Why do the Jews hate 'Jesus of Nazareth'?

[thetonic]

From 'The Bible in the hands of its Creator' by Moses Guibbory

"Jesus was feeble and without influence. He was too weak to even punish the Jews who refuse to accept him."

Page 395 - "Jesus never appeared as a fighter. He did not even deliver the little group of Jews that lived in the Land of Israel in his days. For he was cunning, contemptibly so, and perverted and feeble to such an extent that he could not even deliver himself from crucifixion or from any other death, because he was a fraud and a man of deceit. His lust was to be king, his lust to be a god had so greatly overtaken him that he neglected the elementary moral duty, the public, the human duty -which can by no means be trifled with - to bring help, if not to the whole world, if not to the remnant of Jews . . . behold, at least to his own believers. He consciously led them astray."

Page 955 - "Consequently, Jesus is the false prophet. For Jesus was forced to give a purloined sign.. .and this only to those who believed in him, his disciples, and in his own name. For he never said, 'Thus saith Jehovah', as Moses and all the prophets of the Bible did in instances where they spoke in the name of God, Jesus desired to inherit the place of Moses."

Page 1542 - ". . . we have already concluded concerning the origin of Jesus of Nazareth: they clearly show us that he was not of Israel seed, but specifically of the seed of Amalek, of that very seed against whom Jehovah has been waging war from antiquity unto this day."

Quotes from the Jewish Talmud ;

Gittin 57a . Says Jesus is being boiled in "hot excrement".

Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

Sanhedrin 43a Jesus ("Yeshu" the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Modern day Jews mocking Jesus ;

Sarah Silverman and her racist jokes - YouTube


more to follow....

[horus13]

this is an extremely broad and over-generalised statement you're making. plus it has it's own racist connotations so you slamming sarah silverman etc. takes any validity your argument might have had. are you talking about zionist jews or orthodox jews? seriously there are mucch better conspiracy related forums than this one. it's full of very misinformed people. it's like a comic book version of serious conspiracy study.

[croquetplayer12]

i kno he didnt complete any of the prohecies other than a virgin mother which idk if all jews believe but the ones i kno ssay she wasnt one

and i guess it pissed them off because he said he was the son of GOD even though he didnt do anything he was sappost to do

it would piss me off too:D

[thetonic]

this is an extremely broad and over-generalised statement you're making. plus it has it's own racist connotations so you slamming sarah silverman etc. takes any validity your argument might have had. are you talking about zionist jews or orthodox jews? seriously there are mucch better conspiracy related forums than this one. it's full of very misinformed people. it's like a comic book version of serious conspiracy study.

lol.. where did I 'slam' Sarah Siverman ? And where am I being racist? Am I being a racist for pointing out racism? Thats a no win circular argumant your havign with yourself there.

If there are better conspiracy forums then why dont you run along to them instead posting your doublethink rubbish?

I asked an honest question and I want some honest answers ... Would any jewish person be brave enough to tell me why the hate Jesus ?

[dedicate]

I am not a Jew. But here is a quote from a person that does not exist in reality (subjective) but is Jewish:

Irvin Levin: -- We hate Jesus because he prooves that for over 2,000 years the Jewish Religion has been carrying around a lot of excess baggage. After 2,000 years, one does not want to admit defeat and let go.

God gave us a religion to hold way back as far as Noah even, and He told us that one day he would send his Chosen One to proclaim the Truth of this religion and bring it to the entire world. All he wanted from us was to keep it so there would be a nice fire built when his Son shows up to claime it.

Jesus prooves that we were not ready to receive. After we killed the Son of God for not being like what we thought he should be like -- God destroyed Jerusalem and we became wonders without a nation for 100's and 100's of years. But we held onto the old way which was old and tired and useless for the most part. All because of Jesus.

Our ways were so backward that we became easy targets for people with any sort of grudge. They also didn't like some of the good things we did, like build good business and make nice families. But because we would not associate with people other than Jews, we were sought after with Progams and eventually a Halaucaust. Easy targets.

All that because we missed it. So that is why we hate Jesus.

[emerald]

Its deceit against deceit, Judaism against Xtianity, brainwash against brainwash. Jews understood long time ago the "importance" of Xtianity and took advantage of it in every way possible, serving their low dimension masters, the creators of (probably) all religions.

[thirdwave]

Jews are the people that used to believe all the bullshit years and years ago, and when people started to smell a Rat then the Jesus Christ panto was created and lots of people started to believe that bullshit, ... today we live in a day where people smell the second Rat ...and we have all these religious groups who to this very day seem to be a little stuck in the mud and unable to ...errrrr Wake the fuck up, due to their lack of self responsibility and trust.. ..oh and Islam was thrown in there just in case Christianity worked...

I think Jesus Christ is a pleb, and what ever genuine person or persons that inspired such a character would be holding their head in despair at what has come about from it...

[octopusrex]

Jews hate Jesus?

Wasnt he a Jew?

[dedicate]

Hey doc oc... I thought the same thing, but there seems to be some sort of assertive battle going on within these two religions. Each wanting to assert their independence from the other. I've noticed it on this board, and it is probably going to become more of a talking point in Mainstream Judeism and Christianity in the future.

Wasn't it Haggei last year who said, "Jesus was not the Messiah"? Maybe this devorce from Judeism by Christianity is some new tacktic of division the Lords of Illusion are foisting upon the people from their control center.

A lot of Jews today are looking into Christianity as a more valid religion to suite thier contemporary lifestyles. Getting the idea across that they will have to break totally with Judaism is something that will prevent many from making the moves.

[thirdwave]

Jesus was a Jew... the only reason he was ever divided is because in his story it shows him to oppose the Jewish governmental laws of the times which he felt did not for fill the scriptures or the true word of god...

[drakul]

Jesus was a Jew... the only reason he was ever divided is because in his story it shows him to oppose the Jewish governmental laws of the times which he felt did not for fill the scriptures or the true word of god...


Jesus did not exist but don't forget for one minute that Jesus was a Jew! :rolleyes:

Typical Jewish rant.

[thirdwave]

Jesus did not exist but don't forget for one minute that Jesus was a Jew! :rolleyes:

Typical Jewish rant.

My word you will try anything....:rolleyes: If I am to talk about Jesus than I must refer to the story... regardless of if I believe it or not... How can I have a judgement if I do not know about the story? Regardless of him being real or not his story is of relevance to Religion.

and of course my point was correct.

[eternal_spirit]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hefIti-uFUo&feature=related
More proof
2 and half mins long vid

[thetonic]

[QUOTE]My word you will try anything....:rolleyes: If I am to talk about Jesus than I must refer to the story... regardless of if I believe it or not... How can I have a judgement if I do not know about the story?

I dont think you have ever read the story and arent capable of making 'judgement'


and of course my point was correct

of course you dont have a point other than posting uneducated tripe non stop


lol... much of the anti- jesus, jewish rantings ive looked at denoucne jesus as not of their seed / race / family


Jews are the people that used to believe all the bullshit years and years ago, and when people started to smell a Rat then the Jesus Christ panto was created

Jesus was a Jew..

Jesus did not exist but don't forget for one minute that Jesus was a Jew!

Typical Jewish rant.

glad somebody can see through this idiots doublethink

[fist fury]

they also hate Asherah who was native to their land.

[oiram]

Why do the Jews hate 'Jesus

Why do they hate freedom
why do they hate honesty
why do they hate individuality
why do they hate all others
why do they hate there own
why do they hate living humans & hide behind the dead
why do they hate humanity in general & murder for fun greed & profit

Why do they hate them selfs; for whom they are? "Yes they do for a long time already!"

Just ask them & I know they will never tell you the truth because these individuals appear to hate the truth!

So was Jesus really a Jew; or did the Jews lie about it too? Or was Jesus a terrorist in there eyes hating him for speaking the truth.

Are we not all terrorists in the eyes of these specific Jews and paid off puppets; if we search ask questions & speak the truth?

They don't hate Jesus; Truth is what they hiding from; thats what they hate; all which speaks & represents the truth which could uncover there thousands of years old dirty rotten lies!

Once a liar always a liar! Simple really; lies always create more lies!

Also these individuals have many puppets working in there names; distributing & implementing there hate toward the truth
"In my eyes they are all the same & of the same sort selling there souls to the money changers!"

Unless they oppose it, they will be blamed for it. If they defend it, they are part of it.

Do I hate the Jews "NO never" but I love the Truth!

[jesuitsdidit]

Why do the Jews hate 'Jesus of Nazareth'?

real Jews dont, only 'pretend' Jews do..

[oiram]

real Jews dont, only 'pretend' Jews do..

The comment is a classic!

Now we just added one more group to the list "the pretending Jew":D

[eternal_spirit]

:D

I got another Jesuit Jews who aren't really Jews.

and

German Jews who Jews label just German. And so do many people reading such issues. Most never realise there's a world of difference between a German none Jew and a German Jew.

Good example of a German ashkenazi Jew - Oppenheimer the one who helped build the atom bomb.

[drakul]

:D

I got another Jesuit Jews who aren't really Jews.

and

German Jews who Jews label just German. And so do many people reading such issues. Most never realise there's a world of difference between a German none Jew and a German Jew.

Good exmample of a German ashkenazi Jew - Oppenheimer the one who helped build the atom bomb.


Yes - `I Am the Destroyer of Worlds' Oppenheimer

[jesuitsdidit]

Now we just added one more group to the list "the pretending Jew":D

no, all are 'pretending' Jews except the True Torah-believing Jews.

[octopusrex]

Hey doc oc... I thought the same thing, but there seems to be some sort of assertive battle going on within these two religions. Each wanting to assert their independence from the other. I've noticed it on this board, and it is probably going to become more of a talking point in Mainstream Judeism and Christianity in the future.

Wasn't it Haggei last year who said, "Jesus was not the Messiah"? Maybe this devorce from Judeism by Christianity is some new tacktic of division the Lords of Illusion are foisting upon the people from their control center.

A lot of Jews today are looking into Christianity as a more valid religion to suite thier contemporary lifestyles. Getting the idea across that they will have to break totally with Judaism is something that will prevent many from making the moves.

Roll d20. Too many battles going on. Maybe we should all start playing dice.

[thirdwave]

I dont think you have ever read the story and arent capable of making 'judgement'

Of course you think I have read the story... and I am perfectly capible of making judgement despite your ignorance.



of course you dont have a point other than posting uneducated tripe non stop

ahhh that is not true... I post Extremity educational posts... I think you just prefer ignorance.


lol... much of the anti- jesus, jewish rantings ive looked at denoucne jesus as not of their seed / race / family
LOL after all that puke you come out with this ?

LOL, not only ignorant but also a hypocrite..

First of all you are talking shite, because there is a big split on what Jews think of Jesus and many think he was a Jew who was taken out by the Romans..

but with regards to what you have probebly heard and are talking about, In case you have not noticed... Jesus created a new religion called Christianity?... ok, you still with me?

So of course when the bible was preached then Jews that did not worship Jesus as the "new and true messiah"... then they would not have seen him as Jewish would they???

Hope your still following...

But in the bible scriptures... it very clearly shows Jesus as a Jew... which was what I was talking about.... :rolleyes:



glad somebody can see through this idiots doublethink
Just because Im not plugged into the same brain cell as you, it does not mean Im an idiot.... lol

[stfd]

From 'The Bible in the hands of its Creator' by Moses Guibbory









Quotes from the Jewish Talmud ;






Modern day Jews mocking Jesus ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3RYrQSir7k&feature=related


more to follow....

'Jews' dont hate Jesus ... is the Zionists who do however ... again not all Zionists are jews and not all jews are Zionists -therefore- your question has no basis in reality.

[drakul]

It is a valid question. You could also ask - why do the MASONS hate Jesus? Why do the REPTILIANS hate Jesus? Why do the SATANISTS hate Jesus?

If you do the research you will find that some of the most influential books which deny the existence of Jesus were written by high level MASONS.


Despite what some people think - the Muslims don't hate Jesus - he is one of their prophets. The Buddhists and Hindus don't hate Jesus.

[octopusrex]

It is a valid question. You could also ask - why do the MASONS hate Jesus? Why do the REPTILIANS hate Jesus? Why do the SATANISTS hate Jesus?

If you do the research you will find that some of the most influential books which deny the existence of Jesus were written by high level MASONS.


Despite what some people think - the Muslims don't hate Jesus - he is one of their prophets. The Buddhists and Hindus don't hate Jesus.

Becuase Jesus represents the Right Hand, of service and sacrifice to others. And Satan represents the Left Hand of sacrifice for self. As for Masons, I can't speak for them. As for Reppies... Who said that the Naga hate Jesus?

[drakul]

Becuase Jesus represents the Right Hand, of service and sacrifice to others. And Satan represents the Left Hand of sacrifice for self. As for Masons, I can't speak for them. As for Reppies... Who said that the Naga hate Jesus?


Are the Naga `Reptilians'? I'm not sure.

I've done alot of research on the serpent origins of mankind. You would be amazed at the number of famous ancient cultures who claim origin from the serpent people.

For example the Greeks claim that Erechthonius, the founder of Athens was sired by a serpent. For this reason Athena is shown with a giant python by her side. The Royal Scyths (south Russians) claim to be from a line of Hercules and a giant female serpent (!?) that's from Herodotus. The Greek god Zeus is represented by a serpent. Alexander the Great was said to have been sired by Zeus - after King Philip saw her lying with a serpent. and much more.

Is there a real difference betw a python and a tyrannosaurus rex? What do you think?

[eternal_spirit]

drakul
Are the Naga `Reptilians'? I'm not sure is Hindu I think a kind of part human part snake/serpent deity. Lived underground, or in caves? like the Troglodytes. Buddhists believe the inner Earth and species part humanoid live there.

For example the Greeks claim that Erechthonius, the founder of Athens was sired by a serpent.I think it maybe allegory, his father/mother could have been the High Priesthood who's symbol was a serpent.
Also Moses and the Brazen serpent, was the staff with the two intertwined snakes around the staff.
Which may have been adopted from the Babylonians/Egyptians.

The high priesthood would wear a band with a snake around their heads. This was to symbolically protect the mind (third eye) a sort of subliminal message was like the cobra, don't get to close, or I may strike, which was a very real danger to the people of the day, still is.

The snake/serpent Muchalinda would sit under the tree (Hindu/Buddhism) with the Buddha I think whilst he meditated (raised kundalini visualising chakras etc) he gains enlightenment.

Serpent force aka kundalini is symbolic of alchemy, the base metal being the base chakra and the journey through the chakras up to the crown (coloured white/gold) this is symbolic of enlightenment which relates to the Buddha under the tree with Muchalinda (spelling?) the serpent (kundalini aka serpent force)

Christ conciousness, Krishna, a state of mind enlightenment maybe.


The tree maybe the staff of Moses Caduceus(it's all the same allegory) Caduceus (western medical symbol) the snake or snakes are the Kundalini two snakes possibly represent male and female, Shakti resides in the base of the spine (base chakra and the aim is to unite her with the EDIT oops third eye chakra?(the mind) where Shiva resides the male polarity) The crown chakra explosion is the third force the joining of the two Shiva and Shakti.
Connects one to the divine/infinite conciuosness etc.

I think it also relates to escaping reincarnation. Hence Nirvana/heaven. Hope this makes some sense lol.

quote Alan Watt

The Sadducees, again, have this serpent symbol and remember, too, it's really a Latin term. We're reading a Latinized name here, Sadducees, and if you take the S and put it back into a C, you have the Caduceus.

The Sadducees who were the supposed nobility of the supposed Jews and I've no doubt they were the nobility of Babylon that came out there. Their symbol was the serpent and you'll find too in the Jewish traditions of Moses the brazen serpent that he had made to go in front of him with the wings and a serpent on the staff was put into a sacred grove and it was worshiped there basically for a couple of hundred years.

[eternal_spirit]

We know of misuse of Kundalini via black magic sex rituals., which can create vibrational compatibility for entities to possess and use human as hosts.

On the other hand positive use of Kundalini and sex can benefit humans.
I have read (maybe nonsense) that there's danger when activating Kundalini that the methods were invented by evil Priesthoods to open one up to malevolent forces.

Which raises questions why is meditation kundalini a big part of the New Age stuff.

Could even relate to electronic manipulation and puts one on a suitable wavelength to be affected and controlled electronically.
EDIT and how do we know that these methods go back thousands of years (the history texts may have been altered in reprints) or the system of activatiing kundalini may be a recent invention.

[runciter]

EDIT and how do we know that these methods go back thousands of years (the history texts may have been altered in reprints) or the system of activatiing kundalini may be a recent invention.


http://afhra.maxwell.af.mil/heraldry/heraldry_images/figure_4.jpg

[sophia_h]

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Caduceus is symbol of DNA and Tree of Life

or cabala, the Great Ash Tree in the Druidic Grove
cut down by Charlemagnes xian killers of deniers of jesus

it is also the rising of the wisdom from the base chakra
to the crown chakra and above to enlightenment or Nirvana

it is considered a FEMININE energy

snaking up the spine waking up the senses as it goes
opening nerve endings and bringing AWARENESS to
the whole body.

a femiine reading of the words attrbuited to jesus will show
where he says he is this or that he is referring to the energy
raised by meditation, yoga, and practices that raise kundalini


now a few drops of kerosene and a match to this topic
xian/jew false divide

they are one and the same ;)

..


John says that the Jews persecuted Jesus and "sought to slay him."

5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him,
because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only
had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father,
making himself equal with God.



John says that Jesus "would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him."

7:9 When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
7:10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up un
to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
7:11 Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?
7:12 And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him:
for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.
7:13 Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.


confusion just as tptb planned :confused:




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[1977]

EDIT and how do we know that these methods go back thousands of years (the history texts may have been altered in reprints) or the system of activatiing kundalini may be a recent invention.
Good question. You can find many mentions of kundalini on New Age sites, but they usually give pathetically vague information on how it works.

And we can make some connections with early Christians; the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naassenes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perates, and Ophites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for instance all describe some very Kundalini-like beliefs.

[drakul]

Interesting posts concerning serpent worship, the caduceus, kundalini, etc.
It's a fascinating subject. David Icke says in the Biggest Secret that the reptilians ruled the world through a Solar Serpent cult which required extensive blood sacrifice (and still does).

ETERNAL SPIRIT - I've always wondered if cobra on the headdress of the pharoahs was an indication that their minds were controled by the Reptilians.

In 2007 spent a month touring temples of Northern Thailand and Cambodia (Angkor Wat) serpent/cobra symbolism is huge over there. 7 and 5 headed cobras decorate virtually all the Buddhist and Hindu temples, stairways, etc.


SOPHIA H - this quote you used from the Bible sounds as if Jesus was not a Jew:

Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.


what do you think?

[sophia_h]

`

Interesting posts concerning serpent worship, the caduceus, kundalini, etc.

It's a fascinating subject. David Icke says in the Biggest Secret that the reptilians ruled the world through a Solar Serpent cult which required extensive blood sacrifice (and still does).

ETERNAL SPIRIT - I've always wondered if cobra on the headdress of the pharoahs was an indication that their minds were controled by the Reptilians.

In 2007 spent a month touring temples of Northern Thailand and Cambodia (Angkor Wat) serpent/cobra symbolism is huge over there. 7 and 5 headed cobras decorate virtually all the Buddhist and Hindu temples, stairways, etc.


SOPHIA H - this quote you used from the Bible sounds as if Jesus was not a Jew:

Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.


what do you think?


drakul

I am still out on the jesus thing

if there were a man who was an itenerant preacher/healer
why isnt there more real evidence of him ?


also all these savior gods are copies of copies over the millinea
all coming from the original who was ISSA aka THOTH
who predates the flood

so was John the one who the myth is based on?
was he even a jew?
or is the jesus myth based on Apollion of Tyre
who we know was a travelling teacher/healer

and at THAT time what was a jew?
mmmm...

was a man named Imanuel a teacher born of a jewess and
a Roman?

was a jew named jesus a mystic who did travel to other
lands and teach?

there is a grave temple to one in India

who is THAT honoring ?

and if jesus went to live in India after the crucifixion
why didnt his wife and followers know and go with him
instead of to the Priorie of sion in France?

or was THAT another jesus?

and did a PR campaign run by the Piso Family
create a myth to gather in the Gentiles who refused to
accept judiasm?

and is the Piso Family behind the jesuits?
the vatican?

however your question ...

the quote doesnt deny his being a jew
it only states that he was HATED by the jews

and he said so and that the jews wanted to kill him
they wanted to kill him for breaking jewish laws

ergo he was one of them but a dissenter

at least thats what I can glean from it

so was there a jesus? :p

can u get round all that?

I stopped mentally dissecting it until more evidences show up

:confused:

PS

drakul and ES

dont fear the snakes

they are icons of a secret knowing deep within all of us
when we ACTIVATE it and work it up our spinal nerves
we are waking up and seeing clearly
that knowing will save us from tyranny

once that kundalini energy reaches our crown chakra
we can attain enlightenment

so let the snakes in and make friends. :)
.

[sophia_h]

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Kundalini


Kundalini is a psycho-spiritual energy, the energy of the consciousness, which is thought to reside within the sleeping body, and is aroused either through spiritual discipline or spontaneously to bring new states of consciousness, including mystical illumination. Kundalini is Sanskrit for "snake" or "serpent power," so-called because it is believed to lie like a serpent in the root chakra at the base of the spine. In Tantra Yoga kundalini is an aspect of Shakti, the divine female energy and consort of Shiva.(see also Tantrism)

The power of kundalini is said to be enormous. Those having experienced it claim it to be indescribable. The phenomena associated with it varies from bizarre physical sensations and movements, pain, clairaudience, visions, brilliant lights, superlucidity, psychical powers, ecstasy, bliss, and transcendence of self. Kundalini has been described as liquid fire and liquid light.

Indian yoga, with its emphasis on the transmutation of energy to higher consciousness, was the chief contributor to the cultivation of kundalini and the preservation of its knowledge prior to present times. Kundalini was a rarity in the West before the 1970s until more attention became centered upon the consciousness. In 1932, for example, psychiatrist Carl G. Jung and others observed that the kundalini experience was seldom seen in the West.

However, an examination of mystical literature and traditions showed that kundalini, called by various names, seems to have been a universal phenomenon in esoteric teachings for perhaps three thousand years. Kundalini-type descriptions or experiences are found in esoteric teachings of the Egyptians, Tibetans, Chinese, some Native Americans, and the !Kung bushmen of Africa. Kundalini has been interpreted from the Bible as "the solar principle in man," and is referenced in the Koran, the works of Plato and other Greek philosophers, alchemical tracts (the philosopher's stone), and in Hermetic, Kabbalistic, Rosicrucian, and Masonic writings.

There has been an awakening of kundalini knowledge among the Western populations since the 1970s because of two major reasons: more people who are trained in the spiritual disciplines are likely to release the energy, and the increased number of people that are aware of kundalini are more likely to recognize its symptoms or benefits.

Not all kundalini experiences are identical to those classical awakenings experienced in yoga, but may vary in intensity and duration. Typically the yogi meditates to arouse the kundalini and then to raise it through his or her body. (It should be remembered though, not all types of yoga are devoted to the arousal of kundalini.) First, the yogi feels the sensation on heat at the base of the spine, which may be intensely hot or pleasantly warm. The energy then travels up a psychic pathway parallel to the spinal column. The sushumna is the central axis, crisscrossed in a helix by the ida and pingala. As it rises the kundalini activates the chakras in succession. The body becomes cold and corpse-like as the kundalini leaves the lower portions and begins to rise. The yogi is likely to shudder, tremble, or rock violently, feel extreme heat and cold, hear strange but not unpleasant sounds, and see various kinds of lights including an inner light. The length of the kundalini may be fleeting or last several minutes. The objective is to raise the kundalini to the crown chakra, where it unites with the Shiva, or the male polarity, and brings illumination. The yogi then attempts to lower the energy to another chakra, but not below the heart chakra because descent to lower chakras is thought to produce ego inflation, rampant sexual desire, and a host of other ills. By repeatedly raising the kundalini to the crown, the yogi can succeed in having the energy permanently stay there.

It is said that kundalini opens new pathways in the nervous system; the pain associated with this apparently is due to the nervous system's inability to immediately cope with the energy. Yogis assert that the body must be properly attuned for kundalini through yoga, and that a premature or explosive awakening can cause insanity or death.

Other individuals, it has been determined by Western psychologists and psychiatrists, have experienced kundalini awakenings but not the explosive kind. One notable characteristic of these lesser awakenings is that the individual thinks, acts, and feels remarkably different. Symptoms may involve involuntary and spasmodic body movements and postures; pain; abnormal breathing patterns; paralysis; tickling itching; vibrating sensations; hot and cold sensations; inner sounds, such as roaring, whistling, and chirping; insomnia; hypersensitivity to environment; unusual or extremes of emotions; intensified sex drive; distortion of thought processes; detachment; disassociation; sensations of physical expansion; and out-of-body experiences (OBEs). Generally the elimination of such symptoms can be brought about by a heavier diet and temporary cessation of meditation. The phenomena of these lesser kundalini awakenings seem to indicate that the definition may have to be expanded from that of the coiled serpent of yoga. Such experienced awakenings are difficult to definitely define though because scientific research of kundalini energy is still in its embryonic stages, little is known of the energy's nonphysical nature, and many of its symptoms are similar to those associated with mental disturbances and stress.

One of the most dramatic instances of classic kundalini awakening was experienced by Copi Krishna (1903-1984), of India, who meditated for three hours every morning over seventeen years. On Christmas Day, 1937, he had his explosive awakening with kundalini pouring up his spine. By his personal account, he rocked out of his body and was enveloped in a halo of light. His consciousness expanded in every direction, and a vision of luster unfolded before him; he was like a small cork bobbing on a vast ocean of consciousness. This extraordinary experienced occurred once again, and then Krishna was plunged into twelve years of misery, during which he "experienced the indescribable ecstasies of the mystics…and the agonies of the mentally afflicted." Following twelve years his body apparently adapted to the new energy and stabilized, but he was permanently changed. Everything in his vision was bathed in a silvery light. He heard an inner cadence, called the "unstruck melody" in kundalini literature. Eventually he could experience bliss just by turning his attention inward. He became, as he said, "a pool of consciousness always aglow with light." His creativity soared allowing him to write poetry and nonfiction books.

Krishna devotedly spent most of the remainder of his life learning the secrets of kundalini. He considered it "the most jealously guarded secret in history" and "the guardian of human evolution." To him it was the driving force behind genius and inspiration. He also thought within the brain is the blueprint to evolve humankind to a higher consciousness, one that makes use of kundalini. Too, he believed kundalini could improve the health of humankind with its ability to regenerate and restore the body, to lengthen life, and eradicate such conditions as mental retardation.


Krishna made ever effort increase the cultivation of kundalini in the West. Many researchers followed him, but some disagreed with the importance that he gave kundalini. A.G.H.

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/k/kundalini.html
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see also:

http://www.sanatansociety.org/chakras/kundalini_yoga.htm


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[drakul]

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drakul

I am still out on the jesus thing

if there were a man who was an itenerant preacher/healer
why isnt there more real evidence of him ?


also all these savior gods are copies of copies over the millinea
all coming from the original who was ISSA aka THOTH
who predates the flood

so was John the one who the myth is based on?
was he even a jew?
or is the jesus myth based on Apollion of Tyre
who we know was a travelling teacher/healer

and at THAT time what was a jew?
mmmm...

was a man named Imanuel a teacher born of a jewess and
a Roman?

was a jew named jesus a mystic who did travel to other
lands and teach?

there is a grave temple to one in India

who is THAT honoring ?

and if jesus went to live in India after the crucifixion
why didnt his wife and followers know and go with him
instead of to the Priorie of sion in France?

or was THAT another jesus?

and did a PR campaign run by the Piso Family
create a myth to gather in the Gentiles who refused to
accept judiasm?

and is the Piso Family behind the jesuits?
the vatican?

however your question ...

the quote doesnt deny his being a jew
it only states that he was HATED by the jews

and he said so and that the jews wanted to kill him
they wanted to kill him for breaking jewish laws

ergo he was one of them but a dissenter

at least thats what I can glean from it

so was there a jesus? :p

can u get round all that?

I stopped mentally dissecting it until more evidences show up

:confused:

PS

drakul and ES

dont fear the snakes

they are icons of a secret knowing deep within all of us
when we ACTIVATE it and work it up our spinal nerves
we are waking up and seeing clearly
that knowing will save us from tyranny

once that kundalini energy reaches our crown chakra
we can attain enlightenment

so let the snakes in and make friends. :)
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I don't really see the need for all this evidence of Jesus existence. Why does it have to be a court case? Weren't there enough prophets and holy men wandering, meditating and teaching at that time? Weren't there enough crucifixions and grisley executions for preaching against the authorities?

Add to that 2 major factors -

1. Barely anyone could read and write.
2. A crucified person was considered a low criminal and according to Jewish law men who died this way were to be BLOTTED OUT FROM HISTORY AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. Never to be spoken of again.

Spartacus and 6,000 of his men were crucified. With the exception of Spartacus do we know anything about the 6,000?

Somethiing like 85% of ancient writtings have been destroyed. People like Acharya claim this was done completely by Christians who wanted to destroy paganism. I'm sure that may be true to some extent however if you read the ancients, such as Herodotus, Polybius, Xenophon, etc, it is stunning how rapacious destructive and cruel the pagans were. They were constantly constantly attacking each others city states. To capture a city was to pillage raze burn kill and take the remaining who were young enough to work as slaves. Scrolls were delicate things that didn't last long in burning cities.

As for Jesus true identity - we had a great thread on another forum - PRAVDA.RU - a discussion that went on for months, about whether Jesus was a Jew or in fact a GREEK Canaanite. Here's the link:


http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=218253


You might like Pravda, it's very political but also spiritual. I've been posting there about 6 years.

[runciter]

ETERNAL SPIRIT - I've always wondered if cobra on the headdress of the pharoahs was an indication that their minds were controled by the Reptilians.


i think it's a symbol for the third eye/pineal gland.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=703352&postcount=16

[sophia_h]

drakul


Spartacus and 6,000 of his men were crucified. With the exception of Spartacus do we know anything about the 6,000?

we dont know the names of any of THEM either


often I have gotten lost in reading at Pravda forum
some fine intellects there.

I will visit there more often.:)


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[sophia_h]

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i think it's a symbol for the third eye/pineal gland.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=703352&postcount=16


Wadjet (Wadjyt, Wadjit, Uto, Uatchet, Edjo) was the predynastic cobra goddess of Lower Egypt, a goddess originally of a city who grew to become the goddess of Lower Egypt, took the title 'The Eye of Ra', and one of the nebty (the 'two ladies') of the pharaoh. 'She of Papyrus/Freshness' rose from being the local goddess of Per-Wadjet (Buto) ("The House of Wadjet (Papyrus/Freshness)") to become the patron goddess of all of Lower Egypt and 'twin' in the guardianship of Egypt with the vulture goddess Nekhbet. These two were the nebty (the 'two ladies') of the pharaoh and were an example of Egyptian duality - each of the two lands had to have its own patron goddess. Wadjet was the personification of the north.

( Isnt this also Isis and Nepthys, sisters, winged goddesses that protect Royal Sarcophagi, one of day and one of night? reads as tho same. S )


Often shown as a rearing cobra, she was a protector of the pharaoh, ready to strike and kill his enemies. She was also depicted as a woman-headed cobra, a winged cobra, a lion-headed woman, or a woman wearing the red crown of Lower Egypt. She was often shown together with Nekhbet who was in an identical form - as a snake or woman - or paired together with Wadjet as a snake and Nekhbet as a vulture.

The goddess Wadjet comes to you in the form of the living Uraeus to anoint your head with her flames. She rises up on the left side of your head and she shines from the right side of your temples without speech; she rises up on your head during each and every hour of the day, even as she does for her father Ra, and through her the terror which you inspire in the spirits is increased ... she will never leave you, are of you strikes into the souls which are made perfect.

-- The Book of the Dead

She became a goddess of heat and fire and this enhanced her role as a protector goddess - with such fierce powers she could use not only poison but flames against the enemies of the pharaoh. Along with her link to this power, she became connected with the 'Eye of Ra', and was thus also connected to the other goddesses who took this title - Bast, Tefnut, Sekhmet, Hathor, Isis, and her 'twin' in duality, Nekhbet. Along with this form, she took the form of a lioness, as did many of the other 'Eye of Ra' goddesses. In this form she wore the solar disk of Ra - linking her to the sun - with the uraeus (the rearing cobra) as her headdress.

In the story of Horus and Set, when Horus is trying to find and rout the followers of Set, Horus pursued them in the form of a burning, winged disk, attended by both Nekhbet and Wadjet as crowned snakes, one on each side of him. This, too, linked her with the pharaoh, as the Egyptians believed that the pharaoh was the living Horus. She not only protected Horus in his fight, but she also protected the pharaoh from childhood until death. As protector, she was known as "The August One, the Mighty One".

Her main sacred animal was the cobra, but by the Late Period she was assigned yet another sacred animal - the ichneumon, a mongoose-like creature known for its ability to kill snakes and crush crocodile eggs. There are examples of a Late Period coffin of an ichneumon with an image of Wadjet seated on top of the coffin:

The ichneumon became a sacred animal of the lion-headed goddess Wadjet as a result of religious developments of the Late Period, when local traditions were frequently linked, and new mythic associations were established. The deities of the Delta cities of Khem (Letopolis) and Per-Wadjet became associated through myth, and the ichneumon - a sacred animal of Horus of Khem - became a sacred animal of the goddess Wadjet of Per-Wadjet.

Unlike other sacred animals ... ichneumons were occasionally placed in statuettes of the lion-headed goddess Wadjet. The most common type depicts the goddess seated on a throne, usually crowned by the uraeus - the rearing fire-spewing cobra at the king's brow, with which Wadjet was identified. The throne, or a base attached to it, which was usually hollow, contained the mummified ichneumon

By dynastic times, Wadjet was more a personification than an actual goddess and so she was often used (with Nekhbet) as a heraldic device around the sun disk or the royal name and were part of the royal insignia. The earliest found representation of the nebty title was in the reign of Anedjib, a pharaoh of the 1st Dynasty. From the 18th Dynasty onwards, she began to be represented as protecting the royal women in the form of one of the twin uraei on the headdresses of the queens.

Isis retreated to the papyrus swamps after she has conceived her child, and she remained hidden in them until her months were fulfilled, when she brought forth Horus, who afterwards became the "avenger of his father"; Set never succeeded in finding her hiding place, because the great goddess had found some means whereby she caused the papyrus and other plants to screen her from his view, and the goddess Wadjet visited her and helped her retreat.

-- The Gods of the Egyptians, E. A. Wallis Budge

Yet Wadjet also had a nurturing side, as did Nekhbet. Wadjet was believed to have helped Isis nurse the young Horus as well as help hide them in the swampy delta area of the Nile - as the goddess of Lower Egypt, she was also a personification of the papyrus-filled delta - and helped to keep the two safe from Set, who wanted to kill Horus and claim the throne for himself.

Another link to her more gentle side was her link with nature - in the Pyramid Texts it said that the papyrus plant emerged from her, and that she was connected to the forces of growth. It was also believed that she created the papyrus swamps herself.

Wadjet was thought to be the wife of Hapi, in his Lower Egyptian aspect. She was also linked to Set in his role of god of Lower Egypt. She was also believed to be the wife of Ptah and mother of Nefertem (in place of Sekhmet or Bast), by the people of Per-Wadjet, probably because of her later form of a lioness. She was the goddess of the eleventh month of the Egyptian calendar, by Greek times known as Epipi.

She was worshiped at the Temple of Wadjet, which was referenced to by the name 'Pe-Dep', in the Pyramid Texts, and was by that time believed to be both very old and famous. It was believed that even at early times, the Egyptians linked Wadjet with Isis and the god Horus, and that both of these deities were also worshiped in the town of Per-Wadjet, which was divided into two parts - Pe and Dep:

... Pe-Dep was a city with two distinct divisions, in one of which Wadjet-Isis was worshiped, and in the other Horus, and that Horus dwelt in Pe, and Wadjet-Isis in Dep.

-- The Gods of the Egyptians, E. A. Wallis Budge

From local goddess of a predynastic town to the goddess of Lower Egypt, Wadjet became one of the symbols of Egypt. From the personal protector of the pharaoh and she who bestowed the red crown to the pharaoh, she also became the symbol of rulership. And from the goddess of papyrus and the Delta to the 'Eye of Ra', she took on the role of protector of the ruler. She was worshiped as a goddess as well as being the personification of the north, the cobra goddess who was one half of a manifestation of the idea of duality that was a basis of ma'at "which the goddess Wadjet worketh". Not only was she a goddess, but she was one part of the land of Egypt itself.

See also Wadjet, The Serpent Goddess

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/wadjeta.htm


When I started looking for information on Wadjet, I ran into the fact that she is not a well-known goddess, and while I could find some information on her, much of it was a repetitive. Digging deeper, I found some fascinating facts and quite a few contradictions.

Some of the problem in finding information about Wadjet lies in the fact that, while she is one goddess, she has many names. Wadjet, Edjo, Udjo, and Buto are only a few of the names by which she was known. The spelling of her name seems to depend upon who was presenting the information about her and which area of Egypt the exploration was taking place.

Most popular information about Wadjet lists her primarily as a snake-headed protector of Lower Egypt, the delta region. However, the ancient people of northern area worshiped Wadjet as a vulture Goddess. Wadjet was revered as the goddess of childbirth, and protector of children, and in later years she became the protector of kings. Wadjet’s role was often seen as a forceful defender, while her sister, Nekhebet, was seen as the motherly defender. This contrast provided the counterpoint seen in many of the Egyptian deities. The symbol of justice, time, heaven and hell, Wadjet is one of the oldest Egyptian goddesses.

Often shown as a cobra, or as the head of the cobra, Wadjet can be seen rearing from the forehead of the rulers. Evidence of her protection is most notable upon the funerary mask of Tutankhamen. Occasionally, she has been shown in the guise of her "eye of divine vengeance" role, as a lioness. In later years, the royal crowns were often decorated with two or more depictions of cobras in deference to her role as protector.


While Wadjet was sometimes depicted as the lioness-headed goddess, she was often seen in the image of a mongoose, represented on the funeral urns of ancient Egypt. The mongoose was revered as her sacred animal. Along with the shrew mouse, they were mummified and entombed in statuettes of the goddess. It is believed that the mongoose, and the shrew mouse were representative of the day and night cycle. The mongoose representing daylight, and the nocturnal shrew mouse representing night.

Many Egyptian deities were associated with specific hours, days, and months, and Wadjet was no different. Her time was considered to be the fifth hour of the fifth day of the month, or lunar cycle. Interestingly enough, December 25th, on the Egyptian calendar, was considered to be the "going forth of the Goddess,” while April 21st was her feast day. The many days when Wadjet is honored culminate during her month, Epipi, the harvest or summer month. This corresponds to mid-May through mid-June on the Gregorian calendar.

Legend has it that Wadjet was the daughter of Atum, the first god of the Universe. He created her as his eye. Her purpose was to search the Universe for his lost sons, Tefnut and Shu. Wadjet did find his sons, and Atum was so happy to see them that he cried. It is said that those tears made humans. As a reward, Atum placed Wadjet upon his head in the form of a cobra. There she would be feared and respected by all the gods and men.

In the modern world, Wadjet has once again surfaced as the goddess of an intriguing game that allows the players to explore ancient Egypt. The game is introduced, “Your destination is the Valley of the Kings where you will experience a world of burning desert heat and blinding sandstorms. You will know the intrigue, the secrets, and the dangers that lie in every step through the dark corridors of the ancient tombs, as you search for the stolen treasures of the Pharaoh. But beware, the cobra goddess “Wadjet” has guarded the royal kings and their treasures for over 3000 years. She awaits your intrusion.” This interpretation of the goddess holds true to the images we see of her throughout ancient history.

A fascinating goddess, Wadjet’s many roles and depictions make learning about her a delightful treasure hunt. Sorting through the many names, and images, could take a life time of study to fully understand the role she played in ancient Egyptian religious life.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/wadjet.htm


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[primordialman]

John 19-20 The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.
Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

John 31 -36 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.
Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 7The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.



Need any more be said.

[eternal_spirit]

They've been taught for a very long time to hate Jesus

More from the Talmud about Jesus

3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).
End quote from http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm (Lubavitch website (http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm)) June 20, 2000.
[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Lubavitch"Noah's Covenant Website," as it appeared on their website at http://www.noahide.com (http://www.noahide.com/) on June 20, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].


Let us examine further some of these anti-Christ Talmud passages:
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."


Kallah 51a."The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period).

There seems little doubt that the account of the execution of Jesus on the eve of Passover does refer to the Christian Jesus.
The passage in which Jesus' punishment in hell is described also seems to refer to the Christian Jesus. It is a piece of anti-Christian polemic dating from the post-70 CE period..." --Hyam Maccoby, Judaism on Trial, pp. 26-27.

"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...
The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."


For more Talmud about Jesus and their hatred of Christians

here

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10703

[stfd]

They've been taught for a very long time to hate Jesus

More from the Talmud about Jesus

3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).
End quote from http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm (Lubavitch website (http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm)) June 20, 2000.
[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Lubavitch"Noah's Covenant Website," as it appeared on their website at http://www.noahide.com (http://www.noahide.com/) on June 20, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].


Let us examine further some of these anti-Christ Talmud passages:
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."


Kallah 51a."The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period).

There seems little doubt that the account of the execution of Jesus on the eve of Passover does refer to the Christian Jesus.
The passage in which Jesus' punishment in hell is described also seems to refer to the Christian Jesus. It is a piece of anti-Christian polemic dating from the post-70 CE period..." --Hyam Maccoby, Judaism on Trial, pp. 26-27.

"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...
The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."


For more Talmud about Jesus and their hatred of Christians

here

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10703

:eek:
What are ya talking about man ?!
It is not Jews who hate Jesus, but is Zionists who do.
For Jews , as it is for Christians -to hate- is considered a sin.

As for the 'stick' with the snakes on it --> used today on first aid boxes or/and ambulances , it refers back to the time of Moses when he was guiding the jews out of Egipt towards the 'Promissed Land'.
They (the jew mass) started worshiping idols along the way so God punished them by sending snakes to bite them.
However, later on, Moses was sent by God after a while to get rid of those snakes and, through him(Moses) , heal those who were bit.
Additionally Moses always used a walking stick , with which apparently got rid of those snakes.

Now here it is , read the Bible for once, is all in there written black on white.

[drakul]

John 19-20 The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.
Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

John 31 -36 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.
Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 7The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.



Need any more be said.


Said about what? Your post opens more doors than closes them.

[drakul]

They've been taught for a very long time to hate Jesus

More from the Talmud about Jesus


[B]It is a piece of anti-Christian polemic dating from the post-70 CE period..." --Hyam Maccoby, Judaism on Trial, pp. 26-27.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10703


`a piece of anti-Christian polemic datinng from the post-70 CE period' -

I've always wondered WHEN the Talmud was written? There seem to be varying dates ranging from `post 70 CE' - what does that mean? That could mean anything - all the way to it's being written in 600CE. Have you got a good source for dating the Talmud?

[thetonic]

`a piece of anti-Christian polemic datinng from the post-70 CE period' -

I've always wondered WHEN the Talmud was written? There seem to be varying dates ranging from `post 70 CE' - what does that mean? That could mean anything - all the way to it's being written in 600CE. Have you got a good source for dating the Talmud?

This hatred of truth and love was born long before "jesus of nazareth" walked the earth

[thetonic]

They (the jew mass) started worshiping idols along the way so God punished them by sending snakes to bite them.


lol...

[drakul]

This hatred of truth and love was born long before "jesus of nazareth" walked the earth

Answer the question please - what are your sources for the dating of Talmudic references to Jesus to around/after 70AD? This is important.

[thetonic]

Answer the question please - what are your sources for the dating of Talmudic references to Jesus to around/after 70AD? This is important.

I dont know when the Talmud was written and never claimed to say it was 70ad... There are obvious references to a 'christ like' being in those texts. They could have very well been lifted from other sumerian / babylonian texts from a different and older era meaning it is quite possible there was another christ like being before 'jesus of nazareth' that the texts are in reference to

[eternal_spirit]

It's a tricky question. The Jews brought the babylonian Talmud with them out of Egypt, so parts of it may have already existed. I know the link I posted about the Talmud by Hoffman, that and his book Judaism strange religion or something it was called, well the Jews tried to ban it from Amazon book sales.

Hence it says he keeps copies on his hard drive, as proof (because some of the info is from Jews own words on their own sites) And he knows they'd remove info from sites and then try to deny it existed.
I do my best to use Jews own texts and words as absolute proof. (still get called a Nazi by the hard of thinking) I don't care.

[astrochicken]

This is as good a reason as any

Get thee behind me Satan

Meaning

The reply of Jesus when tempted by the Devil.

Origin

Luke 4:5-8 (King James Version):

4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


Catchy wee song :)
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=_omJlqis-v8

[drakul]

It's a tricky question. The Jews brought the babylonian Talmud with them out of Egypt, so parts of it may have already existed. I know the link I posted about the Talmud by Hoffman, that and his book Judaism strange religion or something it was called, well the Jews tried to ban it from Amazon book sales.

Hence it says he keeps copies on his hard drive, as proof (because some of the info is from Jews own words on their own sites) And he knows they'd remove info from sites and then try to deny it existed.
I do my best to use Jews own texts and words as absolute proof. (still get called a Nazi by the hard of thinking) I don't
care.


To be able to definitively date to 70AD when those Talmudic references to Jesus were made would provide strong evidence as to His existence.

But I have never been able to get a recognized source for that dating. It doesn't really matter WHAT was said about Jesus as WHEN it was said because that is the evidence we need.

Any suggestions?

[stfd]

lol...

What ? is it too simple of a thing for you sir ?
What's funny ?

[danster82]

Jesus was born in Bethlehem so that would make him Palestinian

[marpat]

On the subject of kundalini arousal, many people seem to have the opinion that this is the goal of yoga but in fact it is actually just one method of yoga, that of Laya yoga. There are many systems that do not require such a force to be raised. In some Tibetan Buddhist methods the base chakra is not worked upon to prevent a surge of sexual energy.

Why is the serpent used as a magical symbol of energy. Energy tends to have a wavy sort of movement. It does not move is straight lines generally, similar to the flow of streams and rivers. Natural forces dont tend to move in perfectly straight lines. A serpent also has such a movement.

The pharohs crown may have a serpent but it also has a vulture so to make a statement that it is the symbol represents the control of the pharohs by reptilians is not accurate as we would have to claim the same of vultures. I would say they represent two types of power, material and spiritual, ascending and descending, maybe.

Not all Jews hate Jesus anyway. There are Messianic Jews who believe Jesus was the messiah but they still follow jewish conventions. They are heavily repressed in Israel. I watched a documentary on this and they live in fear much of the time. The fact is that there are also many christians who hate jews, so what?? people often hate those from religions other than their own, especially when they are fundamentalist.

[marpat]

Jesus was born in Bethlehem so that would make him Palestinian


Did palestine exist then?

[1977]

It's a tricky question. The Jews brought the babylonian Talmud with them out of Egypt, so parts of it may have already existed. I know the link I posted about the Talmud by Hoffman, that and his book Judaism strange religion or something it was called, well the Jews tried to ban it from Amazon book sales.

Hence it says he keeps copies on his hard drive, as proof (because some of the info is from Jews own words on their own sites) And he knows they'd remove info from sites and then try to deny it existed.
I do my best to use Jews own texts and words as absolute proof. (still get called a Nazi by the hard of thinking) I don't care.
You're not a Christian; why do you care what they say?

[kasalt]

Did palestine exist then?

The word "Palestine" is derived from the name of the Philistines, who were a were a seafaring people who lived in cities along the coast of Canaan prior to the establishment of ancient Israel.

[drakul]

The word "Palestine" is derived from the name of the Philistines, who were a were a seafaring people who lived in cities along the coast of Canaan prior to the establishment of ancient Israel.
and the Palestinians continued living in there DURING and AFTER the Hebrew Holocaust hit Palestine. Israeli archeologists have determined that the Philistines were in fact GREEK.

[runciter]

and the Palestinians continued living in there DURING and AFTER the Hebrew Holocaust hit Palestine. Israeli archeologists have determined that the Philistines were in fact GREEK.

wow, just like the rothschilds.

[thetonic]

What ? is it too simple of a thing for you sir ?
What's funny ?

lol... I honestly just thought it sounded funny ..

"God was angry at the Jews so he made snakes to chase them around and bite at their ankles for eternity" ...


lol

[thetonic]

any brave jews out there willing to tell the TRUTH? IOr shall I post more damning evidence? It gets worse , trust me!

[bensonz]

From 'The Bible in the hands of its Creator' by Moses Guibbory









Quotes from the Jewish Talmud ;






Modern day Jews mocking Jesus ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3RYrQSir7k&feature=related


more to follow....

Most every other non believer hates the mere mention of his name. Why, the world has adopted his name as mocking blasphemous swear word. I would ask, why is that. If he didnt exist, why all the hatred. The world ie the people of the world who do not belive in buddha dont come close to any thing resembling the hatred for Buddha. In fact the Dalhi Lamba is loved the wolrd over and granted the monicker as spiritual leader by the wolrds media. Perish the thought if the day came wher a Christian was called a spiritual leader. The prince of the power of the air and the spirtual forces in high places that rule over this world system know he is the only name under heaven and earth through which we can be saved. There's your awakening truth right there people. Go on now hate on me, Im used it. But it is the very name of Jesus that you hate not me, this is spiritual proof and light in a dark and lost world that a satanic hatred is operating in your very sole, because you belong to the enemy of the living God. Any thing is else is clutching at straws.

Oh and I wonder why Christmas has become Xmas? Because it is crossing out the very mention of the name Christ even in print.

Yeah right, because its quicker to write Christmas cards. Happy Xyear. and dont try and tell me its illumnaiti global elitists way of controlling the masses. Why, becuase the masses hate the mere mention of his name. Hardly a succesful covert plan is it.

[jesuitsdidit]

Why do the Jews hate 'Jesus of Nazareth'?

real Jews (Torah believing) ones dont
false Jews (Talmud believing) (Zionists) do

as usual its only the warmongers who engage in or stir-up hate..

[1977]

Why do Christians hate Muhammed?

Why do Zoroastrians hate Bahá'u'lláh?

Why do Seventh-Day Adventists hate Anton LeVey?

Why does Krispy Kreme hate America?

Why Does Lil Wayne Hate Rochester?

Who cares?

[drakul]

I care because it is a tragedy to see the avalanche of media attacking Jesus as a `myth' and influencing the young into denying his teachings and encouraging degrading behavior.

[jesuitsdidit]

I care because it is a tragedy to see the avalanche of media attacking Jesus as a `myth' and influencing the young into denying his teachings and encouraging degrading behavior.

bcoz if you attack the pillars of a society - morals and manners, respect for the law(altho i'm not sure it deserves much respect), the family, common sense etc etc you weaken it and that makes it easier to create a large bloc eg EU which is a necessary step towards the One World Government (NWO)..

[1977]

Okay, but I fail to see how this equates with the Jews viewing Jesus as simply another false prophet in the same way that, say, L. Ron Hubbard is viewed by Christianity.

[thetonic]

Most every other non believer hates the mere mention of his name. Why, the world has adopted his name as mocking blasphemous swear word. I would ask, why is that. If he didnt exist, why all the hatred. The world ie the people of the world who do not belive in buddha dont come close to any thing resembling the hatred for Buddha. In fact the Dalhi Lamba is loved the wolrd over and granted the monicker as spiritual leader by the wolrds media. Perish the thought if the day came wher a Christian was called a spiritual leader. The prince of the power of the air and the spirtual forces in high places that rule over this world system know he is the only name under heaven and earth through which we can be saved. There's your awakening truth right there people. Go on now hate on me, Im used it. But it is the very name of Jesus that you hate not me, this is spiritual proof and light in a dark and lost world that a satanic hatred is operating in your very sole, because you belong to the enemy of the living God. Any thing is else is clutching at straws.

Oh and I wonder why Christmas has become Xmas? Because it is crossing out the very mention of the name Christ even in print.

Yeah right, because its quicker to write Christmas cards. Happy Xyear. and dont try and tell me its illumnaiti global elitists way of controlling the masses. Why, becuase the masses hate the mere mention of his name. Hardly a succesful covert plan is it.

Bloody good post!

[thetonic]

Okay, but I fail to see how this equates with the Jews viewing Jesus as simply another false prophet in the same way that, say, L. Ron Hubbard is viewed by Christianity.

First of all, this is much deeper meaning than anything R.L. Hubbard could conjure in a million years...bad analogy


You see, the 'jews' got their hands on some pretty important texts way back when that have allowed them to control the majority of society in manners that you wouldnt even understand if explained to you... Where did they get these texts? How did they get them? Who gave them the texts? You all need to start asking yourselves...

Why do they consider themselves 'gods chosen'? What 'god' chose them? and for what purposes? You all need to be asking yourselves....

Who was 'Jesus' really? Is that really even his name? likely not. Did 'Jesus of Nazareth' invent 'Christianity'? Absolutely NOT! That cross they made him carry and killed him on was not his symbol , it was 'theirs' and it had been around for centuries before 'Jesus of Nazareth' again, questions you need to start asking yourself seriously

[bensonz]

Why do Christians hate Muhammed?

Why do Zoroastrians hate Bahá'u'lláh?

Why do Seventh-Day Adventists hate Anton LeVey?

Why does Krispy Kreme hate America?

Why Does Lil Wayne Hate Rochester?

Who cares?



Christians dont hate mohammed

[bensonz]

Bloody good post!

It's really, really, really nice to get a bit of water in the desert. I appreciate it.

[1977]

Christians dont hate mohammed
Then we should not presume that anyone hates Jesus.

[drakul]

First of all, this is much deeper meaning than anything R.L. Hubbard could conjure in a million years...bad analogy


You see, the 'jews' got their hands on some pretty important texts way back when that have allowed them to control the majority of society in manners that you wouldnt even understand if explained to you... Where did they get these texts? How did they get them? Who gave them the texts? You all need to start asking yourselves...

Why do they consider themselves 'gods chosen'? What 'god' chose them? and for what purposes? You all need to be asking yourselves....

Who was 'Jesus' really? Is that really even his name? likely not. Did 'Jesus of Nazareth' invent 'Christianity'? Absolutely NOT! That cross they made him carry and killed him on was not his symbol , it was 'theirs' and it had been around for centuries before 'Jesus of Nazareth' again, questions you need to start asking yourself seriously

Greeks and Romans had been crucifying people for hundreds of years before Jesus. Romans conquered Spartacus and 6,000 of his men.

The Jewish Masonic agenda is to destroy Christianity along with the family as the two bulwarks of western civilization - to create CHAOS to build their own NWO - which will essentially take mankind back to the morality of pagan BLOOD SACRIFICE and everything that goes along with it.

Order ab Chaos.

[thirdwave]

Christians dont hate mohammed

of course not... all the bad Christians are not real Christians :rolleyes:

[thirdwave]

It's really, really, really nice to get a bit of water in the desert. I appreciate it.

steady on old chap.... lol

[bensonz]

Then we should not presume that anyone hates Jesus.

True. However the overwhelming evidence has removed the presumption.

[jesuitsdidit]

as i said in another thread which i cant find now,
i read there was a dispute after Jesus had died as to the direction of the church
his family had a disagreement with 2 of the disciples, peter being 1 i think.
if i remember correctly, the disciples wanted to make the church all 'big' and official
while his family wanted it to remain personal and spreading by 'good works' rather than by imposing doctrine

this lead me to question, believing as i do, the Catholic Church is a bunch of thieving satanists (at least at the top, and certainly among the Jesuits), whether they might have 'doctored' parts of the bible to alter its meaning

there was an example on here recently where 1 word changed the whole meaning of an important sentence - i think the word was 'only'

the copyright for all bibles now is with rupert murdoch except the King James version.

[dankai]

Ever notice that when the word "Jew" is mentioned everyone who is not a "Jew" begin arguing with each other?

Not one "Jew" here has stood up in this thread to either attack or defend anything said. Only us, arguing and belittling each other.

Quite interesting.

[bensonz]

Ever notice that when the word "Jew" is mentioned everyone who is not a "Jew" begin arguing with each other?

Not one "Jew" here has stood up in this thread to either attack or defend anything said. Only us, arguing and belittling each other.

Quite interesting.

May be they're too busy controlling hollywood and the minds of western civilization.

But serioulsy what they endured in the holocost (which many on these forums seem to think never happened) I doubt if this sort of thing would make them bat an eyelid.

Addition: Not that Im an expert on this topic at all. For all Iknow it may never have happened.

[eternal_spirit]

Ever notice that when the word "Jew" is mentioned everyone who is not a "Jew" begin arguing with each other?

Not one "Jew" here has stood up in this thread to either attack or defend anything said. Only us, arguing and belittling each other.

Quite interesting.

Yes it's because the Jews do a good job at brainwashing many none Jews into defending the Jews.

That's the main reason you're drip fed holocaust and diaspora from cradle to grave. It takes some reading to de-programme from their programming.

Never any mention or education about the fact that most of the leaders of the Bolsheviks and their Gulag Death camps were Jewish.

These places killed tens of millions (1917-58!) and were far worse than anything the Jew may have suffered under the Nazis.

1. Jew Watch - Jewish Occupied Governments - USSR - Jews and Communism link click here (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR.html)

"The Jew Watch Project Is The Internet's Largest Scholarly Collection of Articles on .... IN THE JEWISH USSR GULAG SYSTEM INVENTED & GUARDED BY THE JEWS ..."
www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR.html

2. Zionist Jewish led massive Holocaust in Gulags of the Soviet Union. (http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdul-rahman_klimaszewski/zionist_hypocrisy_with_nazis_and_ussr.htm)

"His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. (From: http://www. jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR-stalins-jews.html) ..."
www.answering-christianity.com/abdul-rahman_klimaszewski/zionist_hypocrisy_with_nazis_and_ussr.htm

[bensonz]

the copyright for all bibles now is with rupert murdoch except the King James version.


Wow? I wonder if it is just a fiancial investmenet (as one of the world best sellers) or if he is planning something is? Thanks for posting that mate.

[bensonz]

as i said in another thread which i cant find now,
i read there was a dispute after Jesus had died as to the direction of the church
his family had a disagreement with 2 of the disciples, peter being 1 i think.
if i remember correctly, the disciples wanted to make the church all 'big' and official
while his family wanted it to remain personal and spreading by 'good works' rather than by imposing doctrine

this lead me to question, believing as i do, the Catholic Church is a bunch of thieving satanists (at least at the top, and certainly among the Jesuits), whether they might have 'doctored' parts of the bible to alter its meaning

there was an example on here recently where 1 word changed the whole meaning of an important sentence - i think the word was 'only'

the copyright for all bibles now is with rupert murdoch except the King James version.

Cool idea

[bensonz]

Originally Posted by jesuitsdidit

there was an example on here recently where 1 word changed the whole meaning of an important sentence - i think the word was 'only'

In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the Word was God

In the beginnig was the word, the word was with God and the word was a god. (Jehovah's Witness version of the bible, one of many distortions in their version)

[eternal_spirit]

Jehovah is Yahweh is Adonai is El Shaddai

[bensonz]

Jehovah is Yahweh is Adonai is El Shaddai

cool, actually correction, love it,

[eternal_spirit]

Yes quite a revelation bensonz.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
The other parts can be found on you tube

[jesuitsdidit]

Wow? I wonder if it is just a fiancial investmenet (as one of the world best sellers) or if he is planning something is? Thanks for posting that mate.

hes a Knight of Malta SMOM deep deep deeply loyal to the Jesuit General

[jesuitsdidit]

Why do the Jews hate 'Jesus of Nazareth'?

not quite sure who u r talking about, but, generally speaking the Jews do not believe Christ was The Messiah
whether they hate him or not i dont know altho i do know anyone connected with the pope does and Zionism was created by the Jesuits

[eternal_spirit]

know altho i do know anyone connected with the pope does and Zionism was created by the Jesuits

Oh quit with your bullshit and disinfo already. How many times have I and Kasalt etc been through this with you before.

The Pope hates Jesus LOL!

[jesuitsdidit]

there was an example on here recently where 1 word changed the whole meaning of an important sentence - i think the word was 'only'

i shd say this wasnt just an exercise, there r 2 bibles one with one word missing and it completely changes the meaning of the sentence (an important one).

[jesuitsdidit]

Ever notice that when the word "Jew" is mentioned everyone who is not a "Jew" begin arguing with each other?

Not one "Jew" here has stood up in this thread to either attack or defend anything said. Only us, arguing and belittling each other.

Quite interesting.

bcoz the true Torah jews who r in a minority always get shat upon by the war-mongers and the war-mongers (Zionists) dont want to answer the charges coz they know they cant.

[jesuitsdidit]

to the Jesuit General

who is a satanist..

[bensonz]

:confused:Yes quite a revelation bensonz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RMzMxGiEH4&feature=related
The other parts can be found on you tube


Where are you coming from,as far as that youtube clip goes? It sounds like satan is the narator. I take it you dont agree with this stuff, I certainly dont.