Atheism

[bensonz]

See Sexual Deviants In the Society of Pain Thread - under General Topics

[comawhite015]

No, it's just that actually responding to so much self-righteous rhetoric is just a waste of bloody time.

[element]

Note that not all who mock christianity are atheists. ;)

What's an atheist anyway? Someone who doesn't believe in god or the divine?

Aren't those just materialists? Or is it all the same bunch with different names?
Such people need to search for spirituality in a practical way (note: they won't, they only ridicule others with open minds)

There aer some good atheists, but the fundamentalist movement is rising and the plague is rife in the west! :eek: :D

[astro zombie]

Also more importantly what does an atheist scream when they cum?

[sumix]

People are Atheists usually because the bible and other religious texts don't resonate with them. They recognise that you don't need rituals, beliefs or some text that some guy wrote long ago to be 'moral' or 'ethical' etc. That is my understanding as I called myself an Atheist for them very reasons. This doesn't mean I'm religious at all now by the way.

Edit: To clarify, God to me at that stage meant some old man with a magic wand, judging everyone. It just didn't add up so I called myself an Atheist as I thought that's how everyone saw it, but now that I have expanded my awareness I see that my very perspective led me to Atheism.

[comawhite015]

Still no responses from Atheists I see. Musn't be any here then I quess. Plenty of shitstirrers and zombies and someone who wants to repeat the questions already laid out on the thread, rather than offer anything evening remotley resembling a valid attempt at answering the question. Oh well moving on .

God bless.

Why bother answering at all when all you're going to do is refute it? It's just a blatant attempt to pick a fight. You're rankled, and you're balling your fists and screaming like a little girl.

Pointless.

[chris_com283]

Note that not all who mock christianity are atheists. ;)

What's an atheist anyway? Someone who doesn't believe in god or the divine?

Aren't those just materialists? Or is it all the same bunch with different names?
Such people need to search for spirituality in a practical way (note: they won't, they only ridicule others with open minds)

An atheist is someone who either doesn't have the belief in a god or who believes that such being does not exist. Materialists believe that the material world is all that exists. No heaven, hell, limbo or anything like that. I think they also show a disbelief in anything paranormal like ESP or telekinesis OBEs.

There aer some good atheists, but the fundamentalist movement is rising and the plague is rife in the west! :eek: :D

I think that would be the Dawkins crowd. He's created quite a following. Not all atheists ridicule others, but it's not that a rare trait among them. It's funny how they look down their noses at people and call them such things as arogant bigots when they show the same traits themselves. Not to offend the good atheists here though. By the way, I kind of agree with the atheist bus campaign.

[comawhite015]

Fuck off wingnot, or I'll give you a spanking you unruely child. Typical twat post from total spanner. Youve picked a fight now, come on then ya cunt, have a go...

Prove me right, why don't you :P

[bensonz]

Prove me right, why don't you :P

Are you masterbating...?

[quysant]

How do atheists answer the big five?

Who am I?
Where did I come from?
How did I get here?
Where am I?
Where am I going?

Who am I? ... A human being.

Where did I come from? ...My parents.

How did I get here?....My parents.

Where am I?...In Italy at the moment

Where am I going?...Staying here for a while.

I do not believe in the supernatural, bensonz, I guess that makes me an atheist.

http://www.godchecker.com/

The above link is a list of gods, which one do you go for?

[chris_com283]

Kind of an abusive reply, bensonz. You could have just left it as that an would have come off looking better.

Who am I? ... A human being.

Where did I come from? ...My parents.

How did I get here?....My parents.

Where am I?...In Italy at the moment

Where am I going?...Staying here for a while.

I do not believe in the supernatural, bensonz, I guess that makes me an atheist.

http://www.godchecker.com/

The above link is a list of gods, which one do you go for?
Materialist would probably be more acurate.

[bensonz]

Who am I? ... A human being.

Where did I come from? ...My parents.

How did I get here?....My parents.

Where am I?...In Italy at the moment

Where am I going?...Staying here for a while.

I do not believe in the supernatural, bensonz, I guess that makes me an atheist.

http://www.godchecker.com/

The above link is a list of gods, which one do you go for?


Thanks

[stfd]

"If God did not exist and i believed i have lost nothing, if however God existed and i did not believe i have lost everything"

[synergy777]

"If God did not exist and i believed i have lost nothing, if however God existed and i did not believe i have lost everything"

well said bro, it reminds me of my favourite philosopher, albert camus.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/albert_camus.html

I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.

Albert Camus

[quysant]

"If God did not exist and i believed i have lost nothing, if however God existed and i did not believe i have lost everything"

What if you have chosen to believe in the wrong god ?

And would you suppose god to be stupid enough not to know if your belief was dictated by convenience?

I can't turn on and off believing. I would think myself a hypocrite.

[skunksmash]

what is the true meaning of an ''Atheist'' ....


is it someone who doesn't believe in god ..??

or someone who detests religion in all forms..??



:)SK

[quysant]

One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

(Theos is greek for god)

[mephibosheth]

What if you have chosen to believe in the wrong god ?

And would you suppose god to be stupid enough not to know if your belief was dictated by convenience?

I can't turn on and off believing. I would think myself a hypocrite.


Pascal's wager seems reasonable at first. But the problem is, as quysant says, which 'god' are we supposed to 'believe' is real? Zeus? Allah? Marduk?

The problem is that the existence of any of these gods has to be taken on faith. There is no evidence to support any one of them. Or, for any evidence that the faithful throw up, people of other faiths have just as much counter-evidence to show how the first faith is mistaken.

If 'a' god exists, a Most High God, then its existence and presence is not a matter of 'belief', but a matter of fact. And this fact should be available to any and all persons without the need to rely on 'faith'--the uncritical acceptance of some proposition (ie, 'god exits', 'the bible is god's word'). We should clearly be able to look at ourselves or look at the world or both and say 'yes, that's God', and everyone should agree. We all agree that the sun exists and where it is in the sky. That the sun is there, shining on us, isn't a matter of faith or 'belief'.

8)

[bensonz]

Kind of an abusive reply, bensonz. You could have just left it as that an would have come off looking better.


Materialist would probably be more acurate.


I will take your advise on board, I just let some people get under my skin some times, usually at 4.00 in the mroning when I have had no sleep.

Thansk for the wisdom. I forget people are watching some times.

[bensonz]

Who am I? ... A human being.

Where did I come from? ...My parents.

How did I get here?....My parents.

Where am I?...In Italy at the moment

Where am I going?...Staying here for a while.

I do not believe in the supernatural, bensonz, I guess that makes me an atheist.

http://www.godchecker.com/

The above link is a list of gods, which one do you go for?

I had a look at the link, mine wasn't there?

[bensonz]

[QUOTE=sumix;778227]People are Atheists usually because the bible and other religious texts don't resonate with them. They recognise that you don't need rituals, beliefs or some text that some guy wrote long ago to be 'moral' or 'ethical' etc. That is my understanding as I called myself an Atheist for them very reasons. This doesn't mean I'm religious at all now by the way.

Edit: To clarify, God to me at that stage meant some old man with a magic wand, judging everyone. It just didn't add up so I called myself an Atheist as I thought that's how everyone saw it, but now that I have expanded my awareness I see that my very perspective led me to Atheism.
But why would an athiest even read a religous text in order to discover it didnt resonate with them, thats would be an agnostic wouldnt it?

So the first stage of athesim is always agnosticinm by the looks, would that be right? Agnsotics admit they arent sure, athiests state there is no God, I want to know why?

[quysant]

Agnsotics admit they arent sure, athiests state there is no God, I want to know why?


I have a nil expectation of finding that there are any gods.

Nowhere in human history has it ever been demonstrated that a God exists and is active in the Universe.

[sumix]

But why would an athiest even read a religous text in order to discover it didnt resonate with them, thats would be an agnostic wouldnt it?

The religious texts are needed as a reference to know what God is supposed to be, I'd need a definition of God to reject it in the first place. It is that God or that concept of Gods that I did not believe in as claimed by the religious texts/people.

So the first stage of athesim is always agnosticinm by the looks, would that be right?

If you are totally ignorant about the topic of god and then you hear a claim of what this god concept is supposed to be, you could reject it instantly and say I don't believe in that claim, but usually this isn't the case so as a part of natural growth and understanding I'd say a lot of people go through agnosticism, but they absolutely don't have to.

Agnsotics admit they arent sure, athiests state there is no God, I want to know why?

Atheists definition of God is derived from the bible and religious people. So it's that definition of god that they don't believe in.

Edit:

I have a nil expectation of finding that there are any gods.

Nowhere in human history has it ever been demonstrated that a God exists and is active in the Universe.

This is exactly my point! This definition of God is some being with magical powers as stated by religious organizations etc.

[octopusrex]

Fools.

Gods live among you, hidden all the time.

There can only be one God of War on planet earth at the time. He is hidden from view, but always present. Right now, that TITLE belongs to either Obama or Osama, depending whose winning right now.

Equally, there are other hidden Gods among us.

There is a God (demon) of Wealth.

There is a God of Medicine.

You do the math. How many titled Gods are there in planet earth on any given day?

[themime]

Anyone know how much of the worlds population are atheists (be it strong or weak)?

[armoured_amazon]

Nowhere in human history has it ever been demonstrated that a God exists and is active in the Universe.

In your experience so far. ;)

[themime]

In your experience so far. ;)

True, I think most theists would say that belief stems from a place deep within them and is as much an integral part of their being as their creativity or ability to love.

That is not to say that you have to be born with a belief in God/Gods, my back ground is non-religious and yet I have always felt a pull towards God.

For me atheism makes no sense as it would be like denying my true self.

[bensonz]

QUOTE=sumix;788416]The religious texts are needed as a reference to know what God is supposed to be, I'd need a definition of God to reject it in the first place. It is that God or that concept of Gods that I did not believe in as claimed by the religious texts/people.


If you are totally ignorant about the topic of god and then you hear a claim of what this god concept is supposed to be, you could reject it instantly and say I don't believe in that claim, but usually this isn't the case so as a part of natural growth and understanding I'd say a lot of people go through agnosticism, but they absolutely don't have to


Atheists definition of God is derived from the bible and religious people. So it's that definition of god that they don't believe in.

Edit:

This is exactly my point! This definition of God is some being with magical powers as stated by religious organizations etc.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for making the effort to explain, these arent trick questions. just interested.

[bensonz]

The religious texts are needed as a reference to know what God is supposed to be, I'd need a definition of God to reject it in the first place. It is that God or that concept of Gods that I did not believe in as claimed by the religious texts/people.



If you are totally ignorant about the topic of god and then you hear a claim of what this god concept is supposed to be, you could reject it instantly and say I don't believe in that claim, but usually this isn't the case so as a part of natural growth and understanding I'd say a lot of people go through agnosticism, but they absolutely don't have to.



Atheists definition of God is derived from the bible and religious people. So it's that definition of god that they don't believe in.

Edit:



This is exactly my point! This definition of God is some being with magical powers as stated by religious organizations etc.

Once more, again not a trick question, is it of interest to an atheist to ask how we got here, or is it more of a matter of just accepting it, IE just getting on with life. My wife has that approach. EG,
ME: Do you know why we are here Honey?
SHE:No.
ME: Does it matter".
SHE: Not really, now what do you want for lunch?
ME: Uhm, good question... hadnt really thought about it, still trying to figure out why Im here, if I find out do you want to know?
SHE: If it means you'll tell me what you, want for lunch, then OKAY!

[quysant]

In your experience so far. ;)

Can you demonstrate / prove God's existence ?

[sumix]

Can you demonstrate / prove God's existence ?

Depends on what you think God is, I'd say look around.

Once more, again not a trick question, is it of interest to an atheist to ask how we got here, or is it more of a matter of just accepting it, IE just getting on with life.

Nope not at all (for me - as well as others I'm sure), I was very fascinated as an Atheist as to why/how/when. I used my mind in a logical, objective way as well as experiences of life to come to the conclusions that I did. I just wanted the truth, I tried to cut through all of what I thought was nonsense and kept thinking all the time in the back of my mind.

Edit:

Anyone know how much of the worlds population are atheists (be it strong or weak)?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Worldwide_percentage_of_Adherents_by_Religion.png

Kinda old I guess, just thought I'd try anyway.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups) :p

[themime]

Thanks Sumix I'd not seen that graph before. :)

[tjohn]

Also more importantly what does an atheist scream when they cum?Oh Darwin! ?

[tjohn]

"If God did not exist and i believed i have lost nothing, if however God existed and i did not believe i have lost everything"Why?

[tjohn]

Can you demonstrate / prove God's existence ?
Pascal's wager seems reasonable at first. But the problem is, as quysant says, which 'god' are we supposed to 'believe' is real? Zeus? Allah? Marduk?

The problem is that the existence of any of these gods has to be taken on faith. There is no evidence to support any one of them. Or, for any evidence that the faithful throw up, people of other faiths have just as much counter-evidence to show how the first faith is mistaken.

If 'a' god exists, a Most High God, then its existence and presence is not a matter of 'belief', but a matter of fact. And this fact should be available to any and all persons without the need to rely on 'faith'--the uncritical acceptance of some proposition (ie, 'god exits', 'the bible is god's word'). We should clearly be able to look at ourselves or look at the world or both and say 'yes, that's God', and everyone should agree. We all agree that the sun exists and where it is in the sky. That the sun is there, shining on us, isn't a matter of faith or 'belief'.

8)There are different forms of energy, electricity for instance, involves electrons which have mass but photons do not have mass (or charge). So what are photons? Then photons do not exist unless they are travelling. Think about that for a moment - what is a photon if it's not a 'packet' of information?

I believe that matter came from photon energy. The universe has logical structure. Photons have logical structure and where there is information that has logical structure (it wouldn't be information otherwise) there is a Mind.

Then what is gravity, if it isn't information?

Here’s what an astronomy website says about gravitons:
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=535
“According to Weisstein's world of Physics, a graviton is "a theoretical particle having no mass and no charge that carries the gravitational force." In quantum mechanics, we know that light comes to us in mass-less packets, or particles, called photons, which carries electromagnetic force with it. Because this worked so well and is essential to the theory of quantum mechanics, people hypothesized the existence of a similar particle which carries the gravitational force.”

Interesting, I wonder if they will find the illusive graviton and if they do, what would gravitons be but ‘packets’ of information that say matter attracts matter (gravity)?

Not the same as in the bible but is a concept of God that far fetched?

Update:

Just checked something out.
Then photons do not exist unless they are travelling.

Re stopping photons.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/27mar_stoplight.htm

near the bottom of the page says: Next they reduced the intensity of the signal laser until the polariton was 100% atomic. There were no photons left inside the chamber. Yet the imprint of the photons remained -- on the atoms themselves.Confirms that photons are information and this implies a Mind.

[bensonz]

There are different forms of energy, electricity for instance, involves electrons which have mass but photons do not have mass (or charge). So what are photons? Then photons do not exist unless they are travelling. Think about that for a moment - what is a photon if it's not a 'packet' of information?

I believe that matter came from photon energy. The universe has logical structure. Photons have logical structure and where there is information that has logical structure (it wouldn't be information otherwise) there is a Mind.

Then what is gravity, if it isn't information?

Here’s what an astronomy website says about gravitons:
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=535
“According to Weisstein's world of Physics, a graviton is "a theoretical particle having no mass and no charge that carries the gravitational force." In quantum mechanics, we know that light comes to us in mass-less packets, or particles, called photons, which carries electromagnetic force with it. Because this worked so well and is essential to the theory of quantum mechanics, people hypothesized the existence of a similar particle which carries the gravitational force.”

Interesting, I wonder if they will find the illusive graviton and if they do, what would gravitons be but ‘packets’ of information that say matter attracts matter (gravity)?

Not the same as in the bible but is a concept of God that far fetched?

Now your preaching to atheists about God on one hand and with the other hand mocking a Christian. I think you need to find yourself mate.

[bensonz]

Why?

Because

[element]

Now your preaching to atheists about God on one hand and with the other hand mocking a Christian. I think you need to find yourself mate.

Are you trapped in traditional religion VS atheism..?

You don't have to be a christian to believe/know a god/divine, ok?:)

[bensonz]

Also more importantly what does an atheist scream when they cum?

only an atheist woulds ask, since they have nothing better to talk about.

[bensonz]

Are you trapped in traditional religion VS atheism..?

You don't have to be a christian to believe/know a god/divine, ok?:)

I didnt say you did, I just find it hypocritical that this chap is now trying to convert an atheist to a belief in God after mocking me for my beliefs.

OK:)

Now is that all right with you or would you rather I leave this thread aswell?

[element]

I didnt say you did, I just find it hypocritical that this chap is now trying to convert an atheist to a belief in God after mocking me for my beliefs.

OK:)

Now is that all right with you or would you rather I leave this thread aswell?
It's your thread!! :p

I'll get your point. ;)

[bensonz]

It's your thread!! :p

I'll get your point. ;)

And Lo, as if in a vision I was taken up into the seventh heaven and in it I saw a place with walls on all sides that extended into all eternity. And I said " Lord, Lord what is this?", and The lord said "Oh that's where Element, Metacomet and Tjohn are, they think they are the only ones here, we didnt want to dissapoint them".

I get your point or I'll get your point? and if its my thread and I say you arent on topic, will you shut your trap?.

[element]

And Lo, as if in a vision I was taken up into the seventh heaven and in it I saw a place with walls on all sides that extended into eternity. And I said Lord Lord what is this, and The lord said oh that's where Element Metacomet and Tjohn are, they think they are the only ones here, we didnt want to dissapoint them.

I get your point or I'll get your point?
lol..

Yes, I meant ''I get your point'', my bad ;)

[bensonz]

lol..

Yes, I meant ''I get your point'', my bad ;)

Theres hope for you yet my boy, theres hope for you yet. :D

[debs67gb]

And Lo, as if in a vision I was taken up into the seventh heaven and in it I saw a place with walls on all sides that extended into eternity. And I said Lord Lord what is this, and The lord said oh that's where Element Metacomet and Tjohn are, they think they are the only ones here, we didnt want to dissapoint them.

I get your point or I'll get your point? and if its my thread and I say you arent on topic, will you shut your trap?.

LOL nice

[bensonz]

LOL nice

Thanks debs, I like to have a laugh, dont we all. Even athiests, who I might add I have far less of an issue with than the Traditional Biblical Christianity Dinformationalists. Is that a word? Well it damn well is now.:D

[tjohn]

Now your preaching to atheists about God on one hand and with the other hand mocking a Christian. I think you need to find yourself mate.We don't have to be a Christian or even religious as such, to comprehend that there is a God.

And I think you need to find yourself - because the answer is in every atom of your body and in the way the mind works as well.

[element]

Theres hope for yet my boy, theres hope for you yet. :D

Job.14 ''For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.''

[bensonz]

Can you demonstrate / prove God's existence ?

Hi Guysant, I think in order to do that I will first need to prove to you that the Bible is the Word of God, IE a divinely inspired book written over the course of 1600 hundred years by sum 40 divinely inspired men, and I can do that. Once I have done that, I will be able to show you how scientific fact aligns perfectly with the biblical account of Genisis, and I can do that. After I have done that I can demonstrate how this knowledge has transformed my very life miraculously, and I can do that.

[armoured_amazon]

Hi Guysant, I think in order to do that I would first need to prove to you that the Bible is the Word of God, IE a divinely inspired book wriiten over the course of 1600 hundred years by sum 40 divinely inspired men, and I can do that. Once I have done that, I will be able to show you how scientific fact aligns perfectly with the biblical account of Genisis, and I can do that. After I have done that I can prove how this knowledge has transformed my very life miraculously, and I can do that.:cool:

:)

[bensonz]

Job.14 ''For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.''

Great now there firing scriptures at me again like it's a weapon. Go play in the sand pit for a while children, Ill talk to you latter. I want to hear what an athiets views are, I already know what you illumifruit'n'nutty shills have to say.

[bensonz]

We don't have to be a Christian or even religious as such, to comprehend that there is a God.

And I think you need to find yourself - because the answer is in every atom of your body and in the way the mind works as well.

I know, evidently Satan knows there is a God too, einstein. (actually I dont think einstein belived in God did he?). And an athiets would say you are religeous regardless as to what you call what it is you believe. Mention the word God to an athiets, and he will say you are religeous.

Listen; you are up against a true believer in The saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, yes I am a true born again believer, there arent many of us around you know. That means the power and wisdom of the Holy Spirit of the creator God of the universe flows through me like a river of life and the gates of hell will not prevail against me. Let alone a junior satanic apprentice of Tzarion and his hoards, you still dont know what you belive yet, this means you do not qualify to have a meaningful discussion with me.

Because of this (just so you know I boast in Christ not of myself)

Im more intelligent than you
Im wiser than you
Im more witty than you
And most probably far better looking than you.
Now nite nite children, go to bed.


Quit while you are not ahead.

All you are doing is revealing yourself to be petty, argumentative, cheeky, rude, childish, slanderous, blaphemous and immensly disrepectful of anybody who will not accept the message that you "Preach"

Suffer in your jocks mate, suffer in your jocks, I laugh at your calamity. I tried reasoning with you in an objective fashion, you trashed the privaledge.

[element]

Great now there firing scriptures at me again like it's a weapon. Go play in the sand pit for a while children, Ill talk to you latter. I want to here what an athiets views are, I already know what you illumifruit'n'nutty shills have to say.
See, there are only 3 groups to you fundie christians:

1. christians
2. atheists
3. illumifruit'n'nutty shills

If a religion works for you then fine, but don't label others as illumifruit'n'nutty shills, when you don't know them.
None of us is the same, and you're not the centre of the world for others.

;)


Hmm your last post isn't really divine you know.., just to let you know. Keep a mirror with you. ;)

[oiram]

what is the true meaning of an ''Atheist'' ....

is it someone who doesn't believe in god ..??

or someone who detests religion in all forms..??

:)SKIt's just labeling created by idiots.
Because they all live in a dark box so for them everything has to be placed into a box gets shelved & labeled.

Believe is absolutely nothing without doing.

You don't believe in anything; you ....... "DO" ..... this way people can see who & what you really are.
Without doing anything you are a nobody!

That's why you're Boss loves you so much when he can make you believe this way you are a nobody to him.

To see the God you all talk about you have to .... "DO what represents this God" ... But you only understand this if you able to get out of you're labeled Box..

And hope is good for believers because nothing ever happens because they only believe and don't ever do nothing.


What luck for Leaders that believers don't think!
http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/11/sheepgrass.jpg
The only label I like is dumb sheep but they live in the open sometimes make a lot of noise & eat grass! :D

[bensonz]

See, there are only 3 groups to you fundie christians:

1. christians
2. atheists
3. illumifruit'n'nutty shills

If a religion works for you then fine, but don't label others as illumifruit'n'nutty shills, when you don't know them.
None of us is the same, and you're not the centre of the world for others.

;)

There you are steeling my words again. Do you have any original wit of your own. While you have breath in your lungs ther is still hope for you, you have no hope however of me engaging directly with anything you have to say in futre though. (not that will dissapoint you at all.) But it make s me feel great.

[element]

See athiest, he is attacking you now.

Where..? :eek:

[bensonz]

Where..? :eek:

Oh oh, caught me out did you, do you feel all powerful, small thimgs amuse small minds, I bet that means you can say what I belive is all false now.

Ive removed it, my bad;) You'll get no more bites from me, go fishing somewhere else.

[element]

Oh oh, caught me out did you, do you feel all powerful, small thimgs amuse small minds, I bet that means you can say what I belive is all false now.

Ive removed it, my bad;)

I think you're a funny chap!!!!!

Isn't there this great quote ''No one can make you feel inferior without your consent'' ? ;)

1,Beliefs are often false, not all of them obviously.
2,Or all of them are false, since you only know a small thing that might be true, but you don't know all, so the belief is still false!

Depends how you look at it I guess..

You'll get no more bites from me, go fishing somewhere else.
But your not a bad fish are you?

[tjohn]

Now your preaching to atheists about God on one hand and with the other hand mocking a Christian. I think you need to find yourself mate.Anyway Bensonz, where am I mocking Christianity on here - yet.

[bensonz]

Anyway Bensonz, where am I mocking Christianity on here - yet.


You mocked me and what I believe. The end.

[tjohn]

I know, evidently Satan knows there is a God too, einstein. (actually I dont think einstein belived in God did he?). Actually Einstein did have a concept of God! And an athiets would say you are religeous regardless as to what you call what it is you believe. Mention the word God to an athiets, and he will say you are religeous.

Listen; you are up against a true believer in The saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, yes I am a true born again believer, there arent many of us around you know. That means the power and wisdom of the Holy Spirit of the creator God of the universe flows through me like a river of life and the gates of hell will not prevail against me. Let alone a junior satanic apprentice of Tzarion and his hoards, you still dont know what you belive yet, this means you do not qualify to have a meaningful discussion with me.

Because of this (just so you know I boast in Christ not of myself)

Im more intelligent than you
Im wiser than you
Im more witty than you
And most probably far better looking than you.
Now nite nite children, go to bed.


Quit while you are not ahead.

All you are doing is revealing yourself to be petty, argumentative, cheeky, rude, childish, slanderous, blaphemous and immensly disrepectful of anybody who will not accept the message that you "Preach"

Suffer in your jocks mate, suffer in your jocks, I laugh at your calamity. I tried reasoning with you in an objective fashion, you trashed the privaledge.I do think that the above is a classic example of projecting and you bensonz, should look at yourself in the mirror. I know who I am and I know what I believe and I know much about what you believe too. It is you, not I, who is acting like a child. It is you, not I, who cannot look at things in an objective way.

Listen, watch my lips and mark these words: one day soon your pride will fall - as did mine - when I realised that for the most of my life I had been deceived through Christianity and religious indoctrination and I sincerely hope you don't take it as hard as I did but I fear that you will.

I know where you are at, because I have been there myself but you have no idea where I am now because you presume things that you measure by your 'faith.'

Like if I don't 'believe' as you do, I'm on the wrong 'path' - yet I do not follow any religious 'path' other than the way as God intended and I am free - free to think and feel as my true nature intended and I give this message to you, not out of fear (as you do to me) but out of love.

I am sorry that you are scared to even consider anything other than your belief system which you have been conditioned (and that's the nice word) into believing about yourself and others.

Quit while you are not ahead.THINK! Not doublethink! And should I say that I am far ahead of you?! That is no idle boast and I do not say "just so you know I boast in Christ not of myself" as the excuse.

[themime]

Actually Einstein did have a concept of God!


Spinoza's God of the fudge wasn't it?

[tjohn]

I didnt say you did, I just find it hypocritical that this chap is now trying to convert an atheist to a belief in God after mocking me for my beliefs.Hypocritical? No-one, I repeat no-one who knows me says that I am hypocritical! But you don't know me do you. Lets stop the ad-hominem attacks and lets not blame the messenger.

[bensonz]

Spinoza's God of the fudge wasn't it?

Ha. Quite right

[bensonz]

QUOTE=tjohn;791945]Hypocritical? No-one, I repeat no-one who knows me says that I am hypocritical! But you don't know me do you. Lets stop the ad-hominem attacks and lets not blame the messenger.[/QUOTE


Its way to late to take the moral spiritual high ground now tjohn.

I know you (in a sense) by what you write on the threads, people reveal a great deal of who they are on these forums, probably more so than to their friends and even family, I dont talk about any of these views to family friends and workmates, if I did most of them would probaly roll their eyes and tell me to shut the fuck up, which you are also quite welcome to do as well. There is an ignore button I belive, or maybe that's just blind fath on my part.

I am atually defending myself and my beliefs againts what you are preaching, I think if you look through any of my threads I am seldom if ever preaching, unless you consider posting scripture as preaching. I call that posting a biblical fact. You on the other hand have come bounding into this thread after mocking my bliefs in another thread (probably becuase you where holding a resentment againts me (and proceeded to try to prove the existance of god to a Atheist on a thread, started by me, to find out what atheist believe. That is hpocrisiy mate. Look it up in the dictionary, great little book, I highly recommend it, it has the meanings of words in it, or did the illuminati write that to control us aswell.?

Look , I only decended to your level of attacking the messanger when you attacked me. Happy to applogise if you can show me where I am wrong. Fair enough, I wont attack the messenger any more, however the message that satan was trying to save us, is rediculous in the extreme. And the message that the bible was written by illuminati to control the masses is even more rediculous. And Im sorry but when this type of messenger then attempts to use scripture to prove his argument, well, it is very,very hard to resist the temptation to Say, "What a total and utterly insane lunatic!".

But I still love you and I am sure you are an absolulet fabulous friend son and brother out there in the big bad world, however these discusions have eternal consequences people are watching listening searching, what we say and do here, will echo into eternity (Im steeling that back of the Gladiator coz its dam cool) Thats why I wont back down one iota.

[bensonz]

Actually Einstein did have a concept of God! I do think that the above is a classic example of projecting and you bensonz, should look at yourself in the mirror. I know who I am and I know what I believe and I know much about what you believe too. It is you, not I, who is acting like a child. It is you, not I, who cannot look at things in an objective way.

Listen, watch my lips and mark these words: one day soon your pride will fall - as did mine - when I realised that for the most of my life I had been deceived through Christianity and religious indoctrination and I sincerely hope you don't take it as hard as I did but I fear that you will.

I know where you are at, because I have been there myself but you have no idea where I am now because you presume things that you measure by your 'faith.'

Like if I don't 'believe' as you do, I'm on the wrong 'path' - yet I do not follow any religious 'path' other than the way as God intended and I am free - free to think and feel as my true nature intended and I give this message to you, not out of fear (as you do to me) but out of love.

I am sorry that you are scared to even consider anything other than your belief system which you have been conditioned (and that's the nice word) into believing about yourself and others.

THINK! Not doublethink! And should I say that I am far ahead of you?! That is no idle boast and I do not say "just so you know I boast in Christ not of myself" as the excuse.
I admit I am a very prideful arrogant bombastic prick sometimes, Im human, Im working on it. What you dont know (possibly becuase I havent told you) is that I have been in direct contact with tsarion via email. And I very nearly signed up. Meaning I was more than open to cast away what I believed for a new truth, or the real truth, but I was not convinced, it was not through fear, but through wisdom and decernment and the holyspirt that prevented me from doing so. This is why I knwo where you are at, and why quite rightly you do knowwhere I have been. You still havent answered my question about having ever recieved Christ as saviour at any stage in your life yet, why is that? Its only a yes or no answer?

[tjohn]

Ha. Quite right

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

However, it would also seem that Einstein was not an atheist, since he also complained about being put into that camp:He just said he wasn't an atheist!

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."

"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God." Albert was indeed an intelligent man, yet he admits he doesn't know it all and shows some humility - not like some religious people on here.

[bensonz]

QUOTE=element;791419]I think you're a funny chap!!!!!

Do I take that as a compliment as in funny ha ha, or funny in the head?

Isn't there this great quote ''No one can make you feel inferior without your consent'' ? ;)

If you have read some of my posts you I will see that I am far from an inferirity complex dude

]1,Beliefs are often false, not all of them obviously.

So are teeth, and?

]2,Or all of them are false, since you only know a small thing that might be true, but you don't know all, so the belief is still false!

I suppose you are refering to that small thing the bible that you often quote to back up your arguments?

]Depends how you look at it I guess..

Wrong, It doesnt matter how one looks at truth, it is still truth, regardless of personal opinion



But your not a bad fish are you?

No I am not a bad fish, niether are you, but I have already been caught by the fisher of men himself, The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Now that deserves a standing O, at the very least a hearty round of applause.
Thank U thank U very much, I'll be here all week.

[bensonz]

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html
He just said he wasn't an atheist!

Albert was indeed an intelligent man, yet he admits he doesn't know it all and shows some humility - not like some religious people on here.

Okay, so Eisnstien isnt an atheist thanks eisnstein, moving on :rolleyes:

Ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth...ring any bells? Eisnstrein was an illumitai shill.

There is a way that seems right to a man but in the end it leads to death: Ring any bells?


However, it would also seem that Einstein was not an atheist, since he also complained about being put into that camp: (WTF yeah right like this proves he isnt an atheits, think before you post mate, your making yourself look daft. And I know you arent)Permission to delete that granted and I will delted it aswell, hurry up.

[comawhite015]

*streaks through thread naked*

[bensonz]

Ahhh, hows the serenity - not a sound.

[tjohn]

I admit I am a very prideful arrogant bombastic prick sometimes, Im human, Im working on it. What you dont know (possibly becuase I havent told you) is that I have been in direct contact with tsarion via email. And I very nearly signed up. Meaning I was more than open to cast away what I believed for a new truth, or the real truth, but I was not convinced, it was not through fear, but through wisdom and decernment and the holyspirt that prevented me from doing so. This is why I know where you are at, and why quite rightly you do know where I have been. You still havent answered my question about having ever recieved Christ as saviour at any stage in your life yet, why is that? Its only a yes or no answer?Can't remember you asking me that. Yes I received Christ, got baptised, full of Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, gifts of discernment and all. I can still speak in tongues if I choose but as before, no-one would understand but me, in a sort of way. It's a bit like you want to say something but can't find the words to express it. Right? Then what is the point in doing that in front of other people? I still have the spirit of love in my heart (in religious terms, Holy Spirit) but now it's more genuine and I still have 'gifts' in discernment of 'spirits' and so on.

So what happened to me? I grew up and "put away childish things" such as religion is. Ironically it was the bible that started my journey away from religion.

I now realise that much (not all) of the bible isn't true but is a distorted interpretation of much earlier writings. I now realise that God is not someone who was flying around in a cloud in the sky, such as the Hebrews followed. I now realise that the god of the Hebrews is not God but a cruel, boastful, jealous 'god' or 'gods' (ETs) that destroyed nations, including children and babies.

I now realise that religion itself is a deception and I now realise that the story about "Christ" is a metaphor for something else and yes, sunshine does have something to do with it. Perhaps on a sunny day you will think about it. Perhaps you will think about the warmth and the light on a sunny day. Think about the smiles on a sunny day. Think about the feeling of peace we get with people when the sun shines. Then compare this with the self-righteousness and pride found in religion.

Then I would say that the material creation itself came about through photons - messengers of light, just as the sun is (which itself isn't God). That's what the true story about 'Christ' (or Christ Consciousness) means and it has a lot to do with love.

Then you must know Sunshine, that we can have the sunshine in our heart :) ... and what you would call Holy Spirit is the light and the warmth that light and sunshine brings. Then can't 'non-believers' have the warmth and love and 'sunshine' in their heart? I hope that this summer you will begin to see things more clearly.

I now realise that 'Jesus' as depicted in the Bible, did not exist as a real person. I now realise that God is not a man called Jesus who went up into the sky but the sun rises every day.

At last I don't see 'non-believers' as evil 'sinners' and in many respects religious people have a much worse attitude with their boastful pride and self-righteousness than those without religious beliefs.

At last I don't have any fear of being punished by God whatsoever, nor can I be bribed by any promise of 'heaven.' At last I know myself and I don't need religion to tell me right from wrong.

At last I know I'm not a bad guy (or a sinner) and I have no desire to be so, nor do I have to try to be 'better' than what I am or anyone else. At last I am at peace with myself and I'm free! :)

Now, what does your bible say about truth setting us free?

[bensonz]

Can't remember you asking me that. Yes I received Christ, got baptised, full of Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, gifts of discernment and all. I can still speak in tongues if I choose but as before, no-one would understand but me, in a sort of way. It's a bit like you want to say something but can't find the words to express it. Right? Then what is the point in doing that in front of other people? I still have the spirit of love in my heart (in religious terms, Holy Spirit) but now it's more genuine and I still have 'gifts' in discernment of 'spirits' and so on.

So what happened to me? I grew up and "put away childish things" such as religion is. Ironically it was the bible that started my journey away from religion.

I now realise that much (not all) of the bible isn't true but is a distorted interpretation of much earlier writings. I now realise that God is not someone who was flying around in a cloud in the sky, such as the Hebrews followed. I now realise that the god of the Hebrews is not God but a cruel, boastful, jealous 'god' or 'gods' (ETs) that destroyed nations, including children and babies.

I now realise that religion itself is a deception and I now realise that the story about "Christ" is a metaphor for something else and yes, sunshine does have something to do with it. Perhaps on a sunny day you will think about it. Perhaps you will think about the warmth and the light on a sunny day. Think about the smiles on a sunny day. Think about the feeling of peace we get with people when the sun shines.

Then I would say that the material creation itself came about through photons - messengers of light, just as the sun is (which itself isn't God). That's what the true story about 'Christ' (or Christ Consciousness) means and it has a lot to do with love.

Then you must know Sunshine, that we can have the 'sunshine' in our heart :) ... and what you would call Holy Spirit is the light. Then can't 'non-believers' also have the warmth and love in their heart? I hope that this summer you will begin to see things more clearly.

I now realise that 'Jesus' as depicted in the Bible, did not exist as a real person. I now realise that God is not a man called Jesus who went up into the sky but the sun rises every day.

At last I don't see 'non-believers' as evil 'sinners' and in many respects religious people have a much worse attitude with their boastful pride and self-righteousness than those without religious beliefs.

At last I don't have any fear of being punished by God whatsoever, nor can I be bribed by any promise of 'heaven.' At last I know myself and I don't need religion to tell me right from wrong.

At last I know I'm not a bad guy (or a sinner) and I have no desire to be so, nor do I have to try to be 'better' than what I am or anyone else. At last I am at peace with myself and I'm free! :)

Now, what does your bible say about truth setting us free?

Thanks for being honest, your saved which means your okay, can you stop being a stumbling block to some other poor soul from getting saved please. Shame on you. This is a period in the wilderness for you, the Lord wont let you stay in it for long, He who started a good work in your will bring it to completion. ANd belive me where you are now, is a diversion not a part of that good work.

As far as Charasmatic chaos and speaking in tongues, I never fell for that bollocks. Any bible student worth his salt knows that when that which is perfect has come IE the complete canon of scripture, these things would not be needed. Ive told you before the bible is a book, the word of God, not are religeon. Dont throw the baby out with the bath water.

Astala shundai, mistibishi hyudai untie a bowtie

[tjohn]

Thanks for being honest, your saved which means your okay, can you stop being a stumbling block to some other poor soul from getting saved please. Shame on you. This is a period in the wilderness for youNo, no, no. This is a period in the wilderness for you! In regard to a 'stumbling block' it is religion that is the stumbling block.

[bensonz]

No, no, no. This is a period in the wilderness for you! In regard to a 'stumbling block' it is religion that is the stumbling block.


Your are preaching that people do not need Christ as saviour, and that he is a fignment of the imagination, Illuminti DISINF - Masonic doctrine aswell. SATANIC

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg2125.htm

[bensonz]

No, no, no. This is a period in the wilderness for you! In regard to a 'stumbling block' it is religion that is the stumbling block.


Why do you keep using the word religeon, I am using the bible as my text, again this is not religeon, if you are going to DISINF your own DISINF, you a cant even be reasoned with man???

Heres that little dictionary again

religion 

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

tjohn - you qualify


2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons

tjohn you qualify

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:.


tjohn you qualify - you are relgious, what you belive is a religion, so stop being childish considering you told me you had put away childish things. Unless you want to continue to lie, which is your right, everything you believe is lies, from the father of all lies anyway. So why would I be surprised that you to are a liar.

the thing that makes me so sad, is that you think I am lost, and havent been awakened yet. Oh I clever the wicked one is.

EVER heard of the word False Prophets, there will be many in the end times, be not decieved'''

IE I will respect your point of view, you respect mine and we wont butt in on others threads or converstaion directly to each other, agreed?

Brother, I think we need to let each other alone now, do you agree??

[bensonz]

Yes I received Christ, got baptised, full of Holy Spirit,

the story about "Christ" is a metaphor for something else
Perhaps on a sunny day you will think about it. Perhaps you will think about the warmth and the light on a sunny day. Think about the smiles on a sunny day. Think about the feeling of peace we get with people when the sun shines.

Brother lovely sentiments, that reveals a lovely side of your nature, very poetic, but nothing more.


Then I would say that the material creation itself came about through photons - messengers of light, just as the sun is (which itself isn't God). That's what the true story about 'Christ' (or Christ Consciousness) means and it has a lot to do with love.

God is love, for God so loved the wolrd that he sent his only son to die so that no one would perish. God is also Just, He is sovereign, above all things, and it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God, those with out Christ as saviourt, had better darn well fear him and buck there ideas up and get saved, and I make no appology for saying that. All wisdom start through the fear of the lord. One must first realise that one is lost, this is the first part of the awakening, in order to be found. Stop looking for God, it is not he who is lost. ( I speack in general, not to you) I dont knwo about you but I am always deeply touched by a man or woman who admitts there falts, SO his God. NA yet, most would need there legs broken before they would bend there knee to him and humble themselves. Right now we are in the age of grace. God is a gentleman, he waits to be invited, but he does stand at the door and knock, will anybody hear his voice and let him in. The age of Grace is soon to come to an end. (Suggestion, do some study on dispensationalism, it will be like haveing the bible in large screen technicolour, isntead of in black and white, you will be able to see it in its intirelt, rightly dividing the word of truth.


Then you must know Sunshine, that we can have the sunshine in our heart :) ... and what you would call Holy Spirit is the light and the warmth that light and sunshine brings.

Again a beautiful sentiment, poetic touching, nothing more

Then can't 'non-believers' have the warmth and love and 'sunshine' in their heart?

I dont know, you wil have to ask them, obvioulsy the sun shines on us all be they good or evil.


I hope that this summer you will begin to see things more clearly.

Very nice of you to say, however I am not the one here who is blinded through looking into the sun too much.


I now realise that 'Jesus' as depicted in the Bible, did not exist as a real person.

THIS IS A SATANIC EVIL STATEMENT

At last I don't see 'non-believers' as evil 'sinners' and in many respects religious people have a much worse attitude with their boastful pride and self-righteousness than those without religious beliefs.

Yo t I don't have any fear of being punished by God whatsoever,

Becuase you are saved, through faith in Christ, you are sealed, that can and will never be taken from you, even if you deny Christ as you are doing now

nor can I be bribed by any promise of 'heaven.' At last I know myself and I don't need religion to tell me right from wrong.

Im glad you have come to this. I confess that I too found my true love for God and my true understanding of him, oustide of the church, however this new found freedom of mine is not contrary to the bible, you could in essence call what I have found to be true Christianity in action, but it took a non demoniational non church approach for me to find it. And in fact the many of the wonderful people hwo helped me find it, do not belive in the bible at all, either, but they do live it. I too discovered who what was being taught and preached in many (not all) churches is far from biblical and many admit, why the whole penticostal movement admit, Even pentecostal preachers have said to my face they agree that they do does not line up with scripture. Mate, I have been Baptised three time and was heading for a fourth, when I finally realised something was serioulst seriouly wrong wrong with "Organised Religeon" Mainly becuase when I moved from denomiation to another the pastor would not accept my baptism, as biblical in light of "doctrinal denominational conflict, so you could say I have been through the religoue organised religeon mill. But this was all foolish mans faukt, not God, and I still hild fiorm to the bible being Gods word to us. I mean good God, if he can creat the universe it is not inconcievabkle that he could write to us and tell us whats going on and preserve it through out he ages, inspite of stans attempts to detroy it. DSatan is the most religeous being of all, he knows the scripture aswell and he ow how to cast doubt with it. Christ quoted scripture at satn, even he did not enbeyr into debates with him, which is why will wihdrwa from any fruther debate wth you, my good man.


At last I know I'm not a bad guy (or a sinner) and I have no desire to be so, nor do I have to try to be 'better' than what I am or anyone else. At last I am at peace with myself and I'm free! :)

Brother if as you say you have received Christ as saviour, thi smakes you a saint. Im so glad you are at peace, atthat is exactly what God wants for all of us. The chruch made me feel less than unworthy, unclean, a dirty wrotten sinner saved by grace, but brother all have sinned and fallen short OF THE GLORY OF GOD, ther is none righteous, not even one. ACCEPT th elord Jesus Christ.

Bro God created the earth before he created the sun, for the very reason that he didnt want us worshipping the suin, careful not to go to far wit that.

Now, what does your bible say about truth setting us free?

Your bible, please, what are you an alien from another planet or something now.

If you confess your sins he is faithful and just to forgive your rom sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness. As far as the east is from the west I will remeber your sins no more, there is therfor no codnemnation for those who are in christ jesus, ALL things work for good to those who live th elord and are called accroding to his purposes.

I find complete rest and freedom in that right there. NAd there are 1000 more, in your bible.

Now thats a very preachy post from me, but I feel it was invited, when asked what my bible says

[dlb2007]

Also more importantly what does an atheist scream when they cum?

Oh My Self.

[comawhite015]

Oh My Self.

Nonsense, I've made plenty of guys scream my name.

[tjohn]

Your are preaching that people do not need Christ as saviour, and that he is a fignment of the imagination, Illuminti DISINF - Masonic doctrine aswell. SATANIC

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg2125.htmWhat sort of people chose which books to put into the Bible? Do some research! The bible was put together by people connected to the Masons! Then it goes back thousands of years and the bible was designed to hide stuff by using symbolic language or changing words and meanings. Do some research!

[element]

Your are preaching that people do not need Christ as saviour, and that he is a fignment of the imagination, Illuminti DISINF - Masonic doctrine aswell. SATANIC

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg2125.htm

Why would he be a Illuminati disinfor agent? Shouldn't you respect his belief, like you tell others to respect yours?

Don't tell me you're another one of those who think every other religion, faith, philosophy, people...outside the Bible are eeeeeeviiiiiillllllll.

tut...tut, here's one for you, a Present..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWbUj3g4Qp8

[tjohn]

Your bible, please, what are you an alien from another planet or something now. I thought you said that we shouldn't be talking to each other. Actually, I am partly ET and so are you.

If you confess your sins he is faithful and just to forgive your rom sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness. As far as the east is from the west I will remeber your sins no more, there is therfor no codnemnation for those who are in christ jesus, ALL things work for good to those who live the lord and are called accroding to his purposes. What sins! The sin of thinking independently? The sin of being concerned for people instead of condemning them and calling them 'sinners'? The idea that we are born sinners that need to be 'saved'? That's just one of the means they use to control people minds.

I find complete rest and freedom in that right there. NAd there are 1000 more, in your bible.My bible now... you must be part ET then.

Now thats a very preachy post from me, but I feel it was invited, when asked what my bible saysNo, it wasn't invited. You have no idea what you are dealing with, in regard to religion, the bible, or me.

[the itinerant shrubber]

I'm an atheist but people wrongly assume that because I'm an atheist,I completely disregard the possibility of conciseness after death,spirituality etc. and refuse to explore such possibilities which I dont.
Just shows how fucking stupid and blinkered theists are.

I had a Jehova's witness knock on my door the other week where we spent about an hour discussing religion and why I was an atheist. Eventually he made his excuses and left instead of vice-versa. :D In the end he couldn't answer me and was defeated in the face of rationalism.

[armoured_amazon]

I'm an atheist but people wrongly assume that because I'm an atheist,I completely disregard the possibility of conciseness after death,spirituality etc. and refuse to explore such possibilities which I dont.
Just shows how fucking stupid and blinkered theists are.

I had a Jehova's witness knock on my door the other week where we spent about an hour discussing religion and why I was an atheist. Eventually he made his excuses and left instead of vice-versa. :D In the end he couldn't answer me and was defeated in the face of rationalism.

No it just goes to show empty atheist vessels make the most noise.

Oops, I mean, fucking stupid blinkered atheist vessels.

[the itinerant shrubber]

No it just goes to show empty atheist vessels make the most noise.

Oops, I mean, fucking stupid blinkered atheist vessels.

As I recall it was the religious person knocking on MY door not me knocking on his.:rolleyes:

[tjohn]

Its way to late to take the moral spiritual high ground now tjohn.

I know you (in a sense) by what you write on the threads, people reveal a great deal of who they are on these forums, probably more so than to their friends and even family, I dont talk about any of these views to family friends and workmates, if I did most of them would probaly roll their eyes and tell me to shut the fuck up, which you are also quite welcome to do as well. There is an ignore button I belive, or maybe that's just blind fath on my part. Notice that I have never told you to "shut the fuck up" - in fact I have never said those words to anyone on here. Then it may surprise you Benson, that I cannot take your efforts to insult me seriously enough to use those words but I do take your dilemma of blind faith seriously. I am atually defending myself and my beliefs againts what you are preaching, I think if you look through any of my threads I am seldom if ever preaching, unless you consider posting scripture as preaching. I call that posting a biblical fact. Bibical is seldom fact, sometimes it is. You on the other hand have come bounding into this thread after mocking my bliefs in another threadI have not mocked you and have never used ad-hominem. Yes I present challenges to your beliefs and you take this as mocking your beliefs. In other words no matter how logical an argument is, you are scared to consider a point of view that does not fit with what you think is the truth. (probably becuase you where holding a resentment againts me (and proceeded to try to prove the existance of god to a Atheist on a thread, started by me, to find out what atheist believe. I hold no resentment towards you at the moment and such an idea is in your mind, not mine.That is hpocrisiy mate. Look it up in the dictionary, great little book, I highly recommend it, it has the meanings of words in it, or did the illuminati write that to control us aswell?Yes they did have input into the meaning of words as written in the dictionary. Look, I only decended to your level of attacking the messanger when you attacked me. Descended to my level??? When did I attack you?? Happy to applogise if you can show me where I am wrong.I have shown you several times but you refuse to listen.Fair enough, I wont attack the messenger any more,lol Now you admit it? however the message that satan was trying to save us, is rediculous in the extreme.Did I say that?? Let me check. Nope. And the message that the bible was written by illuminati to control the masses is even more rediculous. You wouldn't know while you are under the infuence, now would you. And Im sorry but when this type of messenger then attempts to use scripture to prove his argument, well, it is very,very hard to resist the temptation to Say, "What a total and utterly insane lunatic!". I wouldn't say that. But I can say I know you are confused.

[boneduster]

are you masterbating...?

i am

[tjohn]

I'm an atheist but people wrongly assume that because I'm an atheist,I completely disregard the possibility of conciseness after death,spirituality etc. and refuse to explore such possibilities which I dont.
Just shows how fucking stupid and blinkered theists are.

I had a Jehova's witness knock on my door the other week where we spent about an hour discussing religion and why I was an atheist. Eventually he made his excuses and left instead of vice-versa. :D In the end he couldn't answer me and was defeated in the face of rationalism.I am not an atheist but we would likely get on much better than with self-righteous religionists. I love it when JW's or Mormons or other religious people knock on my door. I like a discussion and insist that it has to be two way. Then it's not like I want to defeat them but they always are. I used to be a JW (and can beat them at their own game if I wish) but that was about 40 years ago and I have changed a lot since then.

Add-on. I had an interesting discussion in a cafe' with a Christian who is interested in astronomy. He kept butting in with Christian dogma but I could see in his face that what I said meant something to him. We parted with no ill feelings at all so that was good. :-)

[tjohn]

i amThat must be a sin. Don't go blind now. lol

[the itinerant shrubber]

I am not an atheist but we would likely get on much better than with self-righteous religionists. I love it when JW or the Mormons or any other religious people knock on my door. I like a discussion and I insist that it has to be two way. Then it's not like I want to defeat them but they always are.

I actually find religious people generally more interesting to talk to because they are thinking outside the bubble compared to most people,even it is misguided. With a religious person,you can talk about such things such as the NWO and they will be open to it and I love having any kind of esoteric discussion/debate.
The guy was intelligent and knowledgable and I actually told him I relish these rare opportunity for discusion.He even said he might come back another time and I said next time,I'll put the kettle on.
A theist is more likely to have a proper debate with someone who calls themselves an atheist than someone who has put no though into any of it,is totally absorbed in their own petty world and will probably just slam the door in their face.

[tjohn]

No it just goes to show empty atheist vessels make the most noise.

Oops, I mean, fucking stupid blinkered atheist vessels.Judgemental or what?

[tjohn]

Why would he be a Illuminati disinfor agent? Shouldn't you respect his belief, like you tell others to respect yours?

Don't tell me you're another one of those who think every other religion, faith, philosophy, people...outside the Bible are eeeeeeviiiiiillllllll.
Thank-you, element! :)

tut...tut, here's one for you, a Present..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWbUj3g4Qp8Now that would confuse him but not if he dares to think outside his blind religiousness.

[tjohn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QJ82NpMFoE&e

[tjohn]

Not seen the film but posted by intuition...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN5TgLTZjnkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCyKFZv9Oc

[tjohn]

*streaks through thread naked*That might be a good idea!

Benson(z) are you ashamed of revealing your true self? I am not.