10 years jail term if you photograpgh police

[vienna]

http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=836675

The relationship between photographers and police could worsen next month when new laws are introduced that allow for the arrest - and imprisonment - of anyone who takes pictures of officers 'likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism'.

Set to become law on 16 February, the Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 amends the Terrorism Act 2000 regarding offences relating to information about members of armed forces, a member of the intelligence services, or a police officer.

The new set of rules, under section 76 of the 2008 Act and section 58A of the 2000 Act, will target anyone who 'elicits or attempts to elicit information about (members of armed forces) ... which is of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism'.

A person found guilty of this offence could be liable to imprisonment for up to 10 years, and to a fine.

[lawrence_connor]

Crazy. :rolleyes: What's the world coming to.

[krakhead]

That's fucking horrifying! As an keen (albeit very amateur) photographer myself this really worries me :(

[matematika]

This is insane! So next step is to pay a fine or go to jail for looking at some buildings because you might be a terrorist planing an attack.

[limelady]

Well its all over folks!

UK Police are now at liberty to use brutality on public citizens any time they want (or are ordered to), and anybody obtaining photographic evidence of their crimes can expect up to 10 years in jail.

Welcome to the New World Order. :mad:

[eric_blair]

Id like to see this in court, their justification is based on terri0rist threats to the police and military, but what happened to innocent before proven guilty?
Are they suggesting any photograph that "could be used for terri0rism in the future" is illegal? Are they suggesting that any person however innocent could become a terri0rist in the future? we're edging toward thought crime.

This has made the headlines and might be good as a generic frightener but surely this could not stand up in a public court of law? Would the Police need to prove there was criminal motivation for taking the picture or would the photographer have to prove their innocence?

They spend so much time and resource monitoring us yet are clearly petrified at the thought of anyone monitoring them
:p

[eric_blair]

Well its all over folks!

UK Police are now at liberty to use brutality on public citizens any time they want (or are ordered to), and anybody obtaining photographic evidence of their crimes can expect up to 10 years in jail.

Welcome to the New World Order. :mad:

Im afraid your right:mad:

[leviathanstaar]

The people of the UK have a decision to make.

Fail to resist this first high level overt test and you do not want to be in the UK anymore.
Not only has your subversion gone so quietly your lives are irritating to no end, but your continued tolerance of main stream media sources and local politiciants has not gone unnoticed.

Many of you are showing incredible bravery as you are surrounded by sleepers, and now even more will be asked of you.

Unless you plan to live and breathe anti-police state/nwo
get the out of the uk if this passes.

[armoured_amazon]

The people of the UK have a decision to make.

Fail to resist this first high level overt test and you do not want to be in the UK anymore.
Not only has your subversion gone so quietly your lives are irritating to no end, but your continued tolerance of main stream media sources and local politiciants has not gone unnoticed.

Many of you are showing incredible bravery as you are surrounded by sleepers, and now even more will be asked of you.

Unless you plan to live and breathe anti-police state/nwo
get the out of the uk if this passes.

Good post!

[john connor]

The people of the UK have a decision to make.

Fail to resist this first high level overt test and you do not want to be in the UK anymore.
Not only has your subversion gone so quietly your lives are irritating to no end, but your continued tolerance of main stream media sources and local politiciants has not gone unnoticed.

Many of you are showing incredible bravery as you are surrounded by sleepers, and now even more will be asked of you.

Unless you plan to live and breathe anti-police state/nwo
get the out of the uk if this passes.

And go where exactly? my wife is trying to get me to move back to the US with her...California...frying pan and fire springs to mind..pretty soon we are going to HAVE to make a last stand somewhere..Im just debating where to make it...

[armoured_amazon]

And go where exactly? my wife is trying to get me to move back to the US with her...California...frying pan and fire springs to mind..pretty soon we are going to HAVE to make a last stand somewhere..Im just debating where to make it...

That's the hard part. The only places I can think of are far away and none of my family would come. :(

[belial]

This will only happen if you let them.

TPTB are slowly but surely fucking us over and we just stand back and moan about it. The Police are prepared to use violence against us and have the cheek to call it 'enforcement' and 'the law'. Fuck 'em.

It's time to show them who's boss. Ask yourselves: who pay's their wages in the form of councial tax? We own them... not the other way round. By paying council tax you are funding this mafia organisation known as 'The Police'.

People blindly pay their taxes every month and don't question how corrupt the Police have become. The Police are a 'service'... isn't it funny how we don't have the right to question how good or poor this 'service' is?

Remember the Police protect themselves and the government... not you.

[ianw]

It reads like crap jernalisim, are police the (members of armed forces)in a court room a solicitor may argue so.Ask the police federation if that is what they are, armed force,police force we know they are a force with arms.But unlike the milatary only a small persentage have fire arms training,I do realise they also have acess to trunsions,so does half the population.

[Anders Lindman]

Famous people can apply for a job as a police officer and then the paparazzis will less likely bother them. :rolleyes:

[eric_blair]

http://marcvallee.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/240109_marcvallee_gaza_protest_blog_1.jpg?

"LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM - 24.01.09. A Metropolitan Police Forward Intelligence Team sergeant grabs hold of a press photographer’s camera on a Gaza protest against the BBC on Saturday 24th January 2009 in London, England. Justin Tallis, a London based freelance photographer and NUJ and BPPA member, was photographing the anti-BBC protest. The BBC had refused to broadcast a charity appeal to raise emergency funds for people in the Gaza Strip. (Photo by Marc Vallée/marcvallee.co.uk) (c) Marc Vallée, 2009.

“Another press photographer threatened by police” - British Journal of Photography.

Images: “Surveillance Police grab Press Photographers Camera on Gaza anti-BBC Protest - 24.01.09″

Justin Tallis tells us what happened in his own words,

The police officer said “let me have a look at that picture.” I said, “No”. The police officer then said, “You’re not allowed to take photos of police officers”. I then said, “Don’t be ridiculous of course I can take pictures of police officers”. The police officer then tried to take my camera from me. After a bit of time I think the police officer realised he was in the wrong trying to forcibly take my equipment from me. He then got very close to me, way into my personal space, and said again “you shouldn’t have taken that photo you were intimidating me”. I think that if Marc had not been there taking these photos the situation could have ended very differently"

http://marcvallee.wordpress.com/

[darketernal]

I've yet to see one UK citizen in this thread say, "I refuse to have this tyranny over my life. Such a law is a violation of my free will, and I refuse to comply or accept it or those making it as my masters or leaders." (or something similar), that being said, clearly you desire it, and they are, as always benevolent dictators doing exactally what you have given them permission to do.

If you don't like it, say no to it. Stop giving them permission to rule your lives as livestock.

[fnulnu]

I've yet to see one UK citizen in this thread say, "I refuse to have this tyranny over my life. Such a law is a violation of my free will, and I refuse to comply or accept it or those making it as my masters or leaders." (or something similar), that being said, clearly you desire it, and they are, as always benevolent dictators doing exactally what you have given them permission to do.

If you don't like it, say no to it. Stop giving them permission to rule your lives as livestock.

In the other four or so threads on this,we very much did express such a sentiment.Also,remember that very few people type their deeper thoughts/intentions on the internet.Do we need to type things on the David Icke forum,for TPTB to acknowledge our dissent officially?
I would be concerned if that were the case.

[cruise4]

Some of us are way past expressing our position. They are coming and we are getting ready to greet them. I remember and read all about WW2, the Gestapo and the SS. I have no illusions what these scum are capable of. This country, the Police and Army and Government, Law, institutions and establishment are an insult to those who went before them, an insult to God and traitors to their own families, let alone humanity at large.

[armoured_amazon]

In the other four or so threads on this,we very much did express such a sentiment.

+1

[eric_blair]

http://current.com/items/89741422/covering_climate_camp_part_two.htm

blatant intimidation tactics at work :mad:

more
http://current.com/items/89612620/police_obstruction_of_journalists_at_london_greek_ embassy_protest.htm

[eric_blair]

+1

+2
;)

[armoured_amazon]

:)

[belial]

This video has been posted before, but is relevant to this thread...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UXk4nLIv5jo

The question is... what will you do about it when the totally corrupt Police stop you for filming them?

They will use violence to enforce their government agenda.

What will you do in return?

[anthony65]

This video has been posted before, but is relevant to this thread...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UXk4nLIv5jo

The question is... what will you do about it when the totally corrupt Police stop you for filming them?

They will use violence to enforce their government agenda.

What will you do in return?

Using violence against the police is walking straight into the trap that is being prepared.

Violent reactions are just what they want.

What about a piss taking demonstration where everyone carries a camera!

Contact all the photographic journals, freelance press organizations, whatever.

This is another chance to ge more "mainstream" people and organizations aware of the fascist trend in the UK.

"The Right to Take a Photogragh" Demo.

[keithm]

big tough guys these politicians,cowarding behind their security forces.

[krakhead]

Using violence against the police is walking straight into the trap that is being prepared.

Violent reactions are just what they want.

What about a piss taking demonstration where everyone carries a camera!

Contact all the photographic journals, freelance press organizations, whatever.

This is another chance to ge more "mainstream" people and organizations aware of the fascist trend in the UK.

"The Right to Take a Photogragh" Demo.

Fantastic idea! :D

[redhead]

Using violence against the police is walking straight into the trap that is being prepared.

Violent reactions are just what they want.

What about a piss taking demonstration where everyone carries a camera!

Contact all the photographic journals, freelance press organizations, whatever.

This is another chance to ge more "mainstream" people and organizations aware of the fascist trend in the UK.

"The Right to Take a Photogragh" Demo.



Correct answer my friend, keep a look out for the ones advising violence for they are not what they seem, or are just to stupid to see the real aganda.

The only time to use violence is if you or your loved ones are in clear and present danger and your lives are at risk, that time is not here yet, this is only the begining.

Let the currupt ones lay all there cards on the table first as there blatent show of force will arouse even the most sleepy.



PEACE

[anthony65]

Fantastic idea! :D

Cheers!

One of the most amazing demonstrations I remember seeing was the old ladies down on the south coast blockading the live animal transports.

God, those old biddies were wonderful!

And how did the police look? :rolleyes:

[anthony65]

Correct answer my friend, keep a look out for the ones advising violence for they are not what they seem, or are just to stupid to see the real aganda.

The only time to use violence is if you or your loved ones are in clear and present danger and your lives are at risk, that time is not here yet, this is only the begining.

Let the currupt ones lay all there cards on the table first as there blatent show of force will arouse even the most sleepy.



PEACE

Thanks Redhead! :)

[eric_blair]

This video has been posted before, but is relevant to this thread...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UXk4nLIv5jo

The question is... what will you do about it when the totally corrupt Police stop you for filming them?

They will use violence to enforce their government agenda.

What will you do in return?


Thanks, I haven't seen some of those before, the PCSO losing it was funny
"shut up" :D

[belial]

Using violence against the police is walking straight into the trap that is being prepared.

What 'trap'?

The 'trap' of actually paying for the Police to exist through 'Council Tax'?

Violence breeds violence... never forget this fact.

Also... never forget that ***YOU*** pay for the Police as a service.


And what do you get in return?...

... look at the title of this thread, mate.

[Anders Lindman]

Alex Jones recommended that people should have video cameras with them. With a prison sentence of 10 years people in the truth movement will be effectively prevented from taking their cameras with them.

[tyler]

Last year I was stopped in the evening down in Catford. I was taking a photograph of a lovely old art deco theatre that I was acting in. I was standing on a traffic island taking the picture when a little fat community police warden tapped me on the shoulder and asked why I was taking a photo. I exploded at her and basically told her it was none of her business and there was no law against taking pictures in the street.
Only doing my job, she said!

What shite! Obviously they had all been told to question people taking photos to get us all used to being stopped for this "offence".

[anthony65]

What 'trap'?

The 'trap' of actually paying for the Police to exist through 'Council Tax'?

Violence breeds violence... never forget this fact.

Also... never forget that ***YOU*** pay for the Police as a service.


And what do you get in return?...

... look at the title of this thread, mate.

What trap?

The trap of civil unrest providing the government with the excuse to crack down with even more draconian laws (as in martial law).

The police are necessary. Unfortunately they are a potential tool for oppresive regimes, which we are currently witnessing in the UK.

But inside every uniform is a man or woman who I am not prepared to lump into one word "Police".

There are good cops and bad cops. I do know personally of some wonderful police officers, some of whom saved the life of one of my family.

There are also some right tossers. I also know of family members who were roughed up for no reason by the police.

The title of the thread refers to one of many lunatic / fascist laws which are passed by politicians and judges, not the police.

Violence breeds violence?

That's exactly my point.... :(

[Anders Lindman]

Imagine if only big television networks are allowed to film the police. :eek: All amateur video and photo reporting involving the police will lead to 10 years in prison!!! :eek:

[belial]

What trap?

The trap of civil unrest providing the government with the excuse to crack down with even more draconian laws (as in martial law).

The police are necessary. Unfortunately they are a potential tool for oppresive regimes, which we are currently witnessing in the UK.

But inside every uniform is a man or woman who I am not prepared to lump into one word "Police".

There are good cops and bad cops. I do know personally of some wonderful police officers, some of whom saved the life of one of my family.

There are also some right tossers. I also know of family members who were roughed up for no reason by the police.

The title of the thread refers to one of many lunatic / fascist laws which are passed by politicians and judges, not the police.

Violence breeds violence?

That's exactly my point.... :(


'Civil Unrest' is going to happen, my friend. :)

That is the nature of most human beings.


I wish there could be peace...
...TPTB will make sure this doesn't happen.

[real6]

Looks like ill have to take more video and pics of cops. fuck it

[Anders Lindman]

The article says: ...new laws are introduced that allow for the arrest - and imprisonment - of anyone who takes pictures of officers 'likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism'

This means that even CNN photographers can be sent to 10 years in prison.

JFK said: "Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control."

[anthony65]

Looks like ill have to take more video and pics of cops. fuck it

I just had a vision...

Did you ever see the film Ghandi...?

The scene where the peaceful protestory stand in a line to walk forward and get cracked on the head by the police.

I just saw the same with a line of people with cameras walking forward to take a photo of the police before bundled off by the boys and girls in blue... :(

Great Britain?

You're 'avin' a larf...

What a shitty perverse little fascist fuck hole it has become... :(

[real6]

I just had a vision...

Did you ever see the film Ghandi...?

The scene where the peaceful protestory stand in a line to walk forward and get cracked on the head by the police.

I just saw the same with a line of people with cameras walking forward to take a photo of the police before bundled off by the boys and girls in blue... :(

Great Britain?

You're 'avin' a larf...

What a shitty perverse little fascist fuck hole it has become... :(

FUnny i just saw that movie over the weekend on cable. That was crazy. Just standing there and CRACK!!!

[belial]

The article says: ...new laws are introduced that allow for the arrest - and imprisonment - of anyone who takes pictures of officers 'likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism'

This means that even CNN photographers can be sent to 10 years in prison.

JFK said: "Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control."

You make an interesting point.

So, technically, the MSM/Press, can now be arrested for filming/photographing the Police. How fucked up is this?

As Obama would say: "Time for change".

I say, "Time for change" on this oppresive government/TPTB.


Fear doesn't work here anymore.

Time to fight the NWO.

[Anders Lindman]

Here is another telling quote from JFK: "Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions."

Say hello to Stasi:

http://soilander.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/stasi.jpg

[Anders Lindman]

You make an interesting point.

So, technically, the MSM/Press, can now be arrested for filming/photographing the Police. How fucked up is this?

As Obama would say: "Time for change".

I say, "Time for change" on this oppresive government/TPTB.


Fear doesn't work here anymore.

Time to fight the NWO.

Even mainstream media may start to react when the arbitrary Stasi imitation gets out of hand, unless they are totally a part of the NWO agenda. :eek:

[Anders Lindman]

From the Stasi museum in Berlin:

http://fokussiert.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/stasi-knopflochkamera-wdroth.jpg

[redhead]

Heres some excerpts from a great speech by Martin Luther King, in fact this was his last speech before he was assasinated, he gave this the day before i think.


I feel the message in his words is to be heeded now, the time is right


Now, what does all of this mean in this great period of history? It means that we've got to stay together. We've got to stay together and maintain unity. You know, whenever Pharaoh wanted to prolong the period of slavery in Egypt, he had a favorite, favorite formula for doing it. What was that? He kept the salves fighting among themselves. But whenever the slaves get together, something happens in Pharaoh's court, and he cannot hold the slaves in slavery. When the slaves get together, that's the beginning of getting out of slavery. Now let us maintain unity.


We are masters in our nonviolent movement in disarming police forces; they don't know what to do, I've seen them so often. I remember in Birmingham, Alabama, when we were in that majestic struggle there we would move out of the 16th Street Baptist Church day after day; by the hundreds we would move out. And Bull Connor would tell them to send the dogs forth and they did come; but we just went before the dogs singing, "Ain't gonna let nobody turn me round." Bull Connor next would say, "Turn the fire hoses on." And as I said to you the other night, Bull Connor didn't know history. He knew a kind of physics that somehow didn't relate to the transphysics that we knew about. And that was the fact that there was a certain kind of fire that no water could put out. And we went before the fire hoses; we had known water.


We don't have to argue with anybody. We don't have to curse and go around acting bad with our words. We don't need any bricks and bottles, we don't need any Molotov cocktails, we just need to go around to these stores, and to these massive industries in our country, and say, "God sent us by here, to say to you that you're not treating his children right. And we've come by here to ask you to make the first item on your agenda fair treatment, where God's children are concerned. Now, if you are not prepared to do that, we do have an agenda that we must follow. And our agenda calls for withdrawing economic support from you.


Some food for thought folks.

[jesuitsdidit]

i would deliberately do it and go to court just to highlight this to the public..

[anthony65]

Heres some excerpts from a great speech by Martin Luther King, in fact this was his last speech before he was assasinated, he gave this the day before i think.


I feel the message in his words is to be heeded now, the time is right

Some food for thought folks.

I always hear MLKs voice booming in my head when I read his speeches. What a delivery the great man had, and he was absolutely right.

These are the kinds of words we need to hear right now.

They murdered Martin Luther King and they set up COINTELPRO to weaken and divide the civil rights movement.

But we remember Martin Luther King!

And we know the rules of COINTELPRO!

If anyone doesn't: learn them!

Know your enemy!

[vienna]

if anyone needed convincing that becoming a freeman of the land was a good idea this should now be it

remember this new 'law' is an act

as such, once you achieve your freeman status (or rather take back your natural rights under common law after they were taken away through your birth registration) they can impose as much statutes as they want - they will not apply to you as you are no longer a member of their 'society'

this is why the Freeman of the land thread on this site is vitaly important to all the issues you see on this board

its worth the time to explore it - if a thicko like me can get over the learning curve on this most people should

[jesuitsdidit]

as a general point i would suggest all who have the time to spread info from this forum with other truth forums and bring back anything interesting you find.
dont worry whether its relevant or not, its better to have it and read it than not..

[jesuitsdidit]

if anyone needed convincing that becoming a freeman of the land was a good idea this should now be it

remember this new 'law' is an act

as such, once you achieve your freeman status (or rather take back your natural rights under common law after they were taken away through your birth registration) they can impose as much statutes as they want - they will not apply to you as you are no longer a member of their 'society'

this is why the Freeman of the land thread on this site is vitaly important to all the issues you see on this board

its worth the time to explore it - if a thicko like me can get over the learning curve on this most people should

can you summarise in a few lines the central points pls..

[real6]

i would deliberately do it and go to court just to highlight this to the public..

i FEEL THE SAME WAY!!!

[vienna]

can you summarise in a few lines the central points pls..

blimey

ok in a nutshell and very superficially

when your birth was registered a legal entity called a 'person' was created

they use this 'person' to bring you into their legal system and use it to apply their statutes/acts to it

th e fact you have a birth cert/ NI number/ passport etc proves to them that you consented to be in their society

many freeman have uncovered this huge deception and claimed back their god given natural human being status and exist without the need for drivers licence, taxes etc and more improtantly the statues they are imposing now

they also found out that our birth certs are used to raise bonds on numbeing in the millions by the banks - without your knowledge

[Anders Lindman]

From the article: "Photography of buildings and areas from a public place is not an offence and is certainly not something the police wish to discourage. Nevertheless, in order to verify a person's actions as being entirely innocent, police officers are expected to engage and seek clarification where appropriate."

What ze fuc? Taking a picture in public a crime?! From the article: "an amateur photographer was stopped in Cleveland by police officers when taking pictures of ships. The photographer was asked if he had any terrorism connections and told that his details would be kept on file."

All tourists should be told that they must ask the police before taking any photograph. Including Japanese tourists. That should quickly put an end to this law/act. :D

[pduffy4]

This will only happen if you let them.

TPTB are slowly but surely fucking us over and we just stand back and moan about it. The Police are prepared to use violence against us and have the cheek to call it 'enforcement' and 'the law'. Fuck 'em.

It's time to show them who's boss. Ask yourselves: who pay's their wages in the form of councial tax? We own them... not the other way round. By paying council tax you are funding this mafia organisation known as 'The Police'.

People blindly pay their taxes every month and don't question how corrupt the Police have become. The Police are a 'service'... isn't it funny how we don't have the right to question how good or poor this 'service' is?

Remember the Police protect themselves and the government... not you.

All Police forces in the UK a private corporations. They are therefore not accountable to the public, they should be of course.

Watch the TheAntiTerrorist on Corporate Revenue Collection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVg4vA8mraA

[pduffy4]

The Police may not like what they are doing.

This is another good reason for the financial crisis, it makes the Police happy to have a job and they will think "Well, I don't like arresting law abiding citizens for taking pictures but I don't want to lose y job, car and home so feck it"

I am going to ontact my MP about this. Not that it will change anything but it may make him think when I mention the words Treachery and Treason as I will.

[pduffy4]

Well its all over folks!

UK Police are now at liberty to use brutality on public citizens any time they want (or are ordered to), and anybody obtaining photographic evidence of their crimes can expect up to 10 years in jail.

Welcome to the New World Order. :mad:

Indeed an excellent point you rais there which I had not thought of.

There is also the fact that if people are taking pictures where the Zionists do another Terrorist attack they don't want the public taking pictures that can prove the news and government are lying to us.

[pduffy4]

This oppressive new law just adds to the justification we in the UK have in seeking asylum somewhere in the World. The question is where? I was thinking of going to live in Africa with the mountain Gorillas, plenty of Bananas to eat and they are all you need for nutrition so I read.

Or a cave in Tibet or South America or get a green laser pointer like the UFO disclosure people do and try to signal a ET craft and claim asylum with them!

[trojan_scapegoat]

With this law, more atrocities like the Battle of the Beanfield will surely happen and be much more swiftly forgotten due to lack of evidence.

[pduffy4]

I've yet to see one UK citizen in this thread say, "I refuse to have this tyranny over my life. Such a law is a violation of my free will, and I refuse to comply or accept it or those making it as my masters or leaders." (or something similar), that being said, clearly you desire it, and they are, as always benevolent dictators doing exactally what you have given them permission to do.

If you don't like it, say no to it. Stop giving them permission to rule your lives as livestock.

don't worry darketernal I will be telling my MP where he can stick this law and all the other UNLAWFUL TYRANNY, very soon indeed. I intend to get my birth certificate stricken and become a freeman.

We need to get the freeman society up and running ASAP and start arresting our MPs. Even if they get released by the corrupt Police it will maybe make them think more clearly about what they are doing.

[anthony65]

This oppressive new law just adds to the justification we in the UK have in seeking asylum somewhere in the World. The question is where? I was thinking of going to live in Africa with the mountain Gorillas, plenty of Bananas to eat and they are all you need for nutrition so I read.

Or a cave in Tibet or South America or get a green laser pointer like the UFO disclosure people do and try to signal a ET craft and claim asylum with them!

You'd give a new definition to the term "UK asylum seeker"...

Maybe Iran or Cuba would welcome a few contrite Brits!

[fnulnu]

You'd give a new definition to the term "UK asylum seeker"...

Maybe Iran or Cuba would welcome a few contrite Brits!

lol based on ancestry,we could all figure out where we could get ourselves deported to.

[jesuitsdidit]

blimey

ok in a nutshell and very superficially

when your birth was registered a legal entity called a 'person' was created

they use this 'person' to bring you into their legal system and use it to apply their statutes/acts to it

th e fact you have a birth cert/ NI number/ passport etc proves to them that you consented to be in their society

many freeman have uncovered this huge deception and claimed back their god given natural human being status and exist without the need for drivers licence, taxes etc and more improtantly the statues they are imposing now

they also found out that our birth certs are used to raise bonds on numbeing in the millions by the banks - without your knowledge

thx..

[jesuitsdidit]

From the article: "Photography of buildings and areas from a public place is not an offence and is certainly not something the police wish to discourage. Nevertheless, in order to verify a person's actions as being entirely innocent, police officers are expected to engage and seek clarification where appropriate."

What ze fuc? Taking a picture in public a crime?! From the article: "an amateur photographer was stopped in Cleveland by police officers when taking pictures of ships. The photographer was asked if he had any terrorism connections and told that his details would be kept on file."

All tourists should be told that they must ask the police before taking any photograph. Including Japanese tourists. That should quickly put an end to this law/act. :D

the police have been told to do this so that they believe there is a real threat and so do we
they dont realise its all part of the agenda..

[pduffy4]

That's the hard part. The only places I can think of are far away and none of my family would come. :(

Don't worry I'll come with you:D

[jesuitsdidit]

There is also the fact that if people are taking pictures where the Zionists do another Terrorist attack they don't want the public taking pictures that can prove the news and government are lying to us.

good point..

[tyler]

With this law, more atrocities like the Battle of the Beanfield will surely happen and be much more swiftly forgotten due to lack of evidence.

Nice to have someone here who remembers that particular outrage! :)

[uloodara]

Fuck that! lol

This law doesnt apply to me :) Sorry I didnt read this thread too much but I think we should make our way to london with a cameras and as soon as one police officer tries to take ones camera...we quickly snap them hahah

:D

[jesuitsdidit]

I've yet to see one UK citizen in this thread say, "I refuse to have this tyranny over my life. Such a law is a violation of my free will, and I refuse to comply or accept it or those making it as my masters or leaders." (or something similar), that being said, clearly you desire it, and they are, as always benevolent dictators doing exactally what you have given them permission to do.

If you don't like it, say no to it. Stop giving them permission to rule your lives as livestock.

I refuse to have this tyranny over my life.
thats why i spend all my time on this..
thats why ive posted i would deliberately do it and go to court just to highlight this to the public..
thats why i've said enough is enough and that we must get much more vocal in our protestations
they clearly dont think the truth forums are enough of a threat
so we need to step up our activity
take it to the next level imo
dont take the flouridation of Southampton - it will open the door to the govt introducing it nationwide very quickly see my post prepare for Southampton Flouridation protests now. in News

[Anders Lindman]

the police have been told to do this so that they believe there is a real threat and so do we
they dont realise its all part of the agenda..

I can imagine that many police officers actually believe there are real terrorist threats. And to some extent there are always terrorist threats, but there have ALWAYS been terrorist threats, even thousands of years ago. As JFK said, that is no reason for moving into a Stasi society.

[whizzer]

I have to say this is absolutely sickening! Once again they are using TERRORISM! as an excuse for taking away our GOD GIVEN rights! I will be writing to my MP but that hardly satisfies my F@@KING rage! Its one thing after another with this government and I can't take much more!
I will also be quizzing my MP as to why our government is committing treason by signing away our sovereignty and yet Gordon Brown is not in shackles! but first I will have to brush up on my facts about the relevant parts of the Magna Carta to quote etc just to strengthen my case....ITS ON!!!:mad:

[marpat]

That will work when there are no prison spaces

[jesuitsdidit]

I refuse to have this tyranny over my life.
thats why i spend all my time on this..
thats why ive posted i would deliberately do it and go to court just to highlight this to the public..
thats why i've said enough is enough and that we must get much more vocal in our protestations
they clearly dont think the truth forums are enough of a threat
so we need to step up our activity
take it to the next level imo
dont take the flouridation of Southampton - it will open the door to the govt introducing it nationwide very quickly see my post prepare for Southampton Flouridation protests now. in News

they know time is running out and they are moving fast
if they havent got world-wide martial law by the end of this year they r finished imo
they know we r on to them
we must be smart
its not about taking to the streets (yet)
its much more about waking up the public

preaching to the converted on here isnt gonna do it
we have to get onto local radio.
write letters to newspapers
get onto the 'Question Time' if it comes to yr area and make a point/ask a question
stand in the street with a placard/ sandwich board saying " the New World Order = Totalitarian Fascism and its very near" talk to anyone who will stop
tell yr family and yr friends
ask yr MP to ask a question in the Commons
get a petition up demanding answers to flouridation, rendition, Common Purpose, FEMA camps, Titan jails, HAARP, all the assassinations we know about

[jesuitsdidit]

they know time is running out and they are moving fast
if they havent got world-wide martial law by the end of this year they r finished imo
they know we r on to them
we must be smart
its not about taking to the streets (yet)
its much more about waking up the public

preaching to the converted on here isnt gonna do it
we have to get onto local radio.
write letters to newspapers
get onto the 'Question Time' if it comes to yr area and make a point/ask a question
stand in the street with a placard saying " the New World Order = Totalitarian Fascism and its very near" talk to anyone who will stop
tell yr family and yr friends
ask yr MP to ask a question in the Commons
get a petition up demanding answers to flouridation, rendition, Common Purpose, FEMA camps, Titan jails, HAARP, all the assassinations we know about

form groups - find who on here lives near you and meet up, discuss
watch out for disinfo ppl, there r many on here
once youve got a small group going you can do much more
they want to keep us isolated but persevere

groups of 2 or 3 in each major city could do an enormous amount
but they wont make it easy 4 u
oh yes theyve been monitoring you all right, you can believe that..

[jesuitsdidit]

form groups - find who on here lives near you and meet up, discuss
watch out for disinfo ppl, there r many on here
once youve got a small group going you can do much more
they want to keep us isolated but persevere

groups of 2 or 3 in each major city could do an enormous amount
but they wont make it easy 4 u
oh yes theyve been monitoring you all right, you can believe that..

this isnt a game, i've said it b4
this requires skill and knowledge
it all comes down to one thing - waking up the public - do that and youve won..

[jesuitsdidit]

this isnt a game, i've said it b4
this requires skill and knowledge
it all comes down to one thing - waking up the public - do that and youve won..

i've tried to get on to radio and had my phone cut off (did succeed a couple of times b4 that but i wasnt really dangerous then coz i didnt hav all the facts)
you hav 2 b smart
once youve made up yr mind u r gonna do it tell as many as possible quickly so that if something happens ppl can join the dots
dont go on a talk radio show and then wait 2 weeks b4 telling anyone wot u r up 2 or u prob wont make it
i would tell at least 10 ppl b4 going on a radio show or acting in public and u shd tell them all within 24 hrs..

[jesuitsdidit]

once youve come out into the open you r protected to a degree but do it in the way i've suggested
as i say sitting on here and chatting aint gonna do it
they r moving fast and so must we
follow the advice i've given you - get the campaign going
i do not have 'freedom of movement' so i cant operate on the streets
but if i could, i would..

[elysiumfire]

This change to the current 2000 anti-terrorism laws invokes incredulity to the nth degree. To meet this draconian challenge head-on, we really do have to get smart, do the research, but above all...ask the right questions. Truly, without asking the 'right' questions, we lead ourselves into a merry old dance. We have to do the research, and trace back to when these laws were first introduced, question why they were introduced, who debated them, what the checks and balances are, who brought them to the table, how it affects the rights of the people, and so on?

It's going to be a slow process, but the gathering of the data should eventually take on a momentum of its own. To awaken the people of this country, it is necessary to show them a 'real' threat, to get them engaged through a sympathetic commitment to their future, and that of their children. In other words, we have to become gentle motivators.

The reason why these laws get passed is because they do not recieve adequate challenges. We no longer have a free press, so we cannot count on them to inform us prior. Journalism today, is not the voice of the people...so why are we all still listening to it? Why are we buying the papers, why are we subscribing to media that does not represent the society that we ourselves ideologically believe in? Hit them where it hurts, in the profits. Above all else...everything that is done in protest has to be done so well within legal definition. Peaceful rebellion (not violent rebellion) is the only way in which things will get turned around, but let us be quite clear on what it will take.

Once you go down the road of peaceful rebellion, you can expect harrassment and character assassination. You make of yourself a soft target, but you must persevere through fortitude and strength of character. Peaceful protestors usually end up getting their heads cracked...could you put up with this without responding in kind? The simple thing to do, certainly at the individual level, is to hit the economy by withdrawing your support...so that means doing without your favourite things and entertainment. Remember, individual peaceful rebellion is all about withdrawing your commitment and support to that which you now disagree with.

We all know that these changes in the anti-terrorism laws has nothing whatsoever to do with actual terrorism, but more about 'protectionism' for the various forces. The argument to be proven therefore is, do they enhance the liberty of the people or do they restrict it? If they restrict people's liberty, then it is obviously antithetical to our society it is supposed to protect. That is what is required to be argued and proved.

[jesuitsdidit]

i have done alot of posting in the last 36 hours on this
in case u werent aware..

[yozhik]

I have to say this is absolutely sickening! Once again they are using TERRORISM! as an excuse for taking away our GOD GIVEN rights! I will be writing to my MP but that hardly satisfies my F@@KING rage! Its one thing after another with this government and I can't take much more!
I will also be quizzing my MP as to why our government is committing treason by signing away our sovereignty and yet Gordon Brown is not in shackles! but first I will have to brush up on my facts about the relevant parts of the Magna Carta to quote etc just to strengthen my case....ITS ON!!!:mad:

No point calling your MP ... it is your MP that is the terrorist !!

Look the definition of the word up;

Terrorism

Noun
* S: (n) terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear)

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=terrorism

the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion.[1] At present, there is no internationally agreed definition of terrorism.[2][3] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

1. The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response through the suffering of the victims in the furtherance of a political or social agenda.
2. Violence against civilians to achieve military or political objectives.
3. A psychological strategy of war for gaining political or religious ends by deliberately creating a climate of fear among the population of a state.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/terrorism


The ONLY groups involved in organised, deliberate, persistent, coordinated and planned acts of terrorism are the politicians themselves. They have us all in a constant state of fear, bombarded with terrifying messages, fed false information to heighten the awareness and anticipation of unnamed and non-specific dangers. All of this is very much a political agenda against the public.

It is not a War on Terror that is being fought by the politicians, it is unequivocally a War OF Terror !!


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[jesuitsdidit]

we must be smart
its not about taking to the streets (yet)
its much more about waking up the public

this is why allowing protests to get violent is not a good idea, you will not win the support of ordinary citizens if you behave like hooligans

sometimes the state orchestrate violence for exactly that reason

a peaceful, well organised protest will be far more effective in the long run
do not respond to provocation, be disciplined and sensible

if they want to behave like idiots, let them

it should be possible to make your point without breaking the law
imo the recipe 4 a successful protest, apart from some good speakers, is a catchy chant/ song thats circulated (on the web/by mail) beforehand so everyone can get a copy and take part

its not difficult to find someone to write a song which everyone can sing - i can do it if needs be..

alot of the success of a demo is good organisation to make sure these things happen

its the numbers and the attitude that counts not how much damage you can do, you just lose support that way..

by and large the recent demos have been good,
things like 'throwing shoes' are fairly harmless stunts that make the day more fun and do little real damage, so thats ok

remember, Gandhi drove the British out of India by peaceful non-cooperation, no violence; it shouldn't be necessary to get to that stage..

good luck..

[jesuitsdidit]

we dont have to get violent
its entirely about waking up the public..

[whiterain]

the speed at which things are being outlawed, and the amount of new ridiculous laws that are being passed, its only a matter of time surely before sane jurors start to take into account that ignorance of the law should be a valid defence. how the fuck are we supposed to keep up with the regulations the eu are bringing in? if theres one person in europe that knows the 100000+ regulations then im a politician

[lawrence_connor]

Government needs crime. :(

[godsavengerslavenomore]

Government needs crime. :(

Too True my friend... No Crime no Job for the Pigs. wouldn't that be great?
Also by allowing crime to happen especially anti social behaviour that terrorises communities the system wins both ways. "Stay in your homes people no need to worry. we are her to protect you... If we can be bothered to get up of our fat lazy community support arses".

[yozhik]

this is why allowing protests to get violent is not a good idea, you will not win the support of ordinary citizens if you behave like hooligans

sometimes the state orchestrate violence for exactly that reason

a peaceful, well organised protest will be far more effective in the long run
do not respond to provocation, be disciplined and sensible

if they want to behave like idiots, let them


It isn't about the protest being violent.

1. You have to apply (beg) for permission to protest - a right of a free sentient being. Why do you need to apply for a licence to partake in a lawful activity?

2. No matter how peaceful the gathering is, if any one has a camera or imaging device and is taking photos of the police - they can be arrested. So, at what point does a gathering of tourists taking photos become an illegal act?

Nowhere is there any inference of becoming an idiot ... the politicians, by measure of their statutes, have already achieved the status of idiots.

Question is; if we bow down to ridiculous statutes crafted by idiots ... what does that make us?



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[free_at_last]

http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=836675

10 years for taking a photo, you may as well kick him in the balls and bite of his F**king ears like Mike Tyson did, maybe the 10 years would be worth it.