Why the fuck is there fluoride in my toothpaste?

[vladmir]

So this 'Colgate' tothpaste that i am using contains 'sodium fluoride' as a key ingredient.
Guys, what is the MAIN INGREDIENT used to produce Rat poison?
Its Sodium Flouride.

What the fuck is 1000 PPM of fluoride doing in my toothpaste?

Slowly trying to kill me isint it. :mad:

Im off to the store to get an all natural flouride-free toothpaste, and i urge you readers to do the same.
Incidently, what does your toothpaste say?
Does it have Sodium flouride/flouride in it?

[vladmir]

http://www.aroma-essence.com/research-reports/fluoride.html

FLUORIDE...
Making Toothpaste a Toxic Drug
by Jim Lynn

If you haven't read the back of your toothpaste label recently, you are in for shock. On my desk in front of me is a tube of Kids Crest, billed as a "Sodium FLUORIDE Anticavity Toothpaste." Straight forward enough except for one thing...there's a new WARNING LABEL on the back that reads;

"WARNINGS: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek PROFESSIONAL HELP or contact a POISON CONTROL center immediately."

If the words "professional help" and "poison control center" don't grab your attention, they should. Since mid-1997, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has mandated all toothpastes containing FLUORIDE to carry this warning. And for good reason.

An overwhelming, growing body of evidence, plus old WWII secret government documents now available all point to FLUORIDE as being a toxic drug NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. (1) Even the FDA has finally raised an eyebrow...enough to mandate this warning be included on labeling. The mandate is significant because it means the FDA now regards fluoride laden toothpaste as a potential toxic drug!

The percentage of fluoride cannot be above 1000 ppm for adult and 500 ppm for children. The Crest "Kid's" formula contains 0.15% w/v fluoride ion. (2) So how is that legally possible? It's obvious that Crest is deliberately targeting small children ...the same group of kids the WARNING LABEL is pointing to.

If the formulation contains fluoride ion higher than 1000 ppm, it can cause poison; and the fluoride ion can react with calcium ion and magnesium in the human body and cause low level calcium ion and magnesium ion in blood. In some cases it has caused heart and muscle problems. If a child were to take a big spoonful of this fluoride and get it down, it is a poison that could kill the child. That is why the government has finally decided to act on this long standing issue regarding fluoridation.

Of course, many communities have fluoridated their drinking water for many years now, supposedly to fight tooth decay. But, John R. Lee, M.D. a fluoride toxicity researcher since 1972, calls that a myth. He further states the myth has been perpetuated via "clever propaganda." He believes adding fluoride to water supplies was a contrivance to dispose of waste byproducts from the fertilizer and aluminum industries. There is a large volume of evidence to support his belief. (3)

Dr. Lee has established a direct link between fluoride use, osteoporosis and increased incidence of hip fractures in his report, A Brief Account of the Fluoridation And Hip Fracture Problem.

Today a growing number of doctors and researchers are expressing concern over public exposure to the chemical, which has led some cities to vote against water contamination with fluoridation. Jonathon Wright, M.D., medical researcher of the Tahoma Clinic in Kent Washington says that, "When folks are fully informed (about fluoride), they usually turn it down." (4)

Even so, fluoridation of water and toothpaste continues to be endorsed by various health officials and the American Dental Association (ADA).

How much fluoride are you ingesting? There's no way to know if you are ingesting over the recommended levels or not. Even if you don't use a fluoride toothpaste or routinely drink water from a source that is fluoridated, you still may be ingesting unknown levels of fluoride. Many commercial sodas, juices and other water-based food products may contain fluoride if they are produced where the water is fluoridated.

As for toothpaste, I recommend you use a proven formula of natural ingredients, free of harmful chemicals. (see what EOO's disclaimer above says about chemicals and drugs)
Resources:

1. Fluoride, Teeth and the Atomic Bomb
http://www.trufax.org/catalog/fluoro.html

2. Weber State Annual Laboratory Research Report 1996-97

3. Fluoridation: A Cash Crop for Industrial Pollution
Weber State University abstract for Thieves Toothpaste

4. Newsweek, November 2, 1998
Health+Fitness Winter Edition, p 18

5. Additional Information available at Leading Edge International Research Group http://www.trufax.org

[vladmir]

Guys again, check your toothpaste brands.
If its Colgate or Pepsodent or any of these big multinational brands, chances are you are exposing yourself and your kids to toxic poison!
Change your toothpaste immediately to one that is fluoride free.

[stinky catz]

I use Toms of Maine Toothpaste (http://www.tomsofmaine.com/products/product-detail.aspx?id=34&name=Antiplaque%20Propolis%20&%20Myrrh%20Toothpaste&s3=MzQ=). Fluoride Free ;)

I suggest the cinnamon flavor :p

*They do have Fluoride Toothpaste brands, so be watchful, but they also have non-fluoride brands as well.

[upsetbrit]

Me to my gastrointestinal consultant: "Why did i get Crohn's disease?"
My consultant: "Toothpaste" (walks away to finish his morning rounds).

Nuff said...

[helloperator]

Why the hell did you fall for the toothpaste scam in the first place? You really think colgate cares about your teeth? What the hell were you thinking to buy toothpaste?

lol....you get what you bought buddy.

Crazy!!

You went and paid for it and now you're crying because you fell for the scam and now you blame colgate? Blame yourself.

Come on!! Wake up dood

[cleft_asunder]

So this 'Colgate' tothpaste that i am using contains 'sodium fluoride' as a key ingredient.
Guys, what is the MAIN INGREDIENT used to produce Rat poison?
Its Sodium Flouride.

What the fuck is 1000 PPM of fluoride doing in my toothpaste?

Slowly trying to kill me isint it. :mad:

Im off to the store to get an all natural flouride-free toothpaste, and i urge you readers to do the same.
Incidently, what does your toothpaste say?
Does it have Sodium flouride/flouride in it?

Were you drunk when you wrote that? Cause I was when I read it.

[vladmir]

Were you drunk when you wrote that? Cause I was when I read it.
i dont drink.
but hey, if you are drunk right now, the following quotes will be very sobering.

quote from:
http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/FLUORIDE.html
Go into any large hardware store, Look for RAT POISON, look at ingredients - there is only one ingredient- Sodium Fluoride, the most toxic, ionic molecule outside of Potassium Dichromate. Sodium Fluoride is piling up as an industrial by product, and they need to find a way to dispose of this toxin.
......
Studies have now confirmed a dramatic increase in osteosarcoma (bone cancer) in young males exposed to fluoride during growth of the bones and a 5% increase in all types of cancers in fluoridated communities. Fluoridation does not reduce tooth decay. Adding fluoride to drinking water has not been shown to be effective in reducing tooth decay. In blinded animal studies there was no correlation to the amount of fluoride and tooth decay. In the human populations fluoridation was not effective in reducing tooth decay. In fact, tooth decay has decreased more in some nonfluoridated communities than in fluoridated ones. Fluorosis is a disease (health effect) caused by fluoride. According to the National Research Council fluorosis affects 8 to 51% and sometimes as many as 80% of the children growing up in areas where drinking water contains one part per million (1 ppm) fluoride. Fluoride also can have a deleterious effect on bone growth and cause premature joint and ligament aging. The visible damage to tooth surfaces results in mottled, brittle teeth that are prone to fracture and may cost many thousands of dollars to cosmetically repair. I also give you the fact that RAT POISON, a Toxic Industrial byproduct, consists of only sodium fluoride. Europe and Japan have virtually abolished water fluoridation. Why is it the most advanced and powerful nation on earth continues to dump tons of this toxic industrial waste byproduct into our water supply?
.....

FACTS ABOUT FLUORIDE

- Fluoride is a waste by-product of the fertilizer and aluminum industry and it's also a Part II Poison under the UK Poisons Act 1972.

- Fluoride is one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin nerve gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUoride).

- USAF Major George R. Jordan testified before Un-American Activity committees of Congress in the 1950's that in his post as U.S.-Soviet liaison officer, the Soviets openly admitted to "Using the fluoride in the water supplies in their concentration camps, to make the prisoners stupid, docile, and subservient."

- The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. ( Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin .)

- 97% of western Europe has rejected fluoridated water due to the known health risks, however 10% of Britons drink it and the UK government is trying to fast track the fluoridation of the entire country's water supply.

- In Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg fluoridation of water was rejected because it was classified as compulsive medication against the subject's will and therefore violated fundamental human rights.

- In November of 2006, the American Dental Association (ADA) advised that parents should avoid giving babies fluoridated water.

- Sources of fluoride include: fluoride dental products, fluoride pesticides, fluoridated pharmaceuticals, processed foods made with fluoridated water, and tea.

[vladmir]

Quoted from:
http://writerspiece.blogspot.com/2007/08/fluoride-efficient-rat-poison.html

There is another substance called Sodium Fluoride, a by-product of the aluminium industry, which has been a major pollutant of rivers and streams since 1900. This product is deadly poison, it poisons all animal life that consumes it, even in small quantities it is capable of causing death, and no effective antidote has been found.

The first documented use of sodium fluoride in drinking water was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. There were are told that allegedly the reason for medicating the water supply was to sterilize women and force the inhabitants of these camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G.Farben" by Joseph Borkin)

This same sodium fluoride, which we now drink in the name of fighting tooth decay, has been used as rat poison for nearly 40 years.
"Sodium Fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colourless, odourless, tasteless, no remedy, no hope: Instant extermination of rats."....Dr. E.H. Bronner, Mfg.Research Chemist, Los Angeles.) Nephew of Albert Einstein!

We also know that the human body is comprised of 70% water which make it the most beneficial liquid that we can consume. All beverages contain water, however, infusions such as alcohol, tea and coffee also contain strong diuretics which rid the body of water. If we are wise about our water consumption this diuretic effect can be balanced by taking in more water. But what does it mean for our body's when this water that we drink is fluoridated?

Sodium Fluoride cannot be assimilated by the body. It becomes instant poison, because it cannot be eliminated without much extra effort from the kidneys. This means that there is always a build-up in the system. Allegedly kidney patients have died in the same way as rats, because they need to drink a great deal of water to flush out the toxins, a job that their malfunctioning kidneys find impossible. They are consuming a greater quantity of Sodium Fluoride than the average person in a shorter timespan, and some have found the strain on their systems too great.

Far from preserving or promoting 'dental health', fluoridated water destroys teeth, both in children and adults, the destructive mottling and pitting are the first signs of the condition, until complete break down takes place.

We willingly drive a round trip of 80 miles every 2 weeks to collect spring water from a well-known spa town in the U.K. Buying 15 gallons of bottled water would be financially impossible, and we also know that we are putting extra stress on the environment, but compared to our fluoridated tap water, the water that we collect is clear, fresh and sweet, and of course brimming with natural earth energy.

If it is possible for you to collect bacteria free water from a natural source, then I urge you to do it. I have no idea if my intellect is sharper because I don't drink fluoridated tap water, perhaps it is or I wouldn't be inspired to write this article. I do know that sodium fluoride is an ingredient in the drug of choice for depression Prozac, and knowing this fact alone would cause me to examine the truth of this matter.

[vladmir]

Why the hell did you fall for the toothpaste scam in the first place? You really think colgate cares about your teeth? What the hell were you thinking to buy toothpaste?

lol....you get what you bought buddy.

Crazy!!

You went and paid for it and now you're crying because you fell for the scam and now you blame colgate? Blame yourself.

Come on!! Wake up dood

Go ahead. laugh. if innocent people unknowingly ingesting poison is funny to you, knock yourself out.

[orbandsceptre27]

Why the fuck is there fluoride in my toothpaste?

You`re lucky it`s only in your toothpaste mate - We`re one of the last European countries to still have it in our tap water.......... sad but true!

[netta]

Just say no.
http://miami.media.indypgh.org/uploads/2008/03/150108fluoride.jpg

I was reading some of the history about how the city I was born in has evolved, and then I discovered that it was the first town in my state to fluoridate water in 1951. Sick stuff.

[vladmir]

You`re lucky it`s only in your toothpaste mate - We`re one of the last European countries to still have it in our tap water.......... sad but true!
i wish.
its already in our water too. :mad:

[vladmir]

Just say no.
Sick stuff.
i agree netta, its just sickening how evil these agendas really are,
and how ignorant the people are regarding the severe side-effects of ingesting fluoride.

[musti]

thanks for the post vladmir. i realized that the toothpaste i use (crest) has sodium floride, i'll check for alternatives.

i'm curious about how much of it should you get to be poisoned. i knew a lot of kids who used to eat a lot of toothpaste like eating candies! :eek:

[vladmir]

thanks for the post vladmir. i realized that the toothpaste i use (crest) has sodium floride, i'll check for alternatives.
thank you very much for posting!!! :)
Atleast 1 person has now realized something that he didnt know before,
has actually gone to the bathroom,
picked up his toothpaste and seen the ingredients list,
and has discovered a fluoride compound!

This is exactly the point of this thread!!

[vladmir]

i'm curious about how much of it should you get to be poisoned. i knew a lot of kids who used to eat a lot of toothpaste like eating candies! :eek:

exactly.
i clearly remember an advertisement by colgate when i was younger,
and in this advertisement, they show a young kid ,
and he is like "mmm, this toothpaste tastes so minty, its delicious, is it ok if i eat it?"
He dosent actually say this, but his gestures are that he has swallowed some toothpaste, and then this guy in a white suit comes along, and says to the kid and the viewer
"Dont worry if your kid likes the taste and eats a little of it, this is safe to ingest."


can you believe this????
i actually remember advertisement, and yes, the frikkin toothpaste did taste 'minty-fresh' (that brand still does) and when i was younger i did eat it maybe 3 or 4 times just for fun.

I would suggest please go ahead and read and download the following books:
The fluoride deception-
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5401416/THE-FLUORIDE-DECEPTION

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6821302/Confession-of-a-Communist-and-Fluoride

http://www.scribd.com/doc/5347681/FLUORIDE-FACTS-YOU-MAY-NOT-KNOW

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6338178/Fluoridation-Part1

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6338238/Fluoridation-Part2


Fluoride Fatigue by Bruce Spittle
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4098849/Fluoride-Fatigue-

[beldazar]

My 5 year old son has a habit of swallowing his toothpast instead of spitting it out which I imagine lots of small children may do. Fortunately he has non-flouride pase now. I urge all parents to make sure your children have FLOURIDE FREE!



And just to add. The other day I went into Kayes chemist to buy some more Kingfisher natural flouride free toothpast and there were nbone on the shelf, when I asked why the assistant told me they werent doing any more as its not selling,


So be quick and stock up!

[illuminati downfall]

So this 'Colgate' tothpaste that i am using contains 'sodium fluoride' as a key ingredient.
Guys, what is the MAIN INGREDIENT used to produce Rat poison?
Its Sodium Flouride.

What the fuck is 1000 PPM of fluoride doing in my toothpaste?

Slowly trying to kill me isint it. :mad:

Im off to the store to get an all natural flouride-free toothpaste, and i urge you readers to do the same.
Incidently, what does your toothpaste say?
Does it have Sodium flouride/flouride in it?


I have been seriously considering looking for an alternative toothpaste for a while now... one that is free of fluoride. Your post actually really inspired me to get going on that. thanks. :D I'm thinking of where I might be able to find a non-fluoride brand of toothpaste in this town. I'm think of the natural health store downtown. Yep, sure enough.. I am making the switch.

[musti]

Atleast 1 person has now realized something that he didnt know before,
has actually gone to the bathroom,
picked up his toothpaste and seen the ingredients list,
and has discovered a fluoride compound!

This is exactly the point of this thread!!

hi vlad,

as long as you post the information with genuine intent i'm sure many people will do what i've done. that's not only what this thread but this entire forum is all about; sharing information with each other and possibly acting on them :)

thanks again for pointing this out.

[musti]

I have been seriously considering looking for an alternative toothpaste for a while now... one that is free of fluoride. Your post actually really inspired me to get going on that. thanks. :D I'm thinking of where I might be able to find a non-fluoride brand of toothpaste in this town. I'm think of the natural health store downtown. Yep, sure enough.. I am making the switch.

i see that you are from canada just like me. i was looking for fluoride free toothpaste and found a canadian website. thought i should share...

http://well.ca/products/toms-of-maine-peppermint-fluoride_6697.html

[anthony65]

Thanks from me as well for posting this thread!

There are so many issues to try to get to grips with, I always appreciate it when someone makes the effort to highlight the most pertinent facts.

One question:

Is "fluoride" always the same?

I see references here so "sodium fluoride".

Are the others?

Is there any natural source of flouride?

My understanding that fluoride os often a by-product of making aluminium.

As usual, http://www.whale.to/ is a great place to find this kind of information.

Here's the http://www.whale.to/d/fluoride.html page.

Let's see if I can find the answers to my own questions! :rolleyes:

[antinwo]

My 5 year old son has a habit of swallowing his toothpast instead of spitting it out which I imagine lots of small children may do. Fortunately he has non-flouride pase now. I urge all parents to make sure your children have FLOURIDE FREE!



And just to add. The other day I went into Kayes chemist to buy some more Kingfisher natural flouride free toothpast and there were nbone on the shelf, when I asked why the assistant told me they werent doing any more as its not selling,


So be quick and stock up!


Aw that is a shame did you know that non flouride toothpastes contain laryl sulphate and that is dangerous to health also does anyone know of any toothpaste with this not in:confused:

[theuselesseater]

The choices for people who vote against toxicity is somewhat limited with regards to fluoride free toothpaste.

The daily mail last year listed 3 options.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1048309/The-Fluoride-free-way-healthy-smile.html

Boots online does NOT list their own brand fluoride free toothpaste; however it may still be available in store.

I was speaking to someone recently about MSG, but it equally applies to Fluoride in that it is becoming increasingly difficult to avoid exposure to toxins in our diets.

Aspartame is in everything from drinks to crisps and even vitamin C tablets. MSG is added to a huge number of products and often hidden under a different name.

While Fluoride is added to water, toothpaste and is present in baby milk formula.

The war is not against the masses of people, they are quite happy to remain ignorant about what they ingest; it is against those of you who choose not to ingest toxic materials.

Unfortunately it is becoming harder to make that choice...

Theuselesseater

[pinkfreud]

So this 'Colgate' tothpaste that i am using contains 'sodium fluoride' as a key ingredient.
Guys, what is the MAIN INGREDIENT used to produce Rat poison?
Its Sodium Flouride.

What the fuck is 1000 PPM of fluoride doing in my toothpaste?

Slowly trying to kill me isint it. :mad:

Im off to the store to get an all natural flouride-free toothpaste, and i urge you readers to do the same.
Incidently, what does your toothpaste say?
Does it have Sodium flouride/flouride in it?


hi vlad,

i know a staggering majority of the toothpastes have fluoride, but fortunately for both you and me, we live in a country where there is an abundance of ayurvedic options available.

we've sadly been conditioned to believed mnc's and 'international' products are of a better quality (this includes colgate). i use meswak toothpaste. other excellent indian toothpastes would be neem, dabur red, and vicco dantmanjan (yeah, as dumb as those ads are :rolleyes: it's a very good product).

these toothpastes don't have fluoride (on the other hand, himalaya dental cream does- so stay away from it; just another greedy pharma company posing as an ayurvedic brand) and are very, very handy indeed. i'd advise you to switch to any of those brands ^^



edit: i must also mention here, that the older generations in india used ayurvedic tooth powder (not paste) and daatun, and had wonderful, strong and healthy teeth. we'd probably get laughed at for using tooth powder in this day and age, but if things get worse over time- i would not hesitate to make the switch.

[runciter]

What the fuck is 1000 PPM of fluoride doing in my toothpaste?

Slowly trying to kill me isint it. :mad:


they're only trying to stop the awakening: they want to be the only illuminati in town.

fluoride directly affects the pineal gland, that is the 'sixth sense' organ (third eye etc).

[lookfar]

I haven't used a fluoride toothpaste for a couple of years now. Me and my son use AloeDent, which is 100% natural and available in most health shops/online. I usually buy in bulk as you can't get the childrens one in the shops. There are various versions; Sensitive, Whitening etc and usually costs about £3.50, which is a bit more expensive than most, but worth it imo.

[runciter]

a very recent fluoride / pineal gland thread:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50407

[vladmir]

I have been seriously considering looking for an alternative toothpaste for a while now... one that is free of fluoride. Your post actually really inspired me to get going on that. thanks.

hi vlad,

as long as you post the information with genuine intent i'm sure many people will do what i've done. that's not only what this thread but this entire forum is all about; sharing information with each other and possibly acting on them :)

thanks again for pointing this out.

Thanks from me as well for posting this thread!

There are so many issues to try to get to grips with, I always appreciate it when someone makes the effort to highlight the most pertinent facts.

Thank you for all your posts :) Im glad we all participated in this thread.


we've sadly been conditioned to believed mnc's and 'international' products are of a better quality (this includes colgate). i use meswak toothpaste. other excellent indian toothpastes would be neem, dabur red, and vicco turmeric (yeah, as dumb as those ads are :rolleyes: it's a very good product).
Coincidently, i was just about to post those very names that you've recommended as an alternative thats available in India. :)

The first brand that came in my mind is 'meswak'.
I remember using that brand a few years ago, but it tasted like 'sweet saunf' :D
http://www.fotosearch.com/bthumb/STK/STK107/DPL1480.jpg

And i didnt like that taste,
but now its clear.
Screw the taste,
im only going to use Ayurvedic toothpastes from now on!

[pduffy4]

So this 'Colgate' tothpaste that i am using contains 'sodium fluoride' as a key ingredient.
Guys, what is the MAIN INGREDIENT used to produce Rat poison?
Its Sodium Flouride.

What the fuck is 1000 PPM of fluoride doing in my toothpaste?

Slowly trying to kill me isint it. :mad:

Im off to the store to get an all natural flouride-free toothpaste, and i urge you readers to do the same.
Incidently, what does your toothpaste say?
Does it have Sodium flouride/flouride in it?

Boots does a Fluride free toothpaste for 99p (UK)

I may try AloeDent that Lookfar mentioned. A bit expensive for my crap teeth but if it's better that the Boots stuff then I may try it.

[vladmir]

edit: i must also mention here, that the older generations in india used ayurvedic tooth powder (not paste) and daatun, and had wonderful, strong and healthy teeth. we'd probably get laughed at for using tooth powder in this day and age, but if things get worse over time- i would not hesitate to make the switch.
hehe yeah you can count me in as well, im not going to hesitate from using even a neem-twig if that is what it takes. A neem tree grows in my backyard.

[pduffy4]

I haven't used a fluoride toothpaste for a couple of years now. Me and my son use AloeDent, which is 100% natural and available in most health shops/online. I usually buy in bulk as you can't get the childrens one in the shops. There are various versions; Sensitive, Whitening etc and usually costs about £3.50, which is a bit more expensive than most, but worth it imo.

Below link 6 x Aloehttp://www.quickvit.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=optima+whit&gclid=CPb_5r_xoZgCFUsa3godNDP0lADent for £16.80

[drc_]

Yup yup, just one of the many ways they're using to destroy our brian-functions. Mainly to disconnect the left and right brain from eachother.

When I think back to my youth, I remember I got fluoride treatments at the dentist, sitting for an hour in a a chair with some plastic braces in your mouth filled with fluoride (and the dentist tells you as a little kid NOT to swallow it, but the fuckers add some flavour to it which makes you wanna swallow it anyway!). Luckily for me I was quite obedient at that age, so I hardly ever swallowed any of that crap.

My (ex)-girlfriend is 7 years older than me, and she remembers getting fluoride pills, just to suck on and evidently swallow, which is somehow supposed to be good for your teeth!

It's just one of the many brain supressants. Good to see there's still people discovering this! Spread the word!

I stopped using toothpaste with fluoride only about a year ago, and it feels great!
I use Parodontax fluoride free, it's supposed to contain all kinds of herbs and salts to do the cleaning.

[dreamweaver]

So this 'Colgate' tothpaste that i am using contains 'sodium fluoride' as a key ingredient.
Guys, what is the MAIN INGREDIENT used to produce Rat poison?
Its Sodium Flouride.

So what? The MAIN INGREDIENT in a lot of things is water.

Warfarin is a rat poison and that is routinely used in humans to prevent bloodclotting.

There are some negative aspects to the use of sodium fluoride - but the argument you're using above is a very poor one.

[runciter]

Yup yup, just one of the many ways they're using to destroy our brian-functions. Mainly to disconnect the left and right brain from eachother.


the pineal gland is located exactly at the center of the brain.

i think there's some israel/pineal correlation, west and east, left brain and right brain..

[brainstormer]

Can we get a list of all the Fluoride-free toohpaste out there.

Also, is there a way of filtering this poison from our water supply? I have a Britta water filter, but I don't think it filters fluoride.

[the worm that turned]

Guys again, check your toothpaste brands.
If its Colgate or Pepsodent or any of these big multinational brands, chances are you are exposing yourself and your kids to toxic poison!
Change your toothpaste immediately to one that is fluoride free.

Did that a while back but my other half continues to use fluoride containing poison as it tastes better!! :(

I think I will show her the latest FDA warning on toothpastes!

[the worm that turned]

Can we get a list of all the Fluoride-free toohpaste out there.

Also, is there a way of filtering this poison from our water supply? I have a Britta water filter, but I don't think it filters fluoride.

Distillation is one way of removing ALL unwanted chemicals etc in water. Distillation will produce PURE H2O but it will also remove any minerals that are good for you, so remember to take some nutrient/mineral supplements (and/or eat healthy organic food).

[the worm that turned]

So what? The MAIN INGREDIENT in a lot of things is water.

Warfarin is a rat poison and that is routinely used in humans to prevent bloodclotting.

There are some negative aspects to the use of sodium fluoride - but the argument you're using above is a very poor one.

Warfarin is not routinely used and given to children on a daily basis across the Western world though

[dreamweaver]

Distillation is one way of removing ALL unwanted chemicals etc in water. Distillation will produce PURE H2O

Not quite true. Distillation can only remove substances that are physically mixed with the water. It can't remove anything that is chemically bonded to the H2O molecule.

Fortunately most substances can be distilled out.

[runciter]

dreamweaver why are you equating fluoride with water?

So what? The MAIN INGREDIENT in a lot of things is water.

[danster82]

http://www.valleynaturals.com/swatches/50811_L_vvs_000.jpg

get this from sainsburys

[whiteshadow]

I copied and pasted this from the British Dental Health Foundation Website
http://www.dentalhealth.org.uk/faqs/leafletdetail.php?LeafletID=17


What is fluoride?

Fluoride is a natural mineral that is found in many foods and in all drinking water. The amount of Fluoride in the water varies from area to area.

What are the benefits of fluoride?

Fluoride can greatly help dental health by strengthening the tooth enamel, making it more resistant to tooth decay. It also reduces the amount of acid that the bacteria on your teeth produce. Children who have fluoride when their teeth are developing tend to have shallower grooves in their teeth so plaque can be more easily removed. Plaque is a thin, sticky film of bacteria that constantly forms on your teeth. The addition of fluoride to water has been researched for over 50 years and water fluoridation has been proven to reduce decay by 40-60%.

Where can I find fluoride?

Fluoride is found naturally in many foods and water supplies, and is also added to some drinking water supplies. One part of fluoride for every million parts of water (1 ppm) has bee shown to have the best effect. All water contains some fluoride. Your local water supplier can tell you the level of fluoride in your drinking water.


Is fluoride in my water supply?

Possibly. However, only a few places (Hartlepool in the North East of England , and parts of Essex) have enough natural fluoride to benefit dental health. Elsewhere it is added to only around 10 percent of the UK population's water supply - mainly in the West Midlands and the North East. Your water supplier will be able to tell you whether your water supply is fluoridated. The amount of fluoride in the water will vary depending on which area you live in. Fluoride is also naturally present in foods and drinks such as fish and tea, and some countries add fluoride to their table salt and milk instead of fluoridating the water supplies. One cup of tea can contain between 0.3mg and 0.5mg of fluoride, and if you drink it with milk your teeth will also benefit from the calcium. It is best to drink tea without sugar to reduce the risk of dental decay further.


What about fluoride toothpaste?

Most toothpastes now ontain fluoride, and most people get their fluoride this way. Fluoride toothpaste is very effective in preventing tooth decay. The amount of fluoride in toothpaste is usually enough to lessen the level of decay. In areas where the water supply is fluoridated, fluoride toothpaste gives extra protection. Parents should supervise their children's tooth brushing, and use only a smear or pea-sized amount of fluoride toothpaste until they are about 7 years old.


Should people have extra fluoride?

Children living in poorer areas where the water supplies are not fluoridated can have 5 times more decay than children living in better-off or fluoridated areas. Research suggests that adding fluoride to the water is the best way of reducing these 'dental inequalities'. Your dentist or dental hygienist can apply fluoride to your teeth. These come as gels and are more concentrated than self-applied fluorides, and therefore are not needed as often. Some adults can benefit from these application. Fluoride gels can help to reduce root decay - especially in people with dry mouth. Some people are more prone to tooth decay and the dentis may also advise using fluoride supplements as well as fluoride toothpaste for extra protection. It is very important that fluoride supplements are only taken on the advice of a dentist, and theat they are used in the way they say. Supplements are suitable for children from about 3 onwards and can help reduce decay.


What are the side effects of fluoride?

�Dental fluorosis� is caused by having too much fluoride when the teeth are developing. This can ahppen when fluoride supplements are taken by children under 7 who live in areas where the water supply is fluoridated. It can also happen when children swallow toothpaste.


What is fluorosis?

In its mildest form, dental fluorosis appears as very fine pearly white lines or flecking on the surface of the teeth. This mild fluorosis can often only be spotted by a dental expert. Severe fluorosis may lead to the enamel being pitted and discoloured. Fortunately, severe fluorosis is rare in the UK.
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Is fluoride safe?

Many reports have been published throughout the world about the pros and cons of fluoride. After many years the scientific conclusion is that fluoride toothpaste and correctly fluoridated water, salt and milk are of great benefit to dental health and help to reduce decay, and cause no harmful side effects to general health. Recent studies carried out for the government by York University and the Medical Research Council have failed to find any evidence that fluoride added to water causes harmful side effects. Opponents of fluoridation claim they have firm evidence that fluoride added to water is harmful. However, scientific analysis has not supported their claims. Worldwide, over 300 million people drink fluoridated water supplies. Many millions more regularly use fluoridated toothpaste. In America for example, well over half of the population have fluoridated water supplies. This has led to improved levels of dental health which in turn benefits general health.



I have just checked my own toothpaste 'Colgate Sensitive whitening' and found it contains 1500ppm of Sodium Monoflourophosphate. The trouble is because I don't experience any 'effects' that I can attribute to this I am unsure who to believe. I suppose it is common sense to not ingest a toxic chemical, so that should probably be enough already.

But..
Does anyone have any sources of credible evidence to refute the findings of the MRC? Thanks.

[whitewolf]

I've been getting flouride free for a while now, whenever I can. I'm trying the 'Hymalaya' brand right now, Yes, I checked the ingredients NO flouride or lauryl sulphides. Tastes nice too BUT it costs 7 Euros here :eek: all the other natural brands were the same price. So I'm looking into mailordering from UK, especially now the pound is less than the euro :eek::eek: I just found a great site for natural, chemical free, shampoos, lotions, soaps etc, good price too.

www.purenuffstuff.com

Of course the best solution is prevention which amounts to a natural healthy diet; NO refined sugar, NO refined carbs, (so that emits nearly all health destroyng foods) fresh veg and fruit, pulses, nuts etc.
A soft toothbrush with a dab of bicarbonate of soda or even natural sea salt will be enough. Doesn't taste as nice though.
Also don't forget how dangerous amalgam fillings are, more than 50% mercury. I had all mine replaced with resin 8 yrs ago. I've never allowed mercury fillings in my childrens teeth either. It's yet another attempt to make us sick. Check it out.

peace and love to all

[ownoiz]

A soft toothbrush with a dab of bicarbonate of soda or even natural sea salt will be enough.

Saltwater...thats the way...Its the brush that does the work...we have been programmed to use toothpaste from a young age. In the spirit of the thread title i ask...

Why the fuck do we need toothpaste?
.

[beldazar]

Aw that is a shame did you know that non flouride toothpastes contain laryl sulphate and that is dangerous to health also does anyone know of any toothpaste with this not in:confused:

Yes thats right Antinwo, we have two types here, one is Smile Boots brand flouride free but has lauryl sulphate and I have just bought Kingfisher flouride free, baking soda one and Aloe vera tea tree fennel one

Ingredients for aloe...

calcium carbonate
glycerin
aqua
sodium lauyrl sulphate says its from palm oil
hydrated silica
cellulose gum
tea tree
foeniculum (from fennel)
aloe berdensis (aloe vera)
anethole (from fennel)
limonene (from fennel

So....still not right then :mad:

Says its approved by british dental foundation for natural toothpaste :rolleyes:

[wildheartx]

You know what pisses me off is when you go to the dentist and they peddle this crap that damages your teeth. I had words with my dentist and the look on his face was priceless. It was like i had insulted his mother, i told him it was rat poison and it erodes enamel. His reply"well some people are sensitive to it' ditto with mercury SENSITIVE TO MERCURY! I laughed my ass off. He then told me there was mercury in oatmeal as a defence?! They're fucking dumwits. It got even worse too, i asked him why theres fluoride in some bonding agents for composites. He said for the dentist's protection. I asked what the hell it meant in English and why the hell do you need protecting. I got a blank stare.

I tell you the dental profession is insane, absolutely fucking insane.

[the worm that turned]

My 5 year old son has a habit of swallowing his toothpast instead of spitting it out which I imagine lots of small children may do. Fortunately he has non-flouride pase now. I urge all parents to make sure your children have FLOURIDE FREE!



And just to add. The other day I went into Kayes chemist to buy some more Kingfisher natural flouride free toothpast and there were nbone on the shelf, when I asked why the assistant told me they werent doing any more as its not selling,


So be quick and stock up!

Ethical Superstore sell it online

[whitewolf]

Why the fuck do we need toothpaste?
.[/QUOTE]

Nice one :D

or shampoo and soap for that matter, with a natural healthy diet and lifestyle our bodies are self cleaning and not smelly.

This shower-a-day or even every two days culture we live in destroys are bodies natural balance and pollutes the enviroment. At least choose natural non polluting products to clean our bodies with if showering once a week or more is intolerable or impractical.

peace love and enlightenment to all

[dreamweaver]

dreamweaver why are you equating fluoride with water?

So what? The MAIN INGREDIENT in a lot of things is water.

I was pointing out your flawed logic, that's all. Being the "main ingredient" of something is rarely relevant. Main active ingredient is quite another matter.

[pinkfreud]

Coincidently, i was just about to post those very names that you've recommended as an alternative thats available in India. :)

The first brand that came in my mind is 'meswak'.
I remember using that brand a few years ago, but it tasted like 'sweet saunf' :D
http://www.fotosearch.com/bthumb/STK/STK107/DPL1480.jpg

And i didnt like that taste,
but now its clear.
Screw the taste,
im only going to use Ayurvedic toothpastes from now on!


:eek: i LOVE the taste of meswak... when i was younger i used to eat a little everytime i brushed because i thought it was yummy :o

if you asked me to choose which of those toothpastes is better though, i'd choose dabur red. i can't tell you how strong (clove) it is- as in your fresh breath lasts for hours (provided you don't chug cigs like a chimney ;))

let me know what paste you zero in on :)

hehe yeah you can count me in as well, im not going to hesitate from using even a neem-twig if that is what it takes. A neem tree grows in my backyard.

i've got a neem tree in my neighbourhood too :D neem is like a swiss knife really... used in everything from skin treatments, ulcers, piles even... dental hygiene, ear drops... you name it.

[pinkfreud]

Yes thats right Antinwo, we have two types here, one is Smile Boots brand flouride free but has lauryl sulphate and I have just bought Kingfisher flouride free, baking soda one and Aloe vera tea tree fennel one

Ingredients for aloe...

calcium carbonate
glycerin
aqua
sodium lauyrl sulphate says its from palm oil
hydrated silica
cellulose gum
tea tree
foeniculum (from fennel)
aloe berdensis (aloe vera)
anethole (from fennel)
limonene (from fennel

So....still not right then :mad:

Says its approved by british dental foundation for natural toothpaste :rolleyes:


well, speaking of cosmetics i got this mail today from a friend regarding shampoos etc. that have been banned in the gulf. i'll list them out here if there's anyone using these, and then go on to say why they're a big no-no:

-paul mitchell
-garnier
-l'oreal elvive
-clinic all clear
-VO5
-palmolive naturals
-body shop pink grapefruit shower gel


...all these products contain sodium laureth sulfate, which is actually a floor cleaner. SLS is used so as to produce more foam.

imagine what a floor cleaner can do to your hair and scalp... it damages your roots and your skin too.



also, look out for SLS in toothpaste.



i'd posted this on a 'body shop' thread- http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47795

[runciter]

I was pointing out your flawed logic, that's all. Being the "main ingredient" of something is rarely relevant. Main active ingredient is quite another matter.

my logic? our logic? whose logic? is fluoride 'inactive', from your point of view?

[helloperator]

Go ahead. laugh. if innocent people unknowingly ingesting poison is funny to you, knock yourself out.

You're full of assumptions vlad.

You think I think it's funny.

What I really think you couldn't know.

[beldazar]

i'd posted this on a 'body shop' thread- http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47795

thanks Pink freud, I wonder if baby shampoo is safe to use.......or perhaps not! :mad:

[boots]

Saltwater...thats the way...Its the brush that does the work...we have been programmed to use toothpaste from a young age. In the spirit of the thread title i ask...

Why the fuck do we need toothpaste?
.

Very true.

.

[vladmir]

You're full of assumptions vlad.

You think I think it's funny.

What I really think you couldn't know.
Dont mind me helloperator :)

[pinkfreud]

thanks Pink freud, I wonder if baby shampoo is safe to use.......or perhaps not!

oh B, don't even get me started...

Chemicals in Baby Products Linked to Reproductive Problems in Children http://www.naturalnews.com/022777.html


Toxic Phthalates Commonly Found in Baby Powders, Lotions and Shampoos http://www.naturalnews.com/023904.html


Baby products may hold unsafe chemicals http://www.azstarnet.com/news/223511

[gorgeousgertie]

a dental nurse and dentist both said to me the toothpaste is irrelevant its the brushing thats doing stuff....the toothpaste itself if more 'cosmetic' in the way that its nice and fresh and minty etcetcetc....
apparently brushing with saltwater can weaken enamel or something if used all the time...apparently shock horror fuckin not hehehehehe its all in the brushing/flossing/mouth rinses bugger all to do with the toothpaste never hehehehehe

[beldazar]

Pink freud...


Ah FFS! Thats it! Im off to live in the woods! Saw a great 8 man tent in the army surplus store this moring, camouflaged too!

I WANT TO LIVE LIKE A WILD ANIMAL (til it rains.....:D)

[beldazar]

a dental nurse and dentist both said to me the toothpaste is irrelevant its the brushing thats doing stuff....the toothpaste itself if more 'cosmetic' in the way that its nice and fresh and minty etcetcetc....
apparently brushing with saltwater can weaken enamel or something if used all the time...apparently shock horror fuckin not hehehehehe its all in the brushing/flossing/mouth rinses bugger all to do with the toothpaste never hehehehehe

Yes Ive heard this, shame my dentist doesnt agree....he wont speak to me now for bringing up flouride :(

whats worse is that my dumb sister works there and they have branded me a nutter! :mad:

[pjpete]

Ethical Superstore sell it online

Still very new here, but have found this all very interesting and informative.

It reminded of an occasion when my son was about 4 years old (he is now 34) when ate a whole tube of Colegate toothpaste, admittedly he was quite sick afterwards. Even though he is fit now - just worries me he have caused long term damage to himself, which is yet to manifest itself.

Just an aside - I haven't posted much to date, as it is quite daunting, however I will become more prolific as time goes by.

regards
pjpete

[beldazar]

Hi Pjpete, I wouldnt worry about your son, if he was to have any adverse effects, Im sure it would have happened straight away :)

Yes it is a bit scary posting initially, it took me a while but it flows easily now

[pjpete]

Hi Pjpete, I wouldnt worry about your son, if he was to have any adverse effects, Im sure it would have happened straight away :)

Yes it is a bit scary posting initially, it took me a while but it flows easily now

Thanks - there is quite a lot I would like to comment on - just need to have more confidence.

[wildheartx]

Yes Ive heard this, shame my dentist doesnt agree....he wont speak to me now for bringing up flouride :(

whats worse is that my dumb sister works there and they have branded me a nutter! :mad:

You've busted him thats why. Typical response that you're crazy is hardly surprising. They're just trying to give eachother validation because you've shot their comfy outlook to pieces.

[vladmir]

:eek: i LOVE the taste of meswak... when i was younger i used to eat a little everytime i brushed because i thought it was yummy :o

if you asked me to choose which of those toothpastes is better though, i'd choose dabur red. i can't tell you how strong (clove) it is- as in your fresh breath lasts for hours (provided you don't chug cigs like a chimney ;))
Nah, i dont smoke :cool:

let me know what paste you zero in on :)

i've got a neem tree in my neighbourhood too :D neem is like a swiss knife really... used in everything from skin treatments, ulcers, piles even... dental hygiene, ear drops... you name it.

I went to the store, and brought back 4 different brands of toothpastes!
I was in there, taking out the tubes from their packaged boxes and examining they key ingredients and the fine print.
The store attendants must have thought im some crazy toothpaste connoisseur.
I noticed that the Vicco brand of toothpaste still had Sodium Fluoride in it.
And they dont write this on the box, you have to examine the key ingredients on the actual tube to see that.

The brands that i have for now are:
1) Dabur Meswak
im so happy to read 'Non-fluoridated toothpaste' on it!

2) Dabur Red
again, this one also says 'Non-fluoridated toothpaste!

3) Dabur Babul (with natural calcium)
Non-fluoridate foaming toothpaste

4) Dabur Babul with Neem extracts :)
no fluoride in here either.

And they are cheap too!
Rs.27 and Rs. 35 for the net weight of 190g each of both the Dabur babul brands.
The bloody Colgate toothpastes are more than double of those prices.
And for what?
So not only am i unecessarily being exposed orally to toxic rat poison in my toothpaste, im actually paying them more to have that done to me?!! :mad:

Never again. :o

Edit: and i got 2 toothbrushes free too, included in the packaging!

[fnulnu]

For anyone who wants to stop using toothpaste orally,but is fretting over wasting a supply of the stuff they might have purchased already.
Alternative uses for toothpaste:

http://www.gomestic.com/Homemaking/10-Uses-for-Toothpaste.85077

ETA: The first two suggestions can be ignored in favour of a safer alternative such as honey,but I cannot see the harm in the general household cleaning uses.

[pinkfreud]

I went to the store, and brought back 4 different brands of toothpastes!
I was in there, taking out the tubes from their packaged boxes and examining they key ingredients and the fine print.
The store attendants must have thought im some crazy toothpaste connoisseur.
I noticed that the Vicco brand of toothpaste still had Sodium Fluoride in it.
And they dont write this on the box, you have to examine the key ingredients on the actual tube to see that.

The brands that i have for now are:
1) Dabur Meswak
im so happy to read 'Non-fluoridated toothpaste' on it!

2) Dabur Red
again, this one also says 'Non-fluoridated toothpaste!

3) Dabur Babul (with natural calcium)
Non-fluoridate foaming toothpaste

4) Dabur Babul with Neem extracts :)
no fluoride in here either.

And they are cheap too!
Rs.27 and Rs. 35 for the net weight of 190g each of both the Dabur babul brands.
The bloody Colgate toothpastes are more than double of those prices.
And for what?
So not only am i unecessarily being exposed orally to toxic rat poison in my toothpaste, im actually paying them more to have that done to me?!! :mad:

Never again. :o

Edit: and i got 2 toothbrushes free too, included in the packaging!


*chuckles* oh, gotta love those ek pe ek free offers.

i always knew dabur toothpastes never had fluoride :) i'm shocked about vicco though, but oh well.

and you're right, colgate, pepsodent and all the other junk are rip offs; the ones you bought are value for money brands. i'm happy you went for it, in fact if they were exported to the west i'm sure it would not have been sold cheap. so i'm very happy using these pastes myself.

keep us updated on your dental progress when you can :D

[clint_giles]

I tell you the dental profession is insane, absolutely fucking insane.


perhaps this is why the have the highest suicide rate in all the professions next to a war vetern in the usa..

[adzboarder]

My 5 year old son has a habit of swallowing his toothpast instead of spitting it out which I imagine lots of small children may do. Fortunately he has non-flouride pase now. I urge all parents to make sure your children have FLOURIDE FREE!



And just to add. The other day I went into Kayes chemist to buy some more Kingfisher natural flouride free toothpast and there were nbone on the shelf, when I asked why the assistant told me they werent doing any more as its not selling,


So be quick and stock up!

That's what I use, the Fennel flavour one, really good, works well!

better stock up quick, Holland & Barrett only ever has one or two tubes at a time...

[jesuitsdidit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46984

commercial non-fluoride toothpaste? ( 1 2)
guuna

[jesuitsdidit]

a dental nurse and dentist both said to me the toothpaste is irrelevant its the brushing thats doing stuff....the toothpaste itself if more 'cosmetic' in the way that its nice and fresh and minty etcetcetc....
apparently brushing with saltwater can weaken enamel

saltwater is sodium chloride, v similar to sodium flouride??

[jesuitsdidit]

saltwater is sodium chloride, v similar to sodium flouride??

of course, if yr teeth fall out, then u cant eat, so then u die, so thats another 500 million off the list, 4.5 bn to go..

[the worm that turned]

Thanks - there is quite a lot I would like to comment on - just need to have more confidence.

Hi PJ Pete - Just go for it with your posting. As long as you are speaking from your heart and not just deliberately having a go at people you will be well received.

If people start giving you grief for no reason there are a lot of us on here that will back you up! :)

[pjpete]

Hi PJ Pete - Just go for it with your posting. As long as you are speaking from your heart and not just deliberately having a go at people you will be well received.

If people start giving you grief for no reason there are a lot of us on here that will back you up! :)

Thanks for that encouragement, and I for one certainly wont be entering into slanging matches, abuse etc. Have been an observer for just over a month and it would appear that there is more than enough of that.
My maxim will be, thoughtfulness and striving for understanding and truth and, respect for another's opinion; even though it may not necessarily concur with mine
Thanks again (sorry if this comment is slightly off the thread)

[beldazar]

Just to reply to you pjpete. When I first joined I was shocked over the arguments but then I decided that most of the people here have strong personalities, they/we arent afraid to speak up for what we believe is right or wrong so I dont necessarily see it as a bad thing, although constant abuse would be better put to rest ;)

[januspolanski]

Has anyone else ever wondered what the Rockefellers/Rothchilds eat, drink brush their teeth with etc. Ill wager its not what we eat, drink, brush our teeth with.

[beldazar]

Perhaps they are immune to it. Leonard horowitz reckons they arent affected by chemtrails when he analysed the Denver Airport mural

[samsonnait]

Nice post Vladmir. Its true and should have been commonly know some 25 years ago.
Have you checked aspartame yet same sick story...

[lightgiver]

So this 'Colgate' tothpaste that i am using contains 'sodium fluoride' as a key ingredient.
Guys, what is the MAIN INGREDIENT used to produce Rat poison?
Its Sodium Flouride.

What the fuck is 1000 PPM of fluoride doing in my toothpaste?

Slowly trying to kill me isint it. :mad:

Im off to the store to get an all natural flouride-free toothpaste, and i urge you readers to do the same.
Incidently, what does your toothpaste say?
Does it have Sodium flouride/flouride in it?

Its all part of the dumbing down process,rebel rebel rebel:D

Avoid all chemical crap,and see the change.

People forget we own the politicians not the other way around stand up to the fascists,like mr icke says if they say monday you say tuesday.

[tyler]

My dog and my cat have perfect white teeth with no cavities and they never use toothpaste!
I've never seen a lion or a giraffe cleaning their teeth either!

Just use a brush and water (unfluorided, of course)

[jesuitsdidit]

My dog and my cat have perfect white teeth with no cavities and they never use toothpaste!
I've never seen a lion or a giraffe cleaning their teeth either!

Just use a brush and water (unfluorided, of course)

yep flouride creates cavities so we can fill your mouth with mercury - good isnt it?

[hank_scorpio]

I chucked my flouride toothpaste a month ago and my teeth are getting whiter! i cant seem to find any non-flouridated toothpaste so i stopped using it completely. my teeth are getting better i can say that for sure.

[shellygurrrl]

I use Toms of Maine Toothpaste (http://www.tomsofmaine.com/products/product-detail.aspx?id=34&name=Antiplaque%20Propolis%20&%20Myrrh%20Toothpaste&s3=MzQ=). Fluoride Free ;)

I suggest the cinnamon flavor :p

*They do have Fluoride Toothpaste brands, so be watchful, but they also have non-fluoride brands as well.

Same here!!! :cool:

It's good stuff!

[impermanence]

Has anyone else ever wondered what the Rockefellers/Rothchilds eat

http://i41.tinypic.com/15oc9l5.jpg

[uloodara]

Same here....and I feel my teeth are MUCH better!

Also does anyone here use Bicarbonate of Soda? or Salt to clean teeth? :confused:
My mum suggested salt and the internet suggested Bicarbonate of Soda??

Pce

[beldazar]

I chucked my flouride toothpaste a month ago and my teeth are getting whiter! i cant seem to find any non-flouridated toothpaste so i stopped using it completely. my teeth are getting better i can say that for sure.

wow, you just reminded me,
that happened to me! My teeth were yellowing and I put it down to getting older or smoking........

then I stopped using flouride and they whitened up! I mentioned it to my dentist but he didnt say much.......:cool:

[jesuitsdidit]

wow, you just reminded me,
that happened to me! My teeth were yellowing and I put it down to getting older or smoking........

then I stopped using flouride and they whitened up! I mentioned it to my dentist but he didnt say much.......:cool:

wouldnt wld he?

[beldazar]

No and its such a shame, I always liked him :(

[ex sheep]

No and its such a shame, I always liked him :(

Now beldazar, why would you have an oral fascination with your dentist:)

[beldazar]

oh hardy, har, har, :D

[mistress_medusa]

This was an interesting post, thanks.
Maybe I should stop shouting at my partner when he "forgets" to brush his teeth!! :D

It's not even something I've given much thought to so the information was quite shocking to me. I was thinking '..but I use Colgage. A trusted brand!!' - I'm slowly coming round to the fact that the ones we trust are usually the worst offenders.

I'm definately going to look for a non-fluoride toothpaste in future. Although..it's still going to be in the water I'm using to rinse my mouth..you just can't win.

[realitycheck]

I had non fluoride tooth paste for 4 months as a trial, brushed twice a day etc etc. My teeth started rotting ( i eat healthy btw). SO i went back on to flouride colgate and my teeth are fine now.

I dont drink tap water, but have decided that weighing up teh pros and cons ill use flouride toothpaste.

BTW i used the boots 99p toothpaste.

[ex sheep]

I've heard its the aliens that need the fluoride :eek:

the grays I think, if someone can correct me:)

[diamond dogs]

I just brought some non fluoride Aloe Vera Sensitive toothpaste from Holland and Barrett ..also contains echinacea and Tea Tree oil....
on special offer 100ml £2.49

[beldazar]

I had non fluoride tooth paste for 4 months as a trial, brushed twice a day etc etc. My teeth started rotting ( i eat healthy btw). SO i went back on to flouride colgate and my teeth are fine now.

I dont drink tap water, but have decided that weighing up teh pros and cons ill use flouride toothpaste.

BTW i used the boots 99p toothpaste.

Ive been on Boots Smile toothpaste for about a year and a half, my teeth are just fine! :)


Yes ex-sheep, Ive heard the same but like you, I cant remember, it will bug me for the rest of the night til I do! lol

I will let you know if I do remember and will you let me know if you do? :D

[croatiancoffee]

What has been done about this? If there are enough facts which show this to be true, surely it would stand up in a court of law? (dont laugh)

[ex sheep]

Ive been on Boots Smile toothpaste for about a year and a half, my teeth are just fine! :)


Yes ex-sheep, Ive heard the same but like you, I cant remember, it will bug me for the rest of the night til I do! lol

I will let you know if I do remember and will you let me know if you do? :D

Yes read it somewhere, but where......

Me I don't worry about about fluoride, I got false teeth.

[beldazar]

Am i allowed to laugh? :o :D

[vladmir]

Nice post Vladmir. Its true and should have been commonly know some 25 years ago.
Have you checked aspartame yet same sick story...
Oh yeah, Aspartame is in everything from diet sodas to so-called sugar-free products.
I made a thread about the proof that Aspartame is a powerful neurotoxin right here on this board. Check it out.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47594

[vladmir]

This was an interesting post, thanks.
Maybe I should stop shouting at my partner when he "forgets" to brush his teeth!! :D

It's not even something I've given much thought to so the information was quite shocking to me. I was thinking '..but I use Colgage. A trusted brand!!' - I'm slowly coming round to the fact that the ones we trust are usually the worst offenders.

I'm definately going to look for a non-fluoride toothpaste in future. Although..it's still going to be in the water I'm using to rinse my mouth..you just can't win.
thanks for posting, the more people are aware, the better they can protect themselves!!! :)

Edit:
http://www.1hope.org/fluoride.htm
In concentrations exceeding 1.5 ppm Sodium Fluoride "may cause mottling of tooth enamel."
How much Sodium Fluoride does Colgate toothpaste contain?
1000 ppm. :eek:

[revolutionary_jam]

you can even get fluoride-free toothpaste in Boots now

[and justice for all]

So this 'Colgate' tothpaste that i am using contains 'sodium fluoride' as a key ingredient.
Guys, what is the MAIN INGREDIENT used to produce Rat poison?
Its Sodium Flouride.

What the fuck is 1000 PPM of fluoride doing in my toothpaste?

Slowly trying to kill me isint it. :mad:

Im off to the store to get an all natural flouride-free toothpaste, and i urge you readers to do the same.
Incidently, what does your toothpaste say?
Does it have Sodium flouride/flouride in it?

No offence... but did you just woke up from a cryogenic stasus or something?

Of course the majority here know that most toothpastes contain fluoride (so do mouth washes BTW)

[cafetimes1991]

The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. ( Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin .)


I say this point to lots of people, and they say: "yes, but I'm sure the Nazis used fluoride in much higher quantities". Did they? I doubt it somehow...

[cafetimes1991]

1) 97% of western Europe has chosen fluoride-free water . This includes: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Northern Ireland, Norway, Scotland, Sweden, and Switzerland. (While some European countries add fluoride to salt, the majority do not.) Thus, rather than mandating fluoride treatment for the whole population, western Europe allows individuals the right to choose, or refuse, fluoride.

2) Fluoride is the only chemical added to drinking water for the purpose of medication (to prevent tooth decay). All other treatment chemicals are added to treat the water (to improve the water's quality and safety - which fluoride does not do). This is one of the reasons why most of Europe has rejected fluoridation. For instance:

In Germany, "The argumentation of the Federal Ministry of Health against a general permission of fluoridation of drinking water is the problematic nature of compulsion medication."

In Belgium, it is "the fundamental position of the drinking water sector that it is not its task to deliver medicinal treatment to people. This is the sole responsibility of health services."

In Luxembourg, "In our views, drinking water isn't the suitable way for medicinal treatment and that people needing an addition of fluoride can decide by their own to use the most appropriate way."

3) Contrary to previous belief, fluoride has minimal benefit when swallowed. When water fluoridation began in the 1940s and '50s, dentists believed that fluoride needed to be swallowed in order to be most effective. This belief, however, has now been discredited by an extensive body of modern research (1).

According to the Centers for Disease Control, fluoride's "predominant effect is posteruptive and topical" (2). In other words, any benefits that accrue from the use of fluoride, come from the direct application of fluoride to the outside of teeth (after they have erupted into the mouth) and not from ingestion. There is no need, therefore, to expose all other tissues to fluoride by swallowing it.

4) Fluoridated water is no longer recommended for babies. In November of 2006, the American Dental Association (ADA) advised that parents should avoid giving babies fluoridated water (3). Other dental researchers have made similar recommendations over the past decade (4).

Babies exposed to fluoride are at high risk of developing dental fluorosis - a permanent tooth defect caused by fluoride damaging the cells which form the teeth (5). Other tissues in the body may also be affected by early-life exposures to fluoride. According to a recent review published in the medical journal The Lancet, fluoride may damage the developing brain, causing learning deficits and other problems (6).

5) There are better ways of delivering fluoride than adding it to water. By adding fluoride to everyone's tap water, many infants and other at-risk populations will be put in harm's way. This is not only wrong, it is unnecessary. As western Europe has demonstrated, there are many equally effective and less-intrusive ways of delivering fluoride to people who actually want it. For example:

A) Topical fluoride products such as toothpaste and mouthrinses (which come with explicit instructions not to swallow) are readily available at all grocery stores and pharmacies. Thus, for those individuals who wish to use fluoride, it is very easy to find and very inexpensive to buy.

B) If there is concern that some people in the community cannot afford to purchase fluoride toothpaste (a family-size tube of toothpaste costs as little as $2 to $3), the money saved by not fluoridating the water can be spent subsidizing topical fluoride products (or non-fluoride alternatives) for those families in need.

C) The vast majority of fluoride added to water supplies is wasted, since over 99% of tap water is not actually consumed by a human being. It is used instead to wash cars, water the lawn, wash dishes, flush toilets, etc.

6) Ingestion of fluoride has little benefit, but many risks. Whereas fluoride's benefits come from topical contact with teeth, its risks to health (which involve many more tissues than the teeth) result from being swallowed.

Adverse effects from fluoride ingestion have been associated with doses atttainable by people living in fluoridated areas. For example:

a) Risk to the brain. According to the National Research Council (NRC), fluoride can damage the brain. Animal studies conducted in the 1990s by EPA scientists found dementia-like effects at the same concentration (1 ppm) used to fluoridate water, while human studies have found adverse effects on IQ at levels as low as 0.9 ppm among children with nutrient deficiencies, and 1.8 ppm among children with adequate nutrient intake. (7-10)

b) Risk to the thyroid gland. According to the NRC, fluoride is an “endocrine disrupter.” Most notably, the NRC has warned that doses of fluoride (0.01-0.03 mg/kg/day) achievable by drinking fluoridated water, may reduce the function of the thyroid among individuals with low-iodine intake. Reduction of thyroid activity can lead to loss of mental acuity, depression and weight gain (11)

c) Risk to bones. According to the NRC, fluoride can diminish bone strength and increase the risk for bone fracture. While the NRC was unable to determine what level of fluoride is safe for bones, it noted that the best available information suggests that fracture risk may be increased at levels as low 1.5 ppm, which is only slightly higher than the concentration (0.7-1.2 ppm) added to water for fluoridation. (12)

d) Risk for bone cancer. Animal and human studies – including a recent study from a team of Harvard scientists – have found a connection between fluoride and a serious form of bone cancer (osteosarcoma) in males under the age of 20. The connection between fluoride and osteosarcoma has been described by the National Toxicology Program as "biologically plausible." Up to half of adolescents who develop osteosarcoma die within a few years of diagnosis. (13-16)

e) Risk to kidney patients. People with kidney disease have a heightened susceptibility to fluoride toxicity. The heightened risk stems from an impaired ability to excrete fluoride from the body. As a result, toxic levels of fluoride can accumulate in the bones, intensify the toxicity of aluminum build-up, and cause or exacerbate a painful bone disease known as renal osteodystrophy. (17-19)

7) The industrial chemicals used to fluoridate water may present unique health risks not found with naturally-occurring fluoride complexes . The chemicals - fluorosilicic acid, sodium silicofluoride, and sodium fluoride - used to fluoridate drinking water are industrial waste products from the phosphate fertilizer industry. Of these chemicals, fluorosilicic acid (FSA) is the most widely used. FSA is a corrosive acid which has been linked to higher blood lead levels in children. A recent study from the University of North Carolina found that FSA can - in combination with chlorinated compounds - leach lead from brass joints in water pipes, while a recent study from the University of Maryland suggests that the effect of fluoridation chemicals on blood lead levels may be greatest in houses built prior to 1946. Lead is a neurotoxin that can cause learning disabilities and behavioral problems in children. (20-23)

8) Water fluoridation’s benefits to teeth have been exaggerated. Even proponents of water fluoridation admit that it is not as effective as it was once claimed to be. While proponents still believe in its effectiveness, a growing number of studies strongly question this assessment. (24-46) According to a systematic review published by the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long Term Care, "The magnitude of [fluoridation's] effect is not large in absolute terms, is often not statistically significant and may not be of clinical significance." (36)

a) No difference exists in tooth decay between fluoridated & unfluoridated countries. While water fluoridation is often credited with causing the reduction in tooth decay that has occurred in the US over the past 50 years, the same reductions in tooth decay have occurred in all western countries, most of which have never added fluoride to their water. The vast majority of western Europe has rejected water fluoridation. Yet, according to comprehensive data from the World Health Organization, their tooth decay rates are just as low, and, in fact, often lower than the tooth decay rates in the US. (25, 35, 44)

b) Cavities do not increase when fluoridation stops. In contrast to earlier findings, five studies published since 2000 have reported no increase in tooth decay in communities which have ended fluoridation. (37-41)

c) Fluoridation does not prevent oral health crises in low-income areas. While some allege that fluoridation is especially effective for low-income communities, there is very little evidence to support this claim. According to a recent systematic review from the British government, "The evidence about [fluoridation] reducing inequalities in dental health was of poor quality, contradictory and unreliable." (45) In the United States, severe dental crises are occurring in low-income areas irrespective of whether the community has fluoride added to its water supply. (46) In addition, several studies have confirmed that the incidence of severe tooth decay in children (“baby bottle tooth decay”) is not significantly different in fluoridated vs unfluoridated areas. (27,32,42) Thus, despite some emotionally-based claims to the contrary, water fluoridation does not prevent the oral health problems related to poverty and lack of dental-care access.

9) Fluoridation poses added burden and risk to low-income communities. Rather than being particularly beneficial to low-income communities, fluoridation is particularly burdensome and harmful. For example:

a) Low-income families are least able to avoid fluoridated water. Due to the high costs of buying bottled water or expensive water filters, low-income households will be least able to avoid fluoride once it's added to the water. As a result, low-income families will be least capable of following ADA’s recommendation that infants should not receive fluoridated water. This may explain why African American children have been found to suffer the highest rates of disfiguring dental fluorosis in the US. (47)

b) Low-income families at greater risk of fluoride toxicity. In addition, it is now well established that individuals with inadequate nutrient intake have a significantly increased susceptibility to fluoride’s toxic effects. (48-51) Since nutrient deficiencies are most common in low-income communities, and since diseases known to increase susceptibility to fluoride are most prevalent in low-income areas (e.g. end-stage renal failure), it is likely that low-income communities will be at greatest risk from suffering adverse effects associated with fluoride exposure. According to Dr. Kathleen Thiessen, a member of the National Research Council's review of fluoride toxicity: “I would expect low-income communities to be more vulnerable to at least some of the effects of drinking fluoridated water." (51)

10) Due to other sources, many people are being over-exposed to fluoride . Unlike when water fluoridation first began, Americans are now receiving fluoride from many other sources* besides the water supply. As a result many people are now exceeding the recommended daily intake, putting them at elevated risk of suffering toxic effects. For example, many children ingest more fluoride from toothpaste alone than is considered “optimal” for a full day’s worth of ingestion. According to the Journal of Public Health Dentistry:

"Virtually all authors have noted that some children could ingest more fluoride from [toothpaste] alone than is recommended as a total daily fluoride ingestion." (52)

Because of the increase in fluoride exposure from all sources combined, the rate of dental fluorosis (a visible indicator of over-exposure to fluoride during childhood) has increased significantly over the past 50 years. Whereas dental fluorosis used to impact less than 10% of children in the 1940s, the latest national survey found that it now affects over 30% of children. (47, 53)

* Sources of fluoride include: fluoride dental products, fluoride pesticides, fluorinated pharmaceuticals, processed foods made with fluoridated water, and tea.

[vladmir]

No offence... but did you just woke up from a cryogenic stasus or something?

Of course the majority here know that most toothpastes contain fluoride (so do mouth washes BTW)
none taken,lol.
There are so many layers upon layers to the deception,
i never got around to reading the key ingredients for myself till recently.
Then i did some research, got the facts,
and took immediate action to be flouride-free.

[and justice for all]

none taken,lol.
There are so many layers upon layers to the deception,
i never got around to reading the key ingredients for myself till recently.
Then i did some research, got the facts,
and took immediate action to be flouride-free.

Oh! Coolio then :D

Better late than never I suppose... yeah, you don’t want that nasty stuff in you. You should also be checking if the water supply in your area is fluoridated. Oh and if you inspect the labels of bottled water you’ll find out that many brands contain fluoride, Evian is one of them.

[red_ram]

I suggest the cinnamon flavor :p



Cinnamon flavour can be suggested for just about everything, not just toothpaste. :cool:

[cafetimes1991]

Oh! Coolio then :D

Better late than never I suppose... yeah, you don’t want that nasty stuff in you. You should also be checking if the water supply in your area is fluoridated. Oh and if you inspect the labels of bottled water you’ll find out that many brands contain fluoride, Evian is one of them.

Evian?! Noooooooooo!
Danone sponsor Israel as well, so I'd better give it up. Although during my December exams a teacher told me to maybe stop drinking it because of my larger carbon footprint. During an exam!
I'm still trying to convince myself that aspartame doesn't reduce your intelligence so that I can have Diet Coke again. :rolleyes:

[and justice for all]

Evian?! Noooooooooo! [...]

Yup!


Minerals:

Calcium 2.4 mg
Iron 0.0 mg
Magnesium 0.6 mg
Phosphorus 0.0 mg
Potassium 0.0 mg
Sodium 0.0 mg
Zinc 0.0 mg
Copper 0.0 mg
Manganese 0.0 mg
Selenium ~
Fluoride 3.1 mcg

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/beverages/9239/2

***

...I'm still trying to convince myself that aspartame doesn't reduce your intelligence so that I can have Diet Coke again. :rolleyes:

Please don't! :)

[cafetimes1991]

Thanks for posting this, and justice for all. That is an extremely interesting website.
I wonder, how much fluoride is in green tea?

[and justice for all]

Thanks for posting this, and justice for all. That is an extremely interesting website.
I wonder, how much fluoride is in green tea?

Well... that will depend on if you use fluoridated water to brew it! :cool::D:p
(Sorry I couldn’t resist)

PS: YW

[cafetimes1991]

Well... that will depend on if you use fluoridated water to brew it! :cool::D:p
(Sorry I couldn’t resist)

PS: YW

I thought it was pretty self explanatory that I meant the tea leafs. :D
What does YW meaneth?

[and justice for all]

What does YW meaneth?

LoL! :D

YW = You're welcome :)

Wasn't a sticky around here somewhere about tintenet abbreviations...? :confused:

[and justice for all]

I wonder, how much fluoride is in green tea?

Ok, I found you this:



Tea is very high in fluoride content. Fluoride in tea is much higher than the Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) set for fluoride in drinking water.

Tea leaves accumulate more fluoride (from pollution of soil and air) than any other edible plant (1,2,3). Fluoride content in tea has risen dramatically over the last 20 years, as has tea consumption [...]

Virtually every company selling green tea advertises it's high fluoride content as "beneficial" in preventing cavities, promulgating the misleading and false data supplied for the last 50 years by the ADA/CDA and other dental health trade organizations, as well as various public health agencies. There are NO double-blind studies anywhere proving the efficacy of fluoride as a caries preventative (17). There ARE double-blind studies proving adverse health effects, at the level of 1ppm (1mg/l) in water.(18) There are no studies documenting safety at any intake level [...]

To make matters much worse for human health, fluorides in teas are found together with aluminum. The combination of aluminum and fluorides in tea is of urgent concern, due to the increased damage done by fluorides when in the presence of aluminum, especially neurological and renal damage [...]

READ MORE:
http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html

[cafetimes1991]

Woah. Thanks!
Would organic green tea from China be okay?
Does this mean that coffee is relatively better than tea?

[vladmir]

Et tu,Evian? :eek:

[lovelatious]

great to see this fluoride thread up again, motivated me to write to my council this time; I wonder if anyone can help me with some info that I'm having difficulty finding?

Sometime (april?) last year I read that the government were giving the PCTs £35 billion as an incentive for fluoridating the water...but I can't seem to find where I got that info from. All I read now, is how much it is COSTING the PCTs to add the fluoride to the water supply.

Can anyone oblige before I think that I conclude that I just made it all up?!

[beldazar]

I mentioned the high content of flouride in tea to my mum yesterday, she replied its in coffee too.

Does anyone have any info on coffee?

[and justice for all]

...Does this mean that coffee is relatively better than tea?

I mentioned the high content of flouride in tea to my mum yesterday, she replied its in coffee too.
Does anyone have any info on coffee?

The data on the contents of fluoride in coffee, its quite sketchy, at least on the net. But from the bits and pieces I’m coming across it seems that it depends very much on if it's fluoridated water the plant receives through irrigation, plus the type of soil that sometimes has naturally occurring fluorides. And since we all buy coffee that originates from different parts of the world, the research should be done individually on each case, because the results would logically vary from one brand to another. I also read that decaffeinated coffee is more exposed to contain higher concentrations of fluoride because the process of decaffeination itself uses high volumes of water, and if that water is fluoridated it’ll add up to the final product.

I think is scandalous that nobody is looking deeper into this and that the info out there about it is quite scarce. This fluoride nightmare is affecting all of the food chain, not only toothpastes!

[beldazar]

Thanks and justice for all :)

What you have said about flouride getting into the food chain is something I have been banging on about.

I hear so many people saying, "its fine, use reverse osmosis and non-flouride toothpast and its sorted!!"

No it isnt! Water containing flouride gets into EVERYTHNG! :(

[and justice for all]

Quite true beldazar

It’s rather scary that most food we buy don’t come with a comprehensive analysis chart that includes fluoride among other nasties. It’s a lottery.
Intolerably outrageous.

So we’re left with the recourse that is “minimizing” the intake of fluorides, by filtering the water (for the love of guad don’t use Brita it doesn’t work!) or the more expensive (and effective) method of reverse osmosis. The problem RO is that leaves the water quite sterile, hence devoid of its natural nutrients, so you have to add mineral supplements to that.

On the coffee issue I did find this intriguing product...


Gourmet Organic Coffee with the Antioxidant Punch of Black Tea!

Super Coffee Rx is 100% free of fluoride, pesticides and herbicides. And, only Super Coffee Rx has the added antioxidant power from extracts of Black Tea.

http://www.nutri-fuel.com/img/supercoffee_sm.jpg

LINK;
http://www.nutri-fuel.com/supercoffee.php

[cafetimes1991]

http://www.nutri-fuel.com/img/supercoffee_sm.jpg
Looks good.
I drink organic white tea from China. I wonder how much fluoride is in that.
I also drink Diet Coke though... :O

[michael christopher]

So we’re left with the recourse that is “minimizing” the intake of fluorides, by filtering the water (for the love of guad don’t use Brita it doesn’t work!) or the more expensive (and effective) method of reverse osmosis. The problem RO is that leaves the water quite sterile, hence devoid of its natural nutrients, so you have to add mineral supplements to that.

I think on the Brita water filter they actually say "LEAVES HEALTHY FLUORIDE IN!!!!"

[cafetimes1991]

I think on the Brita water filter they actually say "LEAVES HEALTHY FLUORIDE IN!!!!"

Ouch.

[lakkimakki]

http://mreverythinginc.com/catalog/images/Aquafresh1.jpg

i use aquafresh:D

[beldazar]

http://www.nutri-fuel.com/img/supercoffee_sm.jpg
Looks good.
I drink organic white tea from China. I wonder how much fluoride is in that.
I also drink Diet Coke though... :O


Yes me too! And I got my poor son on it as well, thinking it helped to keep his weight down :o

And my toddler drank sugar free juices......with aspartame. the things we do in ignorance eh? Ah well, at least we know now. Its convincing everyone else to not drinking it I have a problem with, it breaks my heart :(

[michael christopher]

http://mreverythinginc.com/catalog/images/Aquafresh1.jpg

i use aquafresh:D

That's bad for your brain. :p

I use Tom's of Maine without fluoride. Its' the only fluoride-free toothpaste I've ever found. I read somewhere else in this thread that there are just as many bad things in that, however.

I do know that I'm not going to stop brushing my teeth.

Let me also add, it is my own personal belief that we can transmute these poisons they infect us with by mere thought and attitude alone. Awareness is a product of your immune system, you know. ;)

[killmicrosoft]

After Surveying The Growing Evidence, A High-Profile Advocate Has
Second Thoughts About The Safety Of Fluoride

http://www.hidelinks.com/?fwg21ngunh (http://www.hidelinks.com/?fwg21ngunh)

By Michael Downey
April 25, 1999

Two years ago, parents in the United States began noticing the word "poison'' on their toothpaste tubes.

The reason: U.S. drug regulators were beginning to doubt the safety of fluoride, particularly to children, and demanded warnings on the labels.

http://www.nofluoride.com/TorontoStar_Quote.jpg

Health Canada has not followed the U.S. lead, although fluoride toothpaste here does carry a mild warning to avoid swallowing it. But attitudes toward fluoride in this country are also beginning to change.

Dr. Hardy Limeback is a leading Canadian fluoride authority who is often cited by health officials in their defense of fluoridated water. He is also a long-standing consultant to the Canadian Dental Association and a professor of dentistry at the University of Toronto.

http://www.hidelinks.com/?fwg21ngunh

[griswald]

...........................
Let me also add, it is my own personal belief that we can transmute these poisons they infect us with by mere thought and attitude alone. Awareness is a product of your immune system, you know. ;)

After reading Masaru Emotos book about water, and trying things for myself, I would tend to agree. Is there a laymans method of checking for fluoride in water.

griswald

[michael christopher]

After reading Masaru Emotos book about water, and trying things for myself, I would tend to agree. Is there a laymans method of checking for fluoride in water.

griswald

If it comes out of your faucet, you probably shouldn't drink it. Even if there is no fluoride in it, there is bound to be plenty of other nasty things. I don't know if there is a way to escape fluoridation short of moving to another country out in the middle of nowhere. Some cities don't fluoridate, some do, but the truth is that they've got fluoride pretty much everywhere at this point. I would suggest you take iodine supplements, or even better, just take your daily 100% vitamins. This contains the iodine that blocks fluoride from entering heavily into your bloodstream. If you are getting the proper amount of iodine, you will just piss MOST of the fluoride right out. However, you can't escape fluoride showers or anything like that. Taking a hot shower, your pores will open up and the water you are bathing in surely has fluoride in it. You can't boil fluoride out of water either, so if you are boiling pasta, you now have fluoride pasta! It's inescapable. This is why you need to make sure you are getting the proper nutrients and that your immune system is healthy enough to fight this poison.

I would also suggest you do pranic breathing regularly and meditate on cleansing these poisons from your body.

You still can't do anything about the chemtrails aside from meditation/pranic breathing, though. We are being poisoned from every direction!

[brainstormer]

I just bought some AloeDent Whitening, Fluoride & SLS free. I also bought Sarakan, which is also Fluoride & SLS free.

[and justice for all]

Some of you guys are beyond help... :rolleyes:

.... diet coke cafetimes1991? seriously? :eek: :p

[cafetimes1991]

I use this non-fluoride toothpaste:
http://www.superdrug.com/content/ebiz/superdrug/invt/399899/399899_l.jpg

[vladmir]

I would suggest you take iodine supplements, or even better, just take your daily 100% vitamins. This contains the iodine that blocks fluoride from entering heavily into your bloodstream. If you are getting the proper amount of iodine, you will just piss MOST of the fluoride right out.
Thanks for the info. on iodine.
We use iodized salt at home for cooking.
Im going to pay more attention to taking my daily required intake of vitamins now.

[brainstormer]

I would suggest you take iodine supplements, or even better, just take your daily 100% vitamins.

Bearing in mind, they are now poisoning vitamin tablets with Aspartame, I would take the natural approach; eat real fruit, etc. Don't be fooled into thinking vitamin tablets are good for you!

http://www.befreetech.com/aspartame_in_vitamins.htm

and not just childrens vitamins either, look at the ingredients:
http://www.althealth.co.uk/product/details/redoxon/redoxon_vitamin_c_orange_effervescent/30_tabs/

I could fill pages of links to vitamins that contain the wretched stuff!

Seriously, eat real fruit from a reliable source

[beldazar]

Yes me too! And I got my poor son on it as well, thinking it helped to keep his weight down :o

And my toddler drank sugar free juices......with aspartame. the things we do in ignorance eh? Ah well, at least we know now. Its convincing everyone else to not drinking it I have a problem with, it breaks my heart :(

oops...I meant I USED to til I found out what its all about :o

Not drunk it for a year and a half.

I worry when my young son goes to friends birthday parties, the most common drinks are fruit juices or squash with aspartame in. Ive been checking pubs for it. In my town all the pubs give squash that is sugar free so they now drink J2o which has been said contains flouride :(

[fnulnu]

I just bought some AloeDent Whitening, Fluoride & SLS free. I also bought Sarakan, which is also Fluoride & SLS free.

Snap,I got the same yesterday as it's apparently not advisable to rely upon bicarbonate of soda alone indefinitely.

[thelyran]

So this 'Colgate' tothpaste that i am using contains 'sodium fluoride' as a key ingredient.
Guys, what is the MAIN INGREDIENT used to produce Rat poison?
Its Sodium Flouride.

What the fuck is 1000 PPM of fluoride doing in my toothpaste?

Slowly trying to kill me isint it. :mad:

Im off to the store to get an all natural flouride-free toothpaste, and i urge you readers to do the same.
Incidently, what does your toothpaste say?
Does it have Sodium flouride/flouride in it?

...I did that,went natural...thought no problems now.Then last week,I read the ingredients...there was bloody saccharine in it,ASPARTAME!...geez,they get you one way or another.I went back to mixing bi-carb soda again,whitens
as well.

[jesuitsdidit]

just looked on a tube of Colgate, contains 'monoflourophosphate'
same substance, different compound..?

[vladmir]

just looked on a tube of Colgate, contains 'monoflourophosphate'
same substance, different compound..?
The Gel version of the Colgate toothpaste brand contains the Sodium Monofluorophosphate as i recall.
You will still find it said on the tube "contains 1000ppm of Flouride when packed".
I dont plan on using fluoridated toothpaste ever again.

[brainstormer]

I dont plan on using fluoridated toothpaste ever again.

Likewise, and have spread the word about it too... I would suggest everyone here gets the word out too.

I'm sure people would like to be aware there is an alternative to brushing their teeth with rat poison!

[fikle]

Cheers for posting this thread. I have long been aware of the purported evidence about the dangers of flouride, but had not got round to finding a flouride free toothpaste. Must be that the build up of flouride in my brain left me apathetic :-)

. I have now googled and found a couple of brands that I'll look out for on my next shop.

At least with toothpaste there is a choice. Water flouridation amounts to medication without consent, and is completely indefencible.

peas

[jesuitsdidit]

find out if u r in a flouridated area.
write to yr MP n get them to check with local Water Board
how extensive is flouridation in the UK?

[cafetimes1991]

On an aspartame note, I emailed Coca-Cola asking if aspartame reduces one's IQ. Here is the response I got...

Good Morning Brian,

Thank you for your email.

The safety of all ingredients used in the products of The Coca-Cola Company--including aspartame--has been established, and the use of these ingredients complies with relevant regulations in all countries where our products are sold.

Prior to its approval, aspartame underwent one of the most thorough scientific reviews ever conducted. National and international regulatory bodies consider it one of the most widely tested ingredients in the food supply, and more than 90 nations worldwide have approved aspartame for use. It is used widely in countries such as the U.S., the European Union, and Japan.

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Clinical Research Center has studied whether aspartame consumption leads to any physical and psychological effects different from the effects of sugar. This 1998 project concluded that even large amounts of aspartame -- much more than consumers typically take in during a day -- showed no adverse impact on the health and well being of people in the study.

Kind Regards,
Ann Brennan,
Coca-Cola Carelines.

[runciter]

in science we trust.

[jesuitsdidit]

in science we trust.

is that why you experiment on babies?

[runciter]

is that why you experiment on babies?

it was an ironic statement, i was answering to cafetimes' post.

[vladmir]

On an aspartame note, I emailed Coca-Cola asking if aspartame reduces one's IQ. Here is the response I got...
What a bunch of bullshit in the reply to you cafetimes1991, they sure are sticking to their fabricated story arent they.
Aspartame is safe ??!! I dont fucking believe the response, even though i had expected they would say so, ...still. :mad:

[vladmir]

Likewise, and have spread the word about it too... I would suggest everyone here gets the word out too.

I'm sure people would like to be aware there is an alternative to brushing their teeth with rat poison!
This is great, im spreading the word as well, already have changed the minds of my family and a couple of friends, and this is just the beginning.
I hope my friends, once aware, tell others who tell others.......a nice chain reaction could follow.
Ah, wishful thinking. ;)

Cheers for posting this thread. I have long been aware of the purported evidence about the dangers of flouride, but had not got round to finding a flouride free toothpaste.

Excellent fikle, glad to hear you taking steps to empower yourself!

[brainstormer]

This is great, im spreading the word as well, already have changed the minds of my family and a couple of friends, and this is just the beginning.
I hope my friends, once aware, tell others who tell others.......a nice chain reaction could follow.
Ah, wishful thinking. ;)

Give the sales to the companies that deserve it, and at the same time, boycott Colgate et al. :cool:

[pacoquerak]

why does any company deserve our business? almost invariably they are depleting the world.

lets make our own soap

[brainstormer]

why does any company deserve our business? almost invariably they are depleting the world.

lets make our own soap

Companies that give a product worth having deserve my business. In this case; AloeDent, Tom's, Sarakan, etc. are all out there to give a natural alternative, and serve the people, rather than lining their pockets. Of course we need to support these small companies that are supporting humanity.

Evidently, some people like to think they are so open minded..... so much that their brain falls out!

[celtic isis]

Found a link here completely by accident:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18695947

Fluoride and children's intelligence: a meta-analysis.

Tang QQ, Du J, Ma HH, Jiang SJ, Zhou XJ.

Department of Pathology, Nanjing University School of Medicine, Nanjing Jinling Hospital, Nanjing, Jiangsu 210002, People's Republic of China.

This paper presents a systematic review of the literature concerning fluoride that was carried out to investigate whether fluoride exposure increases the risk of low intelligence quotient (IQ) in China over the past 20 years. MEDLINE, SCI, and CNKI search were organized for all documents published, in English and Chinese, between 1988 and 2008 using the following keywords: fluorosis, fluoride, intelligence, and IQ.

Further search was undertaken in the website www.fluorideresearch.org because this is a professional website concerning research on fluoride. Sixteen case-control studies that assessed the development of low IQ in children who had been exposed to fluoride earlier in their life were included in this review. A qualitative review of the studies found a consistent and strong association between the exposure to fluoride and low IQ.

The meta-analyses of the case-control studies estimated that the odds ratio of IQ in endemic fluoride areas compared with nonfluoride areas or slight fluoride areas. The summarized weighted mean difference is -4.97 (95%confidence interval [CI] = -5.58 to -4.36; p < 0.01) using a fixed-effect model and -5.03 (95%CI = -6.51 to 3.55; p < 0.01) using a random-effect model, which means that children who live in a fluorosis area have five times higher odds of developing low IQ than those who live in a nonfluorosis area or a slight fluorosis area.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17450237?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=3&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed

Arsenic and fluoride exposure in drinking water: children's IQ and growth in Shanyin county, Shanxi province, China.
BACKGROUND: Recently, in a cross-sectional study of 201 children in Araihazar, Bangladesh, exposure to arsenic (As) in drinking water has been shown to lower the scores on tests that measure children's intellectual function before and after adjustment for sociodemographic features. OBJECTIVES: We investigated the effects of As and fluoride exposure on children's intelligence and growth. METHODS: We report the results of a study of 720 children between 8 and 12 years of age in rural villages in Shanyin county, Shanxi province, China...

[thirdwave]

Guys again, check your toothpaste brands.
If its Colgate or Pepsodent or any of these big multinational brands, chances are you are exposing yourself and your kids to toxic poison!
Change your toothpaste immediately to one that is fluoride free.

I have getting this one from waitrose that is aloe vera fluoride free.... but it costs nearly £3 a tube... I was happy to see Boots do one for about 90p a tube now so that's cool...

also people have to be careful as you can see it not listed in the ingredient but then there is a small sign on there saying that it uses it.... so you have to have a good look.

[celtic isis]

I have getting this one from waitrose that is aloe vera fluoride free.... but it costs nearly £3 a tube... I was happy to see Boots do one for about 90p a tube now so that's cool...

also people have to be careful as you can see it not listed in the ingredient but then there is a small sign on there saying that it uses it.... so you have to have a good look.

that's great thirdwave, i can't see to find any without flouride, even an organic natural one had it in it...and they taste horriblethe bio/organic ones.

I'm back to using colgate :eek:

[thirdwave]

that's great thirdwave, i can't see to find any without flouride, even an organic natural one had it in it...and they taste horriblethe bio/organic ones.

I'm back to using colgate :eek:

this ois the one i have been getting

http://www.guardianecostore.co.uk/guardian/product.aspx?topGroup=43&subCat=340&subGroup=3600

but as i say, its quite allot for tooth paste especially if its for a family...

But there are a few about... not sure if you can order them from boots... the best bet is to probably just buy a big box of them as its something you are always going to need anyway...

I this the tooth paste must be a very effective way of getting into your blood stream as the gums are very open...