.

There is no human that hasnt chosen to go against God.
The cross of the Christ allows those who want to be reconciled with God to do so. To those who still wish to serve satan, that is their choice, their fruit to pick - but they do not serve good. God alone is good.

edelweiss

01-05-2011, 10:41 AM

Satan is a reflection of all of us.

Would you please kindly refrain from speaking in my name?

Thanks.

:)

The same goes for you.

There is no human that hasnt chosen to go against God.

jconnar

01-05-2011, 04:11 PM

In occult circles I thought Satan was associated with Saturn (Cronus)?

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/1/c/4/3/12947755291478623713cronus-md.png

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/images/inset-saturn-rings-large.jpg

http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/sao/astronomynews/2007S1/SaturnShadow.jpg

My avatar is actually of Uranus lol

thirdwave

02-05-2011, 05:43 PM

Enough warped bickering for one thread I say. I'll leave you with this thought.

Evil is not material substance that is created, it is a choice to go against God. The fruit represents the ability to make the choice.

There is no human that hasnt chosen to go against God.
The cross of the Christ allows those who want to be reconciled with God to do so. To those who still wish to serve satan, that is their choice, their fruit to pick - but they do not serve good. God alone is good.

This just the way you want to view it, I am talking about the things we have to go by regarding these titles... the scripture.

You have however admitted that evil comes from within us, (when we supposedly, choose not to go with God) as opposed to an infliction by "Satan"..

For me its still hogwash as I am not in the least bit evil and have never and have no intention of following your god.

thirdwave

02-05-2011, 05:45 PM

Would you please kindly refrain from speaking in my name?

Thanks.

:)

Pay attention :)

I am not speaking in your name and have no interest in doing so. I am referring to what the image of Satan is meant to be.... not what I think you are :rolleyes:

sephera

02-05-2011, 07:17 PM

thirdwave

03-05-2011, 01:19 PM

Getting sick of them who's who's. I just want Lucifer, the Architect, God, Satan, or whomever to all show their faces and intentions and tell us what the hell they want from us, rather than continue to pursue different agendas at the cost of humanity and the suffering of our species. :mad::mad:

We are like little tokens, and pawns in their galactic game. :mad:

Why wait for Lucifer or Satan to show up?, they have never said a word to us...

They have made no threats or promises... this is all by "God" ...

So maybe we need to wait for "God" to show up to give us an updated run down on everything...

oiram

10-05-2011, 07:22 PM

I was just about to clap untill the highlighted section came about.. You think Universities are for education? lol

many people who cant get into Uni, simply have the problem of not being able to turn their brains off, unlike many Doctors and Scientists...

The good ones are the ones that scrap the Uni book and learn for them selves..
Now this statement regarding the so called higher education is what I have been saying all my life.

Well about all this fighting about Satan, Lucifer & the God/image; I would wish all could make there final decision soon!

All Words from day one are created by Man & many have manipulated the meanings over thousands of years to meet there own ends.

It's all us in the past & in the now "Today this second".

I made it easy for my self.

Satan, Devil, Lucifer, Serpent & all the other weirdos & Words created over time = negative, Evil, inhuman, anti Christ like; in general in HUMAN terms ..... Yes/No?

God, God/image, Christ, the so called Jesus, Spiritual, from your inner Soul/voice & coming from your hard etc. = Positive, pro Human, pro logic general in HUMAN terms...... Yes/No?

So I cut it down more to this....

Negative simple flash & blood Man = Animal like & below Animal like... = Ass holes of the World, anti Human
or
Positive true Human = Just a simple logical comm & sense Human, the natural spirit drives your entire Body, the desire, the divine love towards all Humans.... (Yes all Women are included in the true Human part option)

Which one do or did you all pick? ...... It was the issue thousands of years ago & it's still the same option now & your free choice.

I had my pick long time ago & I say death to all Animals hiding in Soulless Human Bodies!

My problem is solved for ever until I kick the bucket.

Note: You shell not Kill even only one Human; but what does it clearly says about the Animal & Human status. Also what is dead can not be killed anyway.

My big foot in it again.....
I know, I know I did not like the so called higher education :p:p & all there enlightenment given by there serpents & servants of anti Human knowledge.

So when I stepped in the Garden long time ago I told the serpent stick it & to go back into his hole & back to his own kind >>the living dead.

Because I like to be alive even if I only end up being the only one on earth!

A bit like the so called Jesus was at the time the only one!

A bit like the so called God/image is the only one!

Well Evil loves duality & he or it loves to name his tools by a minimum of two Words but even better by a million Words to keep this job a bit longer until the button will be pushed.....

Wake up time was yesterday & is now this second..... for every individual.

Here are some tips in the now to not get lost so much in the past
because the time is running out fast!
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/corruption.gif
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/Forum/Pyramed.gifhttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/injustice.gifhttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/dontvote.jpg

My Personal notes:
Perfect again ..... I'm still in touch with whatever it is!.... To many times to just be coincidental.
Are my actions connected, related or synchronized with Symbolic number meanings?
My Posting No. 3435 = 15 .... what does it say Symbolically?
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu15.php
Properties of the number 15

Symbolism
Represent the perfect three-dimensional expression - 3 X 5.

The Fathers of the Church frequently associate 15 to the two Testaments because it constitutes the sum of 7, the Sabbath, and 8, the Resurrection (the Sabbath representing the period covered by the Old Testament, and the Resurrection, the period covered by the New Testament).

According to R. Allendy, this number "represents the vital whirlwind 5, animating the cosmos 10, to father the world of the creatures to the image of the Archetype - 1 + 5 = 6. Odd and triangular number, 15 is a dynamic and creative agent; it represents the blooming of the life in the creation".

Represent the plenitude of the science, according to saint Jerome.

It is the spiritual ascension seal, according to Cornelius Agrippa.

For Eckartshausen, it is "the number of the spiritual resurrection, the number of the commandments and the generation".

J. Boehme calls it "the desire the divine love".

According to Creusot, it is the number of Satan, who is developing only in the man such a virus. He imposes subtly his wills, causing blind passions, ephemeral pleasures and degrading.

According to Guy Tarade, it is the number of the man, the human spirit, holy or satanic.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu15.php

one666

10-05-2011, 07:53 PM

My opinion is that most information regarding Lucifer is tainted. Including where he came from, which deities he is a part of etc.

I believe the real enemy of mankind is this illusory reality - the Beast. The Beast consumes energy and separates matter from spirit - producing what we know as 'evil'. There must be a primeval source for this consciousness and I would not be surprised if Belial was another name for that.

The Beast is most likely a known ultra-dimensional entity and was probably given a name at some point. It's existence and the nature of the reality it has us in is now considered occult knowledge.

He came from the Roman Catholic church. They replaced the name of a Great king with Lucifer and replaced his Kindoms name with Hell. I can't remember this king's name off the top of my head, but if you Google it you will see. "Great kings" were referred to as "The morning star" Catholicism left that part in the bible which gives the world a passage that totally misleads them into believing Lucifer actually existed and was referred to as the morning star when infact he was just another manmade invention by our precious Catholic church. Google it!

thelucifer

10-05-2011, 09:55 PM

[INDENT]

Satan, Devil, Lucifer, Serpent & all the other weirdos & Words created over time = negative, Evil, inhuman, anti Christ like; in general in HUMAN terms ..... Yes/No?

No.

Lucifer equals as you say only in the minds of the ignorant and look around you, ignorance is in abundance.

What a mind fuck, hate the one they claim to know and love, just great. :cool:

devolinctus

10-05-2011, 11:15 PM

why would any entity want to enslave a mad bunch of monkeys?, "bring me the human sirlion you wretched curr, now jump into this lake of lava and burn for ever,,, muhaaaaa.

thelucifer

10-05-2011, 11:23 PM

A Shriner Freemason admits to worshipping Lucifer - YouTube

This mason saying he is Lucifer is saying he is Christian, plain and simple.

There are two faces for Christianity, the one for the masses and occult/the hidden Christianity.
Freemasonry is the keeper of the knowledge, make no mistake.

The poor fool/Christian behind the camera is smug/too smart by half. :cool:

logos880

10-05-2011, 11:50 PM

There are two faces for Christianity, the one for the masses and occult/the hidden Christianity.
Freemasonry is the keeper of the knowledge, make no mistake.

What knowledge is that exactly??

thelucifer

11-05-2011, 12:00 AM

What knowledge is that exactly??

They scream volumes via symbols etc. :rolleyes:

A symbol is a candle and a candle is not put under the bed, as you know.

Dont worry, go back to sleep sheep.

logos880

11-05-2011, 12:32 AM

They scream volumes via symbols etc. :rolleyes:

A symbol is a candle and a candle is not put under the bed, as you know.

Ok, so what do these symbols say exactly?

Dont worry, go back to sleep sheep.

Why are you calling me a sheep?

thelucifer

11-05-2011, 12:42 AM

Ok, so what do these symbols say exactly?

Why are you calling me a sheep?

Ya sure. :rolleyes:

There is tons of stuff for you to look through here, knock yourself out.

I didnt say what I said via whim/ignorance, now go figure it out.

logos880

11-05-2011, 12:47 AM

Ya sure. :rolleyes:

There is tons of stuff for you to look through here, knock yourself out.

I didnt say what I said via whim/ignorance, now go figure it out.

But I'm not interested in "tons of stuff" on here. I am interested in your explanation of this supposed knowledge of the freemasons you mentioned. So how bout it??

thelucifer

11-05-2011, 01:03 AM

But I'm not interested in "tons of stuff" on here. I am interested in your explanation of this supposed knowledge of the freemasons you mentioned. So how bout it??

Im not interested in spoon feeding you right now, waste your time not mine.

thelucifer

11-05-2011, 05:52 AM

But I'm not interested in "tons of stuff" on here. I am interested in your explanation of this supposed knowledge of the freemasons you mentioned. So how bout it??

They are the keepers of occult Christianity.
What could be plainer ?

Its funny that you want my explanation when I prefer using their words/explanations hence the video etc etc etc.

They try to hide everything in plain sight, even verbally, I simply show and tell the whole thing.

Do you agree there are two Christianity's ??

rob_n86

11-05-2011, 01:06 PM

"Satan" or "The Devil" is not lucifer. Satan/Devil is the human personification of "evil" deeds people could not accept the responsibility of themselves.

According to some teachings, Lucifer is a social memory complex of assended souls that wanted to introduce free will to humanity. Without freewill, there is no choice. Without choice what is the point of an existance? If you have no idea what I'm talking about, I suggest reading Ra material and this

http://www.reenagagneja.com/hiddenhand

There is the info, read, digest, believe/disbelieve. Dont waste enrgy trolling me.

logos880

11-05-2011, 02:29 PM

They are the keepers of occult Christianity.
What could be plainer ?

What is occult christianity?

Its funny that you want my explanation when I prefer using their words/explanations hence the video etc etc etc.

They try to hide everything in plain sight, even verbally, I simply show and tell the whole thing.

I've read quite a bit about their symbols. I'm just interested in your perspective on this and having a conversation regarding this. :)

Do you agree there are two Christianity's ??

I guess that depends on how one defines "christianity." I would say that there are definitely two paths.

thelucifer

11-05-2011, 06:20 PM

What is occult christianity?

I've read quite a bit about their symbols. I'm just interested in your perspective on this and having a conversation regarding this. :)

I guess that depends on how one defines "christianity." I would say that there are definitely two paths.

Its hard to that question/you seriously because I have already explained, plus you do know what the word occult means Im sure.

Go back to the post with the mason, read it a few times.

hypnoticspectre

11-05-2011, 06:40 PM

A christian is a person who believes worshiping Jesus will save there soul, maybe a few good deeds and they can sit next to god at the dinner table .

Hallelujah !!!

logos880

11-05-2011, 07:32 PM

Its hard to that question/you seriously because I have already explained, plus you do know what the word occult means Im sure.

Sure, occult means hidden. What is the doctrine of "occult christianity?"

Go back to the post with the mason, read it a few times.

I read the post, thanks. Most christian churches that I know are anti-mason. :)

love_is_all

12-05-2011, 08:37 PM

Lucifer is mentioned in the Bible. Is there any other source that indicates the existance of Lucifer? If you provide several texts with Lucifer then we can confirm this character has a certain probability of being real. But i don't think the Bible is enough for this claim.

thelucifer

13-05-2011, 08:15 AM

A christian is a person who believes worshiping Jesus will save there soul, maybe a few good deeds and they can sit next to god at the dinner table .

Hallelujah !!!

An occult Christian believes worshiping Jesus, a symbol, will save their soul-a few good deeds etc.

Listen to this mason.
A Shriner Freemason admits to worshipping Lucifer - YouTube

extremecheese

13-05-2011, 02:32 PM

Firstly to answer the OP, if you believe the serpent in the garden of Eden was Lucifer, then no he wasn't trying to save humanity as he persuaded Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge rather than the tree of life.
Secondly, to all those who are into the occult etc, please take some time to listen to these 2 hours of interviews with Johnathon Gray on Dr Stan Montieth's radio show last week, they are very insightfull...

http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net:8080/050511c.mp3

http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio.net:8080/050511d.mp3

janiebird

15-05-2011, 05:55 PM

[QUOTE=oiram;1059894770]
I made it easy for my self.

Satan, Devil, Lucifer, Serpent & all the other weirdos & Words created over time = negative, Evil, inhuman, anti Christ like; in general in HUMAN terms ..... Yes/No?

God, God/image, Christ, the so called Jesus, Spiritual, from your inner Soul/voice & coming from your hard etc. = Positive, pro Human, pro logic general in HUMAN terms...... Yes/No?

(Your lists mate, not mine. Didn't realise that humans and humane were synonymous; nor humans and logic. Personally I'd switch Lucifer into your God list and add to it all non-human other. Nor do I think the effect of whatever the Christian religion was founded on to have had a particularly fortunate effect across the millennia what with the wars, tortures, burnings, etc.. Better without the person - if they ever actually existed.)

[I]So I cut it down more to this....

Negative simple flash & blood Man = Animal like & below Animal like... = Ass holes of the World, anti Human
or
Positive true Human = Just a simple logical comm & sense Human, the natural spirit drives your entire Body, the desire, the divine love towards all Humans.... (Yes all Women are included in the true Human part option)

Aw thank you for including me (a female this incarnation, but from a long line of thumping great sailors).

Which one do or did you all pick? ...... It was the issue thousands of years ago & it's still the same option now & your free choice.

I had my pick long time ago & I say death to all Animals hiding in Soulless Human Bodies!

Note: You shell not Kill even only one Human; but what does it clearly says about the Animal & Human status.![/B]

I should trash your religious books: they're untrustworthy.
My most spiritual companion was an animal: and stacks of people have discovered the same pure simple soul-love from non-human species.

When my dearest little pal (a lame pigeon) died, I was told by an astonished Christian clairvoyant that apparently it had been thought necessary for the Archangel Michael to come and pick her up and take her to where she was to go. Evidently animals are appreciated by Angels.

Just think for a moment, what the planet would be like if only human beings lived on it. Without the animals (these poor, vulnerable, defenceless and loving little creatures) for us to kill, devour, experiment on, kick around and generally abuse, in five minutes we'd turn on each other ... then byebye to your idyllic notion of holy humans, pal!

So when I stepped in the Garden long time ago I told the serpent stick it & to go back into his hole & back to his own kind >>[B]the living dead.

Because I like to be alive even if I only end up being the only one on earth!