Alice in Wonderland

[mo_123]

follow the white rabbit....

and

down the rabbit hole....

what do these above words or the story of alice mean to u?

[croatiancoffee]

Follow the leader all the way. Forgot Alice in Wonderland. I keep thinking Wizard of Oz :o

[astro zombie]

abandon belief, ideaologies, preconceptions, etc.

and

go for direct experiance.

[comawhite015]

Marvellous story written by an opium smoking genius.

[mo_123]

Follow the leader all the way. Forgot Alice in Wonderland. I keep thinking Wizard of Oz :o

whos the leader?

whos the white rabbit?

[mo_123]

sumone in my office just came in and said " dont let the dog see the rabbit"


:eek:

[croatiancoffee]

The white rabbit is the leader because it is leading the way..Alice is following.

In the story, the visual interpretation of the white rabbit is...a rabbit.

The rabbit could be a symbolism of unconcious mind. That is my belief.

Then Alice meets the tinman, lion and scarecrow.

[mo_123]

The white rabbit is the leader because it is leading the way..Alice is following.

In the story, the visual interpretation of the white rabbit is...a rabbit.

The rabbit could be a symbolism of unconcious mind. That is my belief.

Then Alice meets the tinman, lion and scarecrow.

shudnt that be dorothy meets the tinman , lion and scarecrow?

[mo_123]

.................

[croatiancoffee]

That sounds better!

[universal_]

How deep in the rabbit hole does one want to go?....only you set limitations for your experience of this matrix world.

[debs67gb]

matrix :)

[gorgeousgertie]

a ride at blackpool pleasure beach

[debs67gb]

lmao gorgeous i darent go on those i dont have a head for heights

[gorgeousgertie]

me neither, I just sit in the little cat cars and shut my eyes hehehehehe!

[debs67gb]

Lol

[mo_123]

a ride at blackpool pleasure beach

which ride?

[gorgeousgertie]

the Alice in wonderland ride.
its like a ghost train except not ghosts its the basic story of alice in wonderland, its about 100 years old or something hehehe!

[octopusrex]

I´m betting on old slang for morphine or heroin.

[dreamweaver]

I'm slightly worried about some of the hidden meanings in Alice in Wonderland, knowing Lewis Carroll's obsession with the pre-pubescent Alice Liddell and his hobby of photographing naked young girls.

I'm not saying he was definitely a paedo, the jury is still very much out on that one, but I wonder if phrases like "down the rabbit hole" might have had less savoury meanings.

[lord summerisle]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9HmJQyS8QVw

[1977]

Alice in Wonderland is the story of the Soul fallen into the "dreamworld we believe to be real," to quote the blurb from this very site. Think "Cupid and Psyche."

But there are mind-boggling levels of interpretation and allegory that can be found that the work. The Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice's_Adventures_in_Wonderland) page alone notes references to mathematics, linguistics, and history; and I suspect that it is only scratching the surface.

I would suggest that the rabbit is (a) Time, the Mithraic Æon of Chronos; (b) sex (i.e., "fucking like rabbits") that lures the Soul into the world. The Queen of Hearts is the Whore of Babylon.

'How doth the little crocodile
Improve his shining tail,
And pour the waters of the Nile
On every golden scale!

And on and on. But I need to read it again to refresh my memory. It is certainly not to be taken lightly.

[mo_123]

Alice in Wonderland is the story of the Soul fallen into the "dreamworld we believe to be real," to quote the blurb from this very site. Think "Cupid and Psyche."

But there are mind-boggling levels of interpretation and allegory that can be found that the work. The Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice's_Adventures_in_Wonderland) page alone notes references to mathematics, linguistics, and history; and I suspect that it is only scratching the surface.

I would suggest that the rabbit is (a) Time, the Mithraic Æon of Chronos; (b) sex (i.e., "fucking like rabbits") that lures the Soul into the world. The Queen of Hearts is the Whore of Babylon.

And on and on. But I need to read it again to refresh my memory. It is certainly not to be taken lightly.


interesting viewpoint....i kinda agree...after rading the wiki page...but i rekon there is lots more to it...

for example... after i made this post yesterday...

sumone came in my office and said dont show the dog the rabbit...

what do u think they meant by saying this?

[comawhite015]

for example... after i made this post yesterday...

sumone came in my office and said dont show the dog the rabbit...

what do u think they meant by saying this?

Why don't you ask *them*?

[kweli]

Marvellous story written by an opium smoking genius.

A marvelous story maybe, (there were an awful lot of opium smoking genuises around that period, mainly inspired by Thomas De Quincey's book - Confessions of an English Opium-Eater) but was the Rev Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (pen name Lewis Carroll) a paedophile? most of his biographies suggest he was. I obviously can't prove that he was so i'll not jump on the 'Patron St of Paedophiles' bandwagon, my mind is open on this one.

[mo_123]

Why don't you ask *them*?

no point...wasnt said to me...was said to a colleague...but coincidence is strange once again

[dreamweaver]

A marvelous story maybe, (there were an awful lot of opium smoking genuises around that period, mainly inspired by Thomas De Quincey's book - Confessions of an English Opium-Eater) but was the Rev Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (pen name Lewis Carroll) a paedophile? most of his biographies suggest he was. I obviously can't prove that he was so i'll not jump on the 'Patron St of Paedophiles' bandwagon, my mind is open on this one.
Yep, I raised this in an earlier post too. He did have some hobbies that would raise eyebrows today - but it's so hard to be certain because the Victorian era was so different to today. Last thing I would want is the Lazy Town thread all over again.

[resistance]

Whoops wrong thread..lol

[jesuitsdidit]

sumone in my office just came in and said " dont let the dog see the rabbit"


:eek:

mind control technology??

[mo_123]

mind control technology??

god knows

[1977]

I re-read Alice in Wonderland the other day, and I have been looking around for books that accurately analyze what Alice in Wonderland is actually about:

Amazon.com: Behind the Looking Glass (9781847184863): Sherry L. Ackerman: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418sogEqGtL.@@AMEPARAM@@418sogEqGtL

Behind the Looking Glass offers a fresh perspective in the ongoing, contemporary deconstruction of the Carroll Myth. Through rigorous examination of numerous myths that have been hitherto unquestioned, Ackerman skillfully positions Lewis Carroll in the theological and philosophical contexts of his time. She uncovers a Carroll whose radical religio-philosophical counter-response to patriarchal materialism moved his intellectual journey, intentionally or otherwise, deep into the waters of mysticism. The image of Carroll as a dreary Victorian conservative gives way to that of a man with wide intellectual parameters, an inquiring mind and bold, far-sighted vision. Behind the Looking Glass demonstrates how nineteenth century currents of spiritualism, theosophy and occult philosophy co-mingled with Carroll's interest in revived Platonism and Neoplatonism, showcasing the Alice and Sylvie and Bruno books as unique points of conjunction between Carroll's intellect and spirituality. The scholarship in this work, while rigorous, is softly mixed with the kind of academic frivolity that Carroll himself might have enjoyed. Ackerman exposes a Carroll who, having lost belief in the theological and mythological master plots of earlier eras, turned toward the imaginative fiction of wonderlands rife with philosophical content in response to his instinctive hunger for cosmic coherence and existential order.

Ackerman's overarching thesis is that Lewis Carroll intentionally obscured esoteric philosophy in his children's literature. She argues that Carroll used myth, primarily through his _Alice_ books, in much the same way that Plato used myth to introduce ancient, esoteric philosophical teachings. She provides an historical sketch of what she calls "the Platonic Revival of the late nineteenth century" in England (tracing it back to the Cambridge Platonists), positioning Carroll--by way of his own diary entries and personal correspondence--right in the center of the movement.


So it took over one hundred and forty-three years, but someone in the academic community finally figured it out!

Check out the author's web site here: http://www.lewiscarrollmyth.com/

“Some of the magical brilliance of Lewis Carroll—starting with his own self-invention—lay in his command of the esoteric craft of hiding secrets in plain sight. To bring them to light calls for a writer who mirrors Charles Dodgson's formidable combination of scholarly erudition and spiritual passion. Meet Sherry Ackerman. She is as well-informed about the mathematics and physics of the late 19th century as she is in its art, literature, photography, and competing university agendas of Enlightenment and Romanticism.”

—Peter Manchester, Associate Professor of Philosophy, SUNY Stony Brook, Past President North American International Society for Neoplatonic Studies; author of Syntax of Time: The Phenomenology of Time in Greek Physics and Speculative Logic from Iamblichus to Anaximander

“Forget psychoanalysis. Western esotericism is where the key to Lewis Carroll's Alice books has been all along and Sherry Ackerman has found it, polished it up, and reopened the real 'little door in the wall.'”

—Joscelyn Godwin, Professor of Music, Colgate University; author of The Theosophical Enlightenment and The Pagan Dream of the Renaissance

“In Carroll’s mystical symbolism, Sherry Ackerman finds the efforts of the human soul to acquire knowledge of its true self (gnosis). This philosophic self-knowledge, she argues, is essentially different from other kinds of scientific knowledge that are based on empirical data, rational calculations or inductive generalizations.”

—Christos C. Evangeliou, Professor of Hellenic Philosophy, Towson University;


Much more here: http://ccwe.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/sherry-ackerman-ph-d-looking-for-lewis-carroll/