Hiv the truth!!!!

[gm mutant]

Please could you read all the information very carefully and pass on all the information to a genetesist and virologist. It is very important they read all the links as they are all quite self explanitory to a good doctor, who cannot disagree... This is scientific living proof, not conspirocy theories, and I've been fighting for a long time to get my voice heard..Someone must listen.

Well, here it is.. I've finally got scientific proof that the people are playing with our genetics. They have played with my body. I have 2 diseases I shouldn't have together.. They are a genetic impossibility. I am HLA B27 antibody positive and HIV+, formally HTLV III/LAV positive. I have learnt through scientific reading (not consprirocy theories), plus family history, that HIV has been around alot longer than we thought, and at its simplist is a cancer.. A leukaemia!! And guess what? I was born with it a long time before HIV/AIDS was about. It depletes white cells (CD4) cells. Which makes it a leukaemia).
At its most basic level (cellular) It also mutates our genes.. A Tumor suppressor gene to start with, called gene P53 located in humans on chromosone 17. This is common knowledge if you read any books or on the net about Cancers. This means that this phoney 'virus' mutates our bodies, permenently!! It is not the 'virus' that mutates!! Thus it is passed vertically down the bloodline. This has enabled me to find out that down to a molecular level That HIV/HTLV lll as it used to be called is in actual fact a Cancer. (Leukaemia.

Also it mutates our transport selection gene p24 located so doesn't do its job properly and not take the right genes needed for transcription. This confirms also it is a lukeamia
mia).
Also why the name changes?? It used to be called HTLV III/LAV, closely related to HTLV l and HTLV ll (Actually there's no difference in all these diseases, even down to a molecular level)... So when does a disease actually become another disease?
Now we have changed the name to HIV... yet another strain has appeared 'supposedly' from cameroon, called guess what??? HTLV lll... Talk about the recycling of a name!!! and as HTLV stands for HUMAN T Lymphotropic virus, why has it been found in monkeys?
PLEASE READ ALL THE INFORMATION... IT IS SCIENTIFIC NOT A THEORY AND I MYSELF HAVE THIS BLOODLINE...
I am writing to you in despair. I am a 37 year old man with an Aids diagnosis and also a very rare autoimmune disease (I'm HLA B27+), which causes alot of problems in itself- namely Ankylosing Spondylitis and sclerosing cholangigitis. I am currently at my wits end. I am feeeling very ill and in Liver failure. The doctors don't seem to care or want to do anything about me to make me better.

I know i'm a very rare case but this is ridiculous I've been very ill for nearly 10 years now aand literally nothing has been done to make me any better.. I'm hardly able to get out and do anything, I'm eating very little, I'm basically dying because the NHS doesn't seem to know what to do. I have no family or friends to help. I live on my own, I get no social care at all, because my legs work! Because I can't get out very much at the minute I'm feeding my gas metre 10 pounds a day to keep me warm, because of this government there are no social tariffs anymore and I can't and don't get any help because I'm not a pensioner. I have wriiten to my MP but as yet have not recieved a reply..

Basically I'm waiting to die, please help because my own government won't

[gm mutant]

bump :)

[glacidtek]

I feel for you mate.....
sending you peace and love.

[Anders Lindman]

I have 2 diseases I shouldn't have together.. They are a genetic impossibility. I am HLA B27 antibody positive and HIV+, formally HTLV III/LAV positive.

I have never heard of HLA, but I have a strong suspicion that there is no such thing as the HIV virus. As far as I know the HIV virus has never been isolated in laboratory tests. And the tests for HIV they use on patients don't test for the HIV virus; they only test for secondary effect supposedly caused by HIV.

HIV is as real as Santa Claus.

[gm mutant]

The antibody they test for is P24 which is actually one of our genes :)

[godspeed]

your not alone mate...i got a friend with lupas and another dis ease and doctors say they dont know how to treat her....she has to take street drugs sometimes to keep her going...surely there must be someone to help....but then if they want us all to fade away and i think they just fog people off that ask too many questions...just keep changing doctors till you get one with a bit of know....otherwise try alternative remedies for immune boosters etc....think strong be strong....bless

[Anders Lindman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5ZRsRxD1NY

[druggalo]

they hold the cure for ppl with 100k+ cash to drop.

unless your magic johnson superstar status rich

your a victom of population control

takin any pain killahz? how did you get the hiv?
-------------------------------------------------
they got aids infecting the globe
lazor weapons and clones
koncerors as presidents
death artificial intellagence

[gm mutant]

yeah I take painkillers alot....And yep I know who is doing this to me :)

[Anders Lindman]

May I respectfully suggest that if you believe there is such thing as HIV you have swallowed a monumental lie, hook, line and sinker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hZR1lIb8CE

[gm mutant]

I haven't swallowed HIV at all..... I know its a phoney disease..its not even a virus, its a collection of cancers given in a herpes or epstein barr virus as a vector!!!

[Anders Lindman]

I haven't swallowed HIV at all..... I know its a phoney disease..its not even a virus, its a collection of cancers given in a herpes or epstein barr virus as a vector!!!

In Africa, the doctors receive more money if they diagnose diarrhea as AIDS instead of ordinary diarrhea. And the same with many other diseases.

For people who haven't researched the AIDS myth, here is part 2 of the first video I posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuR1QxyOSAs

[gm mutant]

I know more than either of those videos, and they aren't strictly accuate... I have the proof in my genes of what HIV actually is, and what it actually does :)

[gm mutant]

I'm just waiting for them to admit it.... ;)

[persian_x]

Go on Google Video and type HIV=AIDS

2-hour documentary explaining you the truth about HIV and AIDS, how it's a corporate fraud and mass depopulation agenda.

[gm mutant]

I actually think its left over from ww2, because I've found out that mustard gas/sarin/agent orange all do the same thing and act on our cancer antibodies, there are clusters of HTLV around the world..usually where the British/American Governments have been...like Japan, Vietnam, the Caribbean and Africa...

[1971]

i deleted what i wrote as its probably irrelevant...

but sending you all the best gm, i really think it sucks.

[gm mutant]

Cheers 1971 (which is the year of my birth ;)) its the same with my docs.. I'm getting to know their secrets and I've been reading about HIV/HTLV III and I've found out it really is a man made virus made of of HHV6/HHV8 and inside is basically a collection of our own genes with cause the genes in our body to react to them causing cancers and altering the way our cells work

[blueyonder2012]

SUPPRESSED MEDICAL: Bob Beck Using Frequency



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3383948315844437935


suppressed Medical Discovery- Dr. Robert Apr 18

When I attempted to find a copy of this paper to see what it said, I found that they had all vanished or were cut out of the proceedings. We hired a private investigator who got a personal abstract copy from one of the conference attendees. I also did a computer search and found that the only other mention of this technology was in "Outer Limits" in Longevity Magazine which appeared in the December, 1992, issue. It stated that Steven Kaali, M.D., from Albert Einstein College of Medicine, had found a way of inhibiting AIDS in blood, but that years of testing would be required before the virus-electrocuting device was ready for use. In other words, they discovered it and then tried to cover it up immediately.

But a very funny thing happened. Two years later, a patent popped up. The U.S. Government Patent Office described the entire process. You can obtain Patent #5,188,738 in which the same Dr. Kaali describes a process, which will attenuate any bacteria or virus (including AIDS/HIV), parasites and all fungi contained in the blood, rendering them ineffective from infecting a normally healthy human cell. This is in a government document! This was in 1990! Why haven't they told the public about it? I decided if there was a sure-fire cure for AIDS, I had to find out about it.

When I looked into Dr. Kaali's work, I decided to go ahead and fund it. We found that it worked all of the time. For two and a half years, we gave full credit for this invention to Dr. Kaali, whose name is on the patent. Then I discovered that there was a long history of this technology. We followed a trail of these patents back 107 years! We found a patent, #4,665,898, that cured all cancer, dated May 19, 1987. Why has this been suppressed? Why hasn't your doctor told you about an absolutely proven, established cure for cancer? The answer is that doctors get $375,000 per patient for surgery, chemotherapy, x-ray, hospital stays, doctors and anesthesiologists. This is the official statistic from the U.S. Department of Commerce. Unfortunately, the medical patient cured is a customer lost.


BOB BECK (INTERVIEW)

:rolleyes:

[jesuitsdidit]

it may sound incredible, but i've heard vitamin C can deal with the principal symptoms of HIV virus
i wd suggest a regular intake of eating oranges over at least 10 days
blackcurrants also hav gd level of vit c
probably y codex wants 2 ban it..

[dreamweaver]

May I respectfully suggest that if you believe there is such thing as HIV you have swallowed a monumental lie, hook, line and sinker.

And your medical credentials are...?

On Friday, I will be carrying the coffin of a friend who had the HIV virus for 25 years. I respectfully suggest that you tell us all what qualifies you to know more about this subject than all the doctors with specialist knowledge of this virus?

Or have you just watched a couple of amateur videos and fallen for their monumental lie hook, line and sinker?

[michael christopher]

The question I have is, if the HIV tests actually only detect the antibodies that killed the HIV - meaning that the person who tests positive actually does NOT have HIV - then how is HIV passed from one person to another?

[dreamweaver]

The question I have is, if the HIV tests actually only detect the antibodies that killed the HIV - meaning that the person who tests positive actually does NOT have HIV - then how is HIV passed from one person to another?

Your info is well out of date. There have been other tests besides antibody tests for years:

http://www.avert.org/testing.htm

[gm mutant]

Dreamweaver I've learnt its the probably the Human Herpes Virus that is a vector and inside this virus is a collection of antibodies (or parts of our own genes) gp53 (a cancer supressor gene) gp 120 (which is our spark plug gene which enables transcription and could be left behind after it) and transcription selector gene, plus gp24 (which is the antibody they test for which isn't a natural gene(co incidentally) but one that enables the phoney virus enter our cells. Also why the name change when the nomclature comittee including Robert Gallo himself the "dicoverer" of HIV, said they thought HTLV lll as it was then, was a good name and why change it? so it was done for no clinical reason and I have written proffr to back all my claims up!!

[dreamweaver]

GMM, I'm not disputing what you have to say. I remember when it used to be called HTLV III too. I thought the name was changed just to dumb it down for the general public to be honest.

Incidentally, in case the other guy responds to this before I get back (long drive ahead for me), my friend never developed Aids. He died of cancers that were not Aids-related. So he was proof that you can have the virus for many years without developing Aids (he was being treated by conventional medicine).

[gm mutant]

The name change came about because the 2 labs that discovered it (one in the US and one in France) couldn't agree on a name but yes it was the same thing they had discovered, and what it did (in other words Human T cell Leukaemia/lymphotropic virus) lymphotropic because it alters white (t cells) blood cells and leukaemia because it turns off our cancer supressor gene thats what it really is and still should be classed as...

[Anders Lindman]

And your medical credentials are...?

On Friday, I will be carrying the coffin of a friend who had the HIV virus for 25 years. I respectfully suggest that you tell us all what qualifies you to know more about this subject than all the doctors with specialist knowledge of this virus?

Or have you just watched a couple of amateur videos and fallen for their monumental lie hook, line and sinker?

Below is a link to an older thread where I explain how the the whole AIDS thing could be a huge manufactured scam. People who have AIDS or know or have known people with AIDS should definitely research this for themselves and not blindly swallow what mainstream media, education and science are telling them. Even people who don't have AIDS themselves or people they know with AIDS should investigate this. Credentials are often useful. In the case of AIDS-related research however, credentials may be the exact opposite: a proof that the person with the credentials has been blindly following a scam into messy cul-de-sacs, or knowingly done or granted false research just for the money or because of pressure from higher authorities.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41966

[Anders Lindman]

Here is one of the few real photos of the HIV virus I found (from Wikipedia):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/HIV-budding-Color.jpg/190px-HIV-budding-Color.jpg

First I thought the pink blob was an HIV virus, but it's the tiny green dots that are HIV viruses. That's almost a fraudulent photo since it appears they have colored the big blob pink to make people think that that is an HIV virus.

To be fair, it's probably not easy to take an actual photo of a virus since they are so tiny. But it also means that a photo like the above cannot be used as a reliable evidence for the existence of the HIV virus.

[druggalo]

next tyme you should check the cleanlyness of your prostiez

before ur ogry

any signs of herpiez should make you deter

[halebox]

Look into this

http://www.miraclemineral.org/


and the Bob Beck electrifier you can get them on ebay also colloidal silver

[secondsun]

...poor quality video but well worth the watch!

The Strecker Memorandum (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1349285080949254539&hl=en)

[Anders Lindman]

...poor quality video but well worth the watch!

The Strecker Memorandum (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1349285080949254539&hl=en)

I started to watch it and what I question is if there is such thing as the HIV virus at all. At any rate, there are many suspicious things about AIDS and HIV. Unfortunately, like the 911 attack, it will likely take a long time before we know the truth.

[Anders Lindman]

One speculative idea is that AIDS is no more than a nocebo effect, created through a psychological mass-manipulation.

The placebo effect is well known:

"Research has confirmed that a fake treatment, made from an inactive substance like sugar, distilled water, or saline solution, can have a "placebo effect"--that is, the sham medication can sometimes improve a patient's condition simply because the person has the expectation that it will be helpful. For a given medical condition, it's not unusual for one-third of patients to feel better in response to treatment with placebo."

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2000/100_heal.html

The nocebo effect is similar to the placebo effect except that instead of creating healing it creates disease! The placebo effect is very powerful. Think then of how powerful the nocebo effect is! It's easier to destroy health than to heal.

The placebo effect is usually created when a patient trusts an authority such as a doctor or a scientist. The nocebo effect also works through trust in authorities. When a doctor for example tells a patient that he or she only has two months to live, then it's common that the patient will die just like that, not because the doctor's prediction is accurate per se, but because the patient's belief in the doctor creates a powerful nocebo effect.

Imagine what kind of nocebo effect that results when a doctor tells a patient that he or she has AIDS. No doubt in most cases that will create a HUGE nocebo effect!

[ayomide]

Shame pet - you alright?

Eat garlic soup and veggies and sleep with a virgin and you won't have it anymore!

Are you for real??

[Anders Lindman]

If AIDS is a pure nocebo effect, then that would explain how medical science can chase after a cure for AIDS for decades, spend billions of dollars on research, and never find a cure!!! It would also explain the jungle of mysteries and inconsistencies around AIDS.

I rest my briefcase. :cool:

[Anders Lindman]

Something related and similar to AIDS is cancer. My new theory is that also cancer is a pure nocebo effect. Consider Occam's Razor: "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." Of course, my theory is just a speculation, but I for one believe in it.

[klin]

Hello,
It's getting late for me, but I wanted to mention OZONE!
I have an old VHS copy of Ozone and the Politics of Medicine (http://healingtools.tripod.com/opmvideo.html)... and I see it is no longer on google videos!!?! :(

Anyway, I highly recommend you look up OZONE THERAPY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_therapy)!

Don't let all the oxidation throw you off, there're ways to control the doses and/or not even feed you ozone, but rather withdrawing 600 ml of blood and re-infusiing it into the body after putting ozone into it. (http://www.oxygenmedicine.com/ozonetherapyed.html)
just google it! (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=ozone+therapy&btnG=Google+Search&meta=)
Courage and Strength, gm

Klin

[Anders Lindman]

Here is an extreme speculation, but one that I hope you will find interesting:

All disease is a nocebo effect, including physical trauma like a broken bone. Health care is just a machine that turns humans into guinea pigs. Medical science is useful for gathering knowledge, but there is no need for turning people into lab rats.

Instead of going to the doctor, use the placebo effect. The placebo effect will cure everything. Health care is only needed as long as we fail to efficiently use the placebo effect ourselves, i.e. as long as we believe we are helpless victims who lack the power to heal ourselves.

[phreedom]

Hello Sir,

I understand your discontent and dissatisfaction with the 2 concommittant diagnoses you unfortunately have to deal with in your life.

I, myself, am quite familiar with all of the aforementioned diseases and am quite knowledgeable in the field. After reading your passionate posts, I feel terrible when I have to tell you that I don't think your research is accurate.

I have watched young men suffer from the disease Ankylosing Spondylitis. An inflammatory type disease that causes the destruction of the joints between vertebrae ultimately resulting in the fusion of said vertabrae. It is terrible, and you are correct, is associated with Antigen variant 'HLA-B27' positivity, as is Sclerosing Cholangitis, which causes the hardening of Gall Bladder and Bile Duct tissue in a way not unlike Atherosclerotic disease, both inflammatory processes that inevitably lead to the debilitation of the poor soul afflicted. I am sorry to hear of your misfortune.

However, I must tell you, straightforwardly, that the two afflictions from which you suffer, HIV and HLA-B27 positivity, are in no way related.

First off, individuals who test positive for the HLA-B27 antigen do not always get the aforementioned diseases. There is just a correlation between possessing that gene and developing the disease. There are people with AnkySpondi who are HLA-B27 NEGATIVE and HLA-B27+ people who do not have AS, but there is a VERY strong correlation between them, perhaps in the 80th or so percentile. You are correct, however, because it is a genetic "defect" or "anomaly" it is very much possible to pass it on to ones children...

As for HIV, this is not the case.


As for the "HIV" doesn't exist, stuff... This is absolute nonsense.

I have watched young men and women die horrendous deaths because of this VIRUS. It is well-studied and well-understood by CIVILIAN researchers. These very same researchers have suffered those very same deaths attempting to study the virus and its activity, or even help those who were suffering from it. Please don't dismiss these sacrifices because of discontent with the care you have received thereafter. It is no reason to downgrade and dismiss their efforts because of your own personal dissatisfactions and ignorance.

Though it became prominent in the late 70s and well-understood in the late 80s of the 20th century, evidence of its existence in humans dates back to the 1930s. From what I gather, you seem to believe that HIV is an "inheritable" disease, and that it is some God-awful form of cancer, a leukemia/lymphoma, as you put it, which is in NO WAY accurate.

Leukemias and Lymphomas are in fact diseases that result from defective genetics that are inheritable. As for HIV, this is not the case. An HIV+ mother and father will ALWAYS produce an HIV- child if the proper measures are taken to prevent fetal/neonatal exposure to the body fluids of the parents that transmit the VIRUS.

Yes, a virus is a genetic entity, and operates by implanting its genetic material into the genome of its host, but only in CERTAIN cell types, not all, and does not affect "gametes" such as sperm CELLS and females' egg cells, though the virus is transmitted in the FLUIDS that contain sperm, it does not manipulate the genetics of the sperm that will produce a child.

Yes, SUSCEPTIBILITY to HIV is genetically based. Very true. This is easily demonstrated by the fact that the virus can travel from person to person but not from person to dog. It's constituent parts add up to a packet of protein and genetic material that infect a host cell, white blood cells in humans, more speciffically, CD4+ Cells, and destroy them as the virus takes over the WBC's cellular machinery to propagate itself, then explodes out, destroying the cell in the process only to infect more and more and the process repeats itself.

This is NOTHING like the processes that cause lymphoma or leukemias. In those diseases, a specific cell type goes nutso and reproduces itself unchecked, eating up all of the resources that would otherwise be used by other cell types, thus resulting in excessive amounts of those types of cells, making tumors, taking up space, crushing nearby structures and destroying the bodies ability to feed, nourish and take care of itself.

In HIV, it's the opposite, one cell type is being destroyed from the inside out by a virus, so that only the cell types that go uninfected remain (B-Cells, Red Blood Cells, etc). In Cancer, one cell type just reproduces non-stop, starving the others out.

Yes, HIV allows cancers to occur, even leukemia, but this is because the cell types that are destroyed by the virus, are the very same cell types that destroy rogue cells in our bodies that result in tumors and cancer.

The literature is out their, people. Don't get caught up in a world of mistrust, as the world will only become uglier to you and you will lose your vitality in spark as you sink into a whirlpool of despair. That is not what you are here to do. You are here to love others and trust that they love you back. Dont get caught up in any random thing you read and expect that it is truth. Talk to people who know about these things, such as myself, as I come here by my own free will in an attempt to inform you that great minds who love you are working hard to free you from the bondage your afflictions subject you to.

Though there are those out there who could give less than a horses terd about those aside from themself, their folly is no different than those who mistrust and hide from the world in a veil of fear and discontent.

Find love and you'll start to feel better. Isn't that what you really want anyway?

Good luck friend, and I can only pray that things turn around for you. Just remember, if a turning of the tide is what you seek, but it continues to come at you in full force, simply turn around yourself, and you'll see it's moving away...

[Anders Lindman]

As for the "HIV" doesn't exist, stuff... This is absolute nonsense.


Maybe. It's just that I have seen so many inconsistencies when researching AIDS and HIV. It could be that it's because I have actively searched for conspiracy info that I have found so much of it. There is a huge amount of info on the web and much of it is disinfo or speculations.

Just to add another speculation that I just came to think of: There is no such thing as the placebo effect. The placebo effect is simply the absence of the nocebo effect; remove the nocebo effect and the body will automatically heal itself. The natural state of the body is to stay healthy. Everything else is pathology.

[phreedom]

If AIDS is a pure nocebo effect, then that would explain how medical science can chase after a cure for AIDS for decades, spend billions of dollars on research, and never find a cure!!! It would also explain the jungle of mysteries and inconsistencies around AIDS.

I rest my briefcase. :cool:

There are cures for AIDS.

AIDS is a general term. It means Acquired Immuno-Deficiency Syndrome.

Simply put, the person who has it, has no immune system. They develop weird diseases that normal people don't typically get because they have a good immune system. Pretty simple.

There are cures for AIDS, as HIV virus is not the only Cause of AIDS.

A person with leukemia, who does not have bone marrow, does not have a functioning immune system and will develop AIDS. When this person receives a bone marrow transplant that takes, they will redevelop their immune system, fight off the diseases that they are susceptible to when their immune system is down, and no longer have AIDS.

I reiterate, it is a SYNDROME. By definition, syndromes are a constellation of symptoms common to a root cause.

Read about Cushing's Syndrome versus Cushing's Disease for an example of what the words are used to describe.

Another cause of AIDS is immunosuppressant drugs. You will develop AIDS if you take the drugs, the kind we give patients who receive a new heart, or lung, or kidney or some other transplant, so that they don't reject it. These people have AIDS. The cure? Stop the drugs. WOW.

As for people with HIV. They don't ALWAYS get AIDS. Again, HIV kills immune system cells. But without those cells, HIV cannot propagate. If it kills too many too fast, it will degrade, those cell types will bounce back until the HIV takes them out again, and this process repeats itself over and over.

In those downtimes, that is when AIDS is visible, when the person develops weird diseases that people with well-functioning immune systems don't get, like Kaposi's Sarcoma (a cancer related to a Herpes Virus) for example, or Oral Thrush, or any number of diseases, all only present when there is no Immune system.

I can't type about this anymore.

At any rate, if I cut our your kidneys, are you going to continue making urine? Or is it just an imaginary mass manipulation every time you take a leak? It may be, but you're stuck in this reality. Go swallow an HIV infected man's semen, share a needle with a guy who has Hepatitis C and then stand in front of a truck on the highway moving at high speed right at you so it hits you full force. Then come talk to me. When you have done these things, and have operated on a plane completely independent of the reality the rest of us are on, only then can I take your "theories" seriously. But for now, I will take what I can empirically from this realm and work things out accordingly.

[Anders Lindman]

There are cures for AIDS, as HIV virus is not the only Cause of AIDS.


:eek: I thought that HIV was supposed to be the only cause. Maybe they have found so many inconsistencies with the theory of HIV that they have resorted to explaining them away by adding other possible causes for AIDS. At first they tried to explain it by saying that the HIV virus was able to do all sorts of unbelievable acrobatics and stunts. Perhaps that wasn't enough and they have now come up with alternative causes. I for one don't buy it.

EDIT: And remember that AIDS suddenly popped up in the 80s. Was it an actual disease, or was it a propaganda stunt, a manufactured meme? If there are other causes for AIDS than HIV, why didn't these causes exist before AIDS entered the world in the 80s?

[somewarez]

Hi I am very sorry to hear about your problems.

I have no medical backgrounds so all the information I shall write is on the information I have read, much of which is not supported by the FDA, but has come from doctors and patients who have testified to the treatments. I will not be held responsible for any consequence of these treatments, do your own research. I am merely suggesting things and providing links.

As time is important, I think it best not to beat around the bush so to speak.

I can't say my advice will work for you as I dont know that it will. But it shouldn't do you any harm.

I remember reading about a cure that the US government had found for AIDS, its also been Patented! This involved tiny particles of silver........ So I suggest colloidal silver, now I am very unsure of the doses etc so please research it. It can be made at home with fine silver and a cheap to buy electric device. To be honest this is a long shot, as their patent from what I read seemed different to colloidal silver. BUT it might have been a word smoke screen..... I don't say it will work or help, but it might ;)

As for you saying its a cancer.

Well please check this video series http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw

there are 7 videos in the series, PM me if you have problems finding the links.


Nothing of the above is FDA approved so I will not approve or disprove that these methods will cure you.

Sorry its such a difficult virus or as you state cancer, and as you know those things are EVIL! but you may find help in those videos.

I understand your pain and hope beyond hope that you manage to find a cure for your sickness.

All the best with finding a cure, I am sorry I can not help you more.

With the love of humanity may you reveal a cure to help others :)

LIFE > LAW! so some of what I linked is illegal........ but your life is more precious than a law. its up to you, I am not telling you to do it, I am just offering opinion, I shall not be held responsible for the outcome if you take this post and use the info. ;) *must cover myself against legal shit*

SW

[Anders Lindman]

C'mon already! AIDS is a fricken fabricated meme. Game over.

[shadowangel]

the NHS sent me home to die, i was in need of a blood transfusion (had a serious infection and was losing a lot of blood) but the sent me home wit pain killers, i had to go back to the hospital and strip naked to get them to listen, then a gushing of blood came (wich was perfect timing or they probably would have just called the police and arrested me).....only then they gave me a bed....

I just want to send u LOVE n AFFECTION....there is a higher realm of self healing.... but wont mention it any further coz wen u unwell sometimes thats the last thing u wanna hear...

PEACE

[Anders Lindman]

Even in 1994 the case for HIV-AIDS was debated:

"Most people believe they know what causes AIDS. For a decade, scientist, government officials, physicians, journalists, public-service ads, TV shows, and movies have told them that AIDS is caused by a retrovirus called HIV. This virus supposedly infects and kills the "T-cells" of the immune system, leading to an inevitably, fatal immune deficiency after an asymptomatic period that averages 10 years or so. Most people do not know-because there has been a visual media blackout on the subject-about a longstanding scientific controversy over the cause of AIDS. A controversy that has become increasingly heated as the official theory's predictions have turned out to be wrong.

Leading biochemical scientists, including University of California at Berkeley retrovirus expert Peter Duesberg and Nobel Prize winner Walter Gilbert, have been warning for years that there is no proof that HIV causes AIDS. The warnings were met first with silence, then with ridicule and contempt."

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/kmreason.htm

I found it suspicious how mainstream media has been silent about this for so long. Mainstream media = Weapon of Mass Deception

[Anders Lindman]

I'm too lazy to research this at the moment, but it would be interesting to investigate whether AIDS is an actual disease or a meme created in the early 80s for manipulation purposes.

"A meme (pronounced /miːm/) comprises a unit or element of cultural ideas, symbols or practices; such units or elements transmit from one mind to another through speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena. The etymology of the term relates to the Greek word mimema for mimic. Memes act as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate and respond to selective pressures."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

[dreamweaver]

Below is a link to an older thread where I explain how the the whole AIDS thing could be a huge manufactured scam. People who have AIDS or know or have known people with AIDS should definitely research this for themselves and not blindly swallow what mainstream media, education and science are telling them. Even people who don't have AIDS themselves or people they know with AIDS should investigate this. Credentials are often useful. In the case of AIDS-related research however, credentials may be the exact opposite: a proof that the person with the credentials has been blindly following a scam into messy cul-de-sacs, or knowingly done or granted false research just for the money or because of pressure from higher authorities.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41966

So no credentials whatsoever then, just another fool who thinks viewing amateur videos and browsing conspiracy websites is "research". Thanks, that was all I needed to know.

[hitithard]

My thoughts are with you gm. I have faith that will get better, we are all here for you and WE are your friends. Your not alone

I can't say that i know a great deal about HIV. Although have always had my suspicions about its origins

Someone mentioned this Miricle mineral? I was interested in this product, i have read possitive reviews on the internet, but its so hard to tell if a product is a scam.

has anyone used this for any of the ilnesses that it says it can help?

cancer aids?

Im here for you gm if you ever feel like a chat

[gm mutant]

Thank you all for your kind words and respect in the posts... I'm very touched.

Thank You All.

GM

[Anders Lindman]

So no credentials whatsoever then, just another fool who thinks viewing amateur videos and browsing conspiracy websites is "research". Thanks, that was all I needed to know.

But think about it. How many people really have credentials when it comes to knowledge about the actual HIV virus? How many people have credentials when it comes to controlled demolition? Are you saying that a Ph.D. in Thermite is needed for saying that the 911 attack was an inside job?

[jesuitsdidit]

Maybe. It's just that I have seen so many inconsistencies when researching AIDS and HIV. It could be that it's because I have actively searched for conspiracy info that I have found so much of it. There is a huge amount of info on the web and much of it is disinfo or speculations.

Just to add another speculation that I just came to think of: There is no such thing as the placebo effect. The placebo effect is simply the absence of the nocebo effect; remove the nocebo effect and the body will automatically heal itself. The natural state of the body is to stay healthy. Everything else is pathology.

ive herd hiv s a load of guff.. more research, big pharma, fast cars, top of pramid..

[jesuitsdidit]

So no credentials whatsoever then, just another fool who thinks viewing amateur videos and browsing conspiracy websites is "research". Thanks, that was all I needed to know.

ru a junior agent dw?

[Anders Lindman]

ive herd hiv s a load of guff.. more research, big pharma, fast cars, top of pramid..

The elite love to use manipulation techniques. AIDS is a HUGE manipulation program started in the 80s to manufacture fear out of thin air as a means of mass control. AIDS is a 'disease only in the mind', a nocebo meme that has been thoroughly implanted, heavily hammered into the minds of all people all over the world.

[sloughi]

Basically I'm waiting to die, please help because my own government won'tMan. It's sad but you have HIV AIDS. Now get the AZT. Acting foolish up here will not help your health.

[michael christopher]

The elite love to use manipulation techniques. AIDS is a HUGE manipulation program started in the 80s to manufacture fear out of thin air as a means of mass control. AIDS is a 'disease only in the mind', a nocebo meme that has been thoroughly implanted, heavily hammered into the minds of all people all over the world.

I heard that HIV had no effect and did not create AIDS a very long time ago, and so far I guess the story I have put together is this. The idea that HIV creates AIDS is a form of population control. First, it gets people with HIV to take drugs they don't need which are highly toxic, in order to "prevent" AIDS. But the drugs in effect attack the immune system, CAUSING AIDS. Another effect of the lie is that it causes people to become much more self-destructive and go out and do things they wouldn't do if they were healthy, since they believe they are going to die anyway. For instance, if someone is diagnosed with HIV, they will just stop wearing condoms and start doing lots of drugs since they figure they are fucked. The whole Africa-AIDS thing is a completely different program, but utilizing the same basic tool (the lie about the disease). Is this about what you think as well? I'm trying to figure out how it would work as population control, the only thing I can think of is that by making people think they are going to get AIDS, you can separate the strong from the weak, and the intelligent from the stupid. The stupid people are the aforementioned who just go out and self-destruct. The smart people would be those who actually exercise and maintain good health to keep their t-cell count up. But from what I'm hearing, HIV doesn't even kill t-cells!

So what kills t-cells? Just other diseases that get called AIDS if the host has HIV?

[Anders Lindman]

I heard that HIV had no effect and did not create AIDS a very long time ago, and so far I guess the story I have put together is this. The idea that HIV creates AIDS is a form of population control. First, it gets people with HIV to take drugs they don't need which are highly toxic, in order to "prevent" AIDS. But the drugs in effect attack the immune system, CAUSING AIDS. Another effect of the lie is that it causes people to become much more self-destructive and go out and do things they wouldn't do if they were healthy, since they believe they are going to die anyway. For instance, if someone is diagnosed with HIV, they will just stop wearing condoms and start doing lots of drugs since they figure they are fucked. The whole Africa-AIDS thing is a completely different program, but utilizing the same basic tool (the lie about the disease). Is this about what you think as well? I'm trying to figure out how it would work as population control, the only thing I can think of is that by making people think they are going to get AIDS, you can separate the strong from the weak, and the intelligent from the stupid. The stupid people are the aforementioned who just go out and self-destruct. The smart people would be those who actually exercise and maintain good health to keep their t-cell count up. But from what I'm hearing, HIV doesn't even kill t-cells!

So what kills t-cells? Just other diseases that get called AIDS if the host has HIV?

Yeah, what you write is similar to what I was thinking about. The AIDS in Africa could be an effective means of population control. The nocebo effect can very easily make people drop dead like flies.

The immune system is a complicated thing. The nocebo effect will directly have an impact on the immune system. The placebo effect can heal all kinds of different diseases. Similarly, the nocebo effect can create all kinds of diseases. The placebo effect is perhaps the same thing as the absence of the nocebo effect. When there is no nocebo effect the immune system works more like a 'cleaning system' than a defense system.

[michael christopher]

Yeah, what you write is similar to what I was thinking about. The AIDS in Africa could be an effective means of population control. The nocebo effect can very easily make people drop dead like flies.

The immune system is a complicated thing. The nocebo effect will directly have an impact on the immune system. The placebo effect can heal all kinds of different diseases. Similarly, the nocebo effect can create all kinds of diseases. The placebo effect is perhaps the same thing as the absence of the nocebo effect. When there is no nocebo effect the immune system works more like a 'cleaning system' than a defense system.

Well, I guess the nocebo effect could be real, it makes sense in context with people manifesting their internal health externally. However, I was primarily referring to the various other diseases that people who feel like they have a death sentence will carelessly expose themselves to. For instance, sadly among many gay people it seems like the idea is that if you have HIV, you might as well go out with a blast. This means that people will just go out and have ridiculous amounts of unsafe sex because they think they already have HIV, what could be worse? On top of the sex, they will cram lots of dirty drugs into their bodies as well. This is full-on self-destruct mode, brought about by the social lie that HIV inevitably leads to AIDS. If it's not intentional self-destruction, people just pay for these horrible drugs to stave off AIDS. The drugs are legal pharmaceuticals and don't really help at all, in fact they tend to be extremely harsh to the immune system, the mind, and the body in general. These are only things I have observed at a distance, I have never known anyone personally all that well who has HIV, but the research I have done previously has led me to the conclusions I listed above.

[Anders Lindman]

Well, I guess the nocebo effect could be real, it makes sense in context with people manifesting their internal health externally. However, I was primarily referring to the various other diseases that people who feel like they have a death sentence will carelessly expose themselves to. For instance, sadly among many gay people it seems like the idea is that if you have HIV, you might as well go out with a blast. If it's not this way, people just pay for these horrible drugs to stave off AIDS. The drugs are legal pharmaceuticals and don't really help at all, in fact they tend to be extremely harsh to the immune system, the mind, and the body in general. These are only things I have observed at a distance, I have never known anyone personally all that well who has HIV, but the research I have done previously has led me to the conclusions I listed above.

I don't see people with AIDS behaving irresponsible as a big problem. My guess is that the nocebo effect is the biggest problem. If a doctor tells a patient that he or she will die within two months it's not uncommon for the patient to die almost exactly like the doctor said, while other people say 'I'm going to be well' and they have a spontaneous remission of their terminal cancer and become fully healthy again!

The doctors have been trained in misleading ways. For example, the heart is not a pump. The heart is like a thick-walled balloon. It's the veins that pump around the blood in the body. The veins have thick walls with musculature that take care of the pumping action, and the veins also have valves that prevent the blood from flowing backwards. The arteries have thinner walls and weaker musculature, which is only used for changing the diameter of the arteries to regulate the blood flow/pressure.

[phreedom]

:eek: I thought that HIV was supposed to be the only cause. Maybe they have found so many inconsistencies with the theory of HIV that they have resorted to explaining them away by adding other possible causes for AIDS. At first they tried to explain it by saying that the HIV virus was able to do all sorts of unbelievable acrobatics and stunts. Perhaps that wasn't enough and they have now come up with alternative causes. I for one don't buy it.

EDIT: And remember that AIDS suddenly popped up in the 80s. Was it an actual disease, or was it a propaganda stunt, a manufactured meme? If there are other causes for AIDS than HIV, why didn't these causes exist before AIDS entered the world in the 80s?

My God, did you not read my previous post?

AIDS is a syndrome, it is not a DISEASE. HIV is a virus. When it runs rampant in your body, it can result in AIDS.

What the hell do you not get about this?

Immunodeficiency existed LONG before knowledge of the viral illness (HIV)that your uneducated mind seems to believe is the only cause of immunodeficiency. How old are you? Are you retarded? I feel like I am talking to a wall here.

[steevo]

Man. It's sad but you have HIV AIDS. Now get the AZT. Acting foolish up here will not help your health.

The pharmaceutical companies are evil. They are purposely killing people. That's just my opinion based on stuff I have seen happen in the past, and recently too.

I really wish that we could do something about this HIV thing. I despair sometimes :mad::(

I wish you my very best GM. Alot of people on here are with you in spirit mate. Keep fighting. Never give up.

[Anders Lindman]

My God, did you not read my previous post?

AIDS is a syndrome, it is not a DISEASE. HIV is a virus. When it runs rampant in your body, it can result in AIDS.

What the hell do you not get about this?

Immunodeficiency existed LONG before knowledge of the viral illness (HIV)that your uneducated mind seems to believe is the only cause of immunodeficiency. How old are you? Are you retarded? I feel like I am talking to a wall here.

Are you saying that AIDS existed before 1980? If not, then what is the difference between immunodeficiency in general and AIDS in particular? According to you, AIDS can be caused by other things than the HIV virus. Are you sure about that?

[phreedom]

Are you saying that AIDS existed before 1980? If not, then what is the difference between immunodeficiency in general and AIDS in particular? According to you, AIDS can be caused by other things than the HIV virus. Are you sure about that?

The syndrome known as AIDS is no different than any other form of immunodeficiency in which T-Cell dysfunction/absence is the root cause.

The term AIDS is nothing more than a buzzword coined to easily describe the end-stage result of active HIV infection. They use the term AIDS to describe people with T-Cell Deficiency SECONDARY to having been infected with HIVirus.

The term AIDS is nothing more than a name that states:

They have no Cell-mediated Immune Response because active HIV infection has elliminated their body's ability to mount that response by destroying T-Cells.

It is nothing more than that. It is simply a name.


Now, let's consider the following diseases. Look them up for your own enrichment.

DiGeorge syndrome
Severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID)
Wiskott-Aldrich syndrome (WAS)
Adenosine deaminase deficiency
Purine nucleoside phosphorylase deficiency

All of the above are congenital diseases that are indistinguishable in presentation of what you call AIDS. In actuality, the reason that they occur, is the same. T-Cells are either absent or do not function properly. The person with the problem dies a disgusting death of diseases people with normal immune systems would never experience.


I'll use an analogy for you. If a postal worker has a heart attack and dies on route, the people aren't going to get the mail that day. If the postal truck breaks down, the people aren't going to get the mail that day.

So, the same thing happened, but there were two different causes.

The syndrome of AIDS looks just like, and basically is just like, the 5 aforementioned diseases as well as the following:

Hodgkins Lymphoma
Immunosuppressive Therapy
Many many many many Cancers
Leukemias
Waldenstrom's macroglobulinemia
and about 400 other diseases


The thing is, when hundreds of homosexual men were showing up with the symptoms of the aforementioned diseases, but were testing negative for all known causes of Immunodeficiency, no one could figure out what the hell was going on. After billions of man hours trying to figure out the cause of their T-cell deficiency, the antigens specific to HIV were found and thus, the smoking gun discovered.

Promptly, disease specialists worked to characterize the disease, resulting in programs such as "Universal Precaution" and safe-sex practices to prevent the spread while effective treatments were sought AND DISCOVERED!

AIDS was a catchy name used to educate the public of the "new" disease. The one that isn't genetic. The one you aren't born with. The one you get by doing certain things with people who have it. Just like Hepatitis. Just like Herpes. Just like the flu. Just like any Mono. Just like (insert viral illness of choice here). If an individual picks up HIV, just like someone who gets genital warts, the infection is going to do its thing whether the person likes it or not.

In the case of HIV, Immunodeficiency is the result whether you want to believe it or not. I get the sense that you think you are some terrestrial spawn of the Almighty and can deny reality through simple ignorance. Well, how about you get away from the computer for a day, go to a local city hospital and visit some sick people. Go to a nursing home that supports people who have AIDS. Yes, a nursing home for people with AIDS. A nursing home for young men, in their 30s and 40s. A nursing home. A nursing home. Not for old ladies and old men in their 80s and 90s. A nursing home for guys not too unlike yourself, who got dealt a bad set of circumstance, and can no longer eat with their mouths because of the pain they feel when they try to pass food by the fungal infections lining their esophagus. Instead of experiencing the world you live in through your computer screen, go somewhere real. Real. Real like young men our age, in a nursing home. Like this poor chap who started this thread. The poor chap who doesn't understand what is happening to him, and you sit there in ignorance and deny the reality that he is experiencing calling it some hoax, or blasphemous plot to control humanity. That is just absurd. I can't change the way you see the world, but I can tell you, you have much to see. Until you experience the pain that these people are going through, maybe you will begin to appreciate the good fortune you take for granted every day by sitting there, wasting away in blissful ignorance of a world you know nothing about.

It is time to experience the world you live in instead of living in the denial you've built around yourself.

[phreedom]

Are you saying that AIDS existed before 1980? If not, then what is the difference between immunodeficiency in general and AIDS in particular? According to you, AIDS can be caused by other things than the HIV virus. Are you sure about that?

Sorry, in my previous post, I got a little carried away.

But yes. What you have written is exactly what I am saying.

AIDS is just a term for Immunodeficiency caused by HIV. That is the only difference betweein Immunodeficiency in general, and AIDS in particular. But it is just that, immunodeficiency, nothing more, nothing less.

...a rose by any other name.

oh and in my analogy, not getting your mail is Immunodeficiency. The heart attack can be likened to HIV and the flat tire... some other cause of immunodeficiency if you like, perhaps a non-permanent one, like a curable leukemia or something...

read a book dude! Your going to get a lot more misinformation out here than you will at your local library. You have 2 assignments this weekend. Go to the hospital and visit an oncology unit, or an ICU. Ask people what they do there and learn a little bit. Talk to a few patients who are sick and comfort them. Then, the next day, go to the library and read about what you saw.

God will be happy if you do. Then you can come on here and tell me about it.

[Anders Lindman]

The term AIDS is nothing more than a buzzword coined to easily describe the end-stage result of active HIV infection.

My theory is that the acronym AIDS is more than just a buzzword. AIDS is a nocebo meme created by an evil elite. And that there is no such thing as the HIV virus.

Is my theory correct? I think so. I can however quickly change my mind about this outrageous speculation, for example if I see some convincing proof for the existence of the HIV virus.

[Anders Lindman]

My theory is that the acronym AIDS is more than just a buzzword.

This is easy to prove. Just think about how people react when they hear the word 'AIDS'. The word itself invokes a very strong reaction in people that penetrates deep down into the subconscious.

[phreedom]

Display your brevity, go swallow the semen of an HIV-infected individual, or share a bloody needle with one.

If HIV doesn't exist, you should have NO problem doing these things for there is nothing to fear.

PROVE that it is a farse. If you won't do one of the aforementioned, you are acknowledging that HIV does exist and that you are talking bull-shit just to look retarded, something that could just as easily have been done by riding the short-bus to the school you dropped out of.

[phreedom]

This is easy to prove. Just think about how people react when they hear the word 'AIDS'. The word itself invokes a very strong reaction in people that penetrates deep down into the subconscious.


Go to the goddamn hospital and see what it is... I cannot believe your ignorance, it is sickening. You are obviously someone who has never suffered. Evil elite my ass, they DONT exist. I have yet to meet an evil elitist, therefore they don't exist.

Just like air doesn't exist and the earth is flat. I suppose there's no such thing as DNA either. Like, wtf

[Anders Lindman]

Go to the goddamn hospital and see what it is... I cannot believe your ignorance, it is sickening. You are obviously someone who has never suffered. Evil elite my ass, they DONT exist. I have yet to meet an evil elitist, therefore they don't exist.

Just like air doesn't exist and the earth is flat. I suppose there's no such thing as DNA either. Like, wtf

Dr. Eleni Papadopulos is a biophysicist and leader of a group of HIV/AIDS scientists from Perth in Western Australia. Over the past decade and more she and her colleagues have published many scientific papers questioning the HIV/AIDS hypothesis. This interview by Christine Johnson looks at this work and especially her group's views on the AIDS virus itself.

CJ: Eleni, many thanks for agreeing to this interview.

ELENI: My pleasure.

CJ: Does HIV cause AIDS?

ELENI: There is no proof that HIV causes AIDS.

CJ: Why not?

ELENI: For many reasons but most importantly, because there is no proof that HIV exists.

CJ: That seems a rather bold and incredible statement to make.

ELENI: I suppose it is but nevertheless, that's where my research takes me.

CJ: Didn't Montagnier and Gallo isolate HIV? Back in the early eighties?

ELENI: No. In the papers published in Science by those two research groups, there is no proof of the isolation of a retrovirus from AIDS patients.(1,2)

CJ: They say they did isolate a virus.

ELENI: Our interpretation of the data differs. (3,4,,5)


Full transcript of the interview: http://ourcivilisation.com/aids//hivexist/index.htm

[grachtengordel]

Man. It's sad but you have HIV AIDS. Now get the AZT. Acting foolish up here will not help your health.

do you genuinely want someone to kill themselves with radiation, because that is what you are suggesting. despicable

[gilly]

There's an intersting book by Edward T. Haslam & Jim Marrs, called "Dr Mary's Monkey", which plausibly identifies when, where & how the Aids virus was deliberately created.

It's worth googling Dr Leonard Horowitz's work. He sells the product Oxysilver, and explains how you can boost your imune system & control the alkalinity of you body, via your diet, to make it a hostile enviromnment for cancers etc.

Love and light to you.