What does David Icke think of Scientology ?

[steevo]

I watched Illuminati Vol. 2 - The Anti-Christ Conspiracy today.
The documentary, seemed to say that L. Ron Hubbard (the founder of Scientology) was into Black magic and the occult and one of the Illuminati and was involved with the Kabbalah rituals (Note:- I will have to watch that part of the movie again to clarify exactly what was said so don't quote me yet).

Is the above true about L. Ron Hubbard ? What does David Icke think of Scientology ?

The reason I am concerned about this is because, as you have probably noticed, Tom Cruise is on the other end of a particularly viscious assault by the media in which they seem to be trying to ruin him and ultimately silence him. Tom Cruise has spoken out against the Pharmacutical companies hence the assault in my opinion. I agree with what Tom Cruise says.

When people Google "Scientology", they immediately find out that it's members are "nuts" and maybe into the occult, which I believe is a lie to dis-credit them. There seems to be tons of mis-information about it. Why ?

What concerns me most is this :-
Is mis-information being used in Illuminati Vol. 2 to dis-credit the Church of Scientology ? If so, why is David Icke associated with that DVD ?

I need to know the truth about Scientology, do any of you fellow Icke fans know anything about this ?

Cheers

Steevo

[earthseed]

I think religion is religion and it's just mind control. David seems to be very into not being controlled by it. And the newer new age religions are even more into programming the population. I understand that a lot of people still need some type of belief system and don't want to hear anything negative about it but it can't be helped.

[gregoryarden]

The experiences that I've personally had concerning their recruiters is that they are very persistent and even pushy to the point of being very disrespectful to the individual that doesnt want to join. My mother's been to one of their "stress tests" (as they call it), where they sit you down and discuss matters of personal feelings and general spirituality. They say you can leave at any time, but you are under immense pressure not to (like those "free" timeshare meetings).
I feel that Scientology serves the purpose to demonize and drive the public away from leaving the pharmacutical industry in favor of cheaper, natural alternatives. It is true that pharmaceuticals are harmful and toxic, and that natural alternatives are not only safe but more effective. Sense this threatens the chemical-controll over us that is precious to the powers-that-be, scientology comes in and establishes an association in peoples minds between genuinely cultish scientologists and anyone informing about the truth about pharmaceuticals.
All I can offer is personal experience and my personal impressions on the issue of scientology. The many scientologists that I've come across all fit the psychological bill of being under the contol of a "cult"; they dare not question their authority, friends and family not in agreement with their beliefs are alienated, and many of their profits MUST go towards funding the "movement" as they often call it.
They are seemingly clever in that they push the truth of the pharmacutical industry. This gives them credence, but the cultish effect the organization pushes onto it's members is VERY disconserting!

[graflok]

What does David Icke think of Scientology ?

The only person who knows what David Icke thinks is David Icke.
So, the only way to get the truth about that would be to ask him and he doesn't post here -- sorry.


The reason I am concerned about this is because, as you have probably noticed, Tom Cruise is on the other end of a particularly viscious assault by the media in which they seem to be trying to ruin him and ultimately silence him. Tom Cruise has spoken out against the Pharmacutical companies hence the assault in my opinion.

Your reasoning regarding the media assault on Cruise seems plausible to me
and I'll bet Tom Cruise appreciates your "concern" about him.


I agree with what Tom Cruise says.

But, you don't accept what he says about Scientology? That seems odd.


When people Google "Scientology", they immediately find out that it's members are "nuts" and maybe into the occult, which I believe is a lie to dis-credit them. There seems to be tons of mis-information about it. Why ?

If you believe it's a lie and disinformation, what is your purpose in asking these "questions" here?
Why don't you just go into your local org and learn more about it there?

Could it be that you're not who or what you say you are?


What concerns me most is this :-
Is mis-information being used in Illuminati Vol. 2 to dis-credit the Church of Scientology ? If so, why is David Icke associated with that DVD ?

"The Illuminati" DVD was produced by Chris Everard. Just because David Icke
appears on it doesn't mean he is responsible for everything it contains. I suggest
you find a way to ask Chris about that.


I need to know the truth about Scientology, do any of you fellow Icke fans know anything about this ?

If you really are a "fellow Icke fan," then you should also be a fan of speaking
the truth no matter what anyone thinks of you. Maybe you could try that
some time. :)

But, if you insist on pursuing your "concern," I suggest that you ask your friend, adamadam. ;)

[steevo]

Hi earthseed and gregoryarden, thanks for your informative and fair responses to my question, it is very much appreciated.

Hi graflok, just to confirm I am a big David Icke fan.
The only person who knows what David Icke thinks is David Icke.
So, the only way to get the truth about that would be to ask him and he doesn't post here -- sorry.
I know David Icke doesnt come on here and he is a very busy man, this is why I asked on here because, like me, you will have listened to many of his interviews/ lectures and you may have heard him talk about this subject.

Your reasoning regarding the media assault on Cruise seems plausible to me and I'll bet Tom Cruise appreciates your "concern" about him.
But, you don't accept what he says about Scientology? That seems odd.
Why the sarcasm from you ? Also, I never said I dont agree with Scientology, I dont know enough about it to decide. I said that people who visit Google may read mis-information about them because people try to discredit them because of their stance against mainstream drugs (a conspiracy against them maybe).

"The Illuminati" DVD was produced by Chris Everard. Just because David Icke appears on it doesn't mean he is responsible for everything it contains. I suggest you find a way to ask Chris about that.

I may or may not contact Chris about this. I just wondered what fellow Icke fans thought on this subject (yes i really am an Icke fan and dont be so paranoid lol). I am sure David Icke would be concerned if he was on a DVD that had dis-information which is why I asked the question in the first place.

If you really are a "fellow Icke fan," then you should also be a fan of speaking the truth no matter what anyone thinks of you. Maybe you could try that some time.

But, if you insist on pursuing your "concern," I suggest that you ask your friend, adamadam.

I agree with speaking my truth just like David Icke does and I admire him greatly for it. I dont understand your last sentence. Please explain.

To conclude, we are all David Icke fans on here (or most of us) so please graflok dont be so negative especially to first time posters like myself, you could frighten fellow activists away and I am sure you know that we should be all sticking together for the common good of our fellow man.
Like David Icke says "individually we are all like droplets of water but together we become the seas and oceans".
Please graflok let me and others ask our questions because if you try to stop us or make us feel worried about asking questions then you become the "sheep policing the sheep" and David Icke, who I respect enormously, would be the first to say he doesnt agree with that.

I hope that clarifies it.

If anyone else has more information on my original question then please post a reply :-)

Thanks again,

Steevo

[graflok]

I haven't prevented you from asking any questions, steevo, and,
in fact, that's not possible. I just thought I'd save you some
time.

But, by all means, ask all the questions you like.

I'm sure most of the forum members won't accuse you of being yet
another Scientologist attempting to manipulate the forum via devious
means once again.

[tinmenace]

Erm, not to jump the gun or anything, but maybe this is the big brass that adamadam was gonna bring in?:confused:

[john white]

For what its worth I know a fair amount about Scientology and it doesn’t impress me: though Scientology loves to seek to impress people

Consider Scientology's public campaigns against big pharma psychiatry: well I certainly sympathise with that. But I also like to look a little deeper

Modern pharma psychiatry is brutal and ignorant, there’s no doubt about it: there have been a few enlightened souls who have pointed the way, like RD Laing, yet the damage and mindlessness of big pharma psychiatry is undoubtedly going to go down in history as a dark age

Now when Scientology throws its weight (and cash) behind campaigning against it, scientology immediately gains a whole deal of sympathy, especially from anyone with any experience of how thuggish the system is: how can it be otherwise, when psychiatry is governed by a philosophy that views any spiritual awareness as potentially aberrant mental illness? Yet even on the surface, something doesn’t sit right: like how Scientology is excessive in its efforts to demonise psychiatrists, like in the LA exhibition linking psychiatry to Nazi concentration camps, and suggesting that without psychiatry the holocaust would never have happened. And of course the more Scientology paints psychiatry with a brush of darkness, the more implied is the reflected glory upon itself

Yet Scientology itself is based upon psychiatry! The clue is in the name, Science and "tology", that is Science mixed with mythology

Consider:

You see, I consider that in the early days, L Ron Hubbard was playing the illuminati at their own game and did rather well... up to a point: and within the limitations of his own highly flawed (greed/lust for power) character. Eventually he was muscling in on the Illumie mind control scams so well that he found himself blind sided everywhere he went and had to retreat to the high seas: then he essentially cut the illumies in on the deal and in the last few years/after his death, Scientology was brought into the orthodox Babylonian brotherhood fold. Now, it’s become a polished and potent vehicle for the furtherance of human control: especially with its startling ability to re-write its own history

Really, Scientology is a classic secret society. And this is what I see evidenced in its express aim of destroying psychiatry

Why is this important? Because its pulling up the stepladder on the knowledge stream from which scientology itself derives its power: Classic brotherhood behaviour!

After all, what else did Hubbard do but strip out the mechanics of psychiatry, give it some quasi-mystical spin and then sell it to people? What difference is there between massive amounts of time and money required to become "clear" through scientology and massive amounts of time and money required to become "healthy" through psychiatry? Another blimmin opposame!

Like the Mormons and the Jehovah’s witnesses, Scientology is a secret security building its power using the classical methods by the route of mythologizing science. It certainly is not a Religion: after all, it is bereft of spiritual truth: that is only the surface layer: at its heart is a classic elite pattern pyramid hierarchy.

And in classic fashion, this truth is not seen by those involved in Scientology on the ground level: they see people they meet with and bond with as a social group: the true nature of the organisation is taken as a matter of faith, and thus Scientology is free to be utilised by its Elite, hidden from the view of its members by the emotional and ego barriers raised against questioning or rational thinking by Scientological methods and material

Ultimately, it’s a quite unnecessary waste of time and is best avoided. Not that I expect that opinion to make any difference to anyone already "on the inside": no more than I would expect dire warnings would do for Masons.

Yet "by their fruits ye shall know them": and often what one gets to know from Scientologists is the nature of minds with snakes living in them: because, taking a leaf right out of Marxist Leninism, Scientologists are rarely less than devious and hardly straightforward and honest, especially about motivations: and isn’t that always the way, with those unfortunate enough to think they have THE way

[john white]

BTW, Icke definately reckons its bollocks ;)

[montag]

Yet Scientology itself is based upon psychiatry! The clue is in the name, Science and "tology", that is Science mixed with mythology
Hi John, thats not quite true.. Just to clarify here is the explanation from their own website..

"The word Scientology literally means "the study of truth." It comes from the Latin word "scio" meaning "knowing in the fullest sense of the word" and the Greek word "logos" meaning "study of."
http://www.scientology.org/en_US/religion/index.html

Here is what wiki have to say..

"Although today associated almost exclusively with Hubbard's work, the word "scientology" predates Hubbard's creation by several decades. Philologist Allen Upward used the word "scientology" in his 1901 book The New Word as a synonym for "pseudoscience,"[54] and this is sometimes cited as the first coining of the word.[55] In 1934, the Argentine-German writer Anastasius Nordenholz published a book using the word positively: Scientologie, Wissenschaft von der Beschaffenheit und der Tauglichkeit des Wissens ("Scientology, Science of the Constitution and Usefulness of Knowledge").[56] Nordenholz's book is a study of consciousness, and its usage of the word is not greatly different from Hubbard's definition, "knowing how to know".[57] However, it is not clear to what extent Hubbard was aware of these earlier uses. The word itself is a pairing of the Latin word scientia ("knowledge", "skill"), which comes from the verb scire ("to know"), and the Greek λογος lógos ("reason" or "inward thought" or "logic" or "an account of").

"Scientology would be a study of knowledge", Hubbard stated in 1952.[58] In 1960 L. Ron Hubbard defined Scientology as: "a religion by its basic tenets, practice, historical background and by the definition of the word 'religion' itself."[59] In 1969 he wrote that "It is fundamentally an applied religious philosophy.".[60]

In a lecture given on July 19, 1962 entitled "The E-meter", Hubbard said:

“ So Suzie and I went down to the library, and we started hauling books out and looking for words. And we finally found 'scio' and we find 'ology'. And there was the founding of that word. Now, that word had been used to some degree before. There had been some thought of this. Actually the earliest studies on these didn't have any name to them until a little bit along the line and then I called it anything you could think of. But we found that this word Scientology, you see—and it could have been any other word that had also been used—was the best-fitted word for exactly what we wanted. ”

The Church of Scientology defines Scientology as "'the study of truth'. It comes from the Latin word 'scio' meaning 'knowing in the fullest sense of the word' and the Greek word 'logos' meaning 'study of.'"
Scientology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[john white]

Science blended with Mythos is most certainly what Scientology is, regardless of how a brochure spins the greek. And the "pulling up the stepladder" behaviour is pure mystery school: thats my POV based on my assesment Montag, so thats what I'm sharing for this thread

What other people choose to think is, I am only too sure, their business

[graflok]

Erm, not to jump the gun or anything, but maybe this is the big brass that adamadam was gonna bring in?:confused:

Bingo! ;)

[montag]

Here's something I didn't know, James Packer Australia's richest man is a scientologist.. I was just reading this story (http://www.theage.com.au/news/people/thats-nice-of-them/2007/06/19/1182019073664.html) in the paper about his upcoming wedding. Apparently Tom Cruise is acting as the wedding celebrant.. Go figure.:confused:

More info..
James Packer and the Church of Scientology (http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien441.html)

[infin8_possibility]

Steevo there was a BBC Panorama Documentary on Scientology about a month ago. Maybe try dig it out at google video. Personally im extemely wary of any documentary made by the mainstream media but hey, it might answer some of your questions.

[eternal_spirit]

Okay :D Sorry to drag up this thread again, but for those here who haven't seen the evidence before. Follow this link to another thread on this Forum. There you'll find many links to Videos on You Tube. If you watch these, any sane person will soon realise how sinsister Scientology really is.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3777

[infinitetruth]

If scientology was part of the illuminati, why did the BBC do a documentary to try and expose it as a cult?

[ashyr]

why wouldnt they.

shock and desense. therefore when u see the real thing. your lazy faster cause your'e "seen it before mate"

[infinitetruth]

I hear ya, good point. The real culprits stay hidden then, don't they - if it appears that on the outside they are against each other ---same trick they use with political parties.

How many people have said about the political parties 'oh their all the same!' ?HAHA, YES thats because they really ARE!!

[gordonfreeman]

What to do, when you call Scientology?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wi3IK-6tiQA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eTxgftC3uUo

Make the cult mad!

You guys know they even have their own fucking website? Right?

http://www.scientology.org/

The churches of Scientology are extending an invitation to you to receive an OCA Personality Test and evaluation free of any charge or obligation.

Your personality has everything to do with your income, your future, your personal relationships, and your life.

A test of this kind would normally cost you $500.00 + more money and you become one of them or should I say "One of us, one of us!"

[chandrakavi]

In David Icke's book INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH EVERYTHING ELSE IS ILLUSION, there is a very interesting chapter called "The God Program"
where he says and shows how organized religions, in all their variety, is a system of CONTROL. So your are shown a variety and you can pick the fairy tale you like best. Also those that are not called religions but are just the same, like MONEY, FAME, POLITICS ,SUCCESS.

After all your religion is not what what your beliefs are, it is what you do in your life every second and every minute.

Through religion you find FEAR=CONTROL=POWER.

As David Icke says" When you fall for the God program the matrix has you--
big time"

So Scientology is just one more choice of them.::rolleyes:

[tinmenace]

In David Icke's book INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH EVERYTHING ELSE IS ILLUSION, there is a very interesting chapter called "The God Program"
where he says and shows how organized religions, in all their variety, is a system of CONTROL. So your are shown a variety and you can pick the fairy tale you like best. Also those that are not called religions but are just the same, like MONEY, FAME, POLITICS ,SUCCESS.

After all your religion is not what what your beliefs are, it is what you do in your life every second and every minute.

Through religion you find FEAR=CONTROL=POWER.

As David Icke says" When you fall for the God program the matrix has you--
big time"

So Scientology is just one more choice of them.::rolleyes:

Precisely, just another net to keep you trapped. They have something for everyone.

[adamadam]

I watched Illuminati Vol. 2 - The Anti-Christ Conspiracy today.
The documentary, seemed to say that L. Ron Hubbard (the founder of Scientology) was into Black magic and the occult and one of the Illuminati and was involved with the Kabbalah rituals (Note:- I will have to watch that part of the movie again to clarify exactly what was said so don't quote me yet).

Is the above true about L. Ron Hubbard ? What does David Icke think of Scientology ?

The reason I am concerned about this is because, as you have probably noticed, Tom Cruise is on the other end of a particularly viscious assault by the media in which they seem to be trying to ruin him and ultimately silence him. Tom Cruise has spoken out against the Pharmacutical companies hence the assault in my opinion. I agree with what Tom Cruise says.

When people Google "Scientology", they immediately find out that it's members are "nuts" and maybe into the occult, which I believe is a lie to dis-credit them. There seems to be tons of mis-information about it. Why ?

What concerns me most is this :-
Is mis-information being used in Illuminati Vol. 2 to dis-credit the Church of Scientology ? If so, why is David Icke associated with that DVD ?

I need to know the truth about Scientology, do any of you fellow Icke fans know anything about this ?

Cheers

Steevo


Steevo,

You make some very good points. Bad people are against Scientology because it encourages people to think and look at things for themselves rather than accepting authority. And Scientology's exposure of psychiatry as a method used by the "illuminati" for mind control stirs things up.

I doubt David knows much about Scientology but the principles he talks about are almost all very similar to Scientology principles.

[adamadam]

In David Icke's book INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH EVERYTHING ELSE IS ILLUSION, there is a very interesting chapter called "The God Program"
where he says and shows how organized religions, in all their variety, is a system of CONTROL. So your are shown a variety and you can pick the fairy tale you like best. Also those that are not called religions but are just the same, like MONEY, FAME, POLITICS ,SUCCESS.

After all your religion is not what what your beliefs are, it is what you do in your life every second and every minute.

Through religion you find FEAR=CONTROL=POWER.

As David Icke says" When you fall for the God program the matrix has you--
big time"

So Scientology is just one more choice of them.::rolleyes:

Scientology is not just one more choice of them any more than David Icke is just one more choice.

The Illuminati gain their power by effective organisation and harmful propaganda.

The only way to defeat them is by effective organisation plus truth, given the fact that 80% of people are sociable rather than anti-sociable.

Now many people associate organisation with control and power is often abused. Scientology gets around that by stating all it's policies openly and doesn't allow you to violate those policies. So if you agree with the policies (and if you read them you will) then you'll see how a good organisation works.

It is true that there have been attempts to infiltrate and destroy Scientology (in particulular the monumental battle with the IRS), but because of the policies we have they were unsuccessful.

[john white]

It is true that there have been attempts to infiltrate and destroy Scientology (in particulular the monumental battle with the IRS), but because of the policies we have they were unsuccessful

That would be infiltrating cultists into the IRS to take control of the investigation, yes?

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

that was weird...

[abrilliantone]

All religions,cults,new age or whatever they want to call themselves is garbage. Scientology falls in there somewhere. If anyone or group that does not talk about I Am Infinite Oneness,I Am Infinite Love. But rather i'm down here and our "magnificent saviour" is up there or wherever. Then that is a tool use to control you and I don't want no part of that garbage. And in the case of the media vs.Tom Cruise and his "Scientology beliefs". Oh that's just a dose of "oppo-sames" feeding the sheeps their helpings of polarities. :cool: