Michael Tsarion

[largejack]

This is very interesting

http://www.livevideo.com/media/playvideo_fs.aspx?fs=1&cid=E9FC02B6E2E94FF4AB709B8A616CD897

[branjo]

Tsarion is intense. I like him.

[clozaril]

thanks :) this is from the 2012 future of mankind talk

[metacomet]

I've been into Micheal since my first exposure a few years ago. He's a powerful force on the net...

The guy spits truth at an incredible rate - he's a master at pulling concepts and historical truths together and showing us what major lessons are being presented in all things.

[cookie_dude]

Is Michael genuine? I read stuff about him being a Mason?:confused:

I just watched 2012 - The Future of Mankind, and thought it was pretty good.
So much BS flying around its hard to know what to believe . :(

[existenz]

Is Michael genuine? I read stuff about him being a Mason?:confused:

I just watched 2012 - The Future of Mankind, and thought it was pretty good.
So much BS flying around its hard to know what to believe . :(

I watched every dvd of his and learned so much from him. I like him. People will say anything about anyone. I just trust my instincts and make up my own mind and i think you should do the same.

[mr facts]

Is Michael genuine? I read stuff about him being a Mason?:confused:

I just watched 2012 - The Future of Mankind, and thought it was pretty good.
So much BS flying around its hard to know what to believe . :(


I dont trust him at all. His theroies are very intresting and make a great story but I have a real problem with his Aliens created humans theory witch is his main topic.

[hellosatellites]

Excellent video! Hot stuff!

[metacomet]

I dont trust him at all. His theroies are very intresting and make a great story but I have a real problem with his Aliens created humans theory witch is his main topic.

It's the main topic of many theories though... and he covers a wide spectrum.

I found problems with his assertions that Aleister Crowley and luciferians weren't necessarily 'bad' people... never the less he does a good job pointing out their symbols.

[branjo]

Is Michael genuine? I read stuff about him being a Mason?:confused:

I just watched 2012 - The Future of Mankind, and thought it was pretty good.
So much BS flying around its hard to know what to believe . :(

It doesn't matter if he is a Mason, he is telling you the truth about them. Being a Mason is no reason to distrust a person. To many people here get all bent out of shape about the Masons because of one thing, they fear anything they don't understand. If they have all these cool secrets I can't blame anyone for wanting to know them, granted pulling up your trouser leg funny handshakes and silly rituals and hats isn't my cup of tea but to each his own ya know ...lol

Of course the "top" people want to stay top but you cannot judge the 99.9% under them as evil or corrupt. Its like a school headmaster getting arrested for a crime, you can't say the other teachers and pupils are guilty too. People just look for someone to blame and can't see past their own nose, like they are void of any responsibility for how their life turned out.

I mean I cannot stand that Alex Jones person, I find him offensive and a useless fear monger that hasn't done one thing by what he claims except make a shitload of money, but I am not going to judge the good people that want to make a difference in that movement because of him.

Tsarion comes from a VERY catholic area in Belfast and I don't even need to know the guy to know he would have nothing to do with the Royals or what they do in any shape or form. I was raised Protestant in the same city about 3 miles away and I have a lot of friends from his neck of the woods and they wouldn't lift a finger to continue the lifespan of anything connected with the Monarchy. Whatever he has said about the royal family is cold hard fact and both barrels of the truth.

Does he have faults? don't we all lol. But he does believe in what he is doing is right and he does it in an honest and blunt way, I can't fault him for that in the slightest. He is a very talented researcher of the highest caliber.

[asentinel]

Anyone got fact on this question?? Some group or individual has sponsored his study since childhood? I agree with one who said make up your own mind, read what interests you and form own opinions. Do not accept anyone else's package of thought and theory. Don't be lazy, if you are curious do your own research. Don't promote other people's research if you do not know where is comes from. Always be prepared to be surprised and be open to let in new information. Don't hold onto anything as sacred, except your own sanity and peace of mind, updated values. :D

[thirdwave]

Is Michael genuine? I read stuff about him being a Mason?:confused:

I just watched 2012 - The Future of Mankind, and thought it was pretty good.
So much BS flying around its hard to know what to believe . :(

My advice is to ignore what you "hear" and simply judge them from what they say to you and how you and your experiences and out looks relate to it.

[eternal_spirit]

I found problems with his assertions that Aleister Crowley and luciferians weren't necessarily 'bad' people... never the less he does a good job pointing out their symbols.
Yes and he's probably a Rosicrucian which ties in with Crowley and OTO, that's why he knows about symbols.

I think Icke and Watt have more to offer and put out the info and Tsarion regurgitated some of it, and people give him credit. That's what some say.

Something dodgy about those eyes.

[thirdwave]

He as denied being a Rosicrucian on his forum and also denied all links that the idiots have accused him of, while openly conversing on his forum.

and there is yet to be any substantial evidence he is any of the accused.

My bet is he knows and may have some friends who have been or are in secret orders... but the way people imply he is working for the elite is bullshit IMO.

and is 95% pushed by religious people who cant deal with certain truths.

[metacomet]

My bet is he knows and may have some friends who have been or are in secret orders... but the way people imply he is working for the elite is bullshit IMO.

and is 95% pushed by religious people who cant deal with certain truths.

My thoughts as well.

I do accept that there are masons and 'inside agents' within the conspiracy field. These folks have been outed.

One of them released a recent seminar that many of us have watched... claiming that Obama was elected in other dimensions :rolleyes: In other words... he (Richard Hoagland?) used astrology and occult symbolism to 'prove' that Obama is 'good' or sent here by 'God'. It's hard to believe luciferians would be that out in the open with their plans unless they were trying to convince people to accept Obama as a christ-figure.

I have yet to see Tsarion ever attempt such shenanigans. He doesn't sell out to Masons, Illuminati, ... he doesn't push bogus theories to bait and trap people.

He is a genuine guy in my opinion... a researcher and great speaker. Not a sell out.

[eternal_spirit]

He as denied being a Rosicrucian on his forum and also denied all links that the idiots have accused him of, while openly conversing on his forum.

and there is yet to be any substantial evidence he is any of the accused.

My bet is he knows and may have some friends who have been or are in secret orders... but the way people imply he is working for the elite is bullshit IMO.

and is 95% pushed by religious people who cant deal with certain truths.

If he's under Masonic oath then maybe he's not gonna admit it, for fear of losing some fans.

His forum his a horrible design nothing worse than a black background bad on the eyes.

I've seen better free ware/software. cheapskate and that horrible bloomin Indian God thing eugh gordy as fuck! (why can't he get a proper forum like Icke)

Besides his bad taste in decor, which puts people off reading or joining (maybe a business plan so people will buy books instead) never seen anything on there worth reading. Mostly egos clashing and sucking up to Master Tsarion.

[metacomet]

If he's under Masonic oath then maybe he's not gonna admit it, for fear of losing some fans.


I'm usually with you eternal,

but if Tsarion was under Masonic oath he wouldn't be giving seminars on this stuff would he? :) Unless he was a sellout like Hoagland as I mentioned above.

They are so easy to spot. You don't have to 'wonder' really... insiders I mean. Agents/tools.

[eternal_spirit]

I don't think he's part of some evil plot, and don't care if he's a Rosicrucian or not.

He maybe misleading with some of his info, knowingly or not. The oaths may mean he can only say so much.

[thirdwave]

My thoughts as well.

I do accept that there are masons and 'inside agents' within the conspiracy field. These folks have been outed.

One of them released a recent seminar that many of us have watched... claiming that Obama was elected in other dimensions :rolleyes: In other words... he (Richard Hoagland?) used astrology and occult symbolism to 'prove' that Obama is 'good' or sent here by 'God'. It's hard to believe luciferians would be that out in the open with their plans unless they were trying to convince people to accept Obama as a christ-figure.

I have yet to see Tsarion ever attempt such shenanigans. He doesn't sell out to Masons, Illuminati, ... he doesn't push bogus theories to bait and trap people.

He is a genuine guy in my opinion... a researcher and great speaker. Not a sell out.

I know what you mean.... its not so hard to tell someone who is up to something either by their behaviour or random points they decide to push....

[hewrote]

the "borrowed" ideas, language, symbols, etc. the "catastrophe", thinking for or with the mind....

what if, just what if...that IS THE WAY IT IS, and he creates further polarity by trying to convince that another state of consciousness is something to aspire to.

[hewrote]

something to aspire to in yet another "then". then...being 2012, yet another symbol. a symbol of a perceived future. yet he echos the "collective" as many are looking (seeking outside of themselves) to 2012 as something significant.

[eternal_spirit]

the "borrowed" ideas, language, symbols, etc. the "catastrophe", thinking for or with the mind....

what if, just what if...that IS THE WAY IT IS, and he creates further polarity by trying to convince that another state of consciousness is something to aspire to.
Does it then become like a dogmatic religion and Tsarion is the priest moulding the minds of his followers?

[hewrote]

Does it then become like a dogmatic religion and Tsarion is the priest moulding the minds of his followers?


it has that potential, doesn't it? granted, we've all "inherited" symbols and codes that were "imposed" upon us. we inherited corn seeds too. they can unravel the genome, yet they can't cure the common cold.

consciousness speaking of another state to aspire to infers that the current one is somehow flawed. if the current one is flawed, then speaking of another one to aspire to is flawed as well.

[thirdwave]

If he's under Masonic oath then maybe he's not gonna admit it, for fear of losing some fans.

maybe so... but while there is no evidence and he does deny it, then i think it would be nothing more than idiotic and slimy to make the accusation.... just a sign of failing to deal with the information really.

His forum his a horrible design nothing worse than a black background bad on the eyes.

I've seen better free ware/software. cheapskate and that horrible bloomin Indian God thing eugh gordy as fuck! (why can't he get a proper forum like Icke)

I don't know, neither care.... as long as it works and lots of people chat there... I like the way he converses and shares links with posters and discusses new happenings and events .... not many authors do that...

Besides his bad taste in decor, which puts people off reading or joining (maybe a business plan so people will buy books instead) never seen anything on there worth reading. Mostly egos clashing and sucking up to Master Tsarion.


I don't think he would give a shit about people who choose to not join in because they don't like the decor.... From what I have seen he does not hesitate in telling morons where the door is.... why would he waste his time on people who want to challenge him rather than learn stuff they are interested in?... just to try to prevent others from doing so?... I have also Met him and had a little chat with him and he seemed decent enough to me... was not hiding away from questions...

and he has just put out his best Video yet.... the one that is not even about UFOs which a certain bullshitter was upset about.

[thirdwave]

Whats a masonic theory?

[eternal_spirit]

it has that potential, doesn't it? granted, we've all "inherited" symbols and codes that were "imposed" upon us. we inherited corn seeds too. they can unravel the genome, yet they can't cure the common cold.

consciousness speaking of another state to aspire to infers that the current one is somehow flawed. if the current one is flawed, then speaking of another one to aspire to is flawed as well.
All seems a very Masonic theory IMO. Which of course goes way back to the mystery religions.

So many sad cases wanna be the lost tribes or related/descented from the Atlanteans or Egyptians or think they'll gain their supposed enlightenment etc etc.

Big con IMO. Truth is it could always have just been a means of control and not enlightenment, give the people the dogma/carrot on a long stick and keep them busy for a lifetime.

Follow these rituals ways of thinking re-arrange your natural state of mind and replace it with what the Priesthoods want.

[hewrote]

I'm glad, that as an infant, I was fortunate enough to have had my mother "impose" the unintelligible code of "I love you" upon me.

[hewrote]

Tsarion, or the video producer, uses the swirling, swishing water and yet fails to acknowledge the inherent contradiction of Tsarion's words in contrast with the unintelligible and imposed codes and symbols he speaks of, and the implication that we've been subdued by them. isn't the "chaos" of the swishing water perfect AS IT IS. perhaps our swirling and swishing lives are also "perfect" in the same way.

[thirdwave]

I don't think he's part of some evil plot, and don't care if he's a Rosicrucian or not.

He maybe misleading with some of his info, knowingly or not. The oaths may mean he can only say so much.

if you don't care if he is one then why a few months back did you create threads on it accusing him of being a Satanist going on and on and on... saying how he was up to no good and how stupid people where for falling for it...yadda yadda.... you actually got your self quite worked up over it and was getting wound up at me pointing out that you had no evidence and so on.... you kept sending all those pictures of Paul Solomon Foundation with a triangle (oooohhhh spooky) on it and where comparing it to the rosy cross... implying that because Tsarion has affiliations with the Paul Solomon Foundation that he must be a Rosicrucian.... this thread went on for weeks...

now "you don't think he is part of some evil plot"?

what on earth are you on?

I bet you in 6 months time you will start coming out with how you think Crowley is ok.

I mean it is a possative thing that you have now changed you tune and have perhaps sorted your head out a bit.... but how about avoiding the 6 month long threads banging on about stuff you don't know before coming to a different conclusion?

If your not careful peeps might get the impression you are a troll or something..

[metacomet]

and he has just put out his best Video yet.... the one that is not even about UFOs which a certain bullshitter was upset about.

Is this video on google or anything?

[thirdwave]

Is this video on google or anything?

in high quality...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7MUGZ6JuRI

[eternal_spirit]

[quote]if you don't care if he is one then why a few months back did you create threads on it accusing him of being a Satanist LOL never called him a satanist.

going on and on and on... saying how he was up to no good and how stupid people where for falling for it...yadda yadda.... you actually got your self quite worked up over it and was getting wound up at me pointing out that you had no evidence and so on.... you kept sending all those pictures of Paul Solomon Foundation with a triangle (oooohhhh spooky) on it and where comparing it to the rosy cross... implying that because Tsarion has affiliations with the Paul Solomon Foundation that he must be a Rosicrucian.... this thread went on for weeks...
Pointed out that many of these mystery schools are founded by theosophist/Masons and the symbols connect these groups. And how did he manage to spend so much time in the San Jose Rosicrucian Lodge if he wasn't a Mason.

I told you to look into what the Rosicrucians have been through history, there's many dodgy doings and people have been involved with these groups. Set of the alarm bells for me.


now "you don't think he is part of some evil plot"?

what on earth are you on?
We know your on a baiting mission you've been trying to have an argument with me all week. Mis your sparring partner and the good old days of endless arguments that end up in the rant room or threads being closed....:D
I bet you in 6 months time you will start coming out with how you think Crowley is ok.LOL

I mean it is a possative thing that you have now changed you tune and have perhaps sorted your head out a bit.... but how about avoiding the 6 month long threads banging on about stuff you don't know before coming to a different conclusion?

If your not careful peeps might get the impression you are a troll or something..Troll you've trolled a few of my threads this week, but didn't get the reaction you wanted, so karma time. You've been had.

[thirdwave]

LOL never called him a satanist.

Cant remember the exact words... you are not an honest person so I dont expect you to admit it...


Im not going to waste my time looking for the thread but a breif look in the first one I saw gave me this line you came out with..

"The meanings of the symbols are another topic. And people will give different meanings. Don't see how this could add any weight to the issue ( just proves Tsarison's connections to the Masons) but if you're into symbology you may find some meanings.

This proves to me Truthsoulja has better knowledge than most on the issue. Tsarion followers appear to be a dumbed down bunch, I've encountered a few on here. And seen his aggressive name calling and replies the man Tsarion types up. And pushing the old new age Crowley BS is enough for me, to make up my mind, that he has way too many Masons and secret society connections."


Pointed out that many of these mystery schools are founded by theosophist/Masons and the symbols connect these groups. And how did he manage to spend so much time in the San Jose Rosicrucian Lodge if he wasn't a Mason.

lie.


I told you to look into what the Rosicrucians have been through history, there's many dodgy doings and people have been involved with these groups. Set of the alarm bells for me.

lie.

Im not going to argue about it.... anyone who has chat here a long while now will now look and see how honest you are.

[montag]

Hey guys, can we cool it? Lets not take this thread down the same road as all the others. There are plenty of other threads in conspiratainment or the rant room if you guys feel like going a few rounds together for old time sake..:D

[montag]

BTW thanks for the OP for posting, is there a link for the whole talk?

[eternal_spirit]

Hey guys, can we cool it? Lets not take this thread down the same road as all the others. There are plenty of other threads in conspiratainment or the rant room if you guys feel like going a few rounds together for old time sake..:D
:D

Fair enough, I'm done. And no I'm wise enough now to go round in circles with TW. Although he's got a nerve calling me a liar bloody liar he is. And he knows it.
quote: thirdwave
Im not going to argue about it.... anyone who has chat here a long while now will now look and see how honest you are. far more honest than you and your OTO mason buddies.

[hellosatellites]

in high quality...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7MUGZ6JuRI

Thanks for providing this link. The film is beautiful: sophisticated aesthetics and sophisticated knowledge, very well presented. Well worth watching, imo.

[clozaril]

BTW thanks for the OP for posting, is there a link for the whole talk?

here


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8545585184878490822&hl=en


edit when he talks about pluto moving it allready has, since oct/ nov 08

[thirdwave]

Thanks for providing this link. The film is beautiful: sophisticated aesthetics and sophisticated knowledge, very well presented. Well worth watching, imo.

no problem.

[elysiansix]

It doesn't matter if he is a Mason, he is telling you the truth about them. Being a Mason is no reason to distrust a person. To many people here get all bent out of shape about the Masons because of one thing, they fear anything they don't understand. If they have all these cool secrets I can't blame anyone for wanting to know them, granted pulling up your trouser leg funny handshakes and silly rituals and hats isn't my cup of tea but to each his own ya know ...lol


Being a Freemason, friend, means that he answers first and foremost to the Masonic brethren: he does what he's told.
That's why it's ESSENTIAL to know what altar people worship at, be it masons, religious icons, the outer senses, Ego, Violence or sex: that determines what they can be bribed/encouraged to do in life.

The symbolism around M Tsarion ('Tsars', Russia, the deific nature of 'Michael' suggests to me that he is yet another pawn on the chessboard of the Illuminati. Twisting the symbolism of communism/poverty/control and their Masonic Messiah around to the god state of goodness (good because it reveals all the bad and evil that just around the corner another face of the Illuminati has perpetrated.)

[eternal_spirit]

Look into Theosophy/Rosicrucians influenced by ancient Hinduism amongst other religious influences. Why else the bullshit about 2012? The end of the age of kali etc. Totally dogmatic religious influences on Theosophy which is Freemason based.

The Golden dawn, age of Aquarius yawn. New age old age claptrap.

[thirdwave]

Look into Theosophy/Rosicrucians influenced by ancient Hinduism amongst other religious influences. Why else the bullshit about 2012? The end of the age of kali etc. Totally dogmatic religious influences on Theosophy which is Freemason based.

The Golden dawn, age of Aquarius yawn. New age old age claptrap.

Im not even going to ask you to explain that lol

[pumma]

Im not even going to ask you to explain that lol
What thirdwave is saying:

New Age = Crap (spreading confusion, false hope, "guru" worship, dis-info, etc).
As David calls it the "goalkeeper" for those who aren't into Science nor Religion BS, trying to gain alternative "understanding".

But instead they are served with mist/fog that only their Guru can "teach" them.

;)

[thirdwave]

What thirdwave is saying:

New Age = Crap (spreading confusion, false hope, "guru" worship, dis-info, etc).
As David calls it the "goalkeeper" for those who aren't into Science nor Religion BS, trying to gain alternative "understanding".

But instead they are served with mist/fog that only their Guru can "teach" them.

;)

lol, that's not what thirdwave is saying at all.. far from it.

"New Age" covers way to much of a spectrum for me to be foolish enough to disregard it all... it is a tag used more by people who require to gather a load of concepts they cant fathom and stick it in a file called "New Age"... And unlike religion it has no cages and dogmas to isolate and oppress people with...and it is certainty not something that is imposed on people or taught thorough corrupt education systems, you are simply left with your own willingness to learn about stuff within it.

false hope is just another phrase for lazy souls who are too petrified to contemplate freedom let alone educate them selves spiritually.

How anyone can view all that has been tagged as "New Age" as rubbish I don't know... Speaks volumes for why most in the west are pretty much the walking dead...

[arten]

This film which was recently highlighted on DI Headline page has one MT ranting in the comments section that the maker of the film plagerised his work. PMSL


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6736722752013377089&hl=en

[thirdwave]

What is shocking is its quite clear to see that much in the "new age" has never really been made a mainstream thing... its never been taught to kids and has always been an underground thing that has never been given the time of day by official institutions... In fact in the olden days people (particularly women) were stoned, drowned or burnt alive for being into "new age" (lol, new age people from the older days!) yet most of the powerful people in the world research it and become inspired by it...

and we have no problem finding stereo types, testosterone dominated ignorance brushing it off as something they are way too "with it" to fall for, and too intelligent to be tricked by it....

But we then see some of the most powerful men and women in the world who are passionate about it.... good and bad.

I guess the real smart people in the world are the ones that manage to not get "tricked" by it and maintain their zoo type lives dictated by those who DO fall for it.... lol

It was once laughable but given the state of the world at the moment and the blatant requirement for such concepts it is now simply pathetic and embarrassing to watch.

Here we see people label me a devil worshipper and so on for being inspired by Crowley texts, and constantly warn of the dangers of how he interacted with evil spirits and evil magick... well it appears that's all very real and dangerous...

but present them positive magick and positive interaction with spirits and it is new age rubbish...

its clear to see the negative pessimistic mind sets people have, as Icke would say, "By Design"

[serenevasaline]

wow, this is the first time I have heard about Michael. Pretty interesting stuff.

Although I do wish people wouldn't put music in informative video's because I can never concentrate on word's when music is going on. I get carried away with the melody:D
Thanks, awsome find. I epecially liked the last part.

[thirdwave]

wow, this is the first time I have heard about Michael. Pretty interesting stuff.

Although I do wish people wouldn't put music in informative video's because I can never concentrate on word's when music is going on. I get carried away with the melody:D
Thanks, awsome find. I epecially liked the last part.

I know what you mean with this, I find that alto of Chris Everards Vids, very over dramatised with the effects and stuff...

that being said the quality and presentation does count for allot... for example my bro is still clueless and if i was to give him a vid to learn from.. it would have to be very polished and presentable as its the way he has been conditioned, he would take it more seriously if it was done like a pro vid rather than just a basic vid that to him anyone could do...so on...

[metacomet]

"New Age" covers way to much of a spectrum for me to be foolish enough to disregard it all...

Same. Tsarion himself highlighted how New Age is misleading in some ways. Just another label to mislead monkey-brains reliant on labels.

'Oh that's just NEW AGE hocus pocus gippiddy gooooo'

'Oh that's just LIBERAL bs'

etc. etc.

[thirdwave]

Same. Tsarion himself highlighted how New Age is misleading in some ways. Just another label to mislead monkey-brains reliant on labels.

Cmon eternal. Do your homework.

Absolutely... there is corruption everywhere in this world in every movment unfortunately, its our job to spot the genuine I guess..