Democratically Elected Hamas Takes Over! :-)

[december]

Anti-democratic Israeli terror state loses civil war in Gaza strip: Democratically Elected Hamas Takes Over, pro-Israeli Fatah puppet leaders flee into Egypt!

Say NO to genocide of Palestinian people.

GO HAMAS!

http://www.bintjbeil.com/images/slide/020705_deheishe_boy.jpg

A Palestinian boy throws stones at an Israeli tank patrolling the Deheishe refugee camp, near Bethlehem July 5, 2002.

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/12/3291.shtml

[mcmenek1]

Hi December,

I think you will find that that Israel, Hammas and Fatah are all controlled by "The Powers That Be" at the highest levels and they constantly play one off against the other to cause fear death and destruction in that area........this is a formula the "The Powers That Be" have been using for years for example in Northern Ireland sinn fein and the I.R.A. were really fronts for British Intelligence at the Highest levels........you see to control the war you need to control all sides in that war........you have to look at this from the highest level to understand whats really going on.....

Love
&
Peace

[december]

Hi December,

I think you will find that that Israel, Hammas and Fatah are all controlled by "The Powers That Be" at the highest levels and they constantly play one off against the other to cause fear death and destruction in that area........this is a formula the "The Powers That Be" have been using for years for example in Northern Ireland sinn fein and the I.R.A. were really fronts for British Intelligence at the Highest levels........you see to control the war you need to control all sides in that war........you have to look at this from the highest level to understand whats really going on.....

Love
&
Peace

Wow!...

McMenek, where did you get this information from?
Did the British Intelligence people tell you about it?

[december]

The world knows what the Jewish state is doing to the Palestinian people.


http://www.ajpme.org/articles/corrie12.jpg

Palestinian children carry a mock coffin covered by an American Flag commemorating Rachel Corrie.


http://www.godhaven.org.uk/blogimages/rachelcorrie.jpg

http://judicial-inc.biz/rachel10.jpg

On March 16, 2003, Rachel Corrie and seven other Internaitonal Solidarity Movement (ISM) activists were protesting Israeli house demolitions. Rachel stood in the bulldoze'rs path, but the Israeli Defence Forces driver did not stop. After crushing her, he then put the dozer into reverse, without lifting its blade, and dug the blade over and into her body again.

Three activists ran to her and began administering first-responder medical treatment . . . She said, "My back is broken!" but nothing else.

http://judicial-inc.biz/rachel_corrie.htm

http://www.rachelswords.org/multimedia/rachelrelaxed.jpg

Rachel Corrie (April 10, 1979 – March 16, 2003) was an American member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) who traveled to the Gaza Strip during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. She was killed when she tried to obstruct an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Caterpillar D9 armoured bulldozer operating in Hai as-Salam, a Palestinian area of Rafah, close to the border with Egypt, an area the IDF had designated a security zone.

Rachel Corrie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[mcmenek1]

Wow!...

McMenek, where did you get this information from?
Did the British Intelligence people tell you about it?

Have a listen to this interview it will give you an idea of what was really going on in Northern Ireland......

http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/210906fulton.mp3

Love
&
Peace

[december]

Have a listen to this interview it will give you an idea of what was really going on in Northern Ireland......

http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/210906fulton.mp3

Love
&
Peace

I am sorry, but what does Northern Ireland have to do with Hamas or Israel?

[mcmenek1]

I am sorry, but what does Northern Ireland have to do with Hamas or Israel?

"The Powers That Be" are really pulling the strings in these wars and the organisations involved in them.....

Love
&
Peace

[december]

"The Powers That Be" are really pulling the strings in these wars and the organisations involved in them.....

Love
&
Peace

McMenek1, you didn't answer my question. I asked you what does Ireland have to do with Hamas and Israel?
I am sorry, but do you follow the events in the Palestine at all?

Do you know that the Illuminati propaganda is doing every it can to block the information about the actions of the Jewish state?

[mcmenek1]

McMenek1, you didn't answer my question. I asked you what does Ireland have to do with Hamas and Israel?
Yes I did answer your question


I am sorry, but do you follow the events in the Palestine at all?
Yes I do


Do you know that the Illuminati propaganda is doing every it can to block the information about the actions of the Jewish state?
Yes I do


You are starting to bore me now.......I’m out of here!!.....bye bye.....

Love
&
Peace

[december]

You are starting to bore me now.......I’m out of here!!.....bye bye.....

It was boring for you... I see. You are looking for an entertainment I guess.

The murder of Cachel Carrie by the Jewish state did impress you.
Correct?

[december]

The Illuminati plan to break the will of the Palestinian people by creating the humanitarian disaster.

EU Suspends Relief Projects as Violence Grows in Gaza

Brussels, June 14, 2007 (WAFA) - The European Union halted its humanitarian projects in the Gaza Strip for the first time ever as a result of the deteriorating security situation.

The EU Commissioner for Development, Louis Michel, announced the move on Wednesday, saying it came after days of fighting that have left some scores dead.

"The Palestinians have already suffered far too much. I strongly urge the warring parties to put away their guns and work together for the good of their people," he said.

"The warring parties must respect the principles of international humanitarian law and do everything possible to facilitate safe access by relief agencies to the civilian population," Michel said.

The EU suspended all 16 of its relief projects in the territory funded by the Commission's Humanitarian Aid department (ECHO) due to the lack of security.

Michel said, "I fervently hope that the projects can resume very soon. This is a time when people desperately need protection and support."

http://www.wafa.ps/english/body.asp?id=10286


http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/05/26/430palestine,0.jpg

Oppressed in their own land by the Jewish state.

[lumukanda]

http://perceptivetravel.com/images0706/Blinders.jpg

take 'em off december, there's so much to see from the other side.
and just in case you wonder, i do support palestinian freedom, this theatrical play we're seeing is just so damn obvious, it once again has nothing to do with the common person on the street, democracy my ass.

[ngawaka19]

December, this upset me so much, I cried for these people. Yes the Palestinians have alot to answer for, but not the innocent. In all cultures we have the illuminati, but that doesnt make up all of the culture. There are the hard workers the familys the children, the priests, the artists, the academics and spiritualists, the healers in all cultures. The war mungers and power seekers, the murderers and pshycopaths (illuminati) are to be got. Not the innocent. I don't know what to believe when I look at anything to do with the palestinian triangle. One thing I do know that the illuminati from england and america have alot to do with the bad things that are going on over there. I cried when I saw some of the images on this link, when is the war going to end...????? When are we all going to grow up????

[lumukanda]

the thing that gets me, and i know december for one doesn't subscribe to this, but the fact that we have this very obvious pro-israeli fatah faction and this very much anti-israel (dare i say pro-iranian?) hamas side, and ultimately we have them each working towards the same goal, which is not to unify palestine, but to make palestinians look like they can't even get along with each other, let alone israel.
it is quite telling that amidst the calls for a boycott against israel, we have this sudden resurgence of violence between rival palestinian factions, it's just so damn convenient.
plus, and this is the same all over the world, the people on the street are the ones who suffer, i just very often get the feeling that the strings in palestine are seldom pulled by palestinians, all part of the plan, all the world really is just a stage.

[december]

The Israeli Holocaust Against the Arab and Muslim People


"The Arabs are Donkeys and Beasts"

"The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure."

-- Rabbi David Batzri, head of the Magen David Yeshiva in Jerusalem

[i]"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."

Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine.html



Jewish children send 'love' messages to Lebanese children . . .

(AP Photos from Jewish settlement at Kiryat Shmona — Monday, July 17, 2006)

http://radioislam.org/lebanon/jewish-gifs/Jewish-kids-express-love-for-children-of-Lebanon_files/Hate%20Kids-2.jpg

http://radioislam.org/lebanon/jewish-gifs/Jewish-kids-express-love-for-children-of-Lebanon_files/Hate%20Kids-1.jpg

http://radioislam.org/lebanon/jewish-gifs/Jewish-kids-express-love-for-children-of-Lebanon_files/israeli-girls-bombs3.jpg



. . . and Lebanese children receive the Jewish 'love' messages...

http://radioislam.org/lebanon/jewish-gifs/Jewish-kids-express-love-for-children-of-Lebanon_files/Lebanon%20Casualty-10.jpg

http://radioislam.org/lebanon/jewish-gifs/Jewish-kids-express-love-for-children-of-Lebanon_files/Lebanon%20Casualty-2.jpg

http://radioislam.org/lebanon/jewish-gifs/jewish-massacres-in-libanon_files/survivor-from-sheba-a.jpg

[ngawaka19]

I'm viewing the material you have posted. I've never believed anyone when it comes to the catastrophy of the palestinian triangle. Could you suggest to me some precise, non biast literature, I would like to have a better understanding of what and how things have happened over there. I have read the world history books but even they seem to have a western biast echoing thru them. Are you able to suggest? much appreciate.

love and light

[ngawaka19]

lumukanda, if you could suggest some non-biast factual literature on the events in the middle east, it would be much appreciated. thanks.

love and light

[lumukanda]

i couldn't give you any reading thats not biased i'm afraid, i try and read as much as possible from both sides of the coin, but i have spoken to many people too, some jewish, some israeli, some palestinian and some westerners that have spent time in both israel and palestine, it's from these conversations that i really formed my opinion of the situation.
make no mistake, what's happening in palestine is appalling, but i don't have much love for hamas or fatah, they may be 'representative' of the people, but like all parties and organisations of that nature, they each answer to higher powers, on one level, fatah is toting the western line, on the other hamas the 'radical islamic' world, but in truth they all have the same masters.
this latest fighting is so familiar to anyone who lived in south africa during the 80's, the government of the time used to actively stir up trouble between the xhosas and the zulus (ANC and IFP), divide and conquer, firstly it stops the oppressed from being able to function as a coherent unit, secondly, and in many ways this is more important, it tarnishes their image, it makes people say things like 'why should we help them, they're savages, they're killing each other', i saw it in south africa, i see it here too.

here's a cartoon i thought was fitting :

http://www.mg.co.za/ContentImages/311166/13-jun07x.gif

[ashyr]

oh my god. that poor girl "Rachel Corrie"
what a truely horrible event.

my heart goes out to her.

[ngawaka19]

devide and conquer....a most effective war tactic. It worked in my country, thanks for your comments lumukanda. Would love to ask you what you think the solution is......but admittedly, that is a far reaching question. with respect
ngawaka

[lumukanda]

devide and conquer....a most effective war tactic. It worked in my country, thanks for your comments lumukanda. Would love to ask you what you think the solution is......but admittedly, that is a far reaching question. with respect
ngawaka

my solution? well firstly i'd send all the azaknazi jews back where they came from and disband the state of israel, but that'll never happen, plus in the resulting power vaccum we'd probably find 'al queda' or some or other group taking over, and we'd probably see a new kind of occupation. all said and done, it's a fuckup.
i suppose it once again all boils down to respect, neither side respects the other, we often hear how palestine should show israel that they are serious, as the occupying force, and the stronger of the two nations, you'd expect the israelis to be the one to show some goodwill, but to anyone who's ever met an israeli, they are the most stubborn people in the world, add to that the complete victim status they have claimed for themselves, they're not going to budge, and all the while palestinians are dying, many like dogs in the streets, and i'll say it again, neither fatah, nor hamas is the answer.

[december]

devide and conquer....a most effective war tactic. It worked in my country, thanks for your comments lumukanda. Would love to ask you what you think the solution is......but admittedly, that is a far reaching question. with respect
ngawaka

Hello, ngawaka19.
The Jewish state organized the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people since the day it come to exist.

Israeli Theft of Palestinian Lands

http://jewwatch.com/images/gif-palestinian-loss-of-lan.jpg

Proof of West Bank Theft

Tel Aviv, Israel - The Israeli colonizing movement in the occupied West Bank is practically thievery, wrapped in false "security" arguments. The report published this week, by the Israeli left wing organization "Peace Now" provides the statistical and legal infrastructure and the basic database for what we -- journalists, human rights organizations, liberal minded Israelis, and every Israeli with a grain of moral and ethical values -- have known for many years.

The Peace Now report revealed that nearly 40% of land on which Jewish settlements sit is private land. It was confiscated from private Palestinian owners. This is in contrast to "state" land. The difference between "private" and "state" doesn't make a big difference for national Palestinian aspirations.

The systematic confiscation by the Israeli occupying authorities of land originated from both ownerships aims to undermine the idea that the Palestinian state, if and when it is established, could be a viable entity. But it does make a legal difference. As an occupying force, Israel, from the international, legal point of view is the legal heir to land and property owned by the previous owner -- the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, which ruled the West Bank until 1967. Legally, though not morally, Israel has been entitled to use the state and public lands, according to its needs, without, however, changing or determining the final status of the lands. But it is illegal, immoral and corrupt to confiscate land from its private owners and hand it to new ones.

The Israeli colonizing campaign in the West Bank has witnessed several stages. First, after the Six Day War (1967) under Labor governments, it inherited state and public lands. Small parts of it were used usually for genuine state security needs. Military bases and posts were built on the land.

By nature they were supposed to be temporary and handed over if a peace agreement would have been signed. The Arab states, though, refused to recognize Israel, to negotiate, and sign a peace treaty. After 1977 when the right wing Likud government led by Menachem Begin came to power, the policy changed. From now, the state land was not used any longer for "state security" needs. The land was given to private Jewish owners- organizations representing he extreme right religious zealots of the "Bloc of Faithful". They built on the land more and more settlements and slowly but surely with government's support, extended and expanded their areas, which were under their control. Since the early 1980', a third stage began.

Private lands were confiscated from their Palestinian owners for supposedly "state and public needs". But in most cases, as the report shows -- the arguments given were flat lies. The confiscated land was appropriated not for public or security necessities but to accommodate the Jewish colonizing movement.

Yet, the colonizing policy is not irreversible. We saw from the dismantle of Jewish settlements a year ago in Gaza that if there is a strong and determined Israeli leader, like Premier Ariel Sharon, such a step is doable and can be repeated in the West Bank too.

The problem is, however, that Israeli and Palestinians policies and desires are incompatible. Like two parallels, they have never met. When Israel was generous and accommodating and ready to compromise - like in the 1967-1977 decade, the PLO still was carried away by inflamed rhetoric of destroying Israel and rejectionist attitude. When the PLO changed in the 1990's, Israel was not that generous and less ready to make concessions. And once again when Premier Ehud Barak, supported and encouraged by President Bill Clinton in Camp David 2000, was ready to reach a comprehensive and far reaching agreement with the Palestinians it was once again Arafat who said no. Instead Arafat instructed to launch a new round of violence - the second Intifada - and refueled the Israeli-Palestinian flames. This led to a new vicious circle of Palestinian suicide bombing attacks and Israeli targeted killings and aerial bombings and, more importantly, to the election of a Hamas government.

As I see it now, the number one problem is to ignite the peace process. To start talking. This can happen only if Hamas accepts the three conditions set by the Israeli government and the Bush administration and accepted by the "Quartet" (Russia, EU, UN and USA): to recognize the right of Israel, to stop terrorism and to honor agreements signed by previous Palestinian governments. But so far Hamas refuses to do it. In order to accept these conditions Hamas has to change its "spots" -- its manifesto and ideology; in other words, it has to change its very nature. Once it happens -- and at the moment I am very pessimistic, or shall I say, I'm rather realistic -- the land and the settlements would be a secondary obstacle. It will be very painful for Israel to dismantle more than 100 settlements and relocate and resettle 250,00 Jewish inhabitants. To do so Israel might face a "mini" civil war, but the majority of Israelis are ready to make the sacrifice and concession. It will be doable but one needs two for tango.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/yossi_melman/2006/11/proof_of_west_bank_theft.html

[lumukanda]

non biased info december, i know it's hard, but i know you can do it!

EDIT : my info is hardly unbiased either, i retract the above statement with apologies.

[ngawaka19]

Thank you both for the information and december for the extra links. I'm flatak at the moment (as usual) but am planning to take a nice quiet couple of hours to read and look at links later.

I feel that both of you have given me your truths and this will help me begin to understand alittle more about this terrible ongoing war. I'll stay open to both opinions.

Though your opinions differ, it is clear to me that you both care and are passionate about, the 'innocent family's and most of all the children' who have to suffer at the hands of the power mungers. These people have suffered so much. I could never imagine watching a family member being rubbed out before my very eyes. Unbelievably, it is common in this area of the world and I feel for those family's over there, from all sides, who just want peace and don't want any more war. Bless them all.
love and light