why green?

[houdini]

im just wondering why mr icke has a website and a forum that is a pretty green colour?
is it something to do with THE GREEN LODGE he is a member of?

[new king of the mountain]

im just wondering why mr icke has a website and a forum that is a pretty green colour?
is it something to do with THE GREEN LODGE he is a member of?

That's quite an allegation. Do you have any reason to believe Icke is a member of a "GREEN LODGE"?

[houdini]

the green party for one.
and the fact he threatens other researchers about getting them banned on radio.
oh....and saying he was outing other people he knew were masons, which he never did
oh...and the fact he never seems to say he is NOT a mason or wasn't ever one.

[johnpeters]

Dave left the Green Party years ago when he realised they didn't really give a dam about green issues.

[houdini]

where did i say he was still a member of the green party?

[sunstone]

Green is a balancing colour and also the colour of the Heart Chakra! Has to be the right shade also! I was on another site which had a Green background, was not a nice shade of Green and most everyone complained about it so much they had to change it! I find the colour on this site very soothing and calming, seems it doesnt work with everyone though...........maybe they should open up their heart chakras a little to get the benefit of it! :)

[houdini]

so he chose green because its suposedly the colour of the heart charkra huh?

[fryertuck]

http://www.deigrengsuessem.lu/logo%20greng.gif

[sunstone]

so he chose green because its suposedly the colour of the heart charkra huh?

Thats not what I said! :) But it maybe why he chose it who knows.........only he would know why! And even if you asked David WHY he may not be able to tell you, some things just are, after all does it really matter why? :) I mean I chose red curtains for my windows..........why? I havent a scooby, I just did........very simple! :)

[amar7]

maybe he chose it, because it is my fav colour ^^

[houdini]

maybe he chose it cause his name is still on the green parties document memos they send out.
and i never said that you said he picked green because of charkras. i just asked the question.
im waiting for him to answer what degree he is or what he got to.

[limelady]

im just wondering why mr icke has a website and a forum that is a pretty green colour?
is it something to do with THE GREEN LODGE he is a member of?

The Green and yellow combination is great, but it wouldn't have mattered what website colours David (or his webmaster) chose - there would always be those who would look for fault in it or accuse him of something via colour association. For instance blue (Blue Lodge Freemason), Red and Blue combo (33 degree Mason), Blue yellow (NWO, Jesuit, OTO), Red (Satan, Royalty), Black (Satanic/Lucifer), Purple (Royal bloodline Mind-control, pedophillia), Pink (Gay activism), Green (Druids) etc, etc.

My point is, you cannot judge a website owner merely by the colours they have chosen for their site. Instead, a truth seeker will always look for classic symbolism in addition to fully considering the other material on the website. This (in addition to using common sense and intuition) is a better way of ascertaining the nature of the website and its owner. I think the calibre of Davids life-work (exposing the underbelly of the agenda) is the best indication to anyone seriously wanting know where David directs his energy.

Besides, I like the colours on this site.....they are easy on the eye and they go nicely with what I'm wearing most days. ;)

Lime

[lookfar]

The Green and yellow combination is great, but it wouldn't have mattered what website colours David (or his webmaster) chose - there would always be those who would look for fault in it or accuse him of something via colour association. For instance blue (Blue Lodge Freemason), Red and Blue combo (33 degree Mason), Blue yellow (NWO, Jesuit, OTO), Red (Satan, Royalty), Black (Satanic/Lucifer), Purple (Royal bloodline Mind-control, pedophillia), Pink (Gay activism), Green (Druids) etc, etc.

My point is, you cannot judge a website owner merely by the colours they have chosen for their site. Instead, a truth seeker will always look for classic symbolism in addition to fully considering the other material on the website. This (in addition to using common sense and intuition) is a better way of ascertaining the nature of the website and its owner. I think the calibre of Davids life-work (exposing the underbelly of the agenda) is the best indication to anyone seriously wanting know where David directs his energy.

Besides, I like the colours on this site.....they are easy on the eye and they go nicely with what I'm wearing most days. ;)

Lime

Hi Lime

I agree with what you say here and I also like the colour. It's also the same colour used in The Matrix :)

[houdini]

"My point is, you cannot judge a website owner merely by the colours they have chosen for their site."

im not, i asked if he used it because of the green lodge.
i also asked why he wont answer the question about his freemason, or previous freemason status...but no one has an answer for that.
and seeing as we arent allowed to ask why he doesnt come here (opps!) he cant very well answer the question can he.
he'll never answer the question in public on air because he cant deny it, they arent allowed to, so they say?

i like green too by the way, but im or was not a member of the green party or the green lodge.

[purple is a fruit]

maybe he chose it cause his name is still on the green parties document memos they send out.
and i never said that you said he picked green because of charkras. i just asked the question.
im waiting for him to answer what degree he is or what he got to.

Hi houdini

are you good at disappearing acts like your name would imply?
If so....can you prove it?

[houdini]

hi purple is a fruit

are you good at not seeing the relevance of simple questions that no one has an answer for?
if so can you prove it again?, so i can make sure.

abracadabra *vanish*!!!

[eternal_spirit]

lol houdini you need to read some of Icke's work to understand the information he gives on freemasonry. After reading this it would put any sane person from becoming involved in freemasonry.

Btw great name and pic Limelady.

[oneofmany]

I think Houdini has a relevant question, one which has been bothering me too.
I've heard it on the Internet before about David possibly being a Freemason as his father was supposedly. All I want to know is if there is any truth to this or is it all dis-info to muddy the waters. I personally don't mind if he was for who better to expose it all than a former insider. Please let us know one way or the other as this thing could become an issue if not addressed.

[eternal_spirit]

houdini have you any proof that Icke is a Mason ? I doubt it.

[oneofmany]

lol houdini you need to read some of Icke's work to understand the information he gives on freemasonry. After reading this it would put any sane person from becoming involved in freemasonry.

Btw great name and pic Limelady.

I have read his books and i have questions

[houdini]

1) he was asked in an interview and dodged the question.
2) i have 7 of his books and 10 dvds that are either his or he is in.
3) you dont enter politics unless you are a brother

and like oneofmany said if he is/was, and is exposing them, then what has he to hide by not admitting it?

if you are second generation you can go to the 32nd, if you are 3rd generation you can get to the 33rd and then start hitting the real degrees.

i actually dont think he is a mason, nothing above Master Mason anyway.

[king]

im just wondering why mr icke has a website and a forum that is a pretty green colour?
is it something to do with THE GREEN LODGE he is a member of?

what is a green lodge?

[sean]

Was this thread posted in the wrong section? The humour section is below...

[misscpb]

Green is also the colour of growth and I would suspect the inner aspect with regards to David related to his gift for being what I would say a spiritual type of teacher, and yellow is also relevant very much for learning and upliftment.

[houdini]

Was this thread posted in the wrong section? The humour section is below...

no it wasnt.
do you find this thread humorous?

[oneofmany]

I personally don't think he is or was a Freemason either, but these pesky Internet rumours don't seem to go away in a hurry. If David answered the question, the rumour would go away. Seems only logical to me.

[sean]

no it wasnt.
do you find this thread humorous?

In a word: Yes

The green website wasn't his idea actually, although he approved it once he had seen the design.

[houdini]

cool...
that was pretty easy, it only took 3 pages to get the answer to the question thats the title of the thread.
so if ya can ask him to answer the other questions on his next radio interview seeing as we are not allowed to ask if he is coming in here to answer our questions that would plenty spiffing of ya.
cheers:cool:

[thirdwave]

im just wondering why mr icke has a website and a forum that is a pretty green colour?
is it something to do with THE GREEN LODGE he is a member of?

why "houdini"?

[thirdwave]

I personally don't think he is or was a Freemason either, but these pesky Internet rumours don't seem to go away in a hurry. If David answered the question, the rumour would go away. Seems only logical to me.

no it would not because the rumor was not started by curiosity it was started by assassination....

[oneofmany]

no it would not because the rumor was not started by curiosity it was started by assassination....
That's very cryptic, please elaborate

[freespark]

no it would not because the rumor was not started by curiosity it was started by assassination....

Got it in one. The underlying intention for all of this so called humour and 'free speech'. It all has one agenda. Anyone with half a brain can see it.

Oh wait...no wait. I'm paranoid. Scuse me. :D

[houdini]

no.
wrong.
if i wanted to try to assassinate someones character i wouldnt ask questions i would simple state some bullshit and try and belittle the person to the best of my ability
what i have done is ask a question
the webmaster gave an answer to the first question, and it seems that the colour was not chosen by david but approved.
do i look like i have a problem with that? have i said "i dont bellieve you webmaster i think you are full of rubbish"??
no
i accepted the answer?...errr..and there seems to be a problem with that.
the second question is quite relevant.
and if it was answered by the person it refers to, in a way that can be classed as honest and even in public to a camera then this question would end up in the same place as the first question that the webmaster so kindly answered
now if asking a question like this offends you well im not sorry becasue its not like i asked what colour undies ya wearing and do you prefer frills or lace?
no i didnt.
so i look forward to the next attempt on my character assassination, which frankly i dont care about and will answer prob 99% of questions

[freespark]

no.
wrong.
if i wanted to try to assassinate someones character i wouldnt ask questions i would simple state some bullshit and try and belittle the person to the best of my ability
what i have done is ask a question
the webmaster gave an answer to the first question, and it seems that the colour was not chosen by david but approved.
do i look like i have a problem with that? have i said "i dont bellieve you webmaster i think you are full of rubbish"??
no
i accepted the answer?...errr..and there seems to be a problem with that.
the second question is quite relevant.
and if it was answered by the person it refers to, in a way that can be classed as honest and even in public to a camera then this question would end up in the same place as the first question that the webmaster so kindly answered
now if asking a question like this offends you well im not sorry becasue its not like i asked what colour undies ya wearing and do you prefer frills or lace?
no i didnt.
so i look forward to the next atempt on my character assassination, which frankly i dont care about and will answer prob 99% of questions

Who cares why the colour Green was chosen? Really. Who cares? Oh, of course how could i forget. You care.

Go 'create' another reality for yourself and worry about more important things. Or have you nothing else going on in your head?

;)

[houdini]

errr did you not read what i said re: the colour green?
do i need to say it again?
no... why dont you go and create another reality and worry about rubbing a crystal or something...jeez.

shall w keep trading insults, shall i keep answering the same question over and over and over and over about the colour green?
look i'll say it once more:
the webmaster gave an answer to the first question, and it seems that the colour was not chosen by david but approved.
do i look like i have a problem with that? have i said "i dont believe you webmaster i think you are full of rubbish"??
no
i accepted the answer?...errr..and there seems to be a problem with that.

now i'll say this bit again, a little slower this time:
the... second ...question.. is.. quite.. relevant.. and.. if.. it.. was.. answered.. by.. the.. person.. it.. refers.. to, in.. a.. way.. that.. can.. be.. classed.. as.. honest.. and.. even.. in.. public.. to.. a.. camera.. then.. this.. question.. would.. end.. up.. in.. the.. same.. place.. as.. the.. first.. question.. that.. the.. webmaster.. so.. kindly.. answered..

now
again
i'll look forward to the next time you need to be told what i mean

[freespark]

im just wondering why mr icke has a website and a forum that is a pretty green colour?
is it something to do with THE GREEN LODGE he is a member of?

This is a loaded question. Don't act like it's not. Ask yourself why you chose this particular manner in which to ask this question.

Ah yes. I see.

And i very much doubt if you really wanted the answer, but rather to stir trouble.

It's very transparent. And so are you.

[sean]

Guys no need to get so heated. This thread is about why the website is green yes?

Houdini, this forum isn't the place to ask or engage in a dialogue with David, so its unlikely you'll get an answer, unless myself or one of the other moderators knows the answer in the firstplace.

I'm sorry about that. But I did make it clear from the outset.

Thanks.

[freespark]

Guys no need to get so heated. This thread is about why the website is green yes?

Houdini, this forum isn't the place to ask or engage in a dialogue with David, so its unlikely you'll get an answer, unless myself or one of the other moderators knows the answer in the firstplace.

I'm sorry about that. But I did make it clear from the outset.

Thanks.

Yes he does seem to be getting a little upset doesn't he.

:)

[thirdwave]

That's very cryptic, please elaborate


is there any need to elaborate?, anyone with half a brain can see there have always been people out to get Ickes work... because they don't feel comfy with the waves it makes... hence desporet not to revile info to others to intake... but to force views and judgment.... and thats ugly, as we can see.

what kind of an idiot would really think that starting up a rumor that Icke is a Freemason will have any substance to it at all other than fools looking to stir rubbish?...

many people are so desperate for info and to learn more so they feel they are safer... and this is how they are fucked with...

David Icke has spent many many years letting people know about how groups like the Freemasons manipulate and abuse man kind.... to the point he is ridiculed for sounding crazy in his accusations...

so what is the big reason the Freemasons would send people out to let other know about their crimes?

thinking like that you can go on for ever... but what if HE is dis info?? ....but what if HE is dis info.... yeah but what if HE is dis info...

if there is anyone foolish enough to follow this pattern then by all means go for your life... but for me its very clear you have ..Source.... Source reviled... and thats where it ends for me... anything else is just un necessary confusion which is started by the confused or the guilty...

David Icke answering questions on this forum would do nothing apart from drain his energy dry, and I am totally not surprised he does not want to converse on chat rooms... look at the prats here already, do they look like the conversing type?.

[oneofmany]

is there any need to elaborate?, anyone with half a brain can see there have always been people out to get Ickes work... because they don't feel comfy with the waves it makes... hence desporet not to revile info to others to intake... but to force views and judgment.... and thats ugly, as we can see.

what kind of an idiot would really think that starting up a rumor that Icke is a Freemason will have any substance to it at all other than fools looking to stir rubbish?...

many people are so desperate for info and to learn more so they feel they are safer... and this is how they are fucked with...

David Icke has spent many many years letting people know about how groups like the Freemasons manipulate and abuse man kind.... to the point he is ridiculed for sounding crazy in his accusations...

so what is the big reason the Freemasons would send people out to let other know about their crimes?

thinking like that you can go on for ever... but what if HE is dis info?? ....but what if HE is dis info.... yeah but what if HE is dis info...

if there is anyone foolish enough to follow this pattern then by all means go for your life... but for me its very clear you have ..Source.... Source reviled... and thats where it ends for me... anything else is just un necessary confusion which is started by the confused or the guilty...

David Icke answering questions on this forum would do nothing apart from drain his energy dry, and I am totally not surprised he does not want to converse on chat rooms... look at the prats here already, do they look like the conversing type?.

What's with the insults about my brain capacity? I still think it's a legitimate question that probably won't be answered. It's pretty simple really, the people that admire David's work would take his answer at face value and that would be that, the others are the ones you are talking about and are irrelevant to his work or his following and should be treated as such.

Really guys I can't see why everyone is getting up in arms about this for.

P.S Im not asking david to answer the question on this forum. also your very judgemental mate. you seek your answers your way and leave me to mine.

have a nice day

[a fine naked fellow]

I like green. What are we talking about?

[houdini]

unbeleivable.....
read the thread

[a fine naked fellow]

Man, do you ever get the feeling people should relax?

[thirdwave]

What's with the insults about my brain capacity? I still think it's a legitimate question that probably won't be answered. It's pretty simple really, the people that admire David's work would take his answer at face value and that would be that, the others are the ones you are talking about and are irrelevant to his work or his following and should be treated as such.

Really guys I can't see why everyone is getting up in arms about this for.

P.S Im not asking david to answer the question on this forum. also your very judgemental mate. you seek your answers your way and leave me to mine.

have a nice day

I have not insulted anyone... I have expressed a clear fact.

and you STILL want to question the most silly question....

you answer my question then I can answer yours.... why would getting somone to focus huge amounts of attention to Freemasons and their crimes benefit the Freemasons??

after all, you are the one with the big accusations.. David ic only to happy to discuss his accusations but finds it quite hard to get enough exposure to do so... funny that! ... but if you have a knew accusation then please educate us with this hidden knowledge you have, and where it came about.

can you see how it sounds a bit strange.... its like me starting up a gang that rape people and keeping it secret for so many years... then hiring a man to go around telling everyone to look out for our crimes...

please explain

[purple is a fruit]

Slience is incriminating?
Guilty until proven innocent?

we are all entitled to an opinion and without intending to offend, I think this is one of the worst posts I have read to date

[thirdwave]

but there is as much evidence that David is a Freemason as there is you being one....

so either way its a bit of a dead end argument.

I guess we will just have to judge a tree by its fruit,

meaning you are a person on a thread going on and on about stuff with no foundations to them, and David Icke is a person who has inspired many people to doubt their govenment and the structure in which we live in.... and seeing as its falling apart I would say its quite handy info.

[oneofmany]

I have not insulted anyone... I have expressed a clear fact.

and you STILL want to question the most silly question....

you answer my question then I can answer yours.... why would getting somone to focus huge amounts of attention to Freemasons and their crimes benefit the Freemasons??

after all, you are the one with the big accusations.. David ic only to happy to discuss his accusations but finds it quite hard to get enough exposure to do so... funny that! ... but if you have a knew accusation then please educate us with this hidden knowledge you have, and where it came about.

can you see how it sounds a bit strange.... its like me starting up a gang that rape people and keeping it secret for so many years... then hiring a man to go around telling everyone to look out for our crimes...

please explain to answer your question, it wouldn't, but I never said what David is doing was meant to. When did i say that David worked for the Freemasons?. I think you need to re read my posts because I've never accused David of anything.
I've only stated that i heard rumours on the Internet that i would like clarification on, I did however suggest that if he was a former Freemason, that who better to expose them, nothing more. You definitely see way too much into things

[johnpeters]

houdini have you any proof that Icke is a Mason ? I doubt it.

I can happily report that Dave is definately not a mason. Free or otherwise.

[houdini]

so what you are saying is that david explicitly denied to you directly to your face that he was not and has never ever been a mason?.

if he has, then there would be no harm in him coming out to the public and saying this to a camera then would there.....

maybe someone should organize a video camera and an interviewer so he can look straight down the barrel while everyone can see the interviewer ask him the question and see him looking them straight in the eyes and saying the word "NO" when the question is asked.

now you can all jump in here and start raving on about what this post is saying and asking, and how its just stupid blah blah.
but it is a important question and if he has nothing to hide then i dont see what the problem is.
oh..thats right, he doesnt have to explain himself or answer questions he doesnt want to.....not even ones that could stop rumours quick smart.
hey, i actually like his stuff......god knows i spent enough money on it.

masons cannot deny that they are masons apparently, so why is he following a masonic trait by not answering the question?.

[stikmata]

the question to me isn't why green... but rather, why NOT turquoise!?!?!?

that IS the color of the universe... i never heard Dave recant that.

[teslafire]

the question to me isn't why green... but rather, why NOT turquoise!?!?!?

that IS the color of the universe... i never heard Dave recant that.

Hmmm...that's interesting stikmata, do you perchance have a verifiable reference for that claim?

[jimijams]

the question to me isn't why green... but rather, why NOT turquoise!?!?!?

that IS the color of the universe... i never heard Dave recant that.
It's true! Baba Credo Mutwa confirmed it!:D

[stikmata]

Hmmm...that's interesting stikmata, do you perchance have a verifiable reference for that claim?

do i lose freedom points if i don't?

[teslafire]

do i lose freedom points if i don't?

All I asked for was a reference, its common sense thing to ask.

:)

[stikmata]

All I asked for was a reference, its common sense thing to ask.

:)

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/24/26/

hows that?

i figured you were being sarcastic... i assumed you were familar... do i need to reference the sky being blue?

[houdini]

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/826/icketurquoiserm5.pnghttp://

have no idea what this is gonna look like...but....mehhh

[houdini]

dohhhhh
stik..its certainly easier at ET to host a bloody image

[teslafire]

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/24/26/

hows that?

i figured you were being sarcastic... i assumed you were familar... do i need to reference the sky being blue?

:p

Thanks for the reference, I can't believe I missed that, before my time I think.

[stikmata]

respect your elders son

[oceanwave]

i like green too

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6679/marijuanyo3.jpg

:D

[stikmata]

cheers Owave... good to see you over here ;) any infractions yet?

[houdini]

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/826/icketurquoiserm5.png

fcuked if i know.....
thats from when he gave stuff out for free, i printed it out knowing the day would come where we'd have to pay for most of his stuff.
in the words of chefs dad....."god damn three fiddy"

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2002/turquoise2.html
been deleted or something

[stikmata]

watch your language Harry

[houdini]

:eek: just realised i printed it on green paper:eek:
if ya want the second page where he rambles on some more i'll scan it.

[houdini]

good god did i just infringe on a copyright!!!!:eek:

sorry stik (fcuked is bad language?:p)

[oceanwave]

cheers Owave... good to see you over here ;) any infractions yet?

i lost about 8/9 posts cos of thread deletions...

...and you know i hate that

...as, you also know, i put a lotta thought, time into em

...oh well...

:harris:

:D

[richmick]

My god, i think this thread is quite unsettling, in how some of the mods have behaved towards inquiring minds. I mean, what's with all the insults from the likes of thirdwave, insinuating that people are idiots for asking the wrong questions, obviously wrong according to him, with others using condecending and patronising comments to somehow gain the moral high ground, when all this does is stiffle objective debate and would detract any sense of moral fibre being flexed.

It's crazy how angry and obnoxious some mods can be, towards people who are not afraid to ask the hard questions. When are people gonna learn, this isn't about david icke, he brings a message, take from it what you will, but he ain't babaji yeah know.

Blind faith is a bad thing. To question, question, question life and reason is healthy. But here, you question and a barrage of insults, low blows and venim are spat out at the truthseeker. It's not good:(

[tonto o_reilly]

I would like to remind that Thirdwave has only recently become a mod on this forum. His job as a mod and his opinion are two different things.
We as mods are here to moderate the forum, and only intervene as a mod if necessary to do so in accordance with the guidelines.
We are also people and we are entitled to our opinions.

Thanks
TO

[richmick]

I would like to remind that Thirdwave has only recently become a mod on this forum. His job as a mod and his opinion are two different things.
We as mods are here to moderate the forum, and only intervene as a mod if necessary to do so in accordance with the guidelines.
We are also people and we are entitled to our opinions also.

Thanks
TO


I'm all for people having an opinion, but to attack another member, with insults, low blows, sarcasism and ridicule, is trolling. Well, that's what i've been led to believe. Opinions are good, constructive debate is good. But what i've read here, is not:(

[tonto o_reilly]

although his opinion may be strong in some cases and in your opinion you deem it trolling, Thirdwaves job as a moderator is seperate to his opinion on this forum. He also has to follow the guidelines set out at the top of the forum and will be treated in the same way as others if the guidelines are not followed.There is no bias here, I hope this clarifies your concerns.

Thanks TO

[richmick]

although his opinion may be strong in some cases and in your opinion you deem it trolling, Thirdwaves job as a moderator is seperate to his opinion on this forum. He also has to follow te guidelines set out at the top of the forum and will be treated in the same way as others if the guidelines are not followded.There is no bias here, I hope this clarifies your concerns.

Thanks TO


Well, as i said in my post, i've been led to believe this is trolling, simply by observing the forum rules. This is the forums definition of trolling, not necassarily mine. So i'm observing a moderator, neglecting to observe the forum rules. Who moderates the moderators, because it is quite obvious they too, can fall guilty of trolling, but they are not brought to account. Is that really fair?????

[tonto o_reilly]

I am not about to enter into an argument about how this forum is moderated.
I cant see how you would even know if thirdwave was in fact warned or spoken to about this matter? You are simply assuming here.So therefore a dead argument.
If you have any problems with the moderators please contact the webmaster Sean or myself or another moderator

Thanks
TO

[richmick]

I am not about to enter into an argument about how this forum is moderated.
I cant see how you would even know if thirdwave was in fact warned or spoken to about this matter? You are simply assuming here.So therefore a dead argument.
If you have any problems with the moderators please contact the webmaster Sean or myself or another moderator

Thanks
TO


oh stick your dummy back in tonto. This is what i mean, like banging your head against a brick wall lol. Do your yourself a favour, and all your precious little mods and ban me. I have no intention of leaving just yet, i'll fight the good cause lol, something i'm sure is lost on you. So ban me and save yourself the grief. If you spoke to him, what's the big secret, why dont you just say you have and lets have an end to it. But no, that;s just to simple isn't it, why would you:p

life is very simple, it's people who complicate it:p

[limelady]

oh stick your dummy back in tonto. This is what i mean, like banging your head against a brick wall lol. Do your yourself a favour, and all your precious little mods and ban me. I have no intention of leaving just yet, i'll fight the good cause lol, something i'm sure is lost on you. So ban me and save yourself the grief. If you spoke to him, what's the big secret, why dont you just say you have and lets have an end to it. But no, that;s just to simple isn't it, why would you:p

life is very simple, it's people who complicate it:p

richmich please don't get so angry here.

O.K., I have just reviewed the posts you are questioning, and although thirdwave was not a moderator at that time, I didn't (at the time) consider his comments were those of a deliberate "troll" or I would have said something then. However, the posts he was responding to did have a certain 'troll-like' ring to them.

Perhaps his choice of words could have been different, but I do believe he was making a valid point.

Nobody wants to deduct any points off anybody here, but if this conversation continues too much longer I can see this might eventuate, so please ty and calm things down here.

Peace folks, peace.

[richmick]

richmich please don't get so angry here.

O.K., I have just reviewed the posts you are questioning, and although thirdwave was not a moderator at that time, I didn't (at the time) consider his comments were those of a deliberate "troll" or I would have said something then. However, the posts he was responding to did have a certain 'troll-like' ring to them.

Perhaps his choice of words could have been different, but I do believe he was making a valid point.

Nobody wants to deduct any points off anybody here, but if this conversation continues too much longer I can see this might eventuate, so please ty and calm things down here.

Peace folks, peace.

Limelady , you seem like a nice person, but behind your words are veiled threats to ban me, or deplete my forum life here, but i cannot change who i am. We live in a syatem built on rules and regulations, that stiffle the humanity out of us, they de-humanise us. Threats, manipulation, fear, control, it's all part of the old world. I am me, i am free, and i'll speak my mind when i see fit. I'm tired of all the different forms of control, even here. If i am to be banned, so be it. It just is what it is. I'll move on. But when i observe, what i perceive as an injustice, i will speak out about it. That's who i am. I think tonto was rather rude, and should have realised, what we throw out comes straight back to us. Now, quite frankly, i would personally like icke to denounce these claims about him being a freemason, i've never heard of that before, but now i have, it would be good to hear it from his own mouth.

I wont of course and the ickerites are gonna get their knickers in a twist now, but sod it, it's just my opinion:p

[limelady]

Hi richmick

Please rest assured I am most certainly NOT threatening to ban you. However, part of my job description as a forum moderator is to moderate this forum in the manner in which I have been asked.

All I asked of you was that you please calm down and don't be so angry. You are of course welcome to have any opinion you like, provided the way you express it and the intention behind it is not to deliberately insult other forum members or constantly disrupt threads.

Please feel free to keep posting your opinions with the understanding.

Lime

[jimijams]

I have not insulted anyone... I have expressed a clear fact.

and you STILL want to question the most silly question....

you answer my question then I can answer yours.... why would getting somone to focus huge amounts of attention to Freemasons and their crimes benefit the Freemasons??

after all, you are the one with the big accusations.. David ic only to happy to discuss his accusations but finds it quite hard to get enough exposure to do so... funny that! ... but if you have a knew accusation then please educate us with this hidden knowledge you have, and where it came about.

can you see how it sounds a bit strange.... its like me starting up a gang that rape people and keeping it secret for so many years... then hiring a man to go around telling everyone to look out for our crimes...

please explain
I'll have a crack at answering that..

None of the information David has talked about on the Masons is new, David is more a collector and compiler of information from other researchers, so rehashing this information again can do them no real harm..

It's where he takes you with that information that is crucial ie. it's all an illusion anyway, don't worry about it cause nothing is real, this is what could benefit the Masons.
I don't mean this as an attack on David I'm only trying to answer your question by using critical thinking, which I know David encourages.

And I have also seen David use this quote which may be appropriate - "The slave escapes her bonds to find a stronger set of chains"

Jimi

[chocky pud]

None of the information David has talked about on the Masons is new, David is more a collector and compiler of information from other researchers, so rehashing this information again can do them no real harm..

So jimi, are you trying to say in your opinion that you don't think that David Icke exposing the Illuminati agenda? Are you seriously saying that at this particular point in history, and with all the exposure David and his work is getting (through his numerous books, forums, interviews, TV shows etc) he is NOT making any appreciable dent in exposing the illuminat/NWO agenda?


It's where he takes you with that information that is crucial ie. it's all an illusion anyway, don't worry about it cause nothing is real, this is what could benefit the Masons.
I don't mean this as an attack on David I'm only trying to answer your question by using critical thinking, which I know David encourages.

Can you please clarify what you are saying here? Although you say you are not making an "attack" on David, If I'm not mistaken, you are suggesting that David could well be leading us all up the garden path? Is this correct?


And I have also seen David use this quote which may be appropriate - "The slave escapes her bonds to find a stronger set of chains"

May I ask in what context David used this quote? Have you a reference you could show us?

[jimijams]

Now, quite frankly, i would personally like icke to denounce these claims about him being a freemason, i've never heard of that before, but now i have, it would be good to hear it from his own mouth.
Why should he ? If he did deny it how could that clear it up in your mind? If he really is a freemason do you think he would admit it?
Don't put too much stock in any researcher is my advice, take what ever resonates with you personally mixed with a healthy dose of scepticism and take it from there.

jimi

[jimijams]

So jimi, are you trying to say in your opinion that you don't think that David Icke exposing the Illuminati agenda? Are you seriously saying that at this particular point in history, and with all the exposure David and his work is getting (through his numerous books, forums, interviews, TV shows etc) he is NOT making any appreciable dent in exposing the illuminat/NWO agenda?
Maybe, although I doubt it, seems to going full steam ahead at the moment.. Get off the internet and go and talk to people in the street if you want to find out just how exposed the 'Illuminati agenda' really is..

Can you please clarify what you are saying here? Although you say you are not making an "attack" on David, If I'm not mistaken, you are suggesting that David could well be leading us all up the garden path? Is this correct?
Could well be, but it's up to you to decide for yourself. I was just putting forth a hypothetical for arguments sake..

May I ask in what context David used this quote? Have you a reference you could show us?
Look very closely at the bottom of this header and you'll find it.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9196/dihead2cft0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[chocky pud]

Thanks for the response jimi.

I'm seeing this present situation a bit differently I guess. I know what you are saying about the Illuminati agenda still in full swing 'out there', but I see this more of a final push on their part as more and more people are awakening. To me its like a BIG boil coming to a head, and at some point its going to burst.

Of course nobody can predict the outcome at this stage, but I have the feeling when things finally burst, much of the currently "unrevealed" will be exposed for exactly what it is, and at that point people will intuitively know what direction they must go.

As you say, all we can do is follow our own inner guidance.....and I will add, hope like hell we're on the right track. :) .

I hope this doesn't post twice. I tried to repair a mistake before it got posted!!!:eek: Apologies if it does.

[jimijams]

Thanks for the response jimi.

Your welcome..

[oneofmany]

richmich please don't get so angry here.

O.K., I have just reviewed the posts you are questioning, and although thirdwave was not a moderator at that time, I didn't (at the time) consider his comments were those of a deliberate "troll" or I would have said something then. However, the posts he was responding to did have a certain 'troll-like' ring to them.

Perhaps his choice of words could have been different, but I do believe he was making a valid point.

Nobody wants to deduct any points off anybody here, but if this conversation continues too much longer I can see this might eventuate, so please ty and calm things down here.

Peace folks, peace.

He was responding to my posts and i do believe he was way off the mark.
As i said to him, Re Read my posts again and you tell me if i was being a troll. If you think asking a question about something you've heard is trolling, then I can't see myself sticking around too much longer, which is a shame because the idea of this place was excellent, pity about the execution. Literally :cool:

[trinity1]

RIP Houdini. Another one bites the dust. What happened to him??? Banned for what reason?

[thirdwave]

RIP Houdini. Another one bites the dust. What happened to him??? Banned for what reason?

another one does bite the dust, we are getting there....

I have looked at his account, he was given 2 warnings for repeatedly hijacking other peoples threads and creating arguments... and still continued to do so.

other posters should be free to post what they like with out having their threads hi jacked and taken away from them by other posters.... very annoying for other posters and unnecessary...

[trinity1]

another one does bite the dust, we are getting there....

I have looked at his account, he was given 2 warnings for repeatedly hijacking other peoples threads and creating arguments... and still continued to do so.

other posters should be free to post what they like with out having their threads hi jacked and taken away from them by other posters.... very annoying for other posters and unnecessary...

You are getting there eh? So your objective is basically to ban anyone who doesn't toe the party line eh? Nice! Good job! But worry not, I can guarantee that you will get rid of one, only for him to be replaced by five more - not a thread of any kind, just seems pretty obvious to me.

Pray tell, how does one "hijack" a thread and "take it away" from other posters simply by posting on it? Oh hang on YOU CAN'T. The only taking away of threads I have seen has been done by... the moderators!

You know third wave there are a LOT of people who have signed up to this forum and only a tiny, tiny amount of them have actually posted. Can you understand why this might be? Do you think they might take one look at the amount of locked threads, posters banned for no apparent reason and just think "fuck that"?

This "problem" you have regarding all these people asking tricky questions isn't going to go away UNLESS/UNTIL the moderators on this forum start ALLOWING discussion to take place without crushing everything with their size 13 jackboots.

It's as simple as that.

[sean]

Trinity1, lets agree to disagree. We are here to make it a much nicer experience for new users to the website who want to communicate ideas with everyone else.

No moderator here is going to get into an argument with you, and i'd suggest PM'ing one of us if you have any suggestions or concerns regarding action taken against another user. Everything will be explained as fully as can be. However, here is not the place to make wild accusations that have no basis in truth.

[trinity1]

Trinity1, lets agree to disagree. We are here to make it a much nicer experience for new users to the website who want to communicate ideas with everyone else.

No moderator here is going to get into an argument with you, and i'd suggest PM'ing one of us if you have any suggestions or concerns regarding action taken against another user. Everything will be explained as fully as can be. However, here is not the place to make wild accusations that have no basis in truth.

Look, in one respect this is YOUR forum Sean. However, it would be a pretty lonely place without any posters. It is the posters that make a forum. I'm not after getting into argument with moderators or anyone else. I just want there to be a little fairplay. You're banning people without explanation, whole threads are being deleted, even 2tuff's threads got deleted and he's one of the most prevalent posters on the conspiracy circuit and has some fantastic information.

Somebody even got banned "by mistake". How the bloody hell can you ban someone by mistake. Where's his reinstatement? There are more locked threads on here than there is tea in China. Surely you must see the futility of keep locking/banning/deleting these people who obviously want to be heard and it looks as if they will continue coming back with new usernames until they are heard.

I'm sorry if you consider my continuing campaigning for the rights of posters to at least be allowed to say what they think to be childish. However I see it as a very important issue.

EDIT: Also why do these conversations need to take place via pm? There's no reason they can't take place in public.

[sean]

This isn't the place to talk about your issues with bannings, threads being deleted, and posts being taken away. If you have a specific issue, take it up with me or another moderator via PM.

I have already pointed out in the guidelines that threads/polls regarding action taken by any of the moderators would not be welcome here, yet you continue to make post after post regarding action that has been taken. There is a reason for this too: The forum will quickly become overrun with threads and trolls talking about matters which are of NO interest to people who have come here to communicate ideas relating to David's work, and other things of interest. This is what the forum is for. It's not a discussion point for the administration of this website.

To note: You haven't sent any PM's to myself regarding any action taken. I take that as you not having any real problem or wanting to campaign for the rights of posters. If you did, you would surely be trying to sort it out?
Perhaps moaning publically is more an attempt at getting people to view things from a certain perspective?

I'm not quite sure what your aim is here. If you have a problem, let me know via PM, and i will actually try and sort it out.

[trinity1]

This isn't the place to talk about your issues with bannings, threads being deleted, and posts being taken away. If you have a specific issue, take it up with me or another moderator via PM.

Well where IS the best place to discuss it? I think it is of concern to everyone on this forum so it should be discussed publicly and the general section is the appropriate place to do so. Perhaps if you stopped locking threads dedicated to this subject, then the subject wouldn't have to be strewn around randomly in different threads like this and could be kept to just one neat thread. Just a thought.

I have already pointed out in the guidelines that threads/polls regarding action taken by any of the moderators would not be welcome here, yet you continue to make post after post regarding action that has been taken. There is a reason for this too: The forum will quickly become overrun with threads and trolls talking about matters which are of NO interest to people who have come here to communicate ideas relating to David's work, and other things of interest. This is what the forum is for. It's not a discussion point for the administration of this website.

I continue to make "post after post" on this subject because I find it to be a very relevant and important issue. If you care to look at my posts you will see that it isn't all I've posted about. Regarding threads that are apparently of "no interest" surely it's up to the posters to decide what's relevant/of interest - if they don't think it's relevant they won't post on it? Closing threads with pages of discussion because it is "going nowhere" is ridiculous. Obviously if people are posting on it, it's going somewhere...

I can understand why you would delete/lock threads containing porn and such but other than that I believe that the amount of locked/deleted threads and the amount of people banned to date is not sending a good message to people who follow David Icke's work.

To note: You haven't sent any PM's to myself regarding any action taken. I take that as you not having any real problem or wanting to campaign for the rights of posters. If you did, you would surely be trying to sort it out?
Perhaps moaning publically is more an attempt at getting people to view things from a certain perspective?

I'm not quite sure what your aim is here. If you have a problem, let me know via PM, and i will actually try and sort it out.

No I haven't sent any pms because I can communicate with you just fine right here. What difference will it make if I send you a pm? You can read my thoughts here just was well. I'm still very confused over why you won't allow this discuss to take place publicly.

I am not MOANING Sean, I'm stating a very obvious and important case as are various other people here. I want this forum (indeed this world) to flourish and be a space where people can express themselves freely and state opinion that might not toe the party line without fear of recrimination. I'm not talking about a free-for all of posting porn or threats to people as I said... just a little fair play. I myself have been the focus of an internet stalker and I can tell you it's a very scary experience so I'm not naive as to what can happen on the internet. However, nothing of that kind has happened here, it's mostly just banter, no more no less and it's not a small amount of people who agree that the moderating here is way too heavy-handed.

[thirdwave]

Well where IS the best place to discuss it?



Originally Posted by sean
If you have a specific issue, take it up with me or another moderator via PM.

Allow me to point this out for you :)

its best to send PMs because not all posters like to hear others go on about stuff that they may feel is very irrelevant... I respect you think it is relevant but we also respect other people on the board who may find it boring and on going....

PMing us will allow us to answer any of your questions while not clogging up the forum with negative posts for other to keep coming across... we have had a few PMs of people expressing how this annoys them.

why is PMing us not as helpful?

[trinity1]

Allow me to point this out for you :)

Thanks Third Wave, I had already spotted that comment, and addressed it in my post, above. I stand in direct opposition to the idea that this subject would be better discussed in pm. What ya gonna do? Sue me? :p

ps allow me to point this out to you

"But Morpheus everyone doesn't believe as you." ..... "MY BELIEF DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO."

[jimijams]

Allow me to point this out for you :)

its best to send PMs because not all posters like to hear others go on about stuff that they may feel is very irrelevant... I respect you think it is relevant but we also respect other people on the board who may find it boring and on going....

PMing us will allow us to answer any of your questions while not clogging up the forum with negative posts for other to keep coming across... we have had a few PMs of people expressing how this annoys them.

why is PMing us not as helpful?
Don't forget to loosen that tie occasionally, you sound like you're choking..

[oneofmany]

another one does bite the dust, we are getting there....

I have looked at his account, he was given 2 warnings for repeatedly hijacking other peoples threads and creating arguments... and still continued to do so.

other posters should be free to post what they like with out having their threads hi jacked and taken away from them by other posters.... very annoying for other posters and unnecessary...

If i could answer in one word i would so here goes my best

ABSOLUTE RUBBISH

[sean]

Any more threads of this nature will be removed. Read the guidelines. We WILL answer questions via PM, and not via threads.