How Lucifer was Cast o/o Illuminati GM Leo Zagami

[ephilution]

On 11 January Moziah, the spiritual adviser to Illuminati Grand Master and Reformer Leo Zagami, finally shared with me in quite some detail how she managed to rid Leo of the principality demon called Lucifer. For those not in the know, Leo underwent a 6 month magical initiation ritual under the guidance of Jesuit priests in the San Benedetto Monastery in Subiaco, Italy. It was accomplished on 6 June 2006 (666). The contract demanded that Leo was to serve as a human host for Lucifer for a period of two years. According to Leo, Lucifer possession, at least in his case, was necessary, so that he would be able to advance to the next Illuminati degree. Leo got set free of Lucifer one month ahead of the contract termination date. You may think it was only one month, but Leo was literally as happy as a kid when he got rid of ‘Luci’ prematurely.

Article plus audio downloads available here:
http://illuminatichronicles.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/moziah-casts-out-lucifer-1of3-spiritual-preparatory/

[14april2000]

Don`t believe anything this Leo Zagami has to say he is only there to spread misinfomation and disinformation. He still very much part of the Almighty Jesuit order or very close to them. He has the highest security clearance, he can travel anyware in the world "NO ONE" can touch him.

Agents of Deception :

Leo "Stuart" Zagami

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=4858

[1977]

Leo Zagami seems more like the sort of guy who spends his time grifting tourists in an alley somewhere, rather than being a part of any shadowy cabal plotting to take over the world.

[ephilution]

Don`t believe anything this Leo Zagami has to say he is only there to spread misinfomation and disinformation. He still very much part of the Almighty Jesuit order or very close to them. He has the highest security clearance, he can travel anyware in the world "NO ONE" can touch him.

Agents of Deception :

Leo "Stuart" Zagami

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=4858
Vacant.... yawn....

[ephilution]

Leo Zagami seems more like the sort of guy who spends his time grifting tourists in an alley somewhere, rather than being a part of any shadowy cabal plotting to take over the world.
Another Joe Blow.... not only vacant but boring as hell too.

Come on you vacant trolls gimme something I can sink my teeth in.

Leo disinformation? LOL That sure sounds funny to hear on a forum on which it is absolutely no big deal to speak about shape-shifting blood-curdling lizards.

Gimme a break LOL

[thetonic]

Another Joe Blow.... not only vacant but boring as hell too.

Come on you vacant trolls gimme something I can sink my teeth in.

Leo disinformation? LOL That sure sounds funny to hear on a forum on which it is absolutely no big deal to speak about shape-shifting blood-curdling lizards.

Gimme a break LOL

pretty much..

nobody can say anything of substance about this guy because he is simply operating over their heads

he knows what you dont

end

[size_of_light]

Why believe a word he says?

[thetonic]

Why believe a word he says?

why believe a word david icke says? why believe anyone ?

[size_of_light]

why believe a word david icke says? why believe anyone ?

With Icke I'd say that there are observations he makes that you can test out for yourself to see if you think they're true. A lot of the things he's written about I also believe for that reason.

Other things he says I can't prove, so I stay undecided on. If he wrote in his next book that he had coffee with an 8-foot tall lizard, I'd be inclined to trust him and take his word for it based on my previous impressions of him, although I wouldn't believe it, because I can't prove it.

The hard time I have with Leo Zagami is that the background he's claiming is so dark and evil that there's no basis even for trust there. He might not have defected at all and his whole story could be a psy-op.

[thetonic]

The hard time I have with Leo Zagami is that the background he's claiming is so dark and evil that there's no basis even for trust there. He might not have defected at all and his whole story could be a psy-op.


I guess youll just have to leave it at that. You can either believe all , some , or none of what he says... But stop dismissing it out of hand because you think 'he is so evil' ... Use some logic and intelligent debate to try and sort out what it is that doesnt resonate as truth with yourself...

Give it a try, its fun !

[14april2000]

You ask some specific so here it is...


I thought you would set up the skypey and message me... Wasn't sure about what you were up to.

I'm dealing with a rather serious situation right now.

I had my cable yanked out by a cable company employee April 4... right in the locked box.

Here's a technician doing the repairs.

Something is happening, serious and possibly dangerous.

The op being run on me is being coordinated with this Leo Zagami thing that started circa March 4.

I think he is in the states right now... I will listen to the Szymanski interview this afternoon. Zagami called
in and Greg didn't actually want him on the show.

I do not know what Leo is doing, nor do I "trust" him. I assume nothing at this point, but something is
being coordinated and my guess is that the Jebbies want me dealt with.

It's all kind of ridiculous because this spy vs. spy stuff is bullshit. Either we're moral or NOT.

That's the thing about all this masonic skullduggery. It's a game for clowns and losers, but they're playing it
just the same. I just can't fathom the *EXTENT* they are going to in my direction. It is bizarre to say the
least.

I'll chat with you if you get this message.


And for god sake install that skypey. It's FREE... and at this point, they're doing REAL TIME surveillance
on me. There's nothing electronic between us that's going to be private.

Heck, from my understanding, cell phone switching is the ultimate bugging tool now, that makes snooping
easy in public places... So, I live an open book life.

I read Canon Law, the Bible and study morals. I'm working on a rudimentary radio show.

Get in touch.

Trevor

Trevor, AGREED..I'll try my best to get this damn SKYPE hooked up..I wished I knew more about what I'm doing..been doing LOTS of research and lots of posting to groups..I'm catching a lot of flak....DEFINTELY..I DO NOT TRUST ZAGAMI IN THE LEAST...I am SURE he is running an OP and for SURE he's an APPROVED "escapee" to lead the unwary astray and those who have caught on to him--well-they are now TARGETS...just like I did RIGHT FROM THE START when he first posted to APFN more than 2 1/2 years ago--I emailed him with some questions--he replied back and it didn't look right to me..I got into his face within 2 days and called him a fraud from the git go....he immediately got nasty and broke off contact...I told this to Eric Phelps back then and told Eric to be very careful because Zagami is doing his "Jesuit/Masonic" thing and to NEVER trust fully anything that comes out of his mouth...I just had email exchange with Zagami about 3-4 weeks ago--he sent me email out of the blue--don't know how he got my addy...I'll forward this to you...BE CAREFUL Trevor..this is getting REALLY SERIOUS and I am BEING WATCHED REAL CLOSE MYSELF...NSA is monitoring me bigtime from everything I email out...I'm constantly getting VERIFY TO SEND popups with 3/4 of what I send out..this is NOT what Yahoo says the popups are for.."to control SPAM"...it's NSA surveillance of email...besides this,I'm getting a huge volume of Nigerian 419 Scam/British Lottery/phishing attempts/etc crap that IS almost ALL CIA/NSA/MI6 GENERATED..these most often come in within minutes of my emails going out and they come into 2-3 other addys of mine at the SAME time they come into this addy...I watch ALL of this activity very closely for years now and I'm no dummy to not be able to see just what is going on...I've been getting this reported to the ISPs to get the perps' addys deleted and I've also been doing IP traces and many of these come out of the London area and even within blocks of the Vatican several times..one time I had one trace to St Louis University in St Louis Missouri--one of the TOP 5 Jesuit universities in the U.S.--Madrid Spain several times and even Fatima Portugal several times--3 or 4 times coming in from Beijing...GEEE..dya just SUPPOSE the Jesuits are pissed at me ? Tim White
<phantom421366@yahoo.com>

Tom, As I stated from more than 2 YEARS ago..Zagami is a FRAUD..do you for ONE SECOND think that IF Zagami was actually what he said he is--as far as "an exposer of the Vatican/Illuminati/blah,blah,blah"..that he would actually HAVE ANY ASSETS LEFT ?..that he would actually BE ABLE TO TRAVEL ?..that he would actually STILL BE ALIVE ? BULLSHIT ! The word that I am getting from Trevor here in Vancouver--he lives just about 5-6 miles from me--is that he expects Zagami to be here soon--Trevor's troubles with the local Royal Arch Masons started EXACTLY when Zagami was here a few years ago---Co-incidence ? I think NOT !...Vancouver is a MAJOR venue for the Illuminati/Masonic/Vatican crowd and agenda and at this point...I'm still somewhat surprised that I haven't had a "visit" yet--"they" sure as hell KNOW I'M HERE....BTW...Szymanski will have NO contact with me and he sure should..I can tell him MORE about Colorado and where he lives in Nederland (20 miles west of Boulder in the mountains) than ANYONE he could ever run into... Tim White

Dear Tim, As you may know, I have disassociated with Leo Zagami. You were right all along as I suspected. Brother Eric

Eric, I know I'm right in nearly everything I have said about so many things...Zagami being just one of those...I'm not saying this from an egotistical viewpoint but more from a frustrative and exasperative viewpoint...people have to learn at their own pace I guess but I think and act much more quickly than most and this explains to a large degree WHY I am still alive..I have learned the hard way too many times that I NEED to TRUST my first impressions..here's yet another example of my vindication that comes with the passage of time...I'm glad that you have finally been satisfied of Zagami's duplicity and deception.... Tim White


Aubrey and Ron, This is email is VERY important to pass to trusted people you both know..I met Mark Koernke in Denver at the Preparedness Expo back in Dec of 1998..he may remember me because we spoke for at least 1 1/2 hours when he was hanging in the back of the broadcast room set up by Bill Brumbaugh at the Expo...Nancy Koernke knows who I am..if Norm Olson is around still--I heard he's in Alaska now..he might remember my name too--same with John Trochman-he knows who I am....I am very well known by a lot of people around the country for what I've been doing to expose all I can..I'm a marked man because of this...talk to you later and I have much more info about Zagami you need to know...pass this on to Mark.. regards,

Tim White,Viet Nam Vet(USAF)Concerned Citizen,Researcher,Investigator,Whistleblowerfrom the NWO Capitol of the West-DENVERnow a Refugee from BUSHitler's 4th REICHVancouver,British Columbia

[thetonic]

You ask some specific so here it is...

WTF is all that ? Paranoid rantings of A ZIONIST named Eric John Phelps ! I said give me specifics and do a copy / paste of paranoid email conversations???

You people are hopeless

[14april2000]

Here we have Tim White using the pseudonym "Patrick Alexander" to pass on emails from himself. We read his confession to this followed by his desperate attempt to maintain some remaining shred of credibility (no, I can't imagine what credibility he thought he retained either), but there you go by attacking me in response to my exposure of his tactic of using multiple pseudonyms to create internet discussion threads to give the impression to readers that there is some groundswell of opinion manifesting of that he's involved in a piece of some action. There is plenty more where that came from.

Note that this "Trevor"(also referred to as "tkra" by some after his email address) of http://honesty.org/ to whom Tim has correspondence with about Zagami is one of Ognir's confidantes/informants & has sided with Ognir in his attack on Eric Phelps, as revealed by Ognir recently on the net. I was asked privately many months ago by Phil - the admin from Leozagami.com forum ( http://leozagami.com/index.php?option=com_...board&Itemid=57 ) - to add this same spy Trevor to my mailing list, leading me to question why I was asked this.

-TS

RE: IMPORTANT EMAIL THREAD...re : LEO ZAGAMI‏
From: troy space
Sent: 19 September 2008 21:56:31
To: phantom421366@yahoo.com ["TIM WHITE"]; Lenny Bloom (lenny.bloom@gmail.com); Aaron James (resist1000@usa.com); Eric Jon Phelps (eric@vaticanassassins.org); boris@borisgroenemeyer.de; Tom Friess (kc0ebm@msn.com); Ted Gunderson (tedgunderson@email.com); justiceranger@mail.com; Clarence Malcolm (justice.ranger@yahoo.com); douglas a. willinger (dougwill2001@yahoo.com); barry chamish (chamish@netvision.net.il); leoyoung1999@yahoo.com; magipro@organizer.net; truthandlogic@orange.nl; Lenny Bloom (lennybloom@gmail.com)

Brilliant, thanks "Tim" for the confession. We can now compare this with your earlier lies:

You now say "SO WHAT ?...this PROVES I'm HONEST ENOUGH to TELL YOU"

However, earlier today you said:

"you have TWISTED everything in these email threads to suit your agenda "Troy" and THAT is 100 % DISHONEST"

You can't have it both ways "Tim". One of these statements is true & the other is false. The former & the latter in that order.

I'm not surprised that your life has been on the line for years. You probably uncontrollably start reversing down the motorway (freeway to you) in full traffic. There's a word for that: "menace". As I've stated before you're mostly a danger to yourself. Was it actually a library that you were in & not some mental secure unit?

As for me being a "SLANDERER" (your capitals, not mine), well I think that we can see from the above proof that that is certainly self-projection on your part.

Adios, amigos!

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:29:50 -0700
From: phantom421366@yahoo.com ["TIM WHITE"]
Subject: Re: FW: IMPORTANT EMAIL THREAD...re : LEO ZAGAMI
To: lenny.bloom@gmail.com; resist1000@usa.com; eric@vaticanassassins.org; boris@borisgroenemeyer.de; kc0ebm@msn.com; tedgunderson@email.com; justiceranger@mail.com; justice.ranger@yahoo.com; dougwill2001@yahoo.com; chamish@netvision.net.il; leoyoung1999@yahoo.com; magipro@organizer.net; truthandlogic@orange.nl; lennybloom@gmail.com; troy space

SO WHAT ?...this PROVES I'm HONEST ENOUGH to TELL YOU..DUH !....well...I have only 5 NOW because I've had several deleted and one of those disappeared right before my eyes one afternoon last year while online at the library in Vancouver..this was less than 10 minutes after I spent about 5 minutes looking over the website of the WHITE HOUSE and this was the last site I was looking at in a series for the previous 45-50 minutes and these sites were EVERGREEN AIR,RAYTHEON,the CIA,the PENTAGON,the OFFICE of NAVAL INTELLIGENCE,DYNCORP,HALLIBURTON,BOEING...and then after looking at the White House site and in the middle of answering an email to CRAIG OXLEY....POOOOF !..that email addy was GONE..this occured in July of last year and this is NOT the first time this has happened to me(I have saved the proof of this)..when you go looking for the info I do and add it to the personal experience then you POST THAT INFO TO THE INTERNET...people get REAL PISSED because it was never supposed to see the light of day and this includes ALL of those listed in the above...this is ONE reason why I have and USE other ID's....so what NOW ?..because I ALONE am smart enough to connect one helluva LOT OF DOTS from my years of dealing with this crap that I'm "SURE" to be "some kind of agent" so certainly there's no other explanation for you in your FICTION mind..go out and GET SOME REAL person to person experience with the same people I've had experience with but that will NEVER happened in your case...my life has been on the line for MANY years "Troy" and I sure do NOT need a snivelin' SLANDERER like you trying your pathetic best to TRY to make something into what it's NOT...

Tim White





--- On Fri, 9/19/08, troy space wrote:

From: troy space
Subject: FW: IMPORTANT EMAIL THREAD...re : LEO ZAGAMI
To: "Lenny Bloom" <lenny.bloom@gmail.com>, "Aaron James" <resist1000@usa.com>, "Eric Jon Phelps" <eric@vaticanassassins.org>, boris@borisgroenemeyer.de, "Tom Friess" <kc0ebm@msn.com>, "Ted Gunderson" <tedgunderson@email.com>, justiceranger@mail.com, "Clarence Malcolm" <justice.ranger@yahoo.com>, "douglas a. willinger" <dougwill2001@yahoo.com>, "barry chamish" <chamish@netvision.net.il>, leoyoung1999@yahoo.com, magipro@organizer.net, truthandlogic@orange.nl, phantom421366@yahoo.com ["TIM WHITE"], "Lenny Bloom" <lennybloom@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 1:52 PM



Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:22:29 -0700
From: alexndr34@yahoo.com [ONE OF SEVERAL OF TIM WHITE'S INTERNET PSEUDONYMS]
Subject: RE: IMPORTANT EMAIL THREAD...re : LEO ZAGAMI
To: troy space

YO !..TROY !..."Patrick Alexander" is ME...Tim White..I have 12 different ID's..Patrick is my middle name and my home address in Waterbury Connecticut where I was raised was 34 ALEXANDER AVE...now you know..


Tim White,Viet Nam Vet(USAF)




troy space wrote:

Dear Tim & Patrick (who I've not had contact with before).

As Tim knows I have been researching Zagami's info for over a year & was recently contacted by him. Him, Eric Phelps & myself were all on each other's mailing lists. After Szymanski blew him out the other night I got an unexpected & first time call from Zagami who, as I understand it, wanted to talk so he could record it & put it out.


I had added Zagami to my Skype before he had announced that he had taken over the P2 Lodge with backing by Giunchihglia, Giudicelli & others. I didn't react much to his militia plans, as they are meaningless to someone living in England, where the only militias (which presumably exist) are intelligence-controled covert forces to bring in in a declared state of emergency/martial law scenario. As you might know, private gun ownership is rare, unless you are in the country or a criminal, the laws are completely different here.

Anyway, Zagami clearly knew that I had researched more of his info than anyone & for whatever reason would be more useful to record what turned into an interview by me from the off. Zagami only asked me about the sunshine over here, as it was sunny in his part of the US.

What solid info does anyone have on him? If I get another call from Zagami, then it's be useful knowing who I'm talking to. Everything so far is just vague & insubstantial. Why not declare it openly? Safer doing that than telling people later.

Regards -

Troy

Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:57:27 -0700
From: phantom421366@yahoo.com ["TIM WHITE"]
Subject: Fwd: IMPORTANT EMAIL THREAD...re : LEO ZAGAMI
To: eric@vaticanassassins.org
CC: amission@telus.net; boris@borisgroenemeyer.de; xenacarpenter@yahoo.com; cwilcox@telus.net; dwdaniels@chick.com; kc0ebm@msn.com; ndhayes@att.net; brotherjim01@yahoo.com; rb3feathers@aol.com; rivera.nick@gmail.com; enduvusanear@aol.com; sherrytalkradio@yahoo.com; troy space



Patrick Alexander <alexndr34@yahoo.com> [ONE OF SEVERAL OF TIM WHITE'S INTERNET PSEUDONYMS] wrote:

Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:51:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Patrick Alexander <alexndr34@yahoo.com> [ONE OF SEVERAL OF TIM WHITE'S INTERNET PSEUDONYMS]
Subject: Fwd: IMPORTANT EMAIL THREAD...re : LEO ZAGAMI
To: phantom421366@yahoo.com



Patrick Alexander <alexndr34@yahoo.com> [ONE OF SEVERAL OF TIM WHITE'S INTERNET PSEUDONYMS] wrote:

Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:15:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Patrick Alexander <alexndr34@yahoo.com> [ONE OF SEVERAL OF TIM WHITE'S INTERNET PSEUDONYMS]
Subject: IMPORTANT EMAIL THREAD...re : LEO ZAGAMI
To: Aubrey Stevens <warhead94@yahoo.com>,
Ron Gaydosh <tucsongaydosh@yahoo.com>

Aubrey and Ron,

This is email is VERY important to pass to trusted people you both know..I met Mark Koernke in Denver at the Preparedness Expo back in Dec of 1998..he may remember me because we spoke for at least 1 1/2 hours when he was hanging in the back of the broadcast room set up by Bill Brumbaugh at the Expo...Nancy Koernke knows who I am..if Norm Olson is around still--I heard he's in Alaska now..he might remember my name too--same with John Trochman-he knows who I am....I am very well known by a lot of people around the country for what I've been doing to expose all I can..I'm a marked man because of this...talk to you later and I have much more info about Zagami you need to know...pass this on to Mark..

regards,

Tim White,Viet Nam Vet(USAF)
Concerned Citizen,Researcher,Investigator,Whistleblower
from the NWO Capitol of the West-DENVER
now a Refugee from BUSHitler's 4th REICH
Vancouver,British Columbia




Tim White <phantom421366@yahoo.com> wrote:

Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:43:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim White <phantom421366@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: Re: EMAIL THREAD WITH MY FRIEND TREVOR....RE : Leo Zagami
To: alexndr34@yahoo.com [ONE OF SEVERAL OF TIM WHITE'S INTERNET PSEUDONYMS]



Tim White <phantom421366@yahoo.com> wrote:

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:11:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim White <phantom421366@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: EMAIL THREAD WITH MY FRIEND TREVOR....RE : Leo Zagami
To: Eric Phelps <eric@vaticanassassins.org>

Eric,

I know I'm right in nearly everything I have said about so many things...Zagami being just one of those...I'm not saying this from an egotistical viewpoint but more from a frustrative and exasperative viewpoint...people have to learn at their own pace I guess but I think and act much more quickly than most and this explains to a large degree WHY I am still alive..I have learned the hard way too many times that I NEED to TRUST my first impressions..here's yet another example of my vindication that comes with the passage of time...I'm glad that you have finally been satisfied of Zagami's duplicity and deception....

Tim




Eric Phelps <eric@vaticanassassins.org> wrote:

Dear Tim,

As you may know, I have disassociated with Leo Zagami. You were right all along as I suspected.

Brother Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim White
To: Tom FRIESS ; Eric Jon Phelps ; Greg Szymanski ; troy space
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: EMAIL THREAD WITH MY FRIEND TREVOR....RE : Leo Zagami

Tom,

As I stated from more than 2 YEARS ago..Zagami is a FRAUD..do you for ONE SECOND think that IF Zagami was actually what he said he is--as far as "an exposer of the Vatican/Illuminati/blah,blah,blah"..that he would actually HAVE ANY ASSETS LEFT ?..that he would actually BE ABLE TO TRAVEL ?..that he would actually STILL BE ALIVE ? BULLSHIT ! The word that I am getting from Trevor here in Vancouver--he lives just about 5-6 miles from me--is that he expects Zagami to be here soon--Trevor's troubles with the local Royal Arch Masons started EXACTLY when Zagami was here a few years ago---Co-incidence ? I think NOT !...Vancouver is a MAJOR venue for the Illuminati/Masonic/Vatican crowd and agenda and at this point...I'm still somewhat surprised that I haven't had a "visit" yet--"they" sure as hell KNOW I'M HERE....BTW...Szymanski will have NO contact with me and he sure should..I can tell him MORE about Colorado and where he lives in Nederland (20 miles west of Boulder in the mountains) than ANYONE he could ever run into...

Tim


Tom FRIESS <kc0ebm@msn.com> wrote:

Szymanski announced at the beginning of Wednesday's (4-23-08) show that he had broken all ties with Leo Zagami saying that he could no longer associate himself with someone who claims to be the head of the European Illuminati.

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim White
To: troy space ; Tom Friess ; Eric Jon Phelps ; Xena Carpenter ; Trevor Kokotylo
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:29 AM
Subject: EMAIL THREAD WITH MY FRIEND TREVOR....RE : Leo Zagami



Tim White <phantom421366@yahoo.com> wrote:

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:01:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim White <phantom421366@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: HELLO TIM - I'm around -- Re: TREVOR...what happened to you ?..you just disappeared...
To: tkra <tkra@honesty.org>

Trevor,

AGREED..I'll try my best to get this damn SKYPE hooked up..I wished I knew more about what I'm doing..been doing LOTS of research and lots of posting to groups..I'm catching a lot of flak....DEFINTELY..I DO NOT TRUST ZAGAMI IN THE LEAST...I am SURE he is running an OP and for SURE he's an APPROVED "escapee" to lead the unwary astray and those who have caught on to him--well-they are now TARGETS...just like I did RIGHT FROM THE START when he first posted to APFN more than 2 1/2 years ago--I emailed him with some questions--he replied back and it didn't look right to me..I got into his face within 2 days and called him a fraud from the git go....he immediately got nasty and broke off contact...I told this to Eric Phelps back then and told Eric to be very careful because Zagami is doing his "Jesuit/Masonic" thing and to NEVER trust fully anything that comes out of his mouth...I just had email exchange with Zagami about 3-4 weeks ago--he sent me email out of the blue--don't know how he got my addy...I'll forward this to you...BE CAREFUL Trevor..this is getting REALLY SERIOUS and I am BEING WATCHED REAL CLOSE MYSELF...NSA is monitoring me bigtime from everything I email out...I'm constantly getting VERIFY TO SEND popups with 3/4 of what I send out..this is NOT what Yahoo says the popups are for.."to control SPAM"...it's NSA surveillance of email...besides this,I'm getting a huge volume of Nigerian 419 Scam/British Lottery/phishing attempts/etc crap that IS almost ALL CIA/NSA/MI6 GENERATED..these most often come in within minutes of my emails going out and they come into 2-3 other addys of mine at the SAME time they come into this addy...I watch ALL of this activity very closely for years now and I'm no dummy to not be able to see just what is going on...I've been getting this reported to the ISPs to get the perps' addys deleted and I've also been doing IP traces and many of these come out of the London area and even within blocks of the Vatican several times..one time I had one trace to St Louis University in St Louis Missouri--one of the TOP 5 Jesuit universities in the U.S.--Madrid Spain several times and even Fatima Portugal several times--3 or 4 times coming in from Beijing...GEEE..dya just SUPPOSE the Jesuits are pissed at me ?

Tim




tkra <tkra@honesty.org> wrote:


I thought you would set up the skypey and message me... Wasn't sure about what you were up to.

I'm dealing with a rather serious situation right now.

I had my cable yanked out by a cable company employee April 4... right in the locked box.



Here's a technician doing the repairs.

Something is happening, serious and possibly dangerous.

The op being run on me is being coordinated with this Leo Zagami thing that started circa March 4.

I think he is in the states right now... I will listen to the Szymanski interview this afternoon. Zagami called
in and Greg didn't actually want him on the show.

I do not know what Leo is doing, nor do I "trust" him. I assume nothing at this point, but something is
being coordinated and my guess is that the Jebbies want me dealt with.

It's all kind of ridiculous because this spy vs. spy stuff is bullshit. Either we're moral or NOT.

That's the thing about all this masonic skullduggery. It's a game for clowns and losers, but they're playing it
just the same. I just can't fathom the *EXTENT* they are going to in my direction. It is bizarre to say the
least.

I'll chat with you if you get this message.


And for god sake install that skypey. It's FREE... and at this point, they're doing REAL TIME surveillance
on me. There's nothing electronic between us that's going to be private.

Heck, from my understanding, cell phone switching is the ultimate bugging tool now, that makes snooping
easy in public places... So, I live an open book life.

I read Canon Law, the Bible and study morals. I'm working on a rudimentary radio show.

Get in touch.



Trevor




Tim White wrote:

....what happened after we met ?..I thought that I would hear back from you by email or a call to my STILL shut off phone..are you OK ?


Tim

[14april2000]

Leo speaks about his website being held in Silicon Valley, California. He claims its under the U.S Government etc. He makes out the U.S looks over Vets as hard working fighters of old. The U.S Government shits on it's war vets seen as pawns of foreign policy. So why would the U.S Government protect Scott Bruno etc.? I've seen many poor veterans on the street in Boston begging. Graig Oxley

Leo goes on about how he wants everyone to know about Sirus and it's alignments with such and such in Masonic Washington D.C. Basically he wants us to follow the Palmyrium Mystery Schools. Where we go around making out this is truth. In Biblical scriptures it tells us not to partake in this Saturnalian/Luciferian system. Reminds me of that Mafiosi film 'National Treasure.' A film to predictably programme the profane. Graig Oxley

[thetonic]

Here we have Tim White using the pseudonym "Patrick Alexander" to pass on emails from himself. We read his confession to this followed by his desperate attempt to maintain some remaining shred of credibility (no, I can't imagine what credibility he thought he retained either), but there you go by attacking me in response to my exposure of his tactic of using multiple pseudonyms to create internet discussion threads to give the impression to readers that there is some groundswell of opinion manifesting of that he's involved in a piece of some action. There is plenty more where that came from.

Note that this "Trevor"(also referred to as "tkra" by some after his email address) of http://honesty.org/ to whom Tim has correspondence with about Zagami is one of Ognir's confidantes/informants & has sided with Ognir in his attack on Eric Phelps, as revealed by Ognir recently on the net. I was asked privately many months ago by Phil - the admin from Leozagami.com forum ( http://leozagami.com/index.php?option=com_...board&Itemid=57 ) - to add this same spy Trevor to my mailing list, leading me to question why I was asked this.

-TS

Ok , so in your own words , please explain plainly and calmly what yuo think Zagami is up to / working for

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CRAIG OXLEY: Leo speaks about his website being held in Silicon Valley, California. He claims its under the U.S Government etc. He makes out the U.S looks over Vets as hard working fighters of old. The U.S Government shits on it's war vets seen as pawns of foreign policy. So why would the U.S Government protect Scott Bruno etc.? I've seen many poor veterans on the street in Boston begging.


The below email exchange touches on Scott Bruno & other matters to do with that website.

I'm posting it here not to pick at old wounds with Phil (leozagami.com forum admin.), but to state for the record that I had raised my concerns with Phil (who it seems didn't appreciate it at the time!).

For reading in order, then go from bottom email to top.

- TS

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RE: RESPONSE TO PHIL REGARDING ACCUSATIONS AND IMPLICATIONS‏
From: troy space
Sent: 16 August 2008 13:23:07
To: Philip A E Jonkers
Cc: 'leo young' ; 'Moziah'; 'Scott Bruno' ; 'magiske prosesser' ; 'Count Vivian Vivaldi III' ; 'eric jon phelps' ; 'craig oxley; 'barry chamish'

Dearest Phil

In reply to: "


Okay let me give a rundown especially for you and our little audience. Scott was too brash by leveling his accusations to Leo. His attack was indeed shoddy, as pretty much all others on Leo are and have been on the Internet. Attacks on Leo are by and large pathetic jokes senseless ad-hominems etc.. You know it, I know it. I even addressed in the thread that referring to the Kindergarten Cult of Conspiracy Central did not exactly earn him much credibility. Anyway Leo got wind of Scott’s ‘debunking’ attempt and got pissed off with Scott, to say the least. It so happened that I added insult to injury by articulating my frustrations regarding Nice and Leo got pissed off with me too. Not to long after though, Scott made up with Leo and I apologized to Leo as well for misunderstanding a thing or two. Now things are cool between us, end of story. Although Scott seems to be a bit MIA at the moment.

And then on comes Troy; hellbent on insisting that bringing his pretty little stethoscope to a morgue is a useful thing to do (that’s cute metaphore huh?). Newsflash Troy. The case has been closed, Scott stepped out of line and so did I but that’s old news so get over it already. You are flogging a dead horse, as far as I’m concerned.


That is classic psy-op tactics and as can be discerned from reading the LZ.com forum has succeeded only in pointing noses out of joint & creating (understandable) suspicion & confusion. And these reactions are not from the kind of trolls that plagued Conspiracy Central.

Who can blame them, when we know who's orders the site controller is under:

http://www.scottbruno.com/unify.htm


Early in 2003 I was gearing up with my core team at Intrawork to launch into perhaps the largest business deal of my life. I had amade an agreemet with the Directorate of Military Intelligence wanting to assist all in trying to better understand our place on Earth, our mission as a global people, and our essential existence as one people, here is the release of some of the more empowering messages that came to me in 2003.

"Location: Tiger Creek, California. April, 2003.
"I ask the people of this planet to engage and accept what I am about to announce to the world's people. I did not ask for this, these messages from our highness, rather I have been asked to accept this and offer these messages to all.

" etc. etc.

Now, giving Leo the benefit of the doubt that he is not employed by the DMI on the understanding that he has many contacts in many fields, not all of whom he is going to know the true loyalties of & that he chose who he thought was the best man for the job technically, it is clear that his webmaster is a DMI asset and that he has revealed that they have the same tactics as the Jesuits - a military order (the Jesuits religious-military, the DMI ostensibly secular-military) that we know is responsible for untold death & suffering wishing to bring peace & religious unity to the planet. I detect the unmistakable whiff of pure BULLSHIT! And I'm an "agent" "flogging a dead horse"? Whatever!

Regarding laughing: I laugh at whatever I find funny - your email for example - not at whatever is presented to me by someone that I am in deference to - not even to employers who paid me to work & I have worked with some with pretty bizarre senses of humour. That doesn't mean that I haven't been able to socialize or have a laugh with them. Understand?
Anyway, all of this is just mere commentary. I'm interested in what Leo has to say regarding Nice & Rome, etc.

In the pursuit of truth & awareness -
Troy

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From: Philip A E Jonkers
To: troy space
CC: 'leo young' ; 'Moziah'; 'Scott Bruno' ; 'magiske prosesser' ; 'Count Vivian Vivaldi III' ; 'eric jon phelps' ; 'craig oxley; 'barry chamish'
Subject: RE: RESPONSE TO PHIL REGARDING ACCUSATIONS AND IMPLICATIONS
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:51:27 +0200

Phil be in red

Get your popcorn and soda-pop ready folks. J


From: troy space
Sent: zaterdag 16 augustus 2008 3:01
To: Philip A E Jonkers
Cc: 'leo young'; 'Moziah'; 'Scott Bruno'; 'magiske prosesser'; 'Count Vivian Vivaldi III'; eric jon phelps; craig oxley; barry chamish
Subject: RESPONSE TO PHIL REGARDING ACCUSATIONS AND IMPLICATIONS

Phil,

Okay, let's go over the meat & potatoes stuff:

"integrant"

adjective
(of parts) making up or contributing to a whole; constituent.
noun
a component.
ORIGIN mid 17th cent.(as an adjective): from French intégrant, from the verb intégrer, from Latin integrare (see integrate ).


Oh I get it, so you would like to have us believe that I thought that you might be a corrosive constituent… of what? conspiracy country? That’s a real cute train of thought there Troy. Here, I give you an A+.

I have taken the liberty of restoring the correct sequence for the two previous emails to make the following readable for anyone with too much time on their hands (L.O.L.!!) who may actually want to read the exchange.

Right, now as for your enthusing about psyops, it's in the numerous recordings that you've done with Leo. End of story, so don't try to wriggle out of it by claiming I "spun" the words of your forum entry or whatever. It's not my cup of tea, so I don't go laughing along when Leo mentions it. I have questioned his use of this terminology & expressed my feelings about several things that don't exactly give me the feelgood feeling, shall we say. You've done the opposite, fine, that too is your prerogative, but I think that you are not now liking this technique, so why should others? Will you retract your statement as you suggest? I'll leave that up to you.



You pretend to know me when in fact you don’t, that’s unfortunate and I’m sorry to have to learn that you feel this way. I might snicker and have a laugh with Leo initially but that doesn’t mean I ‘enthuse’ over psyops. I’m sorry if you misunderstand me but this is the truth even if it may appear to others differently. It’s quite a quirky jump in deductive reasoning for me even but this might be just personal. That other people misinterpret me is not really my problem in principle. I’m hear to explain my perhaps or apparently complex character if only people (like you for instance) would ask me rather than take off with their own pretty little prejudices about me. Leo likes to have a laugh and I appreciate his humor and I hope he does mine too. It’s part of a friendly relationship, wouldn’t you say? You know, laughing together as friends? Or is the concept of friendship alien to you?

Now this doesn’t mean that when I initially laugh about something I might necessarily agree with it afterwards. Sometimes in fact I don’t, believe it or not. But you have to know that laughing is primarily a way to ventilate tension whether that tension be positively or negatively generated. That’s the reason why one feels relieved after a good laugh, you see. Well, now you know. My particular health condition (for our dear uninformed audience, that condition being Candida Albicans) however brings a lot of negative tension with it and laughing is a way for me to release it but that doesn’t automatically mean that I endorse everything that comes across my plate, y’all understand? If bottled up tension is not released it will eat you up from the inside, it’s that simple really. Laughter is a way for me to get rid of it, as it should for most people who want to be healthy and a bit happy.

Also, it’s not always easy for me to detect whether Leo is sincere, making a (sarcastic) joke, exaggerating, or passing disinformation. For bystanders such as you and also me on hindsight it is a lot easier to spot what is what but when you do it live, it’s not always that easy. If you’re honest I’m sure you can relate to that a bit, no? Furthermore, I want to be able to relax during the conversation because if I would be tense I would sooner or later lose interest in doing interviews as it would take too much energy and takes the fun of talking away, at least for a frail human like me.


Do you seriously think that valid raised points for enquiry is gossiping? I guess if you refuse to ever question someone, but that does no one any favours, least of all yourself.

Phil, I can handle the name-calling as I was pretty hard on you in my response, but you laid out one insulting allegations and implications after another in your group email & still haven't been able to back any of it up. Seriously man, although I prefer to not involve myself in the speculations & soap-opera of the LZ forum (nor does Leo & I can hardly blame him with the poorly-researched attacks made on him by his site creator/controller, who references one of my articles on Leo's family background that is if anything, supportive in the evidence presented lending credence to his claims regarding his family background), I will say that I find the suggestions entirely plausible now that Scott &/or yourself pulled that (presumably) embarrassing thread & that the excuses of technical problems appear weak & unconvincing.


Okay let me give a rundown especially for you and our little audience. Scott was too brash by leveling his accusations to Leo. His attack was indeed shoddy, as pretty much all others on Leo are and have been on the Internet. Attacks on Leo are by and large pathetic jokes senseless ad-hominems etc.. You know it, I know it. I even addressed in the thread that referring to the Kindergarten Cult of Conspiracy Central did not exactly earn him much credibility. Anyway Leo got wind of Scott’s ‘debunking’ attempt and got pissed off with Scott, to say the least. It so happened that I added insult to injury by articulating my frustrations regarding Nice and Leo got pissed off with me too. Not to long after though, Scott made up with Leo and I apologized to Leo as well for misunderstanding a thing or two. Now things are cool between us, end of story. Although Scott seems to be a bit MIA at the moment.

And then on comes Troy; hellbent on insisting that bringing his pretty little stethoscope to a morgue is a useful thing to do (that’s cute metaphore huh?). Newsflash Troy. The case has been closed, Scott stepped out of line and so did I but that’s old news so get over it already. You are flogging a dead horse, as far as I’m concerned.

I have to admit that I liked this bit: "in the exotic case of you being an agent, I reckoned that more people should be aware of this communication exchange." Flattery will get you nowhere - seriously! Okay, I've taken similar steps & posted this to a wider field for similar reasons. Phil, I don't act as unpaid forum coordinator for a forum on a website that has been set up by a U.S. military intelligence bod (or that of any other nation for that matter), regardless of his freelancing or not. This does not make you an agent in itself, but in most people's eyes (even those who are fairly clued up) this would stack the cards your way in the agent stakes. I don't think you are now, but in the future? Who knows?

You are a corrosive integrant agent. I am a giggly agent. Happy now?

As for you thinking that Leo was saying that you were to have his babies, I've got to admit that you did seem confused & I wasn't suggesting that it was possible, but did wonder that if he'd pressed the misinterpreted question whether or not you would have agreed! L.O.L.!! Thanks for the bit where you wrote "this may be a bit of dodgy timed question", that had me laughing out loud & I think that you can see the humour in the situation. I hope that you didn't sit out 122 minutes worth of mp3 just to find the timestamp & of that incident!


No I skipped through jeez LOL. If you would have been accurate and considerate you would have given me the timestamp yourself. Be that as it may, I’m glad you recognize the humour of the situation, I was beginning to wonder if there would be an ounce of humour in you as well as raising doubts about your imaginative acumen. It’s all good now though and if you treat me real nice you may just have my baby in due time.

Wasting time & energy on irrelevant arguments? I don't call it irrelevant standing up for accuracy and personal integrity when you address me in a very short group-posted email with statements such as "you have pulled my words out of context, that’s your responsibility not mine. You call yourself a reality researcher fine, but maybe you should work a bit on becoming an accuracy researcher also (particularly regarding reading). You constantly raise suspicions about the integrity of other people, that’s fine since it is your prerogative, but for all I know you may be an agent too since you seem to know rather well how to act as a corrosive intrigant yourself." That my friend, is not going to get let go. However I'll leave it at that for now and wish you no ill feeling. On the contrary, I wish you self-respect and the ability to maintain a balance of priorities & loyalties between yourself & others that is good for your mind & soul.


Whatever floats your boat agent Troy LOL.


As I ended my previous email:

Regarding the recipients of this email, I prefer dealing with those that I have had some two-way contact with & am not soliciting nor interested in responses from all.

Phil, I am willing to discuss any of the above with you further & would be happy for Leo to tell his side of what went down (& didn't go down) at Nice (& Monte Carlo - if anything with the latter) - like I said, he does seem to have gone under the radar in recent times, but he has my Skype contact & I'd be happy to hear from him & post it on the net.

Thank you -

Go easy on the caffeine sailor...

Troy

Phil – The Giggly Agent

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From: Philip A E Jonkers
To: troy space
CC: 'leo young'; 'Moziah'; 'Scott Bruno'; 'magiske prosesser'; 'Count Vivian Vivaldi III'
Subject: RE: HALVOR, WHY IS THIS MESSAGE COMING UP WHEN I GO TO LINK WITH XIANDOS RECENTLY?
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:37:19 +0200

Phil wrote: “There may have been some unfortunate screw-ups along the line, that's fine but I just need for people to be square with me. Propaganda fine, but not with me please.”

Troy spun this into:

You said that you're happy for Leo to dish out "propaganda", but you don't want to be psy-opped by him.



Notice the differences? If you are still clutching in the dark, here is what I meant: “people need to be honest with me. If there need to be people deceived by propaganda then that’s fine by me (since it is part of warfare), but please let this not be me [as I prefer people being honest with me]. “ I never once stated that I am “happy dishing out Propaganda.” If you think I’m wrong then prove me otherwise and I might retract my previous statement [I apparently am bipolar so I should have no difficulty doing so].

The reason I include a couple of more people in the CC is that since you started talking about Scott and Leo we should at least include them in the conversation [you may prefer gossiping but I don’t] and in the exotic case of you being an agent, I reckoned that more people should be aware of this communication exchange.

Troy said:


In your latest recording with Leo you even thought that when he was talking about getting married & having babies with someone that he was talking about you! It's on mp3 - fact. Leo had to say, "no, not you. bro!" or something similar. Oh dear!


J This is getting embarrassing. J

The recording you are talking about dates from the 27th of June – timestamp 122 minutes and on. Leo said this: “And then you will ask me to marry me [grammar error by Leo, he should have said “her”] again and I will forgive you Fatma, no problem. But listen, this is not a joke you know, realize that I can see things and every single thing I have told her from the start always happen. After ten minutes I met her I told her. You are gonna be my wife and we are gonna have a child together. Do you know that? ”

Then I [Phil] asked “Are you asking me?”. J Well this may be a bit of dodgy timed question I agree, but believe it or not what I had in mind with the question was if Leo was asking me if I knew about Leo’s prior intention of having a child with Fatma already at the time the two met for the first time. If you think otherwise then please explain to me how this would even be physically possible since I am obviously a boy you silly little git…. Or should I say dodgy corrosive intrigant? LOL

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intrigant I have no idea what an “integrant” is other than a mathematical construction but that’s spelled with a “d”, so please do be so kind to explain to my bipolar little self, what exactly is an “integrant”?

My advice to you is, you should presume less, be a little less conceited and use a little more caution in your language and reasoning to prevent you from jumping to conclusions a bit more and consequently save wasting time and energy on irrelevant arguments. Also learn to listen more accurately, you silly boy LOL

Phil

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RE: HALVOR, WHY IS THIS MESSAGE COMING UP WHEN I GO TO LINK WITH XIANDOS RECENTLY?‏
From: troy space
Sent: 15 August 2008 16:03:02
To: Philip A E Jonkers
Cc: 'leo young'; 'Moziah'; 'Scott Bruno'; 'magiske prosesser'; 'Count Vivian Vivaldi III'

Phil

What a shame: You cannot take a bit of philosophical food for thought to chew on regarding your attracting the energy that you put out. What has this got to do with Scott? Do you think that he has proved a good choice for Leo to have build his website & effectively control it?

Does everyone pull your words out of context? Halvor? Myself? Leo?

Regarding your following statements:

"

I thought you liked being direct and confrontational[/QUOTE


I like dealing with people that I like dealing with. Over past months this has included Eric Phelps, Craig Oxley (despite our agreeing to disagree on several matters, including his thoughts on Leo), Barry Chamish, Leo, Halvor & yourself. Regarding Scott, his poorly-"researched" Leo attack - referencing one of my pieces that didn't support his stand in the slightest - spoke for itself.

I have made it clear with Leo from the outset that the only people that I trust close to 100% are my family. This Leo acknowledged & I believe respects, as he would say the same for himself, of that there can be little doubt. If Leo has played some games on you, it is because you have let him. Leo has told you the rule of that game many times & you laughed. In retrospect is it so funny? The way to gain respect is to have your own rules of engagement. People might not always like them, but it is hard not to respect someone for defining where they stand in regards to personal interaction. Otherwise you might as well go to Rome to kiss the Pope's ring! It is a matter of personal self-respect. If you have to go cap in hand for some food then that is one matter. Anything else is quite another.

You also write:

"
[QUOTE]Maybe you should work a bit on becoming an accuracy researcher also (particularly regarding reading)

"

Phil: What are you referring to? This vague statement is barely worthy of comment. Oh, are you talking about my saying that you were enthusing about psy-ops games & now complain when you perceive yourself as being on the receiving end? It's all been recorded & posted on the net by you yourself! My comments above sum up my thoughts on that.

Another one on myself (these statements have made it impossible to be more restrained in my reply):


You constantly raise suspicions about the integrity of other people, that's fine since it is your preogative


Phil, I have given you some good, constructive advice about being on guard & vigilant & not being played for a sucker. This doesn't mean joining ... the Con Cen trolls in making poorly-researched & emotive attacks on Leo, but it does mean questioning him regarding matters that are troubling, as I have done many times, not rolling over like a dog waiting for a tummy rub. In your latest recording with Leo you even thought that when he was talking about getting married & having babies with someone that he was talking about you! It's on mp3 - fact. Leo had to say, "no, not you. bro!" or something similar. Oh dear!

Honestly, I would be worried about someone who never raises suspicions or is willing to openly discuss varying hypotheses. It is only by these methods that you one feel comfortable that all possibilities have been considered. This is the very thing that makes accuracy possible. I would rather discuss these with someone that I feel is well versed in the matter at hand & intelligent than go running to the internet forums with bipolar reports. That has been you up till this point, but I think that you have made it very hard for us to be able to have the relaxed attitude with each other that has been conducive to facilitating any of our reserach based on Leo's information. This would be a shame. It does not discourage me from saying what needs to be said though.

Finally: Bearing in mind the points raised above, how do you get off on writing & posting to whole number of people (tactless in the extreme, when you have baselessly attacked my motives & methods below):


but for all I know you may be an agent too since you seem to know rather well how to act as a corrosive intrigant yourself.


I presume that you mean "integrant". That is some baseless, one-dimensional B.S. Phil. Any advice that I've given you, words of caution & a willingness to discuss all possible motivations & situations have been matters that anyone with a bit of rigour would recognize as being sound, constructive & beneficial to protecting one's integrity, while deepening understanding & providing the most solid base from which to respond to new developments. With a bit of detached reflection I am sure that you will acknowledge the soundness of such methods.

Regarding the recipients of this email, I prefer dealing with those that I have had some two-way contact with & am not soliciting nor interested in responses from all.

Phil, I am willing to discuss any of the above with you further & would be happy for Leo to tell his side of what went down (& didn't go down) at Nice (& Monte Carlo - if anything with the latter) - like I said, he does seem to have gone under the radar in recent times, but he has my Skype contact & I'd be happy to hear from him & post it on the net.

Thank you -

Troy

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RE: HALVOR, WHY IS THIS MESSAGE COMING UP WHEN I GO TO LINK WITH XIANDOS RECENTLY?‏
From: Philip A E Jonkers
Sent: 15 August 2008 14:37:47
To: troy space
Cc: 'leo young'; 'Moziah'; 'Scott Bruno'; 'magiske prosesser'; 'Count Vivian Vivaldi III'

First off, you should address Scott instead of me since your post pertains more to him than to me. I thought you liked being direct and confrontational, so why not address Scott directly then? Secondly, you have pulled my words out of context, that’s your responsibility not mine. You call yourself a reality researcher fine, but maybe you should work a bit on becoming an accuracy researcher also (particularly regarding reading). You constantly raise suspicions about the integrity of other people, that’s fine since it is your prerogative, but for all I know you may be an agent too since you seem to know rather well how to act as a corrosive intrigant yourself.

Phil

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From: troy space
Sent: vrijdag 15 augustus 2008 14:03
To: magiske prosesser
Cc: philip a e jonkers
Subject: RE: HALVOR, WHY IS THIS MESSAGE COMING UP WHEN I GO TO LINK WITH XIANDOS RECENTLY?

Halvor,

Hmm, that's unfortunate, as it makes it look like a much lower level! L.O.L.!!

I was perusing through the Zagami forum & thought that Vivian's mentioning that some (two I'm guessing - seeing as that would be "some" of three) SMOM Papal Knights of Malta were staying at Leo's didn't sound good (if true). It had been reposted in a thread that had been deleted. I will paste relevant 2-part exchange between Phil & Vivian below. I'll also post this to Phil.

Phil,

You said that you're happy for Leo to dish out "propaganda", but you don't want to be psy-opped by him. Honestly Phil, it's unlikely that you can have one without the other. I've never endorsed this self-advocacy of "propaganda" that Leo has gone on about since April, so why do so? You attract back what you give out - this is your own claimed belief, as you've stated before, so this can be no surprise, no? Any forum that is set up by MI is almost certain to be a psy-op of one kind or another. I do not trust Scott Bruno particularly & have no interest in replying to his transparently bogus emails or post his self/agenda-promoting blog comments. His one-world appeals draw some people in, but his Zagami "expose" was pitiful, even using one of my article looking into Leo's family background, as one of his handful of sources, when in fact it does the opposite & lends weight to Leo's story! Hey, I'm all for thorough analysis, but that whole thing struck me as not just shoddy research, but some mind-playing game to sort out the children from the "grown-ups", as maybe the intention of him & whoever his MI backers are.

Thanks -

Troy

P.S.: here is the SMOM reference (as Leo seems to have seriously gone off the radar I'm not expecting to hear his explanation anytime soon, although I'd like to hear from him before making any hard conclusions):

Below entry Posted on Aug 5 or 6, 2008


Vivian of Rome and Venice Re:IT IS TIME FOR THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT LEO LYON ZAGAMI ! ! ! 10 Hours, 3 Minutes ago Karma: 1

Phil wrote:
QUOTE:
That's funny Monique never actually told me anything about these '3 other high-level guests'. Were their names: Huey, Dewey and Louie, by any small chance? Also if residence was such a problem then why did Leo explicitly block Daniele's initiative of offering me a place to crash at his 6-bedroom spacious mansion?

Just so you know, I don't hold you responsible for what happened Vivian. There may have been some unfortunate screw-ups along the line, that's fine but I just need for people to be square with me. Propaganda fine, but not with me please. Why do you think I became interested in this field to begin with?

LOL!!!!

Okay, they were officials from the Italian military, and according to Monique, some were from the SMOM.

I don't know Daniele's place. I have never been there.

Daniele is in Switzerland, he didn't have time to guest you in. Leo told me that he has too many places to take you Phil. It was impossible to stick it into his schedule, plus he was arrested again in Norway. Let it go dude! Lets forget about it. Lets shift the negativity over on that asshole Ezio. Motherfucking coward didn't have the balls to show up!

My inlaws also have spacious homes, but they are assholes. They won't let EVEN me stay there. I have been royally buttfucked by the Italian establishment, Phil. If I had residence, I would invite you. I think they are refusing me residence so that I drop my property claims.

Leo is sincere dude, he just a bad organizer. Monique will be fixing up things in the future. When I have rights here, so will I.

Stay Happy Dude, we are all in this thing together!


From: magiske prosesser
> Subject: Re: HALVOR, WHY IS THIS MESSAGE COMING UP WHEN I GO TO LINK WITH XIANDOS RECENTLY?
> To: troy space
> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:40:35 +0100
>
> Hi Troy,
>
> This is because Øyvind who runs and owns Xiandos has
> implemented a higher level of security for the website. If
> you notice the address has changed from 'http' to 'https'
> also.
>
> Halvor
>
> --
> all communication to and from this person will be subject
> to public availability
>
> public password: 17stovner
>
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:44:12 +0000
> troy space wrote:
> >
> > Secure Connection Failed en.xiandos.info uses an
> >invalid security certificate.The certificate is not
> >trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown.(Error
> >code: sec_error_unknown_issuer) * This could be a
> >problem with the server's configuration, or it could be
> >someone trying to impersonate the server. * If you
> >have connected to this server successfully in the past,
> >the error may be temporary, and you can try again later.
> > Or you can add an exception…
> > You should not add an exception if you are using
> >an internet connection that you do not trust completely
> >or if you are not used to seeing a warning for this
> >server.

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Mel

[14april2000]

well...ALTAR BOY Richards..I'm THE guy to NAIL Leo Zagami as a FRAUD just as soon as he appeared on the I'net about 3 1/2 years ago by first posting on APFN--I stated this VERY clearly back then and I TOLD this to Eric and Greg Szymanski BOTH along with Bill Deagle as well--many people KNOW this of me--I TOLD EVERYONE to STEER FAR CLEAR of Zagami from that time to a several months ago when he just showed up in the US(April 13 as I recall) to open his "LIBERTY LODGE" in a number of cities--I WARNED all the people I know in the MILITIA movement after a few of them sent me emails like,"who the fuck is Leo Zagami and WHY is he initiating contact with the MILITIA" ?..even though I have NEVER been in any militia group--I have friends who are and I pretty much destroyed ANY chance that Zagami was trying to use to INFILTRATE for the clear reason of IDENTIFY and then DESTROY them ... and YOU are VERY,VERY ill-informed as to WHO I am but you prefer to SLANDER and LIBEL a REAL PATRIOT like ME from the COWARDLY position of your IDIOT KEYBOARD--ALTAR BOY--you are NOT even a MAN enough to CHECK on the REAL FACTS--ASSHOLE..so in the end--YOU can go FUCK YOURSELF....you couldn't even FIND your own ASS using both hands and a full length mirror--ALTAR BOY..I am NO "agent".."two bit" or OTHERWISE..ASSWIPE...

Tim White,Viet Nam Vet(USAF)Concerned Citizen,Researcher,Investigator,Whistleblower


Words of the Militia:

"That's funny because I was in constant contact with Zagami's bodyguards the entire time he was here in the states. It was a culmination of efforts on the part of many involved that exposed Zagami for what he is. And it was the decision of the militia leadership at large to dismiss him and we all refused to put the militias under his leadership. He went back to Europe empty handed and very pissed off at the militias. White had absolutely no input in our decision. White is a spook and you can take that to the bank. That is why you will never find anything solid on him. He has contacts and support from the highest levels of government. In effect, he is untouchable. Just keep watching your six. What agency is the one that paid you a visit. My most trusted friend that gave me the scoop on White was visited by U.S. Marshals and has since relocated. I have been investigated and been under surveillance by the FBI for the last 15 years. It just goes with the territory. Know this, that there are agents in many different agencies who are on our side but must maintain a low profile in order to continue their service to "The People." But many more work for the dark side so let your spiritual gift of discernment guide you when dealing with any of them."

"That is a common tactic that they use in their psyops. They try to convince you that they are the real patriots and that by attacking them you do the patriot movement a disservice. Just remember this...By their fruits ye shall know them. Another saying is....Follow the money! That is why I know that Alex Jones is an agent of the government because he is a profiteer making book on the patriots. They all have close ties with each other and are supported from the highest levels of government. And make no mistake about it this is a spiritual battle! Our very souls are at stake."

[thetonic]

Ok , so in your own words , please explain plainly and calmly what yuo think Zagami is up to / working for

do you have any original thoughts to add

or simply copy / paste emails ad infinitum ?

[ephilution]

do you have any original thoughts to add

or simply copy / paste emails ad infinitum ?
Precisely my thoughts....

he can rehash endless paranoid and unfounded rantings and ravings, all the frivolous matters of all the challenged egos of the world, until the cows come home and still not get any further than a straight-jacket, an extended stay in a luxurious soft-walled room and a chemical lobotomy to boot.

It proves jack shit and only helps to clutter up email boxes with new spam (including my own, thanks very much dammit)

[shane]

Zagami is a raving nutcase.

I've heard him on the radio, threatening to kill the entire norwegian government, saying he would personally shoot the PM in the head and that he had Mossad agents in his pocket who were ready to kill for him.

Now, unless that was someone else pretending to be him, the man is insane.

[pduffy4]

On 11 January Moziah, the spiritual adviser to Illuminati Grand Master and Reformer Leo Zagami, finally shared with me in quite some detail how she managed to rid Leo of the principality demon called Lucifer. For those not in the know, Leo underwent a 6 month magical initiation ritual under the guidance of Jesuit priests in the San Benedetto Monastery in Subiaco, Italy. It was accomplished on 6 June 2006 (666). The contract demanded that Leo was to serve as a human host for Lucifer for a period of two years. According to Leo, Lucifer possession, at least in his case, was necessary, so that he would be able to advance to the next Illuminati degree. Leo got set free of Lucifer one month ahead of the contract termination date. You may think it was only one month, but Leo was literally as happy as a kid when he got rid of ‘Luci’ prematurely.

Article plus audio downloads available here:
http://illuminatichronicles.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/moziah-casts-out-lucifer-1of3-spiritual-preparatory/

I like this:D-
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[thetonic]

Zagami is a raving nutcase.
.

Hes insane , hes a nutcase , hes a liar , hes an agent, hes a double agent , hes a double double agent, hes a triple agent.... etc...

Does anybody have anything fucking intelligent to say on this topic!!!!????

[venividivici2311]

Hes insane , hes a nutcase , hes a liar , hes an agent, hes a double agent , hes a double double agent, hes a triple agent.... etc...

Does anybody have anything fucking intelligent to say on this topic!!!!????

Maybe this is intelligent enough....in the project camelot interview he did,wich was recorded in 2006 i believe,he sayd,not predicted,said that the economic crisis will start in September 2008 AND he said that the final elections would go between Mcain and Obama,but Obama was already chosen to be the winner.Look it up if you will.
But he still looks like an nutcase :D

[shane]

Does anybody have anything fucking intelligent to say on this topic!!!!????


I don't know, why don't you give it a try?

[keenly]

leo is the truth

[thetonic]

I don't know, why don't you give it a try?

hardee har har ... :rolleyes:

[stewart edwards]

I havent spoken to Leo for some years now, but I have spent I guess 20 hours in his company.

I would listen to him. So he is a natural entertainer, but he has been effective in generating thought, and that is the first step to making a difference. For thought, whether you agree with it or not, does lead to reflection even if only through ridicule, and in time, the will is found to move forwards.

I have no idea what is motivating him but I can tell you that he is someone that I fondly remember as being a nice guy. He was always pleasant, nice, helpful, funny, considerate. He has clearly been through the wringer a few times so give him a break. I wonder how you would bear up if life threw a few wobblies at you of the type Leo has endured (and I mean things like wife children etc not the lucifer stuff).

[14april2000]

I find this artikel very suspicious. This Fethullah Gulen will be the boss of Roman Catholic Christian system. He It is nothing more an Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor his country Turkey is just another jesuit shithole like any countrys in the Whole world. The Roman Catholic church has being under total of the jesuit order since 1814. He should be very carefull of what drinks and of witch glass he drinks of because the Jesuits never forget or forgive so they don`t give him The famous cup of Borgia a golden cup with a hidden area storing the poison so it could be mixed with the wine, is often mentioned as the Borgia family's favorite way of poison an enemy of the order and it is much older when the jesuit order it se it first was founded in 1534 and made legal in 1540 by the papacy.

To add this i fiind most of his infomation ok except the infomation that place Rich jews like the Rothschilds so high in the iluminati top,they are only hofjuden in germen or english papal court jews traitor to there own people.

But you can never be sure about bloodlines because most them have being mind control them self. The way he wants to change the iluminati to something good sound very nice, but in reality i am afraid thats is not possible because there agenda is almost finsh and will soon have global marshall law.

Tasting the cup of the Borgia.

http://www.reformation.org/borgia-ch5.html


Pope Alexander VI

Burchard recorded the events that surrounded the death of the Pope. Cesare was preparing for another expedition in August 1503 when, after he and Alexander had dined with Cardinal Adriano da Corneto on August 6th, they were taken ill with fever. Cesare had eventually recovered, but Alexander VI was too old to have any chance. According to Burchard, Alexander VI's stomach became swollen and turned to liquid, while his face became wine-coloured and his skin began to peel off. Finally his stomach and bowels bled profusely. After more than a week of intestinal bleeding and convulsive fevers, and after accepting last rites and making a confession, the despairing Alexander VI expired on 18 August 1503 at the age of . He is said to have uttered the last words "Wait a minute" before expiring.

His death was followed by scenes of wild disorder, and Cesare, too ill to attend to the business himself, sent Don Michelotto, his chief bravo, to seize the Pope's treasures before the death was publicly announced. When the body was exhibited to the people the next day it was in a shocking state of decomposition. Writing in his Liber Notarum, Burchard elaborates: "The face was very dark, the colour of a dirty rag or a mulberry, and was covered all over with bruise-coloured marks. The nose was swollen; the tongue had bent over in the mouth, completely double, and was pushing out the lips which were, themselves, swollen. The mouth was open and so ghastly that people who saw it said they had never seen anything like it before." It has been suggested that, having taken into account the unusual level of decomposition, Alexander VI was accidentally poisoned to death by his son with Cantarella (which was prepared to eliminate Cardinal Adriano), although some commentaries (including the Encyclopædia Britannica) doubt these stories and attribute Alexander's death to malaria, at that time prevalent in Rome, or to another such pestilence. The ambassador of Ferrara wrote to Duke Ercole that it was no wonder the pope and the duke were sick because nearly everyone in Rome was ill as a consequence of bad air ("per la mala condictione de aere").

Burchard described how the Pope's mouth foamed like a kettle over a fire and how the body began to swell so much that it became as wide as it was long. The Venetian ambassador reported that Alexander VI's body was "the ugliest, most monstrous and horrible dead body that was ever seen, without any form or likeness of humanity". Finally the body began to release sulphurous gasses from every orifice. Burchard records that he had to jump on the body to jam it into the undersized coffin and covered it with an old carpet, the only surviving furnishing in the room.

Such was Alexander VI's unpopularity that the priests of St. Peter's Basilica refused to accept the body for burial until forced to do so by papal staff. Only four prelates attended the Requiem Mass. Alexander's successor on the Throne of St. Peter, Francesco Todeschini-Piccolomini, who assumed the name of Pope Pius III (1503), forbade the saying of a Mass for the repose of Alexander VI's soul, saying, "It is blasphemous to pray for the damned". After a short stay, the body was removed from the crypts of St. Peter's and installed in a less well-known church, the Spanish national church of Santa Maria in Monserrato degli Spagnoli.


Tasting the cup of the Borgia.

http://www.reformation.org/borgia-ch5.html

"THE “CANTARELLA," DEADLY POISON OF THE BORGIA,' THE SECRET OF ITS PREPARATION HAS BEEN LOST—"ETERNITY POWDERS" AND "TIME POISONS"—RICH CARDINALS FORCED TO DRINK THE FATAL CUP-RAISING MONEY FOR THE ARMIES OF THE POPE'S SON—THE BANQUET OF DEATH WITH THE GRIM GODDESS NEMESIS AS AN UNBIDDEN GUEST—THE LAST DAYS OF ALEXANDER, AND HIS HORRIBLE END.


The Vatican looms large in the proverbs of the Roman populace. The dominant note is one of fear and distrust. "He who drinks of the water in the Vatican will die soon," is a saying that is heard to this day. "Tasting the cup of the Borgia" means the sudden or mysterious passing out of this world into the next. Proverbs are not only crystals of wisdom but often reflections of history. The history of the Roman church has been altered more than once by poison skillfully prepared and cunningly administered. In the biographies of popes and cardinals the tale of poisoning is not unfamiliar. Not all the poison in the Vatican, however, was made by hands. There has always been the deadly venom conceived in the mind and distilled to the world even at this hour in the pulpit and the press and the school. The Inquisition, the St. Bartholomew massacre, wars between nations and civil strife, ills and woes without number have come from the toxic laboratory of the Vatican, where they brew poisons for the mind in such infinite variety.



Leo goes on to explain that the people of the Gulen movement, under the guise of interreligious dialogue, are in close but secret collaboration with the Vatican and the Jesuits.[1] It is known that Abdullah Aymaz together with Fethullah Gulen was received by Pope John Paul II in 1998. The secret plan is for the Muslim system to stealthily substitute the faltering Roman Catholic Christian system as a means to keep subdued the people and maintain control over its lower level leadership. Leo states that “forty Cardinals have already secretly converted to Islam and have submitted to Fethullah Gulen.” Gulen isthe present head[2] of the Illuminati Chain of Forty of Islam (also called the “Golden Chain”), “a chain that goes on since the time of Prophet Mohammed.” A secret organization secretly in charge of people in the metaphysical realm and the geopolitical establishment.

Leo explains that the planned secret takeover of the Roman Catholic power structure by the Muslim Illuminati, headed by the Gulen Movement while working hand-in-glove with the Jesuits will only apply to people in positions of power who are to secretly convert to Islam while outwardly still professing traditional Christian creeds. The masses of people will be allowed to carry on professing their traditional religious creeds all the while being impervious to the notion that their leaders are really crypto-Muslims doing the bidding of the all powerful Islamic-Jesuitical hierarchy. Therefore, ideally, the common people will not notice the secret religious changeover in their leadership.




Exposing The High Ranking Muslim Illuminati Abdullah Aymaz

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=4706

In just two days after I posted one specific picture on leozagami.com, the site got hacked and taken down. Judging from the text that was left in place, it was done by a team of Turkish hackers. Obviously there are people out there who do not like the fact that that particular picture was brought into public consciousness.

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Above is a copy of that notorious picture. As you may recall, Leo was arrested in March 2008 by the Norwegian Police and his house raided by the Norwegian Intelligence (PST). Quite a few of his personal belongings were confiscated by the PST, without proper legal justification I might add; Leo’s computers (containing years of dedicated and precious research), cellphones and other personals that simply not even remotely had any bearing on the trumped up charges brought down on Leo.

The picture, published now once again, was stored on one of Leo’s seized computers. The possibility of having the picture disclosed to the public is due to the fact that after more than half a year being dispossessed, Leo’s belongings have finally been returned to its rightful owner. In all likelihood the PST decided to return them in order to save themselves from mounting embarrassment in the eyes of the rest of the international community.

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In the course of the Skype conversation I had with Leo on November 21, ‘08 detailed below and downloadable through this link, it should become clearer who this mysterious and largely unknown in the West but nonetheless very powerful man Abdullah Aymaz is; what his position is within the Islamic establishment; and why publishing this apparently very sensitive picture is so incriminating to Aymaz so as to result in the act of hijacking, presumably directed by the Turkish Intelligence, the medium on which it was published for the very first time.

Below is given a synopsis, rendered with varying degrees of detail, of the conversation Leo and I had on the very same day leozagami.com was taken down by hackers. (Update: Sunday, the site seems to have fortunately been restored once again) More words, including partial transcription, will be devoted to the interview parts in which Leo elaborates on Abdullah Aymaz and the question why the picture posted on leozagami.com was of so embarrassing to the Muslim Illuminati establishment.

Synopsis

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Leo declares that the aggressive intrusion into leozagami.com is clearly an act of war. He accuses the Turkish government/Intelligence, in command of the crew of hackers who have carried out the illegal cyber-space attack, out of an apparent reaction of fear for Leo’s continued exposure efforts.



He goes on to explain, “Abdullah Aymaz is the second in command of the Gulen movement worldwide and probably the second most powerful person in Turkey after Fethullah Gulen. He is the European editor of Zaman, the leading newspaper in Turkey, [which is] obviously in the hands of the Gulen movement.” He then states, “Abdullah Aymaz is not just an journalist, or an editor or somebody important for his political role. He is a religious leader. People respect him very much in Turkey.” Leo says that on behalf of Gulen (who resides in the US) Aymaz “controls basically the prime- minister of Turkey Erdogan and the president of Turkey [Abdullah Gül] who are these so-called moderate Muslims in the hands of the Gulen movement. This is the biggest threat that modern secular Turkey had since its establishment made possible by the great freemason called Kemal Ataturk.” He says that, at the time of Ataturk, the Ottoman Empire was still quite strong and that “he [Ataturk] had to get rid of all those religious fundamentalists including the family of Fatma, the Suslu family [who are Sayyids] which was part of the Ottoman Empire Establishment. So Ataturk had to fight these people in order to secularize the state. Now after almost a hundred years they have managed to regain power. The situation in Turkey is still under control because obviously the Military are still in control of people who know the danger of religious fanatics who hide themselves in the disguise of moderate Islam.”

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Leo goes on to explain that the people of the Gulen movement, under the guise of interreligious dialogue, are in close but secret collaboration with the Vatican and the Jesuits.[1] It is known that Abdullah Aymaz together with Fethullah Gulen was received by Pope John Paul II in 1998. The secret plan is for the Muslim system to stealthily substitute the faltering Roman Catholic Christian system as a means to keep subdued the people and maintain control over its lower level leadership. Leo states that “forty Cardinals have already secretly converted to Islam and have submitted to Fethullah Gulen.” Gulen is the present head[2] of the Illuminati Chain of Forty of Islam (also called the “Golden Chain”), “a chain that goes on since the time of Prophet Mohammed.” A secret organization secretly in charge of people in the metaphysical realm and the geopolitical establishment.

Leo explains that the planned secret takeover of the Roman Catholic power structure by the Muslim Illuminati, headed by the Gulen Movement while working hand-in-glove with the Jesuits will only apply to people in positions of power who are to secretly convert to Islam while outwardly still professing traditional Christian creeds. The masses of people will be allowed to carry on professing their traditional religious creeds all the while being impervious to the notion that their leaders are really crypto-Muslims doing the bidding of the all powerful Islamic-Jesuitical hierarchy. Therefore, ideally, the common people will not notice the secret religious changeover in their leadership.

Leo quotes the alleged words by the Prophet Mohammed:

“Lying is wrong, except in three things:
the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him;
a lie to an enemy, for war is deception;
or a lie to settle trouble between people”
Ahmad, 6.459. H

This religiously supported approval of lying is in sharp contrast with the words of the soon to be ex-President of the US, George W Bush:

“Islam is a faith that brings comfort to people. It inspires them
to lead lives based on honesty, and justice, and compassion.”
~President George W. Bush, October 11, 2002

Aware that this might upset some Muslims, Leo argues that he is not Salman Rushdie and is more than well-prepared to face the consequences of any possible Fatwas issued against him. Leo states that the Muslims are not the only hypocrites in the world as they are in good company by the Jews, the Catholics, as well as the Protestants. “We are surrounded by hypocrisy”, Leo says.

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Leo explains that he distinguishes himself from Phelps, Szymanski and other anti-Vatican researchers in that he doesn’t necessarily agrees with everything they say and stand for.


Drawing from information stored on his now returned computers, in the near future Leo will release an interview in which Fatma not only was in agreement with and in support of Leo, but she also made some startling allegations that “will definitely upset certain Muslims, especially because she is a Sayyid.” After the arrival of Thomas Michel, SJ and the people from the Zivilyn network to get her involved with Alexander Rai (also see here), she suddenly turned into “a very different person.” Leo implies that Fatma relinquished her loyalty to him for the purpose of gaining political power in Norway.

Leo then goes on the criticize Project Camelot and their irresponsible attitude towards the information they spread with their interviews. He would like to see them taking an effort in systematically verifying the information passed on to them by their interviewees so that they may reach a more professional and honest research level. He says, “they are people who are misled and they are people who want to be misled and they are people who are not really there to tell you the truth.”

According to Leo, Fatma was aware that when Project Camelot came to Oslo to interview Leo early 2008, “it was a whole trap being set up behind his back and Project Camelot was used for this whole trap.” Project Camelot are “puppets” taking part in a psychological operation controlled by people in the “CIA and the NSA”, meant to lead people away from the truth. However Leo does hope “they will wake up to the truth one day.” A while ago Leo sent me this link to a video capture of a Jinn apparition that happened during his Project Camelot interview.

Thwarting the Orwellian NWO through a peaceful revolution using the truth movement is the preferred way to go.

The self-contradictory nature of the Obama advocate called Alexander Rai is raised.

It is stressed again that Leo is not opposed to the NWO. The thing that matters though is who or what is leading the NWO and Leo makes it clear that he opposes a NWO based on corruption and Orwellian kind of police state.

He emphasizes that Freemasonry, unlike the slavish system it is today, should be restored once again to a kind in which freedom of speech and freedom of thinking is again at its core as it used to be a couple of hundred years ago. This way a more effective opposition can be generated towards the religious oppression and fanaticism that is holding sway in the world, with people like the Gulen Movement supported by the Vatican, the Jesuits and the Zionists who are “looking towards 2012 at which they can really reach Armageddon.” Once Freemasonry truly is free again, the masons can without fear for repercussions criticize certain aspects of the NWO, such as micro-chipping, its panoptical nature and privacy invading social networks. He says that Freemasonry is living off the great names of the past in which free thinking was still in vogue.

Leo condemns the basis for much of today’s Freemasonry which is Pharaonic Magic and he is a proponent of revealing to the public the knowledge that has been kept secret for most people since time immemorial.

The ramifications and meaning of 2012 is elaborated on. He explains that the New Age interpretation of it is Psyop again meant to lead people away from the truth.

He elaborates the scripted nature of Ayman al-Zawahiri making the statement that Obama is a “House Negroe” doing the bidding of the White man.

In the beginning of a change,
the patriot is a scarce man, and brave,
and hated and scorned.
When his cause succeeds,
the timid join him,
for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
~Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

Because “mankind is made of imbeciles” an all out war, starting in 2012, is not only inevitable, it is necessary, Leo states.

The paradox of Leo talking about peace and the next moment about war is given clarification but that the former, in the expression of dialogue and diplomacy, clearly deserves preference over the latter.

How Leo preceded Obama regarding the use of the buzzword Hope; the word Change has indeed become a bit of a fad as is further evidenced by the site change.org. It is unlikely though that the change people like Obama and people behind change.org envisage will lead to a systemic societal change that will benefit mankind as a whole or that the change heralds to a more socially acceptable redistribution of wealth and resources in the world.

Leo recounts a recent experience he had in downtown Rome involving a convertible Ferrari and a man on a scooter trying to rob the driver of that Ferrari with a phony gun and how it relates to the delicate ideal balance of state guaranteed security on the one hand and state imposed authority on the other.

He explains the nature of 2012 as to what we can expect to happen and what to not expect to happen.

“Drugs are given to the masses so that they can think of something else and not have their brains focus on the real problems that are happening” and “make them slaves of this virtual world.” In addition, drugs are used by the powers that be to finance covert operations. The Internet in many ways is being used similar to a drug, an extra escape route from reality, if you will.

He then explains some more regarding the nature of the picture of Leo posing with Abdullah Aymaz and why it is so incriminating so as to precipitate the verifiable act of aggression against leozagami.com. An act which is, according to US law, unlawful since the company hosting leozagami.com by virtue of its affiliation with the US government. The picture serves as evidence that there “was a secret meeting, held in Oslo, with Abdullah Aymaz in the house of Kemalettin Suslu. You have to understand that this meeting was not an official meeting, this was not some kind of conference where you can just go there and meet people.” He explains,

“there are a lot of Muslims out there that know that there’s corruption among them and that there’s corruption even among the family [members] of the Prophet Mohammed.”

Instead of fake political change as is cast on the public through the mesmerizing spells by President-elect Obama, or change as suggested by the Dalai Lama or the Pope, in order to revolutionize the world its people “should have a change in the heart”, Leo advocates.

“The metaphysical kingdom will be studied ten years from now in universities. Universities in a new world in which there’s gonna be a knowledge that even will be superior to any Pharaonic magic or knowledge of ancient Atlantis or any other civilization. Because this time, we have the possibility to meet the gods, with God in the moment that is most important for them: the Ragnarok.” [...] “It’s a moment in which the masters are meeting together, the real masters, and they’re meeting with the master under the Supreme Creator of all beings in a situation that has not been seen on this planet for a while.” This refers to 2012.

“This picture of Abdullah Aymaz is very important because this guy is the second most important man in Turkey. [...] that demonstrates obviously the secret link that has been going on between the government of Turkey, the government of Norway, the secret governments of Turkey and Norway made out of those people who think they can establish the NWO in secret, converting everybody to this Islamic way that should be the solution because obviously it’s a mind control system that seems to work very well but it’s not working for us, because we are too intelligent for this Phil. We have to move forward, we have to really bring this world forward. Yes we believe in God and yes we believe we can do a real change but not with the bigotry that really inspires these people. [...] By publishing this picture, I do not want to insult Abdullah Aymaz (I don’t want to insult anybody) I just want to prove that what I said back then after my arrest was true. And I want to also prove that this meeting indeed happened and that people who want to hide things shouldn’t hide them and shouldn’t be there hacking on my Internet site because they are scared of this revelation because a lot of the opposition in Turkey will jump immediately on board when they see a picture like that.”

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“You have to understand, Abdullah Aymaz doesn’t take pictures with anybody. It was a rarity. People were impressed that Aymaz said yes. But you know why Aymaz said yes for this picture? Because he knows Gabriele Mandel Khan who also followed him in the meeting with the Pope. And Gabriele Mandel Khan is, as you know, a Freemason, a 33 degree from the Obedience of Simoneti here in Italy and he is the head of the Sufi Jerrahi-Halveti in Italy Milan and also a representative of very high level of the Muslim Illuminati so he himself obviously is my friend. When I met Abdullah Aymaz I could immediately say I’m a friend of Gabriele, he was immediately welcoming because he knew they had something in common. They were all astonished, the people there because the Gulen Movement representatives when they saw me starting talking with Aymaz and that he recognized me that I was an Illuminati and that I was somebody that knew somebody from within the Order from the whole scheme of things that was the first time I saw Fatma wearing a Hejab.” [...] It was something she did out of respect for a religious leader. “This will be something that I think a lot of people in Norway will find very interesting about their upcoming politician, [from] the social democrat party, wearing a Hejab because she is in front of a so-called religious leader in liberal Norway.”[...] The exclusivity of Leo being allowed to pose with Aymaz is evidenced by the fact that Fatma was only allowed to meet, shake hands and silently be humble whereas Leo “was not only allowed to go talk to him, present myself [...] and to the surprise of everybody present he let me do a picture with him. No wonder, they have hacked our site. And they will continue to hack every single site that has that picture on it.[...] It’s a very important moment because up until now a lot of people out there were doubting that I had been brought to the upper levels of the Muslim Illuminati and that I was actually together with their leaders at such high level in their secret meetings. This was not proven by any picture up until now.” So with this picture Leo’s skeptics and detractors have even less ground to tread on. The reason why not only the Muslim Illuminati but also the Catholic Illuminati (the Jesuits) do not like the presence in the public consciousness of the Zagami-Aymaz picture is that through this picture Leo is striking at the heart of the deceptive and corrupt Inter-religious Dialogue, which not only consists of the Gulen movement “but which is especially led by the Vatican itself which itself is involved with this hypocrisy for the last 2000 years.”

Closing statement:

“If I die, you know the reason why I died. If I live well we can only thank God. I hope I can continue in my mission but I’m never gonna get scared again [...] I’m never ever gonna go inside a prison cell again. I will prefer to kill myself before they come and get me and I say this and I swear to God that I will do it. So don’t try to do it again, because I’m gonna kill myself and then you gonna lose everything that goes with me. So don’t even attempt to do it again because I’m ready to kill myself. They locked me in two times because of this bullshit with the Gulen Movement. They have my son, they have kidnapped my son. They don’t let me see my son growing [up]. And they think that they can come here? Well, there’s gonna be a bunch of people around me that are gonna give their lives for me before they can get to me. And even if they get to me I’m gonna shoot myself in the head before they can actually put their hands on me another time so forget it. [...] The Grandmaster to be locked in prison, forget it. I’m gonna continue with my exposure work. [...] My mission is to bring you and everybody else to the next stage of humanity and we gonna do that in peace where possible with war if necessary.”

Audio recording of this interview:
http://www.mediafire.com/?mtmov32myym

[ephilution]

In this part we discuss the religion called Atheism, Jesus as a brother/sister as an alternative to the ones that have sexual connotations. Moziah shares exorcism anecdotes en specifics and what a truly effective exorcism requires. She talks about the virtue of prayer and fasting, the voice of God, sin, Jezebel, the Holy Trinity and Diga, the faith healer that works and cured her and Sister Keri from their illnesses and ailments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2dwsYJAl3E&eurl=http://illuminatichronicles.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/17-moziahs-spiritual-preparatory/&feature=player_embedded

Other parts:
http://illuminatichronicles.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/27-moziahs-spiritual-preparatory/

[ephilution]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q7wV8nTjFA&eurl=http://illuminatichronicles.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/111-moziahs-prior-experience-with-lucifer/&feature=player_embedded

This part was recorded half a year ago when Leo was in America. We hear how Clinton Torres, Leo’s head of security, tells how they were attacked by demons. I am introduced to Moziah who tells me all about, Christ, God, Gnosticism and her first encounter with Lucifer.

Other parts:
http://illuminatichronicles.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/211-moziahs-prior-experience-with-lucifer/

[ephilution]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMiFhpLcoEE&eurl=http://illuminatichronicles.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/110-moziah-delivers-leo-from-lucifer/&feature=player_embedded

In this third and final part Moziah explains to me the virtue of the Armour of God and how she met Leo and his security team. She details how Lucifer manifested himself through Leo and how she managed to cast him out and describes to me what the inherent vacancy is that belongs to this Prince of Darkness.

Other parts:
http://illuminatichronicles.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/210-moziah-delivers-leo-from-lucifer/

[soulinspiration]

For the sake of clarity, I would like to say that "14april2000"'s reposts of the email threads that I had with Tim White & Phil Jonkers were copied from my posting of them at the Unhived Mind.

I would have appreciated this fact being made clear, as it might appear to some that I posted them here, which is not the case.

Any views expressed by "14april2000" (who also posts at The Unhived Mind forum) regarding Leo Zagami or anything else are their take on things, not mine.

I have since spoken to Phil Jonkers (a few months back, not recently) & I believe that we have put this spat behind us & moved on. I wish him no ill will, nor Leo, who I have not spoken with since autumn 2008.

- TS

Reality Research Resource

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com

http://leozagami.wordpress.com

[luciferhorus]

Necromancy, Mental Health and the "Voice of God."

To most Christians or those who adhere to religions which propagate the sins of restriction, Crowley's mixture of Necromancy (the evocation of the gods / goddesses / ancestral spirits), psychocative useage and sex magick often appears to be a recipie for the invocation (personification) of evil, since they consider their own form of "possession" to be "good". I say this not to be "negative" about necromancy and magick, or to discourage anyone from undertaking it; the magickian who undertakes either path of domination or submission risks their own sanity; however these risk, in my judgement is much greater if one uses the common "abstaining religions such as the "Christian" method of mixing Christian necromancy (the evocation of Jesus) with the sins of abstinence (i.e., celibacy, monogamy and absence of psychoactive useage);

Spirit World. The myriads.

We do not know for how many millions of years there have been evolved intelligent, spiritual beings in our universe; our planet is only one of myriads of planets in a universe of suns where the environment for organic chemistry (of "living beings") exists. One of the "strange" ideas of the Scientology cult fiction is that we humans are constantly surrounded by the souls of our ancestors, and that these ancestral spirits are not merely those of our own planet, but of the entire past history of the universe; as much as the mythology of Hubbad's cult is built around rather poorly written and incredulous science fiction, it is my understanding that this essential idea is actually descriptive of our spiritual reality.

Voice of God. Heaven and Hell.

Having experimented rather wildly with psychoactives and necromancy throughout my life and having taken this experiment on my own consciousness to the most extreme situations imaginable, my own shamanic experiences convince me that we are constantly surrounded by countless myriads of "gods (ancestral sprits);" thus when a person claims to have heard the "voice of God (as Leo Zagami claims)," or to "channel (speak on behalf of)" the Creator, one must also consider the fact that numerous individuals have made this claim, including many inmates of mental health institutions and mass murderers; for example the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe also made this claim in court (that "God" had told him to murder hs victims), as did George ("God told me to invade Iraq") Bush, and we currently in the UK have a genocidal imperialistic head of state who is allegedly Jesus' representative on earth to all 80 million Anglicans in the world.

Lucifer. Possession and domination.

My invocation of "Lucifer" began many years ago during a period where I was constantly in a psychoactive haze. Generally the difference between Abramelin magick and Christian evocation (the summoning of ancestral spirits) is the difference between possession and domination. The Christian asks to be possessed and dominated; language such as "Come into my soul, Lord, take over my life, let me do you will, etc." is common in Christianity; this is the language of possession; it is he language of a weak willed individual crying out to be "possessed and dominated" by the ancestral spirits, and all too often their wish is granted and the consequence is insanity and the propagation of evil.

The Abramelinic magckian is quite the opposite; with this method the magickian never submits to the will of the gods and risks possession; on the contrary it is the will of the magickian (for god or evil) which is paramount; it is the magickians voice which is the voice of God to the ancestral realm; it is he (or she) who commands and makes demands, for good or evil.

It seems to me having read through parts of Leo's website that his method is a very dangerous one, it is the traditional Christian method of submission and of possession; of heeding the voices of the ancestors (whose nature and will we can only guess); this of course the wide path to hell on earth and in eternity.

Lucifer

Lucifer is not an individual but merely an astrological archetype associated with both Venus and the Sun; the ancestral world is full of souls who have a rebellious nature and who refuse to submit to the authority of tyranny and human evil. There have been so many Promethean archetypes in human history of whom Jesus and Guevara are probably the most well known, but almost all Anarchists fit this archetype.

What we have in the Christian tradition is a recipie for human evil; a recipie for possession; the hatred of the Luciferian archetype, the hatred of those who would rebel and resist in the face of tyranny and human evil; we generally find that those who would submit and enslave themselves to the authority of a tyrannical god and his priesthood are held in esteem.

What I find with Christian anti-Catholics or anti-Catholics from abstinence based religions, including many New Agers is that they simpy wish to replace one tyrant deity with another one; I find "Leo" and "Eric Phelps" to be no different.

We have no need of the new religion of Matrixism or a new tyrant god to replace the old gods; we of the New Aeon already have Thelema as our guiding moral philosophy and Anarchism as our political philosophy; these shall suffice in the Aeon to come and for the duration of the 1000 and 10,000 year revolution of Light.

Love and Light

Lucifer
lux e tenbris

[kappy0405]

Leo disinformation? LOL That sure sounds funny to hear on a forum on which it is absolutely no big deal to speak about shape-shifting blood-curdling lizards.

Gimme a break LOL
that's not the best defense considering Zagami himself stated that Reptilians and Demons are the same thing. :rolleyes:

[luciferhorus]

that's not the best defense considering Zagami himself stated that Reptilians and Demons are the same thing. :rolleyes:

http://www.apocalyptic-theories.com/gallery/beast/blakebeast2bg.jpg

Frankly that is the position I take also. I have personally had a lifetime of experiences which are rather "similar" to the testimonies related in Icke's writings with regards to "shape shifting reptiles;" however I simply interpret these experiences differently; the vast majority of intense psychoactive experiences (I use to run a rather large psychoactive laboratory by the way) I have had have been overwhelmingly "bad" experiences; this is essentially a natural side effect of mixing necromancy with psychoactive useage; that is to say experiences of Hell; of the demonic reams; however all such experiences were purely subjective (i.e., occurring within my own consciousness) and not objective.

I was reading a scientific article some time ago about religious hysteria in the middle ages; to summarise, it was suggested that this religious hysteria was in part caused by the mass consumption of mouldy food (especially in the European winters) and alchohol in a realm where for much of the year our ancestors were surviving on various forms of preserved foods; food mould is of course a natural psychoactive; LSD, for example being derived from mouldy barley (Ergot); to those who are familiar with psychoactive experiences, the appearance of demons, angels, gods, visions, hallucinations, shamanic journeys, remote viewing etc., are all perfectly understandable as subjective (inner) experiences.

An encyclopedic reference of trip reports is available on http://www.erowid.org

With regards to testimonies of "shape shifting" reptiles, I find this to be entirely credible and unsurprising; what I don't find to be credible is that these were "objective" experiences occurring in the world of the 5 senses. After all we do live in a world where "spiritual possession" is considered "good" and "normal" in many traditions such as the various native shamanic traditions and especially in Christianty.

The belief that those who live at the top of the Capitalist food chain and who are committed to world Capitalist revolution, imperialism, state terrorism, narco-terrorism, economic slavery and to maintaining humanity in a state of permanent war, poverty, tyranny etc., are "possessed" by malevolent gods (ancestral spirits) is a commonly held view among spiritualists; I suspect that this is the real explanation for the "shape shifting reptilian" phenomena.

Frankly since David Icke has never claimed to have had such experiences himself and merely relies on the testimony of others, I do think that this is part of his Achillies' Heel, and a position which undermines his credibility in the popular culture, which is a great shame since he is an otherwise insightful analyst of the problems of usury, tyranny and organised religion etc.

LL

Lux