Am I the only one who.........

[james777]

Where do I begin? I guess I'll just start with questioning; why do people intend on telling you what to think and what is true and what is false. Now I'm not calling everyone out and maybe I've just had experiences with people on this forum who are just full of hatred, anger, confusion and bigotry, but everytime I speak about things that I believe, suddenly, I'm attacked. Am I the only one who feels this way??

I'm just curious to figure out what makes everyone experts. Just because books are read and articles are studied and information is copied and pasted does not mean that you know what you're talking about. What happened to the good old days when people actually used their own brains and their own thoughts to have conversation instead of using their 'robotic' programmed minds?

Perhaps it's just me, but this forum is getting old quick with all the same recycled posts, time and time again. It's a real shame too, because this forum could actually be used for it's true purpose instead of being used as a 'venting' tool for angry, confused and hateful people. That's what I think anyways......

[viginti tres]

Where do I begin? I guess I'll just start with questioning; why do people intend on telling you what to think and what is true and what is false. Now I'm not calling everyone out and maybe I've just had experiences with people on this forum who are just full of hatred, anger, confusion and bigotry, but everytime I speak about things that I believe, suddenly, I'm attacked. Am I the only one who feels this way??

I'm just curious to figure out what makes everyone experts. Just because books are read and articles are studied and information is copied and pasted does not mean that you know what you're talking about. What happened to the good old days when people actually used their own brains and their own thoughts to have conversation instead of using their 'robotic' programmed minds?

Perhaps it's just me, but this forum is getting old quick with all the same recycled posts, time and time again. It's a real shame too, because this forum could actually be used for it's true purpose instead of being used as a 'venting' tool for angry, confused and hateful people. That's what I think anyways......

Yes....the ever present soap box mentality, it is getting rather tiresome and childish, I always assumed this was a place where openend minded persons could have an open discussion without the thought police at every turn, though it still is a great forum full of many wonderful people....what can we do hey?

I say let it be and we shall see, and never let anyone take your energy....... :)

Don't let it get ya down mate, you stick to what you feel is right....follow your heart and don't let anyone tell you different.......

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[klinker]

Agree with the above but I see it as a good indicator of who the debunkers are. Maybe there's a better word for them but they are here there is no doubt.

[lightbeing]

Where do I begin? I guess I'll just start with questioning; why do people intend on telling you what to think and what is true and what is false. Now I'm not calling everyone out and maybe I've just had experiences with people on this forum who are just full of hatred, anger, confusion and bigotry, but everytime I speak about things that I believe, suddenly, I'm attacked. Am I the only one who feels this way??

I'm just curious to figure out what makes everyone experts. Just because books are read and articles are studied and information is copied and pasted does not mean that you know what you're talking about. What happened to the good old days when people actually used their own brains and their own thoughts to have conversation instead of using their 'robotic' programmed minds?

Perhaps it's just me, but this forum is getting old quick with all the same recycled posts, time and time again. It's a real shame too, because this forum could actually be used for it's true purpose instead of being used as a 'venting' tool for angry, confused and hateful people. That's what I think anyways......

Maybe as David says, you only attract people similar to the vibration/frequency you are giving off............

I for one can say I have met some amazing lovely people here:), that's what I wanted, I do not like confrontation.

[ngawaka19]

I'm just curious to figure out what makes everyone experts. Just because books are read and articles are studied and information is copied and pasted does not mean that you know what you're talking about. What happened to the good old days when people actually used their own brains and their own thoughts to have conversation instead of using their 'robotic' programmed minds?

Perhaps it's just me, but this forum is getting old quick with all the same recycled posts, time and time again. It's a real shame too, because this forum could actually be used for it's true purpose instead of being used as a 'venting' tool for angry, confused and hateful people. That's what I think anyways...


I agree with you james777. And at the same time, I have learnt quite a bit. There are very interesting suggestions and opinions, some are facts and links, some are just opinions. But I sift thru what is mish mash to find the gold.

What I am really interested in though is the Spiritual conversations. And really, thats all there will be in the end, how we can overcome our own personality and ego to find enlightenment. If we take heed of the information that gets thrown around this forum, its clear that most of us believe there is an alien species that has taken control of our world as we know it, we all know them as the Illuminati, some say they are the Reptillian Aliens, some say they are the Lizard people from outer space, some say they are just a family that has a long line of history in power. From the 'messengers' whom are chosen to have contact with some of the more freindly aliens, ie: Pleaidian, one of many different species, we have recieved messages of what path we need to take. It is loud and clear to me that we as humans must grow up, and fast. That we must search for Spiritual Awakening and steer clear of the componants in life that spell corruption and distruction, ie: capitalism, consumerism, self serving, false power etc. That we must join together and help each other along the way to higher being.

Thats what my main interest is. The facts and figures of what is going on in the world is good to know about. But when you are a small fish in a big lake, what is there to do except look in your own back yard. Some of us are chosen and or driven to take on the big battles, but when your just a scared little wierd guy, what you can do to help? Clean your own back yard up.

I love hearing others experiences and journey's towards higher being. It helps me, and the villiage that I live in, I'm always banging on about the spiritual plight of us all. Anyway, I'm raving now. Long story short, I agree with you 777.
chur
love and light

[the festival spirit]

Where do I begin? I guess I'll just start with questioning; why do people intend on telling you what to think and what is true and what is false. Now I'm not calling everyone out and maybe I've just had experiences with people on this forum who are just full of hatred, anger, confusion and bigotry, but everytime I speak about things that I believe, suddenly, I'm attacked. Am I the only one who feels this way??

I'm just curious to figure out what makes everyone experts. Just because books are read and articles are studied and information is copied and pasted does not mean that you know what you're talking about. What happened to the good old days when people actually used their own brains and their own thoughts to have conversation instead of using their 'robotic' programmed minds?

Perhaps it's just me, but this forum is getting old quick with all the same recycled posts, time and time again. It's a real shame too, because this forum could actually be used for it's true purpose instead of being used as a 'venting' tool for angry, confused and hateful people. That's what I think anyways......

Superb post

maybe I've just had experiences with people on this forum who are just full of hatred, anger, confusion and bigotry, but everytime I speak about things that I believe, suddenly, I'm attacked. Am I the only one who feels this way??


NOPE

research and practice makes everyone experts when you meet a real expert you will know it

:)

[the festival spirit]

Maybe as David says, you only attract people similar to the vibration/frequency you are giving off............

I for one can say I have met some amazing lovely people here:), that's what I wanted, I do not like confrontation.

Maybe we do attract things BUT not always, some peopl IMPOSE themselves ON YOU, I could name a few but wont, I bet some people have names spring to mind though.

[the festival spirit]

Yes....the ever present soap box mentality, it is getting rather tiresome and childish, I always assumed this was a place where openend minded persons could have an open discussion without the thought police at every turn, though it still is a great forum full of many wonderful people....what can we do hey?

I say let it be and we shall see, and never let anyone take your energy....... :)

Don't let it get ya down mate, you stick to what you feel is right....follow your heart and don't let anyone tell you different.......

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.


Here here

or hear hear

or as edit put it once

hearhere ;)

[celtic isis]

Superb post




:)

haha me too!

only yesterday i was called a freemason apologist lol and asked what my agenda is seeing as i claim to be on "david's side" LOL HEEEEEEEEELLLOOOOOOOOOO!


:D and accused to trying to get a thread pushed into the rant room when all i was doing answering some condescending questions and sticking up for what i believe in, trying to keep the balance...there seems to be some pretty paranoid people on here.

lol i have 5 icke books ok lol i've no agenda! And i have a right to be here! :D

good luck james!

[john white]

why do people intend on telling you what to think and what is true and what is false

What interesting questions to ponder!

Have you gained any personal insight James?

I am sure that the clues to awareness are there

[ngawaka19]

[
research and practice makes everyone experts when you meet a real expert you will know it

What is an expert?

From who's perspective?

Would you agree, to be an educated man is to be a fool?

Would you agree, we are all one?

Genuinely interested to hear your opinion.

[lightbeing]

Maybe we do attract things BUT not always, some peopl IMPOSE themselves ON YOU, I could name a few but wont, I bet some people have names spring to mind though.

Are you talking about me or just generally?:confused:

[the festival spirit]

haha me too!

only yesterday i was called a freemason apologist lol and asked what my agenda is seeing as i claim to be on "david's side" LOL HEEEEEEEEELLLOOOOOOOOOO!


:D and accused to trying to get a thread pushed into the rant room when all i was doing answering some condescending questions and sticking up for what i believe in, trying to keep the balance...there seems to be some pretty paranoid people on here.

lol i have 5 icke books ok lol i've no agenda! And i have a right to be here! :D

good luck james!

LOL you should really start a thread called (politically corrct version for the muppets)

I have no flippin agenda, now go away BIGOTS.


but I do not dictate, you can call it what you want to ;)

s

[the festival spirit]

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What is an expert?

From who's perspective?

Would you agree, to be an educated man is to be a fool?

Would you agree, we are all one?

Genuinely interested to hear your opinion.

Shit, you dont make it easy do you, ok, hold on, come back, I have things to do, like make food, and kids to help.

Seriously come back later and I will think about it

[the festival spirit]

Are you talking about me or just generally?:confused:

LOL lightbeing I have only seen respect in the posts of yours I have read mate, but I admit, I havent read them all, I was talking about those that do impose their views on people, you were referring to them? were you not?

;)

seriously light being, I would never say that about anyone that did not 'deserve' it but who am I to judge, we all have our own opinions, some I like some I dont. Bigots and bullies I dislike with a vengeance sometimes.

[ngawaka19]

Maybe we do attract things BUT not always, some peopl IMPOSE themselves ON YOU, I could name a few but wont, I bet some people have names spring to mind though.


I'm not sure what your mind gap is here, but it's kinda got me interested?

the imposing party's are probably just passionate about the topic.....? Or, like myself, still trying to find their feet around the forum, and blowing it at the best of times, and feeling foolish therein. Can they/we be forgiven?


I forgot to say james777,
I kinda thought that we would all just take each other with a grain of salt, especially considering this form of communication. The tone of this forum changes often, I'd like to think we're all a forgiving lot. Much the same as what D I would promote, (to my understanding). I have really been enjoying my time in this forum, even some of the more dominant personality's are enjoyable. I've learnt alot and am grateful for the generocity of some here. It's given me hope that there are alot more people on this path than I thought. I hope you can feel the same.

theres an old proverb in my culture

'waka toa'

means; takes more than one person to carry the boat up the beach

[ngawaka19]

lightbeing, got caught up on another thread, to answer your question, I guess I'd like to hear festive's thoughts, which if I can wangle this jandle I will read in just a sec.......

[ngawaka19]

all good festive, will check this thread out later on, yep I got the kids, dinner, cat, dog thing to do. and visitors.......always when your not ready

[the festival spirit]

I'm not sure what your mind gap is here, but it's kinda got me interested?

the imposing party's are probably just passionate about the topic.....? Or, like myself, still trying to find their feet around the forum, and blowing it at the best of times, and feeling foolish therein. Can they/we be forgiven?


I forgot to say james777,
I kinda thought that we would all just take each other with a grain of salt, especially considering this form of communication. The tone of this forum changes often, I'd like to think we're all a forgiving lot. Much the same as what D I would promote, (to my understanding). I have really been enjoying my time in this forum, even some of the more dominant personality's are enjoyable. I've learnt alot and am grateful for the generocity of some here. It's given me hope that there are alot more people on this path than I thought. I hope you can feel the same.

theres an old proverb in my culture

'waka toa'

means; takes more than one person to carry the boat up the beach

This is much easier than your earlier post,

I'm not sure what you mean by "your mind gap" could you embellish?

I love the "waka toa" proverb, I would like to ask what is the proverb, or words for "some people are not capable of carrying boats"? in your culture?
just a question mind, its not important. but I would like an answer without any other prompt from me, perhaps it will be a measure of how many grains of salt you take with others' words.

;) <--- I use that 'smiley' to say 'wink,' as in I am just kidding.


I have also enjoyed sharing knowledge on this forum, I could point to threads where no knowledge is allowed, but I wont unless you pm me ;)

This forum is XLNT in MHO but like the first and original posts 'suggests' it is the minority (albeit increasingly) that spoil it for those of us who just want to learn.

I promise I will answer your other post, the difficulty I am having is 'not offending those that have not learned the art of not being offended.' :)


JW makes an XLNT point or two here


What interesting questions to ponder!

Have you gained any personal insight James?

[the festival spirit]

OK I will take you at your word ngawaka

I will imagine you mean what you say is that ok?



What is an expert?

According to the dictionary ( http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/expert?view=uk )

expert

• noun, a person who is very knowledgeable about or skilful in a particular area.

• adjective, having or involving such knowledge or skill.

— DERIVATIVES expertly adverb expertness noun.

— ORIGIN Latin expertus, from experiri ‘try’.
.................................................. .................................................. ..............


I could find others but if that doesnt suffice please let me know,



From who's perspective?

well do I need to answer that, ok, from the dictionaries perspective, what? do you not like it?
sorry I am putting 'imagined words' in your mouth there, we wouldnt want to do that ;)

Plenty of others on this site will do that though,

an honest opinion from you though ngawaka,

would you have just left it if I hadnt explained and taken me putting words in your 'supposed
mouth with a grain of salt?

a second opinion if we may, how about if I threw a few insults into it?


Would you agree, to be an educated man is to be a fool?

Would you agree that a man who doesnt educate himself is a fool?

OK I dont like answering questions with questions, but I do enjoy it.

But in answer, no I do not agree with your statement, it is a bit too 'blinkered' for me. IT does
not take into account infinte possibilities, which is prejudice, and the act of prejudice is ?


Would you agree, we are all one?

pretty much and I would never impose my will on anyone, unlike some bigots here,
(most of them) dont even know what that means.

I would never stop any other person from educating themselves would you ?

Just because we are all one doesnt mean we are all educated equally, how many
millions do not come on this site?


Genuinely interested to hear your opinion.

Thank you, I appreciate that, and I have the utmost respect for anybody asking good
questions and actually wanting good answers, SO I have the utmost respect for you
ngawaka.

If you think I am not serious please read it again, If you think I am tongue in cheek, maybe
I am a little, but I mean my answers and questions respectfully only, this is nothing to do with
the original thread and I dont want to hog it.

Respectfully,
shaun

PS you have many qualities I admire you say what you mean (sometimes) and you mean what
you say and also you do what you think is right, and that is worth far more than the people
james is talking about. Those people do what they think is right, or what they are told to do by
others.. is that our problem, no, people should be left alone without discrimination for their beliefs?

or wants to be educated in the way they choose.

yes?

Its been a pleasure as it always is with a fellow scholar

scholar

• noun

1 a specialist in a particular branch of study, especially the humanities; a distinguished
academic.

2 chiefly archaic a person who is highly educated or has an aptitude for study.

3 a university student holding a scholarship.

— ORIGIN Latin scholaris, from Greek skhole (see SCHOOL).

( http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/scholar?view=uk )

;)

[i_am]

Would you agree, to be an educated man is to be a fool?

Bob Marley agreed :D :p

We don't have education; we have inspiration. If I was educated, I would be a damn fool.

[james777]

Wow! I'm not feeling so alone on this forum anymore. I was honestly to the point of saying "fuck it". Don't get me wrong, I LOVE a good debate and I love making people look stupid for their maliciousness, but when it becomes the main focus and nothing is being learned and ideas are being pushed behind the arguments, it just leaves a bitter taste. However, it looks like I've found a handful of us that are here with real intention and real purpose.

JOHN WHITE To answer your question about gaining insight....I would say, 'yes', I am gaining insight, but it's not 'insight' about the things that I'm interested in gaining insight about. Know what I mean?? I think the main reason people try to tell you what to think and tell you what is true and what is false is because they themselves are most unsure about their own beliefs. So in pressuring you to accept their belief system allows them to feel better about having their beliefs. Then you also have those who are genuinely concerned in what you 'believe', but those are the ones who aren't so bold and so pushy and don't try to IMPOSE on you.......

Does truth seek honesty or does honesty seek truth?? Or maybe seeking is honesty and truth? What is truth in a society like we have today where everyone claims it? Does truth actually exist or are we chasing the wind here?

[mk72]

Wow! I'm not feeling so alone on this forum anymore. I was honestly to the point of saying "fuck it". Don't get me wrong, I LOVE a good debate and I love making people look stupid for their maliciousness, but when it becomes the main focus and nothing is being learned and ideas are being pushed behind the arguments, it just leaves a bitter taste. However, it looks like I've found a handful of us that are here with real intention and real purpose.

JOHN WHITE To answer your question about gaining insight....I would say, 'yes', I am gaining insight, but it's not 'insight' about the things that I'm interested in gaining insight about. Know what I mean?? I think the main reason people try to tell you what to think and tell you what is true and what is false is because they themselves are most unsure about their own beliefs. So in pressuring you to accept their belief system allows them to feel better about having their beliefs. Then you also have those who are genuinely concerned in what you 'believe', but those are the ones who aren't so bold and so pushy and don't try to IMPOSE on you.......

Does truth seek honesty or does honesty seek truth?? Or maybe seeking is honesty and truth? What is truth in a society like we have today where everyone claims it? Does truth actually exist or are we chasing the wind here?

Oh believe me you're not alone. I have seen people's ideas and opinions shot down so much on this forum - and some people will actually analyse you on your "spiritual development". I wanted to start a thread on a topic I'm digging in at the moment to get more info because there are a lot of people with very good ideas and knowledge on this forum, but then I thought fuck it, don't have the time to defend myself, would rather look for the answer on my own.

[cheeb]

Good on you ,James
You're not alone on this forum'
(or anywhere else )
Sure , you'll probably end up having arguments with people,
But you will also find many people you feel empathy towards.

And I am sure in the long run, people will stop judging you for your beleifs
and accept you for the kind human being that you are.

Good luck.
It's a wonderful journey,
tough at times,
but worth every second

To nick someone elses catchphrase, just this once

Have fun in your spacesuit

(great advice)

[john white]

Wow! I'm not feeling so alone on this forum anymore. I was honestly to the point of saying "fuck it". Don't get me wrong, I LOVE a good debate and I love making people look stupid for their maliciousness, but when it becomes the main focus and nothing is being learned and ideas are being pushed behind the arguments, it just leaves a bitter taste. However, it looks like I've found a handful of us that are here with real intention and real purpose.

JOHN WHITE To answer your question about gaining insight....I would say, 'yes', I am gaining insight, but it's not 'insight' about the things that I'm interested in gaining insight about. Know what I mean?? I think the main reason people try to tell you what to think and tell you what is true and what is false is because they themselves are most unsure about their own beliefs. So in pressuring you to accept their belief system allows them to feel better about having their beliefs. Then you also have those who are genuinely concerned in what you 'believe', but those are the ones who aren't so bold and so pushy and don't try to IMPOSE on you.......

Does truth seek honesty or does honesty seek truth?? Or maybe seeking is honesty and truth? What is truth in a society like we have today where everyone claims it? Does truth actually exist or are we chasing the wind here?

Well I've been known to engage in a fair amount of "Internet Wudan" myself James so I certainly identify with your love of debate. I've become a lot less inclined to that style of posting over time though, as I came to find it creates as many difficulties as it solves. I only tend to get involved in "heavy debating" when campaigning on extremely five sense level subjects (9/11 Truth for example): facts are facts, especially when dealing with such real world questions as crash physics

But motivations...why people do things... these are far more ephemeral issues, where truth is found in the eye of the beholder, and that truth is relative and given to adaptation. Neither is the truth gained always relevant to what we might think we are looking for: as you yourself mention in your post James

FWIW, my answer would probably start with concepts like reflection. We tend to act/react most favourably to that which most vibes with our own image of ourselves, and least favourably to that which is most discordant to that same self-image. On the surface, this appears to be reaction against ideas we are opposed to: but it is more subtle: we also react subconsciously against that which most reminds us of aspects of ourselves we do not like or wish to confront, acknowledge or be aware of. This may be rationalised as straightforward opposition by the conscious mind, but beneath the surface a very different story is being told: and this is the basis of classic opposame behaviour

We see this in the faux opposition of apparent opposites: an extreme example, Nazism vs Communism, presented as opposite poles when they are simply the same behaviour in a different dress: and I observe this pattern on forums all the time, and of course in human nature: we react strongest against what is most like the shadow side of ourselves. This can even be understood as a way of projecting onto others our own inner struggle to reconcile our egoic natures. There are some prominent examples here: Baron Von Lotsov is a great example: something very endearing about the rigidly mind controlled warning about mind control whilst advocating mind control. One tends to laugh!

I wonder if, with yourself, concern about being imposed upon and being unable to express yourself, is creating a tendency to perceive being imposed upon and unable to express yourself, counter balanced by an awareness that you can express yourself and have a choice as to whether to feel imposed upon... leading to a dynamic between the POV’s as they compete for dominance within you

Because one thing I have learned is that as long as I can post, I am free to post whatever I care to, and no-one can actually impose upon that unless I myself allow them to by being in any way threatened by anybody else’s point of view... which is why, for me, (effectively) it never happens, and I post with confidence in the resonnance of my own voice

[the festival spirit]

I'm not sure what your mind gap is here, but it's kinda got me interested?

the imposing party's are probably just passionate about the topic.....? Or, like myself, still trying to find their feet around the forum, and blowing it at the best of times, and feeling foolish therein. Can they/we be forgiven?


I would like to know what you mean by mind gap ngawaka? Is it a term from your culture as it is not one I have heard before?

I completely agree that the imposing parties are passionate about the topic that they insist on following, I just think that to do that on a thread about something completely different is known as hijacking.

Imagine ........ people having a lovely boat, on a beach and they are just about to set sail to (probably) gather fish for a feast or celebration, perhaps for a festival, and then passionate carpenters come along, just before the launch, and chisel many holes in the bottom of the boat, rendering it useless for the time being,

a question, if you had spent two years or so building that boat, and the all important feast was impossible, would you immediately forgive the 'chiselers' ?

We can forgive them, and that is only right, (some people do not think they require forgiveness because their passion is (exactly that) their passion.)

should the 'chiselers' help rebuild the boat?

perhaps that will increase their understanding of the time spent and passion invested in the making of the boat. Or would encouraging them to understand be seen as a punishment? and therefore discrimination against the chiselers passion.

Or, like myself, still trying to find their feet around the forum, and blowing it at the best of times, and feeling foolish therein. Can they/we be forgiven?


A good point ngawaka, But I honestly believe, (correct me if I am wrong please,) that james is not referring to those trying to find their feet on the forum, and I am almost sure that not one of the bigots on this forum feel foolish, (they are either self appointed or supported)

I would say the self appointed guard dog on behalf of all others on this forum, (many of whom are too 'fearful' to engage with him or her or anyone connected, including the so called victim (LMAO)) that attacked me personally as well as a considerable number of others, thinks he is the 'perfect one who cannot be faulted in anyway whatsoever.' If james has been a victim of this pirate, I am not surprised he thought on the lines of feeling alone.

Just a few more thoughts and questions, I am genuinely interested in your opinions.


Wow! I'm not feeling so alone on this forum anymore. I was honestly to the point of saying "fuck it". Don't get me wrong, I LOVE a good debate and I love making people look stupid for their maliciousness, but when it becomes the main focus and nothing is being learned and ideas are being pushed behind the arguments, it just leaves a bitter taste. However, it looks like I've found a handful of us that are here with real intention and real purpose.

JOHN WHITE To answer your question about gaining insight....I would say, 'yes', I am gaining insight, but it's not 'insight' about the things that I'm interested in gaining insight about. Know what I mean?? I think the main reason people try to tell you what to think and tell you what is true and what is false is because they themselves are most unsure about their own beliefs. So in pressuring you to accept their belief system allows them to feel better about having their beliefs. Then you also have those who are genuinely concerned in what you 'believe', but those are the ones who aren't so bold and so pushy and don't try to IMPOSE on you.......

Does truth seek honesty or does honesty seek truth?? Or maybe seeking is honesty and truth? What is truth in a society like we have today where everyone claims it? Does truth actually exist or are we chasing the wind here?


Another excellent post james, some excellent questions too, I think I may step aside and stop imposing my opinions on the thread though


Oh believe me you're not alone. I have seen people's ideas and opinions shot down so much on this forum - and some people will actually analyse you on your "spiritual development". I wanted to start a thread on a topic I'm digging in at the moment to get more info because there are a lot of people with very good ideas and knowledge on this forum, but then I thought fuck it, don't have the time to defend myself, would rather look for the answer on my own.

Another good post, I would like to ask though, what is the topic you are digging in at the moment, If I said you should start the thread anyway and see how it goes, I could be considered a hypocrite, having left a subject I am digging in well alone since feeling alone along with a considerable number of other members ;)

regards everyone.

[tinmenace]

Where do I begin? I guess I'll just start with questioning; why do people intend on telling you what to think and what is true and what is false. Now I'm not calling everyone out and maybe I've just had experiences with people on this forum who are just full of hatred, anger, confusion and bigotry, but everytime I speak about things that I believe, suddenly, I'm attacked. Am I the only one who feels this way??

I'm just curious to figure out what makes everyone experts. Just because books are read and articles are studied and information is copied and pasted does not mean that you know what you're talking about. What happened to the good old days when people actually used their own brains and their own thoughts to have conversation instead of using their 'robotic' programmed minds?

Perhaps it's just me, but this forum is getting old quick with all the same recycled posts, time and time again. It's a real shame too, because this forum could actually be used for it's true purpose instead of being used as a 'venting' tool for angry, confused and hateful people. That's what I think anyways......

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_226.gif



haha me too!

...only yesterday i was called a freemason apologist ...




...And you admit to it, so ho hum...:rolleyes:




I'm a fiesty apple! :D not bitter, though i have a slight temper...particulary when defending freemasons lol





http://www.globalfailure.com/images/emotes/3D_emoticon_184.gif

[james777]

Another excellent post james, some excellent questions too, I think I may step aside and stop imposing my opinions on the thread though





regards everyone.

I like the response we're getting on this thread for the most part. I think together we can discuss and help each other understand along the way what we are truly seeking. I would hate for you to stop giving your opinions on this thread. Your style of dialouge is highly acceptable.

[james777]

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Sleep well, but don't miss the alarm clock.

[james777]

Well I've been known to engage in a fair amount of "Internet Wudan" myself James so I certainly identify with your love of debate. I've become a lot less inclined to that style of posting over time though, as I came to find it creates as many difficulties as it solves. I only tend to get involved in "heavy debating" when campaigning on extremely five sense level subjects (9/11 Truth for example): facts are facts, especially when dealing with such real world questions as crash physics

But motivations...why people do things... these are far more ephemeral issues, where truth is found in the eye of the beholder, and that truth is relative and given to adaptation. Neither is the truth gained always relevant to what we might think we are looking for: as you yourself mention in your post James

FWIW, my answer would probably start with concepts like reflection. We tend to act/react most favourably to that which most vibes with our own image of ourselves, and least favourably to that which is most discordant to that same self-image. On the surface, this appears to be reaction against ideas we are opposed to: but it is more subtle: we also react subconsciously against that which most reminds us of aspects of ourselves we do not like or wish to confront, acknowledge or be aware of. This may be rationalised as straightforward opposition by the conscious mind, but beneath the surface a very different story is being told: and this is the basis of classic opposame behaviour

We see this in the faux opposition of apparent opposites: an extreme example, Nazism vs Communism, presented as opposite poles when they are simply the same behaviour in a different dress: and I observe this pattern on forums all the time, and of course in human nature: we react strongest against what is most like the shadow side of ourselves. This can even be understood as a way of projecting onto others our own inner struggle to reconcile our egoic natures. There are some prominent examples here: Baron Von Lotsov is a great example: something very endearing about the rigidly mind controlled warning about mind control whilst advocating mind control. One tends to laugh!

I wonder if, with yourself, concern about being imposed upon and being unable to express yourself, is creating a tendency to perceive being imposed upon and unable to express yourself, counter balanced by an awareness that you can express yourself and have a choice as to whether to feel imposed upon... leading to a dynamic between the POV’s as they compete for dominance within you

Because one thing I have learned is that as long as I can post, I am free to post whatever I care to, and no-one can actually impose upon that unless I myself allow them to by being in any way threatened by anybody else’s point of view... which is why, for me, (effectively) it never happens, and I post with confidence in the resonnance of my own voice

You my friend boil with cavernous wisdom, knowledge and insight. I applaud.

[celtic isis]

LOL you should really start a thread called (politically corrct version for the muppets)

I have no flippin agenda, now go away BIGOTS.


but I do not dictate, you can call it what you want to ;)

s

hehehe :D

[celtic isis]

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...And you admit to it, so ho hum...:rolleyes:






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what are you on about now tinmenace, i did not admit to being a free masons apologist :D

it's a joke :D LOL

[tru3]

What interesting questions to ponder!

Have you gained any personal insight James?

I am sure that the clues to awareness are there

seriously. i would suggest going back and reading some of your early posts with new eyes, james.

honestly, you did kind of come in here with guns blazing.

not a condemnation, just an observation. :)

[james777]

seriously. i would suggest going back and reading some of your early posts with new eyes, james.

honestly, you did kind of come in here with guns blazing.

not a condemnation, just an observation. :)

I'm just a 'guns blazing' type of guy......I have no apologies

[tru3]

I'm just a 'guns blazing' type of guy......I have no apologies

none needed. :)

Now I'm not calling everyone out and maybe I've just had experiences with people on this forum who are just full of hatred, anger, confusion and bigotry, but everytime I speak about things that I believe, suddenly, I'm attacked.

so, you basically like the drama that you're speaking of? great. go for it. if you believe you need to defend, you will be attacked. it really isn't a mystery.

i don't agree with everyone here, not everyone agrees with me, but i don't feel attacked. never have in over 1100 posts.

i'm not saying i don't get irritated at one or two babies banging on the same pots day in and day out, but i choose to handle it by stepping back from the table and looking for perspective, rather than going back in guns blazing.

it really is a choice, james. the kingdom is within you. :)

[james777]

none needed. :)



so, you basically like the drama that you're speaking of? great. go for it. if you believe you need to defend, you will be attacked. it really isn't a mystery.

i don't agree with everyone here, not everyone agrees with me, but i don't feel attacked. never have in over 1100 posts.

i'm not saying i don't get irritated at one or two babies banging on the same pots day in and day out, but i choose to handle it by stepping back from the table and looking for perspective, rather than going back in guns blazing.

it really is a choice, james. the kingdom is within you. :)

True, true, you may be onto something here. It's not the 'drama' that attracts me, it's the way I can seemlessly over come every objection with ease, consistency and perciseness. Perhaps I'm looking for questions, theories, objections...ect....that I don't have answers for and I feel that aggressive conversation brings out the fundemental passion in everyone. I don't mind being 'attacked', I just wondered if I am the only one who gets it.

[ngawaka19]

I'm not sure what you mean by "your mind gap" could you embellish?

I love the "waka toa" proverb, I would like to ask what is the proverb, or words for "some people are not capable of carrying boats"? in your culture?
just a question mind, its not important. but I would like an answer without any other prompt from me, perhaps it will be a measure of how many grains of salt you take with others' words.

Hi festive, sorry taken me a while to get back, im always sprinting around tryna do 10,000 things. Your first question, 'mind gap' is my slang for 'your thoughts'.
2nd, in my culture our old language was spoken with alot of metophorics, and we have a lot of nga whakatauki (proverbs). The only example I can give you is, its like, "pot calling the kettle black" or "6 of 1 half dozen of the other", do you catch my drift? Hope so.
waka toa has a few meanings, 1, you must not think that you are able to carry a boat on your own. In other words, are you a team player? Or community minded. (and just a note, the waka of the Maori could carry 100 to 100 people, so this proverb doesn't refer to a dingy) 2nd meaning, you will never be alone or don't be alone come join in. 3rd to my knowledge, you won't get anywhere if you think singular especially when there is a group behind you and you take credit for the work done by this group. So really its speaks of humility. Hope that helps.

I haven't had time to read the rest of this thread or answer the rest of the posts addressed to me etc and I gotta go do the kid dinner thing again, but as arnold said
ill be back

love and light

[ngawaka19]

festive haven't had time to spell check so excuse my lack.

I know I'll never live it down, am waiting for the on going jokes. wink wink

[ngawaka19]

I completely agree that the imposing parties are passionate about the topic that they insist on following, I just think that to do that on a thread about something completely different is known as hijacking.

Imagine ........ people having a lovely boat, on a beach and they are just about to set sail to (probably) gather fish for a feast or celebration, perhaps for a festival, and then passionate carpenters come along, just before the launch, and chisel many holes in the bottom of the boat, rendering it useless for the time being,

a question, if you had spent two years or so building that boat, and the all important feast was impossible, would you immediately forgive the 'chiselers' ?

We can forgive them, and that is only right, (some people do not think they require forgiveness because their passion is (exactly that) their passion.)

should the 'chiselers' help rebuild the boat?

perhaps that will increase their understanding of the time spent and passion invested in the making of the boat. Or would encouraging them to understand be seen as a punishment? and therefore discrimination against the chiselers passion.



You crack me up festive, I like it. And yes the chiselers should rebuild the boat, but if they don't doesn't matter, its their loss, and I will still forgive them. The reason for this, some where at sometime they will just have to go thru the lesson of curbing the drive inside themselves to chisel holes in a boat just cause its on the beach. The danger in this is if they didn't learn the lesson from the first boat, the next boat they choose may belong to someone no where near as forgiving as me.

i've enjoyed keep it rockin festive
chur

[tru3]

True, true, you may be onto something here. It's not the 'drama' that attracts me, it's the way I can seemlessly over come every objection with ease, consistency and perciseness. Perhaps I'm looking for questions, theories, objections...ect....that I don't have answers for and I feel that aggressive conversation brings out the fundemental passion in everyone. I don't mind being 'attacked', I just wondered if I am the only one who gets it.

ah, misunderstood youth! i understand.

at my age, i look to build consensus, unity in diversity, that sort of thing.

but that's just me. :)

[umbrex]

Where do I begin? I guess I'll just start with questioning; why do people intend on telling you what to think and what is true and what is false.

Attacking yourself now eh ?

I'm just curious to figure out what makes everyone experts. Just because books are read and articles are studied and information is copied and pasted does not mean that you know what you're talking about. What happened to the good old days when people actually used their own brains and their own thoughts to have conversation instead of using their 'robotic' programmed minds?

Would i say that religion would be one of those programes, and how the hell can u of all claim yourself as a free thinker ?


It's a real shame too, because this forum could actually be used for it's true purpose instead of being used as a 'venting' tool for angry, confused and hateful people.

And add people trying to impose their religion and beliefs tied to that and it's pretty much there.

[the festival spirit]

You my friend boil with cavernous wisdom, knowledge and insight.
I applaud.

Well said, (insert a little more applause fom moi, excuse the french ;) )


I like the response we're getting on this thread for the most part.
I think together we can discuss and help each other understand along the way what we
are truly seeking. I would hate for you to stop giving your opinions on this thread. Your
style of dialouge is highly acceptable.

How could I not respond?

I have to accept the compliment offered and it pleased me, (I know that not many
people find my dialogue acceptable, and some would be firing ego bullets at me
cos of that, pleased me, comment, If they read my post.) I do have a lot of trouble
using the site, and if anyone else does I think you should all make threads saying so,
weird editing problems, uncharacteristic spelling mistakes, or anything weird at all that
happens while having these pages open. logging in problems, no reminders coming for
days and then lots all at once, too many things to mention. So if it wasnt for comments
like yours above james, ....... I would probably be avoiding the site. And some of the
bigots on it, that actually seem to get support from people that I would think would
be against that sort of thing, but dont believe everything you see, illusion is abound.

Seems I cant stop informing, hence my book writing. James you are coming across as
a good man. I appreciate your comments, Thank you. And just for you and a couple
of others on this thread, i shall return and answer anything addressed to me, but not
without difficulty, each time I leave this page and go back, to try to quote people, I
only get the thanks for logging in page !!! ??? mods

To re-enforce,

I like the response we're getting on this thread for the most part.
I think together we can discuss and help each other understand along the way what we
are truly seeking. Not that I enforce anything.

none needed. :)

so, you basically like the drama that you're speaking of? great. go for it. if you believe
you need to defend, you will be attacked. it really isn't a mystery.

i don't agree with everyone here, not everyone agrees with me, but i don't feel attacked.
never have in over 1100 posts.

i'm not saying i don't get irritated at one or two babies banging on the same pots day in
and day out, but i choose to handle it by stepping back from the table and looking for
perspective, rather than going back in guns blazing.

it really is a choice, james. the kingdom is within you. :)

Some things correct some things way off, But overall a completely personal perception,
which in my opinion and experience, becomes misunderstanding.

Just cos you are not aware of the attacks, doesnt mean they dont exist. Want me to point
out the attacks you lucky fellow? Lucky as in your amazing ability to balance everything in
the face of adversity, a skill thwarted by mods on this forum. If you think I am wrong, You are
wrong. I have the documented evidence to prove it and you dont have any evidence to
prove any personal perceptions to the contrary.

but as I am not normaly ever an attacker, I just wanna say this is not an attack, but it may
be your first 'percieved' attack.

EDIT: to add 'and experience' and uncharacteristic typos

[the festival spirit]

You crack me up festive, I like it. And yes the chiselers should
rebuild the boat, but if they don't doesn't matter, its their loss, and I will still forgive them.
The reason for this, some where at sometime they will just have to go thru the lesson of
curbing the drive inside themselves to chisel holes in a boat just cause its on the beach.
The danger in this is if they didn't learn the lesson from the first boat, the next boat they
choose may belong to someone no where near as forgiving as me.

i've enjoyed keep it rockin festive
chur

What is chur and are you from auckland? please :)

Bloody chiselers lol :D

The reason for this, somewhere at sometime they will just
have to go thru the lesson of curbing the drive inside themselves to chisel holes in a boat
just cause its on the beach.

chur

:D :I need to learn how to curb the drive to inform :D

Hi festive, sorry taken me a while to get back, im always
sprinting around tryna do 10,000 things. Your first question, 'mind gap' is my slang for
'your thoughts'.

No need to apologise to me, I am very understanding :) Unless of course you are a pirate,
and you chisel boats on beaches purposely :) For those interested, three public apologies
mean jack $h!7 when they are not sincere,

I need to learn how to curb the drive to inform ( I HAD TO REMOVE A SMILEY HERE BECAUSE OF THE RIDICULOUS RESTRICTIONS ON THIS WEBSITE

[the festival spirit]

continued cos of the ridiculous restrictions on THIS WEBSITE


2nd, in my culture our old language was spoken with a lot of metophorics, and we have
a lot of nga whakatauki (proverbs). The only example I can give you is, its like, "pot
calling the kettle black" or "6 of 1 half dozen of the other", do you catch my drift?
Hope so.

I am happy to learn of your culture, it is pleasing. I do catch your drift ;) but how well versed are you really at english proverbs?

I havent read all of james posts so I cant be sure if he is guilty of anything, maybe he was the pot, I dunno. I can assure you I believe I am guilty of nothing other than informing of what I know is true and asking questions, so as this thread is all about people firing
misconcieved bullets, I can safely say, there was no pots or half dozens in my own experience.
And all the evidence is there, in legally binding irrefutable evidence provided so nicely by
these webpages.


waka toa has a few meanings, 1, you must not think that you are able to carry a
boat on your own. In other words, are you a team player? Or community minded.
(and just a note, the waka of the Maori could carry 10 to 100 people, so this proverb
doesn't refer to a dingy) 2nd meaning, you will never be alone or don't be alone come
join in. 3rd to my knowledge, you won't get anywhere if you think singular especially when
there is a group behind you and you take credit for the work done by this group. So really
its speaks of humility. Hope that helps.

Fully understood. I thank you. For re-enforcement, particularly to james, (see note above about re-enforcement)


you will never be alone or don't be alone. Hope that helps.



I haven't had time to read the rest of this thread or answer the rest of the posts addressed
to me etc and I gotta go do the kid dinner thing again, but as arnold said
ill be back

love and light

LOL it's not my place to tell you what to do, but be careful of who you quote.
Misconceived bullets still hurt! Unless you know they are just illusion.

[the festival spirit]

Agree with the above but I see it as a good indicator of who the debunkers are. Maybe there's a better word for them but they are here there is no doubt.

Superb avatar picture you are using for this time being :)

Where did ya get that ?

EDIT: I think Pirate is a good word for a debunker or thread hijacker.

[tru3]

Some things correct some things way off, But overall a completely personal perception, which in my opinion and experience, becomes misunderstanding.

how so?

Just cos you are not aware of the attacks, doesnt mean they dont exist. Want me to point out the attacks you lucky fellow?

not really.

Lucky as in your amazing ability to balance everything in the face of adversity, a skill thwarted by mods on this forum. If you think I am wrong, You are wrong. I have the documented evidence to prove it and you dont have any evidence to prove any personal perceptions to the contrary. but as I am not normaly ever an attacker, I just wanna say this is not an attack, but it may be your first 'percieved' attack.

my intention is to find balance. what you think of me is none of my business. :)

at any rate, my comments were intended for james777. thanks for sharing.

[the festival spirit]

how so?


Was that a three way how so? Can you be more direct, and say what you mean please?


not really.


Why cos you would rather ignore them?


my intention is to find balance. what you think of me is none of my business. :)
I know, sorry, ;) I will refrain from sticking my nose into your personal and private comments in this public forum ;) by the way not sure if it was my opinion of you, or my opinion of your comments. OK I admit I did offer comments on your perceptions, I doubt if you would wanna debate that though, if you do I would welcome it but I suspect sean is gonna ban me soon ;) Start a thread about your debate if you would like, post a link in a quote of this on this thread mate ;)


at any rate, my comments were intended for james777. thanks for sharing.

See above. Cheers

I love a good type. tru, I have no ill will towards you, I just felt that roundabout support of bigotry needed addressing.

EDIT: just so I could quote it so I can reply properly to tru, true

[tru3]

Was that a three way how so? Can you be more direct, and say what you mean please?

you said, "overall a completely personal perception, which in my opinion and experience, becomes misunderstanding."

i'm asking you how it becomes misunderstanding, in your experience and opinion.

by the way not sure if it was my opinion of you, or my opinion of your comments.

fair enough, either way.

OK I admit I did offer comments on your perceptions, I doubt if you would wanna debate that though, if you do I would welcome it but I suspect sean is gonna ban me soon Start a thread about your debate if you would like, post a link in a quote of this on this thread mate

what exactly is it that we are supposed to be debating?

I love a good type. tru, I have no ill will towards you,

none here either.

I just felt that roundabout support of bigotry needed addressing.

i probably missed something along the way. i'm not sure i follow...

[cheeb]

You have to take The Festival Spirit,
For who he is,
A marvellous human being,
His posts are excellent,

Better than alarm clock,

They will get you out of bed in the morning
Just too see his words of wisdom

enjoy him for who he is'
if there were more like him

the world would be a better place,

C,Mon festival spirit,
get your motor running
and start firing on all 4 cylinders again,

Dont hold your self back
POE

pttp

[the jock rock]

Hi ,everyone.
Eventually there comes a super poster.One , not of this World.
So, to whom do i refer?

A great spirit-The Festival Spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fans such as i and obviously the wise and wonderful cheeb are lifted high!
Until Festival Spirit came we were in darkness.Now there is light on all.
Consciousness awakens because of him.I awaken because of him.
Knowledge has been given me about Who or what he is.I follow him daily!
In my heart i know him. in my heart i follow him.Life has taken on meaning.
Now, i ask him if i may join him on his travels as a helper-an assistant?
Going where he goes would be magnificent!

Today i sit at my computation machine and await knowledge how to live.
I shall learn how to get electric power from my local pavements ect.
Mankind shall become wise with him if we listen to him. i listen to him.Do you?
Elven magic is his.Dwarfish wisdom is his. Never leave us o Wizard of Time!
Let us share your burdens and ease your ways O Festival one.Tarry awhile.
On early mornings i arise to my alarm of need of knowledge to be instructed.
Reading joyous posts have helped with my life and search for free electric!
Divulge more wisdom Festival Spirit>Divulge!:p

[the festival spirit]

You have to take The Festival Spirit,
For who he is,
A marvellous human being,
His posts are excellent,

Better than alarm clock,

They will get you out of bed in the morning
Just too see his words of wisdom

enjoy him for who he is'
if there were more like him

the world would be a better place,

C,Mon festival spirit,
get your motor running
and start firing on all 4 cylinders again,

Dont hold your self back
POE

pttp

Hi ,everyone.
Eventually there comes a super poster.One , not of this World.
So, to whom do i refer?

A great spirit-The Festival Spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fans such as i and obviously the wise and wonderful cheeb are lifted high!
Until Festival Spirit came we were in darkness.Now there is light on all.
Consciousness awakens because of him.I awaken because of him.
Knowledge has been given me about Who or what he is.I follow him daily!
In my heart i know him. in my heart i follow him.Life has taken on meaning.
Now, i ask him if i may join him on his travels as a helper-an assistant?
Going where he goes would be magnificent!

Today i sit at my computation machine and await knowledge how to live.
I shall learn how to get electric power from my local pavements ect.
Mankind shall become wise with him if we listen to him. i listen to him.Do you?
Elven magic is his.Dwarfish wisdom is his. Never leave us o Wizard of Time!
Let us share your burdens and ease your ways O Festival one.Tarry awhile.
On early mornings i arise to my alarm of need of knowledge to be instructed.
Reading joyous posts have helped with my life and search for free electric!
Divulge more wisdom Festival Spirit>Divulge!:p

ok for now, just ......

lol

looks like I will have to restart the 'a bloke came into my life thread up soon'

thanks for the compliments guys and gals I dunno who is male and female on the interwebby thing these days lol.

did you know that you can turn your pc into a wireless connection ..... and get free internet

EDIT: best not to be seen following anything, (sheep and all that)