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nwoexposer
23-01-2009, 09:03 AM
because I do not trust doctors, I do not trust psychologists and psychiatrists, I do not trust telephone counseling (for the most part), I do not trust most mainstream remedies to health but more specifically mental health problems.

Allow me to explain my story...

I've often had unexplainable fears throughout my life, most of those fears consisting of fears that something awful will happen and social fears. I'm always weary and fearful of what other people think, no matter how much I want to let go of that fear.

Over 4 years ago (when I was 14) a psychiatrist prescribed me antidepressant drugs and I was on them for like 1 year or so. After that I was on a different drug for 2 years. The results were disastrous, I hardly left the house at all and it obviously didn't cure my fears. I decided to stop taking them in June of 2007, I noticed immediate improvements, I no longer feared going out on my own as much and actually went out. Withdrawal was extremely difficult though. However in 2008, more specifically, NYE 2007, I started drinking alcohol for the first time in my life. It had positive effects to begin with. In the early months of 2008 I began to be awoken to David Icke's knowledge on the nature of reality and that dramatically changed my outlook and perspective on life. It should be noted however that for a while now that I've often forced myself to reasearch NWO material (against my will) in fear that I may not be awoken to the agenda enough. It's part of my OCD I believe. It's been extremely paralyzing and has limited my freedom. However, mid 2008 I began drinking again and I noticed negative effects arising, unlike the first time I had it. The OCD has gone away (for ages), it had gone away not too long after I stopped taking the drugs, basically getting off the Zoloft gave me the power to overcome my OCD urges. But alcohol made it come back again. I kept drinking occasionally throughout 2008, especially with peer pressure from a friend of mine. My intuition kept telling me not to drink but my mind kept telling me things like I should drink because everyone else is doing it, etc.

Basically since mid-2008, my life has been going downhill again. At the moment I'm often depressed and having severe thoughts of ending my life. I feel the only way I can express is through the David Icke Forums as I'm talking with like minded people.

ALL my problems include: not being happy where I live (the suburb, Melbourne, Australia), fear (social primarily but other fears), OCD and urges to do things against my will or knowing in general, diet (not eating the right foods, being hungry, etc.) and believing that I have to researching the NWO against my will to gain something (much like work).

I would like everyone's opinion on what I could do to help cure my mind problems, the fear and urges I get. This may include natural remedies, diet improvement, etc. I am thinking about getting a detox and bowel cleanse but concerned that it may cost a lot of money.

Also advice on how I can not feel lonely and be able to have people to go with on outings other than a few limited friends of mine would be great too.

I urgently need your assistance. I am getting better but I'm not so great at the moment.

Thanks for reading.

rebel 66
23-01-2009, 10:40 AM
Aw sh*t man, you are so young, your whole life ahead, just wanna reach out and hug you.

You are strong can tell from your post and know that suicide is not the answer, ever.

So much stress for you young folk, does not seem right.

Bowen Therapy may help, ask a therapist if they would take you on as a case study either free or at a reduced price, being a bit cheeky often pays.

Folk can give advise but only you can fight this but you do need support are there no therapists in Melbourne that would just sit and listen to you and offer suggestions not drugs.

You are already searching for your road to recovery so you took the first step.

Anyway just wanted you to know you are not alone, even though at opposite ends of the earth I love you.

carole21
23-01-2009, 10:41 AM
hello, I dont know what to say, have you seen a counsellor or are your problems of trust so bad that you cant see one? all I can say is that Im here now and I am trying to listern to you - if that helps any

nwoexposer
23-01-2009, 11:28 AM
I am well aware that I'm the only one who can fix my own problems. I wanted to post this as a one-off thing, just for any advice that can be of assistance. I hate to tell people my problems, but on the odd occasion I just have to let it go.

Thanks to you two who have posted advice and I look forward for more to come. I'm a well meaning individual who is having a rough time and not seeking sympathy in anyway. All I want is practical, real solutions to my problems and other people (who weren't caught in the system) have helped me in the past in immense ways.

lightblessins
23-01-2009, 11:29 AM
hey, bless you for coming forth with your issues, i pray n bless you that you over come them and go on to live a happy and love filled life. iam sure you will recieve much love, support and advice, but at the end of the day the bucket stops with you and unless you are willing and able to change your life it will fall, i will help you as i will help any that ask, but its you and only you that can truely change your life.
did you also av these issues with fear or was it something that came into being at a certain age? it may of come from childhood or even carried over from a past life. i feel for you in many ways, iim also not to much of a fan of where i live and i to wish to move, lucky for me ive found somewhere i wish to move to, it will take time and money, but with focus and a positive mind fame i know for sure that i will get there, fact! so i suggest to u that if your not happy with where your living, search the world for somewhere you would love to live and make a plan to get yourself there. i wouldnt say i fear society but iam not a fan of it, i beleive the more time you spend by yourself the hard it is for you to be apart of any type of society as you are lacking in communication and social skills. if you've had mental health issues in the past and at present then i suggested you take a real good,hard honest look inside of yourself to see if you can find any answers, even if it small it could lead you to your truth, dont doubt yourself, no one knows yourself better then you, you are your own answer. to also help this i would suggest you start to maintain a healthy life style, i beleive, practise and av realised that having a healthy mind, body and soul is important to my inner peace and happy being. there is absolutely shit loads you could do in this department, the list is endless, but the advice that i gaive to any1 i come across with any health issues what so ever is to drink healthy water, kiss tap water good bye its crap and is only useful for clean your underpants! i love water its one of my ocd!:D plz check out my vid if u wish to know more. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ9OsNWscLs
i know alot of poeple av always felt like killing them selves, me included but like me dad always said to of you really wanted to kill yourself you would already be dead by now, which your not, which means you still beleive in yourself and still beleive that there is away for you to live a happy life. i would also suggest doin what makes u feel happy, u shouldnt feel like need to keep researching into the illuminati, ascension etc if you dont like it then fuck it off, im slao pissing poeple off coz if i get bored of something or some1 i dont spend any time satin good bye or draggin it out im just off. on the other hand maybe that voice in your head is there for a reason mybe theres something u need to do here, keep searching, the truth is out there, but remeber your truth is always inside you! i better stop rantting on i dont wanna keep goin off on 1, so peace be with you, konw you are never alone, there is far to much live in this cosmos for you to ever be alone.i beleive in you! :)

carole21
23-01-2009, 11:39 AM
have you tried looking at really big things like the ocean, mountains, sky, they have a way of making a person seem small but that also makes their problems small. sort of puts them in perspective like a very little part of a very big pictue. and there is also the healing power of nature and all that.

ustane
23-01-2009, 12:07 PM
Hi, it is obvious those psychiatric drugs don't do anyone any good and you don't need them. I know how you feel, I too am not happy presently where I live, and a yucky dark cloud that sort of hovers when I wake up in the morning only disperses when I concentrate on this strong intuitive urge to move and do the things I must do that make my heart sing and which makes me feel alive whenever I put out an intent. It's all the crap that surrounds you. I'm often with not enough money, cold and with not enough to eat and angry at the NWO with those who exploit us and make us feel powerless, and scared, and used drink (wine only) to clarify my thoughts, and feel the spirit I am, but it's best to drink plenty of filtered purified water. One day you will probably not worry about what others think anymore I don't. You do not need to drink out of peer pressure. And energy flows where attention goes. Intention sets things in motion. When you put out an intent of what you want (for by being stared in the face by all those ugly things you don't want, you summon a desire for what you do want, you would experience it as a warm feeling) - you then summon universal energy. And a chain of synchronistic events or signs follow. Goodle 'law of attraction', there are many excellent books that show you how you can change your thoughts and emotions at will and draw to you what you want - (remember you draw what you don't want by default whenever you are vibrating depression and fear). It's an effort but you can manifest what you want whenever you feel motivated. If you have any money get Abraham Hicks books 'Ask And It Is Given', 'The Law Of Attraction' ; and Wayne W. Dyer's 'Manifest Your Destiny'; and also Lynn Grabhorn's 'Excuse Me, Your Life Is Waiting' (brilliant); they pulled me out of a dark pit, in 2007 and I received an unexpected lump sum of about £800 from overpaid water bills. It's maintaining a habit though, and keeping up the will power. David Ickes books, and listening to him, did a lot for me, put everything in their true perspective. Don't let others create your reality when they tell you what you can't do. People are controlled by money and fear of survival and they put out the idea that we can't do anything about our 'lot' when we are really Source energy that can. Those in control want to keep us in this low vibration. I am glad I saw your post so I could help you in any way I could. I hit on it by chance searching here for an answer to my recent all-over-the-body itching which has been driving me mad and has no obvious cause. I am convinced now it may be similar to the part of your situation where you have like 'itchy feet' and want out, want to be somewhere else. Louise Hay's books list from A to Z all the symptoms in your body with each emotional/mental cause. On Amazon.com many of these books are going cheap as they are used/second hand. Peace.

Ratiocinator
23-01-2009, 04:04 PM
Consider fasting, either on juice you have made yourself or just water. Read about it first (there are many e-books online), and make sure you understand it.

unimatrix0
23-01-2009, 09:16 PM
Hi,
I've had many of the same problems throughout my life. The teenage years were by far the most difficult.
It's a spiritual problem, but also a physical one. I couldn't deal with facing reality or the questions I have about life until I felt better physically. The biggest lifesaver for me has been exercise. You need to find what kind of exercise works for you; I personally love intense workouts. It releases endorphins and I feel great and have more energy overall. I've also been making small changes in my diet (making too many at once is too difficult for me). I'm eating more onions and garlic which help fight infections. It's also really important to get enough omega 3; it really helps regulate mood.
I have found one doctor who takes a natural approach to overall healing and have found him to be motivating.
Here's one of his many videos. This one's about detox:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=nctmkYzc8s0

Also, is it possible that you're an empath? I pick everything up and it's caused a lot of fear and depression. But it can also be a good thing. :)
http://healing.about.com/cs/empathic/a/uc_empathtraits.htm

big_al
23-01-2009, 10:13 PM
You dont need anyone's help urgently. The advice people will give you here will settle you for a while then you will allow the thoughts to creep back in. That's how OCD thinking goes. You need to break the cycle.

The answer lies within you and you alone. You can listen to your irrational thoughts or you can dismiss them as just that-irrational thoughts and let them fade. You have the choice.

hordeari
23-01-2009, 10:24 PM
I agree with unimatrix0, find a sport-hobby and get into that, like some clubs or organisations related to some sport ...

and food is important also, i don't know what u eat but supermarkets are full of junk, try organic or some locally grown stuff from ppl you know... less toxins in your body

take for instance cycling, but any other recreational category that use your body, and mind too ;)

and omega3 as somebody said, richest omega3 food is flax seeds! and salmon ofcourse but that fish if its the real deal is very expensive, so try to find golden oranic flax seeds, grind them up little bit and enjoy :)

grachtengordel
23-01-2009, 10:52 PM
I've often had unexplainable fears throughout my life, most of those fears consisting of fears that something awful will happen and social fears. I'm always weary and fearful of what other people think, no matter how much I want to let go of that fear.

I understand, I have had similar experience, I am still struggling with fear and I am 35 years old . The important thing is that you are communicating this , which WILL help reduce the fear, make it something tangible that you CAN deal with.

It is important to not be in DENIAL. Beleive me, many, many people are so fearful, most of the strange vanities and conciets people have are just fears. Fear makes people do dumb things, they can't help it, they don't even know they are doing it because of fear because they are in DENIAL.

I just try and work on my perception every day, be vigilant against the constant barrage of media images/messages/programming, all that shit to appeal to the ego, separate us from our SELF and make us feel inadequate if we don't own xyz.

You will be O.K. man, fear is so easy to conquer if one has the right perception, and not a false perception, like using NLP 'tricks' to 'fool' your mind or 'EGO' that it is fearless. No, you must accept and forgive your SELF, realise that you are a good person, you DO have choice, you DO have self determination, and you have much to give this world.

infinite tea
23-01-2009, 10:58 PM
Hey NWOexposer,

Your post sounds familiar - I might have written the same thing 3 years ago :-) I have a few questions, if they ring a bell and you want to talk further feel free to pm me.

Did you ever here the phrase "we are One" and wonder what it meant?

Did you ever feel as though your fears are almost a premonition of some challenge you will be confronted with?

Do you have an interest in the spiritual but an aversion to dogma?

Do you find it hard to comprehend how people can live shallow lives?

Do you see unhappiness in people who would claim to be happy?

Are you highly sensitive and intuitive?

Do you feel most comfortable in the company of misfits?

Have you ever practised meditation at a Buddhist centre?

Have you ever read the bhagavad gita, the tao te ching or the gnostic gospels?

Did you watch the Matrix and Vanilla Sky?

Have you watched "the secret" and found out about the law of attraction?

Have you seen "what the bleep do we know?" or researched quantum theory?



It sounds as though you are a man of destiny, these tests you are working through are an essential part of your development - everything is exactly as it should be. You are learning to master yourself and have chosen this path for yourself - take everything that comes your way and know that through it you are growing into something amazing. When you are feeling down or desperate meditate and sink into these feelings and start to see that they cannot harm you - you may feel energy shifting as you let go, you may feel fear but face it and it will leave you. Buddhist centres are great places to learn meditation in safe and friendly surroundings with no pressure to convert i've found.
All fear is in the mind - meditation is a great way to start finding out about yourself :-)

astrochicken
23-01-2009, 11:26 PM
People don't hug enough.

Here ya go.. here's a big *hug* all the way to melbourne.

boots
24-01-2009, 10:03 AM
Hi nwoexposer,

As one of my friends on here. I'm very concerned for you. If you are fearing the state of the world or people in general then try the opposite and just feel love for those things, push yourself to do this with no fear of the consequences. David Icke had to do it and from all accounts his a down to earth bloke. Eat healthy and take some Herbalife cellular nutrition if you can't afford that, then eat a balanced diet meat, vegetable or rice as that is cheap ;). Go for walks as much as you can.

Don't drink booze as it is a depressant, the first few might make you feel OK but the after affects, as you probably know aren't the best.

Now I hope not to seem harsh, but you have 2 choices for your life be as happy as you can for the rest of it or be the way you are now. I had those choices once too.

You are the master;) I find this little phrase I can say to myself which brings back all my power and it's I choose not to think like that or I choose not to be depressed or I choose not to fear. You have the power nwoexposer.

And dont you ever leave us, we need people like you.

As the Icke event gets closer, we can meet up or PM me and we can swap details or just chat. I'm no different to you mate so dont fear me, lol.


.

cafetimes1991
24-01-2009, 10:19 AM
Yes, this decade has been very depressing for me, as a teenager. In fact, I summarised the end of my 2007 journal with the word depression on 31 December 2007.
I have to say that David Icke really helped me. I learned that being free and following my own path were good things. Very good things.
I looked outward as well as inward, and became immersed in learning languages, handing out NWO exposing leaflets etc. Not that I ignored my frequent feelings of inadequecy and depression.
Exercise helps with depression, as I'm sure you have heard. I walk my springer spaniel when I can. Also, here's an extract from an interesting article I found on about.com. I take natural vitamins daily which I get from my local health food shop...
Did you ever wish that you could take a vitamin for depression? Well, for some of you it may be just that simple. There are a variety of vitamin deficiencies that can lead to depression symptoms.

The B-Complex Vitamins

The B-complex vitamins are essential to mental and emotional well-being. They cannot be stored in our bodies, so we depend entirely on our daily diet to supply them. B vitamins are destroyed by alcohol, refined sugars, nicotine, and caffeine so it is no surprise that many people may be deficient in these.

Here's a rundown of recent finding about the relationship of B-complex vitamins to depression:

Vitamin B1 (thiamine): The brain uses this vitamin to help convert glucose, or blood sugar, into fuel, and without it the brain rapidly runs out of energy. This can lead to fatigue, depression, irritability, anxiety, and even thoughts of suicide. Deficiencies can also cause memory problems, loss of appetite, insomnia, and gastrointestinal disorders. The consumption of refined carbohydrates, such as simple sugars, drains the body's B1 supply.
Vitamin B3 (niacin): Pellagra-which produces psychosis and dementia, among other symptoms-was eventually found to be caused by niacin deficiency. Many commercial food products now contain niacin, and pellagra has virtually disappeared. However, subclinical deficiencies of vitamin B3 can produce agitation and anxiety, as well as mental and physical slowness.
Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid): Symptoms of deficiency are fatigue, chronic stress, and depression. Vitamin B5 is needed for hormone formation and the uptake of amino acids and the brain chemical acetylcholine, which combine to prevent certain types of depression.
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine): This vitamin aids in the processing of amino acids, which are the building blocks of all proteins and some hormones. It is needed in the manufacture of serotonin, melatonin and dopamine. Vitamin B6 deficiencies, although very rare, cause impaired immunity, skin lesions, and mental confusion. A marginal deficiency sometimes occurs in alcoholics, patients with kidney failure, and women using oral contraceptives. MAOIs, ironically, may also lead to a shortage of this vitamin. Many nutritionally oriented doctors believe that most diets do not provide optimal amounts of this vitamin.
Vitamin B12: Because vitamin B12 is important to red blood cell formation, deficiency leads to an oxygen-transport problem known as pernicious anemia. This disorder can cause mood swings, paranoia, irritability, confusion, dementia, hallucinations, or mania, eventually followed by appetite loss, dizziness, weakness, shortage of breath, heart palpitations, diarrhea, and tingling sensations in the extremities. Deficiencies take a long time to develop, since the body stores a three- to five-year supply in the liver. When shortages do occur, they are often due to a lack of intrinsic factor, an enzyme that allows vitamin B12 to be absorbed in the intestinal tract. Since intrinsic factor diminishes with age, older people are more prone to B12 deficiencies.
Folic acid: This B vitamin is needed for DNA synthesis. It is also necessary for the production of SAM (S-adenosyl methionine). Poor dietary habits contribute to folic acid deficiencies, as do illness, alcoholism, and various drugs, including aspirin, birth control pills, barbiturates, and anticonvulsants. It is usually administered along with vitamin B12, since a B12 deficiency can mask a folic acid deficiency. Pregnant women are often advised to take this vitamin to prevent neural tube defects in the developing fetus.

With solidarity from a fellow teenager, in Ireland,

Brian :)

gorgeousgertie
24-01-2009, 11:07 AM
bugger you feel this way......
just to reiterate a lot of whats been said above get exercise, eat healthily (common sense, you know what your doing!), get out there with the friends you have and do things you like but also get out there and do new things too!

i notice you mention alcohol...well alcohol can create exectly what you describe so that might be worth looking at...dontr know where you are but in the uk there are several different types of self help groups who are full of great people who can give you support and maybe become friends, give you ideas etc maybe?

But......the best way I can think of is just to take one day a a time and get out there and do things that you want to do no matter how hard this is, do things on your own if you have to, just get out there and do this because this is the most effective way I know of getting out of 'ruts', remember the old thing 'the only thing to fear is fear itself' or whatever it is!
Times might not always be easy but from this comes strength.....and I htink maybe for you once you realise by 'doing' just exactly how strong and focused you are your 'fears' will become irrelevant as they will be replaced by other things in your concious mind which are far more intereting and fun to you!
Experience the hard times, goo through them because you will take so much from them.
Just get out there....trust yourself and go for it!!!!!!!!
I get your distrust totally cos I share it too.......but.......if you go to a private hypnotherapist or someone who has no 'state' agenda, maybe someone on here can reccommend somethin to where you are or whatever but this can effectively and quickly help you get out of the 'cycle' or 'program of fear' you are running at conciously at the present to get you where you want you to be, because that is up to you!
I THink reading your post confidence will help you, so go out there and do things and get this cos you dont get confidence by thinking about it, meditation and affermations will all help but reaLLY JUST GET OUT THERE AND DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
And dont spend to much time on pc's and forums and chat......limit yourself to so long a day....for obvious reasons!!!!

zilky
24-01-2009, 11:23 AM
Hey NWOExposer,

Understand first and foremost that so-called 'mental illness' is a myth!
I am not sure if you are familiar with such an assertion, but I urge you to really explore about this. I will help you do this.
This culture's central controlling myth IS the myth of mental illness, and they will try and convince you that whatever emotional disturbance you have, or 'not-normal' behaviour is a biological disease/disorder. And from there they will push drugs on you that are supposed to be a 'treatment' but really are not.

Please checkout my blog where I am discussing all this, presently in an article called 'Antipsychiatry, Scientology, and Psychedelic Healing' http://intothefaerywoods.blogspot.com
(and no I am not a scientologist, or into scientology, as the blog will explain!)

I am glad you came off those pharma drugs! I hope you also come off the booze, as that most certainly won't help. It may SEEM to, but in reality alcohol is a poison, and when nyou get into that trip, of using it as a bodymind-number, then all other problems will happen. One terrible one is to your liver. Please respect your organism, man. Understand it. The liver organ is there to filter out poisons from the body. But when it is all the time having to be workin workin workin workin tryin to cope with the poisons from alcohol, etc it can become diseased, and here's the real terror of this: you don't know the damage doe till it's too late. Because you don't usually don't get the warning signals till it is seriousl damaged.
So I really really urge you to kill drinkin in the bud. Don't feel the need to do what your friends do. So-called 'peer-pressure is also conformity on part of one imagining they have to do so and so to fit in

Eat well. Try and eat organic. This is not only good for your health, but health for wildlife, and planet earth. So see the bigger picture. That is really healing when you begin feeling your connection with nature
Also drink good filtered water. Water is a magical liquid. The only liquid/staple of life that really rehydrates the organism

You say you hate where you at, in the suburbs? Well WHILST there, begin when walking round looking at the trees, wildlife. Become aware of the BEAUTY of where you live. It's weasy when you feel down, and a bit self-obsessed to be dull to all that

If you need to talk with another person about very personal problems, try a Person Centred Counsellor. These people really listen, and they can help you express feelings to someone with trust

Get excercise that suits you. IF you dont want to go to a gym, and I wouldn't blame you. Invest in some weights you can keep in your bedroom, and do a workout 3 times a week. You can play your own music that gives you the energy. Also lots of healthy excercise outside for cardiovascular and spiritual health

I would love to talk with you on Skype if you like. Only thing is you in Oz, me in UK............It could be a morning thing hehe, which'd be a night time for you? or vice versa. I feel this form of communication's alright, but actual voice is deeper. Anyhow I will contact you via pm

G'day mate ;)

xpleet
24-01-2009, 11:43 AM
Nwoexposer,

I have had similiar difficulties. Severe fears were implanted in me as a result of traumatic experiences of neglectance for example. This happened for deeper, spiritual reasons, not in any way as a part of any kind of mind-engeering program as it might sound.

Once I understood that this was done deliberately by mischevious powers, it gave me evermore power and as I also started acknowledging the demonic, hidden hand behind life. This is not paranoia! There are fulltime employed forces working to destroy one's life, the underlying purpose is to try and break the spirit. If we see this, it becomes very obvious that we can also take control back of our minds and let our higher selves, not the mischevious, external forces pull the strings of it.
The various false new-age beliefsystems that wander around might often restrain one more than anything else and cause confusion when their falsehood is discovered. White-washing will not improve anything but create an artificial, false-reality in one's head like a bubble that will painfully burst sooner later.
You should understand that LOA just like Karma do not apply fairly and justly in this world and that fear is not to blaim as a reason to 'attract' these forces. Even if Karma is worked out against you it is still far from justice. These forces are opportunistic and pray on weakness, they are not justified.

The more you get in tune with your higher self, and the guidance from your higher self (NOT "spirit guides"), the more your fear on the inner levels will dissipate. The outer, physical body fear might still remain, depending on your programming and mental-health status.

These are the critical points to realize in order to take your own power back.



I would not recommend getting in any special activities to try and overshadow your deficiencies and facing this - sports is really only draining your energy, the body should be just in shape and operable for what you desire to do, nothing more.

Suicide takes away these, your worldly issues and problems but it is not a longterm solution because, as you likely ended up caught in the astral systems, you would likely be aswell forced to reincarnate.

As a general non-personal advise, shield yourself when you are in public, take hightened alert when they spray with chemtrails over your area and evade avoidable toxicities.

Take note and be blessed in thy efforts on the way home.

nwoexposer
24-01-2009, 12:56 PM
Yes, this decade has been very depressing for me, as a teenager. In fact, I summarised the end of my 2007 journal with the word depression on 31 December 2007.
I have to say that David Icke really helped me. I learned that being free and following my own path were good things. Very good things.
I looked outward as well as inward, and became immersed in learning languages, handing out NWO exposing leaflets etc. Not that I ignored my frequent feelings of inadequecy and depression.
Exercise helps with depression, as I'm sure you have heard. I walk my springer spaniel when I can. Also, here's an extract from an interesting article I found on about.com. I take natural vitamins daily which I get from my local health food shop...
Did you ever wish that you could take a vitamin for depression? Well, for some of you it may be just that simple. There are a variety of vitamin deficiencies that can lead to depression symptoms.

The B-Complex Vitamins

The B-complex vitamins are essential to mental and emotional well-being. They cannot be stored in our bodies, so we depend entirely on our daily diet to supply them. B vitamins are destroyed by alcohol, refined sugars, nicotine, and caffeine so it is no surprise that many people may be deficient in these.

Here's a rundown of recent finding about the relationship of B-complex vitamins to depression:

Vitamin B1 (thiamine): The brain uses this vitamin to help convert glucose, or blood sugar, into fuel, and without it the brain rapidly runs out of energy. This can lead to fatigue, depression, irritability, anxiety, and even thoughts of suicide. Deficiencies can also cause memory problems, loss of appetite, insomnia, and gastrointestinal disorders. The consumption of refined carbohydrates, such as simple sugars, drains the body's B1 supply.
Vitamin B3 (niacin): Pellagra-which produces psychosis and dementia, among other symptoms-was eventually found to be caused by niacin deficiency. Many commercial food products now contain niacin, and pellagra has virtually disappeared. However, subclinical deficiencies of vitamin B3 can produce agitation and anxiety, as well as mental and physical slowness.
Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid): Symptoms of deficiency are fatigue, chronic stress, and depression. Vitamin B5 is needed for hormone formation and the uptake of amino acids and the brain chemical acetylcholine, which combine to prevent certain types of depression.
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine): This vitamin aids in the processing of amino acids, which are the building blocks of all proteins and some hormones. It is needed in the manufacture of serotonin, melatonin and dopamine. Vitamin B6 deficiencies, although very rare, cause impaired immunity, skin lesions, and mental confusion. A marginal deficiency sometimes occurs in alcoholics, patients with kidney failure, and women using oral contraceptives. MAOIs, ironically, may also lead to a shortage of this vitamin. Many nutritionally oriented doctors believe that most diets do not provide optimal amounts of this vitamin.
Vitamin B12: Because vitamin B12 is important to red blood cell formation, deficiency leads to an oxygen-transport problem known as pernicious anemia. This disorder can cause mood swings, paranoia, irritability, confusion, dementia, hallucinations, or mania, eventually followed by appetite loss, dizziness, weakness, shortage of breath, heart palpitations, diarrhea, and tingling sensations in the extremities. Deficiencies take a long time to develop, since the body stores a three- to five-year supply in the liver. When shortages do occur, they are often due to a lack of intrinsic factor, an enzyme that allows vitamin B12 to be absorbed in the intestinal tract. Since intrinsic factor diminishes with age, older people are more prone to B12 deficiencies.
Folic acid: This B vitamin is needed for DNA synthesis. It is also necessary for the production of SAM (S-adenosyl methionine). Poor dietary habits contribute to folic acid deficiencies, as do illness, alcoholism, and various drugs, including aspirin, birth control pills, barbiturates, and anticonvulsants. It is usually administered along with vitamin B12, since a B12 deficiency can mask a folic acid deficiency. Pregnant women are often advised to take this vitamin to prevent neural tube defects in the developing fetus.

With solidarity from a fellow teenager, in Ireland,

Brian :)

I take a lot of B1 already, however I do not take the B Complex anymore as I felt it wasn't helpful, but I have considered trying it again. Thanks.

nwoexposer
24-01-2009, 01:41 PM
I drink a lot of bottled water, could that be harmful? I have heard that the estrogen in the plastic can make you more effeminate but how bad is it really? Are Berkey Filters effective? Has anyone got one? Because I'm seriously doubting whether they're economically worth it.

It should be noted that I HAVE been using my mobile phone a lot lately and against my ear. Could this cause mental problems outside of plecebo?

I've also done the same with the home cordless phone (DECT).

An important question... to what extent does one's physical health (that includes: food, hydration, hygiene/bathing, clothing, comfort, sleep and sleep patterns, vitamins, etc. contribute to one's mental and emotional wellbeing? Because my friend says that's in my my mind and that you should be able to eat any crap and not let it affect you, says it's plecebo.

Am I right in saying that if one is mentally ill, depressed or in fear or whatever, it's not effecting consciousness in anyway, but merely their body?

big_al
24-01-2009, 02:23 PM
Just who is in charge in you?

lifeofbrian
24-01-2009, 02:24 PM
because I do not trust doctors, I do not trust psychologists and psychiatrists, I do not trust telephone counseling (for the most part), I do not trust most mainstream remedies to health but more specifically mental health problems.

Allow me to explain my story...

I've often had unexplainable fears throughout my life, most of those fears consisting of fears that something awful will happen and social fears. I'm always weary and fearful of what other people think, no matter how much I want to let go of that fear.

Over 4 years ago (when I was 14) a psychiatrist prescribed me antidepressant drugs and I was on them for like 1 year or so. After that I was on a different drug for 2 years. The results were disastrous, I hardly left the house at all and it obviously didn't cure my fears. I decided to stop taking them in June of 2007, I noticed immediate improvements, I no longer feared going out on my own as much and actually went out. Withdrawal was extremely difficult though. However in 2008, more specifically, NYE 2007, I started drinking alcohol for the first time in my life. It had positive effects to begin with. In the early months of 2008 I began to be awoken to David Icke's knowledge on the nature of reality and that dramatically changed my outlook and perspective on life. It should be noted however that for a while now that I've often forced myself to reasearch NWO material (against my will) in fear that I may not be awoken to the agenda enough. It's part of my OCD I believe. It's been extremely paralyzing and has limited my freedom. However, mid 2008 I began drinking again and I noticed negative effects arising, unlike the first time I had it. The OCD has gone away (for ages), it had gone away not too long after I stopped taking the drugs, basically getting off the Zoloft gave me the power to overcome my OCD urges. But alcohol made it come back again. I kept drinking occasionally throughout 2008, especially with peer pressure from a friend of mine. My intuition kept telling me not to drink but my mind kept telling me things like I should drink because everyone else is doing it, etc.

Basically since mid-2008, my life has been going downhill again. At the moment I'm often depressed and having severe thoughts of ending my life. I feel the only way I can express is through the David Icke Forums as I'm talking with like minded people.

ALL my problems include: not being happy where I live (the suburb, Melbourne, Australia), fear (social primarily but other fears), OCD and urges to do things against my will or knowing in general, diet (not eating the right foods, being hungry, etc.) and believing that I have to researching the NWO against my will to gain something (much like work).

I would like everyone's opinion on what I could do to help cure my mind problems, the fear and urges I get. This may include natural remedies, diet improvement, etc. I am thinking about getting a detox and bowel cleanse but concerned that it may cost a lot of money.

Also advice on how I can not feel lonely and be able to have people to go with on outings other than a few limited friends of mine would be great too.

I urgently need your assistance. I am getting better but I'm not so great at the moment.

Thanks for reading.

Hello mate. Here is your problem:

I would like everyone's opinion on what I could do to help cure my mind problems, the fear and urges I get.

Here is the help I would like to offer:

Don't give a shit what other people think. What do you think?

You are obviously a very bright person. Think for yourself. Build your self-esteem by beginning to question the idea that other people might be brighter than you. Trust me, most are not.

You'll be allright if you put your faith in you, not other people.

Trust your own senses and your own ability to discern.

All the best to you.

hordeari
24-01-2009, 02:32 PM
depends what type of person are u do you care about all these stuff are u informed about bad consequences with all this you mentioned.... i think to some level it is placebo but not all the way,

bottom line, all of the things matter :) as u get more informed it matters more cause it gets into your consciousness , but if someone believes that junk crap is not so bad maybe the effects are lesser ..bcs that person doesn't materialze all the fears (for inst.) I have when I eat industrial junk crap

all the emf pollution like dect home phone and cellular, wireless networks affects your mind, you add chemistry from food, .... and some other stuff from environment ..maybe all this is not crucial factor but surely it counts on the balance, if u ask me....

yesterday i listened to oraclebroadcasting (great network..) and they were talking about gmo and stuff, and they mentioned how Laura Bush is caught buying locally grown organic food!!! so 'the elite' knows.. they eat nie healthy food drink awesome wine and we are overwhelmed with bs

everybody creates their own reality or how would I put it.. i like food and cooking and stuff(veg.macrobiotic) and for me its important and really enjoy it, so its helping me a lot...makes me happy maybe it sounds silly :)
BUT somebody else who's not into that is not so affected by 'that' in the same measure, in my opinion; but that person has its own "thing" like some recreational sport or hobby where he rejuvenate his body and mind

or books and reading, finding good movies not NWO involved ;)
or whatever.. find your own 'den' ;)

on infowars AJ has some waterfilters, on right where the adds are, i think quality water filter costs, my parents bought some w-f because water was terrible, like 600-700eur ..its worth it..

and yeah lifeofbrian put it pretty nicely ;)

zilky
25-01-2009, 02:32 PM
An important question... to what extent does one's physical health (that includes: food, hydration, hygiene/bathing, clothing, comfort, sleep and sleep patterns, vitamins, etc. contribute to one's mental and emotional wellbeing? Because my friend says that's in my my mind and that you should be able to eat any crap and not let it affect you, says it's plecebo.

Am I right in saying that if one is mentally ill, depressed or in fear or whatever, it's not effecting consciousness in anyway, but merely their body?

Your friend sounds like an idiot. If he wants to eat crap, and imagine that has no consequence for bodymind then let him. Don't allow him to think for you. This is your life, and your body and mind so think for yourself.

Of course what you eat, getting good rest, and excercise is vitally important for the whole organism. I prefer term 'organism' because when you usually say 'body' and 'mind' this is a loaded assumption that body and mind are sperate. In fact when you research the history of ideas you find this mindfuck even with so-called great thinkers, and influencers of modern culture--all caught up in a 'mind/body' split trip.
However organism includes the body and central nervous system, and in its realtionship with the environment. So really in truth the organism can never be thought of as an isolated entity, it is ALWAYS in complete intimate relationship with the environment so much so it is an organism-environment. because without a health environment, which includes psychologically, it affects health of organism. So, example, if your living on top of open sewers, or near a busy road with tixic fumes day and night, then that isn't gonna be good foe health. AND if you live in a very racist community, that neither, etc

The powers that be, via media etc push that it is 'cool' to eat fast food, and to drink, and take drugs etc. And on other hand you have straight shitty politicians that claim there is a war on drugs, yet hidden behind their puppetry the real drug lords are the CIA and other secret services who're up to their tits in the drug trade and always have been. That symbol--fave of the Bush family dynasty. This one:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:0iQc4N1OevJoeM:http://www.bilderberg.org/weekly.jpg
is the symbol of Opium smugglng (and Nazism, and poison, and Illuminati)

So we have these mixed messages, and its freakin workin because many people, loads of children are obese. Millions of people are on pharma drugs, and illegal drugs...Get it? How they do shit?

We we have to see through this. And what is REALLY cool is sharpening that skill to see through this matrix, and to encourage having a health organism. In fact the more respect you give to that the more you can see through their shit.

"Am I right in saying that if one is mentally ill, depressed or in fear or whatever, it's not effecting consciousness in anyway, but merely their body?"


For a start, there is no such thing as 'mental illness'. It is a myth! there is no existing evidence to support the shrink-pharma spiel that mental illness is biological disease/disorder. None.

This means that if you want to eat crap, and do drugs, and/or you are down, or seeing visions, etc---and nothing can be found/no test to prove you have an actual physical disease, then you have no disease. What it means is that your behaviour upsets the ruling class so they term your behaviour mental illness, and then make vast profits from throwing toxic drugs at it, and ECT etc,

So when I say to eat better, and take excercise and so on. I am not suggesting this will 'cure' your 'mental illness'. I am just saying that to feel healthy is surely not as bad as feeling unhealthy, af feeling unhealthy bothers you. For example, some people who are large sized like being like that, so good for them. Noone has right to force them to diet.

enga
25-01-2009, 02:41 PM
hi
I have too had problems with my psyche and I don't really want to go into it on here but I've felt a LOT better since reading ICKE's book Infinite Love is all there is and everything else is just an illusion ( think that's the name) and meditation has definitely helped. This site has a fantastic meditation course:
http://meditation.org.au/class1.asp
Honestly I feel pretty much 'sorted out' now so I hope it works for you too.

cafetimes1991
25-01-2009, 02:43 PM
That's a very good link, enga. Thanks! :)

patrish
25-01-2009, 05:59 PM
Hi Nwoexposer,

I too have felt I had to keep researching, until my head just about exploded. I have used the tapping technique to calm my mind and accept that I am a powerful human being who will not allow TPTB to take that power

I second the advice that others have given, good food, clean water, exercise.

I recently have given up prescription drugs and I know how hard that can be. I too got to the stage where I no longer trust the health service

I trust myself and that seems to be working. You can do this

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lTeWQmqEmKs

Please try this it does help.

much love

Patrish xxx

nwoexposer
25-01-2009, 06:08 PM
Your friend sounds like an idiot. If he wants to eat crap, and imagine that has no consequence for bodymind then let him. Don't allow him to think for you. This is your life, and your body and mind so think for yourself.

Of course what you eat, getting good rest, and excercise is vitally important for the whole organism. I prefer term 'organism' because when you usually say 'body' and 'mind' this is a loaded assumption that body and mind are sperate. In fact when you research the history of ideas you find this mindfuck even with so-called great thinkers, and influencers of modern culture--all caught up in a 'mind/body' split trip.
However organism includes the body and central nervous system, and in its realtionship with the environment. So really in truth the organism can never be thought of as an isolated entity, it is ALWAYS in complete intimate relationship with the environment so much so it is an organism-environment. because without a health environment, which includes psychologically, it affects health of organism. So, example, if your living on top of open sewers, or near a busy road with tixic fumes day and night, then that isn't gonna be good foe health. AND if you live in a very racist community, that neither, etc

The powers that be, via media etc push that it is 'cool' to eat fast food, and to drink, and take drugs etc. And on other hand you have straight shitty politicians that claim there is a war on drugs, yet hidden behind their puppetry the real drug lords are the CIA and other secret services who're up to their tits in the drug trade and always have been. That symbol--fave of the Bush family dynasty. This one:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:0iQc4N1OevJoeM:http://www.bilderberg.org/weekly.jpg
is the symbol of Opium smugglng (and Nazism, and poison, and Illuminati)

So we have these mixed messages, and its freakin workin because many people, loads of children are obese. Millions of people are on pharma drugs, and illegal drugs...Get it? How they do shit?

We we have to see through this. And what is REALLY cool is sharpening that skill to see through this matrix, and to encourage having a health organism. In fact the more respect you give to that the more you can see through their shit.

"Am I right in saying that if one is mentally ill, depressed or in fear or whatever, it's not effecting consciousness in anyway, but merely their body?"


For a start, there is no such thing as 'mental illness'. It is a myth! there is no existing evidence to support the shrink-pharma spiel that mental illness is biological disease/disorder. None.

This means that if you want to eat crap, and do drugs, and/or you are down, or seeing visions, etc---and nothing can be found/no test to prove you have an actual physical disease, then you have no disease. What it means is that your behaviour upsets the ruling class so they term your behaviour mental illness, and then make vast profits from throwing toxic drugs at it, and ECT etc,

So when I say to eat better, and take excercise and so on. I am not suggesting this will 'cure' your 'mental illness'. I am just saying that to feel healthy is surely not as bad as feeling unhealthy, af feeling unhealthy bothers you. For example, some people who are large sized like being like that, so good for them. Noone has right to force them to diet.

zilky, thank you very much for your input. I have pondered what you have said and it feels right to me. The body and mind are the same thing. Basically mind thoughts come from the brain/cns and also mind thoughts can affect physically. They're both the same thing basically. And I also agree that one's environment can greatly affect one's organism.

nwoexposer
25-01-2009, 06:22 PM
Hi Nwoexposer,

I too have felt I had to keep researching, until my head just about exploded. I have used the tapping technique to calm my mind and accept that I am a powerful human being who will not allow TPTB to take that power

I second the advice that others have given, good food, clean water, exercise.

I recently have given up prescription drugs and I know how hard that can be. I too got to the stage where I no longer trust the health service

I trust myself and that seems to be working. You can do this

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lTeWQmqEmKs

Please try this it does help.

much love

Patrish xxx

This is one of my major problems at the moment, feeling the need to keep researching and researching the NWO and the nature of reality. It all started when last year I was pretty great (mentally and health wise) but there was this guy that I talk to on Skype (also from Melbourne) who's also awake to the NWO agenda. He suggested to come to his house so he could burn some discs for me. My intuition was kinda telling me not to go there and I didn't go there for like a month and then I went there and instead of him just burning me EndGame and Terrorstorm and David Icke's films, he ended up burning me 50 discs! I then felt compelled to watch them all, primarily against my will. After I had finished watching all of DI's films, I made a promise to myself that I would stop, and then I did... initially but when a relapse when I was stressed from reading the learner's drivers manual and started watching more NWO discs. For 2009 I made a promise to myself that I would no longer research the NWO if I really didn't want to however when my friend suggested that I watch Mars videos I told him I'll watch it later (some time in future) however he kept pressuring me and I gave in. Since then I've often had urges to keep researching. It's a terrible cycle to get over, especially when you have so-called "OCD".

nwoexposer
25-01-2009, 06:28 PM
Hi Nwoexposer,

I too have felt I had to keep researching, until my head just about exploded. I have used the tapping technique to calm my mind and accept that I am a powerful human being who will not allow TPTB to take that power

I second the advice that others have given, good food, clean water, exercise.

I recently have given up prescription drugs and I know how hard that can be. I too got to the stage where I no longer trust the health service

I trust myself and that seems to be working. You can do this

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lTeWQmqEmKs

Please try this it does help.

much love

Patrish xxx

Please explain the tapping technique and TPTB.

zilky
25-01-2009, 06:34 PM
zilky, thank you very much for your input. I have pondered what you have said and it feels right to me. The body and mind are the same thing. Basically mind thoughts come from the brain/cns and also mind thoughts can affect physically. They're both the same thing basically. And I also agree that one's environment can greatly affect one's organism.

hmmm this is how I currently digs it--The body and mind are kinda IN mind--so what is mind/consciousness?...this explains what I mean really beautifully: From book, The Spell of the Sensuous, David Abram

" "Nothing is more common to the diverse indigenous cultures of the earth than recognition of the air, the wind, and the breath, as aspects of a singularly sacred power. By virtue of its pervading presence, its utter invisibility, and its manifest influence on all manner of visible phenomena, the air, for oral peoples, is the archetype of all that is ineffable, unknowable, yet undeniably real and efficacious. Its obvious ties to speech--the sense that spoken words are structured breath(try speaking a word without exhaling at the same time), and indeed that spoken phrases take their communicative power from this invisible medium that moves between us--lends the air a deep association with linguistic meaning and with thought. Indeed, the ineffability of the air seems akin to the ineffability of awareness itself, and we should not be surprised that many indigenous peoples construe awareness, or "mind," not as a power that resides inside their heads, but rather as a quality that they themselves are inside of along with the other animals and the plants, the mountains and the clouds." Pages 226-227

Well lets see, matter/energy can in principle be measured as it has extension in space, however consciousness is not a thing but is how matter-energy feels-from-the-inside. 'it' is always with matter but is not a thing. So matter/energy is active intelligence

cafetimes1991
25-01-2009, 06:38 PM
For 2009 I made a promise to myself that I would no longer research the NWO if I really didn't want to however

Sounds familiar.
This NWO/Illuminati stuff is addictive.

nwoexposer
25-01-2009, 06:44 PM
I would like to share something that I've been awoken to recently with everyone...

Like I said about how I started drinking on NYE 2007 and it went well but later on in the year I noticed that alcohol was starting to have a negative rather than positive effect on me, my intuition was crying out to say stop drinking, however my heavily programmed mind was saying, nah, there's nothing wrong with drinking, it did you well before and everyone else is doing it.

I've come to the awakening that the reason why we have things that our intuition says (without even trying it first) but our mind says "no, you should try it first to see if it's for you" is because we have already done that in a previous life. Most people are unaware that we live past lives. It certainly makes sense that we have lived past lives as there's many parts of my personality that cannot be explained in this life. Basically our life journey spans across many lifetimes.

nwoexposer
25-01-2009, 06:54 PM
Once again, I'd like to thank everyone for their input on this thread.

Real, practical, meat and potato ideas, practical solutions and options, but most importantly being able to cipher which are the best for me. JUST what I was looking for.

Far better than anything I'd receive from any phone counselling service!

nirvana
25-01-2009, 07:00 PM
Hi nwoexposer

What I would suggest is get into some kind of martial art . This will build your confidence up also bit of weightlifting. And limit your time from these kind of forums.

Sometimes its good to just forget about all this nwo etc and ground yourself take time out.



Peace:)

patrish
25-01-2009, 07:07 PM
Hi nwoexposer,

TPTB - is a short way of saying - the powers that be

The tapping is explained here in the project avalon forum below

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9970

Basically you tap various points on your upper body and it helps you get rid of bad feelings.

I hope this helps.

much love

Patrish xxx

rastamasta
27-01-2009, 12:51 AM
Please explain the tapping technique and TPTB.

Hi Mate,

here's some more info about the tapping. it's called EFT

http://www.emofree.com/

http://uk.youtube.com/emofree

breezinreezin
31-01-2009, 11:01 PM
Too much of this stuff creates a cognitve dissonance that destabilises the ego. This can be very valuable as long as it is balanced with spiritual practice. Without a spiritual discipline it can cause all sorts of psychiatric problems.

You may find some guidance from Neil Kramer. Here is a link that I've found contains wisdom for truth seekers.

http://thecleaver.blogspot.com/2009/01/mandalas-in-ultrasoup.html

nwoexposer
10-02-2009, 12:20 AM
Hey everyone.

Since I've left this post I've been getting slightly better however very recently I'm reaching breaking point again. I would like to talk about it to anyone who has the time.

I want people to know that I'm NOT depressed, rather full of fear, frustrated, etc. I'm rather disappointed that this thread was tagged with "depression" when I don't have such the thing.

Peter.

ownoiz
10-02-2009, 12:45 AM
Hey pete,

If you find that this is consuming too much of your time you need to balance it with something else to take your mind off it, what i dont know, but you need to find that for yourself, something of interest to you but separate from this NWO stuff.

I hope others can give some more valuable advice, i have to log off now i have work to do.

I know what its like when you can see the blatant truth in front of you and everyone else cant, it makes me angry as well at times, i guess its about finding another outlet.

And know that as the shit continues to hit the fan, as it has begun already, you may well be better prepared psychologically than many, as you know its coming...

Do you know how many people are stunned ATM they have lost much of what they thought they had, property, much of their retirement funds (superannuation/stock market scam), share portfolios...people have borrowed and spent millions on thier businesses especially irrigators and food producers, money they didnt have, and they have been scammed...

shit even Gerry Harvey (harvey norman) was stunned yesterday he has lost 1.5 billion dollars as his shareholdings plummet..they are all at the mercy of the elite bankers and they didnt even see it coming, you can.

There is much pain out there ATM, they wont put it on the news, but soon they wont be able to cover up the reality, you are not alone.

All the best, and i have much respect for your ability to see the truth especially at your age being a teenager still.
.

nwoexposer
14-02-2009, 11:35 AM
I really don't want to research the NWO/truth/nature of reality anymore.

However, my mind is overwhelmed and persists in that I must continue to research this knowledge and what's worse is that I must research it in a ritualistic way.

My mind thinks that if I did not research this stuff before I would have not have awakened and also thinks why would now be any different.

The fact is I don't want to do it anymore... I feel that I already know enough about the NWO agenda, truth, nature of reality, etc. to continue.

I really wish I could stop as I fear stopping. I fear that I may be missing out on something. The continuing urge to feel that I must continue researching is causing me intense depression.

Anyone have any strategies I could do to gradually stop researching this stuff if I don't really want to? i.e. some sort of schedule, etc.

Peter.

pacoquerak
16-02-2009, 04:00 AM
Consider fasting, either on juice you have made yourself or just water. Read about it first (there are many e-books online), and make sure you understand it.

Never a bad idea.

Honestly, the only thing that calms my rage is women or weed. I was really happy when I was with my ex...
I'm really happy around people
I think you need to go out and find new people!

There are all kinds of organic farming volunteering jobs in and out of this country, check www.Wwoof.com

Right now, there is a underground art movement in columbus ohio, called Columbus Sucks Because You Suck, there are hundreds of young artists, who all know each other, who are into all different sorts of things, most of them are fighting back against the culture they live in with undirected anger. It has vast potential though. I imagine there are other such things going on in other places...

but yeah, weed has long been self proscribed to deal with depression and most of the coolest people your ever meet probably smoke weed or did at one time...
far safer than any anti-depressant a doctor will give you

pacoquerak
16-02-2009, 04:05 AM
I really don't want to research the NWO/truth/nature of reality anymore.

However, my mind is overwhelmed and persists in that I must continue to research this knowledge and what's worse is that I must research it in a ritualistic way.

My mind thinks that if I did not research this stuff before I would have not have awakened and also thinks why would now be any different.

The fact is I don't want to do it anymore... I feel that I already know enough about the NWO agenda, truth, nature of reality, etc. to continue.

I really wish I could stop as I fear stopping. I fear that I may be missing out on something. The continuing urge to feel that I must continue researching is causing me intense depression.

Anyone have any strategies I could do to gradually stop researching this stuff if I don't really want to? i.e. some sort of schedule, etc.

Peter.

NO, I will tell you right now, researching the NWO will not help you. What will help you is researching the knowledge that the NWO has that they keep from the public.
The best knowledge that has come to mankind IMO was found on the farm. If you want to help yourself, you need to learn how to fight them. Even better, you need to learn how to keep the NWO from effecting you in your life. Don't fall for the trap, remember, our society is based primarily off of lies. If we ever expect to progress as a species, we must dismantle all of their evil laws, science, institutions... societies...

When the Mayan civilization came to an end, everyone was sick of all the wars and the endless rains that were destroying their city. In the end all the populace walked out into the jungle, never to return.

We must do the same, but we must make their land into our jungle.

comawhite015
16-02-2009, 09:05 AM
because I do not trust doctors, I do not trust psychologists and psychiatrists, I do not trust telephone counseling (for the most part), I do not trust most mainstream remedies to health but more specifically mental health problems.
.

But you'll trust random, highly questionable people on an internet forum.

lostwonderer
16-02-2009, 07:03 PM
because I do not trust doctors, I do not trust psychologists and psychiatrists, I do not trust telephone counseling (for the most part), I do not trust most mainstream remedies to health but more specifically mental health problems.

Allow me to explain my story...

I've often had unexplainable fears throughout my life, most of those fears consisting of fears that something awful will happen and social fears. I'm always weary and fearful of what other people think, no matter how much I want to let go of that fear.

Over 4 years ago (when I was 14) a psychiatrist prescribed me antidepressant drugs and I was on them for like 1 year or so. After that I was on a different drug for 2 years. The results were disastrous, I hardly left the house at all and it obviously didn't cure my fears. I decided to stop taking them in June of 2007, I noticed immediate improvements, I no longer feared going out on my own as much and actually went out. Withdrawal was extremely difficult though. However in 2008, more specifically, NYE 2007, I started drinking alcohol for the first time in my life. It had positive effects to begin with. In the early months of 2008 I began to be awoken to David Icke's knowledge on the nature of reality and that dramatically changed my outlook and perspective on life. It should be noted however that for a while now that I've often forced myself to reasearch NWO material (against my will) in fear that I may not be awoken to the agenda enough. It's part of my OCD I believe. It's been extremely paralyzing and has limited my freedom. However, mid 2008 I began drinking again and I noticed negative effects arising, unlike the first time I had it. The OCD has gone away (for ages), it had gone away not too long after I stopped taking the drugs, basically getting off the Zoloft gave me the power to overcome my OCD urges. But alcohol made it come back again. I kept drinking occasionally throughout 2008, especially with peer pressure from a friend of mine. My intuition kept telling me not to drink but my mind kept telling me things like I should drink because everyone else is doing it, etc.

Basically since mid-2008, my life has been going downhill again. At the moment I'm often depressed and having severe thoughts of ending my life. I feel the only way I can express is through the David Icke Forums as I'm talking with like minded people.

ALL my problems include: not being happy where I live (the suburb, Melbourne, Australia), fear (social primarily but other fears), OCD and urges to do things against my will or knowing in general, diet (not eating the right foods, being hungry, etc.) and believing that I have to researching the NWO against my will to gain something (much like work).

I would like everyone's opinion on what I could do to help cure my mind problems, the fear and urges I get. This may include natural remedies, diet improvement, etc. I am thinking about getting a detox and bowel cleanse but concerned that it may cost a lot of money.

Also advice on how I can not feel lonely and be able to have people to go with on outings other than a few limited friends of mine would be great too.

I urgently need your assistance. I am getting better but I'm not so great at the moment.

Thanks for reading.

OCD can be diminshed, but it often depends on the severity of it. The best way to do this is to control the urges. I know it's difficult and very frustrating but just keep at it. When your mind is putting all that pressure on you, all those unwanted thoughts, it puts more stress onto you, which makes it worse. Say no and keep saying no, deny those thoughts, i know the feeling is terrible when you try but know that they are not in control of you and only you can stop them. It normally stems from somewhere, an issue that you've not dealt with or may have been putting off. Try and confront the issue, deal with the fear and get rid. Eat more fruit and veg and also healthy juices. Exercise, go for more walks, some fresh air and clearing the mind while on a stroll are really helpfull. Try and keep a positive mind.:)

particlezen
16-02-2009, 07:34 PM
only you know the origin of these "fears". they began somewhere. can you remember a time when you did not have them? think about what was different then and what may have been the catalyst. i don't believe simply trying to block out these thoughts will help because it does not address the cause of what you are experiencing. you can only move on if you identify and acknowledge the source of your anxiety. that's the first step.

nwoexposer
17-02-2009, 02:50 PM
But you'll trust random, highly questionable people on an internet forum.

You have a point but usually how I work with advice is I'll only consider what someone else has suggested if it 'clicks' with me. And I believe that the best source for this is people who are operating on a similar wavelength.

lizzy
17-02-2009, 05:44 PM
Hey pete,

If you find that this is consuming too much of your time you need to balance it with something else to take your mind off it, what i dont know, but you need to find that for yourself, something of interest to you but separate from this NWO stuff.

I hope others can give some more valuable advice, i have to log off now i have work to do.

I know what its like when you can see the blatant truth in front of you and everyone else cant, it makes me angry as well at times, i guess its about finding another outlet.

And know that as the shit continues to hit the fan, as it has begun already, you may well be better prepared psychologically than many, as you know its coming...

Do you know how many people are stunned ATM they have lost much of what they thought they had, property, much of their retirement funds (superannuation/stock market scam), share portfolios...people have borrowed and spent millions on thier businesses especially irrigators and food producers, money they didnt have, and they have been scammed...

shit even Gerry Harvey (harvey norman) was stunned yesterday he has lost 1.5 billion dollars as his shareholdings plummet..they are all at the mercy of the elite bankers and they didnt even see it coming, you can.

There is much pain out there ATM, they wont put it on the news, but soon they wont be able to cover up the reality, you are not alone.

All the best, and i have much respect for your ability to see the truth especially at your age being a teenager still.
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hi ownoiz, :)this is oh so true......and it's only just starting to surface .

lizzy
17-02-2009, 05:59 PM
I really don't want to research the NWO/truth/nature of reality anymore.

However, my mind is overwhelmed and persists in that I must continue to research this knowledge and what's worse is that I must research it in a ritualistic way.

My mind thinks that if I did not research this stuff before I would have not have awakened and also thinks why would now be any different.

The fact is I don't want to do it anymore... I feel that I already know enough about the NWO agenda, truth, nature of reality, etc. to continue.

I really wish I could stop as I fear stopping. I fear that I may be missing out on something. The continuing urge to feel that I must continue researching is causing me intense depression.

Anyone have any strategies I could do to gradually stop researching this stuff if I don't really want to? i.e. some sort of schedule, etc.

Peter.

hi nwoexposer / Peter,:)

I understand exactly what you are saying and feeling. Learning how we have been mind controlled for so long by such insidiousness is very hard to take. I know I have been there . The truth becomes a drug , the rabbit hole gets deeper...we have to come up for air...the NWO has intensifed my own depression and the forum is a sheep pen where wolves roam freely.

Thanyou for the freindship request, I will be in touch;)

I do believe we need a 'work OUT ' regimen....a new daily / life plan ..we can not be controlled by what we know now ,as we were when we did'nt. Getting out and doing good for ourselves and others in preparedness is the key i think.

octopusrex
17-02-2009, 06:41 PM
because I do not trust doctors, I do not trust psychologists and psychiatrists, I do not trust telephone counseling (for the most part), I do not trust most mainstream remedies to health but more specifically mental health problems.

Allow me to explain my story...

I've often had unexplainable fears throughout my life, most of those fears consisting of fears that something awful will happen and social fears. I'm always weary and fearful of what other people think, no matter how much I want to let go of that fear.

Over 4 years ago (when I was 14) a psychiatrist prescribed me antidepressant drugs and I was on them for like 1 year or so. After that I was on a different drug for 2 years. The results were disastrous, I hardly left the house at all and it obviously didn't cure my fears. I decided to stop taking them in June of 2007, I noticed immediate improvements, I no longer feared going out on my own as much and actually went out. Withdrawal was extremely difficult though. However in 2008, more specifically, NYE 2007, I started drinking alcohol for the first time in my life. It had positive effects to begin with. In the early months of 2008 I began to be awoken to David Icke's knowledge on the nature of reality and that dramatically changed my outlook and perspective on life. It should be noted however that for a while now that I've often forced myself to reasearch NWO material (against my will) in fear that I may not be awoken to the agenda enough. It's part of my OCD I believe. It's been extremely paralyzing and has limited my freedom. However, mid 2008 I began drinking again and I noticed negative effects arising, unlike the first time I had it. The OCD has gone away (for ages), it had gone away not too long after I stopped taking the drugs, basically getting off the Zoloft gave me the power to overcome my OCD urges. But alcohol made it come back again. I kept drinking occasionally throughout 2008, especially with peer pressure from a friend of mine. My intuition kept telling me not to drink but my mind kept telling me things like I should drink because everyone else is doing it, etc.

Basically since mid-2008, my life has been going downhill again. At the moment I'm often depressed and having severe thoughts of ending my life. I feel the only way I can express is through the David Icke Forums as I'm talking with like minded people.

ALL my problems include: not being happy where I live (the suburb, Melbourne, Australia), fear (social primarily but other fears), OCD and urges to do things against my will or knowing in general, diet (not eating the right foods, being hungry, etc.) and believing that I have to researching the NWO against my will to gain something (much like work).

I would like everyone's opinion on what I could do to help cure my mind problems, the fear and urges I get. This may include natural remedies, diet improvement, etc. I am thinking about getting a detox and bowel cleanse but concerned that it may cost a lot of money.

Also advice on how I can not feel lonely and be able to have people to go with on outings other than a few limited friends of mine would be great too.

I urgently need your assistance. I am getting better but I'm not so great at the moment.

Thanks for reading.

Ayahuasca Spirit Walk or Peyote Spirit walk might do the trick. Would have to get your butt down to Mexico.

lizzy
17-02-2009, 08:51 PM
Hey everyone.

Since I've left this post I've been getting slightly better however very recently I'm reaching breaking point again. I would like to talk about it to anyone who has the time.

I want people to know that I'm NOT depressed, rather full of fear, frustrated, etc. I'm rather disappointed that this thread was tagged with "depression" when I don't have such the thing.

Peter.

this is good to hear.....big bites of nwo are harder to swollow than little ones...so just take it easy.that is what I am trying to do.;)

nwoexposer
18-02-2009, 04:30 AM
Hi everyone,

I'm pleased to say that I made a decision to only research this sort of knowledge one day a month, unless I am passionate about it from an intuitive level.

I already know enough about the agenda and I already made a NY Resolution that in 2009 I'd not do it compulsively. However as I have overwhelming urges to feed my ego with this knowledge, this resolution ain't so bad. At least it gives me structure and also I'll know when the time is to research it if need be, giving me much less time to think about it. Time management is key to a lot of things in life I believe.

Peter.

boots
18-02-2009, 06:58 AM
Hi everyone,

I'm pleased to say that I made a decision to only research this sort of knowledge one day a month, unless I am passionate about it from an intuitive level.

I already know enough about the agenda and I already made a NY Resolution that in 2009 I'd not do it compulsively. However as I have overwhelming urges to feed my ego with this knowledge, this resolution ain't so bad. At least it gives me structure and also I'll know when the time is to research it if need be, giving me much less time to think about it. Time management is key to a lot of things in life I believe.

Peter.

:cool:


You will probably fined in time that you can get to a point where you know enough and all the rest is a distraction.

Your right, time management it the key:).

nwoexposer
18-02-2009, 09:00 AM
:cool:


You will probably fined in time that you can get to a point where you know enough and all the rest is a distraction.

Your right, time management it the key:).

Absolutely. I most likely did want to research before but now seeing as I already know a lot it, doing so is actually causing disturbance as I don't want to. I actually enjoyed NWO research before, but then came a point where it became a chore. The lesson is, never do anything you don't want to do, unless your intuition tells you otherwise. My intuition told me to stop. Time to obey it as it's that vital source that makes life much more exciting, fulfilling and rewarding.

Btw people, I've recently been on St John's Wort and it's been helping (a bit) but has had similar effects to that drugs I was on before, so I stopped. Glad I've discarded with it. Time to focus on real answers. Diet, mediatation, sleeping patterns, hypnotherapy, chiropracter, etc. No more of this herbal, psychological, counselling bullshit.

Thank you for reading. My sympathies go out to my fellow Victorians affected by the bushfires.

Peter.

nwoexposer
18-02-2009, 10:11 AM
hi nwoexposer / Peter,:)

I understand exactly what you are saying and feeling. Learning how we have been mind controlled for so long by such insidiousness is very hard to take. I know I have been there . The truth becomes a drug , the rabbit hole gets deeper...we have to come up for air...the NWO has intensifed my own depression and the forum is a sheep pen where wolves roam freely.

Thanyou for the freindship request, I will be in touch;)

I do believe we need a 'work OUT ' regimen....a new daily / life plan ..we can not be controlled by what we know now ,as we were when we did'nt. Getting out and doing good for ourselves and others in preparedness is the key i think.

Hi lizzie,

I believe that no one should really research this stuff if they don't want to, with the exception of rarely or occasionally at the most in my opinion.

I'm not going to be on here (these Forums) for much longer. I've enjoyed a lot of the stuff I've learned on here but it's time to move on and it's becoming extremely addictive and a band-aid solution to my boredom.

Waking other people up is the most important thing for us people to do, short of rubbing it in their face.

nwoexposer
01-04-2009, 12:48 PM
Hi everyone.

It's been several months since I've been on this thread and I'd say I'm about the same. I have made improvement in some areas and now see a hypnotherapist regularly which has helped. I have also improved my diet, have gained new perspectives, have slightly improved my sleeping patterns, fairing slightly better socially and have gotten over my compulsive New World Order research problem. But I'm also not fairing too well in a lot of other areas in my life. I used to be more passionate and energetic about things, now I'm losing enthusiasm and get depressed just about everyday.

The causes of this is 1) being unemployed; 2) not having as much money as I would like; 3) fear of leaving the house; 4) caring more and more about what other people think; 5) believing that I have to like movies and games (obsessing about it constantly); 6) not being happy where I presently live; 7) massive guilt and resentment about past actions and past decisions.

If other people on this forum can help me with my employment situation or discuss it with me on Windows Live Messenger, that will be great. Also discussing my fears, obsessions, regrets and not being happy where I live.

If people who are from Melbourne can assist with accommodation that would be great too.

Looking forward to your replies.

Peter.