Fluoride Pineal Gland THEORY

[universal_]

So.... apparently according to the ancients, the organ which connects you to the higher reality, in which you experience spirituality is the pineal gland.... This gland happens to be the organ that regulates melatonin, thus regulates the times you're up and the times you're asleep...So it appears the ancients knew full well the purpose and power of the pineal gland...Essentially the organ that separates our waking life from our sleeping life...Or our spiritual life( only 1/60th of the soul stays in the body during sleep) from our physical life...Its our umbilical cord to the higher world....This organ is also where we 'visualize' or see things with our 'minds eye' , considered by the ancients the 3rd eye...

Now the weird thing is apparently fluoride(which happens to be put in our water) actually builds up in the pineal gland....Causing a possible divorce or limited response on the pineals glands part in receiving spiritual signals from its source, or the individuals ability to experience any spiritual connection..

Thought that was strange....fluoride actually building up in the pineal gland(go look it up if you think I'm bullshiting) this generations rise in atheism, agnosticism, apathy, etc....There must definitely be some correlation between these two.....Its not simply the indolence of many of these people, but an actual inability to perceive such things...due to the pineal gland being swamped with a chemical that interferes with a spiritual resonance

If i were to guess id say thats the point...abrogating ties between the physical/spiritual worlds....Creating a divorce between body and spirit...Seems like an easy way to control a populace....Create the world you want...Seems like were living in the modern of era of the tower of babel....Everyones coming close to speaking one language, we live in an age of moral blasphemy, sexual impurity, an impudence to spirituality ....and all this essentially serves the goals of the elite...to be our 'gods'...to fashion the world in 'their' image.

......
Does the pineal gland regulate sleep/wake? yes
Does the pineal gland visualize? yes
Does fluoride build up in the pineal gland? yes.

Given what we know scientifically to the functions of the pineal gland, the ostensible creating capacity of it, being the organ that projects images in our minds....The ancients knew THEN what we know now...The pineal gland does all these things.....If your spiritual resonance came through this highest organ, the 7th/crown chakra...and if you blocked any mental response from this higher reality using a chemical like fluoride, than that obviously tells me that thats one of the main functions of spiking our water supplies with this utterly unnecessary chemical( breast milk has 10 orders of magnitude less fluoride than what they put in our water supplies - so if nature doesn't give us fluoride, why the $#@* do they put in our water/ baby formulas in such high quantities??....

Its because they want us this way....your whole spiritual/psychic sense of reality is blocked by this chemical...turns you into a veritable machine, not asking any questions or even bother wondering.....Sorta explains why todays society is as it is, and all past societies were so radically different.


and than theres the apathy, slightly lowered IQ, cancers , bone diseases etc dangers of fluoride.

[makeithappen]

Great post universal_, as you can see from my avatar I have been breast fed and i am lucky that I have grown up and lost my corporative skin.

The pineal gland thing is very interesting to me. It keeps popping up in so many different posts.

Time to clean up your drinking water and do some research into how to grow and develop our pineal gland.

I have heard sun glazing is a good start. http://www.solarhealing.com/
has a lot of info to start off with.

[astro zombie]

Indeed, great post!

I agree. It is my opinion that entheogenic drugs have the potential to help re-establish that connection with the spirit gland, if ya know what i mean. My first experiances with them only confirmed and upheld my spiritual beliefs. Which is why they are demonized and made illegal obviously.

[pedsi]

Indeed, great post!

I agree. It is my opinion that entheogenic drugs have the potential to help re-establish that connection with the spirit gland, if ya know what i mean. My first experiances with them only confirmed and upheld my spiritual beliefs. Which is why they are demonized and made illegal obviously.

I agree with you there 100% astro zombie....good post universal :)

[universal_]

Great post universal_, as you can see from my avatar I have been breast fed and i am lucky that I have grown up and lost my corporative skin.

The pineal gland thing is very interesting to me. It keeps popping up in so many different posts.

Time to clean up your drinking water and do some research into how to grow and develop our pineal gland.

I have heard sun glazing is a good start. http://www.solarhealing.com/
has a lot of info to start off with.

Thanx...I shall look into the info on that site.

[beldazar]

I thiugh about this the other dsay, its all about blocking chakras :(

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49877

Its really not about giving people physical symptoms, its all to do with blocking the chakra's to prevent 'enlightenment'

this is the whole goal I feel. They block the :-

1. Root chakra by keeping us obsessed by sleazy sex.

2. Spleen, food additives, pesticides etc....

3. Solar plexus, by keeping us in a state of fear and negativity,

4. Heart, all the horrors being carried out makes it so hard to LOVE.

5. Throat, well we all know THAT one! The inability to speak out about anything sounding 'alternative' lol,

6. Third eye or brow chakra, it gets calcified by FLOURIDE!


Great post Universal, lots of depth there

[jojo]

brilliant OP! fully agree, and beldazar, i think your right there too!

thank you for sharing this info :)

[zennor]

Love this post :) well done for bringing to my attention, because I gave up using tapwater and flouride toothpaste or anything containing flouride around 6 months ago... and I must say I feel so much better for it.

I have clearer thoughts and not so many aches and pains. My dreams are much more vivid and I feel much more deeply connected spiritually. My emotions have reason now, rather than being the emotionless zombie I was before. Also my teeth are getting better, didn't know that was possible, but I have always suffered from bad teeth. Personally I think after doing research, I have flouridosis which has been rotting my teeth... Dentisits don't tell you about that now do they!

I think just for any reason in general... give up the flouride, it really is poison.

[supertzar]

Flouride calcifies the pineal gland. It turns it into a rock.

[tb303]

Since 1988, 68 million Americans have used Paxil, Prozac, and Zoloft (as of 2002) (http://www.neurosoup.com/zoloftusestats.htm)

NAILING DOWN PROZAC-FLUORINE CONNECTION (http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/fluoride/136264.html)

Prozac 'found in drinking water'
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3545684.stm)

[universal_]

Flouride calcifies the pineal gland. It turns it into a rock.


Yup!

[mushroombot]

Heres a few notes I made from a film I recently watched relating to the activation of the pineal gland. The film is called The ring of power 2.

I spotted this thread and thought I'd post them to see if anyone else had experience of this. There is a section near the end of the film where a technique for activating the pineal gland is described. I've been trying it out myself and would say that there is something in it.

These notes are only rough but they get the idea across:)

Pineal gland activation
The seat of the soul - gateway to higher realms.
The link between the physical and the spiritual realm.

The pineal gland is bio-luminescent and sensitive to light.

Awakening this gland can speed up our learning, improve our memory ability, enhance our intuition, wisdom and creativity, trigger our psychic healing abilities and experience bliss.

Fluoride accumulates in the gland causing it to be less effective.
Outdoor activities, eating less sugar, eliminating processed foods and fluoride can help to revitalise it.

Technique for re-activating the pineal gland should not be attempted by anyone who does not feel ready to explore higher realms of consciousness beyond the five senses.

To begin the exercise, it is necessary to find the correct vibrational tone of voice. hum the word love in a mid pitched voice. When you find the correct tone, it will feel right.

Sit comfortably with your eyes closed and scan your body for any signs of tension.

Take three long breaths through your nose and exhale the tension through your mouth.

Think about opening the third eye and entering a loving universe where all that exists is complete bliss. Take a breath through your nose and hold it for a few seconds. Just before you exhale, purse your lips and place your tongue between your teeth. Press down gently on your tongue with your teeth. As you slowly exhale through your pursed lips, loudly hum the word love and vibrate the V sound until all of the air is expelled from your lungs. Repeat this exercise 4 more times, taking a few moments rest between each repetition.

To awaken the pineal gland, this exercise should be repeated for 2 more days in a row at 24 hours apart. The entire exercise only has to be done once to be effective. It may take 6 weeks or more to experience your newly awakened abilities.

[bulgariaole]

great post! But i guess the big picture question is, why do the elite need us? They can wipe us off easily, and have the planet for themselves. They obviously need us, but why when they are trying to destroy our soul. If its purely for work, then why dont they clone a bunch beings that obey and listen exacly as they are told?

[universal_]

great post! But i guess the big picture question is, why do the elite need us? They can wipe us off easily, and have the planet for themselves. They obviously need us, but why when they are trying to destroy our soul. If its purely for work, then why dont they clone a bunch beings that obey and listen exacly as they are told?


Poisoning the body thus the soul is so much easier then cloning 'worker ants' no?

[bulgariaole]

i disagree, cloning beings who obey everything will be much easier. They claim they want no more than 500 million people left, and theyve been around for thousands of years, trying to compleatly take over. Theyve got the technology to do this fast, so its pretty obvious that reguler labor ist what they need us for. As Icke sais, they most probably need us four our emotions(fear).

[_invisibleplane_]

I feel this theory is correct and is important to get the info out there of taking better care of the pineal gland...interesting to take it a step further and look at every chakra....

one thing I'd like to see more info on is sun gazing and the effect it has on the pineal gland

[universal_]

i disagree, cloning beings who obey everything will be much easier. They claim they want no more than 500 million people left, and theyve been around for thousands of years, trying to compleatly take over. Theyve got the technology to do this fast, so its pretty obvious that reguler labor ist what they need us for. As Icke sais, they most probably need us four our emotions(fear).

I agree with the emotion of fear part.

[jayelowell]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2222/2853699350_413f6ddba0.jpg?v=0

[kingmob]

Poison is everywhere though. Fluoride is just a small percentage of the daily chemical intake, but it is consumed regularly by us. I was very close to throwing out the fluoride toothpaste, and this just gives me a kick in the ass do buy some natural powder.

I have realized that you can't combat all the poison simultaneously. You have to start with a few items first, and slowly work on eliminating more. As I am in US, I find myself in a chemical battle of survival. Almost every step that I make is guided by some chemical substances. From the daily hygiene routine, where you use shampoos, creams and deodorants(and make up for the opposite sex), and spread into every meal that i consume. My choice to eat healthier always falls a bit short as I realize that every item on the menu is chemically enhanced. Even buying organic is not always the solution, as even organic foods are enriched by pesticides for cultivation purposes.

# 1 on my battle list is processed sugar. I believe i have been covertly addicted for many years. For the most part of my life i have considered myself to have a non-addictive personality, but I'm in deep to sugar. No day goes by without it and more and more is on the daily menu.


How to combat this? Well, for me its incremental. Stop for a month. Allow remision. Curb the habit, and reduce the load.

I try to remember that no chemical poisoning can prevent me from achieving enlightenment, as i know of a true source that gives me the power for higher achievement.

[mushroombot]

Heres a few notes I made from a film I recently watched relating to the activation of the pineal gland. The film is called The ring of power 2.

I spotted this thread and thought I'd post them to see if anyone else had experience of this. There is a section near the end of the film where a technique for activating the pineal gland is described. I've been trying it out myself and would say that there is something in it.

These notes are only rough but they get the idea across:)

Pineal gland activation
The seat of the soul - gateway to higher realms.
The link between the physical and the spiritual realm.

The pineal gland is bio-luminescent and sensitive to light.

Awakening this gland can speed up our learning, improve our memory ability, enhance our intuition, wisdom and creativity, trigger our psychic healing abilities and experience bliss.

Fluoride accumulates in the gland causing it to be less effective.
Outdoor activities, eating less sugar, eliminating processed foods and fluoride can help to revitalise it.

Technique for re-activating the pineal gland should not be attempted by anyone who does not feel ready to explore higher realms of consciousness beyond the five senses.

To begin the exercise, it is necessary to find the correct vibrational tone of voice. hum the word love in a mid pitched voice. When you find the correct tone, it will feel right.

Sit comfortably with your eyes closed and scan your body for any signs of tension.

Take three long breaths through your nose and exhale the tension through your mouth.

Think about opening the third eye and entering a loving universe where all that exists is complete bliss. Take a breath through your nose and hold it for a few seconds. Just before you exhale, purse your lips and place your tongue between your teeth. Press down gently on your tongue with your teeth. As you slowly exhale through your pursed lips, loudly hum the word love and vibrate the V sound until all of the air is expelled from your lungs. Repeat this exercise 4 more times, taking a few moments rest between each repetition.

To awaken the pineal gland, this exercise should be repeated for 2 more days in a row at 24 hours apart. The entire exercise only has to be done once to be effective. It may take 6 weeks or more to experience your newly awakened abilities.

As a side note from last nights session - :
When I do the exercise I find that after making the V sound and the air has been exhaled, the effect is noticeable as a perceived cleansing/clarifying sensation coming from behind the centre of the forehead when the vibration tails off. Along with this is, a mild sensation of exhilaration and the beginnings of what I would describe as a physical bliss emanating from this area - behind mid forehead.

This is definitely something extra, compared with deep breathing meditation.

[krakhead]

Flouride calcifies the pineal gland. It turns it into a rock.

Where is there good information to be found about this? I've raised the idea with a few people but haven't found anything decent to back up my argument. Any help would be appreciated :)

[supertzar]

Hell, I don't know. Google it? ;)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=fluoride+calcification+pineal&spell=1

[lookfar]

Hell, I don't know. Google it? ;)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=fluoride+calcification+pineal&spell=1

Lol, he's SO lazy isn't he - just can't be bothered to look properly himself!!:rolleyes::D

[krakhead]

Lol, he's SO lazy isn't he - just can't be bothered to look properly himself!!:rolleyes::D

Don't pick on me! :( I was in work! Just thought someone would have to hand some studies proving Pineal calcification. Pardon me for asking!! ;)

:D

[lookfar]

Don't pick on me! :( I was in work! Just thought someone would have to hand some studies proving Pineal calcification. Pardon me for asking!! ;)

:D

Ah I wasn't picking on you honey (well maybe just a little bit:p), but you did sort of ask for it, lol:D

I'm sure there are plenty of studies out there.... that's what Google's for, hehe:p;)

:D

[magicmerlin]

This has been posted before, but the Vatacan has a huge pine cone in their grounds, which some speculate is symbolic of the pineal.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/egold/1690437932/

Isn't the all seeing eye concept making ref to this too, especially since the pineal is made of optical tissue.

[beldazar]

Hi Magicmerlin, a thread was made about the subject, I would say so....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24647&highlight=pineal+gland

[_invisibleplane_]

for those who want 'credible evidence' for non believers, here are some I have gathered

1) Luke, J. (1997). The Effect of Fluoride on the Physiology of the Pineal Gland. Ph.D Dissertation, School of Biological Sciences, University of Surrey, UK.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/luke-1997.html

Conclusion: In conclusion, the human pineal gland contains the highest concentration of fluoride in the body. Fluoride is associated with depressed pineal melatonin synthesis by prepubertal gerbils and an accelerated onset of sexual maturation in the female gerbil. The results strengthen the hypothesis that the pineal has a role in the timing of the onset of puberty.

2) Luke, J. (2001). Fluoride deposition in the aged human pineal gland. School of Biological Sciences, University of Surrey, Guildford, UK. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11275672
Conclusion: By old age, the pineal gland has readily accumulated F and its F/Ca ratio is higher than bone.

3) Connett, M. and Limeback, H. (2008). Fluoride and its effect on human intelligence. A systematic review. http://fluoridealert.org/connett.limeback.pdf

Conclusion: 18 ecological studies were identified that purport an association between high fluoride exposure and decreased human intelligence.

4) Neurath C. (2005). Tooth decay trends for 12 year olds in nonfluoridated and fluoridated countries. Fluoride 38:324-325.
http://www.whocollab.od.mah.se/euro.html

Conclusion: Graphs of tooth decay trends for 12 year olds in 24 countries, prepared using the most recent World Health Organization data, show that the decline in dental decay in recent decades has been comparable in 16 nonfluoridated countries and 8 fluoridated countries which met the inclusion criteria of having (i) a mean annual per capita income in the year 2000 of US$10,000 or more, (ii) a population in the year 2000 of greater than 3 million, and (iii) suitable WHO caries data available. The WHO data do not support fluoridation as being a reason for the decline in dental decay in 12 year olds that has been occurring in recent decades.

5) Spittle, B. (2008). Fluoride fatigue. Fluoride poisoning: is fluoride in your drinking water—and from other sources—making your sick? Dunedin, New Zealand: Paua Press; 2008. http://www.pauapress.com/fluoride/files/1418.pdf

Conclusion: In this book the focus has been on describing the clinical features of chronic fluoride toxicity as it affects people so that those in fluoridated areas experiencing ill health can consider whether or not it is possible that fluoride is contributing adversely to their health and whether they should have a trial of avoiding fluoride for a few weeks. A number of case histories involving similar symptoms have been presented that suggests there is such a thing as a chronic fluoride toxicity syndrome associated with the use of water fluoridated with about 0.7–1 ppm of fluoride and potentially lower.

6) Pizzo, G. (2007). Community water fluoridation and caries prevention: a critical review Clinical Oral Investigations 11(3):189-93
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t048360372371167/

Conclusion: In most European countries, where community water fluoridation has never been adopted, a substantial decline in caries prevalence has been reported in the last decades, with reductions in lifetime caries experience exceeding 75%. Several studies conducted in fluoridated and nonfluoridated communities suggested that this method of delivering fluoride may be unnecessary for caries prevention, particularly in the industrialized countries where the caries level has became low.

7) Wondwossen, F. (2004). The relationship between dental caries and dental fluorosis in areas with moderate- and high-fluoride drinking water in Ethiopia
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118776165/abstract

Conclusion: The present findings indicate that the second molar is the tooth most severely affected by dental fluorosis and dental caries. Dental caries increased with increasing severity of dental fluorosis, both in moderate- and high-fluoride areas. Thus, a positive relationship between dental caries and dental fluorosis was observed across various tooth types, in both areas.

8) Yoder, K. and Maupome, G. (2007). Knowledge and Use of Fluoride among Indiana Dental Professionals
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118502736/abstract

Conclusion: The majority of dental professionals surveyed were unaware of the current understanding of fluoride's predominant posteruptive mode of action through remineralization of incipient carious lesions. Additional research is indicated to assess fluoride knowledge and protocols of dental professionals nationwide. Educational efforts are needed to promote the appropriate use of fluoride.

9) Yiamouyiannis, J. (1993). Fluoride, the aging factor: how to recognize and avoid the devastating effects of fluoride. Delaware, Ohio: Health Action Press.


also there is a free e-book of The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson, this book and info truly opened my eyes to what water fluoridation has been all about and would recommend it to anyone who wants to know about political/industrial/military influences on its implementation into water, it's a good summary and provides very detailed and name naming info.

the poster astro zombie had it hosted and sent it to me personally...so if people want it for themselves and for distribution I'm sure either one of us would be willing to send it so just PM

[mushroombot]

for those who want 'credible evidence' for non believers, here are some I have gathered

1) Luke, J. (1997). The Effect of Fluoride on the Physiology of the Pineal Gland. Ph.D Dissertation, School of Biological Sciences, University of Surrey, UK.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/luke-1997.html

Conclusion: In conclusion, the human pineal gland contains the highest concentration of fluoride in the body. Fluoride is associated with depressed pineal melatonin synthesis by prepubertal gerbils and an accelerated onset of sexual maturation in the female gerbil. The results strengthen the hypothesis that the pineal has a role in the timing of the onset of puberty.

2) Luke, J. (2001). Fluoride deposition in the aged human pineal gland. School of Biological Sciences, University of Surrey, Guildford, UK. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11275672
Conclusion: By old age, the pineal gland has readily accumulated F and its F/Ca ratio is higher than bone.

3) Connett, M. and Limeback, H. (2008). Fluoride and its effect on human intelligence. A systematic review. http://fluoridealert.org/connett.limeback.pdf

Conclusion: 18 ecological studies were identified that purport an association between high fluoride exposure and decreased human intelligence.

4) Neurath C. (2005). Tooth decay trends for 12 year olds in nonfluoridated and fluoridated countries. Fluoride 38:324-325.
http://www.whocollab.od.mah.se/euro.html

Conclusion: Graphs of tooth decay trends for 12 year olds in 24 countries, prepared using the most recent World Health Organization data, show that the decline in dental decay in recent decades has been comparable in 16 nonfluoridated countries and 8 fluoridated countries which met the inclusion criteria of having (i) a mean annual per capita income in the year 2000 of US$10,000 or more, (ii) a population in the year 2000 of greater than 3 million, and (iii) suitable WHO caries data available. The WHO data do not support fluoridation as being a reason for the decline in dental decay in 12 year olds that has been occurring in recent decades.

5) Spittle, B. (2008). Fluoride fatigue. Fluoride poisoning: is fluoride in your drinking water—and from other sources—making your sick? Dunedin, New Zealand: Paua Press; 2008. http://www.pauapress.com/fluoride/files/1418.pdf

Conclusion: In this book the focus has been on describing the clinical features of chronic fluoride toxicity as it affects people so that those in fluoridated areas experiencing ill health can consider whether or not it is possible that fluoride is contributing adversely to their health and whether they should have a trial of avoiding fluoride for a few weeks. A number of case histories involving similar symptoms have been presented that suggests there is such a thing as a chronic fluoride toxicity syndrome associated with the use of water fluoridated with about 0.7–1 ppm of fluoride and potentially lower.

6) Pizzo, G. (2007). Community water fluoridation and caries prevention: a critical review Clinical Oral Investigations 11(3):189-93
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t048360372371167/

Conclusion: In most European countries, where community water fluoridation has never been adopted, a substantial decline in caries prevalence has been reported in the last decades, with reductions in lifetime caries experience exceeding 75%. Several studies conducted in fluoridated and nonfluoridated communities suggested that this method of delivering fluoride may be unnecessary for caries prevention, particularly in the industrialized countries where the caries level has became low.

7) Wondwossen, F. (2004). The relationship between dental caries and dental fluorosis in areas with moderate- and high-fluoride drinking water in Ethiopia
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118776165/abstract

Conclusion: The present findings indicate that the second molar is the tooth most severely affected by dental fluorosis and dental caries. Dental caries increased with increasing severity of dental fluorosis, both in moderate- and high-fluoride areas. Thus, a positive relationship between dental caries and dental fluorosis was observed across various tooth types, in both areas.

8) Yoder, K. and Maupome, G. (2007). Knowledge and Use of Fluoride among Indiana Dental Professionals
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118502736/abstract

Conclusion: The majority of dental professionals surveyed were unaware of the current understanding of fluoride's predominant posteruptive mode of action through remineralization of incipient carious lesions. Additional research is indicated to assess fluoride knowledge and protocols of dental professionals nationwide. Educational efforts are needed to promote the appropriate use of fluoride.

9) Yiamouyiannis, J. (1993). Fluoride, the aging factor: how to recognize and avoid the devastating effects of fluoride. Delaware, Ohio: Health Action Press.


also there is a free e-book of The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson, this book and info truly opened my eyes to what water fluoridation has been all about and would recommend it to anyone who wants to know about political/industrial/military influences on its implementation into water, it's a good summary and provides very detailed and name naming info.

the poster astro zombie had it hosted and sent it to me personally...so if people want it for themselves and for distribution I'm sure either one of us would be willing to send it so just PM

Good work there, thanks for the links. I've accepted the view of the effects of fluoride on the pineal gland, this reinforces it.

[michaos86]

For those in the UK that want to know the level of fluoride in your regions water.

http://www.dwi.gov.uk/consumer/concerns/fluoridemaps.pdf

[limelady]

I thiugh about this the other dsay, its all about blocking chakras :(

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49877

Its really not about giving people physical symptoms, its all to do with blocking the chakra's to prevent 'enlightenment'

this is the whole goal I feel. They block the :-

1. Root chakra by keeping us obsessed by sleazy sex.

2. Spleen, food additives, pesticides etc....

3. Solar plexus, by keeping us in a state of fear and negativity,

4. Heart, all the horrors being carried out makes it so hard to LOVE.

5. Throat, well we all know THAT one! The inability to speak out about anything sounding 'alternative' lol,

6. Third eye or brow chakra, it gets calcified by FLOURIDE!


Great post Universal, lots of depth there

This is a great thread OP! :)


beldazar, this is a great post, and pretty much the same take I haveon how the controllers are controlling us.

Fluoride is only one of the nasties we are having to face, and as you have pointed out, each of our chakras is getting its own hammering as its our connection to who we REALLY are they are determined to sever.

I may move this thread into one of the sub-forums shortly so we don't lose it in the noise of general. I'm not sure where to move it though. Medical/Health/healing, human consciousness, or the matrix nature of our reality?

Suggestions?

[universal_]

This is a great thread OP! :)


beldazar, this is a great post, and pretty much the same take I haveon how the controllers are controlling us.

Fluoride is only one of the nasties we are having to face, and as you have pointed out, each of our chakras is getting its own hammering as its our connection to who we REALLY are they are determined to sever.

I may move this thread into one of the sub-forums shortly so we don't lose it in the noise of general. I'm not sure where to move it though. Medical/Health/healing, human consciousness, or the matrix nature of our reality?

Suggestions?


Move it somewhere where theres enough traffic so it gets to a lot of people.

PS: lol what qualifies a thread to be a sticky?:cool:

[limelady]

Move it somewhere where theres enough traffic so it gets to a lot of people.

PS: lol what qualifies a thread to be a sticky?:cool:


This one qualifies. ;)

[universal_]

This one qualifies. ;)


Woo hoo!:)

[vladmir]

Flouride calcifies the pineal gland.
yes i read that too.
fuck, i mean nobody should have any doubt whatsoever that the illuminati are really waging war on us, to keep us vibrating in a lower state, and they are actually trying to block the evolution of our species, by destroying, or trying to destroy our higher energy centers which empower us.

[netta]

This was a really good thread. I just now got to read through it.


# 1 on my battle list is processed sugar.

Me too.

To begin the exercise, it is necessary to find the correct vibrational tone of voice.

I have a question for anyone who knows the answer. I just noticed a week ago that if I hum at a certain tone, my head makes this really weird noise. It sounds like a machine is in there! Not that I'm saying there is-that's not what I think, but it sounds like when the speakers in a car next to you are so loud that they make this strained vibrational sound. It's hard to explain.

It doesn't happen after I hum for about 30 seconds to a minute. It just happens when I begin humming.

I also get a vibratory feeling from it near the back of my head going forward.

Does anyone know what this means or have you had this experience?

[mushroombot]

This was a really good thread. I just now got to read through it.


Me too.



I have a question for anyone who knows the answer. I just noticed a week ago that if I hum at a certain tone, my head makes this really weird noise. It sounds like a machine is in there! Not that I'm saying there is-that's not what I think, but it sounds like when the speakers in a car next to you are so loud that they make this strained vibrational sound. It's hard to explain.

It doesn't happen after I hum for about 30 seconds to a minute. It just happens when I begin humming.

I also get a vibratory feeling from it near the back of my head going forward.

Does anyone know what this means or have you had this experience?

Well, I wouldn't say I know the answer but I suspect it has something to do with resonances being reached while you are changing pitch. Like when there's a loud stereo on with some deep bass music playing, the sound affects windows and doors which vibrate themselves if its loud enough.

I would experiment with this, try relaxation and meditation exercises first, then meditate whilst making the noise, changing the pitch until the vibration becomes more pleasing. Repeat it and take note of how you feel afterwards.

[beldazar]

This was a really good thread. I just now got to read through it.


Me too.



I have a question for anyone who knows the answer. I just noticed a week ago that if I hum at a certain tone, my head makes this really weird noise. It sounds like a machine is in there! Not that I'm saying there is-that's not what I think, but it sounds like when the speakers in a car next to you are so loud that they make this strained vibrational sound. It's hard to explain.

It doesn't happen after I hum for about 30 seconds to a minute. It just happens when I begin humming.

I also get a vibratory feeling from it near the back of my head going forward.

Does anyone know what this means or have you had this experience?


I also believe that certain meditation where you are told to chant OOOMMMM
keeps you locked into the base chakra

[mushroombot]

I also believe that certain meditation where you are told to chant OOOMMMM
keeps you locked into the base chakra

I've not done any specific work with chakras as I'm quite new to the meditation side of things. Would you say it is specifically this om sound that keeps this lock or can it happen with other vibratory sounds. I suspect it's about finding the right pitch. When I've tried it, I can feel it when I've reached the right pitch. I also believe that the intention has got something to do with it too.

[beldazar]

I've not done any specific work with chakras as I'm quite new to the meditation side of things. Would you say it is specifically this om sound that keeps this lock or can it happen with other vibratory sounds. I suspect it's about finding the right pitch. When I've tried it, I can feel it when I've reached the right pitch. I also believe that the intention has got something to do with it too.


dunno Mushroombot but I DO know that my house is so full of humming and buzzing sounds, cant be good.....

When the electric went for a few hours there was so much peace!

I bet this could link into the frequency thread or solfeggio scale somehow....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45571

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20714

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26839&highlight=432hz

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20512&highlight=528hz

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26834&highlight=528hz

[pinkfreud]

sorry to take away from the thread title but the word 'om' denotes the source, or the epicentre of all that lives and is meant to harmonise all chakras. when you practice yoga (specifically pranayama or deep breathing exercises) and chant this word from within you, everyday- you will feel a vibration like effect, or a gentle, calming buzz between your eyebrows, or the spot where your third eye is supposed to be.

the chanting of the word om has unfortunately been misused in the name of religion- namely hinduism, to signify deities and has also been used in religiois hymns. but when you do the deep breathing exercises as stated above, you will realise such meditation is not meant to tap the power of any one chakra, but all of them.

[beldazar]

Hi Pink freud, this article may show you what I mean, I didnt read it through, but if I remember it was Bronte who mentioned it

http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com/where-have-all-the-flower-children-gone/


Just read it, no it doesnt, but its along the same lines as you have mentioned

I dont think you have taken the thread off track, it does kinda fit here ;)

[pinkfreud]

Hi Pink freud, this article may show you what I mean, I didnt read it through, but if I remember it was Bronte who mentioned it

http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com/where-have-all-the-flower-children-gone/


oh yeah i'm reading it now.. it's about maharishi mahesh yogi. he was a sly one, knew how to attract the crowds and give them false hope.. that's what i mean by saying such holistic living can be misused. no wonder the beatles came to their senses later and left that shit behind :rolleyes:

these bits from the write up especially caught my eye:

But when the TM-Siddhis started, things got even more religious. We were instructed to read prayers to the gods after every meditation and to listen to audiotapes of chants to Hindu deities as we fell asleep at night. Maharishi reassured us: the gods are not actual personal entities but “impulses of creative intelligence” that exist within ourselves. The fact that Hinduism anthropomorphizes deities just signals immature consciousness, he said, and that, of course, was something the movement was far too sophisticated to be guilty of...


The changes in the movement were so gradual that I hardly blinked an eye the day I got my own advanced technique, which consisted of adding the Sanskrit word “namah” to my original mantra. I didn’t quite understand, as I was told the mantras were meaningless sounds that have a beneficial effect on the nervous system. I didn’t know any translation for my mantra “Eima,” but I did know, from the puja, what “namah” meant in English. It means, “I bow down.” Who was I bowing down to, I wondered? Well, it must be a god. “Eima” must be a name for her, and she must be my escort on the path to higher consciousness. Another hidden teaching, obvious only to an advanced spiritual aspirant. I felt privileged and superior to be let in on the secret.

One insider, a friend of mine who was exceptionally devoted to Maharishi and who worked with TM psychologists as their research assistant, became shaken and left the movement when she found the scientists she worked with doctoring test results to make them better conform to Maharishi’s desired outcomes.






shame.


even osho was notorious for this. 'om' in itself is literally infinite consciousness; but those chants slowly hypnotise people into 'bowing down' to a make believe god, subconsciously...

thanks for that link B ;) good reading, quiteeeee long but i'll finish it before hitting the sack :D

[beldazar]

Great! Thanks for clearing that up.

You have also cleared up something else....the amount of times Ive noticed people putting namaste at the end of their post. It really bugs me. I googled it and it means, "I bow down" as Bronte says, "bow down to what? I think the "ste" means 'to you' but all the same....

[pinkfreud]

ok just read that article.. got distracted for a while but hey :D

bronte is pretty objective, i understand that what she's saying is meditation per se is not harmful- but doing it in the name of religion- chanting powerful mantras et al and submitting your own power to another literally sucks the life out of you and makes you a robot. that's what's happened to all of us.

what i did notice though, is that there's one stanza where she's against ayurveda. i'm guessing the 'treatment' for her friend at TM was pure bs, otherwise i'm sure it would've worked; if it didn't, maharishi is responsible for a preventable death that COULD have been stopped by modern meds.

like one poster very aptly said: "TM simply went to far , and went from an enlightened simple practice to a servant of something darker. Moderation, in all things, is the path of the enlightened, at least as far as I am concerned."

which i think is the case for all taking the spiritual path; if one extreme is non-belief, the other is religious brainwashing. the latter was what maharishi did- very covertly. this form of 'spirituality' is the worst in my eyes- because you don't even realise when you've crossed the line between spirituality and religion.

i think this article is for keeps. already done bookmarked it.



oh and about namaste... i always believed it's a common greeting meant to signify respect (that's where bow to you would come in) but now that you mentioned it, i wouldn't be surprised if it has a deeper meaning.

also notice how the chinese bow to each other upon meeting; also, sumo wrestlers bowing to each other before a match.

[beldazar]

there seems to be so many twists and turns on this path, traps around every corner.

but hey, its fun sometimes......

[netta]

Well I experimented last night and realized a couple more things. First of all I felt really good afterwords (after humming). I felt really relaxed. Second of all it felt like my stomach area was beating-like it had it's own heart.

And you know where the pineal gland is supposed to be? That is the area I am feeling the vibrations come from. That's why I brought up this post in the first place. Because I thought my pineal gland might have had something to do with it.

I will keep practicing and see what happens.

Oh yes-and I did work on my breathing as well.

[musti]

great post! But i guess the big picture question is, why do the elite need us? They can wipe us off easily, and have the planet for themselves. They obviously need us, but why when they are trying to destroy our soul. If its purely for work, then why dont they clone a bunch beings that obey and listen exacly as they are told?

they need us for polarization. without us their progress in the negative path would be either much slower (enslaving each other) or non existent. similarly for positive path this world offers the possibility of huge leap since wars, crime, manipulation, etc. provides possibilities to help others.

[musti]

Well I experimented last night and realized a couple more things. First of all I felt really good afterwords (after humming). I felt really relaxed. Second of all it felt like my stomach area was beating-like it had it's own heart.

And you know where the pineal gland is supposed to be? That is the area I am feeling the vibrations come from. That's why I brought up this post in the first place. Because I thought my pineal gland might have had something to do with it.

I will keep practicing and see what happens.

Oh yes-and I did work on my breathing as well.

hi netta,

i think i know what you are talking about. i have a "natural" tone that i discovered years ago. when i sang or had a melody in mind i realized that i tend to have that pitch as the centre. it is B (or H in German) for me. when i hum on that certain pitch it resonates a lot. one way of finding which pitch you resonate most with is to start from a low pitch (lowest G or Ab you can sing) and go up by semitone: G-Ab-A-Bb-B-C-C#-D-D#-E-F-F#-G. you will feel which pitch you resonate with most. i'm not sure if this has to do with just your vocal chords, or chakras, or aura or what but i think you will see that there is a certain pitch that is more natural to you (and maybe to character or even your spiritual state?)

about the stomach area, that corresponds to the 3rd chakra. you may be opening a chakra that is plugged. i don't know that much about chakras but your humming might be helping regulating your chakras...

[netta]

Hey musti,

Yeah that is my natural tone. I went and read up about a blocked third chakra and that doesn't sound like me at all. If anything I would say it's being activated (like you said). What's especially weird is that I have been really attracted to the colors of gold and yellow this year. But right now I really like yellow. That's just interesting since those are the colors associated with the third chakra.

Either way I don't know what it is.

[simplify]

Great! Thanks for clearing that up.

You have also cleared up something else....the amount of times Ive noticed people putting namaste at the end of their post. It really bugs me. I googled it and it means, "I bow down" as Bronte says, "bow down to what? I think the "ste" means 'to you' but all the same....

beldazar: I believe Namaste means: The Light in Me honours the Light in You! It is done as an acknowledgment:) of the light within each of us.

[simplify]

Back on track, does anyone know if there is a way to clear the calcification off the pineal gland:confused: I don't mean through meditation or visualization.

[vladmir]

Second of all it felt like my stomach area was beating-like it had it's own heart.
could you make sure if it was your stomach or actually the area known as the Solar Plexus?
Because a kind of mild tremble/throbbing is felt by me during my meditation,
and its coming from the Solar plexus area.

[netta]

could you make sure if it was your stomach or actually the area known as the Solar Plexus?
Because a kind of mild tremble/throbbing is felt by me during my meditation,
and its coming from the Solar plexus area.

Yes I'm positive it is the solar plexus. I was trying to describe the general area. Actually it would be more accurate to say that the beating comes from above my belly button. The beat (or throbbing as you call it) is very strong. It's almost so strong that it makes me feel weird. It really does feel like a second heart beating.

I don't know what it means. Do you have an idea? Why would that specific chakra be activated so strongly? But I also have those sounds in my head during the humming, the energy waves that I have had going through my body for the past couples of years, among other things.

[vladmir]

But I also have those sounds in my head during the humming, the energy waves that I have had going through my body for the past couples of years, among other things.
I dont know if the humming you mention is the same thing that im aware of.
I discovered 4 or 5 years ago,
a humming sound was resonating in my head, pretty much non-stop.
It was and is, a very high pitch buzz,
kinda like a a lot of tiny bees buzzing,
and its like an ambient sound.
I can focus on it, and be aware of it even right now as i type this.
I think this sound is probably just the sound of blood being rushed thru the tiny veins and arteries? lol, thats what i tell myself anyway, and i put the sound on 'ignore'.
Once you are aware of it, it can get quite annoying as its always there!
And you cant stop it anyway, so i regard it as a curiosity, and dont focus on it.
If i become self-conscious of it, it will become a problem.

Similarly, the mild throbbing that i feel, kinda like a pulse 2 or 3 times rapidly in succession in my solar plexus, i just acknowledge it, but i dont think about it. Or worry about it.
That way, i dont interfere in a process that i dont need to be involved in.
All i do is the meditation, and the way my physical body responds, its best to leave it alone, and let it do its thing.

I know, that if one worries about these phenomena, that worrying actually interferes with its smooth functioning.
Just like i dont need to be aware of my blood circulation, or my digestion,
its just happens on its own, and im happy that it does.
I just eat the food!
I just let it go, my consciousness isint needed in there.

Branches and leaves need the sunlight.
But roots need darkness.
You cant uproot a tree and place the roots in the sunshine and expect them to function.
So, the advice i give myself is,
as long as it feels good, and right, and the effects of the practice are wellbeing and joy, i should continue.

As for the reason that i give myself as to why this is happening?
Well there is something known as the Fibonacci sequence of numbers.
The Fibonacci numbers are 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, and so on.
You just have add the last two to get the next in line.
This sequence occurs in all of nature, and books have been written about it, and its explained beautifully.
A couple of them that i have loved are :
The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life Book - Volume I
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8952063/The-Ancients-Secret-of-the-Flower-of-Life-Volume-1-by-Drunvalo-Melchizedek
and
The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life Book - Volume 2
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8952112/Ancients-Secret-of-Flower-of-Life-by-Drunvalo-Melchizedek-Volllume-2

Why have a highlighted the number 13?
Now there is something known as the Schumann Resonance (SR).
It refers to the frequency that the entire Earth’s magnetosphere resonates at.
basically, till the late 80's, this frequency was resonating and measured at 7.83 Hertz.
But, it seems that from the mid nineties this frequency has been gradually rising.
And it seems that researchers have indicated that the frequency will rise all the way till 13 Hertz in 2012.

So thats what i tell myself. ;)
My reasoning (well one of them, i am aware of many other reasons) is that since the Earth itself is raising its vibrations in a very real sense,
the living beings on the surface are going to pick up on the change as well, and align with it, and try to assimilate and adjust to the higher frequencies as they start manifesting.
And so the throbbings are simply 'adjustments' made my my body to cope with them, and its happening on a level that im as yet unconscious of.

[beldazar]

beldazar: I believe Namaste means: The Light in Me honours the Light in You! It is done as an acknowledgment:) of the light within each of us.

Try googling :)


there seems several interpretations, most common, 'I bow down'

[vladmir]

there seems several interpretations, most common, 'I bow down'
i can clear that up for you, we say it here all the time. :D

Its a form of greeting, like hello.
Most indians understand that Namaste means i bow to the divine in you.
Of course, not everyone is consciously meaning that when he says 'Namaste'.
Nevertheless, thats what it means.
Im no linguistics expert, i just live here. ;)

[beldazar]

thanks Vladmir, I would rather not bow down to anyone, not even me, but over here we say 'hello', wonder what THAT really means.....:eek::cool:

[vladmir]

... but over here we say 'hello', wonder what THAT really means.....:eek::cool:
i know, i was thinking about this just the other day,
what is the hell doing in hello?!
Suddenly it dosent feel like a warm friendly way to greet one another! :eek:

[limelady]

i know, i was thinking about this just the other day,
what is the hell doing in hello?!
Suddenly it dosent feel like a warm friendly way to greet one another! :eek:

O-hell-o-dear.....no it doesn't! :eek:

[endlessvista]

......
Does the pineal gland regulate sleep/wake? yes
Does the pineal gland visualize? yes
Does fluoride build up in the pineal gland? yes.

and than theres the apathy, slightly lowered IQ, cancers , bone diseases etc dangers of fluoride.


Interesting post and I think you are on to something here.

[wyndham]

Interesting.

"My view is that this gland is the principle seat of the soul, and the place in which all our thoughts are formed." -Descartes, Treatise of Man

"...the soul is really joined to the whole body...the part of the body in which the soul directly exercises its functions is not the heart at all, or the whole of the brain. It is rather the innermost part of the brain, which is a certain very small gland..." -Descartes, Passions of the Soul

Descartes, murdered in Sweden?

"In 1980, by complete chance, the prove was found. The German scientific Eike Pies, reviewing letters from his ancestor Willem Piso at Leyden University (Nederlands), saw a letter sent to him by Johann van Wullen, personal doctor of Queen Kristina and witness of Descartes' agony. In that letter, the details on the symptoms are described day by day: weakening, vomits, diarrhoea, dizziness, skin's pigmentation, cutaneous damages, entheritis... symptoms commonly found in an Arsenic intoxication..." -strabo

[beldazar]

i know, i was thinking about this just the other day,
what is the hell doing in hello?!
Suddenly it dosent feel like a warm friendly way to greet one another! :eek:

Im sure I heard somewhere that the scots dont say it. Is this true? :confused:

[musti]

i can clear that up for you, we say it here all the time. :D

Its a form of greeting, like hello.
Most indians understand that Namaste means i bow to the divine in you.
Of course, not everyone is consciously meaning that when he says 'Namaste'.
Nevertheless, thats what it means.
Im no linguistics expert, i just live here. ;)

i always thought that means "the god in me greets the god in you" which is kind of what you are saying vlad :)

[lupa]

Love this post :) well done for bringing to my attention, because I gave up using tapwater and flouride toothpaste or anything containing flouride around 6 months ago... and I must say I feel so much better for it.

I have clearer thoughts and not so many aches and pains. My dreams are much more vivid and I feel much more deeply connected spiritually. My emotions have reason now, rather than being the emotionless zombie I was before. Also my teeth are getting better, didn't know that was possible, but I have always suffered from bad teeth. Personally I think after doing research, I have flouridosis which has been rotting my teeth... Dentisits don't tell you about that now do they!

I think just for any reason in general... give up the flouride, it really is poison.

can you tell me what toothpaste do you use or a product to clean teeth that does'nt contain flouride? zennor. i drink so much water sometimes around 5ltrs a day. what bottled water is free of flouride?

[academylin]

Yes I'm positive it is the solar plexus. I was trying to describe the general area. Actually it would be more accurate to say that the beating comes from above my belly button. The beat (or throbbing as you call it) is very strong. It's almost so strong that it makes me feel weird. It really does feel like a second heart beating.

I don't know what it means. Do you have an idea? Why would that specific chakra be activated so strongly? But I also have those sounds in my head during the humming, the energy waves that I have had going through my body for the past couples of years, among other things.

When my channels are open for a psychic marathon attack on various troubles and worries which are facing other people, this exact area goes double time and my face neck and chest burn..... Thats when I know I'm on a roll..... unlike now!

I'll shut up!!!!

And just to piss Beldazarre off, I'll say Namaste as I go! x

[academylin]

Also "om" as was mentioned, wouldn't ground you at or in the root chakra....
The OM sound is tuned for the heart or the crown, which I suppose is just as bad if your theorising works, however there are alternative mantras, and you also DON'T HAVE TO CHANT!!!


I visualise, and I was checking out the akashic records today.

[limelady]

Also "om" as was mentioned, wouldn't ground you at or in the root chakra....
The OM sound is tuned for the heart or the crown, which I suppose is just as bad if your theorising works, however there are alternative mantras, and you also DON'T HAVE TO CHANT!!!


I visualise, and I was checking out the akashic records today.

Cool! Was there anything there of interest about fluoride toxicity in connection with the functioning of the pineal gland? :D

[pinkfreud]

Also "om" as was mentioned, wouldn't ground you at or in the root chakra....
The OM sound is tuned for the heart or the crown, which I suppose is just as bad if your theorising works, however there are alternative mantras, and you also DON'T HAVE TO CHANT!!!


I visualise, and I was checking out the akashic records today.

i agree. the chanting of 'om' is not meant for harnessing energy from the root chakra; it just seeks to harmonise all the chakras- particularly the crown chakra, so you're spot on there.

about the akashic records- my knowledge about them is zilch :o but i remember linda goodman being a staunch supporter of its existence; she's mentioned them several times in her books.

[beldazar]

When my channels are open for a psychic marathon attack on various troubles and worries which are facing other people, this exact area goes double time and my face neck and chest burn..... Thats when I know I'm on a roll..... unlike now!

I'll shut up!!!!

And just to piss Beldazarre off, I'll say Namaste as I go! x


Oi cheeky! lol



BTW, back to om....I remembered where I heard something, its on The Arrivals vids, the one with Madonna dressed as a black widow (you can tell I dont watch telly much, lol)
she was humming om and I cant remember what they said about it, something about paying alliegance to.......Lucifer!
I was going to post the vid but its been taken off!

Luckily I burnt it, so academylin, at least you can see what I mean cos other ppl might think Im making it up!!!

And also on David Ickes Freedom Road vid, om is linked to .........guess what?

THE SUN!!! As in Sol-Om- On (who didnt exist apparently..........)

[academylin]

You know what... I've been thinking about this....and yeah, before you ask, it DID hurt!

Anyway, for 33 years (if I'm lying, 36 if I'm not) I have drunk water from lots of taps all over the country. And I'm a maniac when it comes to brushing my teeth with colgate, aquafresh, superdooper pound shop special, whatever they're called, but they are/ were all LOADED with flouride, and............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...........................................I can see dead people!

Not in a scary (woooo ooo oooo) way, but as and when I request them, and I mean REALLY!

That means my third eye is functioning lovely, thanks very much!!

It also means that the training, understanding and development you can achieve, IS acheivable.


It also means that, although you are thinking that you are "thinking outside the box........."

You aren't!

Old school Masters favourite saying......"must try harder"
G'Bless
Lynne

[supertzar]

There is no way for you to know if your powers would be greater had you never ingested flouride though, is there?

[hellosineight]

smoke dmt. It turns hardened pipe resin into a soft mush. If it is then absorbed specifically by our brains across the blood brain barrier as Rick Strassman M.D. states, then it would have somewhat the same effects i believe.

[des1000]

My mates mother is a Midwife working for the NHS up here in the north west, we dont have fluoride in the water, so as of last week she has been told to actively tell new parent to give the younger babies fluoride containing toothpaste, knowing full well that the child will swallow it :eek:

[biblegirl]

My mates mother is a Midwife working for the NHS up here in the north west, we dont have fluoride in the water, so as of last week she has been told to actively tell new parent to give the younger babies fluoride containing toothpaste, knowing full well that the child will swallow it :eek:

also around here mothers are told to begin giving their babies fluoride tablets as soon as the baby is 4 months old, to help them develop strong teeth

[jason2407]

Hey guys, great thread.

I found this info that some guy posted online back in 2001 - more research needed but it sounds promising.....:)

"If you need to decalcify your pineal gland. Heres what you do.

Eat raw uncooked foods (High in tryptophan).

Lock yourself in a darkroom for at least a month (Light isolation). This will stimulate the realease of massive amounts of melatonine.

Lots of tryptophan and melatonine will decalcify your pineal gland and it will secrete significant amounts of DMT (dimethyltryptamine), 5-Meo-DMT, and Pinoline (an MAO inhibitor)"

I hope thats of some use.

Peace Always

[motleyhoo]

Poison is everywhere though. Fluoride is just a small percentage of the daily chemical intake, but it is consumed regularly by us. I was very close to throwing out the fluoride toothpaste, and this just gives me a kick in the ass do buy some natural powder.

I have realized that you can't combat all the poison simultaneously. You have to start with a few items first, and slowly work on eliminating more. As I am in US, I find myself in a chemical battle of survival. Almost every step that I make is guided by some chemical substances. From the daily hygiene routine, where you use shampoos, creams and deodorants(and make up for the opposite sex), and spread into every meal that i consume. My choice to eat healthier always falls a bit short as I realize that every item on the menu is chemically enhanced. Even buying organic is not always the solution, as even organic foods are enriched by pesticides for cultivation purposes.

# 1 on my battle list is processed sugar. I believe i have been covertly addicted for many years. For the most part of my life i have considered myself to have a non-addictive personality, but I'm in deep to sugar. No day goes by without it and more and more is on the daily menu.


How to combat this? Well, for me its incremental. Stop for a month. Allow remision. Curb the habit, and reduce the load.

I try to remember that no chemical poisoning can prevent me from achieving enlightenment, as i know of a true source that gives me the power for higher achievement.

If you live in the US, shop at Whole Foods or the like. If you stick to the basics, produce, juice, locally raised organic meats, and stay away from the boutique/specialty products, your food bill will not be any higher. Swap out all your toxic home cleaning products for natural, like Method products. Replace your hygeine products with natural products. Purify your water (I am buying a home distiller ($129) this week), and install a filter on your shower. Meditate, do yoga, Tai Chi, or whatever form of grounding flips your wig. It seems like a lot of work/changes at first, but after a few months it will be second nature.

[beldazar]

Hey guys, great thread.

I found this info that some guy posted online back in 2001 - more research needed but it sounds promising.....:)

"If you need to decalcify your pineal gland. Heres what you do.

Eat raw uncooked foods (High in tryptophan).

Lock yourself in a darkroom for at least a month (Light isolation). This will stimulate the realease of massive amounts of melatonine.

Lots of tryptophan and melatonine will decalcify your pineal gland and it will secrete significant amounts of DMT (dimethyltryptamine), 5-Meo-DMT, and Pinoline (an MAO inhibitor)"

I hope thats of some use.

Peace Always


Oh god! how I wish I could lock myself up in a dark room for a month!


Sorry, in a mood :(

Some great advice there anyway, thankyou. I really like the idea of raw foods...I need to get rid of this sweet habit though, just eaten a large pack of fruit pastilles :o

[talonfury]

Hey guys, great thread.

I found this info that some guy posted online back in 2001 - more research needed but it sounds promising.....:)

"If you need to decalcify your pineal gland. Heres what you do.

Eat raw uncooked foods (High in tryptophan).

Lock yourself in a darkroom for at least a month (Light isolation). This will stimulate the realease of massive amounts of melatonine.

Lots of tryptophan and melatonine will decalcify your pineal gland and it will secrete significant amounts of DMT (dimethyltryptamine), 5-Meo-DMT, and Pinoline (an MAO inhibitor)"

I hope thats of some use.

Peace Always

Tryptophan

Tryptophan is one of the 10 essential amino acids. It is well known for its ability to raise serotonin levels. Indications that one may need more tryptophan-rich foods in the diet include depression, anxiety, irritability, inability to concentrate, weight gain, carbohydrate cravings, or insomnia.

Common food sources of tryptophan are bananas, avocados, cacao, cashews, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, legumes, red meat, turkey, and dairy products. However, since this delicate amino acid is denatured by heat (as in cooking), these foods would have to be eaten in their raw uncooked state to obtain the maximum benefit. As it is not advisable to consume raw meat or unpasteurized dairy products, the best dietary sources of tryptophan are from raw fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds, which are safe to eat in abundance in their natural state. The great benefit of obtaining tryptophan from these sources is that they also contain the other nutrients that are essential for the metabolization of tryptophan. These include vitamin B6, vitamin C, folic acid, and magnesium.

Best to you all :-)

[beldazar]

Thankyou Talonfury :)

[tothestars]

One thing i dont understand is.
Norway dont have fluoride added into their drinking water and they are imo the most sleepy, mindcontrolled and brainwashed people in the world. Howcome?

[hurr]

That's because Norwegians are well off. Money corrupts. The last few years were difficult to me. Then I visited illuminatimatrix site (you can find it easily) and it opened my third eye in seconds (literally!), although now I find that it has many errors.

[hagbard_celine]

I've just read in an old book from 1974 by Lyall Watson, The Romeo Error, that fluoride in toothpaste and drinking water can cause the pineal gland to calcify. So they've known about this for a long time!:eek::(

[gaias child]

Fluoride was given to the Jews by the Nazis to keep them pacified ever wondered why so many walked to there deaths without a fight. There are dozens of links on google on this.

Fluoride is also a main ingredient in anti depressants, and I found a write up a while a go but can't locate it now saying that fluoride was added to anti depressants and toothpastes when members of I G Farben (German Pharmaceuticals who sold the gases that killed the jews to the Nazis)went to America and started Pharmaceutical companies

[gaias child]

Fluoride was given to the Jews by the Nazis to keep them pacified ever wondered why so many walked to their deaths without a fight. There are dozens of links on google on this.

Fluoride is also a main ingredient in anti depressants, and I found a write up a while a go but can't locate it now saying that fluoride was added to anti depressants and toothpastes when members of I G Farben (German Pharmaceuticals who sold the gases that killed the jews to the Nazis)went to America and started Pharmaceutical companies

[biblegirl]

Fluoride was given to the Jews by the Nazis to keep them pacified ever wondered why so many walked to there deaths without a fight. There are dozens of links on google on this.

Fluoride is also a main ingredient in anti depressants, and I found a write up a while a go but can't locate it now saying that fluoride was added to anti depressants and toothpastes...

this is very interesting, I've wondered about anti depressants and similar psychotic drugs, and if they are being prescribed to tamper with the pineal gland...like in cases of schizophrenia or epilepsy or other conditions that may have interdimensional involvement...what if the drugs like this "work" because they close off the person's senses to that dimension through damage of the pineal gland?? sorry i kind of rambled there, not sure if my post made any sense!

hagbard you're right, it seems like fluoride effects have kind of been pushed as "brand new information" that the pharmecutical companies are just in ignorance of :rolleyes:, just more evidence that the fluoride contamination is intentional

[beldazar]

I've just read in an old book from 1974 by Lyall Watson, The Romeo Error, that fluoride in toothpaste and drinking water can cause the pineal gland to calcify. So they've known about this for a long time!:eek::(

Hey Ive got that book! Havent read it for a while...I really dont know how I managed to completely by-pass that bit :o I could have dumped the flouride years ago...
I also have another book of his, 'Supernature, again, Ive not read it for a while, Ive got quite a lot to get through ;)

Hey Biblegirl! That makes a lot of sense actually! Especially for schizophrenia, I believe they can tap into different dimensions, in fact, the tribal people consider them very special people as they are in contact with the spirits

[haukipesukone]

Pah, grumble gumble...
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64385

[hagbard_celine]

Hey Ive got that book! Havent read it for a while...I really dont know how I managed to completely by-pass that bit :o I could have dumped the flouride years ago...
I also have another book of his, 'Supernature, again, Ive not read it for a while, Ive got quite a lot to get through ;)



Me too.:o

There are some brilliant books that were written a long time ago that contain information that seems to be absent from even the unerground knowlege stream. Supernature is really great!

At Ian Crane's recent lecture in London, (See: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63238 he tells us how all American school books writen before 1985 are being burned! the reason?... Well they say it’s because the glue in the binding is toxic!:D:rolleyes: Sounds like a convenient use of the Nanny-State to me. The real reason could be because they contain uncensored information from a time before education was so tightly controlled

[kassondra8]

What are entheogenic drugs?? I want some. :)

I have tried to remove flouride from my diet but have found it very difficult. I thought I should warn everyone about filtered water from refrigerators, in case anyone else was unaware like myself. I have a Frigidaire and thought the filter was removing flouride, but it does not. According to the website they purposely leave it in for it's supposed "beneficial qualities." I'm sure this extends to the majority of name brand refrigerators. Does anyone know of any water filters that do remove flouride?

[rockinrobinsuk]

Anglian water in England dont put fluoride in the water i have friends who work for them.:)

[rockinrobinsuk]

Check out David Wilcock enigma 2012 on youtube 10 clips 10mins each very intresting claims the best stuff i have seen for a while.

[hagbard_celine]

What are entheogenic drugs?? I want some. :)



"Entheogenics" is less perjorative name for the hallucinogens or psychedelics. It's a word that literally means: "a drug which creates the God inside you".

[_invisibleplane_]

hello

important subject

i found this in my archives and just wanted to share, particularly the last part.

"Melanin is excreted for the Pineal Gland (approximately the size of a pea, hence the term "Pea Brain"), in two forms during the hours of 11pm - 7am, Melatonin (mellow) is produced and between the hours of 7am - 11pm, Seratonin (serious) is produced in the hue-man body. Originally, the Pineal Gland was the size of a quarter and we (hue-mans) were able to breath (meaning we used to bring pRAna) directly, into the top of the our heads; illuminating the "Master Gland". However, scientific research reveals that most white people are unable to produce much Melatonin and Seratonin because their Pineal Glands are often calcified and nonfunctioning by the age of (7) seven. Pineal Gland calcification rates among Africans is 5-15%; Asians - 15-25%; Europeans -60-80%! There are several healing sounds that can de-calcify the Pineal Gland. They are the sounds of healing, 'MAY', 'THOH', 'AYIN', 'I', 'E'."

i plan to experiment with these healing sounds, if anyone has anything to offer in terms of using sound frequencies to decalcify the pineal gland, please say so, this could be the key to countering fluoridation

interesting that two of the words are may and ayin...combined =mayan

[biblegirl]

hello

important subject

i found this in my archives and just wanted to share, particularly the last part.

"Melanin is excreted for the Pineal Gland (approximately the size of a pea, hence the term "Pea Brain"), in two forms during the hours of 11pm - 7am, Melatonin (mellow) is produced and between the hours of 7am - 11pm, Seratonin (serious) is produced in the hue-man body. Originally, the Pineal Gland was the size of a quarter and we (hue-mans) were able to breath (meaning we used to bring pRAna) directly, into the top of the our heads; illuminating the "Master Gland". However, scientific research reveals that most white people are unable to produce much Melatonin and Seratonin because their Pineal Glands are often calcified and nonfunctioning by the age of (7) seven. Pineal Gland calcification rates among Africans is 5-15%; Asians - 15-25%; Europeans -60-80%! There are several healing sounds that can de-calcify the Pineal Gland. They are the sounds of healing, 'MAY', 'THOH', 'AYIN', 'I', 'E'."

i plan to experiment with these healing sounds, if anyone has anything to offer in terms of using sound frequencies to decalcify the pineal gland, please say so, this could be the key to countering fluoridation

interesting that two of the words are may and ayin...combined =mayan

wow invisibleplane, i really enjoyed this post, the idea is intriguing! please keep us updated :)

[monkfish]

Tamarind paste is supposidly good for opening the pineal gland,you can get it from asian food stores

[thoughtonfire]

Mandalas Stimulate the Pineal Gland. Looking at a Sacred Image is like doing Mental Push Ups. Check some out for yourself.

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:lUPq7D_OD7hO2M:http://higherbalance.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/mandala.jpg

http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:BoEZl6sT8cdEwM:http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/images/picture%252012.gif

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:yC8kgdW6Cv8y6M:http://www.mexicanbeautygiftshop.com/images/Aztec-Calendar.gif

[robindean]

I have tried to remove flouride from my diet but have found it very difficult. I thought I should warn everyone about filtered water from refrigerators, in case anyone else was unaware like myself. I have a Frigidaire and thought the filter was removing flouride, but it does not. According to the website they purposely leave it in for it's supposed "beneficial qualities." I'm sure this extends to the majority of name brand refrigerators. Does anyone know of any water filters that do remove flouride?

These 2 links might help:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-flouride-water-filters.htm

http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistryhowtoguide/a/removefluoride.htm

[delamo1999]

hello

important subject

i found this in my archives and just wanted to share, particularly the last part.

"Melanin is excreted for the Pineal Gland (approximately the size of a pea, hence the term "Pea Brain"), in two forms during the hours of 11pm - 7am, Melatonin (mellow) is produced and between the hours of 7am - 11pm, Seratonin (serious) is produced in the hue-man body. Originally, the Pineal Gland was the size of a quarter and we (hue-mans) were able to breath (meaning we used to bring pRAna) directly, into the top of the our heads; illuminating the "Master Gland". However, scientific research reveals that most white people are unable to produce much Melatonin and Seratonin because their Pineal Glands are often calcified and nonfunctioning by the age of (7) seven. Pineal Gland calcification rates among Africans is 5-15%; Asians - 15-25%; Europeans -60-80%! There are several healing sounds that can de-calcify the Pineal Gland. They are the sounds of healing, 'MAY', 'THOH', 'AYIN', 'I', 'E'."

i plan to experiment with these healing sounds, if anyone has anything to offer in terms of using sound frequencies to decalcify the pineal gland, please say so, this could be the key to countering fluoridation

interesting that two of the words are may and ayin...combined =mayan


I am interested in your experiment as I totally believe in the power of sound and vibration. Do you have any sources that I can further read? Also do you know of any sound files that may be helpful?

[xx_black_sage_xx]

Oh god! how I wish I could lock myself up in a dark room for a month!


Sorry, in a mood :(

Some great advice there anyway, thankyou. I really like the idea of raw foods...I need to get rid of this sweet habit though, just eaten a large pack of fruit pastilles :o


ok wait a minute....this is getting ridiculous.....eating raw foods? changing toothpaste? humming? You know you could develop tape worm parasites from eating raw meat. You could get severly sick.

I've been reading this thread and all these crazy ideas, making all these changes to your lifestyle, and some of these ideas are completely too much.

Surely fluoride won't calcify the pineal gland THAT much..and even if it does doesn't dreaming naturally release DMT from the pineal gland every night. If that's the case than just remember your dreams every morning and write them down, should keep the the pineal gland fresh? Also entheogens like salvia, DMT, and lsd also secrete the pineal gland.

So what happens if the pineal gland is calcified? We can't evolve spiritually? Or dream? So when we die we would just keep reincarnating back into the 3rd density as slaves, over and over and over again for eternity? That is complete madness....wtf did we do to the reptilians to make them want this?! Envy?

[biblegirl]

Mandalas Stimulate the Pineal Gland. Looking at a Sacred Image is like doing Mental Push Ups. Check some out for yourself.

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:lUPq7D_OD7hO2M:http://higherbalance.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/mandala.jpg

http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:BoEZl6sT8cdEwM:http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/images/picture%252012.gif

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:yC8kgdW6Cv8y6M:http://www.mexicanbeautygiftshop.com/images/Aztec-Calendar.gif

Thanks for the images thoughtonfire, this is the first time I've heard of that. I know i've seen that pic in the middle before, the other two are new and quite fascinating :).

[lostinstrangeworld]

Is there any proof that it calcifies the pineal gland?

Aha

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/

[joeri]

How long will it take to notice positive effects after stopping the usage of fluorized toothpaste?

[robindean]

How long will it take to notice positive effects after stopping the usage of fluorized toothpaste?

I noticed a difference after about a month.. havn't had a headache since, and I just feel alot more clear-headed :)

[hagbard_celine]

How long will it take to notice positive effects after stopping the usage of fluorized toothpaste?

We'll see, I stopped a few months ago. I hope whatever injury the fluoride did to my Pineal is cureable.:o

[motleyhoo]

Just stopping the flouride stops further calcification. It won't reverse what has already been done. To reverse it you have to consume anti-oxidants and superfoods on a daily basis and stay away from any processed foods and environmental toxins. This is the predominant theory today, but I am not sure anyone can verify that it is actually effective.

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[hagbard_celine]

Just stopping the flouride stops further calcification. It won't reverse what has already been done. To reverse it you have to consume anti-oxidants and superfoods on a daily basis and stay away from any processed foods and environmental toxins. This is the predominant theory today, but I am not sure anyone can verify that it is actually effective.

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It's worth a try. I'm already trying to make organic wholefoods my staple and I don't use chemical toiletries. I'm not sure that's enough, but we shall see.

[branjo]

If you are in the US remember that nearly all water filtration systems will not take the fluoride out of water, Brita or Pur are useless for this as are most of the others

The one I am toying with the Idea of trying is a Berkey water system, said to be one of the few to drastically reduce the fluoride content.

I have my water delivered, I use Ice Mountain, its said to use reverse osmosis, which is the best way to remove fluoride from water, but I still have my doubts of course, they could be adding it after who knows, the water from my taps, I won't even give to my dogs.

Incidentally I have remembered about only 3 dreams since I moved to the US 6 years ago from Ireland, I think my pineal gland has the feel of an egg shell....lol.

I stopped eating meat for 2 reasons, I started to get bad vibes from it in the way of something having to be murdered to give me texture and taste, and the other reason is the amount of drugs in it was always making me think what damage I was doing.

Same for dairy, but lately as I shop at Whole Foods, I have got some milk from cows that are free range and 100% grass fed, and OMG milk with cream at the top, I haven't seen that for like 15 or more years in any milk.

Whole Foods is an outstanding shop, I swear you actually feel better when you leave it because you know your health is paramount to everything sold in the store. When you spend $200 at Walmart or Meijer on shit, and you end up not eating or throwing 20-30% of it out, you don't mind paying a little extra for something you know your going to use and is good for your health.

I can't speak highly enough about this store, I swear there is something about the air there that is just good for your health.

I will surely try the raw vegetables for a while instead of cooking them to see if I dream more, its quite annoying when you can't dream but you really want to. With having a wife and son now, I can't set aside 6 hours to take mushrooms or LSD or get to try Ayahuasca, I think that I could really do with the eye opener again to remind me how truly amazing perception can be. I did a lot of shamanic drumming during mushrooms and LSD in a pure dark environment, and after a while you would think you are in full daylight with what you can see.

Damn I miss the old days of flexing that little gland, although I think once you have the memory of it you will never loose that placeholder ya know? but it would be nice to refresh it again and just get back to my roots.

Anyway you are what you eat, I don't use any chemical on or in my body that I currently know of that I have not looked at closely, Toothpaste no fluoride, deodorant no aluminum and no GMO of any kind in my house.

I have to tell you I am not as drained as I was 2 months ago, all this about veggies having no energy is untrue, as long as you don't jump from tainted meat to GM veggies your hunky dory.

Just need to get that Pineal gland back in shape and im good to go.

You know what someone needs to make a "what to eat and what not to eat" thread and have it stickied in the health section, a list of safe beneficial foods. Not just "what to eat" but also "where to get it" and who makes the good ones and who makes the bad ones. And have the list constantly updated in the first post, not spread out all over the thread.

I'd do it but I am still in the beginner phase of knowing what to eat, but I still may give it a go if I can carve out a little piece of time.


Further edit: I have to honestly add that I am a total fucking hypocrite when it comes to cigarettes and coffee, but we all have our vices :)
Also watch http://www.fluoridealert.org/ if you haven't already

[ownoiz]

"Interesting" comment on wikipedia's Pineal gland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland) page...


fluoride deposits in the pineal gland have been linked with aging.

The pineal gland is a midline structure, and is often seen in plain skull X-rays, as it is often calcified.


And more information...

The pineal gland is reddish-gray and about the size of a pea (8 mm in humans), located just rostro-dorsal to the superior colliculus and behind and beneath the stria medullaris, between the laterally positioned thalamic bodies. It is part of the epithalamus.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Illu_endocrine_system.jpg/250px-Illu_endocrine_system.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Illu_pituitary_pineal_glands.jpg/250px-Illu_pituitary_pineal_glands.jpg

The pineal gland consists mainly of pinealocytes, but four other cell types have been identified.

Cell type - description

pinealocytes - The pinealocytes consist of a cell body with 4-6 processes emerging. They produce and secrete melatonin. The pinealocytes can be stained by special silver impregnation methods.

interstitial cells - Interstitial cells are located between the pinealocytes.

perivascular phagocyte - Many capillaries are present in the gland, and perivascular phagocytes are located close to these blood vessels. The perivascular phagocytes are antigen presenting cells.

pineal neurons - In higher vertebrates neurons are located in the pineal gland. However, these are not present in rodents.

peptidergic neuron-like cells - In some species, neuronal-like peptidergic cells are present. These cells might have a paracrine regulatory function.

Pinealocytes in many non-mammalian vertebrates have a strong resemblance to the photoreceptor cells of the eye. Some evolutionary biologists believe that the vertebrate pineal cells share a common evolutionary ancestor with retinal cells.

In some vertebrates, exposure of the pineal to light can directly set off a chain reaction of enzymatic events which regulate circadian rhythms.

Some early vertebrate fossil skulls have a pineal foramen (opening). This corroborates with the physiology of the modern "living fossils", the lamprey and the tuatara, and some other vertebrates which have a parietal organ or "third eye" which, in some of them, is photosensitive.

The third eye represents evolution’s earlier approach to photoreception. The structures of the third eye in the tuatara are homologous to the cornea, lens and retina, though the latter resembles that of an octopus rather than a vertebrate retina. The asymmetrical whole consists of the "eye" to the left and the pineal sac to the right.

In animals that have lost the parietal eye, including mammals, the pineal sac is retained and condensed into the form of the pineal gland.

Unlike much of the rest of the mammalian brain, the pineal gland is not isolated from the body by the blood-brain barrier system; indeed it has profuse blood flow, second only to the kidney.

Fossils seldom preserve soft anatomy. The brain of the Russian Melovatka bird, about 90 million years old, is an exception, and it shows a larger-than-expected parietal eye and pineal gland.

In humans and other mammals, the light signals necessary to set circadian rhythms are sent from the eye through the retinohypothalamic system to the suprachiasmatic nuclei (SCN) and the pineal.

Function

The pineal gland was originally believed to be a "vestigial remnant" of a larger organ. As early as 1917 it was known that extract of cow pineals lightened frog skin. Dermatology professor Aaron B. Lerner and colleagues at Yale University, in the hope that a substance from the pineal might be useful in treating skin diseases, isolated and named the hormone melatonin in 1958. The substance did not prove to be helpful as intended, but its discovery helped solve several mysteries such as the fact that the removal of the rat's pineal accelerated ovary growth, keeping rats in constant light decreased the weight of their pineals, and that both pinealectomy and constant light affect ovary growth to an equal extent, knowledge that gave a boost to the then new field of chronobiology.

Melatonin is a derivative of the amino acid tryptophan, which also has other functions in the central nervous system. The production of melatonin by the pineal gland is stimulated by darkness and inhibited by light. Photosensitive cells in the retina detect light and directly signal the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN), entraining its rhythm to the 24-hour cycle in nature. Fibers project from the SCN to the paraventricular nuclei (PVN), which relay the circadian signals to the spinal cord and out via the sympathetic system to superior cervical ganglia (SCG), and from there into the pineal gland. The function(s) of melatonin in humans is not clear; it is commonly prescribed for the treatment of circadian rhythm sleep disorders.

The compound pinoline is also produced in the pineal gland; it is one of the beta-carbolines.

The human pineal gland grows in size until about 1–2 years of age, remaining stable thereafter, although its weight increases gradually from puberty onwards. The abundant melatonin levels in children are believed to inhibit sexual development, and pineal tumors have been linked with precocious puberty. When puberty arrives, melatonin production is reduced. Calcification of the pineal gland is typical in adults.

In animals, the pineal gland appears to play a major role in sexual development, hibernation, metabolism, and seasonal breeding.

Pineal cytostructure seems to have evolutionary similarities to the retinal cells of chordates. Modern birds and reptiles have been found to express the phototransducing pigment melanopsin in the pineal gland. Avian pineal glands are believed to act like the suprachiasmatic nucleus in mammals.

Studies suggest that in rodents the pineal gland may influence the actions of recreational drugs, such as cocaine, and antidepressants, such as fluoxetine (Prozac), and its hormone melatonin can protect against neurodegeneration.


http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/fluoride_dees.jpg
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[storm knight]

Skip to 5:30, the video next follows on for a bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVaOYDQAiY&feature=PlayList&p=F9172A21427E99AF&index=22

[pedsi]

Some good info here on the pineal gland,from 7 mins onward.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTptr_xalUc

[mind1universe]

I use flitered britta water, how good is this?

I hear its very expensive to remove flouride from the water. I'm doing up a report and sending all the info to my local council office and water treatment centre at home.

I'm not having this anymore.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Skip to 5:30, the video next follows on for a bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVaOYDQAiY&feature=PlayList&p=F9172A21427E99AF&index=22

Yep, this was a very good presentation.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I heard that Vitamin C helps with pineal de-calcification.

[cruise4]

I thought the first 7 minutes were good too. The Chemistry of fear and relation to DMT etc. is worthy of investigation as well as the obvious what you perceive/believe is what you situate/create/perpetrate. How bad does it have to get before you 'Fuck it all off'? That is YOUR choice. Time results in unknowing??? If you always KNOW and KNOW all, there can't be time??? The converse is worth thinking about too... or... why they want you poisoned and stupid. Set in stone appeal to anyone? 'Cast' is an interesting word.

Fear Can Control Your Life

Fear leads to anxiety, phobias, panic disorder, “obsessive-compulsive disorder,” “post-traumatic stress,” trauma, worry causing paranoid over-activation of the stress response.

The Source of Fear

Stressful fear enters through emotional memories of terror, intimidation, bullying, scary events, accidents, war, confinement, being lost, near drowning, abandonment, and even scary movies at an inappropriate age.

Extreme Anxiety and Panic

The emotion of wounds of the past is reflected in current events. Excessive emotion in a current event indicated the current event triggered some aspect of an old memory where high emotion actually occurred. The emotion was remembered, but the details remain in the subconscious memory. Flashbacks, dreams, or triggers cause a great reaction of primarily great fear. Modern research has found that traumatic memories can even be formed at or before birth.

Fear/Flight Factor, Both Good and Bad

Symptoms of anxiety include muscle tension, trembling, shortness of breath, fast heartbeat, dry mouth, dizziness, nausea, irritability, loss of sleep, and not being able to concentrate. These symptoms are triggered by the stress response system in a fear/flight situation. The human body reacts the same way to internally or externally generated fear. People with anxiety experience constant stress related to fear.

Unfortunately, the fear/flight response will not produce any relief from fear. One cannot run or fight to get away from internal fear. This constant response results in very uncomfortable feelings and prolongs excess exposure of adrenalin and cortisol that damages our physical and emotional health.

Perceptions Not Always Based on Fact

These anxiety-related responses are based on our perception of the situation. Our body was not designed to operate by constantly over-responding to fear and worry. Medical science’s answer is drugs to treat the symptoms, and psychotherapy for managing and coping with the fears. The simple and obvious answer is to eliminate the fear, but that is not always easy, and usually appears overwhelming. Elimination of the false beliefs of fear in the past memories brings freedom from these symptoms. The answer to why phobias are in your life is held in your memories.

Fear Before Birth

It is scientifically known that fear and other emotions of an unborn child can be conditioned from the mother before birth. Chemicals produced in conjunction with our sympathetic nervous system trigger physical responses such as heart and breathing rates. These chemicals called “catecholamines” produce the physical reactions to fear and anxiety. These chemicals will translocate to the unborn child, who will also have a physical reaction to what is happening with the mother. Repeated occurrences (conditioning) can cause the baby to be born in fear.

Colic in Babies Is a Symptom of Fear

“Excessive maternal neurohormonal secretion creates an overcharged autonomic nervous system, which leads to low weight at birth and/or gastric disorders and/or reading difficulties and/or behavior problems.” (The Secret of the Unborn Child, Thomas Verny, M.D., with John Kelly.) Perhaps you have observed this in colicky, irritable, restless, fidgety, shy, or anxious babies and toddlers. Obviously, the best time to deal with our fears is before pregnancy. If that didn’t happen, this knowledge can still be used to help your children. How the father feels about the mother and how he impacts the relationship can be the most important aspect of a mother’s emotions. How the mother feels about her baby is also very critical.

God’s answer to fear is that we are not to live in fear. Proverbs 29:25 (NIV) “Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is kept safe.” When we fail to follow God’s Word, we are not being obedient, which is missing God’s mark. Missing God’s mark is sin, which is God’s way of telling us how we should live. It’s not His desire that we consume a bunch of anxiety pills with side effects. He wants His best for us.

http://healedheartministry.com/page8.html
It'll do.

[cruise4]

Watched it all now. Bit of discernment needed there I reckon.

[hagbard_celine]

I heard that Vitamin C helps with pineal de-calcification.


Thanks, because I need some of that I think.:(

[ianw]

Keep it, its a stone cristal,And think it away,is there concrete all around or is it in my head.
Metaphisics,the best of both worlds

[branjo]

I use flitered britta water, how good is this?

I hear its very expensive to remove flouride from the water. I'm doing up a report and sending all the info to my local council office and water treatment centre at home.

I'm not having this anymore.

Brita doesn't remove hardly anything bro I have been told. Something to do with the width of the Fluoride particle being smaller than it can stop, its only basically for certain microbes and larger things.

I did a little research on this and Bekey water filters are supposed to reduce the Fluoride content, but I don't know anyone with one, so I can't be sure before I buy one myself.

[itsallinus]

God’s answer to fear is that we are not to live in fear. Proverbs 29:25 (NIV) “Fear of man will prove to be a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is kept safe.” When we fail to follow God’s Word, we are not being obedient, which is missing God’s mark. Missing God’s mark is sin, which is God’s way of telling us how we should live. It’s not His desire that we consume a bunch of anxiety pills with side effects. He wants His best for us.

http://healedheartministry.com/page8.html
It'll do.

Another way of living in fear. Don't choose sinful fear, choose my loving god fear. Fear my punishment for your sin..etc :rolleyes:

[cruise4]

Another way of living in fear. Don't choose sinful fear, choose my loving god fear. Fear my punishment for your sin..etc

God = higher self or whatever. I just use it as a short term for something I know nothing about. Nor do I believe the theosophical versions. Ultimately I only trust me. And given what's going on down here it's no wonder.

If it's looks messianic it just means I've posted it as is regardless.

Did this thread get all changed around? I seem to have some thread confusion going on. I thought this thread had started with that Bashar video.

[pegcityevolve]

Binaural beats work at decalcifying the pineal gland. Listen to some gamma frequencies and meditate to them.

[pegcityevolve]

Mmmmmmm

Tall glass of cold pure water, a nice spliff of northern lights, some melatonin, and Jeffrey Thompson's "Gamma-Inner Mind". :;)

Pineal gland car wash. :D

[xelotath]

Calcified pineal glands play a key role in one of the methods used to detect medium to large sized brain tumors in humans. If you take an x-ray image of a person's head you will see a tiny little white dot in the center of the brain (calcified pineal gland). If this solid little dot is found to be off-centered it may indicate the presence of a tumor.

I have also heard nothing but great things about Berky water filters. They are some of the best filters worthless paper can buy. :)

[1977]

I want to point out that fluoride cannot be the only reason for calcification:

http://books.google.com/books?id=vkYaAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA95&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U2EgxJeBLv1tA7GzkosB3xLVl8mGg&ci=109%2C1114%2C747%2C197&edge=0

This is from Roentgen Interpretation By George Winslow Holmes, Howard Edwin Ruggles, 1921 (http://books.google.com/books?id=vkYaAAAAIAAJ&dq=calcified%20pineal&as_brr=1&pg=PA95&ci=109%2C1114%2C747%2C197&source=bookclip).

[angelx666]

Binaural beats work at decalcifying the pineal gland. Listen to some gamma frequencies and meditate to them.

hi there, can you elaborate? what range exactly ? 20 HZ ???

Tx

[branjo]

I have also heard nothing but great things about Berky water filters. They are some of the best filters worthless paper can buy. :)

Ahh that's exactly what I needed to hear, I will be in the market for a good 5-10 gallon one soon, They say you can even filter stagnant pond water through them.

Now just to gather up some of those worthless pieces of paper...lol.

[mind1universe]

how do you get it out of tap water.


Also what good are water britta filters

[branjo]

how do you get it out of tap water.


Also what good are water britta filters

Britta only filters larger contaminants, like certain bacteria and other deposits, but not Fluoride. Its better than nothing of course but not for what we need it to do.

I don't know for sure if even the Berkey filters get out the fluoride it just seems to be the name brand that I keep hearing most when the subject comes up.

They are not cheap either and I really don't have the ready cash to just take the risk, The water I have delivered is water than has undergone reverse osmosis but again how do I know that for sure.

I am locked into another year of water delivery service, with Ice Mountain which would quite easily cover the initail costs of the Berkey and filters for the year a cou0le of times over, so that's when I hope to buy one, always comes down to money, but then maybe I should redefine my own priorities too I guess.

Its a pity that this subject is not taken seriously by water companies, I mean if anyone and I mean anyone was presented with the information of health benefit to health risks associated with mandatory fluoridated water, then I can't honestly see anyone voting for the use of it.

I would suggest you drop Britta an email asking about it, but they will probably give you a cut n pastes answer from the legal info they are given about fluoride being for your teeth and other BS info that is not even contested.

Even here in the US you buy a bottle of water and it says "minerals added for taste" eh? since when does pure water need taste anyway?

I think what they mean is minerals added to hide the taste of the crap that's already in it....lol.

Here is a link to a site selling the Berkey systems stating that it will reduce a 20-30ppm fluoride content down to 1ppm, its a good website that I get a news letter from now and again and they seem to be up on the current state of the food and water debate. http://www.enerhealthbotanicals.com/Berkey-Arsenic-Fluoride-Reduction-Elements-p/b-fl.htm

[danster82]

certainly a coincident that fluoride does accumulate on the pineal gland.

I recent bought some melatonin supplements to see what it would do.

[mind1universe]

Even here in the US you buy a bottle of water and it says "minerals added for taste" eh? since when does pure water need taste anyway?

I think what they mean is minerals added to hide the taste of the crap that's already in it....lol.

Lol:D Don't talk to me about it!!!

It says on the britta filter as well. Britta filtered water not only improves the quality of water but it improves the taste:D Though it does improve the taste as its tastes like "water" in other words not as polluted as tap water. But water isn't supposed to taste. The only natural taste to water would be having hard water where lime and natural minerals would occur in water in some areas. This is natural.


Here is a link to a site selling the Berkey systems stating that it will reduce a 20-30ppm fluoride content down to 1ppm, its a good website that I get a news letter from now and again and they seem to be up on the current state of the food and water debate. http://www.enerhealthbotanicals.com/Berkey-Arsenic-Fluoride-Reduction-Elements-p/b-fl.htm

Also another good thing is use non flouride toothpaste.

Thanks for the link.


I really need to get this SHIT out of my water.

[branjo]

Absolutely agree on the toothpaste, I use TOMs non fluoridated toothpaste, there is a natural fluoride version though, but I wasn't brave enough to try it. When you have a warning on toothpaste that says "contact a poison specialists if accidentally swallowed", it doesn't inspire a lot of faith in the makers of the toothpaste, I always used to get a sore stomach in the mornings after I brushed my teeth, now I know why.

[mind1universe]

We wash our mouths with poison one should really wonder what the hell people do be believing...

Seriously though.

[whybeherenow]

How long has water been fluoridated? A few decades? Since the Nazis?

Prior to fluoridation people's pineal glands were fine? If (!?) the pineal gland connects us to spirituality, not so long ago people were more spirtually evolved/aware?

No.

[1977]

How long has water been fluoridated? A few decades? Since the Nazis?

Prior to fluoridation people's pineal glands were fine? If (!?) the pineal gland connects us to spirituality, not so long ago people were more spirtually evolved/aware?

No.
No.

http://books.google.com/books?id=vkYaAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA95&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U2EgxJeBLv1tA7GzkosB3xLVl8mGg&ci=109%2C1114%2C747%2C197&edge=0
The implication is that the pineal gland plays a role in aging, which is why it becomes calcified in people over 30.

Archives of Internal Medicine‎ by the American Medical Association - 1918

http://books.google.com/books?id=nigBAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA72&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U0XqVZ9-uzoyEOkvWUs9qAJ_LPtpA&ci=201%2C470%2C702%2C667&edge=0 (http://books.google.com/books?id=nigBAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA66&dq=calcified+pineal&as_brr=1#v=onepage&q=calcified%20pineal&f=false)

http://www.fraternidaderosacruz.org/afh_aadg.htm

The pineal gland as already stated, has the appearance of a tiny male organ, while the pituitary body with its open mouth is similar to the female organ. So we may see that science, which is trying to prove that these organs are directly connected with the functions of the brain and the generative organs, is right. They have direct influence upon man from the two ends of the spinal cord, for does not the sex pervert in time become a degenerate?

Thus why Tantric sex is such an effective method of pineal stimulation.

[mind1universe]

Thats it I had enough of this crap.

I'm going to write up a flouride report with factual clearly backed up evidence. I will spend as much of time into this. Can anyone give me good tips and sites for my preparatory?

This report is going straight to my local council where they flouridate the shite out of my town. I'm so sick of this disrespect. It has got to stop now. I'm fairly matter of fact and persuasive and I will not back down until its removed from my towns water supply. Once I have that done. Ireland as a whole will be my next step.


(to the reppies):D
I can look after my teeth, I don't need reptiles putting poison in my water, thanks very much for caring so much about my teeth. But I will take good care of my teeth and thanks again.


I mean I know you love me ;) But can you have faith in me looking after my own teeth?

I don't have big sharp teeth like you. You know how it is.:p

[branjo]

The real issue is, its forced medication no matter how we look at it, absolutely no different than releasing say Ibuprofen into the water so people don't notice pain when being busy little bees at work.

There was no vote passed asking "can we medicate your water?", All experts will agree that countries that do not have fluoridated water have identical dental statistics as those who do.

I mean I pay over in the US about $100 a month for normal water, and $45 a month for 5x 5Gallon bottles of my delivered water.

When I moved from the UK my damn electric bill wasn't that high, and my water was free. The only reason they call America the land of the free and home of the brave, is because the rich are free and the rest of the people have to be brave cause there is fuck all else to be when every SOB has their hand in your pocket...lol.

Damn right Mind1, print up a few petitions and put them in mom and dad stores and tell people only what they need to hear regarding the dental statistics, don't go into the Nazi or Russian experiments or the pineal gland, or it will just woosh over peoples heads.

The first town that gets it changed will start a snowball effect everywhere else, things like this make people interested in other aspects they might not have noticed before.

People hear conspiracy and they clam up and turn a blind eye, we just have to give them something that directly affects them and their children within their own house and let human curiosity do the rest.

Go for it dude!

[grenadene]

Are Calgon tablets fit for human consumption?

[crystalline]

Hi all,

I've not had a chance to read this entire thread, just got a few pages in, and made the connection between pineal gland, melatonin levels and autism. If this has already been mentioned then apologies.

I am a parent of a child with autism, I'm not sure if any of you guys are aware that a common feature of children with autism is an inability to either go to sleep or stay asleep. It is believed that this is due to the fact that the pineal gland in autistics does not produce enough melatonin, consequently a great number of ASD kids take melatonin supplements.

There has been much debate about the causes of autism, one being MMR vaccines and mercury levels in vaccinations per se. There has also been a huge influx in the number of diagnoses of autism. Could tptb be deliberately causing this condition to destabilize the pineal gland from birth, further reducing its functioning ability with flouride?

It just occurred to me when I read this thread that the connection must be noted, I have no doubt that the increases in diagnoses is not down to better awareness of symptoms within healthcare services. However, this would give a very valid reason as to WHY this condition is being let loose out there, via vaccines.

[shellygurrrl]

AWESOME thread! Wow!

Someone mentioned the Solar Healing Center's site and this blip is really good about the pineal gland:

When you walk bare foot, an important gland in the brain's center called the pineal gland or the third eye is activated. The big toe of the foot represents this gland. 25 years ago it was considered a useless gland. Now it has become an important gland for study and up to now, about 18,000 papers have been published about it. It has always been known as the Seat of the soul. The Pineal gland has optic nerve endings. The remaining four toes represent glands too -- pituitary, hypothalamus, thalamus and amygdala.

More here:

http://solarhealing.com/process/

This info is GREAT!

This link also has some fantastic info about the history of fluoride use by Val Valerian:

http://curezone.com/dental/fluoride.asp

[veritasvoice]

What are entheogenic drugs?? I want some. :)

I have tried to remove flouride from my diet but have found it very difficult. I thought I should warn everyone about filtered water from refrigerators, in case anyone else was unaware like myself. I have a Frigidaire and thought the filter was removing flouride, but it does not. According to the website they purposely leave it in for it's supposed "beneficial qualities." I'm sure this extends to the majority of name brand refrigerators. Does anyone know of any water filters that do remove flouride?

Check out Berkey and Culligan water filters. If I remember right, they have reverse osmosis filters that remove up to 96.7% of flouride from water.

[decided]

Thats it I had enough of this crap.

Can anyone give me good tips and sites for my preparatory?



http://www.nofluoride.com/stop_fluoride.htm



The only thing that will remove fluoride from the drinking water is RO (reverse osmosis). It will take 98% out. That is the best you can get.

[no nwo]

after the passing of my parents, I began taking antidepressants, I am still taking a member of the prozac family right now and really want to get off it. If one has been drinking flourodated water since a young child (I am 32 now), is it too late to switch to filtered water? Would my pineal gland actually be like a rock now?

[alchemiser]

after the passing of my parents, I began taking antidepressants, I am still taking a member of the prozac family right now and really want to get off it. If one has been drinking flourodated water since a young child (I am 32 now), is it too late to switch to filtered water? Would my pineal gland actually be like a rock now?

It's never to later to change your diet :)

The soft tissue of the pineal gland will clear up fairly quickly but the crystals need to be vibrated to break off the fluoride calcification, the solar staring has a similar effect for freeing the crystals.

Please DON'T use a reverse osmosis system as the water is completely demineralised & highly acidic after being filtered.

I have arthritis thanks to using an RO system for years! :o

http://www.waterfiltersguide.net/reverse-osmosis-water-filter.html

[no nwo]

It's never to later to change your diet :)

The soft tissue of the pineal gland will clear up fairly quickly but the crystals need to be vibrated to break off the fluoride calcification, the solar staring has a similar effect for freeing the crystals.

Please DON'T use a reverse osmosis system as the water is completely demineralised & highly acidic after being filtered.

I have arthritis thanks to using an RO system for years! :o

http://www.waterfiltersguide.net/reverse-osmosis-water-filter.html

Oh ok, if you shouldn't use RO water then what? Bottle 'spring water'?

[ownoiz]

after the passing of my parents, I began taking antidepressants, I am still taking a member of the prozac family right now and really want to get off it. If one has been drinking flourodated water since a young child (I am 32 now), is it too late to switch to filtered water? Would my pineal gland actually be like a rock now?

Pineal gland is not the only thing that is affected by Fluoride, and the Chlorine and Aluminium as well as the rest of the crap they put in there isnt exactly good for us either.

So i say its never too late, beter late than never IMO.

There are some spring waters around that are just groundwater/springwater with nothing added, you would have to find one you trust.

I have tested some of the springwaters like coca-cola owned ones, and they actually are distilled water as they dont have a TDS (total dissolved solids)reading.
.

[alchemiser]

Oh ok, if you shouldn't use RO water then what? Bottle 'spring water'?

As ownoiz says above about natural water sources or try the Berkey water filter.

http://www.berkeyfilters.com/index.html

[pipsicle]

It's never to later to change your diet :)

The soft tissue of the pineal gland will clear up fairly quickly but the crystals need to be vibrated to break off the fluoride calcification, the solar staring has a similar effect for freeing the crystals.

Please DON'T use a reverse osmosis system as the water is completely demineralised & highly acidic after being filtered.

I have arthritis thanks to using an RO system for years! :o

http://www.waterfiltersguide.net/reverse-osmosis-water-filter.html

I've heard from one source that a carbon block filter is the best thing for the job, and that bottled water actually goes through less safety checks than municipal water. Does anyone know if this is true?

According to Ma'at-Ra, the foods that calcify the pineal gland are

Meat (all kinds)

Dairy products (all kinds)

Refined Grains

Refined Starches

Eggs

Sugar

Synthetic sweeteners Salt Acidic beverages (soda pop) Beer/wine/alcohol Cigarettes (Tobacco) Pharmaceutical drugs Illicit drugs (crack cocaine, cocaine, heroin, etc.) Antidepressants

Marijuana

Energy drinks

[branjo]

Ok if its possible can we name some brands that have been tested and are from a company with a conscience. I thought Ice Mountain were ok, but they use RO too and I had assumed it was the lesser of two evils when compared to tap water, ya live and learn.

As for Berkey I am going to just buy the filter and make the rest myself with 2 x 5 gallon bottles. There is a Youtube vid of someone dissecting one and its basically just that, the filter will apparently last for a couple of years. The people testing it were using rainwater instead of tapwater, which means you won't be getting any fluoride at all in it and what particles are in the air, the filter should get them without the need for the additional filter.

Filters are I believe $60.

[pureheart]

I

You know what someone needs to make a "what to eat and what not to eat" thread and have it stickied in the health section, a list of safe beneficial foods. Not just "what to eat" but also "where to get it" and who makes the good ones and who makes the bad ones. And have the list constantly updated in the first post, not spread out all over the thread.



Great idea. Maybe we could also share recipe ideas?

[shellygurrrl]

I've heard from one source that a carbon block filter is the best thing for the job, and that bottled water actually goes through less safety checks than municipal water. Does anyone know if this is true?

According to Ma'at-Ra, the foods that calcify the pineal gland are

Meat (all kinds)

Dairy products (all kinds)

Refined Grains

Refined Starches

Eggs

Sugar

Synthetic sweeteners Salt Acidic beverages (soda pop) Beer/wine/alcohol Cigarettes (Tobacco) Pharmaceutical drugs Illicit drugs (crack cocaine, cocaine, heroin, etc.) Antidepressants

Marijuana

Energy drinks

so basically, everything that tastes good and feels good to take. lol

[pipsicle]

so basically, everything that tastes good and feels good to take. lol


Yes that... did cross my mind...

[pipsicle]

Ok if its possible can we name some brands that have been tested and are from a company with a conscience. I thought Ice Mountain were ok, but they use RO too and I had assumed it was the lesser of two evils when compared to tap water, ya live and learn.

As for Berkey I am going to just buy the filter and make the rest myself with 2 x 5 gallon bottles. There is a Youtube vid of someone dissecting one and its basically just that, the filter will apparently last for a couple of years. The people testing it were using rainwater instead of tapwater, which means you won't be getting any fluoride at all in it and what particles are in the air, the filter should get them without the need for the additional filter.

Filters are I believe $60.

Branjo, I can't name brands I know have been tested... the idea of carbon filters being the best brand came from a company called www.fountainfilters.co.uk

[pureheart]

This link is interesting...

http://theblackchannel.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=205

Racial differences have been noted in the rate of pineal calcification as seen in plain skull radiographs. In Caucasians, calcified pineal is visualized in about 50% of adult skull radiographs after the age of 40 years (Wurtman et al, 1964); other scholars argue that Caucasians, in general, may have rates of pineal gland calcification as high as *60-80% (King, 2001). Murphy (1968) reported a radiological pineal calcification rate of 2% from Uganda, while Daramola and Olowu (1972) in Lagos, Nigeria found a rate of 5%. Adeloye and Felson (1974) found that calcified pineal was twice as common in White Americans as in Blacks in the same city, strengthening a suspicion that there may be a true racial difference with respect to this apparatus. In India a frequency of 13.6% was found (Pande et al, 1984). Calcified pineal gland is a common finding in plain skull radiographs and its value in identifying the midline is still complementary to modern neuroradiological imaging.

[branjo]

This link is interesting...

http://theblackchannel.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=205

Racial differences have been noted in the rate of pineal calcification as seen in plain skull radiographs. In Caucasians, calcified pineal is visualized in about 50% of adult skull radiographs after the age of 40 years (Wurtman et al, 1964); other scholars argue that Caucasians, in general, may have rates of pineal gland calcification as high as *60-80% (King, 2001). Murphy (1968) reported a radiological pineal calcification rate of 2% from Uganda, while Daramola and Olowu (1972) in Lagos, Nigeria found a rate of 5%. Adeloye and Felson (1974) found that calcified pineal was twice as common in White Americans as in Blacks in the same city, strengthening a suspicion that there may be a true racial difference with respect to this apparatus. In India a frequency of 13.6% was found (Pande et al, 1984). Calcified pineal gland is a common finding in plain skull radiographs and its value in identifying the midline is still complementary to modern neuroradiological imaging.

That is interesting but could it have mostly to do with diet, its a sad thing but we white people (generally speaking of course) have been living of crap for so long, we are addicted to taste not nutrient.

Many (and I hate to use the term) "minorities" still have a strong sense of diet from their culture. When you take a walk down the isles of a super market you are looking at what sells, and basically speaking, shit is the best seller. When I go into a Chinese or Indian market they are bursting with herbs and spices and vegetables that focus on nutrients instead of taste.

I have recently gone Organic and vegetarian and the amount of food you can eat with a clear conscience from a regular super market wouldn't fill a hand basket let alone a shopping cart, High Fructose corn Syrup is in everything these days, I think this could be just as damaging to the brain and body. As for a decent brand of water, there really isn't one that I have been able to nail down, and that is infuriating.

I think along with the fluoride calcifying the pineal gland I think the biggest enemy of it, is not using it at all. When ever you don't use a particular part of the body for long periods of time it withers, its probably the same for the pineal. We are (Generally speaking again) all basically on auto pilot coasting through life not even using our minds other than to control motor skills of lifting the crap time and time again to our mouths, and then when the stress of life gets to us, we go to the bar and numb it with Alcohol.

We're all nuts....lol.

[shellygurrrl]

When ever you don't use a particular part of the body for long periods of time it withers, its probably the same for the pineal. We are (Generally speaking again) all basically on auto pilot coasting through life not even using our minds other than to control motor skills of lifting the crap time and time again to our mouths, and then when the stress of life gets to us, we go to the bar and numb it with Alcohol.

We're all nuts....lol.
that's a good post right there. :)

[pedsi]

I have recently gone Organic and vegetarian and the amount of food you can eat with a clear conscience from a regular super market wouldn't fill a hand basket let alone a shopping cart, High Fructose corn Syrup is in everything these days, I think this could be just as damaging to the brain and body. As for a decent brand of water, there really isn't one that I have been able to nail down, and that is infuriating.



Eustace Mullins explains the conspiracy behind corn syrup and how it effects the majority of America today.
There's an excellent 2 part interview with him at http://gnosticmedia.podomatic.com/
Well worth a listen.:)

[branjo]

Thanks Pedsi, that's a heck of an internet page. I think I will have to listen them all.

[pedsi]

Thanks Pedsi, that's a heck of an internet page. I think I will have to listen them all.

You could do a lot worse mate.;)

[itsallinus]

Eustace Mullins explains the conspiracy behind corn syrup and how it effects the majority of America today.
There's an excellent 2 part interview with him at http://gnosticmedia.podomatic.com/
Well worth a listen.:)

Bookmarked for later thanks :) I love this pic btw...

http://gnosticmedia.podomatic.com/mymedia/thumb/1106869/460%3E_2163148.jpg

[beldazar]

That is interesting but could it have mostly to do with diet, its a sad thing but we white people (generally speaking of course) have been living of crap for so long, we are addicted to taste not nutrient.

Many (and I hate to use the term) "minorities" still have a strong sense of diet from their culture. When you take a walk down the isles of a super market you are looking at what sells, and basically speaking, shit is the best seller. When I go into a Chinese or Indian market they are bursting with herbs and spices and vegetables that focus on nutrients instead of taste.

I have recently gone Organic and vegetarian and the amount of food you can eat with a clear conscience from a regular super market wouldn't fill a hand basket let alone a shopping cart, High Fructose corn Syrup is in everything these days, I think this could be just as damaging to the brain and body. As for a decent brand of water, there really isn't one that I have been able to nail down, and that is infuriating.

I think along with the fluoride calcifying the pineal gland I think the biggest enemy of it, is not using it at all. When ever you don't use a particular part of the body for long periods of time it withers, its probably the same for the pineal. We are (Generally speaking again) all basically on auto pilot coasting through life not even using our minds other than to control motor skills of lifting the crap time and time again to our mouths, and then when the stress of life gets to us, we go to the bar and numb it with Alcohol.

We're all nuts....lol.

Nice post! would it also have something to do with artificial light? :confused:

[branjo]

Nice post! would it also have something to do with artificial light? :confused:

I wouldn't doubt it, this big push to the energy saving bulb with lots more mercury in them doesn't seem right. And there is a serious depression that comes from living and working under fluorescent light all our lives. People forget there are fields of green grass and trees in most cases just 30 minutes from their own house. An hour just spent looking around at nature can relieve all the built up stress that a bottle of wine or night out on the town could relieve just the same. Coming into the winter now, leaving the house in the dark and coming home in the dark, it's like having the Sun removed from your life.

It's never easy to find time to just get up and go, from my own experience it's getting harder to do such things these days, it seems to require so much effort that I end up just saying "ah screw it", and watch a movie or documentary and I freaking hate myself getting like this. Again every bulb in my house is those curly little energy saving bulbs, I got them even before I thought about the dangers of them. Maybe these are the root cause of my lethargy lately, I dunno.

What is it that French guy says in the Matrix, "If we do not ever take time, how can we ever have time".

[beldazar]

Hmm...I got given lots of free energy-saving bulbs from Warm Front, how nice of them! :(
Anyway, I gave them to the local council offices :D

I had my flourescent tube replaced in the kitchen last week, I had a standard bulb fitting in its place. I now have a 100 watt bulb in my kitchen, the light is much more pleasant, its yellower but that may have something to do with me painting the inside of the lightshade yellow. I'm getting all my electric checked but I did notice that the fitting gets rather hot so I hope it's up to handling 100 watt bulbs or I want another one :(

I was thinking more along the lines of any kind of artificial light. It is said that to reactivate the pineal gland to sit in a dark room for a month. If we had no artificial light would it help the pineal to work? I understand the sun to be our outer pineal gland and our pineal as the inner sun, after all, the pituitary and the pineal is responsible for our dreams :confused: just a theory of mine

[branjo]

Hmm...I got given lots of free energy-saving bulbs from Warm Front, how nice of them! :(
Anyway, I gave them to the local council offices :D

I had my flourescent tube replaced in the kitchen last week, I had a standard bulb fitting in its place. I now have a 100 watt bulb in my kitchen, the light is much more pleasant, its yellower but that may have something to do with me painting the inside of the lightshade yellow. I'm getting all my electric checked but I did notice that the fitting gets rather hot so I hope it's up to handling 100 watt bulbs or I want another one :(

I was thinking more along the lines of any kind of artificial light. It is said that to reactivate the pineal gland to sit in a dark room for a month. If we had no artificial light would it help the pineal to work? I understand the sun to be our outer pineal gland and our pineal as the inner sun, after all, the pituitary and the pineal is responsible for our dreams :confused: just a theory of mine

I looked for normal bulbs the other day over here, there are none at the usual stores, I am going to have to see if I can get em online.

It's an Interesting theory though. A type of mild sensory deprivation to kick start the process.

I remember reading years ago about the sensory deprivation studies done in the 60's, at a University. They took a kind of space suit and filled it with cotton padding and the helmet and visor they painted black so no light would get in. Then when the subject was inside and could barely feel any part of his/her body due to the tons of cotton in there, they lowered them into a 12 foot tank of water to eliminate all the sound too. They paid if memory serves me correct 100 dollars an hour of which they had no shortage of volunteers

The results were most couldn't do more 10 - 20 mins thinking they were in it for several hours, they had a complete loss of time. Many came out of it crying, screaming and acting all psycho, they said after the first 20 minutes the brain started to make an entire reality around them, more vibrant than any reported LSD trip they may or may not have had. The longest was 1 hour 15 mins and the guy got $115 for his trouble.

Added: Strangely enough though I don't think anyone fell asleep, as even in our sleep we need still a lot of sensory input.

[pipsicle]

I wouldn't doubt it, this big push to the energy saving bulb with lots more mercury in them doesn't seem right.

Crazy. It's considered too dangerous to put in thermometers these days, so let's put it in LIGHT BULBS instead....

This link is interesting...

http://theblackchannel.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=205

Racial differences have been noted in the rate of pineal calcification as seen in plain skull radiographs. In Caucasians, calcified pineal is visualized in about 50% of adult skull radiographs after the age of 40 years (Wurtman et al, 1964); other scholars argue that Caucasians, in general, may have rates of pineal gland calcification as high as *60-80% (King, 2001). Murphy (1968) reported a radiological pineal calcification rate of 2% from Uganda, while Daramola and Olowu (1972) in Lagos, Nigeria found a rate of 5%. Adeloye and Felson (1974) found that calcified pineal was twice as common in White Americans as in Blacks in the same city, strengthening a suspicion that there may be a true racial difference with respect to this apparatus. In India a frequency of 13.6% was found (Pande et al, 1984). Calcified pineal gland is a common finding in plain skull radiographs and its value in identifying the midline is still complementary to modern neuroradiological imaging.

There's quite an interesting scribd article written by a black author about the decrease in black people's spirituality as the result of their pineal glands becoming calcified.

Guys, is there actual hard scientific evidence you could point me to implicating the pineal gland in man's experience of the Divine?

[beldazar]

I looked for normal bulbs the other day over here, there are none at the usual stores, I am going to have to see if I can get em online.

It's an Interesting theory though. A type of mild sensory deprivation to kick start the process.

I remember reading years ago about the sensory deprivation studies done in the 60's, at a University. They took a kind of space suit and filled it with cotton padding and the helmet and visor they painted black so no light would get in. Then when the subject was inside and could barely feel any part of his/her body due to the tons of cotton in there, they lowered them into a 12 foot tank of water to eliminate all the sound too. They paid if memory serves me correct 100 dollars an hour of which they had no shortage of volunteers

The results were most couldn't do more 10 - 20 mins thinking they were in it for several hours, they had a complete loss of time. Many came out of it crying, screaming and acting all psycho, they said after the first 20 minutes the brain started to make an entire reality around them, more vibrant than any reported LSD trip they may or may not have had. The longest was 1 hour 15 mins and the guy got $115 for his trouble.

Added: Strangely enough though I don't think anyone fell asleep, as even in our sleep we need still a lot of sensory input.


I really really really want to try a sensory deprivation tank! I remember seeing a place advertised in my home town several years ago now, there is a place down here somewhere. Perhaps I will get round to it too, I have also heard they can send you mad.

As for the lightbulbs, I went up to morrisons the other day and they still stock plenty of the traditional ones. It was good to see :)

[pessi_optimist]

Love this post :) well done for bringing to my attention, because I gave up using tapwater and flouride toothpaste or anything containing flouride around 6 months ago... and I must say I feel so much better for it.

I have clearer thoughts and not so many aches and pains. My dreams are much more vivid and I feel much more deeply connected spiritually. My emotions have reason now, rather than being the emotionless zombie I was before. Also my teeth are getting better, didn't know that was possible, but I have always suffered from bad teeth. Personally I think after doing research, I have flouridosis which has been rotting my teeth... Dentisits don't tell you about that now do they!

I think just for any reason in general... give up the flouride, it really is poison.

What water do you drink then if not tap? Basically we are told to drink tap water because it's better environmentally but this bullshit, because tap water tastes revolting in London, and it's full of fluoride. But all the bottled water must have something in it too, they are major major corporation in of themselves.

I gave up fluoridated toothpast about a year ago, it's disgusting. I use aloe vera paste now, or tom's of maine's.

[pureheart]

I hadn't realised that energy-saving bulbs were so dangerous.

Lots more info here..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-506347/An-energy-saving-bulb-gone--evacuate-room-now.html

What the hell are they thinking, making them with mercury? :mad:

[branjo]

Now imagine a huge EMP blast coming from the Sun and popping every lightbulb in your house at the same time. It would be ground zero for mercury poisoning.

Of course this probably never entered their minds when they began pushing them onto the public ;)

[pureheart]

And of course they have their Energy Assessments (which you have to pay them £250 for) when you want to sell or rent out your house, so that they can come round and check how many of the poisonous little blighters you have been conned into buying. :mad:

[drooh]

I thought it was the hypothalamus not the pineal gland that regulated sleep in humans?

[beldazar]

I thought it was the hypothalamus not the pineal gland that regulated sleep in humans?

From what I understand the hypothalamus, pituitary and pineal gland are all linked

http://www.wayfinding.net/pineal.htm

[w0rm]

I remember watching an interesting Doc/Movie called something like Freedom: Awakening 2 (it's on youtube).

Anyway, part of it was about how incredible water really is, how it reacts to music and sound in general.

At one point a scientist shows the benefit of an ozone machine and how it can purify the water - I've not looked this up, or done any further research into the matter, but it's an interesting notion nonetheless.

[branjo]

I remember watching an interesting Doc/Movie called something like Freedom: Awakening 2 (it's on youtube).

Anyway, part of it was about how incredible water really is, how it reacts to music and sound in general.

At one point a scientist shows the benefit of an ozone machine and how it can purify the water - I've not looked this up, or done any further research into the matter, but it's an interesting notion nonetheless.

Yes there is a few good videos of this on youtube, and threads i have came across here too. Water is a fascinating substance and completely taken for granted.

People were asked to meditate on a droplet of water, sending it all the hatred they could and then the water was frozen, and it froze completely retarded. Then the "same" droplet of water was thawed out and another person had to meditate on it and send nothing but powerful positive emotions and love, then they refroze the water and it went into beautiful snowflake hexagonal designs.

Always spare a conscious thought for the water you put into your body, no matter what they put into it to control you, its 99.9999999999% life that you're drinking.

[ahrazu]

I thiugh about this the other dsay, its all about blocking chakras :(

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49877

Its really not about giving people physical symptoms, its all to do with blocking the chakra's to prevent 'enlightenment'

this is the whole goal I feel. They block the :-

1. Root chakra by keeping us obsessed by sleazy sex.

2. Spleen, food additives, pesticides etc....

3. Solar plexus, by keeping us in a state of fear and negativity,

4. Heart, all the horrors being carried out makes it so hard to LOVE.

5. Throat, well we all know THAT one! The inability to speak out about anything sounding 'alternative' lol,

6. Third eye or brow chakra, it gets calcified by FLOURIDE!


Great post Universal, lots of depth there

Hello,

I would like to share my experience with the deprogramming of solar plexus chakra. Im just going through it right now… I can say that this is really difficult one and feels like hell… It is like you see your body is sweating and shaking when you even think about this global agenda or spiritual abuse… My emotional body then is going completely insane. I wonder if there are any other people who experience so deep programming in solar plexus. I sure there is something wrong with my reactions, something completely irrational and ridiculous in the strength of the fear I experience. I finally now calmed my body down using appreciation and gratitude feeling in my heart (see www.tomkenyon.com). How I saw it working: around your heart chakra is forming something like magnetic field with white and light blue color and this sphere is growing. It is like my consciousness is placing itself there in the center of this magnetic field of feeling of appreciation and gratitude. I can see everything more clearly (because when you are in fear it is very hard to remain conscious). And what I see is like very disasterous process is going on in meridians and around physical body. And Im feeling like someone is dead or nothing is going to be ok and even like somebody attacked me with bad words and so on. And, as my partner described it, Im far away in my presence almost completely taken by this vortex of though – fear – and fight with both of them: information and the emotion in which it results. Ok. My message here is : it is ok. I let it to be. Im recovering now from serious self attack of my own energy which was programmed deeply in my childhood I even do not know when. I only remember from my childhood terrible dreams about eating people and fighting with gosts. But Im free now even not fully recovered yet.

Thank you Merlincove for your post:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79626
It saved me too.
:)

[wladxq]

and what kind of water do u use for cooking and washing your body?

[wladxq]

Love this post :) well done for bringing to my attention, because I gave up using tapwater and flouride toothpaste or anything containing flouride around 6 months ago... and I must say I feel so much better for it.

I have clearer thoughts and not so many aches and pains. My dreams are much more vivid and I feel much more deeply connected spiritually. My emotions have reason now, rather than being the emotionless zombie I was before. Also my teeth are getting better, didn't know that was possible, but I have always suffered from bad teeth. Personally I think after doing research, I have flouridosis which has been rotting my teeth... Dentisits don't tell you about that now do they!

I think just for any reason in general... give up the flouride, it really is poison.

and what kind of water do u use for cooking and washing your body?

[stopthemadness]

I heard that Vitamin C helps with pineal de-calcification.

Vit C is a mild chelator (pronounced key-lay-tor).

Better is intravenous EDTA treatments. It will chelate heavy metals such as lead, nickel, chromium etc. It works its way down the periodic table to the lighter elements. Which means with repeated treatments, 20-30 full treatments, it starts to dissolve calcium from the arteries & veins. It comes out in your urine. At first it will be lead & nickel. With time it will be calcium.

EDTA is not only good for detoxifying heavy metals such as lead, but once it starts to chelate calcium it dissolves blockages in the arteries. That means heart disease, a.k.a. atherosclerosis, IS REVERSIBLE and preventable.

EDTA chelation is the way to go if you want to cleanse your brain of unwanted elements like calcified deposits. I do not know if EDTA works on halogens like fluorine, but it certainly will remove any calcium that might be bound to the fluorine. And it will clean your arteries out within a few months. If your family has a history of heart disease then do EDTA intravenous treatments.

Holistic doctors offer EDTA treatments.

Add to this the Linus Pauling treatment for preventing heart disease, that includes Vit C, and you will be one clean dude.

[qpid]

Fluoride is a halogen - like jodine.

[skttrbrain]

Didn't you ever wonder why the Pope's staff has a pine cone on it?

..and out of the top is Christ('Christ consciousness' perhaps?)?

Maybe its symbolism thrown right out in the open, as always... Just my own personal observation.




http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/cone6.jpg

[subl1minal]

The Cone is splattered all over Ancient History, it clearly holds major signifcance to our consciousness.

David Wilcock explains a lot about it in the '2012 Enigma'~

A lot of products calcify it, including soda and things. All the stuff we all seemed to be obsessed with drinking nowadays ;-)

[turquoisefire777]

makes sense.

[itsallinus]

The Cone is splattered all over Ancient History, it clearly holds major signifcance to our consciousness.

David Wilcock explains a lot about it in the '2012 Enigma'~

A lot of products calcify it, including soda and things. All the stuff we all seemed to be obsessed with drinking nowadays ;-)

I would be interested to know if the process of reversing the calcification would take a long time or a quick clean? Could the body simply evolve a way of combating and adapting to protect the pineal gland? Does meditation cleanse the pineal gland?

[dunadan]

Fluoride is a poison with the side-effect of also strengthening teeth!

Avoid it at all costs.

Also buy a really good quality Reverse Osmosis Water Filter (with at least six stages of filtration/cartridges).

All the best all!

:)

[itsallinus]

Fluoride is a poison with the side-effect of also strengthening teeth!

Avoid it at all costs.

Also buy a really good quality Reverse Osmosis Water Filter (with at least six stages of filtration/cartridges).

All the best all!

:)

I use non-fluoride toothpaste, have done for about 2 years, I know about Reverse Osmosis but didn't look into it as have been broke for too long, how expensive are we talking here? Any brand recommendations?

[dunadan]

I use non-fluoride toothpaste, have done for about 2 years, I know about Reverse Osmosis but didn't look into it as have been broke for too long, how expensive are we talking here? Any brand recommendations?

In the UK Freshly Squeezed Water is one of the better systems and they usually have deals on and have, in the past, offered 'staged payments' and discounts etc. have a look at; www.freshlysqueezedwater.org.uk.

Also they provide the best at a value for money price - a friend of ours has just bench-marked/researched the market-place and has come to the same conclusions. We bought ours approx 14 months ago. It is cheaper - over a year - than buying bottled water (and that was in year 1 with the initial purchase costs!).

Like you we have been using fluoride free toothpaste for years and we use a mercury free dental service too.

We bought our RO system with a discount/staged payment package - with free fitting too!

The guy who set the company up did so because of the health benefits he had had from such a system after serious illness - a system which had been recommended by his oncologist!

The usual caveats apply in that I have no business interests in the company - we are just satisfied customers.

We had been facing challenges with our tap water/health and switched to bottled water - pricey but what price your health? We also had the local water company out to test our tap-water too (prior to buying the RO system). The guy who came out said;-

"They wont find anything wrong with this sample, even if they did they probably wouldnt say, also such will be inside European guide-lines - which are not appropriate anyway. This tap-water makes my partner ill and I am fed up of having to lie to cutomers, so I am leaving the company at the end of the month". :eek:

We then went on to have a conversation about how the water supply - here - had been messed up (after 'privatisation') and how our area used have superb mineral type waters, rather then the resevoir stuff we have now etc.

:)

Good luck with it all!

[itsallinus]

Thanks for that helpful info dunadan, will check it out. :)

[subl1minal]

Thanks for that helpful info dunadan, will check it out. :)

Ditto!, thanks man :)

[blue2]

Yes artificial fluoride is a bad poison from the petro chemical industry a waste product via aluminium. It is a known Thyroid receptor antagonist so will arrest thyroid function giving you other disease states and chronic fatigue syndrome,so yes it will also affect all other glands.

Of course there are many by products of petro- chem industry.

The artificial synthetic chemicals like Aspartame new name is Amino sweet or something to that effect-bad-Nitrites found in Wine now-Nitrites found in all Supermarket meats both cooked and uncooked and now we here of Carbon Monoxide poisoning in Safeways american supermarkets to keep the colour brighter longer.

If you can ever buy Organic meat from an independent organic farmer you would immediately see the difference in colour darker looking rich colour full of natural looking blood full of nutrients. Hydrogen Peroxide Food Grade 35% diluted to 3% will lift out pesticides from vegetable and meats-try it from Health Leads UK and see the white froth lift up quickly with about 2 tblspns of it-amazing. I tried it on some meat bought at my local village butcher-no froth came up,local meat.

Do not trust bread from supermarkets as it is pure only in it's poison-gluten combined with synthetics instead of natural rising and proving has made it undigestible and so you have gluten allergies happening because the protein chain is damaged. If you want bleached flour but i for one do not, and use only local bakery non GM and i can digest it as it is made using the tried and proven methods of old fashioned master baker traditions.

Gluten blocks production of Growth hormone from Pituitary gland in brain thus messing up Insulin balance in the pancreas for digestion and there you have Diabetes type 2. Obesity.

I buy very little from supermarkets as they feed the masses and foods with so much small print but i never buy pre packed foods as they are likely to have been irradiated or by some other toxic methods for preserving so absolutely no nutrition that why they have to add in vitamins but without minerals you cannot utilise vitamins.

Do not use boxed cereals for they have a carcinogenous mycotoxin and i found this info on;
www.Archive.food.gov.uk !!
Sterigmatocystin is a carcinogenous mycotoxin found in boxed cereals in retail outlets and on cheese crusts,is yellow, and in maize. It's a poison of the dermatoxin from the fungi genus Aspergillus and appears on crusts of cheese with mold. It is an Inhibitor of DNA synthesis and causes inflammation of the liver and kidneys.

I found another site distributing Raw Goats milk ans has a decent explanation of it's journey to you and the changes it will go through- www.red23.co.uk

Lots of people are developing allergies due to poisons in our systems like the undigested protein in cows milk Casein, cos of the fact it's pasteurised and homogenised it's interfered with protein utilisation.

So you see it is not just one thing but many in the system. www.gurusgarden.com can give you major detoxes. MyUs.com for transporting stuff is brilliant service from USA. Minerals detox us and we are so deficient. www.detoxyourworld.com is in Great Yarmouth and is a useful place to learn or buy and she has Ionic minerals. Harmonic Inner Prizes too is run by a Herbalist. The Fresh Network can teach you.

In Scotland there is The Seer Centre has Rock Dust for remineralising your garden soil to grown own veges.

Caffeine will lower your Adrenal gland function they sit on top of our kidneys. Decaffeinated is synthetically chemically treated-or mistreated!

Pesticides are so high in Wheat and storage tubs are often sprayed with these poisons at least six times. Then you have soft furnishings and carpets that are so high in these poisons-unless you plump for Alternative floor coverings. Clothing industry too we inhale poisons and absorb through footwear. Then loo rolls and tissues. It's an endless constant poisoning process we are going through and our bodies cannot evolve to detox anymore.

And keep well away from Doctors poison prescriptions and vaccines.

I see they are now bad mouthing Homeopathy once again and of course Chinese Acupuncture and herbal treatments are on our streets and the usage is increasing. People are learning some sense.

One GP once said to me 'if i made you well i'd be out of a job'-enough said huh. I decided that as chronic fatigue syndrome had been my demise according to nhs then i would do my best to learn learn learn and that is precisely what i did do! Erfa Armourthyroid and Somatomed is what i now use.

[wyndham]

So.... apparently according to the ancients, the organ which connects you to the higher reality, in which you experience spirituality is the pineal gland.... This gland happens to be the organ that regulates melatonin, thus regulates the times you're up and the times you're asleep...So it appears the ancients knew full well the purpose and...


Descartes believed it was the seat of the soul...imagine cutting people off from their own souls without them knowing it

[consciousness]

Apologies if this has been posted.

Here's some youtube goodies on this subject.

The Pineal Gland is a Stargate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcvtNdTDnJ0


part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6EEm95P51Q&feature=fvst


part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGS6tCIDW9k

and so forth

[himitsunomiko]

Really I do not have time to read all the replies, just wanted to throw my two sense in here.

I find it interesting that some people think enlightenment is evil. How, pray tell, can a person villiafy something so positive?

The mass brainwashing/ great deception has a bunch of soul-less people walking around these days. Knowing nothing of energy cleansing and balancing.

I went to buy flouride free-toothpaste today, and it seems there is only one brand in my local markets that makes such a thing. Is the FDA pushing for a mandatory flouride in toothpaste deal, or what?

[beldazar]

Is the FDA pushing for a mandatory flouride in toothpaste deal, or what?

Hmmm...no I am not sure that's the reason. I think they just cater for what people buy and people have been conditioned to want a flouride toothpase.
Aloe Dent toothpaste is often on special offer in Superdrug where I am as it's not selling :(

[gaias child]

I went to buy flouride free-toothpaste today, and it seems there is only one brand in my local markets that makes such a thing. Is the FDA pushing for a mandatory flouride in toothpaste deal, or what?

I've never used toothpaste with fluoride, there are lots of fluoride free toothpastes around

what I use now is either toothsoap which is just saponified coconut and olive oil and natural peppermint essence

http://www.therawgreek.com/toothcare

or periobrite

http://www.100percentnature.co.uk/products.php?cat=139

I find it interesting that some people think enlightenment is evil. How, pray tell, can a person villiafy something so positive?



who is saying enlightenment is evil?

[himitsunomiko]

On this other message board, there is a user, well two, who have been harrassing me personally for over a week about the fact that I am going to hell because I am not a Christian. I would have left the board, but many of the users want me to stay, and I will not be bullied by online thumpers.

I tried to show them that I follow the Gita and Krishna, and he is not evil, Kali is, and they still persisited.

I tried to tell them meditation is the key to knowing your true self, and they said that the bible preaches man is evil, and god is not inside.

They call meditation Luciferian Enlightenment, which is evil... Because they are saying the core of the media is ruled by Freemasons who all lodges secretly partake in Blavatsky's Luciferian (evil) doctrines.

The mods were not doing anything about these guys, so i told them just stop talking to me...

but yeah I don't get it, thats some MASS brainwashing if you think enlightenment is evil.

Hell JESUS TAUGHT IT LOL!!:cool:

[lw71]

vicco ayurvedic toothpaste

[lw71]

http://www.serendipity.li/mcclay/pineal.html

The Pineal Gland, LSD and Serotonin

Russ McClay

March 19, 1976

[itsallinus]

On this other message board, there is a user, well two, who have been harrassing me personally for over a week about the fact that I am going to hell because I am not a Christian. I would have left the board, but many of the users want me to stay, and I will not be bullied by online thumpers.

I tried to show them that I follow the Gita and Krishna, and he is not evil, Kali is, and they still persisited.

I tried to tell them meditation is the key to knowing your true self, and they said that the bible preaches man is evil, and god is not inside.

They call meditation Luciferian Enlightenment, which is evil... Because they are saying the core of the media is ruled by Freemasons who all lodges secretly partake in Blavatsky's Luciferian (evil) doctrines.

The mods were not doing anything about these guys, so i told them just stop talking to me...

but yeah I don't get it, thats some MASS brainwashing if you think enlightenment is evil.

Hell JESUS TAUGHT IT LOL!!:cool:

I have given up trying to wake up anyone religious. When they are prepared to question their own beliefs they will find enlightenment or not, they will come and ask the questions when they are ready........or not, I save my energy for those who are willing to listen without judgment or preconceived opinions.

[himitsunomiko]

good news! the battle is over on said board.

Yeah, I know what you mean, I just wish people could all get along :(

So much hate in the world today...

[1977]

I tried to tell them meditation is the key to knowing your true self, and they said that the bible preaches man is evil, and god is not inside.

They call meditation Luciferian Enlightenment, which is evil... Because they are saying the core of the media is ruled by Freemasons who all lodges secretly partake in Blavatsky's Luciferian (evil) doctrines.

The mods were not doing anything about these guys, so i told them just stop talking to me...

but yeah I don't get it, thats some MASS brainwashing if you think enlightenment is evil.

Hell JESUS TAUGHT IT LOL!!:cool:
The Christian Church Father Origen wrote about the Third Eye, too. Celsus was a pagan who had charged that Christians weren't teaching proper meditation practices, but Origen counters by saying that yes, the Christians do teach it:

[Celsus] then addresses to us these words: “If, instead of exercising your senses, you look upwards with the soul; if, turning away the eye of the body, you open the eye of the mind, thus and thus only you will be able to see God.” He is not aware that this reference to the two eyes, the eye of the body and the eye of the mind, which he has borrowed from the Greeks, was in use among our own writers; for Moses, in his account of the creation of the world, introduces man before his transgression as both seeing and not seeing: seeing, when it is said of the woman, “The woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise;”[1] and again not seeing, as when he introduces the serpent saying to the woman, as if she and her husband had been blind, “God knows that on the day that ye eat thereof your eyes shall be opened;”[1] and also when it is said, “They did eat, and the eyes of both of them were opened.”[1] The eyes of sense were then opened, which they had done well to keep shut, that they might not be distracted, and hindered from seeing with the eyes of the mind; and it was those eyes of the mind which in consequence of sin, as I imagine, were then closed, with which they had up to that time enjoyed the delight of beholding God and His paradise. This twofold kind of vision in us was familiar to our Saviour, who says, “For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not, might see, and that they which see might be made blind,”[1]—meaning, by the eyes that see not, the eyes of the mind, which are enlightened by His teaching; and the eyes which see are the eyes of sense, which His words do render blind, in order that the soul may look without distraction upon proper objects. All true Christians therefore have the eye of the mind sharpened, and the eye of sense closed; so that each one, according to the degree in which his better eye is quickened, and the eye of sense darkened, sees and knows the Supreme God, and His Son, who is the Word, Wisdom, and so forth....

But a Christian, even of the common people, is assured that every place forms part of the universe, and that the whole universe is God’s temple. In whatever part of the world he is, he prays; but he rises above the universe, “shutting the eyes of sense, and raising upwards the eyes of the soul.”

—Origen, Contra Celsum (http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04167.htm)

[subl1minal]

I have given up trying to wake up anyone religious. When they are prepared to question their own beliefs they will find enlightenment or not, they will come and ask the questions when they are ready........or not, I save my energy for those who are willing to listen without judgment or preconceived opinions.

Yeah, it's just like The Matrix ''I can only show you the door Neo, you have to walk through it''

So by talking about it, you're showing these people the door, but they have to walk through it. The amount of energy I've wasted of trying to drag them through it.. haha It's not worth it. We're responsible for ourselves, sure we can help eachother, but it's down to us to make the choices. Which is a shame, because some people will defend their 'commerce' reality to the teeth!

[greenapple]

Hi guys :)

Here is some info I found on how to detox from fluoride

How to Detox Fluorides from Your Body
by Paul Fassa, citizen journalist
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(NaturalNews) You can rid you body of most fluorides with some easy natural remedies. Fluorides have been linked to a variety of severe chronic, even acute health issues. First a quick review summary of fluoride.

Fluoride Toxicity

Fluoride is a soluble salt, not a heavy metal. There are two basic types of fluoride. Calcium fluoride appears naturally in underground water sources and even seawater. Enough of it can cause skeletal or dental fluorosis, which weakens bone and dental matter. But it is not nearly as toxic, nor does it negatively affect so many other health issues as sodium fluoride, which is added to many water supplies.

Sodium Fluoride is a synthetic waste product of the nuclear, aluminum, and phosphate fertilizer industries. This fluoride has an amazing capacity to combine and increase the potency of other toxic materials. The sodium fluoride obtained from industrial waste and added to water supplies is also already contaminated with lead, aluminum, and cadmium.

It damages the liver and kidneys, weakens the immune system, possibly leading to cancer, creates symptoms that mimic fibromyalgia, and performs as a Trojan Horse to carry aluminum across the blood brain barrier. The latter is recognized as a source of the notorious "dumbing down" with lower IQ's and Alzheimer's effects of fluoride.

Another not commonly known organ victim of fluorosis is the pineal gland, located in the middle of the brain. The pineal gland can become calcified from fluorides, inhibiting it's function as a melatonin producer. Melatonin is needed for sound, deep sleep, and the lack of it also contributes to thyroid problems that affect the entire endocrine system. The pineal gland is also considered the physical link to the upper chakras or third eye for spiritual and intuitive openings.

Various permutations of Sodium Fluoride are also in many insecticides for homes and pesticides for crops. Sometimes it is even added to baby foods and bottled waters. If you live in a water fluoridated area, purchase commercially grown fruits, especially grapes, and vegetables that are chemically sprayed and grown areas irrigated by fluoridated water, you are getting a triple whammy! Better skip that fluoridated toothpaste!

Avoiding Fluoride Contamination

As always, the first step in detoxifying is to curb taking in toxins. Purifying water by reverse osmosis or distillation in fluoridated water communities is a good start to slowing down your fluoride contamination. Distillation comes with a bit of controversy, as all the minerals are removed. A great mineral supplement such as Fulvic Acid (not folic acid) or unsulfured blackstrap molasses is recommended if you distill your water.

Avoiding sprayed, commercially grown foods while consuming organic or locally grown foods is another big step. Watch out for processed foods such as instant tea, grape juice products, and soy milk for babies. They all contain high concentrations of sodium fluoride. So do many pharmaceutical "medicines". By minimizing your sodium fluoride intake, your body can begin eliminating the fluorides in your system slowly.

Magnesium is a very important mineral that many are lacking. Besides being so important in the metabolism and synthesis of nutrients within your cells, it also inhibits the absorption of fluoride into your cells! Along with magnesium, calcium seems to help attract the fluorides away from your bones and teeth, allowing your body to eliminate those toxins. So during any detox efforts with fluoride, it is essential that you include a healthy supplemental dose of absorbable calcium/magnesium as part of the protocol.

So Now Let's Speed Up the Fluoride Detox

This author received a comment stating that an earlier article's source reference to sunlight for decalcifying the pineal gland was inaccurate. He said that darkness, not light, is needed to stimulate the pineal gland into melatonin production, which should lead to breaking up the calcification of that gland. Besides being logical, further source research indicates the critic is correct!

Day time exercise, a healthful diet, not over eating, and meditation all contribute to higher melatonin production from the pineal gland. Though very helpful to many for getting a full night's deep sleep, it appears inconclusive whether melatonin supplements will help decalcify the pineal gland. But it does seem logical that it might.

Iodine supplementation has been clinically demonstrated to increase the urine irrigation of sodium fluoride from the body as calcium fluoride. The calcium is robbed from your body, so make sure you are taking effective calcium and magnesium supplements. Lecithin is recommended as an adjunct to using iodine for excreting fluorides.

Iodine is another nutrient lacking in most diets and causing hypothyroid symptoms of lethargy or metabolic imbalances. Eating lots of seafood for iodine has it's constantly rising mercury hazards. Seaweed foods and iodine supplements that combine iodine and potassium iodide are highly recommended over sea food by most.

Tamarind, originally indigenous to Africa but migrated into India and southeast Asia, has been used medicinally in Ayurvedic Medicine. The pulp, bark, and leaves from the tree can be converted to teas and strong tinctures, which have also shown the ability to eliminate fluorides through the urine.

Liver Cleanses are considered effective for eliminating fluorides and other toxins. There are two types of liver cleansing, both of which can be performed easily at home over a week or two of time. One of the protocols focuses on the liver itself , and the other cleanses the gall bladder, which is directly connected with liver functions. Simple instructions for both can be found on line with search engine inquiries.

Boron was studied in other parts of the world with pronounced success for fluoride detoxification. Borox, which contains boron, has a history of anecdotal success for detoxifying sodium fluoride. Yes, this is the borox you can find in the laundry aisles of some supermarkets. It needs to be taken in with pure water in small quantities.

As little as 1/32 of a teaspoon to 1/4 of a teaspoon in one liter of water consumed in small quantities throughout the day is what has been demonstrated as safe and effective. Around 1/8 of a teaspoon with a pinch of pure sea salt in a liter consumed in small quantities daily has been reported to have dramatic results. There is the possibility of a food grade version with sodium borate, if you can find it.

Dry Saunas combined with exercise releases sodium fluoride stored in fatty tissues. It can be intense enough to cause side effects or an occasional healing crisis. So keep the pure water intake high and drink some chickweed tea to protect the kidneys while using a highly absorbable cal/mag supplement. Lecithin is another useful adjunct to this protocol for fluoride detoxification.

Those Adjuncts to the Listed Remedies

Vitamin C in abundance was not mentioned as a helpful adjunct. It is now. But do not use ascorbic acid as your vitamin C source for an adjunct to any of the fluoride detox methods. Do take in as much other types of vitamin C as you can tolerate, along with a couple of tablespoons of lecithin daily. Add those to your absorbable calcium and magnesium supplements with plenty of pure water, get good sleep and rest, and the detox should be relatively smooth.

Chelation therapies are recommended primarily for heavy metal removals. Though fluorides are salts, the synthetic waste product variety, sodium fluoride, comes with a cargo of toxic heavy metals. And these pernicious salts have a way of combining more heavy metals. So including any one of several chelation therapies may be beneficial for overall health improvements while applying your chosen fluoride remedy or remedies.

Those include bentonite clay internally or externally, fulvic acid (NOT folic acid), cilantro pesto with chlorella, and even DMSA or any other chellation therapy with which you are familiar.

Sources:

Boron Testing
http://www.liquidzeoliteplus.com/fl...

List of foods with fluoride contamination
http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html...

Website that offers a bibliography of other sources
http://www.slweb.org/ftrc.html

suana remedy http://www.tldp.com/issue/202/Notes...
http://www.encognitive.com/node/3083

Earth Clinic Folk Remedies
http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/fl...

Great comprehensive overview of fluoride
http://www.tuberose.com/Fluoride.html

[asevaaamas]

:::::PINEAL REACTIVATION AND SENSORY DEPRIVATION:::::

this is what i've found out from experiments

if all this stuff about flouride etc calcifying the pineal is true, then it has either not been a total success on mine or just has not done enough damage yet

you don't need a water isolation tank to go into sensory deprivation, just turn off all electric things in your room, block the door cracks, put heavy sheets over the windows until no light comes in whatsoever

you can get a totally dark room quite easily with just a few things like bedsheets etc

now, the tibetans have a practice called dark retreat where they basically go for extended periods in darkness

they have visions etc (this transcends culture, it happens to everyone in the dark sooner or later)

this is proof also that the ordinary tibetan of thousands of years ago was no more in command of his pineal gland third eye vision aspect of mind than we are now, and one assumes he had a beautiful supply of fresh pure water and vegetation, avoiding all the modern poisons put in our food

that alone is a very interesting point to consider

anyway, i've done these experiments personally

it's hard to sit, doing nothing, with eyes open, in the complete darkness for very long without either feeling so drowsy you MUST sleep or want to get out of there

i got used to it after a while and started to enjoy the extreme distancing of myself from the world through the absence of light and the shape and depth it gives form

in darkness, all forms disappear, your eyes see infinity in the emptiness of darkness, you might not be looking an inch ahead but you can 'taste' the suchness of existence in the perception of vacuity

after an hour or so melatonin should start being produced heavily, you will feel sedated, quiescent mentally, drifting dreamily in thought, and drowsy ready for sleep

after more time if you don't distract yourself by moving around etc you will slip into the hypnagogic state and see OEVs in the darkness

it's just like dreaming, as if your dream world opened out and played on the theatre screen of the emptiness/darkness around you

you can call it oobe or astral travel or whatever you want but it's in the mind just as much as dreaming is, just projected into the outer vacuity rather than behind closed eye lids

i do not know whether these practices reactivate the pineal or prevent the damage being done to it but one thing i am certain of is that even without all the poisons we would not have an innate inherent command of that aspect of mind without prior training in meditation or while spontaneously experienced through drugs

so.... something to think about
sensory deprivation is good for meditating on voidness, accessing deep unconscious mind memories, distaincing yourself from the world, and other things, and it's relatively easy

try taking a melatonin supplement before this practice also and you will get a feel for what melatonin is better in an experiential way, and udnerstand its function in your natural processing of it for sleep and dreaming

also melatonin increases lucid dreams
seems the more you have - the more real and vivid the dream will be, and the depth of sleep will become so alluring to you

[1977]

Instead of looking at the darkness in the room, focus your (spiritual) vision on the small, grainy particles of light that begin to appear. Hold up your hand in a dimly-lit room and try to perceive the aura of golden-white energy around your fingers.

[beldazar]

:::::PINEAL REACTIVATION AND SENSORY DEPRIVATION:::::

this is what i've found out from experiments

if all this stuff about flouride etc calcifying the pineal is true, then it has either not been a total success on mine or just has not done enough damage yet

you don't need a water isolation tank to go into sensory deprivation, just turn off all electric things in your room, block the door cracks, put heavy sheets over the windows until no light comes in whatsoever

you can get a totally dark room quite easily with just a few things like bedsheets etc

now, the tibetans have a practice called dark retreat where they basically go for extended periods in darkness

they have visions etc (this transcends culture, it happens to everyone in the dark sooner or later)

this is proof also that the ordinary tibetan of thousands of years ago was no more in command of his pineal gland third eye vision aspect of mind than we are now, and one assumes he had a beautiful supply of fresh pure water and vegetation, avoiding all the modern poisons put in our food

that alone is a very interesting point to consider

anyway, i've done these experiments personally

it's hard to sit, doing nothing, with eyes open, in the complete darkness for very long without either feeling so drowsy you MUST sleep or want to get out of there

i got used to it after a while and started to enjoy the extreme distancing of myself from the world through the absence of light and the shape and depth it gives form

in darkness, all forms disappear, your eyes see infinity in the emptiness of darkness, you might not be looking an inch ahead but you can 'taste' the suchness of existence in the perception of vacuity

after an hour or so melatonin should start being produced heavily, you will feel sedated, quiescent mentally, drifting dreamily in thought, and drowsy ready for sleep

after more time if you don't distract yourself by moving around etc you will slip into the hypnagogic state and see OEVs in the darkness

it's just like dreaming, as if your dream world opened out and played on the theatre screen of the emptiness/darkness around you

you can call it oobe or astral travel or whatever you want but it's in the mind just as much as dreaming is, just projected into the outer vacuity rather than behind closed eye lids

i do not know whether these practices reactivate the pineal or prevent the damage being done to it but one thing i am certain of is that even without all the poisons we would not have an innate inherent command of that aspect of mind without prior training in meditation or while spontaneously experienced through drugs

so.... something to think about
sensory deprivation is good for meditating on voidness, accessing deep unconscious mind memories, distaincing yourself from the world, and other things, and it's relatively easy

try taking a melatonin supplement before this practice also and you will get a feel for what melatonin is better in an experiential way, and udnerstand its function in your natural processing of it for sleep and dreaming

also melatonin increases lucid dreams
seems the more you have - the more real and vivid the dream will be, and the depth of sleep will become so alluring to you

Thanks, good article.
My bedroom lets light in but is better now I have different curtains.
My bathroom would be a good place for that, no windows. I could put a small mattress in the bath and give it a go :)

[soul_traveller]

Does anyone know of any resources that give details of areas in the world that have fluoride in the drinking water supplies?
I've come across a few websites but they seem a bit mis-leading.

I've not yet checked all the posts above.

[theorgster]

Sensory Deprivation / Salt Water Floatation tanks are a great way of achieving high levels of meditation - it's a short cut to reaching Theta without the effort normally associated with learning to meditate deeply http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19uq8QQrMvc if you look at these people in the video then I think you'll find the answer :) enjoy.

[gaias child]

Hi all,


There has been much debate about the causes of autism, one being MMR vaccines and mercury levels in vaccinations per se. There has also been a huge influx in the number of diagnoses of autism. Could tptb be deliberately causing this condition to destabilize the pineal gland from birth, further reducing its functioning ability with flouride?

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Interesting point. A homeopath (non conspiracy theorist)also once told me that the MMR also shuts down the thymus gland.

The hypothalumus also gets affected , Barbara Markiniac says on page 127 of her book Earth, says the hypothalums is the gate keeper between your physical body and the outer chakras.

Our glands which are linked to higher consciousness ie pinal thymus pituitary, get deactivated by vaccines and fluoride and other poisons.

Many autistic people I know of are very highly attuned to higher consciousness, more so than average people, many having ESP or being telepathic. Not all autistic people were harmed by vaccines. Temple Grandin Autistic professor, never had vaccines. My son had bad reaction to MMR (coma)and he is autistic, but I never was sure the two were linked, as many in my family have asd traits.

[kevin82]

Here are some scientific studies that show the link between flouride and pineal gland.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSZQ3ixu7a4

[theorgster]

Remember that a lot of kids in the UK have died from the subsequent outbreaks of diseases that MMR was supposed to protect against.

Fluoride is not a poison and is found naturally in low concentrations in drinking water and foods.

Water with underground sources is more likely to have higher levels of fluoride, whereas the concentration in seawater averages 1.3 parts per million (ppm). Fresh water supplies generally contain between 0.01–0.3 ppm, while the ocean contains between 1.2 and 1.5 ppm.

At the hight of McCarthism it was alleged that fluoridation was a Communist plot.

[theorgster]

Water fluoridation's science and practice are predominantly American. It has been introduced to varying degrees in many countries and territories outside the U.S., including Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Hong Kong, Ireland, Israel, Korea, Malaysia, New Zealand, the Philippines, Singapore, Spain, the UK, and Vietnam. An estimated 12 million people in western Europe, 171 million in the U.S. (61.5% of U.S. population), and 355 million worldwide receive artificially fluoridated water, in addition to at least 50 million worldwide who receive water naturally fluoridated to recommended levels.

In addition, at least 50 million people worldwide drink water that is naturally fluoridated to optimal levels; the actual number is unknown and is likely to be much higher. Naturally fluoridated water is used in many countries, including Argentina, France, Gabon, Libya, Mexico, Senegal, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, the U.S., and Zimbabwe. In some locations, notably parts of Africa, China, and India, natural fluoridation exceeds recommended levels; in China an estimated 200 million people receive water fluoridated at or above recommended levels.[22]

Communities have discontinued water fluoridation in some countries, including Finland, Germany, Japan, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Switzerland.[18] This change was often motivated by political opposition to water fluoridation, but sometimes the need for water fluoridation was met by alternative strategies. The use of fluoride in its various forms is the foundation of tooth decay prevention throughout Europe; for example, France, Germany, and many other European countries use fluoridated salt.[22]

[kevin82]

23 published studies report an association of reduced IQ
with high fluoride exposure.

http://fluoridealert.org/iq.studies.html


Reverese osmosis is the best way of getting rid of fluoride in water. I've minimized my fluoride intake and it's alot easier to reach higher levels of consciousness during meditation.

[darryl84]

Remember that a lot of kids in the UK have died from the subsequent outbreaks of diseases that MMR was supposed to protect against.

Fluoride is not a poison and is found naturally in low concentrations in drinking water and foods.

Water with underground sources is more likely to have higher levels of fluoride, whereas the concentration in seawater averages 1.3 parts per million (ppm). Fresh water supplies generally contain between 0.01–0.3 ppm, while the ocean contains between 1.2 and 1.5 ppm.

At the hight of McCarthism it was alleged that fluoridation was a Communist plot.

No, calcium fluorophosphate is found naturally in water, what is added unnaturally to water supplies is a chemical by product of the aluminum industry called sodium flouride. Sodium flouride is listed as a toxin by official organisations, hence why when you read your colgate/flouride toothpaste, it says words to the effect of... "Do not swallow, it is a poison/toxin, if you do swallow, seek professional help immediately".

[theperceivingeye]

Even my dentist is starting to come around to the idea that all is not well with this flouride business...

[darryl84]

Even my dentist is starting to come around to the idea that all is not well with this flouride business...

Well thats good news, i step in the right direction.

[decode reality]

So.... apparently according to the ancients, the organ which connects you to the higher reality, in which you experience spirituality is the pineal gland.... This gland happens to be the organ that regulates melatonin, thus regulates the times you're up and the times you're asleep...So it appears the ancients knew full well the purpose and power of the pineal gland...Essentially the organ that separates our waking life from our sleeping life...Or our spiritual life( only 1/60th of the soul stays in the body during sleep) from our physical life...Its our umbilical cord to the higher world....This organ is also where we 'visualize' or see things with our 'minds eye' , considered by the ancients the 3rd eye...

Now the weird thing is apparently fluoride(which happens to be put in our water) actually builds up in the pineal gland....Causing a possible divorce or limited response on the pineals glands part in receiving spiritual signals from its source, or the individuals ability to experience any spiritual connection..

Thought that was strange....fluoride actually building up in the pineal gland(go look it up if you think I'm bullshiting) this generations rise in atheism, agnosticism, apathy, etc....There must definitely be some correlation between these two.....Its not simply the indolence of many of these people, but an actual inability to perceive such things...due to the pineal gland being swamped with a chemical that interferes with a spiritual resonance

If i were to guess id say thats the point...abrogating ties between the physical/spiritual worlds....Creating a divorce between body and spirit...Seems like an easy way to control a populace....Create the world you want...Seems like were living in the modern of era of the tower of babel....Everyones coming close to speaking one language, we live in an age of moral blasphemy, sexual impurity, an impudence to spirituality ....and all this essentially serves the goals of the elite...to be our 'gods'...to fashion the world in 'their' image.

......
Does the pineal gland regulate sleep/wake? yes
Does the pineal gland visualize? yes
Does fluoride build up in the pineal gland? yes.

Given what we know scientifically to the functions of the pineal gland, the ostensible creating capacity of it, being the organ that projects images in our minds....The ancients knew THEN what we know now...The pineal gland does all these things.....If your spiritual resonance came through this highest organ, the 7th/crown chakra...and if you blocked any mental response from this higher reality using a chemical like fluoride, than that obviously tells me that thats one of the main functions of spiking our water supplies with this utterly unnecessary chemical( breast milk has 10 orders of magnitude less fluoride than what they put in our water supplies - so if nature doesn't give us fluoride, why the $#@* do they put in our water/ baby formulas in such high quantities??....

Its because they want us this way....your whole spiritual/psychic sense of reality is blocked by this chemical...turns you into a veritable machine, not asking any questions or even bother wondering.....Sorta explains why todays society is as it is, and all past societies were so radically different.


and than theres the apathy, slightly lowered IQ, cancers , bone diseases etc dangers of fluoride.

Fascinating stuff. Nice one.

[decode reality]

Do you also feel that it's possible to bypass some of the adverse effects of vaccines, fluoride etc? I say that because I always knew in my mind that there was 'something else', vague as that sounds. And this was at a time when I ate and drank plenty of junk food, took paracetamol and other prescription drugs for ailments. Oh, and I brushed my teeth with Crest too. :)

[blue2]

I honestly think everyone would be much better healthwise by having regular colonic irrigations by a qualified practitioner, i know many may not relish this thought but it does clear energy pathways very effectively and brain function and skin colour gets better-at around second and third one black tarry toxic stuff comes away from colon wall and you begin to feel energised just keep on with them say once a month thereafter. Also keeps colon healthy by gentle massage of colon wall and prevents cancer.Will absorb nutrients better too.

[subl1minal]

I honestly think everyone would be much better healthwise by having regular colonic irrigations by a qualified practitioner, i know many may not relish this thought but it does clear energy pathways very effectively and brain function and skin colour gets better-at around second and third one black tarry toxic stuff comes away from colon wall and you begin to feel energised just keep on with them say once a month thereafter. Also keeps colon healthy by gentle massage of colon wall and prevents cancer.Will absorb nutrients better too.

I've had it done, did wonders for my digestion system. But I've clogged it all back up. I've thought about having it again and starting a new diet of hemp seeds, no meat, no wheat, no dairy etc.

[polonize17]

Here's something you can do to help combat toxins and cure the body of numerous diseases, its called "oil Pulling"

It works by drawing toxins out of your body through the glands in your mouth, There is that much blood flowing through the thin walls of the inner mouth tissue on a minute by minute basis that the toxins are literaly sucked from your body.

There are plenty of cases of the amazing benefits this has on our bodies.

Here's a link to a huge debate about the benefits people have been having, it even whitens your teeth.

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/oil_pulling.html

[jr93]

Not sure if this is the right place to post this question, sorry if it's offtopic but I heard someone mention "chakras" on this thread & have seen the word around quite a bit. May someone explain to me what these "chakras" are?

Thanks. :)

[blowbies]

Not sure if this is the right place to post this question, sorry if it's offtopic but I heard someone mention "chakras" on this thread & have seen the word around quite a bit. May someone explain to me what these "chakras" are?

Thanks. :)

I'm a novice at this sort of stuff too. I somewhat know what chakras are, but I can't explain them in my own words. So here's an excerpt from a wikipedia article about chakras:

"Chakra is a concept referring to wheel-like vortices which, according to traditional Indian medicine, are believed to exist in the surface of the etheric double of man.[2] The Chakras are said to be "force centers" or whorls of energy permeating, from a point on the physical body, the layers of the subtle bodies in an ever-increasing fan-shaped formation. Rotating vortices of subtle matter, they are considered the focal points for the reception and transmission of energies.[3] Different systems posit a varying number of chakras, the most well known system in the West is that of 7 chakras."

here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra

I'm positive that there are more detailed sources about chakras somewhere on the web though.

[dunadan]

I'm a novice at this sort of stuff too. I somewhat know what chakras are, but I can't explain them in my own words. So here's an excerpt from a wikipedia article about chakras:

"Chakra is a concept referring to wheel-like vortices which, according to traditional Indian medicine, are believed to exist in the surface of the etheric double of man.[2] The Chakras are said to be "force centers" or whorls of energy permeating, from a point on the physical body, the layers of the subtle bodies in an ever-increasing fan-shaped formation. Rotating vortices of subtle matter, they are considered the focal points for the reception and transmission of energies.[3] Different systems posit a varying number of chakras, the most well known system in the West is that of 7 chakras."

here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra

I'm positive that there are more detailed sources about chakras somewhere on the web though.

From my point of view Chakra's seem to be energy centres within the body which are a centred around major organs or glands/nodes forming a 'network'.

This 'network' would be directly linked with our subconcious and as it is our subconcious which runs and regulates our bodies, therefore such a network has a very subtle influence upon us as we have upon it.

The subconcious, more than likely, exists within the Corpus Callosum - also where the ego 'lives' (which also aserts its influence upon us all). All rather like the cartoon version of an angel and demon on each shoulder......

It is interesting to think that our 'intensions' and our 'inspirations' (in spirit/in communication with higher self/the Source...), those thoughts which appear to come - almost - from out of the blue, have an impact upon our health and well being. Therefore could the chakra network be connected with heaven and link heaven and earth via each and every human?

Just some additional - and herewith very simplfified - conclusions which I have come to over the years.....

:)

[meristem1]

Very interesting thread. If i may offer a bit of advice, i would like to suggest that there are many herbs that have decalcifying properties these are often used in cases of kidney stones( caluculi stones,gravel etc) and hardened calcified tissue Although many practioners use them for there clearing of the mind!. Some o f the best available in the UK are
Dandelion, slow to act but very effective.
Burdock. Non finer, one of my personal favourites, has deconcretion affect but also had the added effect of cleansing blood of heavy metals and toxins.
Cleavers,removes concretions,calcifications, lymphatic tonic clears away all old, dead cells, acids, bacteria, organells, and debris from lymph and unblocks nodes.Good for spring cleanse with nettle.
Gotu kola. Indian spiritual herb used to encourage enlightment ! (decalcifying properties)and many other actions. Also Adaptogenic meaning it helps the body to cope with stress and troubles
Holy basil. Again used for spiritual practices and tonic to the whole system . Adaptogen
I would also suggest the use of Nettle as it cleans the blood. If burdock, dandelion, nettle and gotu kola /holy basil are used together the affect should be multiple. All these herbs also cleanse the body, mind blood and organs thus helping with many other complaints. Suggest 1ml each herb twice daily ( easy to blend together just take 4ml twice daily)As dandelion has a diuretic affect drink at least 1 litre of water daily (preferably warm (shaman belief a key to good health is reducing the amount of cold that we allow to enter body), sipped through the day).
I am sure there are many more i have only indicated which i think will be of use. Research all info independantly before use.
Studies suggest that Nicotine has an effect on the uptake of fluoride and aluminium, also having many positive effects on mental illness.
NB anti depressants do not work as effectively on smokers!
It may be that all we need is the intention /knowing that our pineal gland is open and it will be anyway!

[passerbye999]

Chakras or Dan Tiens energy centers in the body are more like blackholes within the energy field of the body. They are singularities. They are based in the imagination but are very real. It is all in how you imagine the process while practicing that it will manifest itself. The Hindus, The Buddhists and the Taoists all have similar yet seperate views to the phenomenum.

In truth they are not really important to daily life and in Chan or Zen and many other esoteric practices you don't even worry about them. This is because when everything is working well or not the mind regulates them naturally. The mind will regulate the body as a whole or in pieces.

When I say imagination I refer to the practice of first learning to visualize the theory for practice. Imagination in meditation is reality. There are many theories and only a few of these centers are in the same spot in different practices. Theanus area, the lower The Bladder area (lower Dan tien), the solar plexus, the third eye and the crown. The rest are up to debate. Everything directly relates to the nerve centers though and the spine is the conduit for transfering internal energy aong the nervous system pathways. In my system of Chi kung there are nine.

To open the third eye which is a dubious practice at best. Is more about revitalizing the mind and opening up synaptic passages and stuff. Rather than creating a third eye. The third eye is a phantasy as an eye, it is everything if refering to the sensual experiences of the mind (consciousness and subconsciousness coming together) So what opening the third eye really is is the ability to dream while awake and be awake while you dream. A lucid semi conscious (higher consciousness) state of awareness.

So any sort of imagery or message must be treated as such. Allegorical and metaphorical. Very seldom are visions or seeing into the realm of the psychic and if they are that is what they are because psichic abilities are enhanced in this state of mind. As a matter of fact certain meditations that explore into unreality can be very dangerous for the practitioner especially the novice.

Meditations like transcendental can create psychosis and serious problems. I practice Chan so I am slightly biased I suppose but I chose it because of research it is puposeful meditation and the Founder developed it to escape these esoteric exersizes and taught a new form of meditation at the time.

All of the exersizes were originally based off of Hinduism and branched off.
Opening of the third eye is not a prerequisite to enlightenment only awareness of it is so to speak. It is most aptly viewed as the control and sensing director of the consciousness. Being aware and directing Earthly, Heavenly and Human energies for the benifit of the individual.

Peace

[bluebunny]

I gave up drinking fluoride too, about 4 months ago, now Ive got a filter which is attached to the water supply.Its funny you should mention you have better dreams, Ive noticed that too I started having amazingly vivid and colourful dreams and I didnt really make the connection until I read your post, I didnt realize that fluoride interfered with our ability to visualize.
I just wonder, does anybody know if fluoride damage can be reversed after you stop drinking it? Where I live in the west midlands its been added to the water for as long as i can remember and I dread to think of the damage its done to me.

[sodi]

I just learned about this today lol

So apparently the all seeing eye means your pineal gland

[meditationman]

Very interesting post. The interesting thing about becoming enlightened, is that you have to then be prepared to make changes in your life according to the information.

A failure to act upon the information can cause damage to your psyche, as you have to move about your life with the torture of knowing you're doing yourself and your family harm, but are just too lazy to act.

[dunadan]

Very interesting post. The interesting thing about becoming enlightened, is that you have to then be prepared to make changes in your life according to the information.

A failure to act upon the information can cause damage to your psyche, as you have to move about your life with the torture of knowing you're doing yourself and your family harm, but are just too lazy to act.

Hi:)

I couldnt agree more, when one wishes for enlightenment one should be careful what one wishes for, because, after the initial honeymoon period, there is no turning back when upon the Path.

To quote Robert Plant "......there is not turning back on the road.." and; "...there are always two paths which you can go by..."

:)

Great Post BTW!

Love and light,

Dunadan:)

[theperceivingeye]

The third eye is a phantasy as an eye,



wrong... there are light sensitive I.E. Optic cellular structures in the pineal gland (rods and cones).

Speaking of pineal Theories I just watched part of this hilarious Youtube vid yesterday where some christian whackjob says that flouride is actually being put in the water because calcification of the pineal HELPS make the DMT experience stronger and helps our brains summon demons or some shit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfupC4l6R0c&feature=related

;)

[meditationman]

There's so much information out here, thanks to the Internet, outside of what's proven fact, you have to just consult your intuition and run with it sometimes. Just my opinion.

[passerbye999]

wrong... there are light sensitive I.E. Optic cellular structures in the pineal gland (rods and cones).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfupC4l6R0c&feature=related

;)

You know I have spent 20 yrs formally teaching and training chan or zen if you will. I will tell you what I tell my students who have these pipe dreams of an all seeing eye. You close your eyes and focus on nothingness you will find what you are looking for. You close your eyes and look for sight and you will see nothing but illusions from your mind. There is only emptyness. The eye is simply a focus point to see and find this emptyness, this nothingness. It is a major energy center which focuses chi and directs it that is it's purpose. Most of the meditation done in chan are with the eyes open staring at a wall. If the third eye was so important why wouldn't the exersizes all be done with the eyes closed trying to see through it. I don't walk through life with my eyes shut unless I am blind. Spend your time trying to see in the darkness all you will see darkness if you do it right. You will become cross eyed from focusing on the third eye over time looking at images, colors and flashing lights because you have to go cross eyed to focus properly on the chakra or dan tien. There is only two ways being wall eyed or cross eyed for 1500 yrs these are the methods. I practice both but am about 75% wall eyed and 25% cross eyed because sight true sight is better than being blind. The purpose of " third eye" training is for visualation for mind following techniques where the chi is lead by the mind from the " third eye" along the channels and meridians. I can do it with my eyes open. I can focus and use the third eye with my eyes open going about daily affairs still being aware of everything around me but paying attention to no particular thing. That is chan and chi kung.

I don't need to astral project and have visions and stuff like that they are of no use to natural life or the uplifting of mankind. Purposeful meditation is good meditation to fulfill dreams is not good. Esoteric teachings can be dangerous without formal training and understanding. Pineal theories are just that theories no facts proven over centuries of practice. Truth is always simple, secrets are always already known. Why play games with your mind?

"A special transmission outside the scriptures,
Not founded upon words and letters;
By pointing directly to Mind.
It lets one see into nature and attain Buddhahood."

The third eye is symbolic for the " inner Teacher" the Buddha , inner wisdom. It is a different kind of sight. It is perception through empty awareness.
New age teachings lead people astray just like religions.

[akana]

I fear my pineal glad is already too flouridated, how can I remove the calcium build up?

[marpat]

Flouride calcifies the pineal gland. It turns it into a rock.

I was reading a book on yoga which claims the pineal starts to die at the age of 8, after which it calcifies as art of the bodies normal development when approaching puberty. SO if this is true the pineal calcifies and decays as part of the natural development and this is nothing to do with flouride.

[dunadan]

I was reading a book on yoga which claims the pineal starts to die at the age of 8, after which it calcifies as art of the bodies normal development when approaching puberty. SO if this is true the pineal calcifies and decays as part of the natural development and this is nothing to do with flouride.

Good Post:)

I believe that is a mixture of the two.

One notices that children become less psychic after the age of 5yrs....then ego takes a hold too......that would tie in with your comments too.

Dunadan:)

[gaias child]

Good Post:)



One notices that children become less psychic after the age of 5yrs....then ego takes a hold too......that would tie in with your comments too.

Dunadan:)

Children also start school in the UK at age 5, age 7 in others, this is the left brained brainwashed logical type of eduaction that is used to mind manipulate

[dunadan]

Children also start school in the UK at age 5, age 7 in others, this is the left brained brainwashed logical type of eduaction that is used to mind manipulate

That too, so glad that someone else has noticed:)

[jconnar]

Lets look at the other side of the coin.

What if fluoride actually stimulated the pineal gland?

[egozero]

Lets look at the other side of the coin.

What if fluoride actually stimulated the pineal gland?

uh what?

why?

thats like looking at the other side of the coin, what if human s hit was actually soap? or aids is actually awesome to have...
:confused:

[dunadan]

uh what?

why?

thats like looking at the other side of the coin, what if human s hit was actually soap? or aids is actually awesome to have...
:confused:

+ 1:

:D:eek::eek::eek::rolleyes::eek::confused::confuse d::D

[passerbye999]

Since my last post i have done quite a bit of research on the pineal gland and the pineal eye which humans do not possess. Melatonin and it's release in darkness because of it's sensitivity to light is very interesting to me for i am bi polar and melatonin is being considered as a possible cure. in Taoist alchemy and many forms of yoga and qigong it is a central focus for meditation and I was wrong. I have been practicing in ignorance so to speak because I use this gland and focus on it without being aware until recently.

The internet is marvelous. I still don't believe in a third eye though. the key to longeveity though is to help this hormone secreting harmoniuosly and keeping the gland from reducing in size to fast. if the hormone is secreting properly from proper bedrest and schedule as well as meditation calcium will not build up so fast and it may even remove it. This is a novel concept for me and I have decided to dedicate my future into developing a training method that will use this hormone and it's benifits naturally using qigong and meditaion. The seat of the soul Descartes called it, the pineal gland. Spinoza argued the point but Spinoza isn't one of my favorites anyway, Descartes is.

The brain/marrow washing exersizes of Boddhidharma are an excellent vehicle for practicing nourishing this gland and i am a master of them just never visualized directly on the gland itself specifically. i have always viewed the brain as a whole. Anyway I will post more if I increase my REM sleep which will be a way of determining scientifically if my efforts are working. For the dreamstate is increased in direct porportion to melatonin release.

Peace:D

[1ibraesj]

Is there flouride in all tap water? Would something like a brit a filter get rid of it or is bottled water the way to go?

I know it's in almost all toothpaste, and I had a nightmare about flouride rotting my teeth about 3 months ago. I can't explain it but since then I've been using toothpaste that is flouride free (I used to not believe in anything in particular really), now I feel much more open and free. My beliefs have completely changed in the past few months and my mind has opened in so many ways. This thread is extremely fascinating to me and it makes sense.

What else is flouride in?

[roninsapper]

Is there flouride in all tap water? Would something like a brit a filter get rid of it or is bottled water the way to go?

I know it's in almost all toothpaste, and I had a nightmare about flouride rotting my teeth about 3 months ago. I can't explain it but since then I've been using toothpaste that is flouride free (I used to not believe in anything in particular really), now I feel much more open and free. My beliefs have completely changed in the past few months and my mind has opened in so many ways. This thread is extremely fascinating to me and it makes sense.

What else is flouride in?

You can get flouride free toothpaste.

Flouride is in anti-depressants, and is also the main ingredient in every brand of rat poison! Do a google search mate!

[marpat]

In a yoga book I recently read it stated that the pineal begins to calicify when a person begins to develop sexually, so that in children the pineal is not calcified. This would give a logical reason why children were often used as seers or clairvoyants in some old ceremonies.

[blue2]

Since my last post i have done quite a bit of research on the pineal gland and the pineal eye which humans do not possess. Melatonin and it's release in darkness because of it's sensitivity to light is very interesting to me for i am bi polar and melatonin is being considered as a possible cure. in Taoist alchemy and many forms of yoga and qigong it is a central focus for meditation and I was wrong. I have been practicing in ignorance so to speak because I use this gland and focus on it without being aware until recently.

The internet is marvelous. I still don't believe in a third eye though. the key to longeveity though is to help this hormone secreting harmoniuosly and keeping the gland from reducing in size to fast. if the hormone is secreting properly from proper bedrest and schedule as well as meditation calcium will not build up so fast and it may even remove it. This is a novel concept for me and I have decided to dedicate my future into developing a training method that will use this hormone and it's benifits naturally using qigong and meditaion. The seat of the soul Descartes called it, the pineal gland. Spinoza argued the point but Spinoza isn't one of my favorites anyway, Descartes is.

The brain/marrow washing exersizes of Boddhidharma are an excellent vehicle for practicing nourishing this gland and i am a master of them just never visualized directly on the gland itself specifically. i have always viewed the brain as a whole. Anyway I will post more if I increase my REM sleep which will be a way of determining scientifically if my efforts are working. For the dreamstate is increased in direct porportion to melatonin release.

Peace:D

Try Erfa Armourthyroid instead and get Adrenal hormones tests via private 24 hr Saliva. I came across an Abstract on Thyroid UK in 2006 from a medical article of 2002 about Bi Polar being Thyroiditis it was proven..It was Unassociated with Lithium Exposure. Thyroid Patient Advocacy also have good Medical Advisors. Please do not trust NHS with their synthetic drugs. Mood Swings and violence occur with hypothyroidism and imbalances with Adrenal glands more in some than others, also look at Thyroid Tears site. You can see list of symptoms and you could join Thyroid UK too. It all links up to all brain glands too. I took Melatonin at 10mg but it did no good cos of thyroid and adrenals were undiagnosed at the time.

Only one thing will filter out artificial Fluorosilic acid,which is a Halogen, from household water and that is a Merlin Reverse Osmosis system but you must also buy Mineral stick to remineralise water after it is purified, from East Midlands Water Board site, £149.

[passerbye999]

Try Erfa Armourthyroid instead and get Adrenal hormones tests via private 24 hr Saliva. I came across an Abstract on Thyroid UK in 2006 from a medical article of 2002 about Bi Polar being Thyroiditis it was proven..It was Unassociated with Lithium Exposure. Thyroid Patient Advocacy also have good Medical Advisors. Please do not trust NHS with their synthetic drugs. Mood Swings and violence occur with hypothyroidism and imbalances with Adrenal glands more in some than others, also look at Thyroid Tears site. You can see list of symptoms and you could join Thyroid UK too. It all links up to all brain glands too. I took Melatonin at 10mg but it did no good cos of thyroid and adrenals were undiagnosed at the time.

Only one thing will filter out artificial Fluorosilic acid,which is a Halogen, from household water and that is a Merlin Reverse Osmosis system but you must also buy Mineral stick to remineralise water after it is purified, from East Midlands Water Board site, £149.

Interesting advice thank you. I have read about the thyroid connection. For me though manias were more like kundalini syndrome or qigong deviation or a spiritual crisis as catalogued in the head shrinkers manual. lol. I practiced alot of years for the experiences and treated them like spirit walks (the mystical experiences they were). The connection between the pineal gland and sleep regulation and lucid dreaming is my interest. The sleep regulation more so though because in Taoist Alchemy it is strongly connected with the Golden Elixir of Immortality. Not becoming physically immortal but longevity practices that keep one youthful into a healthy old age. To me sleep is a form of meditation. I practice conscious and unconscious meditations both tapping into the subconscious state. So proper regulated or scheduled sleep is very important to me and that is where the pineal gland comes into play.

I don't beleive one can see through it rather one sees through empty awareness as an observer of self and others. Viewing through this form of oneness is seeing through the symbolic third eye to me. It could also be called i suppose the all seeing eye.

Peace

[jjeanjeane]

I beg to differ! but one can see a miriad of scenes being played out once you activate the third eye so to speak.I can switch from normal to third as though its second nature! It allows you veiw into another type of world its mind blowing.I activated mine through a Kundalini /shakti activation and it just keeps on giving more and more. Its for real!

[partyonvenus]

In a yoga book I recently read it stated that the pineal begins to calicify when a person begins to develop sexually, so that in children the pineal is not calcified. This would give a logical reason why children were often used as seers or clairvoyants in some old ceremonies.

Is that why "they" are trying to speed up maturity in young children?

It's been proven kids are now sexually developing faster than ever before..:(
Perhaps they want to destroy the pineal gland as soon as possible.

[passerbye999]

I beg to differ! but one can see a miriad of scenes being played out once you activate the third eye so to speak.I can switch from normal to third as though its second nature! It allows you veiw into another type of world its mind blowing.I activated mine through a Kundalini /shakti activation and it just keeps on giving more and more. Its for real!

That's cool, I wouldn't take away from ant one elses experience of reality. When I close my eyes and meditate in that area I do see visions and the like but they are of the mind, just waking dreams. What do you see if I may ask?
If you see a different rerality viewing through it how does it differ from regular sight? Can you view the same way through it? I mean no offence I am just asking questions. Can you activate it with your eyes open and see through both at the same time? If it does really exist it would seem that would be the test to actually see if it is real and not just daydreams.

It is a real eye in reptiles and birds, that is proven but we do not possess the membrane and our pineal gland is situated to far back in the brain. At least that is what I have read. Seratonin and melatonin are where the mystery rests in my mind but I may be misinformed and wrong, wouldn't be the first time.:)

[jjeanjeane]

Right in regards to said questions! Meditation question - It seems i dont even have to go into a meditative state at all,I seem to be in contact mode 24/7 not daydreams but real visions.I can either veiw with eyes closed or open i still see it all! If im veiwing with eyes closed its as though veiwing through a large circle ringed with a whitish blue light which also seems to stream through me coming from a outside source! I can at present feel all this energy streaming in, I feel them kind of putting me through a cource of sigal type moves which just intencifys everything! Im somone who needs serious proof and sure enough iv had it! Its for real my friend! We are all contected through a web type substance i see it feel it move it around its all for real!!!!!!!!!!! Just to say ORBs are for real you can interact with them easy.......................... Kundalini is the way