As far as reptilians go...

[michael christopher]

For people who claim to have communicated with them, is there really any way to know what you aren't making it up in your head? I do believe they probably exist on a spiritual and perhaps on a physical 3D level, but I am wondering if the majority of all telepathic communication from aliens is just the result of an over-active imagination. I used to think I was getting it all the time over the summer, and I still hold conversations in my head with "aliens" - I feel like I am probably inventing them, but I am open to the possibility that I am not. That's why I'm asking if there's really any way to validate an experience like this - at this point I am really not going beyond thinking this is just the creative process and it's something I've taught myself to do that is entertaining and self-analytical. If there is more to this I would really like to know, but I think it's possible that I could just be tricking myself. I wonder if a lot of "channellers" are simply doing the same, although I do believe that there are people who have the knowledge to communicate with extradimensional beings. HELP ME OUT for those of you with experience (in either direction). I don't think I can prove anything and for that reason I am refusing to take it as anything other than a creative process, but is there something I can do to have evidence? I have put forth my will into the universe (in writing and verbally and spiritually) that no being may hide it's true nature or visage from me. But I haven't seen any aliens. So, I don't know how this will thing works, but it's probably tied into this communication thing...

EDIT: I believe once I saw a guy who was not a human being, MAYBE. I am also sure that I could have just been tricking myself, I'm about 50/50 on it. I think I'd need further evidence that aliens are walking around aside from just my belief (I do believe it, but that's not enough to satisfy me). He looked kind of green, but the green looked somewhat aethereal (but I could have been imagining it), I looked at him for a split second and he started staring at me. I walked out of the store and as he walked out he looked at me again, but he could have just had a skin condition and maybe he was offended. I don't know, I looked away as soon as he looked at me. Like I said earlier, I wrote down my will into the universe that nothing may hide it's true nature or visage from me. If I looked around while walking around downtown or something, if I looked at someone and said "You may not hide" mentally would that shift anything, or not? I honestly just need evidence before I can take my belief in this any farther. I don't mean internet evidence or eyewitness accounts, I would like an experience that I can replicate with practice. Not just talking in my head to something I could be making up.

[netta]

This is a really good topic Michael.

You are right. It's hard to believe in something when you only think you might be hearing it in your head. That's just too far off for us at this point, even if it is real.

Maybe if you hear a voice in your head and you really think it's an alien, you should insist that it proves it's existence to you physically. They might actually do something. You never know.

But I have seen and experienced weird things before too. So I know that there is some stuff out there. I wouldn't discount all your experiences if I were you. I know that it's hard because you don't want to be crazy. So I hope something turns out for you. I don't know if you just willing your thoughts will help. I don't even know the power that human beings truly have.

[size_of_light]

You need to figure out a way to test and verify that the voices you hear aren't yours. If the voices come up with ways to justify not complying with your request, then it's either different aspects of yourself communicating with one another, or external entities who are already insulting your own level of intelligence by dodging the basic requirement of proof, and are therefore also probably more interested in manipulating and deceiving you rather than offering anything worthwhile.

Suppose the voices satisfy the conditions of proof you set, by providing you with information that you don't think you could possibly have known yourself, which you then later verify to be accurate...

...you're still faced with the reality of a situation similar to someone standing behind you who you can never actually see, telling you who they are and where they come from, and you're faced with the choice of believing them unquestionably, or taking everything they say with a very big grain of salt.

[shepard]

We will never know the boundary between what has actually happened and what people believe to have happened. The only mechanism that humans have to defend against there own projections is to look within ourselfs to find the answer. You dont have to believe every tale of a alien sighting or a spiritual message, but to understand that all things are possible to exist, and try to see the meaning behind it. There are many things in this universe we do not yet understand, for eample we dont even know how bees fly, the only thing we have is that which makes us human, the ability to look at something and not question if it exists, but why it exists.

[samiam]

With my experiences I can't verify for sure either, as it happened early in the morning when I had an urge to wake up, woke up in a sleep paralysis state, and it was at the side of my bed staring me down. I think over time I made up many details in my head about it's apperance. I can't be for sure it was "reptilian", what is reptillian anyway? It had scaly skin like an alligator that's what I remember so that's why I've always assumed it was a reptilian alien.. Then again I question if it really had scaly skin, as it was pitch dark when I woke up, so how did I see it's scaly skin.

I think there have been some cluster reptilian cases, where 2+ people have seen them at the same time, but they're pretty rare.

Honestly many times growing up I've psyched myself out while in the dark. A lot of things appear scary when you're in the pitch dark at night. Has anyone had experiences with them in daylight? It always seems to happen at night in most peoples cases, right?

I've also tried asking for confirmation from aliens over the year, but that usually puts me into a state of fear, where im extra-sensitive to my surroundings, so the slightest poke at night will try to trick me to make think it's them. It's hard to confirm for sure what's around me. Most of my alien experiences have happened in dreamland while I was sleeping, or when waking up from sleep and my body is still asleep. They seemed so real when they occured. The only way that it can be confirmed for me is if me and someone else experienced it at the same time, then it would be really hard to doubt.

[lightblessins]

for me personally, i av had enough different experiences, i.e out of body, 4d and highier dimensional space travel, physic attacks, celestail telepathic communication, dreaming,dream manipulation,meditation, to realise the difference, but i to argee that sometimes some poeple cant tell the difference and they get confused in their own minds as to what this a result of what is an external or internal experience.:)

[michael christopher]

Maybe if you hear a voice in your head and you really think it's an alien, you should insist that it proves it's existence to you physically. They might actually do something. You never know.

I have tried this, but I always get back stupid responses. Well, I guess they aren't stupid. The reptilian voice actually makes fun of me all the time telling me that I can't prove she's real and even says all the time "but you're just making me up in your head, right?" Aside from that however the voice isn't particularly negative, I actually think it's positive. I have yelled at the damn thing to prove to me it's real, since it hasn't I still believe I just made it up. When I thought I was talking to a Pleiadean it simply said that I'm missing the point if I want evidence that it's real, and that I shouldn't be focusing on whether or not aliens exist since that is not what I'm here for. So, at this point I think I'm just being extremely creative, however I am still open to other possibilities. An out of body experience would help.

[size_of_light]

I have tried this, but I always get back stupid responses. Well, I guess they aren't stupid. The reptilian voice actually makes fun of me all the time telling me that I can't prove she's real and even says all the time "but you're just making me up in your head, right?" Aside from that however the voice isn't particularly negative, I actually think it's positive. I have yelled at the damn thing to prove to me it's real, since it hasn't I still believe I just made it up. When I thought I was talking to a Pleiadean it simply said that I'm missing the point if I want evidence that it's real, and that I shouldn't be focusing on whether or not aliens exist since that is not what I'm here for. So, at this point I think I'm just being extremely creative, however I am still open to other possibilities. An out of body experience would help.

You are extremely creative and you've also got your head screwed on properly, so there's not much else to know.

[michael christopher]

You are extremely creative and you've also got your head screwed on properly, so there's not much else to know.

Yeah, I'm not really worried about going crazy since I don't take any of it all that seriously in relation to the voices. Nothing I hear says anything that I would find particularly morally questionable, or if it does it certainly doesn't bother trying to get me to do it. Aside from one incident recently I don't really get bothered by negative voices and it's kind of fun to indulge sometimes, I mean either way it's still being creative and I can learn a lot by listening to them, since I view my situation from different perspectives. BUT STILL I would love to know if I'm not just imagining it. From my experiences so far it seems to me that I get the "evidence" I have always been looking for extremely slowly. When I asked the reptilian voice about that, she said that I am only given what I can handle. I think I can handle a lot more but maybe I can't yet. Or maybe I'm making it up!

Maybe I'm making it up and it's real at the same time. The nature of universe is paradox!

[measle_weasel]

Ive often wondered why believe the words of channelers, when there is no way to prove that an entity they are apparently receiving information from, actually exists. Id sure like to see that entity communicate with more than just one or two people. Anything that I hear is "channeled", is doubtable from the very beginning, as there is no way to prove it, unless that entity wants to talk to everybody else too.

Also, how can channelers be sure that these entities have their best interests in mind? How can they verify the data they receive, let alone the thing giving the data?

I tend to think its all made up, whether consciencely made up, or not.

[eshtar]

this is why I dnot trust most channelers. One recently really lied to me and then yesterday just out right attacked me when I told her I wanted to learn things on my own and sort out the right from wrong. What kind of friend is that? I never attacked her is it an attack and being hatefull saying you want to learn whats right and wrong weven if that person helped you for ages? Is that an attack? if it is then its a very weird one. Just like that Oct 14th channel did they land? who knows but if they did physicaly I feel there WOULD have been mass panic and war in these times even if the ones landed were the Pleadians. So much fear would even Lightworkers beleive these beings? Now on the otherside there will and would be humans that would be against this mass war and panic but the other half would panic.

[measle_weasel]

this is why I dnot trust most channelers. One recently really lied to me and then yesterday just out right attacked me when I told her I wanted to learn things on my own and sort out the right from wrong. What kind of friend is that? I never attacked her is it an attack and being hatefull saying you want to learn whats right and wrong weven if that person helped you for ages? Is that an attack? if it is then its a very weird one. Just like that Oct 14th channel did they land? who knows but if they did physicaly I feel there WOULD have been mass panic and war in these times even if the ones landed were the Pleadians. So much fear would even Lightworkers beleive these beings? Now on the otherside there will and would be humans that would be against this mass war and panic but the other half would panic.

Exactly, pretty much. How many "channelings" of things/events that could not be determined by other means, have actually come true? I tend to think that if most people are actually contacting a seperate entity from themselves, than this entity might not be trying to help at all. It might even be part of the vast intelligence of evil/the matrix/reptilians/whoever wants to harm you.

Hope that change is on the way (which seem to be what most chanelings are about) is a very powerful tool in quelling motivation to actually change things yourself, right now. It would be logical that an entity who wants to prevent change, would come to people and give them a message that change is on the way, so those people who heard and believed it, would not try and force change themselves. It would be a great way to passify the public who believes the channelers.

Such an entity could string the gullible along indeffinitely, by saying, after each date given passes, "well, things changed, and now its A/B/CDEF date. Look for us then!", or by convincing people of other things, that ultimately is to just keep them still and not do anything.

[measle_weasel]

Just read what I typed, and it would seem I could be talking about Obama, though I was not thinking about him at the time. Interesting :)

[michael christopher]

The complete inaccuracy of the large majority of channelers is why I tend to think I'm just making it up. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, it's just like adult make believe. But because of that I take it all about as seriously as what is being said merits. If I hear anything that sounds particularly convincing I know it's because I've learned how to convince myself. Even if these things are real, this is a good system I have going because by treating them as illusions (which they would be anyway) then I don't give this any control over my life. It's just another method of conscious reflection of myself.

A funny thing I've noticed is, where when this started these voices would give me information, because I no longer trust receiving information in such a manner it doesn't happen anymore. It's pretty much just philosophical conversation at this point.

EDIT: Perhaps all I have done is taken the multiple aspects of my personality and assigned them identities. This has the beneficial effect of allowing me to examine and control myself, whereas before I just thought I was one personality.

[darketernal]

I have no use for channelers myself, for a number of reasons I do not care to get into today...

[rhydra]

I don't know if I believe in channelling at all,you find out though by own means, it's not like you have the ability or not, it just comes to you when and if you need it. It's not to be worried about, really.

[siphon880di]

I don't trust channeled messages from ascended masters. I know what they truly are.

[measle_weasel]

I don't trust channeled messages from ascended masters. I know what they truly are.

What are they?

[siphon880di]

Demons of course.

[measle_weasel]

Demons of course.

Oh.

Maybe :) Not sure who the "ascended masters" are supposed to be, but I tend to think along those lines as well. Demons are masters of deception, or so I hear. Probably wouldnt be to hard to get a gullible new age nut to believe whatever was told to them, and then have them go preach it as the REAL truth. As if that truth told to them was any more confirmable than any other, really.

[siphon880di]

In the New Age movement, all of the spiritual techniques in the movement came from spirits called "ascended masters": Jesus Christ himself; Ashtar, leader of the "galatic federation" of the Pleiadians and other benevolent species, St. Germain, etc.

Of course if Jesus Christ is real, and the bible is real, then it would have mentioned people would be able to directly talk to him.

The communicated was through channeling, which was a form of mediumship that involves giving up your body. The channeler will either hear voices or be completely possessed. When she (for convenient sake) gets possessed, the spirit writes down or record any "knowledge" so that when she gets out of the trance, she will spread that information online like she promised she would.

The New Age religion preaches "feeling Love" so that the vibration of the entire earth gets changed by the year 2012 and the full dimensional shift occurs. Supposedly that's when we would live with the Ascended Masters on a new earth with new laws of physics.

They do these "global meditations" certain times of the year where they meditate exclusively on world peace, and there were times they focused that energy at certain "meridians" on earth. If you take a reptoid conspiracy bent into it, then that'd be the perfect opportunity for them to collect this potent energy in certain astral/technological means.

The time I began seeing reptilians was when I met someone who claimed she was a starseed/ indigo child (basically means she has a soul from another planet) and was the grandchild reincarnation of Ashtar (the leader of a galactic federation of species interested in human spiritual evolution, supposedly). I asked her to verify that the good aliens were real, and she told me what my sleeping ritual was, what my challenges were in my life, and recent events at that time. I also asked her how I would get my psychic abilities back because I suppressed them after they were a daily basis thing. Then I began getting sleep paralysis and seeing reptilians for the first time.

When I was into New Age, they did not mention reptoids or greys. They just talked about human-like aliens. After I saw those reptilians and greys, one time I jokingly look it up online ("keep seeing reptilians in dreams"). I thought it was a dream symbol. But then I found out that reptilians and greys work together. There was a website that lists and shows pictures of how reptoids and greys looked like. The type of grey I saw in my dreams had a hood on, like that website shown. Here's another website:

"Some grays are seen wearing nothing while others have seen gray wearing long robes and hoods, or jumpsuits."
http://www.angelfire.com/sc2/PSIGUFO/aliens.html

But I can't find the website anymore, and the one with the hooded robe look exactly like what I saw. If I can find that page again, I'd post the picture.

[measle_weasel]

All the teachings are based off of channelings? I did not know that.

Quite interesting... I see the new age movement in a different light now.

[siphon880di]

That's actually how they measure the credibility of a technique or knowledge on New Age websites. If something was channeled by any Ascended Master, that information would be copied to other New Age websites. This means they also have to trust that the other person isn't lying that it's been channeled.

[michael christopher]

All the teachings are based off of channelings? I did not know that.

Quite interesting... I see the new age movement in a different light now.

That is not really true, a lot of the information is derived philosophically from observing reality. The idea that all new age material is based on channeling is religious propaganda. Christians, Jews and Muslims all feel threatened by the New Age religion (for it surely is religious in many aspects) and they feel fine to point out it's flaws while ignoring the flaws that have plagued their ideologies for thousands of years. A large proportion of the New Age movement is probably bullshit, maybe even over half of it. But people make up shit and then it spreads around because of confirmation bias, and people end up throwing out the diamonds with the coal out of the refusal to explore thoroughly.

That's actually how they measure the credibility of a technique or knowledge on New Age websites. If something was channeled by any Ascended Master, that information would be copied to other New Age websites. This means they also have to trust that the other person isn't lying that it's been channeled.

You are making blanket generalizations here, on top of the fact that this is not a method exclusive to the spreading of information for the New Age movement in particular. All information is spread at this point via poor standards and inability to place into context that which is being said. Political information, religious concepts, etc. are all based on the faith that what is being said is actually true, when in reality very little of what we are told is actually true. Many people who give credence to much New Age material are a lot smarter than you are giving them credit for.

[siphon880di]

Did you go on enough New Age websites to say that? Some new age websites just have channeled messages as the bulk of the material.

I believe you are interpretting their teachings as something else. People that I had known who was into New Age believed in perceiving and feeling love in the religious sense, because they think it has a magickal effect.

They can feel love all they want and they won't make their life improved. That doesn't bring them out of illness. It's just their perception.

Of course it makes sense at some level. Focus on the good things in life, and your life will get better. It's the philosophy of existentialism.

When I got attacked by reptilians astrally, I told some of my new age friends about it. They just shunned me. They told me if I had focused on love, I'll attract only love. They said astral reptilians were just made up by my lack of "I AM love". I believed them for a while until I look it up and found out about reptilians.

But that is sandwiched with channeled messages, and the bulk of the techniques from channeled messages, such as the violet flame being a cleansing visualization.

[michael christopher]

Did you go on enough New Age websites to say that? Some new age websites just have channeled messages as the bulk of the material.

I believe you are interpretting their teachings as something else. People that I had known who was into New Age believed in perceiving and feeling love in the religious sense, because they think it has a magickal effect.

They can feel love all they want and they won't make their life improved. That doesn't bring them out of illness. It's just their perception.

Of course it makes sense at some level. Focus on the good things in life, and your life will get better. It's the philosophy of existentialism.

When I got attacked by reptilians astrally, I told some of my new age friends about it. They just shunned me. They told me if I had focused on love, I'll attract only love. They said astral reptilians were just made up by my lack of "I AM love". I believed them for a while until I look it up and found out about reptilians.

But that is sandwiched with channeled messages, and the bulk of the techniques from channeled messages, such as the violet flame being a cleansing visualization.

The problem is that there is no unified "new age" movement. Some aspects of the new age movement I would strongly agree with and others I would strongly disagree with. But to simply assume that most new age material is bullshit without actually researching it or considering it with an open mind is just like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'm sure this won't help my credibility with you, but I would tell you that reptilians are only able to prey on you because you fear them.

[siphon880di]

As long as they channel the same entities called Ascended Masters, they ARE being directed in the same direction. Almost all of the New Age websites believe in channeling. That is why they are unified.

I'm not talking about "the Secret", Transcendental Meditation, or Tantric sex because they're not considered part of the New Age community. They are part of our time's spiritual acceptance though.