Marilyn Manson

[thirdwave]

hey E_S

did you know he does artwork.............i followed link off his website..........hes actually selling those pictures.....

http://marilynmansonartworkonline.com/

this is main site http://www.marilynmanson.com/...........


Fantastic art...very dark stuff..

[eternal_spirit]

Fantastic art...very dark stuff..

:rolleyes:

I've been more impressed by children's talent. This is what someone who's spirit and intentions are pure is capable of child prodigy amazing talent.
http://www.artakiane.com/akiane_art.htm#

[marpat]

:rolleyes:

I've been more impressed by children's talent. This is what someone who's spirit and intentions are pure is capable of child prodigy amazing talent.
http://www.artakiane.com/akiane_art.htm#


Why do you always show contempt for people who have their own likes and interests? do you always have to condemn people for being different to yourslef, being individuals? as I have said before it seems clear that you resent people having their own freedoms and tastes if they do not agree with yours.

[thirdwave]

:rolleyes:

I've been more impressed by children's talent. This is what someone who's spirit and intentions are pure is capable of child prodigy amazing talent.
http://www.artakiane.com/akiane_art.htm#



Great art, very beautiful..

[xpleet]

well that marilyn manson stuff (art) is just sick.

[conspiraca]

Originally Posted by astral_girl View Post
hey E_S

did you know he does artwork.............i followed link off his website..........hes actually selling those pictures.....

http://marilynmansonartworkonline.com/

this is main site http://www.marilynmanson.com/...........


Yeah wicked ain't it...........

[thirdwave]

well that marilyn manson stuff (art) is just sick.

would you tell a person with a paint brush what he can and cant draw?

what is MM was abused as a child and had lots of dark disturbing stuff in him...

should he delete this out of his creative outlet in so other people cant see it?

[madthumbs]

He's not a great singer, but he knows you have to be weird in most cases to become popular or famous. His appearance or art is a reflection of our culture / sick world and a poke at our mental barriers.

Disinformation Convention Marilyn Manson Speech 2003 (http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=1625)

This "Disinformation" site has offered me books for review. I wish I had more time.

[thirdwave]

He's not a great singer, but he knows you have to be weird in most cases to become popular or famous. His appearance or art is a reflection of our culture / sick world and a poke at our mental barriers.

Disinformation Convention Marilyn Manson Speech 2003 (http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=1625)

This "Disinformation" site has offered me books for review. I wish I had more time.

How long before somone starts to see if they can make out he has making a hand sign with his hand :) lol

[eternal_spirit]

How long before somone starts to see if they can make out he has making a hand sign with his hand :) lol

Well you never can be sure

Well he is a FreeMa(n)son :

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7306/marilynmanson01ug0.jpg

Take a closer look (bottom right):

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9016/marilynmanson02sn8.jpg

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/mansonantichrist_36.jpg

[thirdwave]

Well you never can be sure

Well he is a FreeMa(n)son :

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7306/marilynmanson01ug0.jpg

Take a closer look (bottom right):

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9016/marilynmanson02sn8.jpg

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/mansonantichrist_36.jpg


What do you think of his thoughts on the video?

[lakkimakki]

What do you think of his thoughts on the video?

maybe hes just obsessed with ocult stuff and ....

[thirdwave]

He calls him self the anti Christ super star, clear knows allot about the occult and government...

and he is a Freemason because he has it on a ring :D

[astral_girl]

i thought he did say some ok things in the video-i do remember watching a interveiw of him years back on something like mtv -talking at least about 9 years back and i did happen to think what he said was ok.............
i can understand both points of this argument.............life is dualistic..........if youve been treated bad in life -abused
most certainly in childhood and been repressed by bullies for years....then it will effect your emotinal body ect ect........and you will rebel and have hate inside you.........very understandable.........

but also can see other side to it all.

[lakkimakki]

He calls him self the anti Christ super star, clear knows allot about the occult and government...

and he is a Freemason because he has it on a ring :D


lol i must get that ring , then i can be e freemason too:)

[astral_girl]

Let’s explore the effects of Childhood Sexual Abuse on our spiritual self and Chakra System.

The Out Of Body Experience
Our spiritual self has the ability to come and go from our body at will. There have been many documented cases of people in life-threatening situations, in unconscious states, having memories of watching medical personnel working on their bodies from a bird’s eye view. Apparently, their spiritual self had left their body and was floating above, watching the scene below. Many survivors of Childhood Sexual Abuse have memories of watching their bodies being abused from someplace on their ceiling.

The body contains the physical experience of the abuse. This physical experience is stored in the Chakra System. When there is repeated abuse over a period of time, the spirit may choose to simply not return to the body, or return only as far as the head, because it would then become aware of the pain stored in the Chakra System. This experience of living our life while our spiritual self is not totally in our body is known as not being grounded.

If we are partially or totally not in our body, or not grounded, we may have experiences of driving somewhere and not remembering the trip. We may have little sense of our physical body, how it feels, its weight, etc. We may tend to express ourselves intellectually more often than emotionally. This could be viewed as living in the head instead of the heart. People who live in their heads only have their heads to help them figure out the world. They are very attached to being able to analyze everything. They do not pay attention to feelings because they are not in touch with them. Feelings are stored below the head in the rest of the Chakra System.

Common Chakra Blockages
When too many unresolved emotions or memories are stored in a chakra, it becomes blocked. Some common reasons for blockages to chakras as a result of Childhood Sexual Abuse are as follows:
• Crown - There are two possible reasons: We are angry at God for not rescuing us, or we never want to return to our body to feel the memories of the physical experience.
• Third Eye - Our psychic abilities allowed us to pick up the feelings and thoughts of our abuser during the abuse.
• Throat - We were ordered to never tell about the abuse.
• Heart - It broke our heart to have someone we trusted and loved abuse us.
• Solar Plexus - The power-over nature of abuse results in our personal boundaries being forcibly knocked down, leaving us feeling powerless and victimized.
• Sacral - The sexual nature of the abuse, plus feeling you had to hide your feelings about the abuse, caused us to shut this down.
• Root - You lived in a constant state of survival, plotting how best to avoid further abuse, working out how to survive the actual abuse.

Often, the spiritual self will feel safe to return to the body only up until the point it reaches the first chakra containing memories of the physical experience of the abuse. For example, if we find we have a sense of our body from the top of our head to our chin only, chances are that the first blocked chakra is at the throat, like when we were ordered not to tell anyone.

Let’s explore some techniques for healing our spiritual self and Chakra System.

Grounding
This is the process of returning all the way into the physical body and connecting to the Earth. In order to begin healing from the abuse experience on a spiritual level, we need to be willing to return to our body to discover which chakras require clearing. Allow yourself to return slowly. Each step can bring up memories and feelings that you might not have experienced before.

[thirdwave]

i thought he did say some ok things in the video-i do remember watching a interveiw of him years back on something like mtv -talking at least about 9 years back and i did happen to think what he said was ok.............
i can understand both points of this argument.............life is dualistic..........if youve been treated bad in life -abused
most certainly in childhood and been repressed by bullies for years....then it will effect your emotinal body ect ect........and you will rebel and have hate inside you.........very understandable.........

but also can see other side to it all.


Well I appreciate you can see the points made by other sides which is more I can say for some here....

I believe that people like MM may not be to everyone's taste and may not be perfect, But he can simply see the huge hypocrisy in the world, and likes to exploit it, not to mention the fact he was pretty screwed up as a kid I believe...

[sean]

Just a note to say that personal insults aren't welcome here. Try and stick to the topic.

[chattanova]

C'mon he isn't that bad, It reminds me on how Icke is being treated public (at least in Canada)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=90xJVOUuV-I

[lakkimakki]

Just a note to say that personal insults aren't welcome here. Try and stick to the topic.

lol not welcome , and like all forum is insulting marilyn manson:confused::)

wake up people

[thirdwave]

lol not welcome , and like all forum is insulting marilyn manson:confused::)

wake up people

A couple insulting posts where deleted......

[conspiraca]

He's not a great singer, but he knows you have to be weird in most cases to become popular or famous. His appearance or art is a reflection of our culture / sick world and a poke at our mental barriers.

Disinformation Convention Marilyn Manson Speech 2003 (http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=1625)

This "Disinformation" site has offered me books for review. I wish I had more time.

I was real impressed by his speech he talks a lot of sense and pulls no punches and much of his points were dead on........

[kevincent]

he is begging to go to hell, he wants that, thats where he desires to go forever. theres nothing you can do to change that or me, hes not popular really anymore, and he sucks at music and he sucks at life and he will go where hes destined to go because he doesnt want to change, hes going from having a gaurdian angel over him on this earth, to having a personal demon to torture him day in and day out for the rest of his eternity, because we all will live for infinity and theres no stopping that. its where we choose to go when we die i guess, he is just, put it this way if he was in hell hed be nashing his teeth calling out to god or jesus to save him and he's cut off from him. his prayers will be blocked out like a locked door. hes an adult and can make up his own mind. i thought that church of satan guy was dead. guess not. but theyres a lotttttt more people evil and sicker and freakier then this guy, he's just probly the most reconized cause he puts out albums. i knew a kid who lived cross the street from me as a kid and he was into manson before he was big on mtv so, uhhhh. i dont know. but yeah i heard about him before he put out his 1st mainstream cd. and Jesus RULES.

[existenz]

he is begging to go to hell, he wants that, thats where he desires to go forever. theres nothing you can do to change that or me, hes not popular really anymore, and he sucks at music and he sucks at life and he will go where hes destined to go because he doesnt want to change, hes going from having a gaurdian angel over him on this earth, to having a personal demon to torture him day in and day out for the rest of his eternity, because we all will live for infinity and theres no stopping that. its where we choose to go when we die i guess, he is just, put it this way if he was in hell hed be nashing his teeth calling out to god or jesus to save him and he's cut off from him. his prayers will be blocked out like a locked door. hes an adult and can make up his own mind. i thought that church of satan guy was dead. guess not. but theyres a lotttttt more people evil and sicker and freakier then this guy, he's just probly the most reconized cause he puts out albums. i knew a kid who lived cross the street from me as a kid and he was into manson before he was big on mtv so, uhhhh. i dont know. but yeah i heard about him before he put out his 1st mainstream cd. and Jesus RULES.

good boy. you think you're going to heaven?

[lakkimakki]

good boy. you think you're going to heaven?

wahhahah lol:D

[dogsmilk]

Why are so many people on a downer about Marilyn Manson?

IMHO he's an articulate and intelligent showman.
Gaahl from Gorgoroth is way more hardcore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4U33U_UyzQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSUmKubFIUY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNN-ZnYg1Vo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRTHzR2Pxro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avnsgYvHPK8

Those crazy Norwegian black metal dudes did murder, church burnings and all kinds (I think they tended to take it all a bit too seriously as well as winning the prize for looking silly - corpsepaint just looks camp if you ask me).
Marilyn Manson just shocks your mum
I don't really like his music, but give me him over Jesus camp, 'parental advisory' stickers on albums and people unable to produce anything but endless fatuous love songs any day of the week.

Additionally, a lot of the 'controversy' is fueled by the media. For example, Manson has been associated with the Columbine massacre, but the 'link' with KMFDM has been largely ignored -

In wake of the Columbine High School massacre it was revealed that lyrics to KMFDM songs ("Anarchy", "Power", "Son of a Gun", "Stray Bullet", "Waste") were posted on the website of shooter Eric Harris, and that the massacre coincided with the release date of the album Adios and the birthday of Adolf Hitler. The media was quick to jump on the apparent connection of the massacre to violent entertainment and Nazism. In response, Konietzko issued a statement the following day:

First and foremost, KMFDM would like to express their deep and heartfelt sympathy for the parents, families and friends of the murdered and injured children in Littleton. We are sick and appalled, as is the rest of the nation, by what took place in Colorado yesterday.

KMFDM are an art form — not a political party. From the beginning, our music has been a statement against war, oppression, fascism and violence against others. While some of the former band members are German as reported in the media, none of us condone any Nazi beliefs whatsoever.[9]

Konietzko would also go on to joke that because KMFDM was not a mainstream band, the media quickly decided to blame Marilyn Manson's music instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kmfdm

The final comment may be presented as a joke, but it rings true to me. Furthermore, their stance just doesn't fit the 'evil influence' vibe.

Whenever someone into MM, extreme metal or whatever does something bad, people speculate as to the influence of the music. Whenever someone who just listened to a Kylie cd does something bad, nobody will blame her. Music is frequently a scapegoat to simply attach blame to.
I've listened to 'extreme' and 'occult' music since I was a kid and it has never made me want to hurt people, be evil or worship satan.

[thirdwave]

he is begging to go to hell, he wants that, thats where he desires to go forever. theres nothing you can do to change that or me, hes not popular really anymore, and he sucks at music and he sucks at life and he will go where hes destined to go because he doesnt want to change, hes going from having a gaurdian angel over him on this earth, to having a personal demon to torture him day in and day out for the rest of his eternity, because we all will live for infinity and theres no stopping that. its where we choose to go when we die i guess, he is just, put it this way if he was in hell hed be nashing his teeth calling out to god or jesus to save him and he's cut off from him. his prayers will be blocked out like a locked door. hes an adult and can make up his own mind. i thought that church of satan guy was dead. guess not. but theyres a lotttttt more people evil and sicker and freakier then this guy, he's just probly the most reconized cause he puts out albums. i knew a kid who lived cross the street from me as a kid and he was into manson before he was big on mtv so, uhhhh. i dont know. but yeah i heard about him before he put out his 1st mainstream cd. and Jesus RULES.

lol

he is not "Big" any more because he has probably earned enough cash to not have to give a shit about the music industry and all that bullshit... can just do what he wants..

the fact people are talking about him means he made the mark he wished to make...

I think the point he is making is he does not believe in the hell you talk of.... and hence does not fear it, its not a case of him wanting to go there lol

he is smart enough to see past the bogie man stories and use comment sense.

Art is not what creates wars... lack of it is.

[existenz]

if you still havent seen the Bowling for Columbine interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90xJVOUuV-I

I'm not into his music at all. I just loved his make-up and contact lenses :D until i found out he had brains and he is pretty articulate in that interview.

[eternal_spirit]

There's obviously some stuff made up about him, as in the first posts on this thread. I've discovered since is that much of that stuff probably isn't true.

Not easy to say what's true and what he believed/believes himself.

Even so it's lead to other topics and some related topics.

[smoking oceanus]

lol

he is not "Big" any more because he has probably earned enough cash to not have to give a shit about the music industry and all that bullshit... .



I think the reason why he's not big anymore is becuase he's either run out of ideas how to shock people as much as he used to, or people have gotten used to his shock tactics and arent really that shocked by him anymore.

There was once upon a time when The Beatles were considered "shocking" as well.

[eternal_spirit]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/electrokinetic/twigson_1-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/linkinslipark/marilyn_manson_29.jpg

:eek:

[eternal_spirit]

Brian Warner later changed his name to "Marilyn Manson" (female impersonating Marilyn Monroe and glorifying Charles Manson, who brutally killed 7 people and claimed to have butchered countless others during the infamous Helter Skelter Murders) and formed a band with other transvestite homosexuals, taking the names of serial killers like "Madonna Wayne Gacy", Stephen Bier, Jr. (female impersonating Madonna and glorifying John Wayne Gacy, a homosexual serial killer who raped and murdered over 35 boys, and buried their bodies in a crawl space in his basement); Brian Tutunick "Olivia Newton Bundy," ( female impersonating Olivia Newton-John and glorifying Ted Bundy, the serial killer who claimed to have killed over a hundred young girls across the highways of America);

Jeordie White "Twiggy Rameriez", (female impersonating model Twiggy and glorifying the dreaded Satanic Night Stalker Richard Rameriez who murdered and raped women throughout several months of terror in Los Angeles and San Francisco, California); Kenny Wilson "Ginger Fish" ( female impersonating actress and dancer Ginger Rogers and glorifying Albert Fish, child murderer and cannibal who ate kids after murdering them);


Scott Mitchell Putesky "Daisy Berkowitz" (female impersonating Daisy May of the musical "Lil Abner" and glorifying Son Of Sam serial killer shooter David Berkowitz); Perry Pandrea "Zsa Zsa Speck" (female impersonating Zsa Zsa Gabor and glorifying Richard Speck who murdered 8 nurses hacking them to death with a butcher knife,) Fred Streithorst "Sara Lee Lucas" (named after Henry Lee Lucas who confessed to murdering over 250 people,) and began playing the Homosexual hangouts. Manson began to record CD's , and recorded one called "Antichrist Superstar", in which he says some of the most blasphemous things that can ever be said against Jesus Christ. Below are photos of Manson and his transvestite satanic perverted band.

[thirdwave]

I think the reason why he's not big anymore is becuase he's either run out of ideas how to shock people as much as he used to, or people have gotten used to his shock tactics and arent really that shocked by him anymore.

There was once upon a time when The Beatles were considered "shocking" as well.

yeah that's true....

[newdecades]

haha, manson does these things just to shock people and cause controversy. he does a good job at it too! he doesn't believe in satan. to him, satan is no different than say 'the joker' from batman comics. both characters from a book.

[haukipesukone]

haha, manson does these things just to shock people and cause controversy. he does a good job at it too! he doesn't believe in satan. to him, satan is no different than say 'the joker' from batman comics. both characters from a book.

Yup.

But now I think he's just sold out. I think he had potential for more, but then he took the easy way.

[thirdwave]

Yup.

But now I think he's just sold out. I think he had potential for more, but then he took the easy way.


Yeah, Very few artists nowadays dig their heels in....

in fact there is almost this new style where its cool to sell out... as if you have been smart and are respected for the amount of money you have made.

winds me up...

that being said I don't think he has sold out totally.... just kind of bowed out.

Chris Cornell ... now that's what you call selling out.... a total disaster.

[chattanova]

It's after he came with he's last album 'eat me, drink me' witch is basically love songs. He fell in love some years back and that seems to have changed him :confused: (And he got kicked out from the band didn't he?)

[alzee]

Whatever 'wrong' Manson has committed, pales into insignificance when compared to the attrocities perpetrated by the christian church.

I'm not a particular fan of his music, but I'm even less a fan of christianity.

[newdecades]

Yup.

But now I think he's just sold out. I think he had potential for more, but then he took the easy way.

yeah, i was never too into his music but i always thought it was funny how people reacted to him.

[eternal_spirit]

Brian Warner later changed his name to "Marilyn Manson" (female impersonating Marilyn Monroe and glorifying Charles Manson, who brutally killed 7 people and claimed to have butchered countless others during the infamous Helter Skelter Murders) and formed a band with other transvestite homosexuals, taking the names of serial killers like "Madonna Wayne Gacy", Stephen Bier, Jr. (female impersonating Madonna and glorifying John Wayne Gacy, a homosexual serial killer who raped and murdered over 35 boys, and buried their bodies in a crawl space in his basement); Brian Tutunick "Olivia Newton Bundy," ( female impersonating Olivia Newton-John and glorifying Ted Bundy, the serial killer who claimed to have killed over a hundred young girls across the highways of America);

Jeordie White "Twiggy Rameriez", (female impersonating model Twiggy and glorifying the dreaded Satanic Night Stalker Richard Rameriez who murdered and raped women throughout several months of terror in Los Angeles and San Francisco, California); Kenny Wilson "Ginger Fish" ( female impersonating actress and dancer Ginger Rogers and glorifying Albert Fish, child murderer and cannibal who ate kids after murdering them);


Scott Mitchell Putesky "Daisy Berkowitz" (female impersonating Daisy May of the musical "Lil Abner" and glorifying Son Of Sam serial killer shooter David Berkowitz); Perry Pandrea "Zsa Zsa Speck" (female impersonating Zsa Zsa Gabor and glorifying Richard Speck who murdered 8 nurses hacking them to death with a butcher knife,) Fred Streithorst "Sara Lee Lucas" (named after Henry Lee Lucas who confessed to murdering over 250 people,) and began playing the Homosexual hangouts. Manson began to record CD's , and recorded one called "Antichrist Superstar", in which he says some of the most blasphemous things that can ever be said against Jesus Christ. Below are photos of Manson and his transvestite satanic perverted band.

What's funny about this? (forget the Christ bit that's just the author of the articles faith) regardless his info about the names is correct.
Now think about the victims and their families of these murders who the band named themselves after.

I'm not religious but take offence on moral grounds.

[crowd control]

You guys should listen to the "pop"music coming out of Russia just now, pure porn lyrics like "lick my fucking pussy" etc on their equivilant to MTV, complete with the obligatory military endorsing hotties.

[pinkfreud]

You guys should listen to the "pop"music coming out of Russia just now, pure porn lyrics like "lick my fucking pussy" etc on their equivilant to MTV

that's happening everywhere. even in mainstream music coming in from the u.s. nothing new.


i dunno why or understand how but i cant fathom why girls are so attracted to marilyn manson. i find him, and the energy he emanates repulsive. it could be because of his appearance :rolleyes:, but even his actions and the stuff on his website is disturbing.

[eternal_spirit]

You guys should listen to the "pop"music coming out of Russia just now, pure porn lyrics like "lick my fucking pussy" etc on their equivilant to MTV, complete with the obligatory military endorsing hotties.

Russia is Zionist controlled who owns most of the World's media (Zionist Jews) Someone said Manson's parents are Jewish (not searched it myself) Anton Lav Vey is and Murdoch has Jewish parentage too. (read the Talmud and see how much in common it has with Satanism)

http://www.rondart.com/The%20Essential%20Talmud.jpg

Look carefully at the flowery pattern, if you don't see it look again.

Looks like it says Satan IMO.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38631

[eternal_spirit]

that's happening everywhere. even in mainstream music coming in from the u.s. nothing new.


i dunno why or understand how but i cant fathom why girls are so attracted to marilyn manson. i find him, and the energy he emanates repulsive. it could be because of his appearance :rolleyes:, but even his actions and the stuff on his website is disturbing.

Likes attract some people are strange and are attracted to strangeness. I agree the general vibe off his music, videos and what he talks about should be repulsive to someone with good morals and on higher wavelengths - emotionally, spiritually etc.


I used to like horror films long time ago so maybe I can grasp the attraction to sickness etc. But with what I now know about Satanism being a reality and very sick at it's core and the many documented real life cases of ritualistic murders (easy to research) I now see horror films and people like Manson for the sickness it is.

[haukipesukone]

Russia is Zionist controlled who owns most of the World's media (Zionist Jews) Someone said Manson's parents are Jewish (not searched it myself) Anton Lav Vey is and Murdoch has Jewish parentage too. (read the Talmud and see how much in common it has with Satanism)


I've been wondering too whether Manson, or Brian Warner (Warner Bros?), is somehow connected to Jews or Zionists. That's one his biggest failings that he's just anti-Christian, whereas he should be anti-religion, especially anti-Jewish. There was some slogan "Against all gods", but it's pretty much an isolated thing.

[shane]

My main problem with Manson is that his music sucks. His cover of tainted love was a crime against humanity as far as I'm concerned...

And he gets laid, the bastard :mad:

[aee02]

MM is a performer and entertainer...

Way baack when I was much, much younger the scary band was KISS. I remember in my hometown all the hubbub made from churches and etc. when they were coming to town for a concert. It was my first concert. I really wanted to go because I thought I was being rebellious. It was just a circus act really and their kind of crappy live.

Now Gene Simmons has his own TV show and he is all good daddy with his family and all...

Its just all shock value stuff... I'm not saying its not disturbing because it is-because its well...shock music....

Decades from now MM will have his own show like Gene and Ozzy.... :rolleyes:

[demonlover]

If this thread had been about Gorgoroth, the author would have been onto something here! MM is gay and it's all for shock value which doesn't even shock anymore. At least some black metal norwegian bands actually burned down churches! They're actually Satanic btw. MM lyrics have no comparison to Dimmu Borgir's (even though they're mainstream now) Tormentor of Christian Souls or Spellbound (By the Devil). MM is a baptist compared to those people!

[demonlover]

What's funny about this? (forget the Christ bit that's just the author of the articles faith) regardless his info about the names is correct.
Now think about the victims and their families of these murders who the band named themselves after.

I'm not religious but take offence on moral grounds.If you listen to black or death metal you'd be highly offended, Manson is pop music. In other words, they are other musicians that are way darker so why'd you chose Manson? Manson was the "it-crazed-goth-freak-of-the-late-nineties." That's all he was, no one I know in the metal community makes a hoopla over him.

[thirdwave]

I think MM could onlt be taken in small doses as he can be a bit repetitive... but he is a talented artist and i like his lyrics....

and he certainly knew how to rock !!


this ones for the christians :)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PdUwkkgoBew

[eternal_spirit]

If you listen to black or death metal you'd be highly offended, Manson is pop music. In other words, they are other musicians that are way darker so why'd you chose Manson? Manson was the "it-crazed-goth-freak-of-the-late-nineties." That's all he was, no one I know in the metal community makes a hoopla over him.

Yes there's some brutal stuff about.

Becasue he's famous and there's some weird stories and facts/theories.

[supertzar]

Marilyn Manson is a household name. Most black metal is doomed to obscurity outside of its' existing fan base and no black metal band will probably ever get the popularity that MM has. He is an ordained priest of the Church of Satan and was a friend of Anton Lavey, so that is significant as well.

It's like "Black metal bands are waaay eviler than that sissy boy. You must acknowledge the eeevilness of the troo black metal!"

[pinkfreud]

Becasue he's famous and there's some weird stories and facts/theories.

and coz he (somehow) manages to bed va va vooms like dita von teese.

[existenz]

At least he hasn't become a born-again christian like Dave Mustaine. ( at least not yet). That'd be one helluva final act though. In my mind i always have some respect for him because of his Bowling for Columbine interview. It's really really something.

[jos08]

dear eternal_spirit

i have always respected your ideas and thoughts about various subjects and reading your posts makes someone realise that there is some research that has to be done on that subject. I love reading your posts always and this one is no differnet. But, you have gone off rails this time by talking about satan and things that have no true base and does not exist whatsoever. I thought by now you have been awaken somehow and noticed that the entire religion based evils and satans have no meaning and they are merely just ways to scare people into believing religion. as for Manson using these ideas to promote his album, well i think that is a good idea because there is enough stupid people to believe this stuff and find it fascianating. i hope i didn't offend you there but i had to say it.

[eternal_spirit]

and coz he (somehow) manages to bed va va vooms like dita von teese.
She's not all that.

[eternal_spirit]

Jos08 I see what you're saying. (not offended) There are people who do believe Satan is real and some of them are Satanists and the likes who do commit human/animal sacrifices in honour of Satan. So, I see it as a danger regardless if Satan exists as a being/entity.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2520279/Anton-Szandor-LaVey-The-Satanic-Bible

http://www.zimbio.com/The+Satanic+Bible/articles/38/Church+Satan+Lies+Everywhere+Grand+Magister

Myth 1. His name was actually Anton Szandor LaVey. “Anton Szandor LaVey” was not his birth name, in fact it was actually “Howard Stanton Levey”. [SOURCES: Birth certificate 4/11/1930, Cook County, Illinois. Confirmed by relatives.]

Myth 2. Anton LaVey and the people who follow his “philosophy” are the “real” Satanists, while the Satanic killers like the Mansons and the Night Stalker Killer are just the “nuts”. The truth is, LaVey prescribed rituals for Satanists that normal people would find crazy. For instance, a nude girl is used as an altar (Satanic Bible, Satanic Rituals). A human skull is used in Die Elektrischen Vorspiele ritual (Satanic Rituals, p. 109). A human leg bone or arm bone is used in Homage to Tchort ritual (p.137). A woman dressed as nun urinates before group into a bedpan in the Black Mass ritual (p.43). The urine is then sprinkled like holy water (p.44). A man climbs into coffin with nude woman (or nude man if he is gay) in Le Epais ritual (p.59). LaVey gives instructions for “turning into a werewolf” that include running around outside on all fours with a wolf mask (The Devil’s Notebook) .

LaVey claimed nuts were quickly given “the bum’s rush” when they tried to join his Church of Satan. That still didn’t stop two of the Masons (Susan Atkins and Bobby Beaseliel) and Richard “The Night Stalker ” Rameriez from joining. Satanist Patricia Hall was arrested for murder of an elderly man in Florida, and participated in the flogging and gang rape of a teenage girl. She claimed to have been baptized by LaVey himself, which he of course later denied. There have also been other thrill killers that have claimed to have been members of the Church of Satan, even though LaVey later deined it.

[onourwayto2012]

I think MM and his band just look stupid.

[kingmob]

I'm sorry, I dont' buy this BS. Have you ever listened to Marilyn Manson? He is very intelligent and far from a serial killer.

[comawhite015]

I'm sorry, I dont' buy this BS. Have you ever listened to Marilyn Manson? He is very intelligent and far from a serial killer.

Hear, hear.

And he's a fantastic painter, too.

All the satanism shit is .. shit. Marilyn rocks. :D

[madamlasher]

What's funny about this? (forget the Christ bit that's just the author of the articles faith) regardless his info about the names is correct.
Now think about the victims and their families of these murders who the band named themselves after.

I'm not religious but take offence on moral grounds.

I don't get people that take offence on moral grounds about someone or something that you could really ignore if you wanted???

Eternal spirit: stop wasting your energy on this, you are really only bringing yourself down by worrying your 'pretty little mind' on something that really doesn't matter at the end of the day... nothing you post or think is going to change MM he wouldn’t care about you so why care about him?


:rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

I don't get people that take offence on moral grounds about someone or something that you could really ignore if you wanted???

Eternal spirit: stop wasting your energy on this, you are really only bringing yourself down by worrying your 'pretty little mind' on something that really doesn't matter at the end of the day... nothing you post or think is going to change MM he wouldn’t care about you so why care about him?


:rolleyes:

Is your name related to whips? That would be S&M then.

This is what I find disturbing from a few pages back

Brian Warner later changed his name to "Marilyn Manson" (female impersonating Marilyn Monroe and glorifying Charles Manson, who brutally killed 7 people and claimed to have butchered countless others during the infamous Helter Skelter Murders) and formed a band with other transvestite homosexuals, taking the names of serial killers like "Madonna Wayne Gacy", Stephen Bier, Jr. (female impersonating Madonna and glorifying John Wayne Gacy, a homosexual serial killer who raped and murdered over 35 boys, and buried their bodies in a crawl space in his basement); Brian Tutunick "Olivia Newton Bundy," ( female impersonating Olivia Newton-John and glorifying Ted Bundy, the serial killer who claimed to have killed over a hundred young girls across the highways of America);

Jeordie White "Twiggy Rameriez", (female impersonating model Twiggy and glorifying the dreaded Satanic Night Stalker Richard Rameriez who murdered and raped women throughout several months of terror in Los Angeles and San Francisco, California); Kenny Wilson "Ginger Fish" ( female impersonating actress and dancer Ginger Rogers and glorifying Albert Fish, child murderer and cannibal who ate kids after murdering them);


Scott Mitchell Putesky "Daisy Berkowitz" (female impersonating Daisy May of the musical "Lil Abner" and glorifying Son Of Sam serial killer shooter David Berkowitz); Perry Pandrea "Zsa Zsa Speck" (female impersonating Zsa Zsa Gabor and glorifying Richard Speck who murdered 8 nurses hacking them to death with a butcher knife,) Fred Streithorst "Sara Lee Lucas" (named after Henry Lee Lucas who confessed to murdering over 250 people,)

[eternal_spirit]

Hear, hear.

And he's a fantastic painter, too.

All the satanism shit is .. shit. Marilyn rocks. :D

Marilyn suck cocks? :D
There's no accounting for musical tastes, one man's music is another mans noise.

[eternal_spirit]

I've been wondering too whether Manson, or Brian Warner (Warner Bros?), is somehow connected to Jews or Zionists. That's one his biggest failings that he's just anti-Christian, whereas he should be anti-religion, especially anti-Jewish. There was some slogan "Against all gods", but it's pretty much an isolated thing.

Yes Warner Bros is related.
Agreed about Religions, he's obviously sticking to the anti-Christ theme of the Talmud (not that they like anyone else either in that book) but, if you compare the black satanic mass, with what's in the Talmud about Christ and Christians then you'll know what I mean.

[eternal_spirit]

I've come prepared :D I maybe barking up the wrong tree

I'm waiting for someone to say why would Manson do a Nazi routine (or used too) He's acting, it's another one of those false Zionist flag ops, if you don't know what I mean read the link for one example
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10402

[madamlasher]

Is your name related to whips? That would be S&M then.

This is what I find disturbing from a few pages back

Brian Warner later changed his name to "Marilyn Manson" (female impersonating Marilyn Monroe and glorifying Charles Manson, who brutally killed 7 people and claimed to have butchered countless others during the infamous Helter Skelter Murders) and formed a band with other transvestite homosexuals, taking the names of serial killers like "Madonna Wayne Gacy", Stephen Bier, Jr. (female impersonating Madonna and glorifying John Wayne Gacy, a homosexual serial killer who raped and murdered over 35 boys, and buried their bodies in a crawl space in his basement); Brian Tutunick "Olivia Newton Bundy," ( female impersonating Olivia Newton-John and glorifying Ted Bundy, the serial killer who claimed to have killed over a hundred young girls across the highways of America);

Jeordie White "Twiggy Rameriez", (female impersonating model Twiggy and glorifying the dreaded Satanic Night Stalker Richard Rameriez who murdered and raped women throughout several months of terror in Los Angeles and San Francisco, California); Kenny Wilson "Ginger Fish" ( female impersonating actress and dancer Ginger Rogers and glorifying Albert Fish, child murderer and cannibal who ate kids after murdering them);


Scott Mitchell Putesky "Daisy Berkowitz" (female impersonating Daisy May of the musical "Lil Abner" and glorifying Son Of Sam serial killer shooter David Berkowitz); Perry Pandrea "Zsa Zsa Speck" (female impersonating Zsa Zsa Gabor and glorifying Richard Speck who murdered 8 nurses hacking them to death with a butcher knife,) Fred Streithorst "Sara Lee Lucas" (named after Henry Lee Lucas who confessed to murdering over 250 people,)


yawn* get a life, you should change your name eternal_bore, sucks to be you dude, I think if there is a God they love MM better than you for having a creative spirit and making the most of his life instead of repeating the same crap over and over on a lame forum/

do the world a favor and PLEASE do not breed OK:D

[eternal_spirit]

yawn* get a life, you should change your name eternal_bore, sucks to be you dude, I think if there is a God they love MM better than you for having a creative spirit and making the most of his life instead of repeating the same crap over and over on a lame forum/

do the world a favor and PLEASE do not breed OK:D

Oh backlash from Madame. :D So you like MM and S&M?

[eternal_spirit]

yawn* get a life, you should change your name eternal_bore, sucks to be you dude, I think if there is a God they love MM better than you for having a creative spirit and making the most of his life instead of repeating the same crap over and over on a lame forum/

do the world a favor and PLEASE do not breed OK:D

Bet I could teach or have already taught you things you didn't know just by reading some of this thread.

And if it's so lame here why post at all?

[pinkfreud]

on a lame forum


what chu doing here then hmmm?

[madamlasher]

I came on here to hopefully converse with like minded/open minded individuals etc but unfortunately come accross homophobic fearful people like eternal_spirit just shits me, forum is still lame though I'm just here for entertainment

eternal_spirit the only thing I have learnt from you is that you're homophobic and maybe you are hiding a dirty secret; you in fact have a secret fascination with MM hence the repeatitive posting and research..

let me guess you blame MM for columbine :rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

I came on here to hopefully converse with like minded/open minded individuals etc but unfortunately come accross homophobic fearful people like eternal_spirit just shits me, forum is still lame though I'm just here for entertainment

eternal_spirit the only thing I have learnt from you is that you're homophobic and maybe you are hiding a dirty secret; you in fact have a secret fascination with MM hence the repeatitive posting and research..

let me guess you blame MM for columbine :rolleyes:

So (if you're so open minded) why not answer the question I've asked you twice already:rolleyes:?

Well let's see Manson and his band name themselves after murderers who killed in honour of Satan. Some Satanists do kill people in horrible ways (all real and documented) they even kill members of their own groups/covens at times (maybe now I've typed it 3 times you'll understand the seriousness of the topics) And none of this matters to you? Obviously not, you'd rather call me names, and try get a rise off it.

(and please can you offer at least some proof that I'm a homophobe?)
I know I am not.
And fearful wtf are you on about? I make you poop your pants how so?:rolleyes: maybe MM will eat it all up and lick your pants clean afterwards) :)

Columbine NOpe.

[merlincove]

WTF is this all about? Manson is just an entertainer out to shock in the name of marketing.

Ozzie was doing the same thing 40 years ago, and now look at him. The prince of darkness? C'mon.

Manson aint my cup of tea, i can take him or leave him, but his music is catchy enough, i guess, in a dark kinda way.

He's just a guy trying to make a living. And he uses shock tactics as one gimic to do that.

He was at a festival i went to about ten years ago, and he was odd even back then. And his fans were a bit 'different'.

The world is full of diversity, if my kids choose to listen to manson, then that is cool. i know they aren't gonna turn into satanists. In the same way that i didn't through listening to Sabbath all those years ago.

[thirdwave]

Well let's see Manson and his band name themselves after murderers who killed in honour of Satan.

the thing is, did he not call him self the anti Christ super star?
could these name's be a decorative image that goes along with his title?

I don't think they were secretly hiding there Satanic-ness...?

I think what the deal was is that they used it
a, to shock and get lots of reaction... it worked BIG TIME.
b, to make a point that they oppose oppressive views and religion... which the vast majority of kids gain inspiration from as they are well aware that their unhappiness is very much created by past and present oppressive institutions... even if on a sub concious level which comes out at a rock concert frenzy...and
c, because the whole thing about Satan is not even real anyway or at least is not what most people are taught, and their views on it are based simply on the lack of occult knowledge.

[comawhite015]

Well let's see Manson and his band name themselves after murderers who killed in honour of Satan.

If you'd actually done your research into that, or even if not, then you'd notice that the names (which aren't being done anymore, anyway) had another half, too. It's an artistic statement which presented the *fact* that everyone has both a good and a dark side. Charles Manson probably did have his good points. Just like I am sure Marilyn Monroe had her bad points. Both were famous, but for entirely different reasons. It's a finger-stab at America's worship of celebrity, regardless of good or evil reasons.

But let's just not even think about anything and just focus on superficiality, shall we?

You may give me your cheeky response without actually reading or researching, now.

Oh, don't forget the LOL and the eye roll. Be a good lolcow.

(Or you can even pat me on the head and 'forgive me for being young' or something. I don't mind.)

[shenoma]

How people here have taken the time out to watch an interview on him? He explains why they choose those names, because of how people have glamorized sex and violence.

If you'd actually done your research into that, or even if not, then you'd notice that the names (which aren't being done anymore, anyway) had another half, too. It's an artistic statement which presented the *fact* that everyone has both a good and a dark side. Charles Manson probably did have his good points. Just like I am sure Marilyn Monroe had her bad points. Both were famous, but for entirely different reasons. It's a finger-stab at America's worship of celebrity, regardless of good or evil reasons.

But let's just not even think about anything and just focus on superficiality, shall we?

You may give me your cheeky response without actually reading or researching, now.

Oh, don't forget the LOL and the eye roll. Be a good lolcow.

(Or you can even pat me on the head and 'forgive me for being young' or something. I don't mind.)

[existenz]

If you'd actually done your research into that, or even if not, then you'd notice that the names (which aren't being done anymore, anyway) had another half, too. It's an artistic statement which presented the *fact* that everyone has both a good and a dark side. Charles Manson probably did have his good points. Just like I am sure Marilyn Monroe had her bad points. Both were famous, but for entirely different reasons. It's a finger-stab at America's worship of celebrity, regardless of good or evil reasons.

But let's just not even think about anything and just focus on superficiality, shall we?

You may give me your cheeky response without actually reading or researching, now.

Oh, don't forget the LOL and the eye roll. Be a good lolcow.

(Or you can even pat me on the head and 'forgive me for being young' or something. I don't mind.)

well said.

[kingmob]

Marilyn Manson actually supports a lot of the ideas that people on these forums agrue in favour of.

He has taken drastic steps to say a big fuck you to everything that is wrong with mainsteam society.

He does have a lot of dark symbolism in his motives, but when you hear him explain most of it, you definitely don't think of him as a sadist or a dumb satan worshipper. He is a very bright individual, and he has the ability to think for himself. I respect that a lot.

[lakkimakki]

i wish he was my brother !!:)

[nirvana]

Maralyn Manson promotes nothing but hatred .


Peace:)

[thirdwave]

Maralyn Manson promotes nothing but hatred .


Peace:)

really?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qesHn-CXFgY

[comawhite015]

Maralyn Manson promotes nothing but hatred .


Peace:)

really?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qesHn-CXFgY

Perfect.

I notice that no one has responded to that video yet. Good work, thirdwave.

I love his speaking voice. His vocal chords must be 5 inches thick by now :D

[thirdwave]

Perfect.

I notice that no one has responded to that video yet. Good work, thirdwave.

I love his speaking voice. His vocal chords must be 5 inches thick by now :D

yeah you get this vision of stuff just drifting over some heads as they apear oblivious.

Like I have pointed out before... those who think the universe is based on bad people in the black team... and good people based in the white team.... it can make things quite tricky.

[armoured_amazon]

really?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qesHn-CXFgY

"If I speak in the languages of humans and angels but have no love, I have become a reverberating gong or a clashing cymbal."
Cor.13:1

[nirvana]

Enlightenment if you promote hate as long as you throw in abit of goodness it balances it out.Ok right:confused:


Peace:)

[armoured_amazon]

Enlightenment if you promote hate as long as you throw in abit of goodness it balances it out.Ok right:confused:


Peace:)

I would imagine adding one drop of poison to a jug would ruin the wine. :)

[thirdwave]

"If I speak in the languages of humans and angels but have no love, I have become a reverberating gong or a clashing cymbal."
Cor.13:1


There is a difference between love and ignorance... and there is also a great deal of FAKE love.... i would prefer to listen to genuine hate, than fake love... I think REAL human emotion is what is lacking at the moment, not some manufactured love Manuel.

And thousands year old texts aimed at creating docile humans is not really much of an answer to that video.... and the pure fact you cant even comment on what he is saying and have to refer to your owners manule sums that up..

I guess if he had white teeth, a robe, and told people to trust is god, then he would be Mr Love.

if i smashed you to the floor and put my foot on you and told you the rules.... would you be angry?... would you crave justification? .... if you did not get it when you craved it, would you be happy where you are, or would you like to show people how full of shit the situation is and if they had a problem with how you where expressing your self you would just tell the to FUCK OFF....

If so how would god view you?

[eternal_spirit]

So MM is a truth seeker, the new messiah for peace :rolleyes: and grass is red right?The singer of 9 inch nails (a reference to the nails used on Christ in the crucifixion) helped promote and worked with MM.

[armoured_amazon]

There is a difference between love and ignorance... and there is also a great deal of FAKE love.... i would prefer to listen to genuine hate, than fake love... I think REAL human emotion is what is lacking at the moment, not some manufactured love Manuel.

And thousands year old texts aimed at creating docile humans is not really much of an answer to that video.... and the pure fact you cant even comment on what he is saying and have to refer to your owners manule sums that up..

I guess if he had white teeth, a robe, and told people to trust is god, then he would be Mr Love.

if i smashed you to the floor and put my foot on you and told you the rules.... would you be angry?... would you crave justification? .... if you did not get it when you craved it, would you be happy where you are, or would you like to show people how full of shit the situation is and if they had a problem with how you where expressing your self you would just tell the to FUCK OFF....

If so how would god view you?

Oh don't be silly, TW. If he had white teeth, a robe and told people to trust in god, the god he would speak of would not be one any person ought to align with unless they want to consign themself to darkness. Do you know anything about the mentally sick Brian Warner? Writes some good stuff, in fact I have all the MM albums, but as to him providing anything of worth in spiritual currency...nope.

And it's nothing to do with appearance, for goodness sake. As to the last paragraph, I am unsure as to what you are trying to convey. :confused:

Brian Warner is a little boy trying to play at being a renegade. It doesn't work.

[thirdwave]

Oh don't be silly, TW. If he had white teeth, a robe and told people to trust in god, the god he would speak of would not be one any person ought to align with unless they want to consign themself to darkness. Do you know anything about the mentally sick Brian Warner? Writes some good stuff, in fact I have all the MM albums, but as to him providing anything of worth in spiritual currency...nope.

And it's nothing to do with appearance, for goodness sake. As to the last paragraph, I am unsure as to what you are trying to convey. :confused:

Brian Warner is a little boy trying to play at being a renegade. It doesn't work.


but who is to announce who has valid spiritual currency? I would say all of us.... you listen to the guy or you don't... who is to say what is good for another man, unless that man is hurting other people of course... is MM hurting people?

as far as I can tell freedom of expression is a great thing... regardless of what you feel the need to express, the fact you are being honest and free enough to do it as a possative vibration....

my last point was trying to convey how in this world many people are not in a position to express them sevles through love... maybe it would be more simple to say.... if you hit your finger with a hammer... the chances are you will not pause and calmly not say anything and then go and pray to god.... if so, I would say you are quite un healthy....

I think a healthy reaction would be... "AAAHHHH FUCKING CUNTING FUCKER!!!"
then go and calm down and run it under the tap knowing that you did something you did not like and don't want to feel again.

MM is basically that reaction....

Now it may not be healthy to be like that all the time... but since when does spirituality only have one currency?

the only thing that is negative is when people are un able to express them sevles... what MM expresses is the state of people, the state of kids growing up in a world moving towards a NWO, these kids have found no help in the bible and if its because it is corrupt and killed off as people like you say... that it is failing and something else should be looked at.....simple as that...

[devyn]

First off I'd like to say that I am a huge Manson fan. His whole gimmick started off as doing everything he possibly could to shock and scare anyone and everyone. Basically he was an attention whore. His music as well as him have evolved over the years. Most people judge him by his looks and his antics when from his early career as well as the rumors that have been spread about him. All it takes is to listen to some of his interviews to know that what he is about is questioning everyone and everything.

MM as a band was created to slap people in the face with reality and how fake everyone and everything is. Everything he does in his videos and concerts is based on occult symbolism. This site will basically explain everything that he has has done and what it all means. MM is a lot deeper than most can imagine. In the end he is an artist nothing more nothing less. Some like his style some don't, just don't judge a book by it's cover or in this case Manson by his looks.

http://www.nachtkabarett.com/Grotesque

[merlincove]

"If I speak in the languages of humans and angels but have no love, I have become a reverberating gong or a clashing cymbal."
Cor.13:1



There is a difference between love and ignorance... and there is also a great deal of FAKE love.... i would prefer to listen to genuine hate, than fake love... I think REAL human emotion is what is lacking at the moment, not some manufactured love Manuel.

And thousands year old texts aimed at creating docile humans is not really much of an answer to that video.... and the pure fact you cant even comment on what he is saying and have to refer to your owners manule sums that up..



I think that quote is a good one. You don't have to cherish a 'thousand year old text aimed at creating docile humans' to appreciate what it is saying.

We look out through the windows of ourselves and see the world as a picture play, and we all have a tiny part to play in that whole game. And from our experience we take all the things that we feel touch us in an intrinsic way, all the things that resonate with us and we carry them around with us - they shape our mind and our way of being / understanding.

Now i am in no way preaching, but some of the things within the bible will touch us all intrinsically, and other things in there wont. The bible is a guide book to bring love and peace into the world, and unfortunately that concept has been corrupted.

If that is what manson is saying, that we ned to be aware of corruption driving our lives and shy away from that and find ourselves within then cool.

But i don't think he is a great philosopher, and i don't think that he is that deep, maybe he just pretends to be,

Ok, point in question. The award video. Look at his body language, count how many times he looks at the camera. Whatever he is saying here he doesn't mean it. He is reading from a script, you can see him continualy looking down to it. You hardly ever get a glimpse of his eyes because he doesn't look at the camera - or his audience - he keeps his focus away. That says to me that he doesn't believe what he is saying.

Ok, fair enough if he is trying to guide people to open their eyes and be aware of cultural and religious control in order to gain self autonomy, BRILLIANT, but he aint.

He’s just trying to sell records and be controversial.

Quoting a thousand year old text, is totally relevant, because this is what manson is rebelling against.

How can you say that any one of the ten commandments is irrelevant in today’s society, because ein rubbishing the bible you are in effect rubbishing everything that it contains. And what the book does contain, at its very grass roots is peace. That is what Christ stood up for and died for. And whether you are a religious fanatic or not, whether you view the book as bullshit or not, there is enough evidence to say that there was a guy who walked the planet a few thousand years ago who changed the way people look at things and who changed the way people view themselves, and in a way he changed the world.

Manson’s continued ridicule of that concept is a little dangerous. Saying to kids, don’t believe in this guy, but believe in what I say (when I can not even look you in the eye while I’m talking to you) is more subversive than the machine (church) that he is preaching against?

Whether you accept the bastardised concept of literature that we see today as the bible as holy or not is irrelevant. Some of the words in there still carry a strong message all these years later.

I think the quote was perfect for this thread, nice one Amazon.

But we are still debating the moral concepts of someone who is a media slut. Give me attention, I am worthy because this is who I am, I have something to say, listen to me.

Big brother is full of these people. Although even compared to manson they remain brainless idiots for the most part.

We judge him on what he says and who we perceive him to be. He makes great music, and I enjoy listening to it. He can take his philosophies and preach to someone else, I don’t care for them because they are hype and bullshit.

How can we really know who he is, because he is a pantomime character playing a part that he believes will rocket him into stardom in a world that is hungry for strange characters to adore, in a world that demands oddness, in a world that is hungry for anyone to be a guru. Manson is just prostituting himself out to those demands and meeting them with his own brand of self.

We take him too seriously.

And at the end of the day, his opinions are his and he has a right to them, whether we agree with them or not. He will continue on to be who he is, because people out there like it and demand it.

Whether he is negative or not doesn’t matter. There is no such thing as negative or positive energy anyway. It is all just an energy and what defines it is how it makes us feel.

He is a part of the game, and he is playing his part, up there in the public arena. He’s just a player. He hasn’t killed anyone or raped anyone or played with ritual sacrifice, has he? He just plays at it.

Listen to his music, you either like it or you don’t.

What is his message? Hate me because I stand against everything you believe to be true? Then lets see some more evidence manson, show us how what we believe to be true is wrong. He doesn’t do that, he just talks from a script to get a reaction. This whole thread is testament to that.

peace

[existenz]

@merlin
He is not shying away from eye-contact since there is nobody there but a camera and a cameraman maybe to make eye contact. And yes he is reading something but it's not a script he is reading the names of the footballers or whatnot who committed crimes. Anyway it doesnt matter you are seeing what u wanna see. A media slut? Yea maybe he is but at least one with guts and brains. And i never ever understand why do we need "thousand year old books"
to be good, moral and whatever ? I dont friggin need any book, anyone or instution to preach me anything. I am my own priest. There is inherit good (and evil?) in all of us..
@nirvana Maybe MM reflects what is inside of you as a true artist would. Maybe you are the one so full of hate?

[eternal_spirit]

but at least one with guts and brains. And i never ever understand why do we need "thousand year old books"
to be good, moral and whatever ? I dont friggin need any book, anyone or instution to preach me anything. I am my own priest. There is inherit good (and evil?) in all of us..


MM is in the "Church" of Satan, he has a title which the name escapes me at the moment, but he is of high ranked "Priest" The Satanic Bible is a new book, but some of it's contents are from ancient sources and ideas from other more recent authors etc. He maybe a Freemason too, and what other if any groups does he belong to OTO maybe?

EDIT point is - how many scripts is he reading from and other people's ideas which influence him.

[marpat]

MM is in the "Church" of Satan, he has a title which the name escapes me at the moment, but he is of high ranked "Priest" The Satanic Bible is a new book, but some of it's contents are from ancient sources and ideas from other more recent authors etc. He maybe a Freemason too, and what other if any groups does he belong to OTO maybe?

EDIT point is - how many scripts is he reading from and other people's ideas which influence him.

So he may be this and that. Not really proof is it? more like trying to pin as many things on him as possible. Even if he was a member of those groups, so what? people have a choice to join such things.

[lyrag]

I agree with everything your saying, but where is the evidence of him raping people on stage?? How come the bouncers would allow this

[lyrag]

First off I'd like to say that I am a huge Manson fan. His whole gimmick started off as doing everything he possibly could to shock and scare anyone and everyone. Basically he was an attention whore. His music as well as him have evolved over the years. Most people judge him by his looks and his antics when from his early career as well as the rumors that have been spread about him. All it takes is to listen to some of his interviews to know that what he is about is questioning everyone and everything.

MM as a band was created to slap people in the face with reality and how fake everyone and everything is. Everything he does in his videos and concerts is based on occult symbolism. This site will basically explain everything that he has has done and what it all means. MM is a lot deeper than most can imagine. In the end he is an artist nothing more nothing less. Some like his style some don't, just don't judge a book by it's cover or in this case Manson by his looks.

http://www.nachtkabarett.com/Grotesque

All that being said, if the rumors are true, how would/could you respect someone like that?????????????? i didn't realise these where just rumors, i thought these people are saying they are real?

[merlincove]

@merlin
He is not shying away from eye-contact since there is nobody there but a camera and a cameraman maybe to make eye contact. And yes he is reading something but it's not a script he is reading the names of the footballers or whatnot who committed crimes. Anyway it doesnt matter you are seeing what u wanna see. A media slut? Yea maybe he is but at least one with guts and brains. And i never ever understand why do we need "thousand year old books"
to be good, moral and whatever ? I dont friggin need any book, anyone or instution to preach me anything. I am my own priest. There is inherit good (and evil?) in all of us..
@nirvana Maybe MM reflects what is inside of you as a true artist would. Maybe you are the one so full of hate?

I see what I see, it isn’t always what I want to see, because I try to view things with an open mind. Not making eye contact because he is / would be looking at the camera? Well, that is rubbish. If he believed what he was saying, that those words were coming from his heart and his inner truth, then he would look directly at the camera, if only to emphasise his passion. Look at his video’s - here in his 'music' vids, this guy is a master at marketing himself. He looks at the camera because the camera is his audience, it is the media with which he sells his image. Not looking at the camera, for a man of his standing, just says that he doesn’t believe what he is saying. His body language is not particulately good in that video, whereas in other forums, before a camera, his body language is overtly brilliant. See the difference. He is selling his music / sound, he has a passion for it and he believes in it. He doesn’t, in my opinion, believe in the message he is delivering in this vid. He doesn’t want to be there, he is grossly uneasy.

Yes he does have brains, and that is brilliant, he knows what he wants and isn’t prepared to sell himself cheaply like most if not all of the other media sluts. But neither should he, because unlike all those others he has a talent.

I like his music, it has balls, it has essence.

You may not need any frigging book existenz, and fair play to you for being strong enough to want to shape your ideals around your own core concepts. My point was, that we each take from life many many small lessons, we learn a little here and a little there. You might pick up a book and read it and think yeah, that line really resonates with something within me. I can dig that idea, I can see what the author is saying and you can feel touched by that. It might even be a line from a song, or a movie, but whatever it is and wherever it is found it may touch you so deeply that it becomes a part of you, adds to the shape that is you. It might not become you, it may not shape you or define you, but you can fold that conceptional idea into you.

It doesn’t matter whether that book is the bible or not. You may not need ‘any frigging book’ and that is cool. But without us having the ability to touch someone else’s truth – if we weren’t able to read books and listen to music then we wouldn’t be able to touch those truths and we may never find them alone.

A million records might come out of the radio and you may sit back and let them all wash over you, and you may concede to yourself that they are crap. Because lets face it, most of them are! And then you’ll hear one record, and you’ll have to stop the car, stop whatever you are doing, and take a breath - because that record touches you so deeply and intrinsically. Imagine did that to me when I first heard it. It stole my breathe, wow what a moment. And a few months ago I heard Leona Lewis sing run and I had to stop the car and just listen. I was touched by something so beautiful it made me cry. It may not be everybody’s cup of tea but it affected me.

And without that link, without allowing ourselves that link, if we close ourselves down to seeing all these beautiful moments of life because we are too scarred of being indoctrinated into something then our life is a waste. And of course if we read the bible, or any other book, and we think that was BS, then cool, but we have at least opened ourselves up to the concept of learning something. And if we read the whole book, we might get the equivalent of one million records washing over us and not touching us, but there many be one single line in there that says something to us. That was my point.

We don’t need the bible, not really. Because the bible is a tool of control. I don’t believe that it was meant to be. I think that Christ came here to tell us one thing; Drink wine, be nice to each other and be happy. Everything else is just a tool of control.

But my quote from Amazon is a nice quote too. And there are probably others.

Mother Theresa said; God doesn’t require us to succeed, he only requires that we try. You don’t need to believe in god to see the beauty wrapped up within those words.

You don’t need to believe in the bible to see that there is beauty within it.

QUOTE I dont friggin need any book, anyone or instution to preach me anything. I am my own priest.

There is a great philosophy, it may have a name and if it has I do not know it, but it works by saying that we look at all the religions and take the bits that we find relevant to us on board and discard the rest. I am sure that His Holiness the Dalia Lama has said something very similar. And I think that it is a great philosophy. Because in doing that we become our own priest, we take away the power of the church that try’s to control us and we accept our own power – we see the strength of us as being within us and not outside of us.

Manson is not a Satanist. He may play at being a Satanist, but he is also playing a game. I don’t think he is a mason or an occultist. Someone posted that he had breast implants? Well I thought that it was a body suit with breast implants? And if he did so what? The female form is beautiful, the male form is beautiful, that portrayal was in honour of that beauty surely? Manson was maybe attempting to portray the ultimate beauty, to bring both forms together as a sexual being? Maybe he was saying why have boundaries, or even appreciate yourself for who you are? Nothing wrong in that, I don’t think.

This guy is not the be all and end all of evil. He’s just a guy doing his best to get on.

There are sick bastards out there who kill people in the name of sport, in the name of whatever. There are sick bastards out there hanging up corpses of American servicemen and burning them, killing hostages on the tv. There are sick bastards out there posting video’s of these atrocities. There are sick bastards out there doing unspeakable things to kids. There are sick bastards out there sacrificing people within ritual satanic cults. There are sick bastards out there walking around in bed sheets and burning people because of the colour of their skin. Need I continue?

Dahrma. Nilson. Bronson. Charles Manson. Sutcliffe. Brady. Huntley. Bundy. John Wayne Casey. Son of Sam. Beverley Allet.

The world has a lot more terror and sickness in it than MM.

MM is an artist. So is Damien Hirst and so is Tracey Emin (apparently). You may not like their brand of art, but some people do. You may, like me, think that it is shit. Or you may have a penchant for it and want it in your house. It takes all sorts, lol.

Damien hirst’s art makes me feel sick. Tracey Emin’s art makes me feel angry. Manson’s art, I can listen to it, but I tend not to get to excited about his image or his message, because it is a game, and I don’t think that you need to play the game, or even that you need to appreciate the game to accept the players skill?


Sorry for such a long post again.

peace :D

[thelonious]

MM is in the "Church" of Satan, he has a title which the name escapes me at the moment, but he is of high ranked "Priest" The Satanic Bible is a new book, but some of it's contents are from ancient sources and ideas from other more recent authors etc.

I own a copy of the Satanic Bible, have had ever since it came out. It's a really bad plagiarism of Nietzsche and Crowley. Never saw anything "ancient" in it, except maybe the desire to make a few bucks off of shock value.

He maybe a Freemason too, and what other if any groups does he belong to OTO maybe?

Church of Satan members are atheists, which would automatically disqualify them from Masonic membership, not even counting the other stuff. As far as OTO goes, OTO people and Church of Satan people usually don't get along very well with each other, generally due to LaVey's having bashed Crowley in the Satanic Bible, as well as OTO people calling Church of Satan people "retards".

[armoured_amazon]

I think that quote is a good one. You don't have to cherish a 'thousand year old text aimed at creating docile humans' to appreciate what it is saying.

We look out through the windows of ourselves and see the world as a picture play, and we all have a tiny part to play in that whole game. And from our experience we take all the things that we feel touch us in an intrinsic way, all the things that resonate with us and we carry them around with us - they shape our mind and our way of being / understanding.

Now i am in no way preaching, but some of the things within the bible will touch us all intrinsically, and other things in there wont. The bible is a guide book to bring love and peace into the world, and unfortunately that concept has been corrupted.

If that is what manson is saying, that we ned to be aware of corruption driving our lives and shy away from that and find ourselves within then cool.

But i don't think he is a great philosopher, and i don't think that he is that deep, maybe he just pretends to be,

Ok, point in question. The award video. Look at his body language, count how many times he looks at the camera. Whatever he is saying here he doesn't mean it. He is reading from a script, you can see him continualy looking down to it. You hardly ever get a glimpse of his eyes because he doesn't look at the camera - or his audience - he keeps his focus away. That says to me that he doesn't believe what he is saying.

Ok, fair enough if he is trying to guide people to open their eyes and be aware of cultural and religious control in order to gain self autonomy, BRILLIANT, but he aint.

He’s just trying to sell records and be controversial.

Quoting a thousand year old text, is totally relevant, because this is what manson is rebelling against.

How can you say that any one of the ten commandments is irrelevant in today’s society, because ein rubbishing the bible you are in effect rubbishing everything that it contains. And what the book does contain, at its very grass roots is peace. That is what Christ stood up for and died for. And whether you are a religious fanatic or not, whether you view the book as bullshit or not, there is enough evidence to say that there was a guy who walked the planet a few thousand years ago who changed the way people look at things and who changed the way people view themselves, and in a way he changed the world.

Manson’s continued ridicule of that concept is a little dangerous. Saying to kids, don’t believe in this guy, but believe in what I say (when I can not even look you in the eye while I’m talking to you) is more subversive than the machine (church) that he is preaching against?

Whether you accept the bastardised concept of literature that we see today as the bible as holy or not is irrelevant. Some of the words in there still carry a strong message all these years later.

I think the quote was perfect for this thread, nice one Amazon.

But we are still debating the moral concepts of someone who is a media slut. Give me attention, I am worthy because this is who I am, I have something to say, listen to me.

Big brother is full of these people. Although even compared to manson they remain brainless idiots for the most part.

We judge him on what he says and who we perceive him to be. He makes great music, and I enjoy listening to it. He can take his philosophies and preach to someone else, I don’t care for them because they are hype and bullshit.

How can we really know who he is, because he is a pantomime character playing a part that he believes will rocket him into stardom in a world that is hungry for strange characters to adore, in a world that demands oddness, in a world that is hungry for anyone to be a guru. Manson is just prostituting himself out to those demands and meeting them with his own brand of self.

We take him too seriously.

And at the end of the day, his opinions are his and he has a right to them, whether we agree with them or not. He will continue on to be who he is, because people out there like it and demand it.

Whether he is negative or not doesn’t matter. There is no such thing as negative or positive energy anyway. It is all just an energy and what defines it is how it makes us feel.

He is a part of the game, and he is playing his part, up there in the public arena. He’s just a player. He hasn’t killed anyone or raped anyone or played with ritual sacrifice, has he? He just plays at it.

Listen to his music, you either like it or you don’t.

What is his message? Hate me because I stand against everything you believe to be true? Then lets see some more evidence manson, show us how what we believe to be true is wrong. He doesn’t do that, he just talks from a script to get a reaction. This whole thread is testament to that.

peace

Great post. You hit the nail on the head far more eloquently than I. Excellent. :)

[thirdwave]

Great post. You hit the nail on the head far more eloquently than I. Excellent. :)

of course you are not in charge of your self god is... the only control you have is to do what god says... if it was not for got you would obviously be evil.

[revolutionary_jam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgyayCLOe2c

[armoured_amazon]

of course you are not in charge of your self god is... the only control you have is to do what god says... if it was not for got you would obviously be evil.

What a stupid post.

[devyn]

All that being said, if the rumors are true, how would/could you respect someone like that?????????????? i didn't realise these where just rumors, i thought these people are saying they are real?

If the rumors were true, I'm not sure I would have the same respect. I would look at him differently but the thing is the site that the OP linked was a site for hardcore Christians who believe that anything that isn't christian is considered evil, satanic, and most of the info is ridiculously exaggerated such as him getting breasts (it was a suit to make him look like an androgynous alien). The removal of his ribs so he can give himself oral sex was also BS. As well as the crap about him and the band being homosexuals. Has he done stupid things in his early career? Sure. He was young and stupid and out to shock the world. He has painted a target on himself that is going to be hard to remove and he's at a point where he has moved past all that.

As for his relationship with Dita, well that ended because he would spend all day sleeping and was up all night, she wanted to change him to be more like a normal guy. She said that he was really clingy and always needed to be with her and when she was away he would fall into states of depression. He's got problems but then again who in this world doesn't. He's not perfect and neither is anyone else.

[merlincove]

Anyone remember when Lennon said 'we are bigger than God'? That one line, misconstrued out of all proportion sent the Beatle's image into meltdown with all the christian churches.

And it got them some awesome coverage in the states.

What we have to remember is that people who live in the public spotlight are not normal people, in general. I am sure that there are a few, but on the most part they are all for promoting themselves.

That suit he had made was pretty cool, i always thought. The rib thing, i don't know about that. Seems a bit odd that you'd want to do that to yourself when you have the host of women, and men, Manson has around him who would do it for you anyway.

What Lennon said was right, the Beatles at the time were bigger in the minds of American and British youth than God. He wasn't saying they were better than God, and that is the crux.

When you are in the glare of that spotlight, everything you do or say is then magnified.

Ozzie said that he was the Peince of Darkness as a joke, and that label has stuck with him for 40 years. The younger generation may not recall the bat incident, but that again was an image he carried for many years.

i think that we can all have our opinions on Manson, but hey does any of us trully know him, can any of us condem him for being who he is - especially when you ask yourself just what has he done that is so bad, what has he done to align himself with satan?

OP has his opinion, and everyone else has theirs. Manson has created an image of an enigma around himself. And it pays his wages.

[armoured_amazon]

As for his relationship with Dita, well that ended because he would spend all day sleeping and was up all night, she wanted to change him to be more like a normal guy. She said that he was really clingy and always needed to be with her and when she was away he would fall into states of depression. He's got problems but then again who in this world doesn't. He's not perfect and neither is anyone else.

Did Dita tell you that?

[eternal_spirit]

Anyone remember when Lennon said 'we are bigger than God'? That one line, misconstrued out of all proportion sent the Beatle's image into meltdown with all the christian churches.

And it got them some awesome coverage in the states.



That suit he had made was pretty cool, i always thought. The rib thing, i don't know about that. Seems a bit odd that you'd want to do that to yourself when you have the host of women, and men, Manson has around him who would do it for you anyway.





Publicity and propaganda, a film showing some actors or a small minority of Christians getting angry at the Beatles, while millions of other Christians still listened to the Beatles.

Yes famous people can do some weird shit

The suit maybe he wanted to feel more close to Baphomet or some hermaphrodite God.

LOL I don't believe the rib story for those who don't know (MM was said to have had some ribs removed so he could suck his own dick:rolleyes:)

Ozzy wasn't endorsing the Church of Satan or a member neither was he preaching against Christians.

[angel wings]

Is that naked boy pic from Masons site? If so I can't see why people are defending him.

Who would associate themselves with an image of a naked little boy???? WTF!!! When did this sh!t become justified?? The boy is in a suggestable pose for crying out loud, this doesn't sit well and made me feel very uncomfortable.

Marketing ploy is one thing, but then you have to ask yourself what price is this guy willing to pay to be famous?

[thirdwave]

What a stupid post.

well is that not what you are saying?

if you did not believe in Jesus Christ would you be evil?....

[thirdwave]

Is that naked boy pic from Masons site? If so I can't see why people are defending him.

Who would associate themselves with an image of a naked little boy???? WTF!!! When did this sh!t become justified?? The boy is in a suggestable pose for crying out loud, this doesn't sit well and made me feel very uncomfortable.

Marketing ploy is one thing, but then you have to ask yourself what price is this guy willing to pay to be famous?

what image are you talking about?

[wisdomgirl]

first off i think he does for a reaction, which people duly give, hence attentions, sales. if he is a satanist, its due to to seeing the corruption of satincally owned, operated organised religions, you think satan does not reside in the vatican. satanism, organised religion, new age stuff is the devils buffet, take whatever dish you want, its all drunk with babylon/harlots wine. the teachings of yashuah, moses etc are still in there but are inserted between satanic programming, satan is clever, smart, he most probably jokes, laughs at these make up wearing people, they are his lackeys etc. like skin heads are the lackeys for the real power, the real people with power, on the surafce embody the "nuclear family value". lets move past teen angst, crying bullshit, society is bad. marilyn mansion is establishment, he is the establishments jester, pied piper, supporting, empowering the very thing he publically opposes. these peopel are jokes, ohh by being goth looking, saying bad words, doing attention whorting acts, we are so fucking cool, its cool if you are 16, dumbarse and emotionally vunerable.

that punk bitch still would die with a bullet from freedom fighter, you guys need to toughen up, bitches in drag, and its scary. scary is being a parent getting bombed by evil satanic people that wear military fatigues, fly million dollar airplanes, and are controlled by baby kissing, photo opportunity taking, armani suit wearing, ivy league educated, church going dimwits. they are the real power, marlyn is so fucked, weak in his head, look at his eyes, he is a tool, product, marketing mans dream, a lost soul.

you know what that devil sign being done by bush is more valubale than him.

ephesians 6-12, the powers above, not the pawns, chess pieces. eternal we on the same side bro, but let the wannabe counter culture twits,who thinik by consumption of anti society marketed products define themselves as cool. what record label is he on, what music/news channels, logic bro.

he had a fit chick that dita, he couldn't even keep her contented. the thing that pisses me is that most kids in into that type of music, are actually very meek, sensitive, intelligent, and are aware of the injustice of the world. however they choose one opposame for another. talk to these emo/goths, they are nice people, talk to bikers etc, they are cool. as for kurt, look, pain creats great art, its the necessary part of it. the thing they fail to realise is that the power that causes the pain they rebel against, is the power that controls their escape/answer, its a win win for evil.


I absolutley agree with all you said, a well presented post :) your point about the kids who are into that music or culture are intelligent. I live near camden in north london and sometimes get talking to these people for whatever reason, and i have been surprised at how mature and none scary they are. It's just a pity they are into this scence to be honest.

They like being part of a counter culture and not being with the norm it's a rebelious thing for some, but many take the serious route of practising satanisum unfortunatley :( In regards to manson himself i've never listened to his music so can't pass any judgment it's not my bag. What i don't like is his image weather it's for real or not it's unsightley and over the top. To each there own.

These individuals have chosen their own paths in life and some people like myself don't like that but that's there culture and many have to get used to them. It's not illegal so there's not much people can do but it, if they start to harm people the system should deal with them accordingley no? With "the system" being corupt that's never going to happen. It hasn't in the past and that won't change.

[xpleet]

It's part of the trick.


If you take Satan as a real being, then you would have to realize that 1. Satan would create christianity and other prison religions in order to 2. inspire people to revolt and create a (controlled opposition) counter-culture at the cost "of their soul" by inspiring hate, rage etc.

When I was unaware I did tend to enter the trap, I listened to a trash metal band that was lyrically oriented at "all the shit and coruption of the world". I realized what detrimental shit I was actually listening to when in an apocalyptic song I recognized the verse (probably after the 20th time) "A savior appears...and Satan was his name!" From the bottom up it can be hard to break the chains of melancholy cause it can become a sort of pleasure.


The excuses, people find who are inspired by dark-music are ridiculous.
There's nothing more positive on a different path of darkness.
Marilyn Manson would end up as evil as Bush. -> = < -
At best it would be evil vs another evil.

[comawhite015]

First off I'd like to say that I am a huge Manson fan. His whole gimmick started off as doing everything he possibly could to shock and scare anyone and everyone. Basically he was an attention whore. His music as well as him have evolved over the years. Most people judge him by his looks and his antics when from his early career as well as the rumors that have been spread about him. All it takes is to listen to some of his interviews to know that what he is about is questioning everyone and everything.

MM as a band was created to slap people in the face with reality and how fake everyone and everything is. Everything he does in his videos and concerts is based on occult symbolism. This site will basically explain everything that he has has done and what it all means. MM is a lot deeper than most can imagine. In the end he is an artist nothing more nothing less. Some like his style some don't, just don't judge a book by it's cover or in this case Manson by his looks.

http://www.nachtkabarett.com/Grotesque


Perfect. The Nachtkabarett is an awesome site.


MM is in the "Church" of Satan, he has a title which the name escapes me at the moment, but he is of high ranked "Priest" The Satanic Bible is a new book, but some of it's contents are from ancient sources and ideas from other more recent authors etc. He maybe a Freemason too, and what other if any groups does he belong to OTO maybe?

EDIT point is - how many scripts is he reading from and other people's ideas which influence him.

Bloody hell you're annoying. What do you do, just find 'factoids'? Go away.

[wisdomgirl]

I forgot about this case from a few years ago and it's really sick about the girl who was murdered by her boyfriend. This also mentions manson as an infuluence by the murderer too.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/teenager-convicted-of-jodi-murder-487597.html

[yeshua]

Has anyone posted this picture?
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/marilynmason.jpg

[comawhite015]

^^ That picture is a pisstake. He hates Masons as much as anyone.

edit: Marilyn has an incredibly dry and sarcastic sense of humour. You have to keep that in mind.

[thirdwave]

Bloody hell you're annoying. What do you do, just find 'factoids'? Go away.

first of all ES does not understand that not everyone thinks people in the "church of Satan" are evil.... so even if MM was in it, it would not really matter to people... I dont think the church of Satan is any worse than any other church.

and second of all, he WANTS to think MM is a bad guy so will believe any source who also WANT to believe he is a bad guy, and then will wonder why others who do not see him as a bad guy based in his and others limited views on him... it can be a bit like trying to get a cat or dog to look at the moon.

its like what you say about his sense of humour... they will still use it as a way of attacking him.. why wouldn't they? But the bottom line is why would someone like MM even bother to try and have a relation with these people?... it would be like trying to make friends with a brick wall.

[thirdwave]

Has anyone posted this picture?
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i48/venus_boy23/marilynmason.jpg

given that MM calls him self the anti Christ... and deliberately acts satanic and offensive .... you actually think because he is clearly wearing a Freemason ring that he is exposed???

lol

[comawhite015]

first of all ES does not understand that not everyone thinks people in the "church of Satan" are evil.... so even if MM was in it, it would not really matter to people... I dont think the church of Satan is any worse than any other church.

and second of all, he WANTS to think MM is a bad guy so will believe any source who also WANT to believe he is a bad guy, and then will wonder why others who do not see him as a bad guy based in his and others limited views on him... it can be a bit like trying to get a cat or dog to look at the moon.

its like what you say about his sense of humour... they will still use it as a way of attacking him.. why wouldn't they? But the bottom line is why would someone like MM even bother to try and have a relation with these people?... it would be like trying to make friends with a brick wall.

Well said, again =)

I wonder what fun idiot factoids he is going to paste in from the next website that I'll have to clean up.

Just to clarify, Marilyn met Anton Lavey *once*..

This was in like, 1992. Fucken *ages* ago.. and he gave Marilyn a card. A piece of cardboard. Which proclaimed that Marilyn was an 'Honorary Bishop' of the Church of Satan. He just sort of shrugged and put it in his pocket.

That was it.

OoOoOooo. Scary huh. *giggle* =D

edit: 'But that's what they WANT you to believe! He holds black masses on stage etc etc and steals souls and rapes virgins and eats puppies'

Wait for it..

[thirdwave]

I forgot about this case from a few years ago and it's really sick about the girl who was murdered by her boyfriend. This also mentions manson as an infuluence by the murderer too.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/teenager-convicted-of-jodi-murder-487597.html

of course, its his fault.

when you have super model girl bands setting the standards for young girls who happen to kill them sevles for not matching up to society's expectations.... they are innocent and good for the country....

as soon as an MM fan does something wrong everyone knows about it...

:rolleyes:

add Ozzy and Judas Priest to that list as well ...

[comawhite015]

of course, its his fault.

when you have super model girl bands setting the standards for young girls who happen to kill them sevles for not matching up to society's expectations.... they are innocent and good for the country....

as soon as an MM fan does something wrong everyone knows about it...

:rolleyes:

add Ozzy and Judas Priest to that list as well ...

He did a song called 'Target Audience (Narcissus Narcosis)' which addresses that very issue.

Am I sorry your sky went black?
You put your knives in babies backs.
Am I sorry you killed the Kennedys and Huxley too?

But I'm sorry Shakespeare was your scapegoat,
and your apple's sticking into my throat,
Sorry your Sunday smiles are rusted nails
and your crucifixion commercials failed..

But I'm just a pitiful anonymous..

And I see all the young believers,
Your target audience.
I see all the old deceivers,
we all just sing their song.

Am I sorry just to be alive?
Putting my face in the beehive?
Am I sorry for Booth and Oswald, pinks and cocaine too?

I'm sorry you never checked the bag in my head for a bomb,
and my halo was a needle hole..
I'm sorry I saw a priest being beaten and I made a wish.

But I'm just a pitiful anonymous

"Valley of death we are free,
your father's your prison you see."

You're just a copy of an imitation.

[yeshua]

given that MM calls him self the anti Christ... and deliberately acts satanic and offensive .... you actually think because he is clearly wearing a Freemason ring that he is exposed???

lol

Um, I didn't say anything about anyone being exposed, I just posted a picture. But why are you so sure what he's doing is satire or irony? Even if it is, he could still be being used as a tool. The mainstream public will not see any hidden message he's trying to portray.

[comawhite015]

Um, I didn't say anything about anyone being exposed, I just posted a picture. But why are you so sure what he's doing is satire or irony? Even if it is, he could still be being used as a tool. The mainstream public will not see any hidden message he's trying to portray.

no but.. fans of his and people who know what he's about, do... I did.. I giggled. You're tarring a lot of people with the 'stupid' brush, there.

Most people don't even know what the Masonic logo *looks* like, anyway.

[yeshua]

no but.. fans of his and people who know what he's about, do... I did.. I giggled. You're tarring a lot of people with the 'stupid' brush, there.

Most people don't even know what the Masonic logo *looks* like, anyway.

I just feel like some of you guys are being a little biased about Marilyn Manson because you're fans. I'm a huge fan of David Bowie but lately I've been questioning his motives too. To me the truth is more important than being a "fan". MM, like Bowie, protrays characters and toys with themes and concepts in his work, but like I said, he could still be being used. I believe Bowie was used as a tool in the 70's. He introduced Kabbalah to the masses in the 70, it was later picked up by Mick Jagger, after that Madonna...now look at Kabbalah. In the 70's Bowie was criticized for being a Satanist when he was studying Kabbalah, nowadays no one looks at famous Kabbalist like Britney Spears, Demi Moore, and Lindsay Lohan as Satanist because it has been normalized. I understand Mason may not be into the Occult in his personal life but his public image could still be being used. I'm curious why he chose an Occult theme for his wedding if it's only a stage image though...

[comawhite015]

Like you're not being biased? You're so desperate to find things to criticise that you're blowing things out of proportion.

Marilyn also used Kabbalah symbolism in Antichrist Superstar. It was done very intelligently, and he never made a secret of it. The album also makes use of the Tetragrammaton, the Tarot, Numerology, and Nietzche. You can find all the information you'd like about it on www.nachtkabarett.com

It's just art. Not to everyone's tastes, but that's all it is. Just because such things are incorporated into it does not automatically make it 'OMG SATANIC MIND CONTROL'.

It's just art.

[mrblitz]

This lyric is interesting:

'Am I sorry you killed the Kennedys and Huxley too?'

If memory serves, Huxley and JFK died on the exact same day; same with CS Lewis.

[comawhite015]

This lyric is interesting:

'Am I sorry you killed the Kennedys and Huxley too?'

If memory serves, Huxley and JFK died on the exact same day; same with CS Lewis.

You'd be totally correct.

[yeshua]

Like you're not being biased? You're so desperate to find things to criticise that you're blowing things out of proportion.

Marilyn also used Kabbalah symbolism in Antichrist Superstar. It was done very intelligently, and he never made a secret of it. The album also makes use of the Tetragrammaton, the Tarot, Numerology, and Nietzche. You can find all the information you'd like about it on www.nachtkabarett.com

It's just art. Not to everyone's tastes, but that's all it is. Just because such things are incorporated into it does not automatically make it 'OMG SATANIC MIND CONTROL'.

It's just art.

Desperate? I posted a picture and replied twice, now I'm desperate? Wow.

I clearly said he may not be into the Occult, but he could be being as a tool, so I don't really get why you're implying that I'm saying Manson is a Satanist or mind controlled. You're jumping to conclusions and assuming things to defend your idol. I'm very aware of Mansons inclusive of Kabbalah and other Occult themes in his work so I don't need you trying to inform me. Again, you seem to be under the impression that I'm one of those people that will automatically brand Marilyn as a Satanist but I'm not. I'm just saying he could be being used without his knowledge.

[comawhite015]

Desperate? I posted a picture and replied twice, now I'm desperate? Wow.

I clearly said he may not be into the Occult, but he could be being as a tool, so I don't really get why you're implying that I'm saying Manson is a Satanist or mind controlled. You're jumping to conclusions and assuming things to defend your idol. I'm very aware of Mansons inclusive of Kabbalah and other Occult themes in his work so I don't need you trying to inform me. Again, you seem to be under the impression that I'm one of those people that will automatically brand Marilyn as a Satanist but I'm not. I'm just saying he could be being used without his knowledge.

When did I say he was my 'idol'?

Other than that, I have nothing to say to that, really. Sure. Anything is possible.

But I see him doing nothing except try to open people's eyes to the NWO, not obfuscate the issue.

[yeshua]

When did I say he was my 'idol'?



Idol/favorite musician/whatever, the point is you seem to be defending him because you like him. It's not necessary though because I'm not even attacking him.

[yeshua]

But I see him doing nothing except try to open people's eyes to the NWO, not obfuscate the issue.

That could be true. That's the beautiful thing about art, you can look at it from so many angles. One person can look at Manson's work as deliberate advertising of the Occult and the Illuminati and here we have you who says it's just his way of exploring those themes and opening peoples eyes. In a way it's better that artists don't spell it out for us because it forces the public to think for themselves and come up with their own conclusions.

[comawhite015]

That could be true. That's the beautiful thing about art, you can look at it from so many angles. One person can look at Manson's work as deliberate advertising of the Occult and the Illuminati and here we have you who says it's just his way of exploring those themes and opening peoples eyes. In a way it's better that artists don't spell it out for us because it forces the public to think for themselves and come up with their own conclusions.

Manson himself said "Art should be a question mark". It's quite true.

And yeah, I do like him. He's an artist on many levels, and incredibly intelligent. I like smart art =)

[armoured_amazon]

I just feel like some of you guys are being a little biased about Marilyn Manson because you're fans. I'm a huge fan of David Bowie but lately I've been questioning his motives too.

Same here.

When did I say he was my 'idol'?

Other than that, I have nothing to say to that, really. Sure. Anything is possible.

But I see him doing nothing except try to open people's eyes to the NWO, not obfuscate the issue.

Oh, puh-lease. Aside from your username, Mr When did I say he was my idol?, if you think any of us are stupid enough to have MM as a guide...whatever. The only place he'd guide anyone is off a cliff. As others have said, people need to stop confusing created and manipulated substance with the person. And in fact, forget the whole issue and go get het up about something worthwhile instead.

[comawhite015]

Oh, puh-lease. Aside from your username, Mr When did I say he was my idol?, if you think any of us are stupid enough to have MM as a guide...whatever. The only place he'd guide anyone is off a cliff. As others have said, people need to stop confusing created and manipulated substance with the person. And in fact, forget the whole issue and go get het up about something worthwhile instead.

Yes, dear.

I'm well aware of your views. But you're not very well informed.

edit: And you seem to be completely blind to your own bias, Miss Bible Quote.

[thirdwave]

Um, I didn't say anything about anyone being exposed, I just posted a picture. But why are you so sure what he's doing is satire or irony? Even if it is, he could still be being used as a tool. The mainstream public will not see any hidden message he's trying to portray.

but i judge him from what i see he does.... does this not seem like the best method to you????

should i listen to people like you making guess's or implications on what he is, or should i look at him my self and judge what I get from the guy?

any person who is a big hit will in some way have tags on them placed by the elite.. this does not mean they are there to hurt people.. it simply means the elite are making money off them and hence claim a bit of what they are doing... a bit of ownership..

does not mean every time i see a odd symbol im going to freak out and worry if i am being tricked... I trust my judgement.

[thirdwave]

I just feel like some of you guys are being a little biased about Marilyn Manson because you're fans.

To this day I have bought 1 MM album the one that got him big and have not bought one since..... I think he is very creative and can rock... but I find the music a little repetative at times and not my first choice... I still think he is an interesting person though and agree with much he has to say....

I'm a huge fan of David Bowie but lately I've been questioning his motives too.
you are free to question away.... but it does not mean others will see the same thing.


To me the truth is more important than being a "fan". MM, like Bowie, protrays characters and toys with themes and concepts in his work, Its called art.


but like I said, he could still be being used. I believe Bowie was used as a tool in the 70's. He introduced Kabbalah to the masses in the 70, it was later picked up by Mick Jagger, after that Madonna...now look at Kabbalah.

Nothing wrong with the Kabbalah.

In the 70's Bowie was criticized for being a Satanist when he was studying Kabbalah, nowadays no one looks at famous Kabbalist like Britney Spears, Demi Moore, and Lindsay Lohan as Satanist because it has been normalized.
there are many angles on the Kabbalah... like most things it has been taken down so many roads... what do you think is so evil about the Keballah?

for me all your suspicions seem to be built on ignorance within certain things..

I understand Mason may not be into the Occult in his personal life but his public image could still be being used.

I would think he is into the occult to a certain extent.... pretty obvious he is pretty clued up about it all.


I'm curious why he chose an Occult theme for his wedding if it's only a stage image though...
probably because he is an occultist.

[thirdwave]

Yes, dear.

I'm well aware of your views. But you're not very well informed.

edit: And you seem to be completely blind to your own bias, Miss Bible Quote.

Christians in anti MM shocker!....

they dont like the guy who calls him self the anti Christ super star and has a lyrics like "im not a slave to a god that doesn't exist" .... I wonder what perspective they are coming from.... lol

if i was MM on my next record i would ware a some clothing that looks like sheep skin and have contacts with wolf eyes..... i should be his manager :)

[comawhite015]

Christians in anti MM shocker!....

they dont like the guy who calls him self the anti Christ super star and has a lyrics like "im not a slave to a god that doesn't exist" .... I wonder what perspective they are coming from.... lol

if i was MM on my next record i would ware a some clothing that looks like sheep skin and have contacts with wolf eyes..... i should be his manager :)

Yes. These are the same people who are getting all 'het up' about a billboard advertising sexual aids simply because a child might read it and HAVE THEIR INNOCENCE *COMPLETELY* DESTROYED. God, they must think kids are dumb.

No surprises there.

[yeshua]

You two are throwing A LOT of assumptions out there. The two of you seem to be under the impression that anyone who doesn't like Marilyn Manson or questions his motives is a Christian. I am NOT a Christian. Thirdwave, I love how you're accusing me of judging Marilyn Manson yet you've judged me since I came in this thread. I don't really care about Marilyn Manson one way or another. I don't like his music and I don't find him even remotely interesting as an artist. I saw that picture and posted it because it had something to do with the subject at hand. Now I'm ignorant? Who's the one judging? Just because I don't like Kabbalah does not mean I'm ignorant on what it is. And if you're so above wanting to know peoples motives why are you at this forum? Why don't you just appreciate George Bush and people like him and never look into things further? You really need to get off of your high horse and get over your hatred of Christianity. Everything is not Christian Vs. everyone else.

[yeshua]

Its called art.


Like oh my God, TOTALLY? And here I was thinking it was journalism! Thank you SO MUCH for enlightening me on the truth because Lord knows I couldn't have possibly known such an extraordinary fact on my own. I needed someone as bright as you to explain the details to me. :rolleyes:

[merlincove]

MM is art.

it has been said, and will no doubt be said again.

there was a cow once that some guy called damien cut in half and stuck up in a museum. They called that art to.

And that fecking bed by that ho that sold for millions, that was art also.

A pile of bricks.

Nirvana's nevermind.

Hendrix's rendition of The Star Spangled Banner.

All Art, all conceptulised and fed into the public sphere.

Art will always offend, it has always done so and it will continue to do so. It has the ability to shock and to capture the imagination.

What is and what isn't art? One mans art is another mans pile of rubbish.

Manson pervades himself with an air of audacity on the world stage, he plays a very contrived part, he is well managed and well marketed, he is a very clever business man. He is no less a tool than all thos poor saps who try to make a name for themselves on pop idol.

It is pretty obvious that he is a lost soul, whatever it is that he wants he is not getting, and i don't think he fully knows how to get it. Maybe he has become a slave to himself and he doesn't know how to get out of the mold that he's wrapped around himself?

He makes music, he makes reasonably good music.

i don't think that anyone here would consider him to be an idol, and to suggest that he was an idol is ridiculous.

People see through the charade, they really do. But they kinda play along with the game because that is what the charade does to the sheeple, it tricks them into playing along. And that doesn't mean that the sheeple who hear manson will devote themselves to satanistic ritual, it just means that they kinda buy into the image.

There are a lot of lost kids out there, and they suddenly find that here is someone who portrays life in such a way that they can associate with. This lost guy who is trying to make a statement, just like they are.

Manson = shock value. That is what pays his wages.

if you are paid to drive a bus, work a machine, push a pen, then this is what you do. You aren't your job, and your job isn't you, it is just a way to get through the day.

Manson dresses up weired, sings dull and durgy but catchy songs and talks bollix. That isn't manson. Altho as i said, he may have become so addicted to the manson image by now, it could be a hard mold to break.

So manson will continue to shock and violate pictures of Christ and the Church. He will do that because it pays his wages.

Mansons blatant attacks against the bible and against God, WTF! People can believe in God, or a higher being, they can percieve in their own way a creator without having to be indoctrinated into a society of fear that is the Church. Having that belief and having that love for something doesn't make them indoctrinated sheep. Many people today follow their own belief of god, they take from the bible all the things that they can see and feel are true and leave the bastardised remains in the gutter. What Manson is missing is that the beauty within belief of God / Bible, is simply a belief in a higher and all pervading love.

Many people follow that love, and they may well attribute the name of god to that love, but they have never been into a church, they are not part of the structure. And i think that point is being overlooked here. Quotting a bible passage is simply saying hey, look at this line, it makes some sense. And when manson tears the bible to pieces, that line because it comes from the bible is relavant because in tearing the whole work apart you are in effect rubbishing and ridiculing some very honourable codes of ethics - because they are in there, buried in amongst the rest.

peace.

[yeshua]

Oh, I just read your signature - Crowley fan - NO WONDER. Of course you wouldn't have a problem if Marilyn was an Occultist. Whatever floats your boat...

[thirdwave]

You two are throwing A LOT of assumptions out there.

lol, WE are?

The two of you seem to be under the impression that anyone who doesn't like Marilyn Manson or questions his motives is a Christian. I am NOT a Christian.
Yet you believe the Anti Christ is coming for us?

lol

Thirdwave, I love how you're accusing me of judging Marilyn Manson yet you've judged me since I came in this thread.
You judged me by saying i was a biased MM fan who is being tricked... if you cant handle being judged as well then dont do it :)

I don't really care about Marilyn Manson one way or another. I don't like his music and I don't find him even remotely interesting as an artist. Good for you.


I saw that picture and posted it because it had something to do with the subject at hand. Now I'm ignorant? Who's the one judging?
And I commented on the picture...

We are judging each other and you don't like it.


Just because I don't like Kabbalah does not mean I'm ignorant on what it is. And if you're so above wanting to know peoples motives why are you at this forum? So i can debate like this.


Why don't you just appreciate George Bush and people like him and never look into things further? because they kill people and dont talk sense.

You really need to get off of your high horse and get over your hatred of Christianity. Everything is not Christian Vs. everyone else.
I disagree... and i don't hate Christianity i dont see it as a real substance. I do thoroughly enjoy exposing much ignorance within it though....

please tell me about the Kebbalah and what's fucked up about it!?

[yeshua]

Yet you believe the Anti Christ is coming for us?


You judged me by saying i was a biased MM fan who is being tricked.

LOL, when did I even imply that the Anti Christ was coming? See, you've had so many of these debates that you're just naturally putting me in this box that doesn't even apply to me. I am not a Christian and I still don't like the Occult. Everyone who doesn't like the Occult is not a Christian. Everything is not the Occult Vs. Religion...there are different points of views.

I assumed you were a Marilyn Manson fan because why else would you be defending him so hard? But I guess you like debating. I don't, so this will be my last reply. By the way, I never said you were being tricked. What the hell? Tricked about what? I simply suggested that he could possibly be being used as a tool. From that statement I somehow became a radical Christian who believes the Anti Christ is coming - go figure.

[merlincove]

Quote:
Why don't you just appreciate George Bush and people like him and never look into things further?

How can anyone ask that question on this forum? Or am i miss-understanding it?

This is the guy who can sit in a classroom and read an upside down book while the rest of the world is being duped into thinking that his country was being attacked by Bin Laden. The guy who plays golf while discussing the occupation of a foreign country, the mass destruction of cities, towns and civilians and the murder of innocent children? How can you appreciate this guy?

[comawhite015]

MM is art.

it has been said, and will no doubt be said again.

there was a cow once that some guy called damien cut in half and stuck up in a museum. They called that art to.

And that fecking bed by that ho that sold for millions, that was art also.

A pile of bricks.

Nirvana's nevermind.

Hendrix's rendition of The Star Spangled Banner.

All Art, all conceptulised and fed into the public sphere.

Art will always offend, it has always done so and it will continue to do so. It has the ability to shock and to capture the imagination.

What is and what isn't art? One mans art is another mans pile of rubbish.

Manson pervades himself with an air of audacity on the world stage, he plays a very contrived part, he is well managed and well marketed, he is a very clever business man. He is no less a tool than all thos poor saps who try to make a name for themselves on pop idol.

It is pretty obvious that he is a lost soul, whatever it is that he wants he is not getting, and i don't think he fully knows how to get it. Maybe he has become a slave to himself and he doesn't know how to get out of the mold that he's wrapped around himself?

He makes music, he makes reasonably good music.

i don't think that anyone here would consider him to be an idol, and to suggest that he was an idol is ridiculous.

People see through the charade, they really do. But they kinda play along with the game because that is what the charade does to the sheeple, it tricks them into playing along. And that doesn't mean that the sheeple who hear manson will devote themselves to satanistic ritual, it just means that they kinda buy into the image.

There are a lot of lost kids out there, and they suddenly find that here is someone who portrays life in such a way that they can associate with. This lost guy who is trying to make a statement, just like they are.

Manson = shock value. That is what pays his wages.

if you are paid to drive a bus, work a machine, push a pen, then this is what you do. You aren't your job, and your job isn't you, it is just a way to get through the day.

Manson dresses up weired, sings dull and durgy but catchy songs and talks bollix. That isn't manson. Altho as i said, he may have become so addicted to the manson image by now, it could be a hard mold to break.

So manson will continue to shock and violate pictures of Christ and the Church. He will do that because it pays his wages.


Yeah. Marketed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxOZtzIq8xY


This was in 1990. Back when they weren't getting paid. Playing crap demos with a drum machine. Still the same attitude back then. The corporate machine did not produce Marilyn Manson.

And no, he rips up bibles and takes the piss out of the church because it is a statement that says 'These things are full of shit' and that is what he tries to open people's eyes to. The hypocrisy.

But you can say whatever you like. You'll only see what you want to.

The last album he put out was written in and produced in 3 months, and it bombed. But it was done as catharsis cuz his marriage had just fallen to bits. In interviews he said 'I wrote this album for me. If you don't like it, whatever'. Not many people did. But he didn't care. Art. Hardly worth pouring that much money into something for what is essentially 'therapy' if you expect to make a profit.

[yeshua]

Quote:
Why don't you just appreciate George Bush and people like him and never look into things further?

How can anyone ask that question on this forum? Or am i miss-understanding it?

This is the guy who can sit in a classroom and read an upside down book while the rest of the world is being duped into thinking that his country was being attacked by Bin Laden. The guy who plays golf while discussing the occupation of a foreign country, the mass destruction of cities, towns and civilians and the murder of innocent children? How can you appreciate this guy?

You misunderstood my reply.

[thirdwave]

Oh, I just read your signature - Crowley fan - NO WONDER. Of course you wouldn't have a problem if Marilyn was an Occultist. Whatever floats your boat...

lol Crowley Fan? ... if that's what you want to call enjoying a few of his books then yes.. and also finding it really interesting how people react to that simple thing.

[thirdwave]

LOL, when did I even imply that the Anti Christ was coming? See, you've had so many of these debates that you're just naturally putting me in this box that doesn't even apply to me. I am not a Christian and I still don't like the Occult. Everyone who doesn't like the Occult is not a Christian. Everything is not the Occult Vs. Religion...there are different points of views.

I assumed you were a Marilyn Manson fan because why else would you be defending him so hard? But I guess you like debating. I don't, so this will be my last reply. By the way, I never said you were being tricked. What the hell? Tricked about what? I simply suggested that he could possibly be being used as a tool. From that statement I somehow became a radical Christian who believes the Anti Christ is coming - go figure.


Well what is bad about the kebbalah then?

or should i say... what is bad about the occult? .... as you seem to be holding back on what you really think here, which you are free to do so although if you don't ask you don't get.

[comawhite015]

Oh also, just to clarify something else. A mistake which.. well, pretty much everyone who's posted here seems to have made, Marilyn NEVER 'called himself the Antichrist Superstar'.. that was the title of an album..

It's a concept album. Part of a trilogy of albums about one character that is based on Nietzche's Ubermensch, called 'Adam Kadmon'.

Adam comes from the wilderness, called The Valley of the Shadow of Death.. then makes his way into Holy Wood, the place of plastic and shallowness.. where he becomes famous.. then realises that he's become everything that he hated, and then ends up destroying himself.

Sure, it's a pretty sad story, but that's all it is. Two thirds of the way through the story the character becomes the 'Antichrist Superstar'.

It's a fucking *story*.

God, I don't know why I'm even bothering.

[leeshort27]

heh this music RAP and HIP HOP. is all a ploy for simple minds to make associations into the DUMB everyday shit that there life is.

i cant stand hip hop or rap music. and that is my own oppinion.

I know that HEAVY METAL, METAL, ROCK, extreme music. holds the most intellegent people in the world. and before you comment. i suggest you even attempt to listen to this. you probably wont understand the vocals because there all HORSE and DEATH like. but this is for a reason. once your ears are open to recieving you will hear the message. now the metal genre is still the biggest around the world and hasnt gone anywere.the loyalty and support for METAL will always be around. just admit it people. HEAVY METAL reigns supreme

there is no skill in "pressing play on the cd or loop machine" to have it go DOOF DOOF CLAP DOOF DOOF CLAP and then start to teach some mundane message about how my bitch got banged up and now i gotta kid but the welfare check didnt come in so i gotta go rob a cabbie or the store down the street" if you are taken by that shit. you truely are shallow.

this is so BUDGET its NO SKILL, NO TALENT, NO REAL MESSAGE, and ultimatly leads to violence and drug addctions/abuse and or child abuse. bullying and all that dreadful stuff tha comes with BEING A TUFF GANGSTER RAPPER.

jesus this stuff has to stop. its crap.

there is endless skill in playing DRUMS.. they are a real instrument.
there is endless skill in playing GUITARS/BASS they are a real instrument

heavy metal has the most extreme tallent and skill you have ever seen or heard of. just because you havnt heard it dont mean its there. have a look.
to have all this colaberated into music that you may hear like METALLICA or other forms of EDGE OF THE METAL INDUSTRY that people think are HEAVY METAL and the best of it. rubbish this is the SELLIGN OUT to the money side of music. real musicians will do this with or without money. even marylin manson is a weak lame not much to it kind of METAL.

comon people. im actually quiet happy not wanting people like you in the metal scene because you would just exploit it and compete among it and pull it apart until others hate it because of what you've done 2 it.


im not keen on rap either but this is full of shit!

[merlincove]

It's a fucking *story*.

God, I don't know why I'm even bothering.

then don't bother, you aint gotta field this guys corner, you like his stuff fine, you dont like it, fine.

But you can say whatever you like. You'll only see what you want to.

i think you've told me that before :rolleyes:

And we all see what we want to see, sometimes we see things that we don't want to see and it makes us react.

And no, he rips up bibles and takes the piss out of the church because it is a statement that says 'These things are full of shit' and that is what he tries to open people's eyes to. The hypocrisy.

But the hypocrosy is the church, it isn't the bible. Ok the bible is a tool of the church, mostly missconstrued and a very bastardised version of the original, but there is still beuty within that. So castigating one forum castigates the whole, saying fuck this it's a tool and fuck that, it's another tool blatantly ignores the message that Christ came here with.

This stance then against the bible, which is it:

standing against the bible and its teachings = standing against Christ's message, 'be nice to people and drink wine' which is pretty much what he said.

Or

standing against the bible = standing against the church and its , kill in the name of god, that's ok, but thoust shalt not commit murder hypocrosy?

Because i wonder how many people know the difference between the biblical Christ and Christ consciousness.

The Church kinda ignore Christs message also though. I'm not a big 'Christ according to the bible' fan. I do appreciate Christ consciousness, which is a very different thing. So is Manson attacking the Biblical Christ or his he attacking Christ consciousness, or both?

If he is attacking Christ consciousness, then he is, in the form of his art, attacking every good, loving aspect we hold within us. I don't think that he is saying that.

Yeah, the hypocrosy he is flipping a finger to, fine, the machine needs to be bought into focus, hiding as it is behind the skirts of the pious.

That is what i see, so comaboy, is that what you see? Because it is a difficult distinction to make.

People are getting confused as to what the bible means to who, here.

[comawhite015]

then don't bother, you aint gotta field this guys corner, you like his stuff fine, you dont like it, fine.

But you can say whatever you like. You'll only see what you want to.

i think you've told me that before :rolleyes:

And we all see what we want to see, sometimes we see things that we don't want to see and it makes us react.

And no, he rips up bibles and takes the piss out of the church because it is a statement that says 'These things are full of shit' and that is what he tries to open people's eyes to. The hypocrisy.

But the hypocrosy is the church, it isn't the bible. Ok the bible is a tool of the church, mostly missconstrued and a very bastardised version of the original, but there is still beuty within that. So castigating one forum castigates the whole, saying fuck this it's a tool and fuck that, it's another tool blatantly ignores the message that Christ came here with.

This stance then against the bible, which is it:

standing against the bible and its teachings = standing against Christ's message, 'be nice to people and drink wine' which is pretty much what he said.

Or

standing against the bible = standing against the church and its , kill in the name of god, that's ok, but thoust shalt not commit murder hypocrosy?

Because i wonder how many people know the difference between the biblical Christ and Christ consciousness.

The Church kinda ignore Christs message also though. I'm not a big 'Christ according to the bible' fan. I do appreciate Christ consciousness, which is a very different thing. So is Manson attacking the Biblical Christ or his he attacking Christ consciousness, or both?

If he is attacking Christ consciousness, then he is, in the form of his art, attacking every good, loving aspect we hold within us. I don't think that he is saying that.

Yeah, the hypocrosy he is flipping a finger to, fine, the machine needs to be bought into focus, hiding as it is behind the skirts of the pious.

That is what i see, so comaboy, is that what you see? Because it is a difficult distinction to make.

People are getting confused as to what the bible means to who, here.

Something makes me think we're both sort of arguing the same point :P

[pinkfreud]

The only place he'd guide anyone is off a cliff.

*chuckles*


and ashyr, mainstream hip hop (not rap) is full of shit but underground rap- such as the likes of immortal technique, sole etc (even talib kweli) is actually very intelligent prose that makes you think. it isn't all about money, hoes, whips/rides (cars) and rocks (jewels). the mainstream stuff is pushed by illuminati supported record labels.

[thirdwave]

the thing is he is not looking to guide people... he is expressing him self..

its only people who require guides them self who will judge him that way.

[amandaooo]

I may have posted this before, if so apologies. I think Marilyn Manson seems rather nice. I know which one of the following I would feel safer staying the night in my spare room:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ucnA8ElvZQA

[comawhite015]

the thing is he is not looking to guide people... he is expressing him self..

its only people who require guides them self who will judge him that way.

Perfect post.

[thirdwave]

I may have posted this before, if so apologies. I think Marilyn Manson seems rather nice. I know which one of the following I would feel safer staying the night in my spare room:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ucnA8ElvZQA

interesting vid thanks....

sometimes he will interview another stooge just to present them.... kind of pretend to disagree... but as i say, I cant really see how MM making sense on that interview can be anything other than what it was... I think O Reilly looked a bit nervous as if he did not want to much to be ..said...

people dont like to be exposed them sevles.. its always something else to blame.... people kill because of a rock stars songs ..not because they are sick to the teeth of society and have a lousy parents...

so we have to take away freedom of art and expression because we live in such a fucked up world?

in that case who cares about chaos anyway?.. if we are so irresponsible we cant have freedom of art then we will not be a loss.

[merlincove]

Something makes me think we're both sort of arguing the same point :P

dito :cool:

[armoured_amazon]

Fruits, fruits.

[comawhite015]

Fruits, fruits.

I believe there's an innocence destroying billboard that is worth getting 'het up' about in another thread. You'd better go deal with it.

[merlincove]

I believe there's an innocence destroying billboard that is worth getting 'het up' about in another thread. You'd better go deal with it.

We see Manson as one thing, and the billboard as another, when really they are the same thing - big brother trying to shock us, trying to affect a reasoning mind into locked-down chaos where there are no sub frames to judge morality by.

However we look at the world, whatever eyes we view it through it is becoming less sensitive and more de-sensitized by the media's manipulation of our conscious and subconscious minds.

The internet is a hive for de-sensitizing the populous; it brings home the adult world into every home, into every child’s psyche, drawing the attention to forbidden fruits.

Can we see manson’s ilk and the media as the temptations in our garden of Eden?

I'm not against the billboard, i'm not against manson, but children don't need this kind of stuff pushed into their faces.

Anyone can, if they choose, log into the web and download pretty much anything that they want to watch. We can download porn, pictures of naked people, music video's, mpg's of people being brutally murdered, I’m sure if we type it into google then pretty much anything will be there to be viewed.

And why is this so?

The game plan is afoot here, we have Manson saying, hey fu(k the system, rebel, don't believe in all this croc, think for yourself. And all the time he is saying think for yourself, are people thinking for themselves or are they thinking what Manson, and any other member of the pop culture tells them they should be thinking?

We have graphic images tunnelled into our home every day through the internet and through the media. And we even have billboards advertising sex aids and cards for sexual services in phone boxes. All these images, all these pop stars and media people telling us what to think, how to act.

The sole consensus of all this is a de-sensitising of our minds, and in particular our children’s minds - de-sensitise them in their formative years.

Consider also that kids' play areas in the uk are almost all surrounded by high fences, getting the kids used to being contained.

So where does all that lead? It leads to a state where tptb can control a populous because they are used to being contained and controlled, the fence has been there for so long they can’t see a world without it.

And the same in the de-sensitizing arena. Hey we’ve seen those videos of Iraqi prisoners being mutilated, seen the videos of beheadings, seen the war machine on the news, so when they look out the windows of their eyes and see these things happening in the real world all around them they will think it is all acceptable. Because they have been de-sensitized to it all.

I live just outside of Nottingham, apparently we have the highest knife crime rate in the country. BS. Nottingham isn’t so bad, it has a gang culture just like any other major city but it isn’t the worst by far. But general youth opinion is that they need to carry a knife, they need to be tooled up. To them it is normal, it is, as they say, ‘Gangster’. The media have pushed the gangster thing into their faces and they have taken it into the lives. Gangsters carrying guns around, it was on the news so it must be true, lets go get a gun so we can be like them.

Manson doesn’t realise that he’s being used to de-sensitize a culture, he just wants to earn a few $’s.

But Manson just adds to the play, he furthers the whole agenda of divide and conquer, in a tiny almost insignificant way, he tells people don’t believe in that, believe in this.

We may be on the same page as seeing Manson’s message of ‘Rage Against the Machine and its control over our minds’, but he is still a tool in the machine, helping it to run.

His stand against the bible and Christ is one thing, I don’t think that he is standing against love or purity, just that he is standing against control of any kind.

Freedom of speech and freedom of information is a good thing, but in a world that is geared by the media to lust for sick or warped viewpoints don’t you think there needs to be an injection of morality to counter balance those aspects?
Morality isn’t taught in the home, it isn’t taught in school, you don’t see billboards expressing morality except outside churches.

And people don’t want morality, because having morality means that they might have to think for themselves, they might have to make their own decisions. And that scares them. People would rather believe in what they are told to believe in by the media.

Society has very little moral code.

And what moral code it has left is being manipulated out of existence through billboard advertisements, and an open interface that allows us to view the most despicable and sickest aspects of human nature in order to de-sensitize our minds to those horrors and make the global populous accept terror and horror more readily when that happens.

Manson’s shock tactics fuel an ever more greedy hunger for shock and outrage. The public almost demands that of anyone caught in the media’s spotlight, it has become not only accepted but expected.

every aspect of life is being and has been manipulated by the media. Manson is a part of the media, the media makes and breaks, i wonder if manson has had his day, i wonder when they will decide to break him?

Some people will be shocked and offended by manson and some will not.

Some people will be shocked and offended by that billboard and some will not.

So, does Manson and does this billboard limit our freedoms by de-sensitizing us in some way, or do they expand our freedoms by declaring that we should have an open mind.

I think Manson, ripping up the bible and defiling pictures of Christ, pertaining to say, leave this mind control behind, have an open mind, actually instills a closed mind state into anyone silly enough to listen to his message. In the same way that this billboard advert pushes SEX SEX SEX into the minds of every passing person, whose kids will look up and see it, 'look mommy, what does that sign mean?, then that sign closes down inocense, denies them the beauty of being a child by pluging that a childs mind directly into the adult world. Manson closes down choice, denies people a beutiful experience of seeing Christ outside of a biblical text because people don't give themselves the opportunity to see Christ as a consciousness energy because their association can not distinguish between the two.

[comawhite015]

But Manson just adds to the play, he furthers the whole agenda of divide and conquer, in a tiny almost insignificant way, he tells people don’t believe in that, believe in this.

No he doesn't. He says question everything. Maybe some more reading is in order.

We may be on the same page as seeing Manson’s message of ‘Rage Against the Machine and its control over our minds’, but he is still a tool in the machine, helping it to run.


Yeah along with Will Smith, the Pussycat Dolls, Janis Joplin, and Bill Cosby, I'm sure.


His stand against the bible and Christ is one thing, I don’t think that he is standing against love or purity, just that he is standing against control of any kind.


That is entirely contradictory to your 'believe in this!' statement, above.


I think Manson, ripping up the bible and defiling pictures of Christ, pertaining to say, leave this mind control behind, have an open mind, actually instills a closed mind state into anyone silly enough to listen to his message. In the same way that this billboard advert pushes SEX SEX SEX into the minds of every passing person, whose kids will look up and see it, 'look mommy, what does that sign mean?, then that sign closes down inocense, denies them the beauty of being a child by pluging that a childs mind directly into the adult world. Manson closes down choice, denies people a beutiful experience of seeing Christ outside of a biblical text because people don't give themselves the opportunity to see Christ as a consciousness energy because their association can not distinguish between the two.

Oh for christs sake, he never defiled pictures of Christ.

He has painted him, though.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/KillaFrosty513/My%20favorite%20art/5b40f8bb.jpg

It is called 'Trismestigus'.

Go read some interviews or something. You're also terribly uninformed. Sorry, but you are.

Here. I'll start you off.


The First Revolutionary Act: Being One's Self
by Sean Coulter
1996

"Our destiny exercises its influence over us even when, as yet, we have not learned its nature: it is our future that lays down the law of our today." -- Friedrich Nietzsche, 1878

"The lyrics and ideals expressed on this album are those of a character called Anitchrist Superstar, who is portrayed by me and every other person in America. Those who fail to admit and realize this are the ones who will be afraid and offended. This is what you should fear; you are what you should fear."

Marilyn Manson, whose rise to the national spotlight this year with their hellbent cover of the Eurythmics' "Sweet Dreams," have always been a band true to their heart and blackened souls. On their latest release, Antichrist Superstar, which debuted at No. 3 on the Billboard charts earlier this month, Mr. Manson and company -- bassist Twiggy Ramirez, keyboardist Madonna Wayne Gacy, drummer Ginger Fish and newest recruit, guitarist Zim Zum -- have created an introspective and real life fright show that will make you sweat and smile at the same time.

On such songs as the bludgeoning "Irresponsible Hate Anthem," the introspective ranting and raving of "Wormboy" and "Mister Superstar," and even MTV's newest buzz, "The Beautiful People," Manson's agression and vulnerability walk hand in hand as we stroll through the psyche of the man himself. It's as if someone were ripping at Manson's very scarred seams and stretching his flesh in order to allow the darkness within to fly free and enlighten the masses.

Shedding the S&M inspired wardrobe and looking past the wair-like, acutely scarred and heavily inked body of Manson, The Aquarian Weekly attempted to get into the brain of the madman behind the band. What we found was not the ranting and raving of a Satan worshipping demon that the mainstream press has made him out to be, but instead an intelligent, insightful artist, who is more interested in Nietzsche (whose book Antichrist seems to have inspired Manson), human sexuality and self-expression, than human sacrafice, voodoo, and lucifer.

Aquarian Weekly:
In the past you have been very frank about your rejection of all forms of organized religion, especially on Antichrist Superstar. Can you speak a little about why that is?
Marilyn Manson:
I promote individuality and belief in yourself. Most organized religions promote weakness and blind faith in things you can't see. So Antichrist Superstar is a manifesto of self-expression much along the lines of Nietzsche and Darwin. People of that nature who promote the belief of man as his own god.
Aquarian Weekly:
Then you believe that each person is their own creator and has the ability to control their own lives and outcomes.
Marilyn Manson:
Everybody has the potential to be their own god. It just takes writers, philosophers, music, and others to get them to realize that. However, I do believe there is a greater force in nature, but you don't necessarily have to worship it.
Aquarian Weekly:
You were talking before about Darwin and Darwinism, whick in theory suggests that only the strong survive. Yet in a lot of your music you take the opposite approach, usually taking up the cause of the alienated against the oppressor.
Marilyn Manson:
I think (the theories of Darwin and Nietzsche) promote a need and a want to be a stronger person. I think that is a lot of the underlying themes behind everything on the new album. I use the metaphor of a worm that grows into an angel and it's the same transformation from being someone who is suppressed to being someone who is no longer suppressed but rather empowered.
Aquarian Weekly:
Was there a turning point in your life that you said, "Hey, I'm not going to take anyone's crap anymore, I'm going to be me."
Marilyn Manson:
I dont't think there was any one moment, I think it was a gradual building and realizing that I didn't want to fit into the status quo. I was going to make my own status quo. I would rather make my own status quo for others to have to fit into.
Aquarian Weekly:
In a sense through your music, you are now promoting individualism. Trying to let people know that they can be different as long as they are themselves.
Marilyn Manson:
Yes, and I'm saying that if you want to be like me, be yourself, because that's what I'm being. So it's a group of nonjoiners, like a club with no members.
Aquarian Weekly:
When I mentioned our interview to my sister, she asked if I was going to be afraid of you. At times, you're perceived to be the epitome of fear, you give off a violent, almost scay public persona. Are you afraid people will prejudge you by your image?
Marilyn Manson:
I like to look at people's fear and my own fear so that I can better understand it. So when people see things and listen to things that I do and it scares them, then they should be asking themselves why it scares them. Why does it bother them, why does it offend them, why does it scare them?
Marilyn Manson:
Maybe they can learn a little bit about themselves by addressing those fears. I'm not afraid of anything. If there is something I'm afraid of I do it and then I'm not afraid of it anymore.
Aquarian Weekly:
How about the fear of failure as a musician?
Marilyn Manson:
That's really my only fear and it's an everyday battle to be in control and succeed with what I want to do.
Aquarian Weekly:
As a musician, you are one part recording artist and another part stage performer. Marilyn Manson as a band seem to excel during live shows. Speak a little about why that is.
Marilyn Manson:
That's the most important thing to me really. An album is just a blueprint for a live performance. It's very ritualistic, very theraputic and there is a lot of energy exchanged between the audience and the band. It's a powerful thing to tap into. It's one of the oldest things in the history of man, that interchange between one person and the people that are attracted to what they are doing. That's why we enjoy touring so much.
Aquarian Weekly:
Your live performances seem to not only be an entertaining show, but also a purging of your soul as well.
Marilyn Manson:
I would say that it's an exorcism, not only an exercise but an exorcism. It's getting everything out. I think that other people can enjoy that as well, because it makes them feel like they can get everything out too. It makes them feel like it's ok to be yourself and do what you want.
Aquarian Weekly:
You mentioned before how a lot of your music is based on real life experience and self-expression, individuality and the alienation that sometimes comes attached to being an individual in a cookie cutter society. Speak a little about that.
Marilyn Manson:
I went to a private Christian school and I didn't really buy into the whole born again idea, so I wasn't friends with too many kids there. I wanted to go to public school, but all the kids there kicked my ass because I was the kid from private school, so I didn't fit in there either. I couldn't win either way, so I decided that instead of feeling alienated I would one day strive to create my own set of standards and the rest of the world could work around me.
Aquarian Weekly:
Now that you are working on your own terms, is there any pressure to tone down the act because you are starting to get more mainstream radio and MTV airplay?
Marilyn Manson:
No, I think that now is the time to turn up the gas and make it more dangerous, push the fast forward button to the end of the world and go as far as we can go. A lot of people go most of the way, but the only way that you can reach perfection and purity is to go all the way. And that's really what America needs. Because everything is so common and desensitized. People aren't even impressed by sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll anymore, so it needs to go as far as it can go so that people can once again appreciate the little things in life. They can re-obtain their innocence, be a kid again.
Aquarian Weekly:
You're definately not innocent now. Do you feel that the point where you decided to not be alienated anymore and decided to be, in a sense, the alienator was where you lost your innocence?
Marilyn Manson:
No, I think my loss of innocence was one of the things that helped to develop the hard shell around me. If you follow the transformation of the lyrics on the new album there is a metaphor that I use of a worm that is very vulnerable that forms this hard cocoon around it and becomes this angel which thinks it is beautiful, but the rest of the world around it thinks it is very ugly. That in itself is a bit of vulnerability and that is where I have been over the past several years. The final result is coming to terms with power and this almost other identity, the Antichrist Superstar, emerges and that's what things are developing into. The album itself is my story, it tells the beginning to the end, but we haven't gotten to the end yet, so it's a bit of a prophecy. Sexuality and sexual imagery are recurring themes in the music of Marilyn Manson. Why do you think that you are so fascinated with sex and why does it play such an important role in your music? It's probably due to the way that I grew up. My first experience with sex was seeing my grandfather's collection or pornography. It was more out of the ordinary, more deviant, with photographs of women and animals, and he had a lot of lingerie and stuff that he used to wear under his clothes. So, I had a strange introduction to the world of sex. Then as a teenager there was the pressure of losing your virginity and it became a real obsession of mine.
Aquarian Weekly:
Speak a little bit about the people who claim your music is a little too sexually explicit, or who claim it's unhealthy for kids to listen to. Speak out to the Christian Coalition and the C. Delores Tuckers of the world who try to censor the music of Marilyn Manson.
Marilyn Manson:
A lot of times the people who had a knee jerk reaction are not only playing into my trap but are also missing the point that I was making in the first place. A lot of the references on Smells Like Children were about my own childhood and about views on use and abuse. Those were missed by them because they interpret them on a base level and actually on more of a pornographic level than they were intended to be interpreted. An example that I like to use is that on our first album I wanted to put a photograph of me as a child posing nude on a couch. My mother took the photograph. And I was told by the executives of Time-Warner, the company that used to distribute our albums, that it would be considered child pornography and I said, "Why? It's a perfectly innocent photograph," and they said, "Well if it can elicit some sort of sexual arousal then it is child pornography." And I said, "Well, that's the point of me putting it here. It's innocent unless you make it something else." That's a lot of the points that I try to make. If people see something as being sick, they have to have that sickness in their own head to see it as sick in the first place.
Aquarian Weekly:
So do you believe that the people who are the most outspoken and disgusted by sexuality and deviant sex are in fact the ones that are most fixated with it?
Marilyn Manson:
People always hate what they are afraid of, and they're usually afraid of Marilyn Manson because they see themselves in it. People who aren't willint to admit that they have these same emotions and experiences are going to be the ones that are the most offended by it. It's hard for them to accept the fact that they are just like everyone else.
Aquarian Weekly:
Are you afraid of being pigeonholed as the next Alice Cooper, or as the next shock rocker?
Marilyn Manson:
If I wanted to be shocking or offensive, that would be easy, because it is such an easy thing to be. I could be so much more offensive. I do things on my terms and sometimes they are more extreme than most people would like, but shock value is never my point. I am expressing what is on my mind and i say it like I want to say it.
Aquarian Weekly:
In the past you have criticized television and especially talk shows for creating an unreal view of American society. Speak a little about why you feel that way.
Marilyn Manson:
The talk show is kind of synonymous the whole bullshit of political correctness in America. You have people on talk shows saying "I hate you because you're a racist" and that's a contradiction because they are being racist by saying that. And there are people saying "I hate this guy because he hates me." It's just a never ending circle and my point has always been that neither side is ever right and nobody wants to solve the problem and the problem is, if people were more intelligent then there wouldn't be so many arguments. In a perfect world the criterion for anything would be intelligence. Sexism and racism are too lenient for me because I could never say that I like all men because I don't. I could never say that I like all white people because there are plenty who don't deserve to be liked. I think intelligence is really the bottom line. Often times it's the unintelligent who are the first to make snap decisions about people or music or anything for that matter.
Aquarian Weekly:
Are you afraid that those people are going to get the wrong impressions of the band because of your music and your public persona?
Marilyn Manson:
That's the way it has always been with the band: people need to read between the lines to get the real message. I don't ever worry about people's perceptions, because they either get it or they don't. I like more extreme reactions anyway. I want people to either love us or hate us. I don't want anything in between and over the years I found out that's where most people are. I always used to say that there were two types of people: people who love Marilyn Manson and people who are jealous.
Aquarian Weekly:
Where do you go from here, whats the next step?
Marilyn Manson:
I just plan to keep on getting bigger and bigger and just doing something real productive with our popularity. I believe that there is a real strength to utilize. The things that change society have always been art and music; they have never been politics. So we'll just continue to prove that.


For more, go here.

http://www.mansonusa.com/interviews/?by=era

[eternal_spirit]

All those who call me names and lick Manson's scrotum and bum hole.
Maybe he'll let you piss in his mouth for being so loyal, like his band membes did. Or you could change your name to that of a Satanic serial killer like Mansons and his band did.

IDIOTS

[eternal_spirit]

I may have posted this before, if so apologies. I think Marilyn Manson seems rather nice. I know which one of the following I would feel safer staying the night in my spare room:


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ucnA8ElvZQA
Yes and your a fucking idiot

[eternal_spirit]

the thing is he is not looking to guide people... he is expressing him self..

its only people who require guides them self who will judge him that way.

Come off it I was born at night but it wasn't last night. He's a high ranked member of Church of Satan and is pushing their philosophies and spiel. A child of Hollyweird.

[comawhite015]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/rkzenrage/bombs/crybaby-1.jpg

[alzee]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/rkzenrage/bombs/crybaby-1.jpg

very fitting

[shenoma]

Real life is hard, oh my god you can see it on video. What truly makes you hard is seeing it for real.

[eternal_spirit]

I came on here to hopefully converse with like minded/open minded individuals etc but unfortunately come accross homophobic fearful people like eternal_spirit just shits me, forum is still lame though I'm just here for entertainment

eternal_spirit the only thing I have learnt from you is that you're homophobic and maybe you are hiding a dirty secret; you in fact have a secret fascination with MM hence the repeatitive posting and research..

let me guess you blame MM for columbine :rolleyes:

Quote:
Originally Posted by madamlasher http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=673911#post673911)
yawn* get a life, you should change your name eternal_bore, sucks to be you dude, I think if there is a God they love MM better than you for having a creative spirit and making the most of his life instead of repeating the same crap over and over on a lame forum/

do the world a favor and PLEASE do not breed OK:D

.....................................



Well now Madamlasher
Converse seems you wanna call names and not discuss the topic. And seeing as though you don't know me from Adam you're about as right as a wrong left turn on a journey somewhere heading in the wrong direction.

Homophobe lol how do you know I'm even straight. The only shit here is what your mind conjures up via your fingers and drops out all over the page, I'll send you some shit stain remover you have a filthy mind. Oh Yeah you're added to my shitlist - the only one on there.

Lame? Well piss off back to what ever satanic forum you came from.

And you misswhiplash are one sick bitch, you may squeeze out a few little piggies or puppies if you can get some man dog to breed with you one day...

Shouldn't you be elsewhere you got some perverts who need whipping?

[eternal_spirit]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/rkzenrage/bombs/crybaby-1.jpg
lol

What's up stroppy pants not had your quota of bottomfill for the day, need some man suasage.

[eternal_spirit]

Real life is hard, oh my god you can see it on video. What truly makes you hard is seeing it for real.

WTF are you on about still not learnt how to speak da English?

[eternal_spirit]

Thought a little rant may bring you all crawling out the wood work.

[shenoma]

You are mean person, thought I let you know a-hole.
WTF are you on about still not learnt how to speak da English?

[eternal_spirit]

You are mean person, thought I let you know a-hole.


I'll give you English lessons for free, to show I'm not so mean. So, madamlasher and all the other comments and names I get called, that's ok, but when I call back you don't like it.

You're the one who worships the great red one and calims to be a reptilian (cold blooded)

[shenoma]

The Great Red One also has a soft side has well.
I'll give you English lessons for free, to show I'm not so mean. So, madamlasher and all the other comments and names I get called, that's ok, but when I call back you don't like it.

You're the one who worships the great red one and calims to be a reptilian (cold blooded)

[thirdwave]

Come off it I was born at night but it wasn't last night. He's a high ranked member of Church of Satan and is pushing their philosophies and spiel. A child of Hollyweird.

I don't really have a problem with the church of Satan ..you can take or leave it.. no one has tried to ram it in my face at any point and it does not imply I am not worthy of anything....

He has clarified his involvement with them, why would he lie when he does not need too....?

you really are hopeless... its frightening how little you understand but how much to try to teach others about what they should be thinking ...

you are the victim of a society built up on much ignorance.. and you show no signs of braking any doors open soon..

[thirdwave]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/rkzenrage/bombs/crybaby-1.jpg

lol, exactly...

[thirdwave]

I'll give you English lessons for free, to show I'm not so mean. So, madamlasher and all the other comments and names I get called, that's ok, but when I call back you don't like it.

You're the one who worships the great red one and calims to be a reptilian (cold blooded)

IMO you need to spend some time catering to your own state of mind rather than badgering other people about theirs like you are some Guru detector and anti Guru repelant...

you talk about Satanism more than anyone on this forum yet you apear to know Sod all about it and when questioned just end up sending links and links of how some murders and killings have been traced back to "satanic rituals" ... even when there is no other info just ... "satanic rituals" ....

well tell us about him and it...tell us how it works!

I have heard MM talk sense.... show an understanding of the world we are in despite how un perfect he may be I see truth in what he is about...

You??.. I don't think I have heard a word of sense fall out your lips other than paranoid self opinionated ramblings... ramming all your Dogmas and outlooks on other people and calling them evil for not agreeing...

and WE are the Idiots?.... Jesus bloody Christ!

[eternal_spirit]

I don't really have a problem with the church of Satan ..you can take or leave it.. no one has tried to ram it in my face at any point and it does not imply I am not worthy of anything....

He has clarified his involvement with them, why would he lie when he does not need too....?

you really are hopeless... its frightening how little you understand but how much to try to teach others about what they should be thinking ...

you are the victim of a society built up on much ignorance.. and you show no signs of braking any doors open soon..

Point is Manson is all about COS. So, he is ramming their ideas down others throats. If he pointed out the flaws of Christianity and wasn't a member of COS, then I wouldn't be as suspicious of him having some kind of agenda. Like some kind of Talmudic mandate promoted by his Zionist roots/conections known as Hollyweird.

Man not as hopeless as you with your big up on Crowley, after all the info presented to you in other threads and you still think he's the bees Knees, now that's ignorance. Why else would you be sporting his words in your sig?

I'm not forcing anything. Just know Satanic idiots (MM) and people who defend him are stupid idiots.

Says you a fully paid up robot EDIT - MM is a product and manufactured by the PTB, if he wasn't I don't think they'd allow him so much publicity, it's what they wan't the people to accept and mirror his image and actions to add some extra filth to polute the minds of the young.

And you are scared shitless of ouija boards "LOL"

You're the brainwashed one buddy.

[eternal_spirit]

IMO you need to spend some time catering to your own state of mind rather than badgering other people about theirs like you are some Guru detector and anti Guru repelant...

you talk about Satanism more than anyone on this forum yet you apear to know Sod all about it and when questioned just end up sending links and links of how some murders and killings have been traced back to "satanic rituals" ... even when there is no other info just ... "satanic rituals" ....

well tell us about him and it...tell us how it works!

I have heard MM talk sense.... show an understanding of the world we are in despite how un perfect he may be I see truth in what he is about...

You??.. I don't think I have heard a word of sense fall out your lips other than paranoid self opinionated ramblings... ramming all your Dogmas and outlooks on other people and calling them evil for not agreeing...

and WE are the Idiots?.... Jesus bloody Christ!


I tell it how I see it, and try to de-programme people from religions such as Satanism. You know some groups kill fellow members of the same group. Shouldn't that set off alarm bells ringing and make those consider getting involved reconsider.

You my friend at times come across as a satanic apologist, even in the face of documented evidence (the links I post of sick murders etc)

Right so you lick MM's bumhole we know that much. Read through the thread dick head, look at all the shit I get called from idiots. Instant Karma I give it back now and then.

[eternal_spirit]

It's to with right and wrong and having some morals. If I see someone like me telling it like it is or someone who's promoting sickness (MM) I know who's right and who's wrong.

Any band that names themselves after Satanic serial killers and famous possible mind controlled stars (Marilyn Monroe etc) is screwed up and sick it really is that simple.

People who gravitate towards music with a rotten vibe are of like consciousness and on a very low level. Those who are functioning on a higher frequency know bad vibes when they hear it and know better than to pollute the ether with such dross.

[eternal_spirit]

MM his band and songs are not creating peace and harmony or have the intention to give out good vibes. It's the intent after all - rotten intentions = rotten results = negativity. It's a freak show for the deranged.

[eternal_spirit]

Sorry thirdwave but you asked for it you started on me, same goes for the other MM lackies.

[thirdwave]

I tell it how I see it, and try to de-programme people from religions such as Satanism. You know some groups kill fellow members of the same group. Shouldn't that set off alarm bells ringing and make those consider getting involved reconsider.

Dont even think about even contemplating that I would take anything you have to say seriously... you dont even have an inkling what Satanism even is and you are only interesting in generalising as much as you can that you don't understand or feel easy with... you have not once explain what Satanism even is... you just swallow the propaganda that suits your comfy state of mind, and then puke it in peoples face..

You my friend at times come across as a satanic apologist, even in the face of documented evidence (the links I post of sick murders etc)
I dont care if I come across like a Satanic apologist... I have stated before, please tell me why I should have anything against them... they have done nothing to me and have effected my life 0!...

I dont belive all your bullshit propaganda is about Satan... its bollox, you have no idea what you are talking about... EDUCATE us... lets hear it...who is he...why do people kill each other.... where did he originate from... what's the difference between the occult and Satanism.,... lets hear your pearls of wisdom!


Right so you lick MM's bumhole we know that much. Read through the thread dick head, look at all the shit I get called from idiots. Instant Karma I give it back now and then.
*stepping to the side as another surge of Puke bursts out your mouth*

[thirdwave]

MM his band and songs are not creating peace and harmony or have the intention to give out good vibes. It's the intent after all - rotten intentions = rotten results = negativity. It's a freak show for the deranged.

who do you think you are telling other people how his music makes them feel?.... is your brain really so full of saw dust that you think you are actually talking sense?

[thirdwave]

Sorry thirdwave but you asked for it you started on me, same goes for the other MM lackies.

sorry for what?, if i was to worry about what people like you thought I would be very foolish.

[eternal_spirit]

sorry for what?, if i was to worry about what people like you thought I would be very foolish.

Your defence of the obscene is foolish

[eternal_spirit]

who do you think you are telling other people how his music makes them feel?.... is your brain really so full of saw dust that you think you are actually talking sense?
My point was anyone who is on a higher frequency would be repelled by such horrible sounding noise and lyrics such as MM. If you can't feel or see this then I may assume you're on a rather low frequency and are attracted to such filth. Which is a sign of a low level of consciousness.

[thirdwave]

Your defence of the obscene is foolish

although I think MM had more to say

I preferred these guys

http://www.showclix.com/event_pictures/Monster-Magnet.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XE6MEJ6NL.jpg

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=thirdwave;716171]Dont even think about even contemplating that I would take anything you have to say seriously...

And vice versa bud.

you dont even have an inkling what Satanism even is and you are only interesting in generalising as much as you can that you don't understand or feel easy with... you have not once explain what Satanism even is... you just swallow the propaganda that suits your comfy state of mind, and then puke it in peoples face..


LOL, you've had many chances to impart your knowledge oh Guru wave

I dont care if I come across like a Satanic apologist... I have stated before, please tell me why I should have anything against them... they have done nothing to me and have effected my life 0!...

If it's true that the PTB see Satan as their God then enough said.

I dont belive all your bullshit propaganda is about Satan... its bollox, you have no idea what you are talking about... EDUCATE us...


Tell that to the victims of Satanic ritual abuse, mind control and the victims of Satanic murderers (like those victims of the murderers Manson and his band named themselves after)
lets hear it...who is he...why do people kill each other.... where did he originate from... what's the difference between the occult and Satanism.,... lets hear your pearls of wisdom!

Kill for who in honour of Satan? Because they think they can magicaly achieve their goals by such deeds, that's elementary dear Wave. A sacrifice to Satan and his demons for something in return.

*stepping to the side as another surge of Puke bursts out your mouth

I'm out of sick bags you filled them all up.

[thirdwave]

Dont even think about even contemplating that I would take anything you have to say seriously...

And vice versa bud.

you dont even have an inkling what Satanism even is and you are only interesting in generalising as much as you can that you don't understand or feel easy with... you have not once explain what Satanism even is... you just swallow the propaganda that suits your comfy state of mind, and then puke it in peoples face..


LOL, you've had many chances to impart your knowledge oh Guru wave

I dont care if I come across like a Satanic apologist... I have stated before, please tell me why I should have anything against them... they have done nothing to me and have effected my life 0!...

If it's true that the PTB see Satan as their God then enough said.

I dont belive all your bullshit propaganda is about Satan... its bollox, you have no idea what you are talking about... EDUCATE us...


Tell that to the victims of Satanic ritual abuse, mind control and the victims of Satanic murderers (like those victims of the murderers Manson and his band named themselves after)
lets hear it...who is he...why do people kill each other.... where did he originate from... what's the difference between the occult and Satanism.,... lets hear your pearls of wisdom!

Kill for who in honour of Satan? Because they think they can magicaly achieve their goals by such deeds, that's elementary dear Wave. A sacrifice to Satan and his demons for something in return.

*stepping to the side as another surge of Puke bursts out your mouth

I'm out of sick bags you filled them all up.

ok... all very interesting... I must remember to make sure I don't listen to any more MM now! ..... lol

[eternal_spirit]

ok... all very interesting... I must remember to make sure I don't listen to any more MM now! ..... lol

Like I said before "one man's taste in music is another man's noise"

[comawhite015]

From 2003 -


Marilyn Manson is a professional provocateur. His ever-evolving image -- remember when he donned prosthetic breasts and went extraterrestrial for a spell? -- has incited the wrath of the right, earned dismay from parents and led to threats and censorship. He even has been banned from several cities. Buffalo, N.Y., gave him the boot recently even before he arrived with the Ozzfest tour; venue officials worried that his set would offend concertgoers.

Despite all that, his latest album, The Golden Age of Grotesque, debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard chart. Recently, Manson ventured into the visual art world with a Los Angeles gallery show featuring his watercolor paintings. And this fall he will play a transsexual nightclub singer in the film Party Monster starring Macauley Culkin and Chloe Sevigny.

Now on tour, Manson brings his latest musical spectacle to the Mahaffey Theater at Bayfront Center on Wednesday. Manson is known for his themed shows, and this one continues the narrative of the new album. Staging his concert like a cabaret act, Manson said, his influences range from the artistic community of prewar Berlin to the political climate that followed. The show is designed as a journey, connecting contemporary American culture and the Berlin scene in a political analogy.


In a phone conversation from New York, the affable Manson reflected on his career and his love of high art.

Times :
You're calling your performance "grotesque burlesque." Tell me what you mean by that.

Marilyn Manson :
It (goes) back to cabaret, vaudeville, the Grand Guignol, the idea of taking what doesn't exist in the real world and creating it. That's what grotesque means to me....It's all of the things that I've found were escapes for people when they were living in times of fear. Times of political upheaval. Times of war....I drew a lot of parallels to the late '20s in Berlin, when artists were being treated as degenerates while the government was doing things that were much more degenerate in everyone else's opinion. I saw a lot of parallels, obviously, to how America is right now.

Times :
It sounds like you're talking about expressionism in art.

Marilyn Manson :
You hit the nail on the head. This album was meant to be purely about expressionism....Expressionism to me is about using your imagination and putting it wherever it can fit. If I've got an idea, it can't always be in a song. Sometimes it has to be a performance or a painting or a film or a video. So, for me, The Golden Age of Grotesque is what it says it is. It's an era of expressionism for me.

Times :
Were you inspired by other artistic movements?

Marilyn Manson :
Yeah, and also the album reflects my personal interests. It's almost like looking at my libary card or seeing what I read and what I watch when you listen to the record....But I've always loved Oscar Wilde and the dandy aesthetic of living your art. That's the same thing that I loved in David Bowie. That's the same thing that I loved in Prince or Madonna. And dadaism is also very much what I'm saying in This is the New Shit, the first song on the record; it's when you get to a point in history or in art or in your own creativity where you throw your hands up and you say, "I've done everything. Where do
I go from here?"
Making that song was the answer for me. It's about not saying, "I've done this for 10 years. I have no more ideas." It's saying, "I'm only 10 years old. I've got a whole life ahead of me. Marilyn Manson's a child at this point."

Times :
In interviews, you said The Golden Age of Grotesque encompasses more than the music, that there's a lot more emphasis on the visual. Talk about these two spheres and how you attempt to fuse them, if you do.

Marilyn Manson :
Making songs, I'll come to the table with the band with visual ideas, wanting something to sound like something that I see in my head rather than hear sometimes. It's the way that I've always created. I guess it's from growing up in front of a television set; I can't think in one medium. The Golden Age of Grotesque as an album can only be a soundtrack to what the Golden Age of Grotesque is to me because it's a lifestyle. It's how I dress. It's how we perform onstage. It's making the audience not the audience anymore. Making this all a movie and making them extras, stars, whatever they want to be. It's just trying to let people find the art in entertainment and find the entertainment in art once again.

Times :
How do you synthesize those images into the stage design and the visuals that you were talking about?

Marilyn Manson :
I tend to think very erratically and sometimes in a way that people assume is stream of consciousness, and sometimes is for me. Or it might be absinthe-inspired....It's not art until somebody else experiences it, Otherwise, it's just self-indulgence.
So with this tour and this show, I constructed something that I think represents a satire of totalitarianism and control and restriction of art and conformity, and that deteriorates into degenerate grotesque burlesque. And into finally the ultimate childish deterioration.
And that's why I use symbolism like Disneyland. Starting off with something like Nuremberg and ending with something like Disneyland takes you on a journey that represents everything that I have to say on this record. And somehow those two can be as scary as one another if you flip it around. Because American culture can be controlled by its own sense of self-imposed fascism: desire to fit in. That's a form of slavery of itself.

Times :
You've said, "Art is a question mark, and everyone wants it to be an answer." What do you mean by that?

Marilyn Manson :
Well, by answering that, I would be contradicting the question. (Laughs) I'd say, for me... (art) can't be misunderstood because it's meant to be understood by everyone differently.
When people say, "Are you tired of being misconceived or misunderstood?", I'm not because I can't be. Ther person who thinks (my music is) satanic, that's their understanding of it, and that's part of what it is. The person who thinks it's (expletive), that's part of what it is. The person who loves it, the person that would die for it, that's part of what it is. And what it means to me is part of what it is, too. And if it didn't have those dimensions, then I wouldn't have any interest in being me.

Times :
What about youer personal style? How would you characterize your clothing and costuming on this tour?

Marilyn Manson :
This tour is very '20s-inspired. I guess it's somewhere between Oscar Wilde and the Thin White Duke and Elvis when he was sent to war. (Laughs) ...I've gotten great help from some of my favorite designers, people like Jean Paul Gaultier and from Christian Dior; a lot of people who do stuff that is sometimes more mainstream but have kind of tailored certain things to suit my needs. I'd say that this tour, I wanted to be more masculine. But I think for some reason, it came across more androgynous.

Times :
How do gender roles factor in, or do they take a backset to the political tones of this show?

Marilyn Manson :
I think that I try and show people that the politics and the religion is in the sex and it's in the music and it's in the art. This show has a lot of things that have been causing a lot of stir, but the point has been to provoke people and their boundaries, and question their rules and wonder exactly what I'm going to do next. I like to prove people wrong and smash their preconceptions when they think they've got me figured out because I'm an abstract idea.

[1977]

I just feel like some of you guys are being a little biased about Marilyn Manson because you're fans. I'm a huge fan of David Bowie but lately I've been questioning his motives too.
Dont't worry, David Bowie is completely legit. He's probably one of the few people in the public eye who is. Go ahead and reverse his songs, they usually say exactly the same thing in reverse.

Just because I needed to find an excuse to post this, here's a really weird bit from an interview where he says he thought that Andy Warhol was a reptilian!

Burroughs: Have you ever met Warhol?

Bowie: Yes, about two years ago I was invited up to The Factory. We got in the lift and went up and when it opened there was a brick wall in front of us. We rapped on the wall and they didn’t believe who we were. So we went back down and back up again till finally they opened the wall and everybody was peering around at each other. That was shortly after the gun incident. I met this man who was the living dead. Yellow in complexion, a wig on that was the wrong colour, little glasses. I extended my hand and the guy retired, so I thought, "The guy doesn’t like flesh, obviously he’s reptilian." He produced a camera and took a picture of me. And I tried to make small talk with him, and it wasn’t getting anywhere.

Even Orgone Warrior Loohan (http://www.loohan.com/blog8-6.htm) vouches for him (Disclaimer: Loohan is frickin' crazy!):
Other prominent rockers that were life-long Satanists include: Elton John, Jerry Garcia, John Lennon, Dan [correction: John] Fogerty, Richie Valens, Buddy Holly, Otis Redding, ... and a great many others. Creedence, Quicksilver, Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, the Stones, all did dark ritual together. [correction: not quite true. See remarks of Sep. 15, '08.] But it's not just a rock thing; Tchaikovsky was a Satanist, Beethoven an MPDed Freemason.
...
A lot of my (formerly) favorite artists were/are darksiders. Apparently, being a Satanist does not inhibit the ability to produce beautiful music. Though there are a few notables that i do not detect any evil alters or ritual vibes in: Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull, David Bowie, Graham Nash, The Band, ...Elvis!?! One can have issues without being MPDed or into black magic. Elvis seems clean that way; i can't find handlers. Though his widow and daughter are quite dark.


His pianist Mike Garson even tried to convert him to Scientology back in the 70's, but he never went for it. But then again, "mind control" is probably the best explanation for his eighties work like "Labyrinth" and "Never Let Me Down"...

[merlincove]

Dont't worry, David Bowie is completely legit. He's probably one of the few people in the public eye who is. Go ahead and reverse his songs, they usually say exactly the same thing in reverse.

Just because I needed to find an excuse to post this, here's a really weird bit from an interview where he says he thought that Andy Warhol was a reptilian!


Even Orgone Warrior Loohan (http://www.loohan.com/blog8-6.htm) vouches for him (Disclaimer: Loohan is frickin' crazy!):


His pianist Mike Garson even tried to convert him to Scientology back in the 70's, but he never went for it. But then again, "mind control" is probably the best explanation for his eighties work like "Labyrinth" and "Never Let Me Down"...




Didn't Bowie play warhol in a film some time?

As for the second quote, i know that Lennon had some very different sexual ideologies than many of his peers and fans would believe of him, but linking him with satanism is a first on me. I think Paul has spoken about John having gay tendancies and that he was attracted to yoko because she was a very strong woman with a masculine edge, although he had many affairs with other women i have read a few accounts of his attraction to men. Don't think that makes him a satansit though, i wonder where your man got thta info from?

Bowies music is equally as fucked up and inspiring as floyd's, imo, i have always felt that floyd had a better sound, just my bag i guess. But i would also question the musical content of both in respect to them being dark, they have both made some very dark brooding material, and despite being a little off the wall in many respects, bowie and floyd have never inspired me as being satanists and have always seemed very switched on legit guys?

off theme i know but hey....

[coco]

Warhol or Tesla?

[thelyran]

...I had given to me to Cradle Of Filth cd's,that I did'nt want,that sat dormant
fo about 6 years...then I was watching an episode of the IT Crowd,love British humour,it was at a funeral,and this Goth recommended listening to Coffin Fodder,I like some hard music...after my partner and I finished rolling on the floor laughing,tears coming out our eyes,I procceeded down to the hock-shop post haste,cashed the crap in and bought two packs of cigarettes.
Utter crap.Alice Cooper cross bitchy bad drug psychosis.
I will make an admission,he,Marilyn Manson,seemed quite logical and reasonable on a Michael Moore documenatry,Bowling for Columbine,but I have met real deal satanist,occultist,who seemed quite logical,reasonable and objective...till they reel you in.
Bowie is great...but if you want real Raw Power...go the Stooges,Iggy Pops
second band...exciting high energy stuff and a favourite,some of the later Jesus And The Mary chain,The Saints...hmmm could go on forever

[eternal_spirit]

lmao thelyran. I found the IT crowd recently and yes it's good. And know that espisode :D

As for Bowie there's been threads done here, "Bowie and the occult" like many other famous people.

[krakhead]

Warhol or Tesla?

He played Warhol in Basquiat

[merlincove]

He played Warhol in Basquiat

thats the one krakers, cheers. i thought that he did a brilliant job, altho warhol never really appealed to me i loved bowies interpretation of him.

[thelyran]

lmao thelyran. I found the IT crowd recently and yes it's good. And know that espisode :D

As for Bowie there's been threads done here, "Bowie and the occult" like many other famous people....hahahaha...the IT Crowd is an absolute gem,don't mind Black books either...as for Bowie,love the guy,but here for examples of occultism
The Supermen...a Blavatsky inspired tale...album,The Man Who Sold The World
The Width Of a Circle...Occult imagery and thought projection
...there's others...but got brain fuzz at the moment,oh,the Satanist just said how about Fashion,they call themselves The Goon Squad,BeepBeep...thats their balance of Karma for the Brain fuzz...she wants to fuck me you know that,...yes,I'm sure Megs,in more ways than one...hahahaha:D

[coco]

Sorry guys, I was confused and thinking of the movie, 'The Prestige'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prestige_(film)

[thelyran]

Sorry guys, I was confused and thinking of the movie, 'The Prestige'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prestige_(film)

...you are most forgiven my dear,I knew,i just was'nt going to say...I am a great fan of The Velvet Underground,they featured Warhol in an Oliver Stone
film,The Doors...here I give you a gold painted telephone,you can talk to God...:D

[1977]

Listen to David Bowie's OUTSIDE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_(album)) album. It's a concept album about ritual art murders.

Now, wherever did he get that idea? The critics all tore it apart and said it was an unlistenable mess; IMO it's probably the best album he ever released.

I prefer to think these things are part of the Collective Unconscious trying to tell us something. But I remain a boundless optimist...

[thelyran]

Listen to David Bowie's OUTSIDE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_(album)) album. It's a concept album about ritual art murders.

Now, wherever did he get that idea? The critics all tore it apart and said it was an unlistenable mess; IMO it's probably the best album he ever released.

I prefer to think these things are part of the Collective Unconscious trying to tell us something. But I remain a boundless optimist...

...thankyou,will check that out...one of his best is live at the BBC sessions,check cd 2...his cover of The Velvet Undergrounds "I'm Waiting For The Man"...done ala T-Rex style...lllllllooovveeee it...coolest sound you'll ever hear...regards kind sir,Jason

[markomac]

Lol at this OP!

How has it hid from me for so long? The God Of Fuck continues..... roll on the new album.

Ha ha.

MM

[eternal_spirit]

Lol at this OP!

How has it hid from me for so long? The God Of Fuck continues..... roll on the new album.

Ha ha.

MM
:D

MM his initials? coincidence or maybe more to it. Do you know comawhite he's not been logged on for ages? He's a big fan too.

[opulentview]

He's nowhere near as popular as he was in the nineties. He's very much a joke these days. I was never a huge fan but his album [I]Mechanical Animals was a good rock album, he really doesn't speak much about religion anymore from what I've noticed; I'm SureLevay gassed his head up those years.

[meksar]

Fuck that baphomet worshiping cocksucker Marilyn Mason, he is human form of vermin and a shit stain of youth's mind. He is part of what i call the "Cock and Roll" agenda, this guy masturbates on live stage, eats his own shit and burns a cow alive to a bunch a cheering lunatics. People like the Beatles,Rolling Stone's and Frank Sinatra/Ratpack are what they started with and to be honest that was quite harmless compared to this stuff. They got rid of Lennon and McCartney for realizing what the game was and not playing ball.

They use people like Marilyn to promote bestiality, sodomy and basically vampire behavior. Sex,Drugs and Rock and Roll (666) and now it has been replaced by Money,Cars and Hoes (666). You have rappers like DMX(Dark Man X) who use depraved lyrics like "I got blood on my knife tip and feel no remorse, i got blood on my dick because i fucked a corpse". It's all part of bringing the spirit of Lucifer into manifestation and they are doing a damn good job of it.

[krakhead]

C'mon Mek, admit it, you own all MM's albums but due to preferring NIN you feel you have to have a go at him out of loyalty to Trent Reznor! :D

[meksar]

C'mon Mek, admit it, you own all MM's albums but due to preferring NIN you feel you have to have a go at him out of loyalty to Trent Reznor! :D

Your avatar explains what side of the fence you are on, i don't give a shit about these Luciferian parasites put forward as entrainment to corrupt the youth's mind. Marilyn is a 21st century version of Aleister Crowley and i am pretty sure he is a Khazar(he looks like he belongs in the caves and drinking blood). The Goat of Mendes is what this fagot cross dressing freak is part of and he has taken unrighteousness to another level.

Here is a clip of the so called Jews showing there true identity and if i was one of those guys i would have given them a good kicking. If you was to make a Nazi salute in public you would be arrested for offending the "Jews", but they can get away with their satanic shit and paying homage to Albert Pike (A Khazar himself).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5inLcO83wo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3wXS8ctN24&feature=related

[dusthead]

Some of these posts remind me of the PMRC in the eighties!

It's just a dark form of theatre - calm down! Marilyn isn't even that good anymore - he hit his peek in the nineties which is a long time ago now. He says it himself (quote) - I'm as fake as a wedding cake.

He is merely a manipulator of the media and has cleverly deconstructed templates invented by Alice Cooper, David Bowie, Trent Reznor and Boy George. That's all it is. If you don't like it, turn it off.

[scotty99]

This is the real Manson


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdWxIC8yhrg&feature=related

[loohan]

(quote)Even Orgone Warrior Loohan (http://www.loohan.com/blog8-6.htm) vouches for him (Disclaimer: Loohan is frickin' crazy!):

Can't argue with the crazy part.
David Bowie is definitely not a blood ritual satanist, but is he completely legit?
See Matthew Delooze
http://www.matthewdelooze.co.uk/print.php?type=A&item_id=18

That said, i kind of like the guy. Even though i'm not normally wild about gay men.

[thirdwave]

Listen to David Bowie's OUTSIDE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_(album)) album. It's a concept album about ritual art murders.

Now, wherever did he get that idea? The critics all tore it apart and said it was an unlistenable mess; IMO it's probably the best album he ever released.

I prefer to think these things are part of the Collective Unconscious trying to tell us something. But I remain a boundless optimist...


all artists will take info we also can take and they will create art out of it...

if an artists determine if something is good or bad in the way they create then they are simply not being very creative.

[thirdwave]

this guy masturbates on live stage,

And?, did he fling his jiz at you or somthing?

eats his own shit
And?, did he offer you a bite?

and burns a cow alive

Bullshit.

People like the Beatles,Rolling Stone's and Frank Sinatra/Ratpack are what they started with and to be honest that was quite harmless compared to this stuff.

Rubbish... this stuff is real... what is a harm to people is the kind of music which has been processed and designed to sell music through the programed majority... making the world out to be a shell within scocity.

MM, has done no damange to anyone whats so ever, and any thing dirty he has done is because its what his audiance allready felt.


They use people like Marilyn to promote bestiality, sodomy and basically vampire behavior. Sex,Drugs and Rock and Roll (666) and now it has been replaced by Money,Cars and Hoes (666). You have rappers like DMX(Dark Man X) who use depraved lyrics like "I got blood on my knife tip and feel no remorse, i got blood on my dick because i fucked a corpse". It's all part of bringing the spirit of Lucifer into manifestation and they are doing a damn good job of it.

You clearly dont have a clue.

[thirdwave]

Marilyn is a 21st century version of Aleister Crowley

In his Dreams... MM is pretty cool but not a patch on Crowley :)... Crowley was way ahead of his time... he was eating shit way before MM was :)

[bulletproofheart]

Manson goes home and listenes to Celine Dion,Ican just tell.

[enga]

(quote)Even Orgone Warrior Loohan (http://www.loohan.com/blog8-6.htm) vouches for him (Disclaimer: Loohan is frickin' crazy!):

Can't argue with the crazy part.
David Bowie is definitely not a blood ritual satanist, but is he completely legit?
See Matthew Delooze
http://www.matthewdelooze.co.uk/print.php?type=A&item_id=18

That said, i kind of like the guy. Even though i'm not normally wild about gay men.

Gay??? I thought he was married or seeing some Imani woman (something like that)

[loohan]

Gay??? I thought he was married or seeing some Imani woman (something like that)

Well, what do i know. I'm getting a like psychic impression he used to be bi, at least.

They say Alice Cooper's not gay, either.

[bulletproofheart]

(quote)Even Orgone Warrior Loohan (http://www.loohan.com/blog8-6.htm) vouches for him (Disclaimer: Loohan is frickin' crazy!):

Can't argue with the crazy part.
David Bowie is definitely not a blood ritual satanist, but is he completely legit?
See Matthew Delooze
http://www.matthewdelooze.co.uk/print.php?type=A&item_id=18

That said, i kind of like the guy. Even though i'm not normally wild about gay men.

Unless they tell you they are gay how do you know?You are surrounded by them...haha

[eternal_spirit]

This is the real Manson


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdWxIC8yhrg&feature=related

quote thirdwave
And?, did he fling his jiz at you or somthing?

quote bulletproofheart
Manson goes home and listenes to Celine Dion,Ican just tell.


I have nothing to add apart from

:D

[thirdwave]

Only just noticed he is playing the Download festival...

[indianinthemachine]

Click this link to read this same article but with the imbedded links (thanks David Icke Forum posters....there's really good reading here):

http://indianinthemachine.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/a-spiritual-and-physical-guide-to-overcoming-organized-evil-by-dieter-braun-indian-in-the-machine/

A Spiritual And Physical Guide To Overcoming Organized Evil – by Dieter Braun (Indian in the machine)

As a person increases their level of consciousness they come to know God and to know themselves as Godlike and have Godlike experiences in wisdom. As a person avoids consciousness and their own spiritual heritage, they come to know satan, and themselves become satanlike and have experiences rooted in ignorance.

As a person seeks out spiritual teachers who are of the Light they can benefit from the experiences and wisdom of others.

As a person seeks out false idols who entertain them and lead them through media, products and government, chances are they are being enslaved through techniques and messages that they many not fully understand.

SET YOUR INTENTIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY AND BEFORE SLEEP.
If you don’t set you intentions at the beginning of the day, then you able to more powerfully direct your energy. Now because our world is going head-to-head in the final battle between Light and dark, it’s important to set a foundation of Light at the beginning of the day. There are numerous ways to do this.

PUT YOUR ENERGY AND INTENTIONS IN WRITING
Ask yourself some telling and revealing questions and answer them honestly and truthfully…
1. Why are you here on planet earth?
2. What do you hope to accomplish during your remaining limited time on planet earth?
3. What are your strategies to create Light-filled experiences?
4. What are your strategies to limit the dark from affecting you in an unconscious way?
5. What does your heart tell you, that would bring you the most joy?
6. What are your strategies to live from the heart?
7. What are your strategies to clear your energy from the past of things that are no longer serving you?
8. What are your strategies to create yourself anew everyday, living in the now?
9. What are your strategies to connect yourself with nature?
10. When your life is over, you will review everything 100% standing naked before God that you have created, and you will review everything 100% before God that you have destroyed…how would you like that experience to be?

REGULAR AFFIRMATIONS AND DECREES CAN ESTABLISH YOUR CO-COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE SPIRIT REALM
It is important to have regular affirmations and decrees so that the spirit world can work on our behalf. If we do not do this then our spirit guides cannot act on our behalf, because we have freewill and they are not allowed to do things beyond our freewill. Regular affirmations and decrees are a powerful way to join with the multitudes of unseen beings who have the advantage of seeing and working with energies that are beyond our comprehension. Chose your favorite decrees and make them a regular part of your life. Here are a few examples:

1. If you are seeking more abundance, try the decree of abundance

2. If you are hanging on to dark energies…perhaps you feel weighted down, or perhaps you are affected by dark energies at work or in your relationships….try the TOTAL ENERGY CLEARING DECREE.

3. Perhaps you’d like to help attract Cosmic Light from the Universe to bathe our planet, especially in areas of war, slavery and environmental destruction. Check out the Invocation to the Great Cosmic Light.

4. The Violet Flame can be regularly invoked to transmute negative energies that reside within you.

5. Make up your own decrees…for example: Indian’s FREE ENERGY DECREE – “I believe that energy exists all around us to benefit from and to use to create our lives full of beauty, harmony and love including solar energy, wind energy, the energy of the waxing and waning ocean tides, perpetual magnetic motion energy, photon energy and much more! I believe that free energy technologies all ready exist on this planet, and it is my desire that all humans on planet earth have equal access to free energy technologies, so that we can end poverty, war, evil control and bless our lives with everlasting abundant creative Lightfilled power…let’s move beyond the coal industry, beyond the nuclear industry, beyond fossil fuels….LET’S ATTRACT FREE ENERGY TO OUR LIVES RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW!”

A PRAYER TO GOD ATON FOR 100% WHITE LIGHT PROTECTION

(IN THE WISDOM OF KNOWING THAT UNSEEN AND UNKNOWN HUMAN AND NON-HUMAN TECHNOLOGIES EXIST AND ARE CURRENTLY BEING DEPLOYED UPON MAJOR CITIES AND ARE AFFECTING OUR PERSONAL HEALTH, WE USE THIS PRAYER TO ASK FOR A FULL SHIELD OF LIGHT PROTECTION FROM GOD).

YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT AND DRINK. PERIOD.
Either you are creating yourself as a crystal diamond of Light, or a contaminated lump of coal. If you eat pure raw fruit, vegetables and nuts, and drink remineralized blessed pure water, you are becoming a crystal diamond of Light. If you drink tap water and eat processed foods from large corporations like Kraft, McDonalds, Nestle, Monstanto, Campbells, Proctor and Gamble etc., chances are you are needless contaminating yourself and knocking on cancer’s door.
As you create yourself as a crystal diamond, you can process more Light, more information…you are essentially creating yourself to be a human supercomputer.

As you create yourself as a lump of contaminated coal, you are essentially creating yourself as a defective computer that crashes all the time, with illness, depression, cancer each step…each moment taking you closer to weakness.

Can you see now why the powers-that-be seek to contaminate the world? It’s because they seek to create you as weak instead of powerful.

Can you see now why your power is in your desire, willingness and actions to detoxify body, mind, and emotions, thus bringing you closer to your power and who you really are…a powerful divine creator?

Visit Indian in the machine’s Detoxification webpage.

How do I create sacred crystal water – by Dieter Braun (Indian in the machine)

SEEK OUT THE TRUTH AND PROCESS THE TRUTH FROM THE HEART
it is very useful to process the truth with your mind, and then you process the truth from the heart.

If you get your news from major corporations then chances are you are being deceived and will not have access to full truth. If you get your information from people perhaps online or through word-of-mouth from people who are interested in the Truth, then chances are you are getting access to the Truth as people know it to be. Get to know how the truth is suppress in your own life…see how the same techniques are used by governments and other people who wish to control the masses!

Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.

1. Dummy up. If it’s not reported, if it’s not news, it didn’t happen.

2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the “How dare you?” gambit.

3. Characterize the charges as “rumors” or, better yet, “wild rumors.” If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through “rumors.” (If they tend to believe the “rumors” it must be because they are simply “paranoid” or “hysterical.”)

4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.

5. Call the skeptics names like “conspiracy theorist,” “nutcase,” “ranter,” “kook,” “crackpot,” and, of course, “rumor monger.” Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the “more reasonable” government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own “skeptics” to shoot down.

6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).

7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.

8. Dismiss the charges as “old news.”

9. Come half-clean. This is also known as “confession and avoidance” or “taking the limited hangout route.” This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal “mistakes.” This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.

10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.

11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster “suicide” note was forged, they would have reported it. They haven’t reported it so there is no such evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press who would report the leak.

12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was murdered, who did it and why?

13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.

14. Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as “bump and run” reporting.

15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the “facts” furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.

16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges “expose” scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.

17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, “What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?” Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.

Courtesy of DCDAVE.
http://www.dcdave.com/article3/991228.html

HAVE CONSCIOUS MOMENTS
As we move throughout our days it’s not possible to absorb everything we experience…to be aware of every car on the streets as we go to work, to read every billboard, to remember everybody’s face…everybody’s name. However as we set our intentions beforehand, we give ourselves guidance as to what we would like to be conscious of. For example, if one sets the intention to not be brainwashed by the media, then it’s important to avoid commercials and perhaps magazines that seek to sway our values, attitudes and beliefs away from the Light…and to clear our energy when we do expose ourselves to brainwashing techniques found in Hollywood movies, found in video games, found in public establishments etc.

1. If you eat something, know the ingredients.
2. If you drink something…know the ingredients.
3. If you say something…know why you say it.
4. If you believe something…know why you believe it.
5. There are no accidents…know why your life is the way that it is.
6. As you seek to know God, you will seek to know yourself.

KNOW GOD AND KNOW YOUR ADVERSARY
In the final battle between Light and dark, which we are in right here and right now, it’s important to be conscious of both sides of the Oneness.

KNOW GOD
God is everywhere, so to become conscious of everything is to know God. God also has a strong presence on the internet via his direct words and also via his Heavenly Hosts.
Who is God Aton?
Archangel Michael
Numerous Heavenly Host messages at The Rainbow Scribe
THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENT YOU SHALL EVER BE GIVEN

KNOW YOUR ADVERSARY
Numerous links are available at Indian in the machine’s Know Your Adversary webpage. webpage.

YOUR LIFE IS YOUR MOVIE AND YOU ARE THE LEADING CHARACTER
It’s you who were chosen to be here at this time…not to be a passive watching, standing by idly waiting for something to happen. You are the star and your life is your movie. You are the set designer. You are the script writer. You are the director who says, “Action”…and then you put everything you desire to be in your movie…into action. You are your own action hero or heroine.

YOU WERE HANDPICKED BY GOD TO BE ON PLANET EARTH AT THIS TIME
God is asking us to amplify his energies at this time. Simple, meaningful acts of God Love, is what is asked of us. We requested to be here to amplify God´s Love…we do so much more easily, as we clean out the resistance within us. We can now see that the processed food industry has been creating resistance within us via the mass poisoning of our species and our planet….since our reality is first created in the spiritual world, before it´s created in the physical world, the same is true for the energies which transmute all negativity on our planet. Create your reality in the spiritual world with your ultimate collaborator first, God. God is all around us, and within us, and he waits for us with open arms for all eternity, to wake up. We wake up in this lifetime, or if we don´t…. we have all eternity to experience as many lifetimes as necessary, however remember that we are God´s ultimate dream team for planet earth, all we need is to reflect God into each other´s eyes….let´s bring each other paradise as a gift to ourselves. Let´s wake up in this lifetime.
WE ARE GOD’S DREAM TEAM FOR PLANET EARTH

GOD IS WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES…ARE YOU WITH GOD AT ALL TIMES?
Often the organized manmade world around us seeks to distract us form God. God remains with us at all times…our role is to be with God at all times. This means that when we are at work, we bring God with us. When we go to court…we bring God with us. When we go to the supermarket, or on a holiday or anywhere…we bring God with us. When we go to visit the doctor or any authority…we bring God with us as our ULTIMATE AUTHORITY. We do this because this is our strength. Our strength as individuals and as a species is to end our denial of God, so that we can consciously co-collaborate with Him (Her).

Denial of God is felt, anytime you are embarrassed to talk about God. Denial of God is experienced, anytime you try to solve your problems without God.
Denial of God is experienced, anytime you try to create a better world without God.
Denial of God is experienced, anytime you feel you know better than God.
Denial of God is experienced, anytime you put your ego before the rest of the world. Your ego is very useful to you, so do not try to destroy your ego or other’s egos, rather place your ego behind your Higher Self. As you act from your Higher Self, you process all that you experience through your heart with your helpful ego behind your Higher Self. Your Higher Self is who you really are and so we strive to connect with our Higher Self in every moment.

If you find this information to be extremely useful, then please send it to your email contact list, with my blessings and thanks.

I am a member of God’s DreamTeam 2012 and so are you.

In service to the Light,

Dieter Braun
Indian in the machine

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[mrmoney]

You people should realise that fake Satanism is used, and has been throughout history, as a tongue-in-cheek way to gain intrigue from gullible people. Crowley did it. Marilyn Manson does it. IT'S ALL AN ACT. Can you not tell from the ridiculous layout of these websites that they're being written by a bunch of schizophrenic/overly-religious retards?

[vetis]

Manson is nothing, some guy in makeup being "dark" as a marketing gimmick.

Now "Emo" is in fashion, his new stuff seems to be that. He's purely looking to cash in on trends.

What is appropriate action, refuse your children access to certain materials?

Because forbidden things don't interest children more and especially those forbidden things they know piss off their parents right?

The best thing you could do for him is have public burnings of his stuff, he can't pay for the publicity he gets for free from Christian groups.

[navi]

Wow. So I thought the whole world was bored with Manson by the end of the 90's, so I guess the fact he's still ruffling some people's feathers is quite a compliment. Personally the more people go on with this Satanic drivel about him the more I think I'd like to see half the population given labotamies.

First off...and this is regards mostly to the original poster of this heinous thread, do you know anything about Marilyn Manson? Have you read anything he has to say from an UNBIASED and ACCURATE, NON CHRISTIAN source? No? I didn't think so. Being on the David Icke message boards I would think you would be quite aware of the saying "Don't believe everything you hear" or read. All the info supplied is of a POPULAR opinion. I don't even think I need to address what a problem popular opinion of the world is, do I?

The biggest thing with Manson is his music is about not accepting things at face value, not buying into a religion which takes teachings of love and light and uses them to condemn and hurt others, to reject the system and give the metaphorical(and sometimes literal) middle finger to society and religion.

Marilyn says best for himself with the lyrics of "I never hated the one True God, but the god of the people I hated"(Fight Song)...which if you can't discern what that means you're an idiot. The god of the people he hates is the one that people used to bully, damage, kill and every other atrocity in the name of god. You can see these types everywhere. The priest that rapes the altar boys, the country that commands holy wars in the name of god(pick a name, doesn't matter), or in making people feel like social rejects because they didn't fit the mold. He, like many others, ultimately sees christianity as an excuse for cruelty to hide behind the light and a Good Guy Badge.
So when he insults it and gets you all rattled up and offended, he's trying to outrage you, to get you to think, but you can't see past the antics to see what is truely happening here, what is being said. "You can't see the forest for the trees and you can't smell the shit on your own knees..."
He doesn't make it pretty because this world and the corruption isn't pretty. It's disgusting and he wants you to be angry, he wants to upset you enough to have a reaction. If you are upset and realize what he's trying to say, well, then consider yourself one of the ones blessed with the ability to see to the heart of it. However if you are offended and don't get why he would do it...well, then he wants to make you upset for your stupidity. If you can't see the ugliness that hides behind the guise of Christianity you deserve it.

I am sick to death of people being fucking idiots and not getting the message. Always with the dumb rumors like he got his ribs removed to suck his own dick, etc, etc, etc...most people with even one brain cell that occasionally functions will know what these are...rumors. They will know why they are created, out of hate. What better way to discredit something you don't like? Make up something ugly in order to make others hate it as much as you. Never seeing one goddamn truth in the whole mess. Everyone knows the truth isn't kind or pretty, so why are you surprised no one wants to hear it and so instead make up terrible things about Marilyn Manson?

He's not what you think and if you're too close minded to try and understand, well, enjoy your comfortable illusions.

As for his connection for Satanism...do you even know what it is? Have you ever read the Satanic Bible? Because those who don't do their homework are doomed to fail and be idiots.

I love Marilyn Manson and I always will. He makes you see what you don't want to see, but if one is familiar with his work at all, there is a lot of hope in his music and the message is there if only you are smart enough to understand it. As for the kids who have depressed by his music, I can assure you they would have found their excuse elswhere if Marilyn had never existed. He is a convenient scapegoat for those who don't want to see the inherant ugliness and twistedness of the system, most notably the religious systems operating in society.

Go listen to his music, go read his interviews(while keeping in mind the man has a strange sense of humor, but it is just that, humor), read his books, see him perform, etc and maybe you'll come to understand what's being said instead of just ASSUMING you know.

[armoured_amazon]

do you know anything about Marilyn Manson? Have you read anything he has to say from an UNBIASED and ACCURATE, NON CHRISTIAN source?

Speaking for myself, yes. And quite frankly, the fact this thread keeps getting bumped is boring. MM hasn't released anything of worth in ages. He's a pathetic little scrote, dabbling in shit he doesn't understand, and even his god isn't rewarding him any more. Off the radar. Move aside, Brian, you were never a patch on Alice, anyway.

The biggest thing with Manson is his music is about not accepting things at face value, not buying into a religion which takes teachings of love and light and uses them to condemn and hurt others, to reject the system and give the metaphorical(and sometimes literal) middle finger to society and religion.

My music touches on those things, yet I don't feel the need to make a show of myself onstage.

Marilyn says best for himself with the lyrics of "I never hated the one True God, but the god of the people I hated"

And there you have it. He's still vibrating at the lower frequency that feels and expresses hate. If he were sooooo enlightened, he'd have passed that place by now. He's a freakin' idiot to think that the people who do evil, do so because they are 'acting in God's name'. And if he's an idiot, so are those of you who fall for it. I could go out and rape little kids, murder old people, and label it a tirade against religion/government/blah blah blah. Doesn't mean it is. "By their fruits you shall know them."

(Fight Song)...which if you can't discern what that means you're an idiot. The god of the people he hates is the one that people used to bully, damage, kill and every other atrocity in the name of god. You can see these types everywhere. The priest that rapes the altar boys, the country that commands holy wars in the name of god(pick a name, doesn't matter), or in making people feel like social rejects because they didn't fit the mold. He, like many others, ultimately sees christianity as an excuse for cruelty to hide behind the light and a Good Guy Badge.

He is (a) like many others, freakin' stupid enough to think it has anything to do with Christianity, and/or (b) selling that charade well to you, because his real controllers, the satanists/nwo/'elite' package up what they need, to gain what they must. Perhaps you should take some time in the Stepford Wives thread.

I listen to MM frequently; I like a lot of his music. But I see right through him to the weak-minded 'man'-slave he is.

So when he insults it and gets you all rattled up and offended, he's trying to outrage you, to get you to think, but you can't see past the antics to see what is truely happening here, what is being said. "You can't see the forest for the trees and you can't smell the shit on your own knees..."

How commercial. Really. Beautiful People isn't the only song by the only writer in the world that slags society off. Alice Cooper manages to put messages across without piss and shit and blasphemy. Maybe it's because I'm old English - I like a certain standard of social etiquette, else we be dogs.

He doesn't make it pretty because this world and the corruption isn't pretty. It's disgusting and he wants you to be angry, he wants to upset you enough to have a reaction. If you are upset and realize what he's trying to say, well, then consider yourself one of the ones blessed with the ability to see to the heart of it. However if you are offended and don't get why he would do it...well, then he wants to make you upset for your stupidity. If you can't see the ugliness that hides behind the guise of Christianity you deserve it.

Again, the things you see in MM's work (ha, and he didn't create it, btw), some of us see PAST. They are just another illusion that people are still caught up in. If you think he's thinking anything you wrote in that final quoted section, perhaps someone needs to squeeze yourhead to see if you're ripe yet. This is not an attack on you as an individual, just at the group who stand and marvel at the rock formations on the ground without noticing the lava flow from an erupting volcano heading their way.

MM is, sorry, was, entertaining - his performances are dire now - why? Because when one is driven by money it is hard to muster up the same enthusiasm year after year. Ha! Passion for his art. Passion, my ASS. Money, Mammon, he has access to his riches now, why put on adecent showforthe fans any more? Seriously? True artists do it for the passion.

It's exasperating. And here I go back to the thread about there being no point in waking people. The worst to wake are the dreamers who think they're wide awake already.

I am sick to death of people being fucking idiots and not getting the message. Always with the dumb rumors like he got his ribs removed to suck his own dick, etc, etc, etc...

Why does that even bother you on his behalf? Is that a fan thing or something? It's irrelevant, but explains your entire post. You're a fanboy/girl. Thus will always see Brian Warner through rose-tinted heart-shaped glasses.

most people with even one brain cell that occasionally functions will know what these are...rumors. They will know why they are created, out of hate. What better way to discredit something you don't like? Make up something ugly in order to make others hate it as much as you. Never seeing one goddamn truth in the whole mess. Everyone knows the truth isn't kind or pretty, so why are you surprised no one wants to hear it and so instead make up terrible things about Marilyn Manson?

He's not what you think and if you're too close minded to try and understand, well, enjoy your comfortable illusions.

Oh, you've spent time with him? Because, as a matter of fact, I have spent time in his company. He's a dick.

As for his connection for Satanism...do you even know what it is?

Yes.

Have you ever read the Satanic Bible?

Yes.

Because those who don't do their homework are doomed to fail and be idiots.

LOL How freakin' true.

I love Marilyn Manson and I always will. He makes you see what you don't want to see, but if one is familiar with his work at all, there is a lot of hope in his music and the message is there if only you are smart enough to understand it. As for the kids who have depressed by his music, I can assure you they would have found their excuse elswhere if Marilyn had never existed. He is a convenient scapegoat for those who don't want to see the inherant ugliness and twistedness of the system, most notably the religious systems operating in society.

And there you used the love word - I KNEW you were a fan bot. You'll never see while you still live in a realm that has fans and stars. Being a fan wilfully puts you lower than another. Stop it. One can enjoy music without letting performers govern one's thoughts. Music is art and as such an expression of someone's creative flow. Go flow your own instead of drinking from poisonous wells.

Go listen to his music, go read his interviews(while keeping in mind the man has a strange sense of humor, but it is just that, humor), read his books, see him perform, etc and maybe you'll come to understand what's being said instead of just ASSUMING you know.

Done it. He's not that funny, actually. And that sense of humour and 'knowing' is part of his image. Offstage, he's dull as dish water. Like I said, I move in numerous musical circles. So don't assume YOU know.

In a slight departure from the topic, energy signatures emanate from individuals. Some can pick up on it, others can't. When someone has a dull, smelly energy, I dunno, like a subway tunnel people have thieved in and pissed in...I don't view them as enlightened. More, as a whore, as a sex worker for higher powers than them.

Step away from licking the pop star's feet and carve your own path.

[thirdwave]

Speaking for myself, yes. And quite frankly, the fact this thread keeps getting bumped is boring. MM hasn't released anything of worth in ages. He's a pathetic little scrote, dabbling in shit he doesn't understand, and even his god isn't rewarding him any more. Off the radar. Move aside, Brian, you were never a patch on Alice, anyway.


lol who just so happens to be a good old American Christian!, and has about as much to say as a can of baked beans.



My music touches on those things, yet I don't feel the need to make a show of myself onstage.
But is making a show on stage not part of entertainment?

I am not really a performer, more a musician, but I can still respect a performance as art. and just because it is not based on fake white teeth, or stuff that society deems as expectable it does not make it any more creative.



And there you have it. He's still vibrating at the lower frequency that feels and expresses hate. If he were sooooo enlightened, when has he ever announced he was enlightened?

As far as I know he is honest enough to admit his head is fucked, its just he knows what fucked it... and is having a sing song about it...

you ever heard of the blues?

Would you have gone up to the people who invented the blues and have a go at the more being miserable and not being enlightened?


he'd have passed that place by now. He's a freakin' idiot to think that the people who do evil, do so because they are 'acting in God's name'.

No, you simply have to look at history and parts of the world.... just because you and few others are not like that it does not make it a non issue does it.

And if he's an idiot, so are those of you who fall for it. I could go out and rape little kids, murder old people, and label it a tirade against religion/government/blah blah blah. Doesn't mean it is. "By their fruits you shall know them."


You just ignore the bullshit religion has created, yet point the finger at other groups down falls.... the book you inspire to is full of shit, lies, misleading teachings and is simply rapped up in obvious things that a simple human being that has been rased in a loving family would understand....

And its you who falls for the teachings that it comes from a book, that if it was not even for the good old Romans you would not even have seen today.



I listen to MM frequently; I like a lot of his music. But I see right through him to the weak-minded 'man'-slave he is.
only more educated than you.



How commercial. Really. Beautiful People isn't the only song by the only writer in the world that slags society off. Alice Cooper manages to put messages across without piss and shit and blasphemy.

oh AC managed to tell kids they don't like school!, what a revelation!

times move on... how can you expect old school musicians to speak for a generation.... thats just ignorance.... MM was about NOW!, not the 80s!

the NWO is being rapped up today, not back then....

The thing is with you guys, is you think the way to stop someone pissing out their ear is by sticking a cork in it, then when peoples heads start going crazy, you declare them as none Christian! ... if people need to piss out their ear then that what they gota do! .... corks are not the answer... Jesus Chris is nothing but a Cork.... an amputation, NOTHING to do with freedom... you dont have freedom while there is a Lord about.


Maybe it's because I'm old English - I like a certain standard of social etiquette, else we be dogs.

or maybe you do not respect freedom of Art.



MM is, sorry, was, entertaining - his performances are dire now - why? Because when one is driven by money it is hard to muster up the same enthusiasm year after year.

Oh and Alice Cooper was not driven by money right?

Here kids...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqI4xfsdv7Y

here have another, this one must brought in a few bob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HRclQ5ONFg

aaaaand another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ai8XfhMfc



Today its very hard not to musically sell out because that's the way the music business is run.. you sell out or get out unless you are good enough to go it alone... as there are 0 risks taken by the record companies, they stick to a formula and that's it.... this is why people either fade out, or sell out... or both.

Ha! Passion for his art. Passion, my ASS. Money, Mammon, he has access to his riches now, why put on adecent showforthe fans any more? Seriously? True artists do it for the passion.

more contradiction... you can say that about any artist with a record deal... you dont know how passionate he is.... and he sertanlty stpes in the political ring, which he does not have to , to make money.

It's exasperating. And here I go back to the thread about there being no point in waking people. The worst to wake are the dreamers who think they're wide awake already.

nothing wrong with the dreamers, they are normally the ones who are still awake.... the bible thumper... lol, no, they are not dreaming they are simply passed out.

Your book was given to you by the Roman empire, there is not one copy of the bible that is different from the bible parts that are put into the bible that the Roman spread around the world, now, do your research on the Romans and look at the people controlling the world today and have a good think about your 2000 year old book you think is more important than musicians today speaking for how new humans feel today.


Oh, you've spent time with him? Because, as a matter of fact, I have spent time in his company. He's a dick.
and you of course did not come from an "offended" Bias view point.


Step away from licking the pop star's feet and carve your own path.

lol classic, his own path, or the bibles path?... the one that has created your opinion here for you.

[armoured_amazon]

lol who just so happens to be a good old American Christian!, and has about as much to say as a can of baked beans.




But is making a show on stage not part of entertainment?

I am not really a performer, more a musician, but I can still respect a performance as art. and just because it is not based on fake white teeth, or stuff that society deems as expectable it does not make it any more creative.



when has he ever announced he was enlightened?

As far as I know he is honest enough to admit his head is fucked, its just he knows what fucked it... and is having a sing song about it...

you ever heard of the blues?

Would you have gone up to the people who invented the blues and have a go at the more being miserable and not being enlightened?




No, you simply have to look at history and parts of the world.... just because you and few others are not like that it does not make it a non issue does it.



You just ignore the bullshit religion has created, yet point the finger at other groups down falls.... the book you inspire to is full of shit, lies, misleading teachings and is simply rapped up in obvious things that a simple human being that has been rased in a loving family would understand....

And its you who falls for the teachings that it comes from a book, that if it was not even for the good old Romans you would not even have seen today.




only more educated than you.




oh AC managed to tell kids they don't like school!, what a revelation!

times move on... how can you expect old school musicians to speak for a generation.... thats just ignorance.... MM was about NOW!, not the 80s!

the NWO is being rapped up today, not back then....

The thing is with you guys, is you think the way to stop someone pissing out their ear is by sticking a cork in it, then when peoples heads start going crazy, you declare them as none Christian! ... if people need to piss out their ear then that what they gota do! .... corks are not the answer... Jesus Chris is nothing but a Cork.... an amputation, NOTHING to do with freedom... you dont have freedom while there is a Lord about.




or maybe you do not respect freedom of Art.





Oh and Alice Cooper was not driven by money right?

Here kids...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqI4xfsdv7Y

here have another, this one must brought in a few bob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HRclQ5ONFg

aaaaand another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ai8XfhMfc



Today its very hard not to musically sell out because that's the way the music business is run.. you sell out or get out unless you are good enough to go it alone... as there are 0 risks taken by the record companies, they stick to a formula and that's it.... this is why people either fade out, or sell out... or both.



more contradiction... you can say that about any artist with a record deal... you dont know how passionate he is.... and he sertanlty stpes in the political ring, which he does not have to , to make money.



nothing wrong with the dreamers, they are normally the ones who are still awake.... the bible thumper... lol, no, they are not dreaming they are simply passed out.

Your book was given to you by the Roman empire, there is not one copy of the bible that is different from the bible parts that are put into the bible that the Roman spread around the world, now, do your research on the Romans and look at the people controlling the world today and have a good think about your 2000 year old book you think is more important than musicians today speaking for how new humans feel today.



and you of course did not come from an "offended" Bias view point.




lol classic, his own path, or the bibles path?... the one that has created your opinion here for you.

*yawn*

One of my closest friends is bloodline and a mason. Ialso have MM's back catalogue up to Golden Age, if I were as yousay, would I waste my money on 'eeeeeeeeeeeevil' music? PLEASE. I don't come from an 'offended' position, so don't think you're in a position to tell ME what I know or don't know. Go back to sleep. And you go on about my book, what are you going on about? My spirituality is from my Creator, not from people. But your infancy in understanding is evident in other threads.

Don't insult blues, aka, real musicians by putting them in the same pot.

I can't be bothered addressing the rest of your post, I have friends coming over and need to mop the kitchen.

Sleep, sleep.

[thirdwave]

*yawn*

One of my closest friends is bloodline and a mason. Ialso have MM's back catalogue up to Golden Age, if I were as yousay, would I waste my money on 'eeeeeeeeeeeevil' music? PLEASE.

Evil music? ... how can music be evil? .. that's a funny thing for me to hear?
How can art be evil?? lol


I don't come from an 'offended' position, so don't think you're in a position to tell ME what I know or don't know. Go back to sleep. And you go on about my book, what are you going on about? My spirituality is from my Creator, not from people. But your infancy in understanding is evident in other threads.

No its not, its from a 2000 year old book and if you had not read it you would not even know who your "creator" "was" ...


Don't insult blues, aka, real musicians by putting them in the same pot.
Its the same thing, the blues were about enjoying feeling down... and letting "satan" jam with you ....


The blues were not about being loving, yet they still contained love.

here are some lyrics by J L Hooker.. not really full of love...




I'm bad
I'm bad
Like Jesse James, uh-huh

I had a friend one time
Least I thought I did
He come to me
Said, 'Johnny?'
Said, 'What man?'
'I'm outdoor'
I say, 'Yeah?'

I taken the cat in
Get him a place to stay
And I found out
He goin' 'round town
Tellin' ev'rybody that he
He got my wife

Then I gets mad
I goes to the cat
Like a good guy should
I said, 'Look man
'I'm gonna warn, you just one time'
Next time I warn you'
'I'm gonna use my gun'

'Cause I'm mad, I'm bad, like Jesse James

I'm so mad, I'm so mad.
I'm gonna ruin you this mornin'.
I've got three boys
Do my dirty work
Now, you don't see me
I'm the big boss
I do the payin' off
After they take care of you

In their on way
They may shoot you
They may cut you.
They may drown you
I just don't know
I don't care
Long as they take care of you
In their on way

I'm so mad, I'm bad this mornin', like Jesse James.

They gon' take you right down
By the riverside
Now four is goin' down
Ain't but three comin' back
You read between the line
We're gonna have a deal

'Cause I'm mad, I'm bad, like Jesse James.

They gonna tie yo' hands
They gonna tie yo' feet
They gonna gag your throat
Where you can't holler none

An cryin' won't help you none
Set you in the water
Yeah, the bubbles comin' up.
Whoa
Rrrrrrr
Rrrrrrr

Oh yeah, I'm so mad!

Very cool song! I might add....


I can't be bothered addressing the rest of your post, I have friends coming over and need to mop the kitchen.

Sleep, sleep.

Happy mopping.... :)

[dawnismygoddess]

MM is degenerate scum.

[thirdwave]

MM is degenerate scum.

In your opinion.

[nihil]

He's a degenerate who was lucky enough to get some help from the elite in the music scene, due to his unvaluable lyrics, his dubious fashion and his overall immoral values . I read his biography in the past . The most horrible book ever .

[snow_white]

Speaking as someone who is friends with band members, both former and current...I've not seen a circus full of such uninformed disinformation and paranoid bollocks since the good old PMRC days. This thread is more inane than a supermarket checkout tabloid, only with fewer facts and substantially less integrity.

[armoured_amazon]

Speaking as someone who is friends with band members, both former and current...I've not seen a circus full of such uninformed disinformation and paranoid bollocks since the good old PMRC days. This thread is more inane than a supermarket checkout tabloid, only with fewer facts and substantially less integrity.

LOL 'friends with band members'. Ligger and swigger, then.

[thirdwave]

Speaking as someone who is friends with band members, both former and current...I've not seen a circus full of such uninformed disinformation and paranoid bollocks since the good old PMRC days. This thread is more inane than a supermarket checkout tabloid, only with fewer facts and substantially less integrity.

ok we will have to take your word for it... or share the same outlook as you :)

I also know a guy who is friends with his old guitar player or bass player, one of the two, (one called stig or something like that) and said they are more mellow than people think...

seems people have different views..

[thirdwave]

the plane reaction from people here towards this artists is evidence in its self they are very much on the wrong track :)

[krakhead]

LOL 'friends with band members'. Ligger and swigger, then.

You say that like it's a bad thing! :confused:

:D

[armoured_amazon]

You say that like it's a bad thing! :confused:

:D

LOL it's not, some of my best nights out were ligging and swigging :D

[krakhead]

LOL it's not, some of my best nights out were ligging and swigging :D

Mine too! :D

And why is everyone getting so wound up about MM? He did his best work with Trent Reznor, stuck his head up his ass and has since continued a steady decline into an artistic void.

Nothing satanic, just booze and ego.

[armoured_amazon]

Mine too! :D

And why is everyone getting so wound up about MM? He did his best work with Trent Reznor, stuck his head up his ass and has since continued a steady decline into an artistic void.

Nothing satanic, just booze and ego.

Yup. Ah, I loved the Nine Inch Nails gig last month *sigh* :)

[nihil]

The King Kill video is blatantly pro-elites .

Manson is a commercial puppet .

[krakhead]

Yup. Ah, I loved the Nine Inch Nails gig last month *sigh* :)

Oh you can fuck right off now!! :mad: Rub it in why don't you!!?

Bloody frigging show off!

:D

[armoured_amazon]

Oh you can fuck right off now!! :mad: Rub it in why don't you!!?

Bloody frigging show off!

:D

Hehe, Nine Inch Nails AND Jane's Addiction. Right in the mosh pit about 4 rows back :D Omg, it was sooooooooooooooo hot...thought I was going to pass out!

[krakhead]

Hehe, Nine Inch Nails AND Jane's Addiction. Right in the mosh pit about 4 rows back :D Omg, it was sooooooooooooooo hot...thought I was going to pass out!

I used to like you! :mad:

;)

:D

[funkyjesus]

Marilyn Manson has not wrote his last 3 albums.

Tim Skold wrote "The Golden Age of Grotesque" and "Eat Me, Kill Me" and Twiggy Ramirez wrote "The High End of Low" while Manson wrote the lyrics.

By the way, speaking of Tim Skold, check out KMFDM. Absolutely magnificent german industrial metal band going for 25 odd years, sticking it to the system the entire time. If people have not heard of them, then I am disgusted.

Few bands have been as dedicated to the cause of the people for so long.

[krakhead]

"Kill Mother Fucking Depeche Mode"

or

"Kylie Minogue Fans Don't Masturbate"

:D

KMFDM were an awesome band back in the day when Industrial Metal™ still seemed to be the future and before it disappeared up it's own skull lined orifice! :D

[funkyjesus]

They are still awesome. Skold is back working with them and Raymond Watts randomly appears every now and again, time permitting.

People just knock Kaptain K and the gang now because they are more traditional metal these days and Lucia sings with them.

Some of their most hard hitting political songs have been this decade as opposed to the earlier stuff.