Downl/d David Ray Griffen Debunking 9/11 Debunking

[john white]

David Ray Griffen recently gave a masterful 2 hour speech in Vancouver, Canada, available for download here:

http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=23486

Review of David Ray Griffin's new book: Debunking 9/11 Debunking


by Rev. Richard Skaff

Global Research, June 14, 2007



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Griffin a brilliant theologian and a dedicated 9/11 truth seeker has written another thorough and well researched book that will send chills into the minds and the hearts of the 9/11 official theory architects. Griffin with his passion for truth, debunks point by point Popular Mechanics claims and pseudo-corroboration of the official conspiracy theory. He convincingly strikes back with overwhelming evidence at the disinformation campaign and every circulating 9/11 myth that was launched by the corporate/culprit media to perpetuate the official story. The truth about 9/11 will never be revealed, because the majority of the public are guided by their conditioning of the herd mentality that deters them from critical thinking.

We are trained not to question authority and to follow it blindly even into the abyss. It is biblical! You don't reveal the truth and question the establishment or you will be banished from the Garden Eden and crucified!

Claims of incompetence will always remain the theme that would prevail, in order justify the occurrence of 9/11. It is more benign than complicity and treason, and would disguise the military state in the flag of democracy. It is also an acceptable scenario in the minds of the fearful herds, because it would help them correlate to their own incompetence, and to the lack of control in their own lives. In addition, when a federal agency claims incompetence for its mistakes, it will receive more control, funding and resources, and will eventually expand to a bloating level in order to reduce these mistakes. Ironically, whenever an error occurs, it is usually blamed on that same bloated bureaucracy that was expanded to begin with to resolve that same problem. It is an interesting cycle, nevertheless a vicious one.

Are you confused yet? If you are, that is good! That is the whole idea, which is for us to remain in a state of confusion; therefore, we accept whatever we are told, as we become little incapacitated automotons repeating the propaganda and the buzzwords that were engendered for us by the elitist media to propagate their myth and advance their global agenda. That in turn would reduce our inner conflict about two opposing ideas, and would eventually force us into choosing the most familiar and the safest idea that quells our inner conflict and help us regain balance and harmony.

Once again, congratulations to Griffin on a job well done! Another book another blackout! Debunking 9/11 Debunking is a must read. Open-mindedness is a frightening phenomenon, but the truth is worth the risk!!

[john white]

*bump*

[mindsplinter]

Thanks for the thread. I'm always looking for more sources of info. I burn to disc and pass it around, like throwing icy water on a sleepers face, sometimes.

This link to the site was a new discovery for me.

You carry a big sword.

[masonfree party]

do ya know the griffin is an illuminati symbol...hmmmm

[weston white]

What is that suppose to mean? elaboration?

[masonfree party]

griffin's a one world masonic government supporter...new pearl harbour should be new hiroshima with DEWS

[weston white]

A new Pearl Harbor, refers to same statement made within the PNAC Report prior to 9/11.

But is gets really scary when you realize people that makes statement such as: "When history was written, the last page will read, America had won the war and all was grand!" are serving in the highest positions of our government (recent Bush quote with a slight improv).

[mindsplinter]

griffin's a one world masonic government supporter...new pearl harbour should be new hiroshima with DEWS

How is it that Griffin is a one world supporter when he is exposing the lies and disseptions and criminal activity of the present administration? If he's an agent for the globalists then explain,as I followed his work and it seems counter to supporting the NWO.

[astralburger]

What is that suppose to mean? elaboration?


“Our efforts toward global governance must be two-pronged: at the same time as the case is being made for the necessity and possibility of global government, people in various religious and philosophical traditions need to be interpreting those traditions, probably through a combination of retrieval and reformation, so as to reveal and emphasize their support for this transition to world unity. . . My major project at present is, in fact, to develop a theology for a new world order . . .” (“Toward Genuine Global Governance” chapter entitled ‘Global Government: Objections Considered’)
-David Ray Griffin, 9/11 Truth movement leader

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze25x9n/id25.html

[astralburger]

How is it that Griffin is a one world supporter when he is exposing the lies and disseptions and criminal activity of the present administration? If he's an agent for the globalists then explain,as I followed his work and it seems counter to supporting the NWO.

9/11 is the gift that keeps giving.

Think about the nazis being scapegoated during the nuremberg trials.

Now think about the neocons and the world rising up against them and america.

[mindsplinter]

Can't say I see much fault with that logic. I too realize that the world is rising up against the States. At some point if Dr. Griffin exposes the criminal element within, do the people rise and rebel which creates the chaos? Is that why A Jones is left alive to insight the opposition into civil war. Who knows.

Is there a better planet to emigrate to? This one is sort of screwed up.

[astralburger]

Can't say I see much fault with that logic. I too realize that the world is rising up against the States. At some point if Dr. Griffin exposes the criminal element within, do the people rise and rebel which creates the chaos? Is that why A Jones is left alive to insight the opposition into civil war.

Yes.

Derailing the agenda is still a good tactic.
Professor Jim Fetzer is still a friend.


btw, shame on you OP....

[john white]

Yes.

Derailing the agenda is still a good tactic.
Professor Jim Fetzer is still a friend.


btw, shame on you OP....

David Ray Griffen is either right in exposing the falacies of the 9/11 Commission and countering the debunking of the system servers like popular mechanics: or he is not. To confuse that with his personal political views is not shame on me: but shame on you: and tinged with an unpleasant feel of "idiological purity" to boot. Are you sure you know who the tyrants are? Beware fighting what you oppose, it takes a wise man not to become its mirror

[astralburger]

I can prove my claims and my stance, you however, cannot.

His personal political views and 9/11 are in the same sphere of influence.

To say that they are different shows that you are reaching...

Sometimes in this world, I'm just right, and you're just wrong.

Accept it, learn from it and stop being bitter.

All the best

:)

[helloperator]

Hmmm....I know something is happening, but I don't know what it is

[cruise4]

Thanks John. Appreciated!

[adimon]

9/11 is the gift that keeps giving.

Think about the nazis being scapegoated during the nuremberg trials.

Now think about the neocons and the world rising up against them and america.

The world rising against neoconservatism? What DO you mean?

I can prove my claims and my stance, you however, cannot.

Sometimes in this world, I'm just right, and you're just wrong.


Cheers. I've been feeling rubbish for the past 12 hours and you just made my day! This is a classic! :D

Thanks John. Appreciated!

Yeah me too JW. Nice to see an effective bump! Now gonna start listening. Pity it wasn't videoed eh?

[astralburger]

The world rising against neoconservatism? What DO you mean?

The Nazis were funded by the Americans and the British and were lauded throughout the civilized world as a progressive saviour of Germany. Many of their innovations of statecraft have been adopted by every country today. Hitler even called for a new world order. The point I'm making here is that the Nazis the Brits the Americans are all on the same side. But they publically fight a war against each other because they need a scapegoat to further the integration of the world into one governing body. (I'm surprised you don't know this, to be honest - Problem Reaction Solution 101 ;) )

The same thing will happen to America, and we will be overthrown by some type of UN collective and 911 will be scapegoated on the neocons even though it was a globalist cause, just like the trials at Nuremberg scapegoated the Nazis for what was really a globalist cause.

[adimon]

So you're admitting that your statement about the world rising up against neoconservatism, just isn't true?

If I'm so thick for not having done PRS 101, perhaps you could explain the differences between the following?

Neoconservatism - neorealism - neoliberalism - globalism

Thanks

Chris

[lizzy]

David Ray Griffen is either right in exposing the falacies of the 9/11 Commission and countering the debunking of the system servers like popular mechanics: or he is not. To confuse that with his personal political views is not shame on me: but shame on you: and tinged with an unpleasant feel of "idiological purity" to boot. Are you sure you know who the tyrants are? Beware fighting what you oppose, it takes a wise man not to become its mirror


jw, humour me here please. i would greatly appreciate it.


Why should one BEWARE of fighting them?


Thankyou.

[lizzy]

The Nazis were funded by the Americans and the British and were lauded throughout the civilized world as a progressive saviour of Germany. Many of their innovations of statecraft have been adopted by every country today. Hitler even called for a new world order. The point I'm making here is that the Nazis the Brits the Americans are all on the same side. But they publically fight a war against each other because they need a scapegoat to further the integration of the world into one governing body. (I'm surprised you don't know this, to be honest - Problem Reaction Solution 101 ;) )

The same thing will happen to America, and we will be overthrown by some type of UN collective and 911 will be scapegoated on the neocons even though it was a globalist cause, just like the trials at Nuremberg scapegoated the Nazis for what was really a globalist cause.

consise and correct.
Thankyou.

[lizzy]

So you're admitting that your statement about the world rising up against neoconservatism, just isn't true?

If I'm so thick for not having done PRS 101, perhaps you could explain the differences between the following?

Neoconservatism - neorealism - neoliberalism - globalism

Thanks

Chris


You bring everything back to your usual game of 'samantics".

It's actually a form of thread derailment. You want people to take their eyes off the ball while you kick it out of play.

I find you motives hightly suspect. That you say your job will take you off to Florida to cover the " elections" ( my god what a farce, I read that you actually believe them to be honest and democratic!).
Do they pay you to post here also?

[adimon]

You bring everything back to your usual game of 'samantics".

What a really offensive person you've turned out to be. I was asking a question of a poster, just as you were with your recent question to JW about fighting the PTB. There is no game, and sure, I'm pedantic, that's my nature...so sue me...its not a crime...but I don't bother other posters trying to bully them out of a debate like you are with the above statement. If you don't like my posts then don't read them, but your attitude is getting really tiresome.

It's actually a form of thread derailment. You want people to take their eyes off the ball while you kick it out of play.

The thread which began with the posting of an .mp3 link, which I followed and have been listening to. It has since developed into a broader discussion regarding the PTB in general. A poster made a comment about 'the world rising up against neoconservatism' which I feel isn't true, and I'm challenging that. My last post is possibly a little scathing, but I wouldn't have pushed the issue at all had I not felt that I was being patronised by the reply I received to my original question. And my second post on the matter was still a QUESTION, and I'm only exercising my free speech, and my opinion, so where do you get off? You're not a forum advisor! If you think my post is out of line then report it, but anyone can see it is just a question, albeit a little sarcastic in tone, but it is genuine in motive. My apologies to astralburger if s/he was offended, which I doubt. The real issue here is why you feel the need to pursue some sort of personal feud at all?

I find you motives hightly suspect.

Really? That's soooo interesting. And you've never said it before soooo well done.

That you say your job will take you off to Florida to cover the " elections"

Never said my job has anything to do with me possibly going to Florida. Since the only work I do is as a personal fitness trainer and a PC fixit man, I can't see the value in making that kind of journey. Perhaps you should get your facts straight.

I'm gonna go to Florida for the election and monitor. Wouldnt be anywhere else.


Florida's not bad that time of year - you're welcome to come with me ;)

Anyone who who faith in the system has a severe perception problem.
adimon that means you.
The middle class twit is alive and well and adimon is quite literally off his rocker
he actually believes Oswald killed Kennedy

How about you? Are you being paid? Since we're in the habit of dredging up old threads, perhaps you can tell me why you felt the need for personal attack on this old thread when I was enjoying a healthy debate with cruise4? What was your MOTIVE in doing so, since you're obsessed with SUSPECTING mine? And as for derailing, was it on-topic to bring up JFK, or was that just another part of your smear campaign? What's more, I asked you to tell me why I was wrong about JFK/LHO and you had no reply!

If you want to continue a conversation with me via PM, I'm happy to do so, but don't do what you accuse me of, and derail a thread, by making snide comments about me here.

( my god what a farce, I read that you actually believe them to be honest and democratic!).

What I actually said was this:-

In the US, the 2000 election highlighted massive flaws in their system, some of which are still being addressed. The palaver re: hanging and pregnant chads was the centre of a dodgy situation, but I don't believe from all the information I've seen that Bush fixed the election. That's my opinion ok? If anyone has information to the opposite, then I would like to see it, but don't call me a fool, ok?

N.B. It may be worth stating at this point that I DO know there are many corruptions to the democracy of both the UK and the US - such as secret societies (Common Purpose being one example), bribes, legislative alterations and cover-ups, but these are all things conducted by people who I believe have been elected fairly, and not 'chosen' by TPTB. Any agents of NWO or secret societies have, IMO, been 'gotten to' after the event, so to speak. Or separate to the event, if groomed prior to their candidacy. But the elections are fair, as far as is possible.

I will also say that I do not believe the political systems of the UK and the US are currently satisfactory and I have massive issues and lobbies of my own on a wide range of issues - to name just one example: parliamentary effciency.

Honest? No. All of the candidates are less than fully truthful. But essentially mechanically fair, in the UK - yes I do believe that, for reasons already highlighted in the relevant thread.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=237451&postcount=25

I guess if Hilary wins I might start to have suspicions myself that something is fishy. But I'd say chances were slim.

[john white]

David Ray Griffen is either right in exposing the falacies of the 9/11 Commission and countering the debunking of the system servers like popular mechanics: or he is not. To confuse that with his personal political views is not shame on me: but shame on you: and tinged with an unpleasant feel of "idiological purity" to boot. Are you sure you know who the tyrants are? Beware fighting what you oppose, it takes a wise man not to become its mirror


jw, humour me here please. i would greatly appreciate it.


Why should one BEWARE of fighting them?


Thankyou.

Very simple: one doesnt fight for peace, one peaces for peace: the attitude of fighting always creates more fighting

When we see ourselves as "fighting" we make rigid judgements. Rigid judgments always create injustice sooner or later when rigid judgments are made against those who dont deserve it based on suspicion and fear on the part of the judgie. That creates opposition against the injustce of those doing the judgine

Before we know it, those "fighting" tyranny are being as tyrannical about it as the tyrants, and in all succesful violent revolutions against tyranny, end up simply replacing the tyrants

Much easier to be positive instead and just say: I agree with you about that: (and too someone else) I agree with you about that: so lets do that together

Its positive ideas that change the world: negative opposition merely re-inforces whatever negative stuff is currently going on

But that is why this "fight" against the NWO is such a generational struggle: we are, literally, fighting against ourselves and aspects of our own nature that we see reflected in the world around us

Which is why, with Griffen, he may be in favour of the idea of a world government: many humans are: that doesnt make him a bad man and it doesnt mean his work exposing the 9/11 commission isnt valid and useful, nor does it mean we cannot disagree on the forum and agree on the later

BTW, you will find these kinds of ideas in all of Ickes books

[astralburger]

So you're admitting that your statement about the world rising up against neoconservatism, just isn't true?

If I'm so thick for not having done PRS 101, perhaps you could explain the differences between the following?

Neoconservatism - neorealism - neoliberalism - globalism

Thanks

Chris

If you're looking for a fight, or just feel like being defensive don't bother talking to me.

The world is rising up against america (largely due to neoconservative philosophies in action), yes, its by design, just as the world rised against the nazis.

Cheerio

[mr_pixie]

How is it that Griffin is a one world supporter when he is exposing the lies and disseptions and criminal activity of the present administration? If he's an agent for the globalists then explain,as I followed his work and it seems counter to supporting the NWO.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15217

[revolutionary_jam]

id like to get it

[mr_pixie]

id like to get it


Well get it now.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=12453

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=12499

[mr_pixie]

do ya know the griffin is an illuminati symbol...hmmmm

I know it's off topic but I remember listening to a recording of Ickie on the Cloak & Dagger Radio programme a few years ago and some caller said she had seen Lord of the Rings style Gargoule type Shape-Shifting beings.


Maybe Griffis is one of them?:p:D:):o;):rolleyes: or maybe not:confused:

[mindsplinter]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15217

Like Joseph Stalin said they are useful idiots. I don't think that Griffin knows fully the implications of his push for world government. He maybe not aware that he's playing right into the hidden hand and their objectives. :eek:

[astralburger]

id like to get it
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10562

[john white]

Ok lets play conspiracy heads for a moment shall we

What if those suspicious about DRG's political views are RIGHT about him, and DRG has been "chosen" to expose the truth about the 9/11 commission.

Why?

Well I suggest it would be precisely becuase fearful people will confuse the personal with the impersonal and not use the information becuase of the source

Ever get the feeling you've been played? (by your own interpretation)

Truth is truth, never lose sight of that

But, for what its worth, if condeming those with different views is where people think the solution is "at", be assured if that whenever that way of thinking gains power and you get your way, you become fascists just as bad as the worst vision of the NWO

[astralburger]

My dear Mr. White, the only one condemning anyone here is you.

I did tell you to not be bitter, but I see my advice has fallen on deaf ears.

May peace be with you and may you not lash out at others for exploring thoughts that you cannot comprehend.

All the best.

:)

[john white]

Well thanks for that Astralburger

I'd hope you could comprehend a measure of exasperation with people throwing out the baby with the bathwater

It's certainly not a mistake Icke makes, look at how often he has referenced the research of people whose world views he does not agree with

[astralburger]

I'd hope you could comprehend a measure of exasperation with people throwing out the baby with the bathwater

Have you seen The Wicker Man (the original please)?

If not, here's the plot:

The Wicker Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sergeant Neil Howie is sent an anonymous letter recommending that he investigate the disappearance of a young girl, Rowan Morrison, on the remote Hebridean island of Summerisle. He flies to the island and during his investigations discovers that the entire population follows a neo-pagan cult under the island's owner Lord Summerisle, believing in re-incarnation, worshipping the sun and engaging in fertility rituals and sexual magic in order to appease immanent natural forces.

Howie, a devout Christian, is increasingly shocked by the islanders' behaviour; yet he is attracted and repelled by the alluring and sexual Willow, the daughter of the landlord of the inn where he is staying. He receives no assistance in his search from the islanders, who initially deny Morrison exists and then say that she recently died. At her grave however he finds only a hare interred. Howie persists and uncovers evidence suggesting the girl was a victim, or perhaps is soon to be a victim, of human sacrifice.

Delving deeper into the island's culture, he disguises himself as Punch, a principal character of the May Day festival, to uncover the details of the ceremony as it is acted out. As he comes across Rowan during the rituals, he reveals himself to her. The two flee through caves but end up at a precipice, where Lord Summerisle awaits them. Now it is revealed that Rowan led Howie intentionally to this place, so that the islanders can use him as sacrifice, which they believe will restore the fertility of their orchards.

As the islanders seize Howie, they explain to him that the sacrifice will be especially effective since Howie comes to the place of sacrifice of his own free will, with the power of a king (by representing the law), a fool and a virgin. Howie in turn admonishes them, that killing him would not restore their fertility, that they would have to sacrifice Lord Summerisle next year, that they all would be guilty of murder and that his disappearance would not go unnoticed. Lord Summerisle however expresses his certainty that the sacrifice will work and that no traces of his presence would be left. Howie is forced into the belly of a large hollow wicker statue of a man, which is set on fire. In the final shot of the film, the islanders surround the burning wicker man and sing the Middle English folk-song "Sumer Is Icumen In" while the terrified Howie shouts out Psalm 23 and implores divine vengeance on the island and its inhabitants. It is left ambigous as to whether or not the crops failed the following year.

[john white]

Beware! Britt Ecklands butt is a fake, they got in a body double

[astralburger]

:)

[adimon]

If you're looking for a fight, or just feel like being defensive don't bother talking to me.

The world is rising up against america (largely due to neoconservative philosophies in action), yes, its by design, just as the world rised against the nazis.

Cheerio

Not looking for a fight at all. Perhaps you could support your statement by describing how the world is rising up against America then?

Beware! Britt Ecklands butt is a fake, they got in a body double

Yes I was most disappointed when I found that out. Same for Joanne Whalley in Scandal. Meh! :mad::D

[astralburger]

Not looking for a fight at all. Perhaps you could support your statement by describing how the world is rising up against America then?

I don't need to because its self-evident. If you can't see it, I could care less.

Cheers :)

[adimon]

If you're looking for a fight, or just feel like being defensive don't bother talking to me.

I don't need to because its self-evident. If you can't see it, I could care less.

Real friendly.

[otto vollov]

This thread was originally about David Ray Griffin and his work about debunking 9/11 debunkers.

I've had a run in with several relatives and friends who, without an ounce of critical thinking, say that Popular Mechanics said it ..so it must be true. I down loaded the link here and copied it to some CDs and sent it off to these conspiracy wackos, who believe the official story.

I'm getting positive feed back from some. Others just have a brain short circuit. I don't care if a poster believes David Ray Griffin is a new world order lacky. Griffin can express himself and his views very well and get more ppl on track with the NWO agenda and the US puppets.

Wish D.R. Griffin understood the global warming con job, maybe he should study that one too as he's confused.

[weston white]

Perhaps Griffin has faith in the "Star Trek TNG" concept. heh.

[otto vollov]

Perhaps Griffin has faith in the "Star Trek TNG" concept. heh.

That would be ideal. Maybe the US should follow the prime directive and stay the hell out of every one else's business. Perhaps. :cool:

[weston white]

lol

[john white]

Indeed

[good_vibrations]

David Ray Griffin is working for the perps

He supports planes and controlled demolition.

[masonfree party]

David Ray Griffin is working for the perps

He supports planes and controlled demolition.

just another gate keeper like Crane/Boyle/Barrett and co...its time to get behind the real truthers like judy wood and andrew johnson...no hidden agendas,just fuckin in ya face researched truth

[mr_pixie]

David Ray Griffin is working for the perps

He supports planes and controlled demolition.

Just to make it clear to people new to this, it was a controlled demolition with directed energy weapon's, not with thermite and dynamite or RDX.

[john white]

Just to make it clear to people new to this, it was a controlled demolition with directed energy weapon's, not with thermite and dynamite or RDX.

Ha! Thats more "Star Trek" than Griffens belief in World Government

Stop spamming my thread with conspiracyville fluff

[mr_pixie]

Ha! Thats more "Star Trek" than Griffens belief in World Government

Stop spamming my thread with conspiracyville fluff

John, grow up mate this is a public forum matey I'll post were ever I want to.

[john white]

Doesnt mean its not spam

But then again, what can you actually say against Griffens work exposing the 9/11 commission report? Nothing

[adimon]

John, what do you make of Judy Wood's work on the dust etc?

[astralburger]

Doesnt mean its not spam

I hate to break it to you, but you're a complete troll, mate.

But then again, what can you actually say against Griffens work exposing the 9/11 commission report? Nothing
As has been reiterated numerous times now, throughout history all the revolutions (that our respective governments have bothered to let us know about, mind you) have been controlled from the getgo. This is the point, and you are unable to grasp it. Disagree with it if you will, but understand it first. You seem unable to absorb the notion of controlled revolutions (the principle that gives precedent and reason to be highly scrutinous of Griffin). What you are doing is analogous to a normie freaking out because his friend is telling him about chemtrails. Its just emotion, you have no intellectual response.

[mr_pixie]

Doesnt mean its not spam

But then again, what can you actually say against Griffens work exposing the 9/11 commission report? Nothing

To be fair to Griffin he has done a lot of work for 9/11 Truth, but if he is a genunie guy then his research into the the molten metal has let him down, as there was no molten metal so why doesnt speak up about that then?

If No Planes is to much for him, then at lest have another look at these so called hot spot at ground zero after all he is a schollar.

John, I dont know why you beleive in the molten metal myth?

[astralburger]

Just ran across this, thought it was relevant here:

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers."
- Writer Thomas Pynchon, Jr.

[mr_pixie]

John, what do you make of Judy Wood's work on the dust etc?


Your wasting your time mate.

[john white]

John, what do you make of Judy Wood's work on the dust etc?

Ask me on a thread thats actually about Judy Wood's "theories". Its not hard to find one around here thanks to the spam cheer leaders

[weston white]

A few days ago I had a thought about the directed energy weapons theory (AKA: beam rays from space) a few days ago. It occurred to me that the way the buildings collapsed is not in support of this theory anyways.

To break down my thoughts on this theory, I am using a taffy example because this is essentially what the beam ray theory is based on, superheating a massive structure for the purpose of causing an instantaneous global structural failure.

Taffy, we know that at room temperature it is very rigid until you expose it to heat then it softens up and becomes flexible, the same could be said about all forms of metal, i.e. steel and aluminum.

Thus in what was witnessed with the explosions of WTC1 and WTC2 and the explosive implosion of WTC7 a superheating could not have occurred as this action would have caused the buildings to forego a “taffy effect” meaning the buildings would begin wavering under the pull of gravity as well as from wind sheer.

A superheating ray would not cause an explosive reaction, unless of course there were explosives planted throughout the structure being superheated.

As well I doubt a superheating ray would have little to no effect on concrete do to its ability to disperse heat similar to that of ceramics.


As far as the theory about some type of reverse polarity ray or sonic sound submission ray (intense vibration), no witnesses report experiencing or observing such rays, if there were such actions taking place near a person they would know it they would feel the vibrations and their bodies would sense such actions taking place.

As well what about the effects of such devices being used in the vicinity of electronics? i.e. Would they not cause videos cameras to fail, what about all of the helicopters flying around, would such devices cause them to fail? Whether they be any combination of superheating rays, sonic rays, and/or polarity switching rays? These fragile electronic instruments and devices would not be immune from such powerful devices, devices powerful enough to break down structures such as WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 (let alone WTC3, WTC4, WTC5, and WTC6 for that matter). Surely such devices could not be “programmed” to avoid such devices as helicopters and video cameras, (this notion is just silly).

Additionally, if such devices were used, we would expect to have observed strange occurrences with the failure of each building, such as objects floating against gravity, hovering, zigzagging or spinning pool effects (or whirlpool effect, i.e. spinning the drain) as they fall to the ground, delayed or slow falling objects, etc. As well the use of such devices still does not explain why the buildings exploded, as using such a device would not cause the buildings to explode over a 600-800 foot 360-degree circumference, but merely fail, i.e. using such a devise as mentioned above would cause the building to just fall straight down as if all of the bolts have been removed and all of the welds, buttings, and inserts had been broken or dismantled simultaneously causing the building to just fall fairly straight (with the likely hood of strange effects as aforementioned) down like a tumbling Lincoln Logs cabin or a poorly built toy constructor set.