A Great Saint

[monkyies]

I will refer you all to a great Saint that is in this world right now. He is currently living in Lufkin Texas. He really does have access to the highest Lord. He tells of all the Eastern and Western Mystics of the past and unites their teachings. A lot of what I say comes from his words. Go to his yahoo groups page and learn what he has to teach. He has been practicing Shabd meditation for many decades, and he is now competent to teach others, as per orders of the Supreme Being. I hope you all have at least a little respect for what I say, and won't argue too much, just go see the site if you'd like. His name is Michael Martin and his Guru was Maharaj Charan Singh Ji Maharaj. He is not the actual successor of Maharaj Charan Singh Ji Maharaj, but he still did reach the highest spiritual heights possible. Maharaj Charan Singh Ji's successor as per will was Baba Gurinder Singh Ji Maharaj. He is a part time Mystic teacher for now, and he still works for a living. He says that he will be obscure or well known depending on what God wants to do with him. I'll again say that he is a Teacher that teaches how to reach the INNER teacher. This is exactly what Jesus Christ was doing. Best wishes.

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[rossus]

I will refer ...
below is a site which does not speak too fondly of the man you look up to.
http://www.geocities.com/kaesdk/letter.html

i personally don't know about your guru so i have no opinion on how genuine he is.
just wanted to show you of the other side that your beloved guru might have.



there's many so called "enlightened" gurus out there, but how many are really enlightened?
many "enlightened" gurus live of their followers: financially, sexually...

even when there's no clear signs of taking advantage of his followers,
the "enlightened" guru might still be presenting himself as a higher evolved being
than he really is for various reasons.

it might be just for the fame, or it might be because he wants to give people hope
and influence masses in a way which he deems positive?




i've personally come to conclude that there are different forms of enlightenment
and there's different levels of strength in which one can experience them.

different forms of "enlightenment" have different characteristics,
even though the differences can be subtle.

wether one person is "enlightened" or not,
depends on which characteristics and powers you associate with the term "enlightenment".




two persons who i'd consider quite enlightened,
are called Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj. (see my signature)

I prefer Nisargadatta's way of explaining though,
so I only read him.

[monkyies]

That site you posted is tiny. You have absolutely no idea how much more there is on the internet against him. Everywhere this Great Saint is on the net, are more of his enemies. You don't think it's just that easy do you? Well if you go to that site you posted you'll notice that the people there aren't actually saying anything. They post a bunch of their opinions and stupid conjectures. I see right through their judgment, and just use my own. You'll notice that all Saints have many enemies. Jesus Christ was tortured and mocked plenty for trying to take his sheep back to the True Home.

I'll tell you one thing though. The first time I heard of this Master was from seeing that site you posted a year or two ago. When I first saw it, I agreed with what it was saying. But I didn't give you that site, I gave you another one. The other site, if you look through, and also google groups, you'll find that this Master is attacked very often by people who assume that what he claims is absolutely impossible, yet that's just their opinions. It's not like it's easy to have faith in Masters. It's no small thing. He also is the first in a line of Masters. He doesn't have many Gurus in his lineage. His Master didn't choose him as successor. But if you look to India, you'll notice that Baba Gurinder Singh Ji has millions of followers, because his lineage goes back hundreds of years, and is a really good one. Just keep in mind that if you look through history like 15 years ago to present, all his posts on the internet, maybe 10,000, are all very legit. You'd notice his large knowledge on Sant Mat.

But if you don't even know of or beleive in Sant Mat, the path of the Masters, or don't even know anything of Shabd meditation, then this is more new for you than it was for me. I already knew what he was preaching for I already was aware of his guru's lineage. The Radhasoami Gurus teach the same path. His Guru is Maharaj Charan Singh Ji, who left this world in 1990 to be succeeded by his nephew Baba Gurinder Singh Ji, also taught Sant Mat. All those Gurus teach the same exact thing. So be careful, very careful when looking at these things because God can manifest in ANYONE.

[monkyies]

below is a site which does not speak too fondly of the man you look up to.
http://www.geocities.com/kaesdk/letter.html

i personally don't know about your guru so i have no opinion on how genuine he is.
just wanted to show you of the other side that your beloved guru might have.



there's many so called "enlightened" gurus out there, but how many are really enlightened?
many "enlightened" gurus live of their followers: financially, sexually...

even when there's no clear signs of taking advantage of his followers,
the "enlightened" guru might still be presenting himself as a higher evolved being
than he really is for various reasons.

it might be just for the fame, or it might be because he wants to give people hope
and influence masses in a way which he deems positive?




i've personally come to conclude that there are different forms of enlightenment
and there's different levels of strength in which one can experience them.

different forms of "enlightenment" have different characteristics,
even though the differences can be subtle.

wether one person is "enlightened" or not,
depends on which characteristics and powers you associate with the term "enlightenment".




two persons who i'd consider quite enlightened,
are called Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj. (see my signature)

I prefer Nisargadatta's way of explaining though,
so I only read him.

My friend, please don't try to assume things and be done right there. I thought the same things you do, but this Guru is nothing like that. He is not doing things by himself. He does not publisize like you think. He leave it to God whether he gets fame or not. He is no ordinary person, really. You would be one among few if you were to have faith in him. You really have nothing to give him. No sex fame or anything. He is done, really. He really has reached the Final Abode. There is nothing higher, it's the highest path known to man.

He's not even my Guru. Not because I don't beleive in him but because I'm still in schooling and need to accomplish one thing at a time.

I know about what you are saying. There are many wolves in sheep's clothing. You mentioned some other Guru too.

But what I'm asking is for you to take this one case on my word. But hey who knows who I am too, right LOL.

In general there are only three Gurus, IMO, that are able to meditate and reach the highest Lord of all, the highest enlightenment.

That is how far apart and few these beings are.

That is why I stress that you shouldn't think it so easy to have faith in such a Spiritual Giant such as this one. Anyone can just look past him and move on in a split second, and miss their opportunity. There are only 3/7billion or so Gurus at this level. So if I really beleive this, then maybe you understand why I try to say that I already know that there are many false ones. There are True Gurus also, but they aren't at this level.

Maharaj Charan Singh Ji initiated some 1.2 million souls, that's a whole lot. Now, his successor, Sant Gurinder Singh Ji must have initiated even more. This initiation alone is a gift FAR beyond measure. These Gurus say that you don't even need to ever see or go near them, but initiation even by proxy is fine. There is no difference in distance. They don't, really don't, want to rob you or anything. They constantly stress working on character and meditation and such.

If you were to see his site, you'd see the different levels of enlightenment he mentions, as do all the other Gurus.

There are 8 levels of consciousness. There's this material world and mind-Pinda or physical plane, Astral mind and body-Anda or Sahansdal Kanwal, Causal mind and body-Trikuti or Brahmanda, Supercausal Plane-Parabrahmanda or Daswan Dwar, The Rotating Cave or Bhanwar Gupha, then the True Home which is four purely Spiritual regions. They are Sach Khand-The True Home, Alakh Lok-The Invisible Region, Agam Lok-The Inaccessible Region, and Anami Lok-The Nameless Region, which is the final one, and it is truly the level of the Supreme Lord of all, incalculable and infinite. That is the level that Michael Martin, Pir Zia and Sant Gurinder Singh Ji have reached.

To reach the actual Astral plane alone is a giangantic acheivement. Many Gurus went this far and didn't know to go farther, thinking it was the highest. To reach here means to definately not have to be reborn in this physical plane anymore. But in actuality, there are six planes above this one that have to be crossed. To do this, we really need a Guide to take us there. Not one of Satan's henchmen, but a True Master who knows the actual way. That is what Saints such as Michael Martin Pir Zia or Baba Gurinder Singh Ji do for us if we are initiated and do the right things. Pir Zia's lineage goes back 800 years. SGSJ's lineage goes back hundreds of years too.

Michael Martin is a Guruavatar, thus he's been coming and going for ages as different personages.


Other Masters that had/have reached there are:

Eastern Masters:
Mirabai, Jesus Christ, St. Peter, St. Paul, Muhammad, Buddha, Rabia, Sahjo Bai, Hafiz, Rumi, Shams, Paltu, Kabir, Nanak, Dariya Sahib, Seth Shiv Dayal Singh Ji, Saligram, Bulleh Shah, Murshid Madani, Muinuddin Chishti, Faqir Chand, Shiv Brat Lal, Sri Aurobindo, The Mother, Jaimal Singh Ji Maharaj, Sawan Singh Ji Maharaj, Jagat Singh Ji Maharaj, Kirpal Singh Ji Maharaj, Charan Singh Ji Maharaj, Gurinder Singh Ji Maharaj.

Western Masters: Though you may not beleive most of it:

Teresa de Avila, Aemilia Lanyer, Mary Sidney, Mary Magdalene, Madame Blavatsky, Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, Nostradamus, Shakespeare, Christopher Marlowe, Francis Bacon, John Donne, Oliver Cromwell, Richard Cromwell, John Milton, William Blake, Robert Burns, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Thomas Carlyle, Alfred Lord Tennyson, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Margaret Fuller, Robert Browning, Elizabeth Barrett Browning, Walt Whitman, Emily Dickinson, Hazrat Inayat Khan, Hazrat Vilayat Inayat Khan, Pir Zia Inayat Khan.

They all went through these regions with the same thing:

Shabd, Nam, Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, Kalma, Isme-i-Azam, Sultan-ul-Azkar, Kalma, Logos, Music of Spheres, Word, Bani, Gurbani, Living Water, Audible Life Stream, Tao. These are just some names from different religions for it.

This I'm saying is really nothing. Nothing can describe that path to the infinite, it can only be experienced.

[vallick]

but he still did reach the highest spiritual heights possible.

so your saying that some guy in texas has over came satan and is no longer bound to darkness????

if that were true then mankind would be living in the new earth and new heaven:cool:

To reach the actual Astral plane alone is a giangantic acheivement. Many Gurus went this far and didn't know to go farther, thinking it was the highest. To reach here means to definately not have to be reborn in this physical plane anymore.

all of mankind has accesses to the Astral plane. This isn't that hard to do all you do is open your third eye and do mantra of breathe. The goal is to wake up with Gods light in your body and then reach the higher planes if your allowed in its helps if you seek Christ. The highest spiritual goal is to receive your spiritual body while living on earth and this is the moment when You become christ. This is mankind's birth right to put on the incorruptible and to become Christ like soon our earth will also put on the incorruptible

The hard part is becoming above darkness and returning to the source of God.

Also you have to watch out Texas is filled with satan ministers look at todays Church teaching the false pre rapture. Michael Martin is either a saint or a minister of satan you must test his spirit to see what he is??? If michael is claiming to have reached the highest spiritual level then he is probably a minister of the evil one or is having the chosen one complex. AkA when a person strats to open there third eye and they become powerful they then think that they are the chosen one.

It seems like Michael is pretending to be the chosen one or what the bible calls the two witnesses witch is very common today?? So watch out and make sure you test Michael martin and if he is claiming to have reached the highest spiritual level then he must be pretending to be the chosen one.

[monkyies]

but he still did reach the highest spiritual heights possible.

so your saying that some guy in texas has over came satan and is no longer bound to darkness????

if that were true then mankind would be living in the new earth and new heaven:cool:

To reach the actual Astral plane alone is a giangantic acheivement. Many Gurus went this far and didn't know to go farther, thinking it was the highest. To reach here means to definately not have to be reborn in this physical plane anymore.

all of mankind has accesses to the Astral plane. This isn't that hard to do all you do is open your third eye and do mantra of breathe. The goal is to wake up with Gods light in your body and then reach the higher planes if your allowed in its helps if you seek Christ. The highest spiritual goal is to receive your spiritual body while living on earth and this is the moment when You become christ. This is mankind's birth right to put on the incorruptible and to become Christ like soon our earth will also put on the incorruptible

The hard part is becoming above darkness and returning to the source of God.

Also you have to watch out Texas is filled with satan ministers look at todays Church teaching the false pre rapture. Michael Martin is either a saint or a minister of satan you must test his spirit to see what he is??? If michael is claiming to have reached the highest spiritual level then he is probably a minister of the evil one or is having the chosen one complex. AkA when a person strats to open there third eye and they become powerful they then think that they are the chosen one.

It seems like Michael is pretending to be the chosen one or what the bible calls the two witnesses witch is very common today?? So watch out and make sure you test Michael martin and if he is claiming to have reached the highest spiritual level then he must be pretending to be the chosen one.


I know what you say about people thinking they are the chosen one. But he has been confronted many times about his attainments by many people. They ask him how does he know that he really just got to the astral and it isn't something out there talking to him that he thins is the highest God. Some ask him what makes him think he just is talking to the Universal Mind. But then he reiterates that how does any Saint know? They just do. When they reach the highest spiritual region, they really do know. Out there shines no stars sons or moons and there is nothing to be heard. The light and sound is unmanifested there. To reach that level, one has crossed many "stations" that can be verified with what other Saints have described, or what your Master says.

I'll tell you, I have faith in him but he also says that all the Saints want us to go WITHIN to see the reality of the Master. He is just a guide/teacher before then.


Brother, it isn't so easy for the world to go back to God. It's sad isn't it. Jesus Christ was one such God Man who tried to bring people to the path but was mocked and tortured instead. Despite all the Saints that come down here, the world stays the same. The Masters are a great light in the world but some aren't ready to see it. Jesus Himself was seen as an ordinary person by most.

But still the Saints are sent repeatedly. Most Saints find very very few true seekers. Most people want to alter teachings and can't accept the way God made the way back to Him. If we ignore the Saints then it's not God's fault. Many seeds fall on barren ground. Many will be called but few will be chosen. St. Paul said nearly 2000 years ago, "Some will take the teachings to be foolishness."

Heaven is within, the Kingdom of God is within. The Master tells us to go within but few listen.

Even before I heard of him I knew of his Master: Maharaj Charan Singh Ji. That Master himself was the Lord in human form. Michael Martin has followed the path under his guidance. He says that he had faith that he was God in human form even before he was initiated.

You can say that Astral plane is easy to reach, but I guarantee you don't know of the actual Astral plane. You say that we simply open our third eye. Easier said than done, eh? There are many sub planes underneath it. You can't just close your eyes and say a mantra for a while hours and go there. The type of constant concentration to get there is hard to even practice. In that case everyone would be liberated from being born here. Then all people could catch the Big Bell sound at any time, and leave body consciousness for long periods.

Here I'll give you some words of Master Martin:

MM: Masters have
always warned us about evil entities, and that is, of course, one of
the main reasons for having a competent guide. The Astral World
abounds with these evil entities, and to try to pass through it
without a Guru is foolishness.

MM:
If we reach the Big Bell of the Astral Plane, or first stage in Sant
Mat, then we won't have to be reborn in this world, generally
speaking. There could be some exceptions to this rule, but
generally, to hear the Big Bell means we have broken our attachments
to the physical plane. It would also mean that we have risen above
the lower Astral Plane, and have reached the center, known as Sahans-
dal-Kanwal, i.e. the Thousand Petaled Lotus. It is called this
because 1000 candle flames are seen there.

MM:
Some Rishis, Munis, and Yogishwars, have managed to reach the first
or second stage, but lacking a Sat Guru, they are stuck there. When
their good karmas run out, they will descend to the physical plane
again. This is why we need a Sat Guru, who can stand as a ransom for
our karmas. Otherwise, we won't be able to escape from Kal.

-The first stage is the Astral plane and the second one is the Causal plane.

MM:
We need to keep working on meditation, and we will reach those visions,
> which are at the threshold of the astral plane. After the stars, sun,
> and moon, we pass through a tunnel, which exits to the astral plane and
> a beautiful vista. After exiting the tunnel, look for the Master, as
> he won't be far away. This is the Radiant Form. He places his form
> within his disciples and guides them to the True Home, Sach Khand, stage
> by stage.

After you see your Master within, you catch the Bell sound from the right side and that is supposed to pull you up like a magnet to the center of the Astral plane, as MM has said.

MM:
When the
> Master's Form is steady, due to our unwavering concentration, then we
> will soon be pulled like a magnet into the sound of a BIG BELL. This is
> the first major sound in Sant Mat.

This really is a high level for one to go to. You generally need a Master that has reached the Bell sound to go there yourself. If your Master has access to higher regions then that can be achieved as well.

Here are some descriptions of the Astral:

MM:
Satan can easily send one of his henchmen to lead us
into beautiful places, and we fall to those
temptations, if we don't have a Master. The astral men and
women are so attractive, and there are beautiful
gardens with crystal clear water running in them. There
is no pollution in those paradises. There are great
Yogishwars, who have been stranded in the Causal Plane,
because they didn't have a Master capable of taking them
beyond Satan. They are in an exquisitely beautiful
place, but eventually, those good karmas will run out,
and they will be fall to the Astral Plane, and then
the Physical Plane. Then, if they are lucky, they
might get a chance to find a True Master, capable of
taking them all the way Home.

MM:
Mind is accustomed to
running out, as you probably know, but we need to keep
bringing it back to the third eye center. Eventually
it will come under control. When it comes under
control, the Shabd manifests itself very loud and
light appears. Eventually, we see the starry sky,
sun, and moon levels. These are really subastral.
When we pass through a tunnel, the Sushamna Vein, then
we enter the lower part of the Astral Plane. This
vista is very beautiful. We might see rain showers or
snow showers, with streams crystal-clear, as they have
no pollution in them. We might see beautiful forests,
gardens, parks, etc.. Cities and villages are there,
also.

MM:
At this point, we need to continue doing the
repetition. We need to let all those beautiful scenes
pass by us, as on a movie screen. We want to reach
the Radiant Master. He is not far off, but we need a
certain degree of concentration to reach him.

When we reach him, then we practice Dhyan, looking
into his eyes. If he stays there while you do the
repetition, then you know it is your Master, and not a
copy sent by Kal. While looking at the Master, we
will soon hear the sound of a Big Bell. It is coming
from the center of the Astral Plane. It is very
beautiful There is a large candle and maybe a
thousand smaller flames there. Proceeding upwards we
soon hear the sound of the conch. It pulls us to Bank
Nal. Bank Nal is a crooked tunnel, which leads us to
the second stage, known as Trikuti, Universal Mind, or
Brahmanda. At this stage the light is reddish and the
sound is thunder. It has cities, mountains, oceans,
lots of flower gardens, etc., just as the Astral Plane
had, only they are more beautiful here.

MM:
Many yogis, rishis, munis, etc., stopped at
the first region, and they saw the lights there of
the flames. There are many flames there. Some have
called it, the chakra of 1000 flames, or the 1000
petaled lotus. At this stage, we hear the sound of the
Big Bell. It is similar, although clearer and more
beautiful, to the sounds of the Big Bells in the Churches.
In fact, that is why the Churches have them, because
some Mystics reported hearing this sound
there.<br><br>The scenery at this stage is brighter than this
world. Even the flowers and trees give off light. It is
like a heaven. The rivers and streams are crystal
clear, with no pollution in them. There are some
gigantic citis there, but they are cleaner and more
beautiful than ours. The trees have huge blossoms, and
there are lots of fields of flowers in
bloom.

MM:
Talismanspeaks:<br>Could you give some definition to the terms
Causal body
and Astral body? <br><br>Michael:<br>They are similar
to our bodies, but for example, a person could be 90
years old here, but he will function in an Astral Body,
which appears to be about 25 years old. The Astral Body
gives off more light, because the souls is shining
through it. The Causal Body is even brighter than the
Astral Body, because it has one less covering over the
soul than the Astral Body. It will glow in the dark,
for example. Also, these bodies are lighter, and you
can "fly" in them. You just think where you want to
be and you fly there with the speed of the
mind.<br><br>Those bodies are composed of subtle matter, but I don't
think we need to discuss much about them. The entire
Astral World and Causal World are composed of subtle
matter, which has been projected, supported, and
sustained, by the Holy Spirit, Shabd, or Nam.<br><br>Thanks
for your questions, Talismanspeaks. Welcome to the
club.<br><br>Michael

Here is a beautiful description of the Causal region. He refers to it as third region meaning physical astral causal as third, enjoy:

MM:
The third plane is similar to our world, in that
it has cities, continents, rivers, mountains,
forests, deserts, etc., etc.. It is much more brilliant.
The colors are much more beautiful. It has been call
Paradise. The most beautiful places on this physical plane,
pale in comparison with it.<br><br>The Holy Spirit is
manifesting as the sound of thunder here. It has been called
the "Om," sound, or the "Aum," sound. The light is
reddish, golden, or reddish golden. There are huge
thunderheads here, from which comes the sound of the peals of
thunder. <br><br>Sometimes, the buildings are so high,
they go above the clouds, thousands of feet tall. The
architecture is too beautiful to describe, with an artistic
touch, as well. Rivers, Streams, Lakes, and Oceans, have
crystal clear water in them. There is no trace of
pollution here. The men and women are exceedingly
attractive, appearing like Gods and Goddesses. There are lots
of flowers here, and most of the trees have huge
blossoms on them.<br><br>This level of creation is so
beautiful, that if we don't have a Perfect Master to take us
beyond, then we would stay here. It would be so tempting,
that we would think we had reached the highest
stage.<br><br>Michael


So in conclusion, I just feel that most haven't reached these levels. Maybe I'm wrong, for you say that anyone can go there. If this is so, then everyone is much more lucky than me! Thanks for listening.

[octopusrex]

This fellow is from Pir Vilayat's line?

[vallick]

Some Rishis, Munis, and Yogishwars, have managed to reach the first
or second stage, but lacking a Sat Guru, they are stuck there. When
their good karmas run out, they will descend to the physical plane
again. This is why we need a Sat Guru, who can stand as a ransom for
our karmas. Otherwise, we won't be able to escape from Kal.

i didnt have time to read all of your post but sat guru is God or the source of God. SO are you saying there having trouble making it to the Source of God or Sat:confused::confused: So your masters haven't put an end to decay right and this is what they want???

my guess is that the Door is shut and they will have to wait until the new earth and new heaven is established. Then they will receive there spiritual Christ like bodies and will be able to see the kingdom of God

Has the angel of false light confronted them yet :cool: make sure they dont sell out remeber your above the evil one and he can only offer you earthly power witch is meaningless. This is the reason why deep meditation can be very very dangerous so watch out



This is why we need a Sat Guru, who can stand as a ransom for
our karmas. Otherwise, we won't be able to escape from Kal.

what do you mean buy this you need a sat guru to stand as ransom???

it sounds like you wanna sacrifice the two witnesses because these are the only men that reach the source of God or sat once this happens the door is shut. you need a sat guru to stand as ransom what do you mean buy this??

what do you mean buy Sat guru??? guru is God and same with sat or the holyspirit that guides you

you ever read the holy science for some reason Sri Yukteswar Giri is next to alister crowley on the beatles sgt pepper cover. so you have the top guru next to the head satanic. Just wondering why the beatles did this

[vallick]

well were you go i enjoy what you have to say its no every day someone posts something like this

This is why we need a Sat Guru, who can stand as a ransom for
our karmas. Otherwise, we won't be able to escape from Kal.

i dont get it what is ment buy this sounds like the tempest is asking them to hold sat guru as ransom to escape kal. whats kal kali from indiana jones or to escape the second death

just watch out the guy is boasting about making it to the heights level but he clearly hasn't

my guess is hes in contact with the tempest and this for him and for all satanics is the heights level to reach so i say hes boasting about this so watch out???

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Sik?