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Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 11:41 AM
The so-called truth movement is nothing but controlled opposition. Why? Because the truth doesn't need struggle. Only divide & conquer schemes need struggle. Catch up already!
chris
19-01-2009, 11:43 AM
There's no such thing as the truth movement...It's the term is just a coin for many different actions...
marpat
19-01-2009, 11:48 AM
And nobody really seems to be doing anything about the things they claim are going on. Global world takeover? lets chat about it on the tinterweb
chris
19-01-2009, 11:54 AM
And nobody really seems to be doing anything about the things they claim are going on. Global world takeover? lets chat about it on the tinterweb
lol
Yeah...As I was reading 'Infinite Love is the only truth' last night,
Icke made it quite clear that we are already enlightened and know everything and so on. No need to do anything. (!)
I have a problem with this theory because humans reincarnate.
If that's us changing programs in the Matrix then we live in a seriously shitty universe.
lottie
19-01-2009, 11:59 AM
I have a problem with this theory because humans reincarnate.
How do you know that?:confused:
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 12:22 PM
Jesus Christ said: turn the other cheek, or something like that. What he meant was that if you are so stupid as to draw an attacker onto you, then repent! And he also spoke about tearing out your eye if you had conflicting thoughts. If your thoughts and your actions are not aligned, then you are a moron (pagan). That's what he was talking about.
Wise up, already! :p:D
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 12:35 PM
How then to treat the evil NWO? The answer is: as entertainment! Fight the elite for fun! If you are serious, you are seriously fear-ridden. See?
Ian2day
19-01-2009, 12:40 PM
Anders you're most probably correct. CONspiracy is just a pied piper for tptb. It is the matrix manipulating uts own system to expose its opposition. Once the really effective opponants to the matrix are exposed they are then subjected to Psy-ops and discrediting by its agents. Who think that they're protecting society from imminant threats to national security. When in reality it is threats to the continuation of the hegomany of the systems owners that are targetted. All of this is achieved via the deployment of obfuscation, smoke and mirrors. Which can take form in a plethora of methods of attack. Yep, its all a great big game of life
friendship
19-01-2009, 12:49 PM
How then to treat the evil NWO? The answer is: as entertainment! Fight the elite for fun!
good advice!..
though being pagan is not auto-moron even if many are. (the M-fixation/diana)
venus is cool.
the aristo and pseudo-novo aristos are entertainment. irony works better than taking that shower seriously! wtf
:D
friendship
19-01-2009, 12:56 PM
The so-called truth movement is nothing but controlled opposition. Why? Because the truth doesn't need struggle. Only divide & conquer schemes need struggle. Catch up already!
very good, but when lies are institutionalized truth does need guardianship and-so expression. as in a lunaticocracy.
is the truth movement a diversion this-way dead end?
the real truth is over the support of nation israel and so the involvement in middle eastern hot bed crazy situations.
and maybe the cia training & special forces ability of the inner core of the osama network...like wow!
and mossads advanced notice to israelis ie american jews...over 911
soo there is a need not to be diverted into 'hey its all wacko'
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 12:57 PM
It is the matrix manipulating uts own system to expose its opposition.
The trick is to rise above the elite. To avoid buying into their own game. They feed on conflict and struggle. That they can control because it's a game played on their chessboard, a game called divide & conquer.
We are only touchable if we allow ourselves to be dragged down into their ball park. I don't need their ballpark, since in their game, I will not only hit the ball out of the park; I will hit the ball into orbit! :cool::D
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 01:01 PM
is the truth movement a diversion this-way dead end?
I guess both and. Some parts of the truth movement are good, other parts are just a part of the same control game: one side always fighting the other side.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
smoking oceanus
19-01-2009, 02:18 PM
There is no governor anywhere; you are all absolutely free. There is no restraint that cannot be escaped. We are all absolutely free. If everybody could go into dhyana at will, nobody could be controlled -- by fear of prison, by fear of whips or electroshock, by fear of death, even. All existing society is based on keeping those fears alive, to control the masses. Ten people who know [this] would be more dangerous than a million armed anarchists.
- RAW
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 02:30 PM
There is no governor anywhere; you are all absolutely free. There is no restraint that cannot be escaped. We are all absolutely free. If everybody could go into dhyana at will, nobody could be controlled -- by fear of prison, by fear of whips or electroshock, by fear of death, even. All existing society is based on keeping those fears alive, to control the masses. Ten people who know [this] would be more dangerous than a million armed anarchists.
- RAW
Yes, David Icke also has talked a lot about how the world is controlled by fear. Fear also causes a dumbing down of people. So when we can be held in a state of fear we become more easy to manipulate.
smoking oceanus
19-01-2009, 03:15 PM
Yes, David Icke also has talked a lot about how the world is controlled by fear. Fear also causes a dumbing down of people. So when we can be held in a state of fear we become more easy to manipulate.
Yeah but conspircies can create alot of un necessary fear as well. Paranoids going around saying your a CIA mind control agent if you say it was the Jesuits who put more flouride in your cheeseburger than the Zionists.
Conspiracy psychology is interesting. Even though conspiracies do exist, it seems that the more one projects fear into it, the more it seems to appear everywhere including under your bed.
It also makes one place way too much importance, dependence and faith upon conspiracy guru's and they always end up getting disapointed. It explains all the; "whos side are you on" bickering thats going on. "Are you with Icke or are you with Watt? Are you with us or against us?"
Falls right into The Elites hands
Fear in all forms needs to be conquered. It is the very cement that holds the authoritarian blocks togethor.
Transcending this ego/fear will allow us to see what common ground we all have rather than the differences that seperate us.
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 03:45 PM
It explains all the; "whos side are you on" bickering thats going on. "Are you with Icke or are you with Watt? Are you with us or against us?"
Hehe. :D Not to mention all the fear-based radio commercials: stockpile food!!! buy gold!!! buy pepper spray!!! protect yourself and your family!!!
What goes around comes around. Stockpiling food, buying gold etc is totally against the Bible. Satan will eat those evildoers who deal with such things for breakfast. ;):D
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 04:18 PM
Also notice that boycotting the truth movement is a bad move since that is still playing the elite's game.
It's funny how we have been trained to always fight, fight, fight. It's almost as if when our mind doesn't have something to fight it doesn't know what to do with itself. :D
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 04:42 PM
I just got a new idea. The truth movement is very good, BUT it is only a step, a great leap from the sheeple step yet still only a stepping stone in the middle of a river. We are not meant to STAY on the stepping stones. We are meant to become free. And struggle and fight may be needed steps to reach freedom, but to really cross over to the other side, struggle and fight (in the serious sense) have to be abandoned.
Hehe. :D Not to mention all the fear-based radio commercials: stockpile food!!! buy gold!!! buy pepper spray!!! protect yourself and your family!!!
What goes around comes around. Stockpiling food, buying gold etc is totally against the Bible. Satan will eat those evildoers who deal with such things for breakfast. ;):D
Matthew 6:19
Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
How do you know that?:confused:
I've seen one of my past lives, that's how I know.
I still haven't finished reading 'Infinite love is the only truth',
but there's a lot in it that is making me doubt Icke.
Like the fact that we already know everything.
If this was so, we wouldn't be in so much trouble.
brain
19-01-2009, 06:07 PM
How then to treat the evil NWO? The answer is: as entertainment! Fight the elite for fun! If you are serious, you are seriously fear-ridden. See?
Bravo!
If this thread is a response to this one:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50175
It should be.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 07:00 PM
Bravo!
If this thread is a response to this one:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50175
It should be.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Love of power is good from a certain perspective. What often happens is that we get stuck on that level of development, the level of trying to get hold of power, a kind of power greed.
The want of power means that we don't have power. To have power is good, so it is understandable that people are hungry for power.
The power of love is the step ahead of wanting power. Love is the state of HAVING power. Wanting and having are not the same thing. For instance, me wanting a million dollar is not the same thing as me having a million dollar.
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 07:13 PM
Matthew 6:19
Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. In Matthew 6 Jesus also talks about not worrying about food and clothes. He said something like: look at the lilies of the field, how not even Salomon was dressed like one of these, and if your Father dresses them like that, how will he dress you, o you of little faith! (I may have mixed up the parts in Matthew here but the meaning was something like that).
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 07:26 PM
JESUS, OUR FATHER PRAYER, Matthew 6, 5-15 - YouTube
marpat
19-01-2009, 07:51 PM
Yeah...As I was reading 'Infinite Love is the only truth' last night,
Icke made it quite clear that we are already enlightened and know everything and so on. No need to do anything. (!)
I have a problem with this theory because humans reincarnate.
If that's us changing programs in the Matrix then we live in a seriously shitty universe.
If we need to do nothing then why are people going on about truth campaigns and all that, sending out leafles, etc.
All Icke has done there is to take some Buddhist teachings and make that statement. The core mind can know everything but that does not mean you dont need to do anything. You need to apply such states of mind to daily life for them to be of any use and effect.
The truth is that although a persons mind may have the capactiy to access all knowledge not all people have clear, honed minds. If the instrument of perception is cloudy then the information received will be distorted.
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 08:08 PM
In America there are many Christians in the truth movement. I think Christianity can be a powerful guidance IF we think of Heaven as a state here on Earth and not some place after death. In fact, I will read some of the New Testament about what Jesus says about Heaven. Maybe it ALREADY says in the Bible that Heaven is a state (inner and external) here on Earth.
But isn't the Bible just myth? Maybe not! There are many powerful messages in the Bible.
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 08:20 PM
Maybe it ALREADY says in the Bible that Heaven is a state (inner and external) here on Earth.
Ha! Well, what I found doesn't exactly say that but something similar:
"your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven." - Matthew 6:10
So heaven is not the same as earth, but the state (your kingdom come, your will be done) of heaven may come to earth. Heaven descending onto Earth. Sounds kind of extraterrestrial. :D
marpat
19-01-2009, 08:23 PM
In America there are many Christians in the truth movement. I think Christianity can be a powerful guidance IF we think of Heaven as a state here on Earth and not some place after death. In fact, I will read some of the New Testament about what Jesus says about Heaven. Maybe it ALREADY says in the Bible that Heaven is a state (inner and external) here on Earth.
But isn't the Bible just myth? Maybe not! There are many powerful messages in the Bible.
Well he did say heaven will pass away, so its not an everlasting abode anyway, just another temporary location.
I have always thought of heaven and hell as states of being which can be fully lived out in the earthly body rather than being something purely spiritual.
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 08:40 PM
Well he did say heaven will pass away, so its not an everlasting abode anyway, just another temporary location.
I have always thought of heaven and hell as states of being which can be fully lived out in the earthly body rather than being something purely spiritual.
Where does it say that heaven will pass away?
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 08:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAesYZQt3bc
Listen from 2:00 in the video. As I remember it, this is like THE most important prayer, yet people just mechanically repeat it without thinking about what it says (at least that's what we usually do in Church here in Sweden).
The prayer says (NIV): "your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven."
So the most (or at least one of) important Christian prayer talks about heaven coming to earth. It sounds to me that that is the purpose of the prayer, to have the Kingdom of Heaven coming to Earth, not us going to heaven after death.
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 09:32 PM
Christian truthers who buy gold and stockpile food should watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX6lurbE1EY
marpat
19-01-2009, 09:42 PM
Where does it say that heaven will pass away?
In the new testament does Jesus not say 'Heaven and earth will pass away but my word will never pass away'. Sure its in there. Not a christian and cant be bothered to look for the paragraph but I am sure you can find it easy enough
marpat
19-01-2009, 09:43 PM
Quick online search found it:
http://bible.cc/matthew/24-35.htm
challand
19-01-2009, 09:51 PM
That's a good idea, boycott the only thing making a difference. Brilliant. /sarcasm off
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 10:00 PM
Quick online search found it:
http://bible.cc/matthew/24-35.htm
Ok, yes I found the new translation: "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."
The Bible could be mostly made up stories, but let's assume the words have some meaning. Then my interpretation of that part is that Heaven is only a stage, an evolutionary phase, and Earth also, but Jesus' words are eternal truths.
Anders Lindman
19-01-2009, 10:03 PM
That's a good idea, boycott the only thing making a difference. Brilliant. /sarcasm off
I made a mistake writing that title. The more correct description is that the truth movement is a step in the right direction, and definitely a giant leap from the usual sheeple mentality, but still it's only a step, not a final destination.
What I have in mind is if it's possible to take the next step. And my guess is that the next step leaves behind the serious kind of struggle and fighting.