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cleft_asunder
21-06-2007, 11:55 PM
"We're in a computer program. It's not just the body that's a computer, this is a computer generated dream-world." -David Icke on 1st videocast.

Short story shorter:

A few days ago I went north up to Oregon to try and find a grass called Phalaris Arundinacea, or Reed Canary Grass, which contains DMT. What I thought was going to a simple journey turned out to be an adventure.

When I got up north to Goose Lake, I was dissapointed that I couldn't find any after looking quite hard. I was hungry and demoralized so I decided to bbq some steak, at which point a hippie type girl and her dog walk up to me and we start talking. One thing led to another and we're talking about chemtrails, corrupt mental institutions and doctors, to all sorts of things. I ended up eating at her place and I stayed a couple nights in a spare room.

I don't know what it is about me, but people will tell me their whole life story within days meeting me. I guess that's because I tell the truth and I can be trusted, and people know that in themselves. And she told me her most personal horrors within 2 days. Lot's of in-and-out of mental institutions, forced medicine like injected lithium, the whole shabang. The point of mental health, by the way, is to dumb down and remove as a threat those who are mentally healthy, which tends to be the majority of victims in mental health institutions.

What I want to focus on is one night in which she ran away from a mental institution. She wanted to commit suicide under a train, and according to her that's what happened. She threw herself under so far that the wheel should have torn accross her neck and lower chest, but what happened instead was that a sparkle or light in her eye moved up towards the stars, and the next moment she was laying next to the train with a bump on her head. It was like she was saved, or entered some alternate present.

The police happened to be right there patrolling the area, and cuffed her because she was an escaped patient. In the back of the police car, she has a most profound experience: she see's the Machine for the first time. For clearity, I will put it in the form of a discussion.

Cindy: I started to feel the very definition of hopeless, and that I was literally in hell--that this universe is hell. Not think it is; not feel it is; but know it is.


Cleft: Everyone pictures hell "up there" and "after we die" but I disagree, I know the Matrix is hell from an experience I had with mushrooms. While it is true that when we die there are versions of paradise or hell based on peoples beliefs, these are simply hells or heavens within hell.


Cindy: At this point I see what "the world" is with perfect clearity. The policeman that is driving me has less than a flame of conciousness, and cares nothing of me. He is like a zombie!

Cleft: Yes, but even that is a compliment.

Cindy: Yes, even that is a compliment! I saw people very self-absorbed, but like they're dead like a robot. Their bodies are nothing more than external clothes that they wear, and their foundation for living were illusionary foundations which are empy. Faith, for example, was empty and cold and I could see that there was no hope in faith. And all life is fueled by illusionary reasons.

Cleft: So what you're saying is that there was no hope, no light at the end of the tunnel, and no perception of God or a "security blanket." The universe was like a snow-globe, and within this snow-globe was a place in which meaning does not exist.

Cindy: Yes exactly. But the best way to describe it was that it was very machine-like and cold. In fact I call it The Machine.

Cleft: Yes, David Icke talks about it, except he calls the universe and all of it's dimension The Matrix, and at the top is the Matrix Mind or Fear. Some people call it Lucifer. It is the empty God of this universe which beams reality to us. It is best to think of it as a computer, and we know that computers do not know right or wrong, therefore the Matrix Mind is neither good nor evil. Technically, however, that makes it cold and evil.

Cindy: Yes exactly. I also want to say that the Matrix Mind, as you call it, is a spider on top of a web. The spider is like a microcosm of the Matrix mind. The web represents the multiverse and the spider is king.

Cleft: When I saw the Matrix while on shrooms, I remember thinking about my family and the world. I saw the suffering so clearly. It is hard to explain but it was so, so sad. Almost unbearible. I saw with such clearity that my parents and sister offered nothing to the solution--they had no hope to give me, and there was no salvation even through them. They were as lost as I was, but they just didn't see it. And I saw the suffering of the world and it was horribly sad. And I sympathised and loved them, but they were like objects--it was like they were illusions!

When I watched t.v. I saw every possible psychological detail of the conspiracy. Every commercial and every show was filled to the brim with intricacies. I saw, for the first time, that t.v. is a conduite for the Matrix mind. What I'm saying is that on the deepest level, the fucking shows and commercials are coming from the Matrix mind itself! It is simply handed down through conduites--probably organic portals, and even people like you and me. This makes perfect sense when you realise that everyone and everything you see is beamed down by the Matrix mind.

Cindy: So is there any hope?

Cleft: The hope is in God. The questions are: Are the Matrix and the Matrix Mind the ultimate? If not, is the Matrix the Time Loop? Is God beyond the Matrix? Is the enlightenment David Icke, Eckhart Tolle, Gangaji, Papaji, and Osho talk about the ultimate state, or is it a manufactured state created by the Matrix mind? What is the true meaning of the awakening? If it is simply a Matrix shift, it is meaningless and empty. The Matrix needs to be destroyed.

mahabaratara
22-06-2007, 12:27 AM
Lucifer is a false creation on so mant levels...

Archangel...?

Babylonian King...

john white
22-06-2007, 12:34 AM
Lucifer is a false creation on so mant levels...

Archangel...?

Babylonian King...

...personification/anthropomorphisation of Ego Shadow Self?

cleft_asunder
22-06-2007, 02:43 AM
...personification/anthropomorphisation of Ego Shadow Self?

That's what I want to know. Icke calls it fear as well.

cleft_asunder
22-06-2007, 07:25 AM
Can you move this to the Matrix forum please?

limelady
22-06-2007, 07:45 AM
The Matrix needs to be destroyed.

Lately I've been seeing the matrix as a self-perpetuating machine/computer, that has learnt to change and adapt for its own survival. Its neither good or evil....it merely "is" and will do whatever it takes to ensure its own existence.

It does need hacking and destroying, and a part of me knows this is possible.

An interesting account thanks cleft.

cleft_asunder
22-06-2007, 08:03 AM
Lately I've been seeing the matrix as a self-perpetuating machine/computer, that has learnt to change and adapt for its own survival. Its neither good or evil....it merely "is" and will do whatever it takes to ensure its own existence.

It does need hacking and destroying, and a part of me knows this is possible.

An interesting account thanks cleft.

That is exactly what the Matrix mind is. However, if you think about it, because it is neither good nor evil, it IS evil. And that is not a contradiction. To make it more clear, think about a friend that is neither good nor evil--he partakes in both with no bias. Wouldn't be a trustworthy friend would he? Therefore, his alignment is evil. Please don't forget the below claymation video that sums it up perfectly.

I forgot to mention that the girl I met said that the Spider is the perfect example of the Matrix mind. The web represents the multiverse, or the beamed down reality, and everyone is caught. She said the spider was like a fatherly figure, yet at the same time it has fangs and red eyes. David Icke, at the end of part 3 of the first videocast calls it The Spider. I'm not making up this experience folks.

Scariest kids tv show EVER!! - YouTube

lemonique
22-06-2007, 10:06 AM
Hi, good thread. Complacency is evil. So I can agree with what you say Cleft. Seems to me that the way to break up the 'matrix' is with Love.
It was Love that saved your friend in Oregon.
Just my 2 bobs worth.

;)

earthseed
22-06-2007, 10:30 AM
The manifest creation (As Bentov called it) is not sentient. The energy/consciousness caught up in it may be. Swerdlow calls Godmind neutral. Which means it is indifferent. It is programmed to do a certain thing. Sometimes I think this is how the true creator/source/us keeps its sanity. Monroe called it many games going on at once. Are we in a big game? Do you win the game when you wake up to the fact that it is false and return to yourself? If there is a prime creator that is real and it has created false creations to entertain and experiment with. I could see it/us creating more and more difficult games within or outside our self to challenge our self. I always thought that the cause of all this insanity was our own boredom. It seems that this oneness we are seeking is restoration. Just my ideas thanks for the post Cleft.

earthseed
22-06-2007, 10:33 AM
Hi, good thread. Complacency is evil. So I can agree with what you say Cleft. Seems to me that the way to break up the 'matrix' is with Love.
It was Love that saved your friend in Oregon.
Just my 2 bobs worth.

;)

But love is in the matrix otherwise we wouldn't even know what it was. I think awareness is the way you go beyond it.

earthseed
22-06-2007, 10:40 AM
Just wanted to add there is a book called The Disappearance of the Universe by Gary Renard that has the author being visited by these higher level beings. They tell him that this universe/multiverse is the creation of one of the sons or offspring of the source. And that it is screwed up and someday it will be destroyed and everything will go back to 'normal'. Anyway it's a very trippy book that's for sure.

cleft_asunder
22-06-2007, 05:34 PM
Just wanted to add there is a book called The Disappearance of the Universe by Gary Renard that has the author being visited by these higher level beings. They tell him that this universe/multiverse is the creation of one of the sons or offspring of the source. And that it is screwed up and someday it will be destroyed and everything will go back to 'normal'. Anyway it's a very trippy book that's for sure.

Thanks much for your prespective. I think I will buy that book.

earthseed
23-06-2007, 08:02 AM
The author is very Gnostic in how they look at this reality.

cleft_asunder
24-06-2007, 02:04 AM
The author is very Gnostic in how they look at this reality.

I hope it's interesting.

earthseed
25-06-2007, 11:45 AM
Also try to pick up Itzhak Bentov's A Brief Tour of Higher Consciousness. I think you will like it as well a lot of the questions I see you ask on this forum 'might' be answered by his work.

cleft_asunder
28-06-2007, 09:03 AM
I'm on page 205 and there are some things not quite right about the book--subtle things. And then I found out that The Course has everything to do with MK-ULTRA and the CIA. Man, I seriously don't know what the fuck is going on. Maybe you simply can't find the ultimate truths in a book, rather they can only show you the door. I think I'll stick to Eckhart Tolle's newest book for now, and meditate.

http://www.unknowncountry.com/board/messages/8875/24404.html?1167353821

earthseed
28-06-2007, 11:13 AM
Sure everything is disinfo whether the author is aware or not. You only can use books for ideas that you need to take you to the next step of awareness. I read books that disagree with each other but I don't care I just play detective. Just take the cheese and leave the trap that's the way it works with books, beliefs and experiences. Eckhart Tolle always gave me the creeps so you see it can also be a personal thing as well when we reject different people's work.

cleft_asunder
29-06-2007, 04:17 AM
Sure everything is disinfo whether the author is aware or not. You only can use books for ideas that you need to take you to the next step of awareness. I read books that disagree with each other but I don't care I just play detective. Just take the cheese and leave the trap that's the way it works with books, beliefs and experiences. Eckhart Tolle always gave me the creeps so you see it can also be a personal thing as well when we reject different people's work.

Why does he give you the creeps?

earthseed
01-07-2007, 07:21 AM
I really can't give you a logical answer for that. It's just the vibe I get off him gives me the shivers. Maybe it's not that he is bad maybe it's that he is very powerful in a good way. I can't watch any videos of him I just start to feel weird. Doesn't make any sense I know.

tejas
16-09-2007, 01:33 PM
That is exactly what the Matrix mind is. However, if you think about it, because it is neither good nor evil, it IS evil. And that is not a contradiction. To make it more clear, think about a friend that is neither good nor evil--he partakes in both with no bias. Wouldn't be a trustworthy friend would he? Therefore, his alignment is evil. Please don't forget the below claymation video that sums it up perfectly.

I forgot to mention that the girl I met said that the Spider is the perfect example of the Matrix mind. The web represents the multiverse, or the beamed down reality, and everyone is caught. She said the spider was like a fatherly figure, yet at the same time it has fangs and red eyes. David Icke, at the end of part 3 of the first videocast calls it The Spider. I'm not making up this experience folks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nir9TjozWvU&NR=1

Very good thread Cleft.

I have a critiscism though, we are still thinking in terms of good and evil. And i Dont agree with that.

Instead of good and evil, we should be thinking in terms of survival, and non-survival.

This is a more accurate way of describing what is going on and what we experience. When something is 'good' it is beneficial to our survival, or at least perceived to be as so. And evil is vice versa.

So indeed it would seem that this multiverse is based on survival and non-survival.

chandrakavi
23-11-2007, 03:15 AM
Very good thread Cleft.

I have a critiscism though, we are still thinking in terms of good and evil. And i Dont agree with that.

Instead of good and evil, we should be thinking in terms of survival, and non-survival.

This is a more accurate way of describing what is going on and what we experience. When something is 'good' it is beneficial to our survival, or at least perceived to be as so. And evil is vice versa.

So indeed it would seem that this multiverse is based on survival and non-survival.

Here is a nice quote from Frederich Nietzsche's book
BEYOND GOOD AND EVIL:
"Love is beyond good and evil"
an interesting book to read.

paganus
06-12-2007, 04:26 PM
by proccess of evolution,all evil will one day become good anyway!

tejas
01-01-2008, 07:13 PM
Here is a nice quote from Frederich Nietzsche's book
BEYOND GOOD AND EVIL:
"Love is beyond good and evil"
an interesting book to read.

What is love?

zero1
01-01-2008, 10:07 PM
What is love?

A sense of transcendent connexion to something. Limitless interactive power.

Could be a person, could be the Earth, or the Omniverse & everything! GOD too.

It's the one thing all human beings are capable of.

octopusrex
03-01-2008, 11:52 PM
Even if it IS a coputer simulation, we have to assume it's real it's so good.

But I tell you. This life, this world ain't no damn simulation.

But about Lucifer I tell you this. He is the INFERIOR light. Aka: Electric.

chandrakavi
05-01-2008, 12:23 AM
What is love?

"The same way love crowns you,
it will crucify you.

The same way it makes you mature, it will bring you down .

The same way it rises in all of you,
and caressess your most tender branches before the sun,

In the same way it will go to your very roots
and shake its being tied to the earth.

love will hold you like whole wheat
it will take grains one by one until you are naked,
will get rid of what is straw,
will triturate you until you are white,

It will amass you till it converts you into a white potatoe
and only then will take you to the sacred fire,
and will transmute you into holy bread
for the sacred feast of God

All these things love will do with you
so that you will know the secrets in your heart,
and that knowing will lead you to be a fragment
in the heart of life"----KALIL GIBRAN, THE PROPHET

taken from part of one of his chapters, "The Prophet"

No one can tell you what love is dude,NO POET, NO WRITER, no matter how beautiful,
it will finally be your subjective experience.

INFINITE LOVE,

Chandrakavi

octopusrex
05-01-2008, 04:40 AM
Chandra, you like Rumi?

chandrakavi
05-01-2008, 04:58 AM
Yes, Rumi is great!

octopusrex
05-01-2008, 02:25 PM
If Television had Rumi, Caitanya Mahaprabu and other stuff of more relevance instead of...

Huh..

Wheel of Fortune.

We'd be in a better place.

Too bad TV is all about the $$$. I do like PBS.

What is LOVE?

LOVE!!!!

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS LOVE!!!!

chandrakavi
05-01-2008, 07:47 PM
Agree, well used television could be terrific!!!!,
but it is not well used, so it is only selling things $$$$$$$,
and try to get you to see a movie, so you will see the commercials.
and brainwash you anyway.

alice1111
06-01-2008, 02:31 AM
What is love?

I believe it is the ability to see essence or as some call it god in everyone and everything. To look and accept ones self and seeing all as part of that. To see that not one part of essence is better than another.

(note that I didn't say we've all understood that.) Let's get those arseholes.

Alice

chandrakavi
06-01-2008, 07:11 AM
I believe it is the ability to see essence or as some call it god in everyone and everything. To look and accept ones self and seeing all as part of that. To see that not one part of essence is better than another.

(note that I didn't say we've all understood that.) Let's get those arseholes.

Alice

Beautiful definition Alice, very spiritual, having to do with your inner growth,
being in ONENESS, living in ONENESS.