The final countdown

[lightgiver]

Within the British aristocracy and European nobility?

That’s right. Foremost amongst them is the Queens first cousin, the Duke of Kent, who heads the Quatuor Coronation “research” lodge of the Grand Mother Lodge of British Freemasonry. The Lodge has an ongoing operation on Temple Mount itself, run on a day-to-day basis by the Seventh Marquis of Northampton, Spencer Douglas David Compton. Admittedly it may seem a little odd that British aristocrats are involved in the goings on at Temple Mount but take note, it gets even stranger. Because the Duke of Kent and Lord Northampton are both adherents of British Israelism: a doctrine that holds that the cream of British aristocracy is descended from one of the lost Tribes of Israel.

According to Lord Northampton: “I think the tradition of the Kabbalah is very strong in England, because I think one of the lost tribes came to England. And I think you can spot them, quite clearly, in old English families. I am sure you can. I know they came to Ireland, then to the North of Wales, and then down into England. And then became some of the oldest families we have.” In Lord Northamptons view America was also colonised by another of the lost Tribes. “That was all predicted, that one would go to Hyperborea, the land of the north, and one would go across the sea.” He told an interviewer: . . “so I think that America and England got the Two Lost Tribes, and that is why they then, in a very intellectual Jewish way, started to run the world!”

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=107

http://the-red-thread.net/index.html

The Red Thread Bloodline of the Hebrew People:

connect the dots.

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=8250619454941053618&ei=7jhySavVIInojgLngsm5BQ&q=ring+of+power+part+1&hl=en

Spencer Douglas David Compton, 7th Marquess of Northampton (or "Spenny" as he is affectionately known to close friends and brethren) has served for ten years in the position, but has had health issues arise recently. Interestingly, he has been described as "Britain's wealthiest Buddhist.

Lord Northampton is, by his own admission, a practitioner of the satanic rituals of Aleister Crowley. Indeed, as he explained to an interviewer, Lord Northampton installed one of the world’s leading "scholars" of the Golden Dawn cult, R.A. Gilbert, as the editor-in-chief of Ars Quatuor Coronarum, the theoretical journal of the lodge. Crowley had written an account of his "spiritual progress" in magic and Satanism under the title The Temple of Solomon the King.

It appears lord NORTH hampton likes to dabble in different practises?http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/rebuild_temple.html

something strange indeed is going on.

http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/46/p09.php

[cleopatraxxx]

i wonder how they decide the descendancy: by the fathers blood, the mothers or ?

what about Scottish Royals? any known? if, yes, who?

it is an interesting topic...

[lightgiver]

i wonder how they decide the descendancy: by the fathers blood, the mothers or ?

what about Scottish Royals? any known? if, yes, who?

it is an interesting topic...

We all descend from the same place,;)(different tribes)i think this is the message being put across,

we have to look back in history,the cradle of life and all that;)
Did you read the links?

Basically the royalty descend from Egypt sort of direction and the peoples of the British isles descend apparently from one of the lost tribes of Judah sort of direction,red white and blue,watch the vid.

and along the way they have all interbred and kept to certain bloodlines,its all in d ickes books,about the bloodlines.

You have to connect the dots.

According to Lord Northampton: “I think the tradition of the Kabbalah is very strong in England, because I think one of the lost tribes came to England. And I think you can spot them, quite clearly, in old English families. I am sure you can. I know they came to Ireland, then to the North of Wales, and then down into England. And then became some of the oldest families we have.” In Lord Northamptons view America was also colonised by another of the lost Tribes. “That was all predicted, that one would go to Hyperborea, the land of the north, and one would go across the sea.

There are numerous references in Biblical writings. In Ezekiel 37:16-17, the prophet is told to write on one staff (quoted here in part) "For Judah..." and on the other (quoted here in part) , "For Joseph..." (the main Lost Tribe). The prophet is then told that these two groups shall be someday reunited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Judah

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8453/juda2uo5.jpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=juda2uo5.jpg)

[cleopatraxxx]

y lightgiver, i read the links
cheers

[lightgiver]

y lightgiver, i read the links
cheers

And all of this relates to the middle east problems we are seeing;)IMHO.

[cleopatraxxx]

And all of this relates to the middle east problems we are seeing;)IMHO.

y, i agree 100%, as well as nibiru, mainly because the pyramids aren't of human constructas well as it is connected to the pharaoh rulings, +the King's chmaber is irected facing the star of Orion, where supposedly the Nibiruans come from...

[lightgiver]

The tribe of Judah stood apart from the others as the leading tribe of the Kingdom of Judah, and from the tribe came the kingdom's rulers (though not the later Hasmonean kings of Judea, who were Levites). The regal status of Judah is seemingly prophesied in the Blessing of Jacob, which argues that the staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet... though some textual scholars view this as postdiction, since they date the poem to a few centuries after the Song of Deborah, to roughly 800-700 BC. With the Davidic line thus being from the tribe, the tribe counted David among its members, as well as his ancestors Boaz, Obed, and Jesse. According to Jewish belief, since the Blessing appears to promise that Judah would always rule the kingdom, the (Jewish) Messiah had to be a member of the tribe.

some interesting links,connect the dots?

http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/prophecy/priory.htm

http://watch.pair.com/priory.html

* the Priory of Sion protects Merovingian dynasty because they may be the genealogical descendants of the historical Jesus and his alleged wife, Mary Magdalene, traced further back to King David; and
* the Church tried to kill off all remnants of this dynasty and their supposed guardians, the Cathars and the Templars, in order for popes to hold the episcopal throne through the apostolic succession of Peter without fear of it ever being usurped by an antipope from the hereditary succession of Mary Magdalene.

Lincoln expanded on the conspiracy theories, writing his own books on the subject, and creating a series of BBC Two documentaries in the 1970s about the mysteries of the Rennes-le-Château area. In response to a tip from Gérard de Sède, Lincoln claims he was also the one who discovered the Dossiers Secrets, a series of planted genealogies which appeared to further confirm the link with the extinct Merovingian bloodline. The documents claimed that the Priory of Sion and the Knights Templar were two fronts of one unified organization with the same leadership until 1188.
The authors therefore concluded that the modern goals of the Priory of Sion are:

* the public revelation of the Holy Grail - a secret tied to the lost treasure of the Temple in Jerusalem - which would facilitate Merovingian restoration in France;
* the establishment of a theocratic "United States of Europe", as an interlocking network of Merovingian popular monarchies, which would re-institutionalize chivalry, and be politically and religiously unified through the imperial cult of a Merovingian sacred king, who occupies both the throne of Europe and the Holy See; and
* the transfer of the governance of Europe and its sphere of influence to the Priory of Sion through a federal parliament.

Bloodline movie

The 2008 documentary film Bloodline by Bruce Burgess, a filmmaker with an interest in paranormal claims, expands on the "Jesus bloodline" hypothesis and other elements of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail. Accepting as valid the testimony of an amateur archaeologist codenamed "Ben Hammott" relating to his discoveries made in the vicinity of Rennes-le-Château since 1999; Burgess claims to have found the treasure of Bérenger Saunière: several mummified corpses (one of which is allegedly Mary Magdalene) in three underground tombs created by the Knights Templar under the orders of the Priory of Sion.

Something is afoot??

[stewart edwards]

* the establishment of a theocratic "United States of Europe", as an interlocking network of Merovingian popular monarchies, which would re-institutionalize chivalry, and be politically and religiously unified through the imperial cult of a Merovingian sacred king, who occupies both the throne of Europe and the Holy See; So who do you think is going to become this Boss of Europe and Pope then?

If it were to happen I suspect that Scotland would need to change an old law for I cant see a Scotsman giving up his nationality to take the job. And it would have to be a Scotsman;):eek:


You clearly spend a lot of time on this sort of stuff lightgiver.

[lightgiver]

So who do you think is going to become this Boss of Europe and Pope then?

If it were to happen I suspect that Scotland would need to change an old law for I cant see a Scotsman giving up his nationality to take the job. And it would have to be a Scotsman;):eek:


You clearly spend a lot of time on this sort of stuff lightgiver.

I have an idea,and its not what some may think,i do not spend a lot of time researching,everything is in plain view,its just people do not choose to see,but in a world of materialism one knows why.

I do not think there will be a boss,and whoever thinks he or she is boss, it is temporary like everything you see;)

One thing is for sure everyone needs to start being the boss of themselves and stop following idiotic leaders who just think of themselves and their acquaintances,not saying everyone in TPTB structure is corrupt just the majority.:)

We will see what unfolds.

Connect the dots.:D one thing is for sure you have to earn it,to acquire or deserve through action or behaviour.

"Greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world."

[stewart edwards]

I have an idea,Are you willing to share. I really am interested.


I do not think there will be a boss,and whoever thinks he or she is boss, it is temporary like everything you see;)I agree with your sentiments but you did say:- a Merovingian sacred king, who occupies both the throne of Europe and the Holy Seeso perhaps I should have said King as opposed to Boss. So who do you think it is going to be? (assuming of course that they want the job).


One thing is for sure everyone needs to start being the boss of themselvesThis I do agree with.



one thing is for sure you have to earn it,to acquire or deserve through action or behaviour.Never a truer word said.

[lightgiver]

Are you willing to share. I really am interested.


I agree with your sentiments but you did say:- so perhaps I should have said King as opposed to Boss. So who do you think it is going to be? (assuming of course that they want the job).


This I do agree with.



Never a truer word said.

I just think they are lining something up and if the said person is who they say they are,would you expect the said person to be from nobility;)

Events will unfold.IMHO. but i am no expert.

[stewart edwards]

if the said person is who they say they are,But who do you think that the "said" person, who you said is "a Merovingian sacred king, who occupies both the throne of Europe and the Holy See" will be? Come on have some self-confidence, trust your guts, who do you think it will be?

[lightgiver]

But who do you think that the "said" person, who you said is "a Merovingian sacred king, who occupies both the throne of Europe and the Holy See" will be? Come on have some self-confidence, trust your guts, who do you think it will be?

Seek and you shall find.you tell me?and is it really true?;)

and would the said person occupy a throne? trust your guts.

[stewart edwards]

Seek and you shall find.you tell me?and is it really true?;)Oh now you are playing with me lightgiver. That is not fair.:eek:

Come on answer the question. You brought it up. I am just trying to get you to have the courage of your convictions.


But to be fair, let me answer your question. I spent many years seeking and did find, some years ago now. And yes it really is true. I could only tell you what I hope to do in the future. Become Grand Master of UGLE (to please Mike and Keystone:D), General Secrestary of the United Nations (a tadge ambitious given that the UN rules would need to be rewritten to allow a Brit to have the job). Pope, me, I am not even Catholic (though I am currently reading a Catholic study bible - do you think that would impress the Cardinals/Bishops?).

Now seriously lightgiver, you brought this up, have the courage of your convictions and tell us who you think is "a Merovingian sacred king, who occupies both the throne of Europe and the Holy See" I really am interested in your opinion.

[lightgiver]

Oh now you are playing with me lightgiver. That is not fair.:eek:

Come on answer the question. You brought it up. I am just trying to get you to have the courage of your convictions.


But to be fair, let me answer your question. I spent many years seeking and did find, some years ago now. And yes it really is true. I could only tell you what I hope to do in the future. Become Grand Master of UGLE (to please Mike and Keystone:D), General Secrestary of the United Nations (a tadge ambitious given that the UN rules would need to be rewritten to allow a Brit to have the job). Pope, me, I am not even Catholic (though I am currently reading a Catholic study bible - do you think that would impress the Cardinals/Bishops?).

Now seriously lightgiver, you brought this up, have the courage of your convictions and tell us who you think is "a Merovingian sacred king, who occupies both the throne of Europe and the Holy See" I really am interested in your opinion.

Are you serious:confused::) speaking of kings,

In many historical societies, the office of kingship carries a sacral meaning, that is, it is identical with that of a high priest and of judge.

The notion has prehistoric roots and is found worldwide, on Java as in sub-Saharan Africa, with shaman-kings credited with rain-making and assuring fertility and good fortune. On the other hand, the king might also be designated to suffer and atone for his people, meaning that the sacral king could be the pre-ordained victim of a human sacrifice, either regularly killed at the end of his term of office, or sacrificed in times of crisis :eek::eek:;):D

How is your tantra practise going.?

BTW is it correct? the British isles connection to the tribes of Judah,i believe it to be.

this is interesting,

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7752/royalstandardkr3.gif (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=royalstandardkr3.gif)

The Queen is the 122nd lineal descendant of King David, who is of the tribe of Judah. The royal line of the Messiah comes through the tribe of Judah and continues until His second coming. Note the royal standard above sees King David's Harp (Ireland), the red rampant lion of the Zerah line of Judah (Scotland), and the three lions of the tribe of Judah. It is important also to note that it is documented that King William the Conqueror and the Normans were descendants of Judah which is significant because they introduced the lions emblem to England in the 11th Century. Jesus Christ is the Lion of The Tribe of Judah (Revelation 5 verse 5), and The King of Kings (Revelation 19 verse 16).

What do you feel.? copy and paste,mind you,but some just have a feeling on these issues.

And i belong to no secret societies of any kind,just so others are aware,a lot are aware of this info i am sure.

But is it all factual,only some really know that answer,maybe that's why we have secret societies?

and the only concrete proof of all this is the STONE of destiny.Pardon the pun.http://jahtruth.net/liafail.htm

I feel you want people to know this?

we all should tread with caution when approaching these subjects as we do not want to be placing suggestions in peoples minds,work it out for yourself,and come to your own understanding.

I could be totally wrong,this is just cross reference work, copy and paste and a keen interest.

So if this true?this means some people maybe a lot of the British isles may be related to The Tribes of judah.

Better get checking peeps because your families descend from somewhere,and they still have not found a missing link,or have they.??

if we believe in Darwinism and the evolution theory would we still not be apes.??

http://watch.pair.com/false-christ.html

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an ABOMINABLE BRANCH, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. - Is. 14:12-19

now what about this then :cool:

The British people, who are Israelites, under The Covenant, have been betrayed; impoverished and oppressed by the monarchy through-out its long and evil existence, because the people themselves have not kept The Covenant, that they swore at Sinai to keep for ever.

http://jahtruth.net/britmon.htm

The word British is Hebrew and it means "Covenant Man" or the "People of The Covenant", as it does also in the Welsh language.

Elizabeth Mountbatten, also known by the aliases Elizabeth Windsor and Elizabeth the Second, who has never officially been crowned, because she was crowned sitting upon a fake Stone of Destiny, is, like all of her predecessors, from the royal line of king David of Israel and the British Throne is the Throne of David that is to be inherited by Christ, during the Second-Coming, very soon according to Nostradamus.

The year 1999 seven (sept) month (July or Sept-ember)
From heaven will come a great King of Terror/Alarm/Warning(not the MUSLIMS)the Muslims have been deceived also.
(Prophet - Elijah - see the Old Testament Book of Malachi chapter 4)
He will bring back to life the Great King of Israel (Christ)
Before (warning) after war (Armageddon) reigns in good (God's) time - (the Seventh i.e. the Sabbath Millennium - the third millennium A.D.).

The British people, who are Israelites, under The Covenant, have been betrayed; impoverished and oppressed by the monarchy through-out its long and evil existence, because the people themselves have not kept The Covenant, that they swore at Sinai to keep for ever.

Under that Covenant the monarch is prohibited from using their position for personal material gain of any kind and from making up their own laws and taxes and economic policies; either themselves or their politicians. To prove this FACT, I will quote you the relevant clauses of The Covenant (contract):- http://jahtruth.net/britmon.htm

Look at every bodys jaw drop. NOW which is the TRUTH?

Elizabeth Mountbatten swore on and kissed the Sovereign's Holy Bible that contains The Law and verses just quoted, at her fraudulent coronation, "to faithfully serve God and the people for the rest of her life". Faithfully serving God means obeying Him and His Law, and, the first time she gave "Royal Assent" to any piece of legislation, she broke that solemn Coronation Oath and so was no longer the sovereign, with immediate effect, even if she had been crowned on the real Coronation Stone and had ever really been the sovereign, which she never was and is not.

The British monarchy knows full well that it is descended from David and that the Stone of Destiny is Jacob's Pillar and the Throne of David because they have ample evidence in their possession*. Why else then would they have hidden the TRUTH from the people, except in order to rip them off under their own laws. It cannot possibly be that they are ashamed of the fact that they are descended from David or that the British peoples are Israel, God's Chosen people. The monarchy does not want the people to learn and keep The Covenant and God's Laws, or they would teach The Covenant in school. They want people to obey their laws, under which they can keep the people in poverty and slaves to them and their friends. Employee is only a modern polite word for slave.

Ezekiel 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it (the Throne of David): and it shall be no [more], [overturned] UNTIL he come whose Right it is; and I will give it [him - Shiloh/Christ (Genesis 49 v 10)].

When Christ sits upon the Stone of Destiny, as prophesied through Ezekiel and is inaugurated as the King of all of the British people and of kings, the British Davidic monarchy will be finished; The Covenant reinstated and the wealth redistributed. Amen - JAH.

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?

And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic Mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

[stewart edwards]

Very interesting lightgiver, and you may be correct, however:-

1. You still havent answered my question.
2. It is better to work from your heart than cut and paste.
3. Scots Kings have a history of being murdered for one reason or another. Its not that uncommon.

Now come on have the courage of your convictions, dont search the web, trust your guts, you said that you had an idea, who do you think the "Merovingian sacred king, who occupies both the throne of Europe and the Holy See" will be?

[drael]

I love that song....epic eighties synth heaven...

[grandsecretary]

From earliest times, organised Freemasonry has drawn upon a Judaeo-Christian tradition. This tradition is one in which some earlier religious forms have been accommodated, including a reverence for stone.

In northern Europe, true oaths have always been considered to be of a permanent nature, and to have been "stone like" in their durability. We know from the writings of the Danish medieval historian Saxo Grammaticus (c.1150 to c.1206), who had been asked by Bishop Absalon to write a history which included that of the heathens, that in earliest times when the "ancients" chose a king they would stand on stones proclaiming in this act the steadfastness of their commitment, and likening it to the enduring nature of the stones themselves.

King Athelstan, (Bretwalda) Lord of the Britons, who chartered The Assemby of Masons at York, and approved the Constitutions of Masonrie, was crowned standing on this stone (AD 925).

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/grandsecretary/Athelstanstone.jpg

One may also consider within this tradition the continuing symbolic importance of the Stone of Destiny, or as it is sometimes called the Stone of Scone, used in the coronation of the British monarch as part of this notion of steadfastness and commitment found within the northern European tradition. The actual stone, a sandstone block, weighing a little over three hundred and thirty pounds, was captured by Edward I in 1296 and placed in Westminster Abbey, where, as part of the throne of Edward the Confessor. It has been used ever since by English and British monarchs during their coronation ceremonies.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/grandsecretary/stone-destiny-scone.jpg

Although some claim biblical origin for the stone, and that it is a holy relic, what is known is that Dalriadic, Scottish, English, and then British monarchs have employed the stone realising its profound symbolic power. The stone, returned to Scotland on St Andrew's Day 1996, retains its potency for political exploitation. Alex Salmond, Scotland's First Minister, claimed earlier this month (August 2008) that the stone captured by the English King, whom Mr Salmond bitterly refers to as "the most ruthless king in Christendom", was a fake, and that he believes that the true stone was hidden from King Edward somewhere in the Perthshire hillside.

We know too that in classical times the Iuppiter Lapis (Jupiter Stone) was considered to represent the god Jupiter, and in a sense was the god, as Jupiter's role as the divine law giver was confirmed by the fetial, one of the twenty priestly officials concerned with international relations, when standing at that point as the representative of the people, in the act of treaty making. The terrible penalty for breaking the oath entered into was made plain at the time of sacrifice which formed an integral part of the ceremony.

Stone has, of course, always possessed a profound relevance within the ceremonies of Freemasonry, and the Old and New Testaments are replete with religious and ceremonial references to stone. We know that in England early Christian churches were often built upon already existing religious sites. Such sites were frequently marked out by the presence of sacred stones, as is likely to be the case with St Mary's Church at Eversley, in north-Hampshire, where a sarsen stone is located between the font and the choir stalls.

We read in the Old Testament frequent references to the steadfastness of stone, and the token of permanence proffered by it.

The stone set by Samuel between Mizpeh and Shen and named "Ebe-nezer", betokened the help of the Lord.

There is, as Sir James Frazer made abundantly clear, a common custom of swearing upon a stone, and Frazer thought it likely that it was the strength and stability of the stone that provided confirmation of an oath.

The strength and stability of the stone could be readily contrasted with the frailties to which mortal men were heir.

(I am grateful to Richard Martin Young - Grand Chancellor - Grand Lodge of All England for the use of his article, Oaths, Oath Taking, Equivocation and Mental reservation which may be read in full, here: Http://www.grandlodge.blogspot.com/

It is the strength and stability of a stone that provides the symbolic strength, stability and permanence of an oath. It is the oath that is important, not the stone itself.

[scotia]

The stone of destiny, philosophers stone , the sword in the stone etc are all linked...

The "stone" has many meanings...

I would not listen to anything that comes from England regarding History. They are as bad as the Romans, some would say they are the Romans...

It's true these isles are home to some of the "lost tribes", but lost from where?

Alpha-omega, did the Celts give ancient greece its alphabet?

The majority of the people on these isles are linked through genetics... Read the "Declaration of Arbroath" and you may find where you all came from...

[lightgiver]

Very interesting lightgiver, and you may be correct, however:-

1. You still havent answered my question.
2. It is better to work from your heart than cut and paste.
3. Scots Kings have a history of being murdered for one reason or another. Its not that uncommon.

Now come on have the courage of your convictions, dont search the web, trust your guts, you said that you had an idea, who do you think the "Merovingian sacred king, who occupies both the throne of Europe and the Holy See" will be?

I can tell you who it isn't,i do trust my guts but intuition is telling me not to say for the moment;)
and a lot of people are and have been killed in our tragic history,one wonders how we got this far.
Why are you so keen to know,but give very little away from your side.?

I will tell you something though,i feel connected to this tribe,just a feeling i have,because on my fathers side my cousin was circumcised?for what reason?and we descend out of ireland,so i feel my family or partner along the line are connected in one way or another in the blood should i say,either that or i am looking to deep into it all.?and maybe there is a queen(not the present one).BTW my partner thinks i am mad:D

tribe of Judah,i feel something with that,but we are brought up in schools such as ST GEORGE 2 schools i attended.,a lot of common 1st names in England are bible names.co incidence?


On his robe and his thigh he has a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.on his thigh what does that mean?
<< Revelation 19:16 >>

12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Gad,


(Revelation 5 verse 5)

There is a ancient Celtic martial art called Greenoch. It was used by a secret society called the Greenoch during medievel times for assassinations and espionage.The group were for the most part employed secretly by the royal courts of medi evil Europe.:eek:

and the cut and paste does come from my heart,its just easier to copy and paste;)

I have also noticed the lions holding up the throne,on gs pic,reminds me of Buddha's throne;)


Now come on have the courage of your convictions, dont search the web, trust your guts, you said that you had an idea, who do you think the "Merovingian sacred king, who occupies both the throne of Europe and the Holy See" will be?
I will give you an answer,

Jesus Christ is the Lion of The Tribe of Judah,and the TRUE MEROVINGIAN sacred King. Thats in my humble opinion.

What is this?In his 1996 book Bloodline of the Holy Grail: The Hidden Lineage of Jesus Revealed, Laurence Gardner presented pedigree charts of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as the ancestors of all the European royal families of the Common Era. His 2000 sequel Genesis of the Grail Kings: The Explosive Story of Genetic Cloning and the Ancient Bloodline of Jesus is unique in claiming that the Jesus bloodline can truly be traced back to Adam and Eve but that the first man and woman were primate-alien hybrids created by the Anunnaki of ancient astronaut theory. The 2000 book Rex Deus: The True Mystery of Rennes-Le-Chateau and the Dynasty of Jesus, Marylin Hopkins, Graham Simmans and Tim Wallace-Murphy developed the hypothesis that a Jesus and Mary Magdalene bloodline was part of a shadow dynasty descended from twenty-four high priests of the Temple in Jerusalem known as "Rex Deus" - the "Kings of God".

"The stars must be aligned in a specific way in order for Set [Satan] to be properly invoked."

— Kenneth Grant, Grand Master, OTO,http://watch.pair.com/plantard-crest.html

This just gets stranger.Tread with caution one feels.

[lightgiver]

The stone of destiny, philosophers stone , the sword in the stone etc are all linked...

The "stone" has many meanings...

I would not listen to anything that comes from England regarding History. They are as bad as the Romans, some would say they are the Romans...

It's true these isles are home to some of the "lost tribes", but lost from where?

Alpha-omega, did the Celts give ancient greece its alphabet?

The majority of the people on these isles are linked through genetics... Read the "Declaration of Arbroath" and you may find where you all came from...

This may help;)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Judah

[grandsecretary]

The stone of destiny, philosophers stone , the sword in the stone etc are all linked...

The "stone" has many meanings...

I would not listen to anything that comes from England regarding History. They are as bad as the Romans, some would say they are the Romans...

It's true these isles are home to some of the "lost tribes", but lost from where?

Alpha-omega, did the Celts give ancient greece its alphabet?

The majority of the people on these isles are linked through genetics... Read the "Declaration of Arbroath" and you may find where you all came from...

Alex Salmond in the Chief Minister of The Scottish Parliament. I am English, and that is history. Cannot recommend your approach to history.

[lightgiver]

Alex Salmond in the Chief Minister of The Scottish Parliament. I am English, and that is history. Cannot recommend your approach to history.

Hi GS,hope you slept well sorry for keeping you up the other night;)

do you know what this means metaphorically speaking i have an idea but you may no more about this subject,thanks:)

On his robe and his thigh he has a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.on his thigh what does that mean?
<< Revelation 19:16 >>

http://www.piney.com/MuSinai.html

John 7:4 For there is no man that does any thing in secret, and he himself seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world [cosmos]. HHMMM.

[grandsecretary]

Hi GS,hope you slept well sorry for keeping you up the other night;)

do you know what this means metaphorically speaking i have an idea but you may no more about this subject,thanks:)

On his robe and his thigh he has a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.on his thigh what does that mean?
<< Revelation 19:16 >>

http://www.piney.com/MuSinai.html

Yes thanks and I feel much better for it. Let me consider my response to this one. I'll probably have a go tomorrow after I have dug out a few references. :)

[stewart edwards]

I can tell you who it isn't,i do trust my guts but intuition is telling me not to say for the moment;)Fair dues. But I will take you up on your offer of saying who it isnt. So who isnt it then?


and the cut and paste does come from my heart,its just easier to copy and paste;)No it comes from someones else heart or head.

I will give you an answer,Good we got there.

Jesus Christ is the Lion of The Tribe of Judah,and the TRUE MEROVINGIAN sacred King. Thats in my humble opinion.OK, that was 2000 years ago, do you think he is physically walking the Earth today?

Laurence GardnerI have read a couple of his books with much interest.

Lightgiver

I am going to be blunt here. You do say a lot of good and wise things. In many ways I agree with you. But........you really do need to start writing more from your heart and less cutting and pasting. Just because someone wrote something does not necessarily make it true. It may well be true, but it is not a foregone conclusion.

[lightgiver]

Fair dues. But I will take you up on your offer of saying who it isnt. So who isnt it then?


No it comes from someones else heart or head.

Good we got there.

OK, that was 2000 years ago, do you think he is physically walking the Earth today?

I have read a couple of his books with much interest.

Lightgiver

I am going to be blunt here. You do say a lot of good and wise things. In many ways I agree with you. But........you really do need to start writing more from your heart and less cutting and pasting. Just because someone wrote something does not necessarily make it true. It may well be true, but it is not a foregone conclusion.

ITS not prince willy,?????everyone is good and bad.
and things i put down come from what i believe also,i am not writing everything down what i believe when it is already written,i would be here for hours, i already spend to much time here,and i really do not know who you are,you assume to be who you are,but how do i really know who you are.?

follow christs,buddhas,Mohammed,whatever you want as long as you do it with a good heart,you will be fine.IMO.

just avoiding buying anything.:D

and yes i do think there are many christs walking the earth,because everyone as christ like nature.

and teachings do not cost MONEY.IMHO:)

and yes i do believe in the true teachings of Christ and the Buddha,but all the symbolism puts me off in tantra practise that is,i do not feel comfortable bowing in front of idols,ringing bells,shaking damarus,not by cup of tea,you should live the life of a saint or bodhisattva and doing goodness in your daily day life is the way to the divine in my humble eyes.

There you go no copy and paste.I am just a simple northerner son of a Joiner;):D and i have descendants from Ireland and so do a lot of people,but i still believe the tribe of judah connection,unless it was a massive mind control at school:D

Games are being played,and i for one will not be fooled.

and yes the book looks interesting,but i will not be BUYING it.I will wait until some one buys it for me.

[scotia]

This may help;)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Judah

Helps with what Lightgiver? After the 'ice age' people started heading north again, was this new land they were exploring or were they coming back to their old land?

Grandsecretary- Where did I mention Alex Salmond? - I agree with some of what he said, a few of the false rulers of England/Britain/Briton etc never sat on that stone, and that stone is the stone that matters, when talking of solid rock... The sword in the stone could be something quite different, English is a funny old language as words can have so many meanings...

I spoke of England, your 'celtic' history has been destroyed by Rome and kept buried by England. I am not talking of the English people as most of them are not aware of who they are, except the areas still strong which are easy to see... I am talking of the English System and Power, or 'old' power, and this can be traced back along with evil, cash and wigs. Black has been turned to white and back again many times and so on, many people are lost in multiple ways...

Why can you not recommend my approach to History? I would be interested in hearing why you think this..

Times are changing, some people are looking to the "new age" and others are waiting for the "old age"... How old is old?

[grandsecretary]

Helps with what Lightgiver? After the 'ice age' people started heading north again, was this new land they were exploring or were they coming back to their old land?

Grandsecretary- Where did I mention Alex Salmond? - I agree with some of what he said, a few of the false rulers of England/Britain/Briton etc never sat on that stone, and that stone is the stone that matters, when talking of solid rock... The sword in the stone could be something quite different, English is a funny old language as words can have so many meanings...

I spoke of England, your 'celtic' history has been destroyed by Rome and kept buried by England. I am not talking of the English people as most of them are not aware of who they are, except the areas still strong which are easy to see... I am talking of the English System and Power, or 'old' power, and this can be traced back along with evil, cash and wigs. Black has been turned to white and back again many times and so on, many people are lost in multiple ways...

Why can you not recommend my approach to History? I would be interested in hearing why you think this..

Times are changing, some people are looking to the "new age" and others are waiting for the "old age"... How old is old?

No, the actual stone does not matter. The oath is what matters. The stone is merely symbolic.

[scotia]

No, the actual stone does not matter. The oath is what matters. The stone is merely symbolic.

No, the actual stone does matter. Where that stone is now is anyones guess... Many would say the stone is symbolic, as would many say symbols are just symbolic with no real meaning or use..

Some people say that modern day Freemasons for the most part are practicing empty rituals the meaning of which has been long forgotten or they have never been allowed access to this knowledge... I would put symbols and many other things like "stones" in this basket also for some, for others that know they would hold a different view...

Lost knowledge, lost tribes, lost citys.. The truth is out there, somewhere...

[grandsecretary]

No, the actual stone does matter. Where that stone is now is anyones guess... Many would say the stone is symbolic, as would many say symbols are just symbolic with no real meaning or use..

Some people say that modern day Freemasons for the most part are practicing empty rituals the meaning of which has been long forgotten or they have never been allowed access to this knowledge... I would put symbols and many other things like "stones" in this basket also for some, for others that know they would hold a different view...

Lost knowledge, lost tribes, lost citys.. The truth is out there, somewhere...

I suspect that it only matters to Scots who enjoy tweaking English noses. ;)

[scotia]

Hahaha.. Maybe :)

I do believe the English and Scottish are one, and in most part from the same ancient tribe... Once these great people are back as one with the rest that are in other lands and still a bit lost, the good times can happen once again...

Its not only the Scots who 'tweak' noses, Mary Poppins was English along with many great 'wizards', maybe Mr Crowley? Where their roots grow and what tree they are from is anyones guess... But when things are bad everyone runs to the Scottish for help and guidance/knowledge as with 'Shrek'...

But the Scottish is just another name like the English as with the Welsh and not forgetting the Irish... It is a funny old world, finding out what was and what can be is great, looking at it from a positive angle that is(I don't do doom), some would say the world is full of clues, secrets and magic ;)

I am not here to pull anyones legs, just to see if people think for themself and learn myself... I have learned I can learn to much and life is in fact pretty simple and reading to much just adds to the confusion and this is what many want, but it's fun and there are some interesting people online looking for the truth and hiding the truth, others are just watching, talking what some would call rubbish, others would say differnet...

The 'truth' is stranger than 'reality', and finding the truth we have to ignore the middle and look at the start to see what the end/new start can be...

[drael]

Its the final countdown....nah nah nah, na na ne ne ne Mah Mah Mah, mo mo me me me...

[stewart edwards]

Stones can matter in all sorts of ways:-

1. As a symbol, whether of kinghood or of "he loves me cause he's given me a big stone to flash about." Sorry that is a diamond.

2. As an energy store. Any ancient object can hold energy. Whether it is just a symbol of past memeories (eg the gift your granny gave you), or to keep in tune with some on this forum, an obelisk.

3.Stones can act as keys oppening doors to help you progress through life. Some will consider me mad for what follows well such is, it works for me:-

Some years back I wandered through a museum and found that my body started to tingle at one point. It happened again at the same point so I walked forwards and backwards and the tingling came and went. Clearly it could have been some draughty window or electrical device or someother down to earth explanation.

Anyhow time passes and this happens more frequently. Still rarely but more frequently. As the years pass I find that a pattern emerges over several museums. If I try to force it is doesnt but if I just relax it normally happens. There is a clear and distinct pattern as to the primarily stone objects that I am passing when my body tingles. It does not happen for all objects from that time period, but it does happen. Can I prove it - no. But that does not matter. I know others have felt the same, albeit with different objects. As the years passed I became able to feel this energy in the stone more and more finely.

So what does it mean? Am I mad? Possibly, for it defies rational sense. But it has helped me unlock a lot of mysteries, and helped me take steps in answering the eternal questions. A bit like a key handed down over the generations I guess.

I suspect that it is possible that "The Stone" does the same for Monarchs. Its energy can help open doors to wisdom. Jacob may have dreamt on it, and its energies have been there ready and waiting for those who are true of heart to be near it.

But then again it could just be an old lump of stone. But in the same way that a heirloom has intrinsic value and helps recall memeories for the person who it has been passed down through the generations to, the stone may only be effective on those who truly are true of heart.

[drael]

Its the FINAL countdown....lee-le-le-lee la-la-la-lah!

[lightgiver]

Yes thanks and I feel much better for it. Let me consider my response to this one. I'll probably have a go tomorrow after I have dug out a few references. :)

Still waiting GS:)

It appears we have immature comments on this thread does not surprise me.Not you GS.

I take no sides BTW just trying to get to the bottom of the cess pit,maybe its because i made a friend of you GS;):D

Stupid minds comes to mind.

isn't it surprising how people are attached to labels and egos,and they think they are awakened.:D:D

[scotia]

Stones can matter in all sorts of ways:-

But then again it could just be an old lump of stone. But in the same way that a heirloom has intrinsic value and helps recall memeories for the person who it has been passed down through the generations to, the stone may only be effective on those who truly are true of heart.

I agree and understand everything you are saying Stewart... The above quote is one of the most if not the most important, only a true heart could draw the sword from the stone...

Then again, the sword has more than one meaning, as with the stone ;)

[grandsecretary]

Stones can matter in all sorts of ways:-

1. As a symbol, whether of kinghood or of "he loves me cause he's given me a big stone to flash about." Sorry that is a diamond.

2. As an energy store. Any ancient object can hold energy. Whether it is just a symbol of past memeories (eg the gift your granny gave you), or to keep in tune with some on this forum, an obelisk.

3.Stones can act as keys oppening doors to help you progress through life. Some will consider me mad for what follows well such is, it works for me:-

Some years back I wandered through a museum and found that my body started to tingle at one point. It happened again at the same point so I walked forwards and backwards and the tingling came and went. Clearly it could have been some draughty window or electrical device or someother down to earth explanation.

Anyhow time passes and this happens more frequently. Still rarely but more frequently. As the years pass I find that a pattern emerges over several museums. If I try to force it is doesnt but if I just relax it normally happens. There is a clear and distinct pattern as to the primarily stone objects that I am passing when my body tingles. It does not happen for all objects from that time period, but it does happen. Can I prove it - no. But that does not matter. I know others have felt the same, albeit with different objects. As the years passed I became able to feel this energy in the stone more and more finely.

So what does it mean? Am I mad? Possibly, for it defies rational sense. But it has helped me unlock a lot of mysteries, and helped me take steps in answering the eternal questions. A bit like a key handed down over the generations I guess.

I suspect that it is possible that "The Stone" does the same for Monarchs. Its energy can help open doors to wisdom. Jacob may have dreamt on it, and its energies have been there ready and waiting for those who are true of heart to be near it.

But then again it could just be an old lump of stone. But in the same way that a heirloom has intrinsic value and helps recall memeories for the person who it has been passed down through the generations to, the stone may only be effective on those who truly are true of heart.

In response to a question from a patient who asked, "Am I mad Doctor Freud?"

"We are all mad, it is simply a matter of degree."

[stewart edwards]

:D

[thelonious]

That’s right. Foremost amongst them is the Queens first cousin, the Duke of Kent, who heads the Quatuor Coronation “research” lodge of the Grand Mother Lodge of British Freemasonry. The Lodge has an ongoing operation on Temple Mount itself, run on a day-to-day basis by the Seventh Marquis of Northampton, Spencer Douglas David Compton.

Actually, I'm a long-time members of the Quatuor Coronati Correspondence Circle. The Quatuor Coronati Lodge is a Lodge of Research. That means that it doesn't confer degrees, but consists of members who are Masonic scholars, and write academic books and papers on the subject of Freemasonry.

The Quatuor Coronati Lodge has no "operation" going on at the Temple Mount, nor is it headed by the Duke of Kent. The Worshipful Master is actually an acquaintance of mine, Dr. S. Brent Morris, who is the first American to be Master of that Lodge.

http://www.quatuorcoronati.com/

[grandsecretary]

Still waiting GS:)

It appears we have immature comments on this thread does not surprise me.Not you GS.

I take no sides BTW just trying to get to the bottom of the cess pit,maybe its because i made a friend of you GS;):D

Stupid minds comes to mind.

isn't it surprising how people are attached to labels and egos,and they think they are awakened.:D:D

Please be patient. I worked all night and went out at 06.30 this morning for a series of meetings. I arrived home a couple of hours ago. Now leaving aside the cess that you have brought with you, I am not a theologian. So, I am taking advice from a Professor of Divinities at Milan University. I will get back to you with a considered answer - when it is ready. :D

[scotia]

Hahahaha, I liked that Grandsecretary...

Of what high of a degree would one become 'sane', or is it just a case of going full circle?

It is a crazy world, will there ever be order from all this chaos?

[stewart edwards]

will there ever be order from all this chaos?There are two interesting aspects to this comment scotia:-

1. The Chaos re war etc - that seems to me to be about egos, power, resources. The way forward here, as history has proven time and time again in almost all nations, is to come together for the common good. Though that can be a mountain in itself.

2. The chaos of our daily lives. Over the last few years as I have slowly passed through the veils in life and got closer to the core of Shreks famous onion, I have actually increasigly found a musical beauty underpinning our life. So while part of me wants change, wants standards to improve etc, part of me also sees that too much too quickly could cause the fragile applecart to tumble down, which would be bad news for all of us. The solution is to gently nudge here and there, take the grief from those who remain controlled by their egos, and wait until reflection and adaption (hopefully) takes place. (it does by the way - I have been gently nudging for some years now)

[lightgiver]

Please be patient. I worked all night and went out at 06.30 this morning for a series of meetings. I arrived home a couple of hours ago. Now leaving aside the cess that you have brought with you, I am not a theologian. So, I am taking advice from a Professor of Divinities at Milan University. I will get back to you with a considered answer - when it is ready. :D

Cess pit i brought with me,the truth is hard to come by these days and people have a right to know what is going on,i have never said masons are bad,it just would be nice to know what they are really about;)

You mean trying to find the truth.:)

You sound like a busy man,thanks for your reply.

I am coming to the conclusion it must be someone else who is up to no good,because obviously something is just not quite right with HUMANITY,sorry for being a pain in the arse.

and i did not create the CESS pit,tell that to thousands of Palestinians.:(:(

and get some rest.;)

[lightgiver]

Actually, I'm a long-time members of the Quatuor Coronati Correspondence Circle. The Quatuor Coronati Lodge is a Lodge of Research. That means that it doesn't confer degrees, but consists of members who are Masonic scholars, and write academic books and papers on the subject of Freemasonry.

The Quatuor Coronati Lodge has no "operation" going on at the Temple Mount, nor is it headed by the Duke of Kent. The Worshipful Master is actually an acquaintance of mine, Dr. S. Brent Morris, who is the first American to be Master of that Lodge.

http://www.quatuorcoronati.com/

Thanks for that.

[grandsecretary]

Hahahaha, I liked that Grandsecretary...

Of what high of a degree would one become 'sane', or is it just a case of going full circle?

It is a crazy world, will there ever be order from all this chaos?

From my experience it is exponential.

Ordo ab Chao? Somehow I have my doubts, but we must try.

[lightgiver]

From my experience it is exponential.

Ordo ab Chao? Somehow I have my doubts, but we must try.

Doubts of what?;) Maths is not my strongest subject.

and why are you not in bed yet:)

http://www.12-apostles.com/resources/thomas.htm

[grandsecretary]

Doubts of what?;) Maths is not my strongest subject.

and why are you not in bed yet:)

http://www.12-apostles.com/resources/thomas.htm

Too tired to get there. Soon. :p

[scotia]

Interesting...

I agree Stewart, and I like the way you laid out your own view.. It's hard to come by these days...

I think many people have been having a wee nudge and sometimes a kick or more to learn what they have done or can do.. I also have noticed the advancement of technology and the increase of wars and famine etc.. Could time be speeding up? Time is relative, so we would not notice it on Earth and the chaos could be getting too much for some... I have noticed many people acting what I would class as "crazy/insane" lately, some small worlds are falling apart... This is when another 'Stone/Rock' is needed for support...

Grandsecretary, I think order will come from chaos, and many jewels/diamonds will shine and lead people from darkness... The more people who are relaxed and humble will make it easier for the rest, the future looks good imo.. I have noticed a change online with more truth being revealed, more people appear to be starting to listen, though there are still those trying to create chaos who have no real knowledge in them...

The world has been in chaos for a long long time, to many people who are starting to wake up thinks this is all 'new'.. A new long deserved age of peace is on the horizon if more people start working together.. I have hope...

[stewart edwards]

Scotia

Indeed. It is an absolutely facinating time to watch the human race as it wavers on the brink of leaving puberty. Will it...wont it..find the inner courage to take that step....

Let me start by saying that I think that most "Powers that be" do a good job. There is clearly a lot of hard graft being done to give us the life we have.

However, equally it all to often seems to be a time of constant "fire-fighting" problems that are largely caused by the rule of ego at the mid rank level. Add to this the spiritual awakening in the new generations, and the incresing longlivity at the older end (remember the phrase change only happens when one generation dies and a new one takes the reigns of power?) and you have our current situation.

I have been lucky, or unlucky depending on how you look at it, for I have worked through this before most and I had to do it on my own. Now I can reflect and see in a new light, and while I can understand why some get upset by my positive criticism, I to have hopes that we, as a people, could step forth on a new journey together. Though I am not holding my breath. It may be that Mother Nature does need to reset our world once again to give us another chance to complete this level. Which would be sad as we are so close you can almost touch the dawn.

[lightgiver]

So exactly in a nut hell what are the freemasons about,apart from all the bad things we hear and what exactly is your purpose:confused:

and gs could you get back to me on the ?? i asked earlier?

[grandsecretary]

So exactly in a nut hell what are the freemasons about,apart from all the bad things we hear and what exactly is your purpose:confused:

and gs could you get back to me on the ?? i asked earlier?



Geometry.

Yes, I will, be patient. I am away in London for two days on Masonic business. I promise you that I have not forgotten and I will get back to you.

I am going by train, not on a white horse.

Peter

[mike martin]

Its the final countdown....nah nah nah, na na ne ne ne Mah Mah Mah, mo mo me me me...
Funny :D:D:D

Mike

[mike martin]

Actually, I'm a long-time members of the Quatuor Coronati Correspondence Circle. The Quatuor Coronati Lodge is a Lodge of Research. That means that it doesn't confer degrees, but consists of members who are Masonic scholars, and write academic books and papers on the subject of Freemasonry.

The Quatuor Coronati Lodge has no "operation" going on at the Temple Mount, nor is it headed by the Duke of Kent. The Worshipful Master is actually an acquaintance of mine, Dr. S. Brent Morris, who is the first American to be Master of that Lodge.

I never got round to this.

Like Thelonious, I too am a long-standing member of the Quatuor Coronati CC and I was at a meeting of the Lodge a couple of months ago. No talk of Temple Mount or even Israel.

The DoK wasn't there either.

Mike

[lightgiver]

Geometry.

Yes, I will, be patient. I am away in London for two days on Masonic business. I promise you that I have not forgotten and I will get back to you.

I am going by train, not on a white horse.

Peter

Cheers,take it easy,

we all probably come from aliens anyway.imo.

never knew the British have Egyptian and Hebrew blood,if that is true.??

also is their told anywhere of a member of the tribe of reuben any where,if all this means anything to you ,interesting article.

http://the-red-thread.net/Reuben-by-Betmatrho.html

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9411/rbensj0.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rbensj0.jpg)

[scotia]

Lightgiver

You are on the right path I'd guess.. Though the centre of the world is not where you think.

The Bible and its the facts/history/science etc and LTD could be geared to one agenda I think. Sometimes its worth looking at fantasy and myths and legends.. Even these 'evil' Masonic made films from the 'evil' Masonic companies :p

I sometimes think and try and find out what excactly the Freemasons know and do, there are so many groups.. And how old is their knowledge, and where and who did they get it from?

How old is old and what came first, the chicken or the egg??

Blood and DNA and genetics, I heard we have the same genetic make up as many animals on earth, though these were just 'built' different to 'make' each species... Some people can 'talk' to the animals, other people can do other 'amazing' things, are these people crazy or just gifted? Everyone is special now, we all just have to talk and learn IMO to free ourself and the world, heaven on earth ?

Think, but dont dwell on one subject or stay in one tunnel for too long, as it will stay dark for to long, and it's not good for the 'head' ;)

[stewart edwards]

. And how old is their knowledge, and where and who did they get it from?Well passed down through the generations would be the obvious answer. But real knowledge comes from within. You may find that knowledge of the ancient mystery schools are held within Freemasony, though you may be told that such symbolism and insights are merely borrowed and tacked on so to speak, depending on which fraternity you talk to. And they may well be telling the truth. Remember Freemasonry to many is just as social club.

Some people can 'talk' to the animalsIndeed ask any pensioner who is very close to their dog or cat, and they may astound you with how the animal can read their mind. There was a packed scientific conference on this in London that I attended some years back now. There is a lot of evidence, even from some scientists, about the ability of animals to read the minds of humans, and some of the experiments certainly made me pause for thought. It gets a bit more shaky when you start to consider humans reading the minds of and communicating with animals though. Though it is not unheard of. It seems to be a difficult skill to acquire and one that you just stumble across now and then to the ridicule of others who simply see animals as animals as opposed to sentient beings. Are you trying to tell me that you are Dr Dolittle?

[scotia]

Are you trying to tell me that you are Dr Dolittle?

:D

I'd take a guess and say you have many 'gifts and 'talents' Stewart, some natural and some learned... Everyone has, but I am no Doctor, but if I was I would be Dr Who, as I have no clue.. That is of what I would call myself as there has been so many 'lebels' given to other 'people' and 'groups' by 'others' for a very long time, I am just simple auld me, but what was in the beggining?

I am still thinking of replys your other words too, you are a wise guy... But for now could I ask you If you were an animal what would you be, or better maybe, what animal do you relate to most?. I like most, it's in their eyes I see good...

Humans have fell out with many animals, the animals are scared too... When we gain their respect I think they will 'talk' to us more ;)

Life is great from a positive angle, "to infinity and beyond" ('evil mason film'?) :D I have to 'fly' now and surf a mountain...

Paul

[stewart edwards]

could I ask you If you were an animal what would you be, or better maybe, what animal do you relate to most?.

I relate to cats best. They sort of find their way to me. I have learnt a great deal from them, from my own and from those I meet when I am out, right down to the ones that are crying to be let in to their homes when I stop to give them a bit of fussing.

Always struggled with dogs, though in the past week that does seem to have noticeably changed. Hopefully the change will continue.

And then there is my greatest animal phobia - snakes. There was a time when quite literally I was frozen with terror by them. Then a few years back I had what my dentist calls my "Harry Potter Experience" that I have fully recalled on forums, where I did seem to communicate with a bored, fed up, lonely, frustrated snake in a zoo. Sadly I have not been able to do it again, so it may just have been a heap of coincidences at the time. Though sometimes I look into the eyes of snakes and see a lot of sadness. I certainly now understand in a very clear way why Pharaoh had a cobra on his head, symbolic of a bond between worlds.

[boots]

Lightgiver


The Bible and its the facts/history/science etc and LTD could be geared to one agenda I think. Sometimes its worth looking at fantasy and myths and legends.. Even these 'evil' Masonic made films from the 'evil' Masonic companies :p



I sometimes think and try and find out what excactly the Freemasons know and do, there are so many groups.. And how old is their knowledge, and where and who did they get it from?

How old is old and what came first, the chicken or the egg??



http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=sDJqaacgKzc&feature=related


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=5sBjuCY2E9A&feature=related



Blood and DNA and genetics, I heard we have the same genetic make up as many animals on earth, though these were just 'built' different to 'make' each species... Some people can 'talk' to the animals, other people can do other 'amazing' things, are these people crazy or just gifted? Everyone is special now, we all just have to talk and learn IMO to free ourself and the world, heaven on earth ?

Think, but dont dwell on one subject or stay in one tunnel for too long, as it will stay dark for to long, and it's not good for the 'head';)


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=hKT2Q6dDVfs&feature=related

[scotia]

Boots

What are YOU trying to say?

I am not interested in any other persons truth, unless I am talking to them. I am here to learn and to help, and make new friends... I care not what colour you are, or what you think or hate, but stay of the 'films' or youl end up a 'state' :p

Do you realy think the Egyptions were here first yourself? Like deep down in you, sometimes thinking from the head is not the best when there is too much in there... When you smell something rotten and pull away or something just does not 'feel' right then you may not do it, go near that.. This is U helping you, and not your head, if something feels right then try it, you may see some light...

'Gut instinct' is a term I would maybe call it sometimes...

Some people can look at people and tell right away if they are good or not, at that moment in time... People can change, and good 'door staff' or bouncers have a gift tae spot an idiot. It's hard to explain what they might see as everyone is different and sees different things/signs.. Sometimes people get past the 'door' who are bad though and can cause some trouble, they are good at hiding who they are... Shape-shifters in a way? But then again some people can "see right through people" and spot the shit from miles away....

I would chill out a bit, maybe watch some 'kids' fantasy films or cartoons or go out a walk some place chilled... Look back in your life at everything, dont dwell.. Sadly, some people have to hit rock bottom to progress in life, this is when things get hard for many... I have seen so many good people take their life through a thing called 'fear'. Some have lost their cash and some their lass. With others different things have tipped them over the edge... But each one was down to 'fear' when I looked at the bigger picture...

Be scared of nothing, but dont go around attacking those you 'think' are 'guilty'... There has been enough violence in this world, and you are best leaving it ta' those that can reak havok if needed, and something more important, they know when to stop...

How old is old? Have the sea levels been rising for long, or is that a myth they are rising? And what interests you most, like hobbies etc and someting that could turned into a dream job, if dreams were possible...

When someone tells me something is impossible, I tell them they are insane...

There are some good guys fighting to save everyone, including you.. But do not wait on a saviour, as if too many people have this 'fear' in them then the world will re-boot, again? If evil realy ruled the world and every group and business and blah blah, we would not be here still fighting and doing a very good job imo, but we need more help ;)

If you dont understand what I am saying, try looking at it from another angle...

[lightgiver]

Lightgiver

You are on the right path I'd guess.. Though the centre of the world is not where you think.

The Bible and its the facts/history/science etc and LTD could be geared to one agenda I think. Sometimes its worth looking at fantasy and myths and legends.. Even these 'evil' Masonic made films from the 'evil' Masonic companies :p

I sometimes think and try and find out what excactly the Freemasons know and do, there are so many groups.. And how old is their knowledge, and where and who did they get it from?

How old is old and what came first, the chicken or the egg??

Blood and DNA and genetics, I heard we have the same genetic make up as many animals on earth, though these were just 'built' different to 'make' each species... Some people can 'talk' to the animals, other people can do other 'amazing' things, are these people crazy or just gifted? Everyone is special now, we all just have to talk and learn IMO to free ourself and the world, heaven on earth ?

Think, but dont dwell on one subject or stay in one tunnel for too long, as it will stay dark for to long, and it's not good for the 'head' ;)

Scotia,

i thought we were the centre of the universe,each person,is that not right:confused:

i agree with what you say.:)

Am i right about the tribal connections,if so then i can carry on researching.?I think the bible was wrote so that the events would unfold,and i am aware we may come from annunaki and i am aware of the Babylonian brotherhood,Aryans and the rest of it but no one is giving any thing away,lets have it all out i reckon.

Do not worry about my head i can handle it,heart of a lion me.;):D and i am coming to the conclusion not all the masons are bad and like any good organisation,it gets infiltrated by bad elements,

I know about the Double tetrahedron and tantra practise expanding the Bam and dissolving the elements into the clear light of bliss,but some try the take off before they have even learned to fly if you get my drift;) i prefer to get a grip on the controls:D

If you cannot get it right here,how can you get it right in paradise;) and yes i feel everyone is special they just have to work on themselves ,like we all have to.

Enlightenment is earned,self sacrifice,the sacrifice of selfishness.

BTW whats the right path??

[scotia]

Hi Lightgiver

Hmmmmm, We could be the centre of the universe... If you mean each of us is our own universe, then this could also be possible. But I am male and I would end up feeling alone without company, and possibly get depressed. It would be good to have friends, but I do not want clones for friends, everyone the same and likes the same music and this and that. It would get boring after a while with no change, and why go backwords when we would change for the better, me and my friends... Where would I find all these individual souls/energies/sprits etc in my own world?

But then that leaves questions on 'soul mates' and such, if such a thing is possible... Creation and love are joined together, and life should be fun. I now have found my 'soul' mate in my universe and later have kids... But where did I find her, that soul mate? Yes, it is my universe, but I would not like to make someone the way I would find perfect... It would take me trillions of years, changing this and changing that.. Can one person ever make their own version of perfection???

If you think the world now is your creation then I am not here, and there is no point in asking me questions and in reality you are just asking yourself... So in your universe right now, you created this website and the rest and the rest... "Why do you fight yourself so much" I would ask you and many more burning questions... We are all special, but we cant do it alone ;)

Evolution is one way forward, a bit like talking online and expressing yourself and not other people, is a way for things to fit into place, one way of many, but its good to talk...

I would carry on researching If i was you, yer doing alright... If some people kick you, think before you leap on them, if ya think they have kicked you for no reason other than to be cruel and nasty then show your teeth ;)

Are the Annunaki the Giants? I've heard of Giants called by this in places, if so I think there could have been a long time in between the Giants and the Babylonian crew...

Heaven and Earth - Many people cant see the wood for the trees... Life is simple and very few people listen to simple logical positive solutions anymore. everyone wants the hi-tech/low-tech, with brain damaging crap talked about it,"it can do this and all that shit"... In this world, cash wins over logic, cash wins over love, cash wins over ?

Carry on in the tribes, carry on in everything that feels right, gives you that 'tingle'... But DONT be scared, you are researching and doing nothing dangerous or killing anyone. Go with the flow, your own flow ;)

WOW :eek: Do you realy want Enlightenment Lightgiver, that would make you Illuminati do be full of light, you would become like Yoda or another Great Wizard, or Witch :p

Tribes,Clans- What about China and the Maya and?

Life is a clue, I dont want to go over things I've said and point things out, or other things people have said.. I dont even like bringing links to a thread...

You are you and free to choose, I am me and have the same...

Do you like music, it can tell you many things when ya listen right, occult knowledge? Art and music and myths and legends are ways of keeping information safe, and the kids love fairy tails and makes them feel warm and safe while their parents have to deal with all the shit...............

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IS_q_DXIhVk
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_uyl3xGL0Rg

What do you do for relaxing, chilling out from this 'hell' ???

Life was brilliant, and can be wonderful and lead to perfection, so much to explore... If humanity realy want it!!!

[lightgiver]

Thanks for that,sounds good and about right.;)

I am not in hell though but seeing it,and that is not good.I am sure things will get better,we all just have to make effort.positive vibrations.

I just feel sorry for them who are worse off than us,the Palestinians have had a rough time at it is pretty dismal what as just happened.highly civilised beings,yea only a few.

good music by the way.

I would like to attain enlightenment,i like the earth but it is being messed up,and i could spend an awfully long time here smoking weed chilling and the rest this bountiful and beautiful place offers,but its just not being run right ,if you get my drift,as JK says;) emergency on planet EARTH.

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=wo2iZUsvIeg

The thing what brought me here really,like you i do not like saying a lot, shitty remarks and the like,but such is life,i was doing Buddhist meditation practise,and i was wondering about the double tetrahedron and the Israeli flag and one thing as lead to another and instead of going forwards with the answer i feel i am now more confused then ever?:confused:

Love bob marley:cool: good words.Live like a rasta i say in the hot Jamaican sun,now that would be a life;) all that weed though ,that would be to much;)

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=jkL3uCiWcn8

[scotia]

Great, Your welcome... I see as you see I see in many issues. As the 'clock' is ticking so tae say, what would a plan of attack be in your oppinion?

There is too much negativity being talked of and people looking to blame others... The public have their bit to do, but I would Imagine the people fighting the people and 'tools' yous all fear must be highly trained, and have a few 'tools' of their own, I hope ;)

I have felt sorry for many people, and cried for for more... The war is nearly over and home is not to far.. We all still have a few issues to sort... And thats a solution, and the street to greet, one another..

Life is simple and too much bullshit has been put in heads bye the 'machine' to keep keeple confused... What do you realy think of Tony Blair??

I am sure he would have puffed at one time, Noel Gallagher would never have shook his hands if he smelled something dirty... Then Mr Blair changed, some say he showed is true colours, others say he sacraficed himself in way, the blair witch project? Was it him that was in power when GW pharma got/bought their license to test the 'holy' plant?

Though too much green will make you go 'insane' according to some... Maybe with care it helps to see sanity... We must always research everything and never jump in... Howard Marks has teamed up with another 'Wizard', I hope they get their time... Would their 'Temple' be a Greenhouse numbered 13?..

Polution is real bad on this planet, it can be changed... I think there was a nuclear accident where some 'magic' plants were/are used to clean the ground... Should we all realy just start working with the 'Masonic owned' climate groups and bring balance to them.. Then save the world with going 'Green', swift and quick :)

Can we have constant positive in everything? ++++++++++++-

If a 'boy' meets a 'girl' and they share a bed and everynight its ever so hot, then thats always good, or not?

What do I mean by hot? Heater and cooler, but which is what or when is what and who does what?

Peace within you ;)

[lightgiver]

Maybe its just all in out heads i know mine is I just go with the flow and watch the madness from the outside:D and stay out of the way,nature and peace does it for me.

[lightgiver]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=sDJqaacgKzc&feature=related


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=5sBjuCY2E9A&feature=related






http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=hKT2Q6dDVfs&feature=related

Thanks for that boots;):D

I have been on the journey all my life just like everyone else.IMHO everything is in the mind and no about of symbolism will protect any one masons included maybe that's why they chant om mani padme hum,you need mantra which means mind protection,sacred words.

TBH i have a feeling there are good masons at the bottom and bad masons at the top.IMHO

It all lacks inherent existence.

Always remember actions have effects,the Egyptians were great believers in re incarnation.its all just ancient knowledge they are hiding,that's all,and our history we have been taught in schools is not the official version of events.;):D

Brainwash education comes to mind.

[lightgiver]

Fair dues. But I will take you up on your offer of saying who it isnt. So who isnt it then?


No it comes from someones else heart or head.

Good we got there.

OK, that was 2000 years ago, do you think he is physically walking the Earth today?

I have read a couple of his books with much interest.

Lightgiver

I am going to be blunt here. You do say a lot of good and wise things. In many ways I agree with you. But........you really do need to start writing more from your heart and less cutting and pasting. Just because someone wrote something does not necessarily make it true. It may well be true, but it is not a foregone conclusion.

Sir Laurence Gardner,

A sovereign and chivalric genealogist,of the imperial royal court of the dragon sovereignty,the former court of the dragon in Egypt.

I have done some research on sir Laurence and his works,very interesting,also the royal house of Stewart pops up<a relation of yours?

BTW scotia scota enjoyed the cosmic gypsies;):)

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=_uyl3xGL0Rg&eurl=http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=760078

we are from space ie emptiness.

and some bad uns from another dimension are latched on to the chakras of some and doing bad things because the things going on today and in the past is inhumane,anyone can see that ,its just they ignore it.

OM the demons off your Chakras.

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=EzqZ3qW7YAk

focus on the spine from the tip up to the point in between the eyes Ajna chakra,while chanting AUM visualise energy flowing up and down the spine,from the bootom of the spine to the eye brows and vice versa,do this everyday for 5 mins to an hour and see the change along with ayurveda lifestyle and you will be floating before you know it,blissed out should i say,patience and perseverance is the key.Apply effort and throw the booze and tobacco in the bin they block up the chakras and so does shit food and water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurveda

Just look how we treat animals, the earth,and each other,things ARE going to change.Babylon is going to fall only with a big bump.

[stewart edwards]

I have done some research on sir Laurence and his works,very interesting,also the royal house of Stewart pops up<a relation of yours?Not to my knowledge.

Anyhow did you mean Sir Laurence Gardner or the Royal House of Stewart? Either way the answer is the same not to my knowledge.

Though I would not be in the least bit suprised if someone were to one day tell me that I was infact descended from the Royal House of Stewart. I am not saying that I am, or even that I think that I am, just that it wouldnt suprise me. It would certainly explain a lot of little things.:eek:

(Mike do you think that a descendant of the Royal House of Stewart would be eligible for the GM position of UGLE:))

[lightgiver]

Not to my knowledge.

Anyhow did you mean Sir Laurence Gardner or the Royal House of Stewart? Either way the answer is the same not to my knowledge.

Though I would not be in the least bit suprised if someone were to one day tell me that I was infact descended from the Royal House of Stewart. I am not saying that I am, or even that I think that I am, just that it wouldnt suprise me. It would certainly explain a lot of little things.:eek:

(Mike do you think that a descendant of the Royal House of Stewart would be eligible for the GM position of UGLE:))

1st page on google,;)

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/laurencegardnershapeshifter.shtml

Its that you asked if i had read his book,i just like to know who's book i am reading.

Laurence Gardner has quite a CV: Chancellor of the Royal Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, which first emerged in Egypt in around 2,200BC and is now based in Britain; Prior of the Celtic Church's Sacred Kindred of St Columba, and an "internationally known sovereign and chivalric genealogist" Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain, "Presidential Attache to the European Council of Princes - a constitutional advisory body established in 1946" formally attached to the Noble Household Guard of the Royal House of Stewart, founded at St German-enLaye in 1692, and is the Jacobite Historiographer Royal

[stewart edwards]

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/laurencegardnershapeshifter.shtmlInteresting article by Daviod Icke. He fails to address one point however, and it is a very significant point. People can and do have doubles. I know for example:-

1. Three people from my life, a late childhood/university friend, a chap who I lost touch with a few years ago, and someone that I once worked for, are pretty much identical, even down to hairstyle. OK if you were to put them in a police line up you would see differences, but fewer than you may imagine. It never ceases to amaze me everytime I think of them.

2. My aunt and uncle. They were at a hospital appointment once and their consultant was, according to them, the spitting image of me.

3. My mum and granny once thought that I passed my grans house when I was 300 miles away. Though as I had recently left home to be fair it could just be wishful thinking on their part. After all it was the only time in my home town that this was ever commented upon.

Now I am sure that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the above. But it does tend to indicate that people can and do have doubles. I seem to have at least one and possibly two. And there are the three amigos mentioned above.

Now I just question whether it is possible that someone could mistake an identity. After all if close relatives can do it (On sight if not on talking etc).

[lightgiver]

Interesting article by Daviod Icke. He fails to address one point however, and it is a very significant point. People can and do have doubles. I know for example:-

1. Three people from my life, a late childhood/university friend, a chap who I lost touch with a few years ago, and someone that I once worked for, are pretty much identical, even down to hairstyle. OK if you were to put them in a police line up you would see differences, but fewer than you may imagine. It never ceases to amaze me everytime I think of them.

2. My aunt and uncle. They were at a hospital appointment once and their consultant was, according to them, the spitting image of me.

3. My mum and granny once thought that I passed my grans house when I was 300 miles away. Though as I had recently left home to be fair it could just be wishful thinking on their part. After all it was the only time in my home town that this was ever commented upon.

Now I am sure that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the above. But it does tend to indicate that people can and do have doubles. I seem to have at least one and possibly two. And there are the three amigos mentioned above.

Now I just question whether it is possible that someone could mistake an identity. After all if close relatives can do it (On sight if not on talking etc).

and:confused: well we must all come from similar gene pools,because the official version of history is TRIPE a lot like the official 911 story;)

Thousands murdered and no one brought to trial in the public EYE.Yes i am sure there is a lot of mistaken identity going around.

Indeed what is the Truth these days.,and i still do not know who you are.:)

[grandsecretary]

Interesting article by Daviod Icke. He fails to address one point however, and it is a very significant point. People can and do have doubles. I know for example:-

1. Three people from my life, a late childhood/university friend, a chap who I lost touch with a few years ago, and someone that I once worked for, are pretty much identical, even down to hairstyle. OK if you were to put them in a police line up you would see differences, but fewer than you may imagine. It never ceases to amaze me everytime I think of them.

2. My aunt and uncle. They were at a hospital appointment once and their consultant was, according to them, the spitting image of me.

3. My mum and granny once thought that I passed my grans house when I was 300 miles away. Though as I had recently left home to be fair it could just be wishful thinking on their part. After all it was the only time in my home town that this was ever commented upon.

Now I am sure that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the above. But it does tend to indicate that people can and do have doubles. I seem to have at least one and possibly two. And there are the three amigos mentioned above.

Now I just question whether it is possible that someone could mistake an identity. After all if close relatives can do it (On sight if not on talking etc).

Stewart,

Did your father own a bicycle?

[stewart edwards]

Stewart,

Did your father own a bicycle?Very funny. Who knows;)

[stewart edwards]

i still do not know who you are.:)Stewart Edwards.:) You actually know quite a lot about me from my posts.

I know a lot about you, even if I dont know your name. I know that you have a level of understanding about the light, that you may have touched it fleetingly. I know that you have a lot of ancient knowledge in you, or at least you are able to accurately recognise it when/if you cut and paste. Hence I suspect that you are a reincarnated old soul here to help at this difficult time. Apologies if this offends your personal belief system, I mean no offense.

Often people who use screennames like yours type words that would suggest that they have little real comprehension of this thing called "light". You rise above this. Now that I find interesting.

[lightgiver]

Stewart Edwards.:) You actually know quite a lot about me from my posts.

Oh stewart edwards member of UGLE,that's the trouble with this type of chat you never know who is behind the words;)but i will take your word for it.:)


http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5571/11300ug6.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11300ug6.jpg)

I am sure a lot of souls reincarnate to help others because everyone helps each other directly and in directly without even knowing it,after all who brings us food, water,shelter and the rest of it as us in the west have abundance of,well putting mother nature to one side and the creator? it is others who give to us, even our bodies were given because of others,we seem to forget this sometimes and the preciousness of human life,we will awake one day i am sure of it.

a favourite book of mine,and others,

http://www.vedicbooks.net/the-meditation-handbook-p-294.html its already written down.

[stewart edwards]

Oh stewart edwards member of UGLE,that's the trouble with this type of chat you never know who is behind the words;)but i will take your word for it.:)I dont even know your name. And far from being a member of UGLE, I was rejected by an UGLE Lodge I guess five ish years ago now, so I am not a member. Mike and Keystone can confirm to you that I am not nor ever have been a member. OK I tease them a little with friendly banter about being their next Grand Master, but that is only because I could actually do the job pretty well, though I would need a good pro GM to make my efforts acceptable to the troops.

Most UGLE masons who know me will tell you that I simply wouldnt fit in to the UGLE way. Doesnt stop me wishing them well and hoping that they can firmly turn the corner and grasp the challenges that lie ahead.

Why did you think that I was an UGLE member, for I have never claimed to be? (though some of their brothers have called me brother, and one even once gave me the five points of fellowship after a meeting - unbelievable as that may sound to an UGLE mason).

[lightgiver]

I dont even know your name. And far from being a member of UGLE, I was rejected by an UGLE Lodge I guess five ish years ago now, so I am not a member. Mike and Keystone can confirm to you that I am not nor ever have been a member. OK I tease them a little with friendly banter about being their next Grand Master, but that is only because I could actually do the job pretty well, though I would need a good pro GM to make my efforts acceptable to the troops.

Most UGLE masons who know me will tell you that I simply wouldnt fit in to the UGLE way. Doesnt stop me wishing them well and hoping that they can firmly turn the corner and grasp the challenges that lie ahead.

Why did you think that I was an UGLE member, for I have never claimed to be? (though some of their brothers have called me brother, and one even once gave me the five points of fellowship after a meeting - unbelievable as that may sound to an UGLE mason).

I thought you mentioned it in a previous post,humble apologies:o:)

Yes good luck to them all,live long and prosper everyone;) i feel a little more relaxed now,i will give you my middle name, robert :eek::D

post 14 on this section,you must have been winding someone up.


But to be fair, let me answer your question. I spent many years seeking and did find, some years ago now. And yes it really is true. I could only tell you what I hope to do in the future. Become Grand Master of UGLE (to please Mike and Keystone), General Secrestary of the United Nations (a tadge ambitious given that the UN rules would need to be rewritten to allow a Brit to have the job). Pope, me, I am not even Catholic (though I am currently reading a Catholic study bible - do you think that would impress the Cardinals/Bishops?). SE

[stewart edwards]

post 14 on this section,you must have been winding someone up.


But to be fair, let me answer your question. I spent many years seeking and did find, some years ago now. And yes it really is true. I could only tell you what I hope to do in the future. Become Grand Master of UGLE (to please Mike and Keystone), General Secrestary of the United Nations (a tadge ambitious given that the UN rules would need to be rewritten to allow a Brit to have the job). Pope, me, I am not even Catholic (though I am currently reading a Catholic study bible - do you think that would impress the Cardinals/Bishops?). SERobert

It is possible.

[lightgiver]

Robert

It is possible.

What is possible?:D

[stewart edwards]

What is possible?:D] post 14 on this section,you must have been winding someone up. (Lightgiver)

[lightgiver]

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HHMMM:confused:;):D

[lightgiver]

Mork calling ork,mork calling ork,any more news;)

The first of the Sinclairs to be born in Scotland, Henri St. Clair, accompanied Godfroi de Bouillon to the Holy Land in 1096 and was present at the fall of Jerusalem. He was accompanied by knights from eleven other leading Scottish aristocratic families. Representatives of all twelve familes met regularly at Roslin prior to the Crusades, and for many centuries afterwards. The group included ancestors of the Stuarts, with whom the Sinclairs made marital alliances...and were involved with the Templars throughout their history [and] with early Freemasonry in Scotland, with support of the Stuart cause. The Rex Deus legend suggested that the Stuarts were actually descended from among the ancient hierarchy in Biblical Israel.

[stewart edwards]

You may find that even though Stuart is the most common spelling, that was I think adopted after a move to France. I dont speak French but I think it has something to do with French spelling/pronouncation. Though I could also be talking gibberish as I have a painful ear infection:mad:

Stewart is the way to spell it;) Its meaning is interesting as well.......:eek:

[14april2000]

Bloodline movie

The 2008 documentary film Bloodline by Bruce Burgess, a filmmaker with an interest in paranormal claims, expands on the "Jesus bloodline" hypothesis and other elements of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail. Accepting as valid the testimony of an amateur archaeologist codenamed "Ben Hammott" relating to his discoveries made in the vicinity of Rennes-le-Château since 1999; Burgess claims to have found the treasure of Bérenger Saunière: several mummified corpses (one of which is allegedly Mary Magdalene) in three underground tombs created by the Knights Templar under the orders of the Priory of Sion.

Something is afoot??


More of the same Da Vinci Code crap or very close to it. It is illuminati disinfomation, they are master in deception.

[stewart edwards]

More of the same Da Vinci Code crap or very close to it. It is illuminati disinfomation, they are master in deception.I dont get why they would have to deceive when you can hide things quite effectively in plain sight.


Also someone who has found the light through hard work and illuminates the hearts of others would risk loosing his illumination if they were to follow the dark path of deceipt.

Similar conceptually to an initiated Freemason who is not a true Freemason per the tenets as evidenced by his general behaviour. (I know.. I know.. things just dont work that way stewart all Freemasons are true Freemasons - dont worry about the wording of the tenets):rolleyes:

[lightgiver]

I dont get why they would have to deceive when you can hide things quite effectively in plain sight.


Also someone who has found the light through hard work and illuminates the hearts of others would risk loosing his illumination if they were to follow the dark path of deceipt.

Similar conceptually to an initiated Freemason who is not a true Freemason per the tenets as evidenced by his general behaviour. (I know.. I know.. things just dont work that way stewart all Freemasons are true Freemasons - dont worry about the wording of the tenets):rolleyes:

Have you watched bloodline the movie?

if so who is the body?

and i hope you ear gets better,please do not take your anger out on me,i have had that all my life off idiotic people.
and i am not ban f mason,and you know it,do not send any more PMs to me thank you.:)
I would rather do things in the open.

[stewart edwards]

Have you watched bloodline the movie?

if so who is the body?Dont think so.

and i hope you ear gets better,please do not take your anger out on me,i have had that all my life off idiotic people.
and i am not ban f mason,and you know it,do not send any more PMs to me thank you.:)
I would rather do things in the open.OK I think I need to apologise to you for perhaps not wording my pm carefully enough, for you clearly have not read it the way I intended it, which is my fault for not being clearer. Sorry. Perhaps when I reread it again in a few days I will see why it has angered you.

[14april2000]

stewart edwards read the link just blow and watch the 2 videos in the buttom. it is about as close as anyone has ever come to them.

Fritz Springmeier High level exposer of the inner core of the Conspiracy and it's invisible bars itself. Very high level de-programmer of mind control victims and once again a big exposer. Fitted up on phony robbery charges by the establishment and his devious wife.


THE SATANIC BLOODLINES By Fritz Springermeier
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/index.htm



Fritz Springmeier, who has been imprisoned for "planning to rob banks", is one of the number one illuminati researchers in the world. He is in the class of Alan Watt, who got much of his information from Fritz. The fact that he was framed and put in prison is proof that he is as genuine as they come.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2694841576971107107&ei=vG6DSZS0NJ2wqAPtrcSLDg&q=fritz+sp%C3%A5ringmaier&emb=1



Fritz Springmeier joins Jeff Contrares on There 4 I Am for an illuminating spotlight of the thirteen Illuminati Bloodlines and the use of occult practices by our rulers.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1058372349704594335&hl=da

[lightgiver]

Dont think so.

OK I think I need to apologise to you for perhaps not wording my pm carefully enough, for you clearly have not read it the way I intended it, which is my fault for not being clearer. Sorry. Perhaps when I reread it again in a few days I will see why it has angered you.

Dont think so?? about what please.:) nothing as angered me ,you said:confused: i was like b free masons.

Do you want me to print it here? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34994

[lightgiver]

More of the same Da Vinci Code crap or very close to it. It is illuminati disinfomation, they are master in deception.

I am coming to that conclusion myself ;)

[stewart edwards]

Dont think so?? about what please.:) nothing as angered me ,you said:confused: i was like b free masons.
Once again I apologise to you for saying "you are beginning to sound like ban Freemaosons in this regard". Sorry. Can we please just put this matter behind us now and move on.

As you have stated that you are confused by this it was because bf asks people on forum to reveal themeselves, and given that you know who I am I was confused myself at what additional information you were looking for from me, which is why I asked you to treat me like an idiot and spell it out. Anyhow I do hope that you will accept my apology.

[stewart edwards]

stewart edwards read the link just blow and watch the 2 videos in the buttom. it is about as close as anyone has ever come to them. Thanks, so far I have only had time to read part of the link. But I thought that you may find the following interesting:-

There is a Stuart who actually has a stronger claim to the throne of England than Queen Elizabeth. He is 11th in line as a claimant, while she is only 13th. His claim is a carefully preserved secret by the media. Queen Elizabeth is of the Hannover Dynasty which is part of the 13th Illuminati bloodline. This Stuart claimant was recently asked if he would like to have the throne of the newly formed nation of Estonia, but he rejected it. The Stuart bloodline and their henchmen have been an important part of the leadership of Freemasonry down through the centuries. Well I have a suspicion that I may have Stewart blood in me, though I have no reason to suspect it. Difficult to explain but it could be one explation for some little nonsensical things. Note for anyone from the Stewarts, I am not in any way claiming that I am. If I were I would hope that you would tell me. Though I can see me leading Freemasonry forwards over the coming decades. (Is that scowling I hear in the background). Seriously though I have been gently guiding it for years now in my own little ways. How much of my guidance has been taken on board is a different matter, though some has, though I accept that could be simple coincidence.


My family history is a mystery to me. Extracting any sort of meaningful info is pretty darned impossible. And believe me I have tried. Though I did once find out that my granny or great granny was of Campbell stock. (if you google massacre of glencoe you will see an anti MacDonald connection here and were I am told bitter enemies and that history is not fully accurate in its recording - all I have been told is that rightly or wrongly the MacDonalds had previously done far worse to the Campbells). But I also have, through marrage, another clan in the family.

As an aside if anyone anywhere does know anything about my family tree now would be a good time to tell me about it. And please no one be as obvious as ask me to ask my family. I am sure that I would get more info out of a stone, even about my father who I remember leaving us when I was young (and yes I have tried the salvation armys services in this regard but to no avail). My family are common people, workers, Freemasons, as far as I am aware I was the first to even go to university far less enter the professions.

[For clarity I am not expecting anyone from the forum to help here, but if anyone who does know is following my internet work, now would be a good time to talk to me]

[lightgiver]

Once again I apologise to you for saying "you are beginning to sound like ban Freemaosons in this regard". Sorry. Can we please just put this matter behind us now and move on.

As you have stated that you are confused by this it was because bf asks people on forum to reveal themeselves, and given that you know who I am I was confused myself at what additional information you were looking for from me, which is why I asked you to treat me like an idiot and spell it out. Anyhow I do hope that you will accept my apology.

Of course.:) and i do not think you are an idiot,i thought you knew something about the bloodline documentary.:)

[lizzy]

stewart edwards read the link just blow and watch the 2 videos in the buttom. it is about as close as anyone has ever come to them.




THE SATANIC BLOODLINES By Fritz Springermeier
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/index.htm



Fritz Springmeier, who has been imprisoned for "planning to rob banks", is one of the number one illuminati researchers in the world. He is in the class of Alan Watt, who got much of his information from Fritz. The fact that he was framed and put in prison is proof that he is as genuine as they come.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2694841576971107107&ei=vG6DSZS0NJ2wqAPtrcSLDg&q=fritz+sp%C3%A5ringmaier&emb=1



Fritz Springmeier joins Jeff Contrares on There 4 I Am for an illuminating spotlight of the thirteen Illuminati Bloodlines and the use of occult practices by our rulers.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1058372349704594335&hl=da

If you have undertood ALL this....I think you are perhaps already ILLUMINATED..

You have broken through the secret of the ages......That the 'Secret Doctrine" is mind control, through the manipulation of all knowledge, power, money and self interest.

If the people knew what we did , the elite would be powerless.

Yes, itis indeed very interesting tracing lineage and researching pre-histroy.
I like Alan Watt , Cutting Through, Vol, 1.2.&3.

Freemasonary , the Church, 'education' are the products of this age old business plan, the Church is being 'taken down' ,the new /old age, no god of FMry is slated as the next univeral religion...and they want us all to be become as satanic and heartless as themselves.

The lower masons who just enjoy their club and are truely good people are still just minions as Pike says. .......Being enlightend is not necessarily the total lack of fear......one just has a little more porcessing to do. (as I do)....
being "born again" within FMry (assuming the likes of Bush jr DO understand the plan, just shows to me that being "born again" or "enlightened" does'nt make you good.

But they have laid many traps , their symbology is both brilliant and simple , as are their myths, ancient , modern and astrotheological. They are the anti-Christ,....... the christ consciouness , for me , is finding my own peace and love for my fellow man which they intentionally make harder everyday, as they divide and de-value us.

Perhaps if there is to be a king ,a strong contender might be a Rothchilde, the family who gave us the last system upgrade ...all of Pike's work ,from Neopolionic defeat, control of the Bank of England and have supposed bloodline ties ??

Thankyou all .

[lightgiver]

Here here lizzy :)

But they have laid many traps , their symbology is both brilliant and simple , as are their myths, ancient , modern and astrotheological. They are the anti-Christ,....... the christ consciouness , for me , is finding my own peace and love for my fellow man which they intentionally make harder everyday, as they divide and de-value us.

[marpat]

If you have undertood ALL this....I think you are perhaps already ILLUMINATED..

You have broken through the secret of the ages......That the 'Secret Doctrine" is mind control, through the manipulation of all knowledge, power, money and self interest.

If the people knew what we did , the elite would be powerless.

Yes, itis indeed very interesting tracing lineage and researching pre-histroy.
I like Alan Watt , Cutting Through, Vol, 1.2.&3.

Freemasonary , the Church, 'education' are the products of this age old business plan, the Church is being 'taken down' ,the new /old age, no god of FMry is slated as the next univeral religion...and they want us all to be become as satanic and heartless as themselves.

The lower masons who just enjoy their club and are truely good people are still just minions as Pike says. .......Being enlightend is not necessarily the total lack of fear......one just has a little more porcessing to do. (as I do)....
being "born again" within FMry (assuming the likes of Bush jr DO understand the plan, just shows to me that being "born again" or "enlightened" does'nt make you good.

But they have laid many traps , their symbology is both brilliant and simple , as are their myths, ancient , modern and astrotheological. They are the anti-Christ,....... the christ consciouness , for me , is finding my own peace and love for my fellow man which they intentionally make harder everyday, as they divide and de-value us.

But if there is to be one king , my money is on a Rothchilde, the family who gave us the last system upgrade ...all of Pike's work and control of the Bank of England.

Thankyou all.


But if their work is so brilliant and all encompassing then how can you be sure that the christ consciousness is not one of their constructions? it is said that even satan can appear as a being of light. Perhaps they are trying to make people into pacifists so that there will be no violent reaction to their evil takeover plans.

Also, why a rothschild? the whole focus in this forum is anti western. It is always focussed on Jews and zionists. I am not seeing anybody accuse the east of being run by the jews or what their global plans are.

[lightgiver]

The wrath of Christ,

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9548/durer2147xj6.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=durer2147xj6.jpg)

[element]

But if their work is so brilliant and all encompassing then how can you be sure that the christ consciousness is not one of their constructions? it is said that even satan can appear as a being of light. Perhaps they are trying to make people into pacifists so that there will be no violent reaction to their evil takeover plans.
Yes, it's all Satan's plan. We should be careful what to trust, and especially when people use the word 'love'....:D

Also, why a rothschild? the whole focus in this forum is anti western. It is always focussed on Jews and zionists. I am not seeing anybody accuse the east of being run by the jews or what their global plans are.
Obviously, because most people here live in the west.

Lightgiver, what are you trying to say with that picture?

[lightgiver]

Yes, it's all Satan's plan. We should be careful what to trust, and especially when people use the word 'love'....:D


Obviously, because most people here live in the west.

Lightgiver, what are you trying to say with that picture?

work it out for yourself.

[stewart edwards]

If the people knew what we didThen tell them. Educate.

More importantly tell me. I have been known to sit Freemasons down one to one and help them take steps forwards (steps that their lodges should have been there for them with:mad:). And oh yes I have also done this with normal folk, you know non-masons. (Pity no one did this with me when I needed it:mad:)

Seriously if you know something that is going to make like better for all then please tell me. Also tell me how people and communities will cope during the changeover period, without riots breaking out when things inevitably stop working like food getting into the shops. Most cities would grind to a halt in days if decisions stopped being made.

Tell me succinctly, clearly what I need to know. Please. I have a number of professional, technical and university qualifications so dont be afraid to use technical language though simple English would be best.

[boots]

If you have undertood ALL this....I think you are perhaps already ILLUMINATED..

You have broken through the secret of the ages......That the 'Secret Doctrine" is mind control, through the manipulation of all knowledge, power, money and self interest.

If the people knew what we did , the elite would be powerless.

Yes, itis indeed very interesting tracing lineage and researching pre-histroy.
I like Alan Watt , Cutting Through, Vol, 1.2.&3.

Freemasonary , the Church, 'education' are the products of this age old business plan, the Church is being 'taken down' ,the new /old age, no god of FMry is slated as the next univeral religion...and they want us all to be become as satanic and heartless as themselves.

The lower masons who just enjoy their club and are truely good people are still just minions as Pike says. .......Being enlightend is not necessarily the total lack of fear......one just has a little more porcessing to do. (as I do)....
being "born again" within FMry (assuming the likes of Bush jr DO understand the plan, just shows to me that being "born again" or "enlightened" does'nt make you good.

But they have laid many traps , their symbology is both brilliant and simple , as are their myths, ancient , modern and astrotheological. They are the anti-Christ,....... the christ consciouness , for me , is finding my own peace and love for my fellow man which they intentionally make harder everyday, as they divide and de-value us.

Perhaps if there is to be a king ,a strong contender might be a Rothchilde, the family who gave us the last system upgrade ...all of Pike's work ,from Neopolionic defeat, control of the Bank of England and have supposed bloodline ties ??

Thankyou all .

Great post lizzy:)

But they have laid many traps , their symbology is both brilliant and simple , as are their myths, ancient , modern and astrotheological. They are the anti-Christ,....... the christ consciouness , for me , is finding my own peace and love for my fellow man which they intentionally make harder everyday, as they divide and de-value us.


Exactly you can see it happening here with some posters who ALWAYS are in disagreement with anyone but their own ego.

.

[marpat]

Then tell them. Educate.

More importantly tell me. I have been known to sit Freemasons down one to one and help them take steps forwards (steps that their lodges should have been there for them with:mad:). And oh yes I have also done this with normal folk, you know non-masons. (Pity no one did this with me when I needed it:mad:)

Seriously if you know something that is going to make like better for all then please tell me. Also tell me how people and communities will cope during the changeover period, without riots breaking out when things inevitably stop working like food getting into the shops. Most cities would grind to a halt in days if decisions stopped being made.

Tell me succinctly, clearly what I need to know. Please. I have a number of professional, technical and university qualifications so dont be afraid to use technical language though simple English would be best.

Dont expect too much stewart, they dont do technical. Been down that road myself :D

[lightgiver]

Then tell them. Educate.

More importantly tell me. I have been known to sit Freemasons down one to one and help them take steps forwards (steps that their lodges should have been there for them with:mad:). And oh yes I have also done this with normal folk, you know non-masons. (Pity no one did this with me when I needed it:mad:)

Seriously if you know something that is going to make like better for all then please tell me. Also tell me how people and communities will cope during the changeover period, without riots breaking out when things inevitably stop working like food getting into the shops. Most cities would grind to a halt in days if decisions stopped being made.

Tell me succinctly, clearly what I need to know. Please. I have a number of professional, technical and university qualifications so dont be afraid to use technical language though simple English would be best.

Stewart ask yourself why are we at this state we are in.

do you know how much was paid in wall street for bonuses last year?

[boots]

Stewart ask yourself why are we at this state we are in.

do you know how much was paid in wall street for bonuses last year?

That's for starter's

What about all the statutes that are passed? have you read them all. They are taking away your liberty.

There is nothing to technical about this.

.

[stewart edwards]

Stewart ask yourself why are we at this state we are in.Simple. Imbalance. The balance between light and darkness has swung far to far towards the dark end. The result is that money talks and egos rule. Say-do gaps between positive policies and practical realities abound. Close the say do gaps, get more people [who are ready for it] to lean how to smooth their ashlar (wonder who theoretically does that:rolleyes:) and you will go a long way to rebalancing this planet.

Also power does corrupt, it really does. On the one hand you have the tendancy for egos to rule and for subordinates to want to be yes men, resulting in poor decision making. Hence leaders should be skilled craftsmen, though not necessarily Freemasons, but leaders do need training in ethics from somewhere, and knowledge of the dangers of erring. Leaders should also try to have "no" men around them to challenge them and ensure that they dont forget an important perspective. A bit like the No 2 in Hollywood submarine films always there raising thoughts and questions.

It is not rocket science.



do you know how much was paid in wall street for bonuses last year?Dont have a clue. Far far to much though. Sadly the lessons of teh game of greed was not learnt from last time around. Perhpas before the next time someone withh address the say-do gaps and egos.

[lightgiver]

Simple. Imbalance. The balance between light and darkness has swung far to war towards the dark end. The result is that money talks and egos rule. Say-do gaps between positive policies and practical realities abound. Close the say do gaps, get more people [who are ready for it] to lean how to smooth their ashlar (wonder who theoretically does that:rolleyes:) and you will go a long way to rebancing this planet.

Also power does corrupt, it really does. On the one hand you have the tendancy for egos to rule and for subordinates to want to be yes men, resulting in poor decision making. Hence leaders should be skilled craftsmen, though not necessarily Freemasons, but leaders do need training in ethics from somewhere, and knowledge of the dangers of erring. Leaders should also try to have "no" men around them to challenge them and ensure that they dont forget an important perspective. A bit like the No 2 in Hollywood submarine films always there raising thoughts and questions.

It is not rocket science.



Dont have a clue. Far far to much though. Sadly the lessons of teh game of greed was not learnt from last time around. Perhpas before the next time someone withh address the say-do gaps and egos.

Agreed,life is well out of balance to the dark side,

and around 20 billion was paid out in bonuses and that's just the tip of the iceberg.:rolleyes::mad:

example just for ONE person,

NEW YORK - John Mack’s record for the biggest bonus ever paid to a Wall Street chief executive didn’t last even a week. It was smashed by the $53.4 million that Goldman Sachs gave its chief executive, Lloyd Blankfein. one flippin person,and people are starving homeless ETC ETC, it is absolutely DISGUSTING don't you think.

HA HA what a piss take.

The bonanza for Blankfein included a cash bonus of $27.3 million, with the rest paid in stock and options. He took the helm of the investment bank in June after President Bush nominated Henry Paulson to be Treasury secretary.

and the list goes on and on and on.

[stewart edwards]

That's for starter's

What about all the statutes that are passed? have you read them all. They are taking away your liberty.

There is nothing to technical about this.

.Agreed, liberty needs to be returned to the people (I am a Scotsman remember). Hopefully our powers that be are working on this now that the international mood has changed (and if you believe spooks:) which must be true as it is filmed in ugle - the English establishment drew a line in the sand so to speak some time back).

[lizzy]

But if their work is so brilliant and all encompassing then how can you be sure that the christ consciousness is not one of their constructions? it is said that even satan can appear as a being of light. Perhaps they are trying to make people into pacifists so that there will be no violent reaction to their evil takeover plans.

Also, why a rothschild? the whole focus in this forum is anti western. It is always focussed on Jews and zionists. I am not seeing anybody accuse the east of being run by the jews or what their global plans are.

As a generalization.....
Yes, I see that... the intent of the 'one god' "upgrade" was to weaken tribal / pagan ties ,it took hold in a pre-existing faith of an after-life but offered hope and salvation too. It was of course the elites' most powerful mindcontrol tool in this era esp. as it was fear based (hell) for so long. Now it is primarily "love' based now and only useful as a means to keep them asleep. But still, many have both, they are the lucky ones, ....a love of christ and an understanding the agenda......
and why Springmeirer was a threat.

Freemasonary arrived in the East along time ago.....it emcompasses all religions , the one the elite hide behind , the Judiac, has become in the last 1000yrs the pre-eminant one. Most of the far east is owned by the west....they were slated to become the global workers , one of them will have your job oneday marpet.;)

[boots]

Agreed, liberty needs to be returned to the people (I am a Scotsman remember). Hopefully our powers that be are working on this now that the international mood has changed (and if you believe spooks:) which must be true as it is filmed in ugle - the English establihment drew a line in the sand so to speak some time back).

I wish it was true Stewart, but more statues are being passed everyday, especially in the EU. But there is a get out clause, in the technology of Freeman of the land. This based on right's and love of life.

Freewill still abounds even in the minds of the Illuminati. If you dont want to change then they will run all over you.

.

[marpat]

As a generalization.....
Yes, I see that... the intent of the 'one god' "upgrade" was to weaken tribal / pagan ties ,it took hold in a pre-existing faith of an after-life but offered hope and salvation too. It was of course the elites' most powerful mindcontrol tool in this era esp. as it was fear based (hell) for so long. Now it is primarily "love' based now and only useful as a means to keep them asleep. But still, many have both, they are the lucky ones, ....a love of christ and an understanding the agenda......
and why Springmeirer was a threat.

Freemasonary arrived in the East along time ago.....it emcompasses all religions , the one the elite hide behind , the Judiac, has become in the last 1000yrs the pre-eminant one. Most of the far east is owned by the west....they were slated to become the global workers , one of them will have your job oneday marpet.;)

Wrong, a huge amount of the US treasury is owned by China

Even the Jewish religion is not truly monotheistic, it acknowledges a female aspect as does christianity. Was not christ part of the plot according to Icke? if he was of the bloodline of David then he must have been one of them!!!

One day I will be too old for my job. Thing is though I cant really be sacked unless I do something hugely wrong. I still have a lot of years left and the only way they can get rid of me is to offer me redundency or if I screw up.

[boots]

As a generalization.....
Yes, I see that... the intent of the 'one god' "upgrade" was to weaken tribal / pagan ties ,it took hold in a pre-existing faith of an after-life but offered hope and salvation too. It was of course the elites' most powerful mindcontrol tool in this era esp. as it was fear based (hell) for so long. Now it is primarily "love' based now and only useful as a means to keep them asleep. But still, many have both, they are the lucky ones, ....a love of christ and an understanding the agenda......
and why Springmeirer was a threat.

Freemasonary arrived in the East along time ago.....it emcompasses all religions , the one the elite hide behind , the Judiac, has become in the last 1000yrs the pre-eminant one. Most of the far east is owned by the west....they were slated to become the global workers , one of them will have your job oneday marpet.;)


Exactly. This was the goal of colonization.

.

[stewart edwards]

the $53.4 million that Goldman Sachs gave its chief executive, Lloyd Blankfein. one flippin person,and people are starving homeless ETC ETC, it is absolutely DISGUSTING don't you think.Yes, though I know enough about international business to know that you wont change it easily and that it can have positive aspects for business growth, so it is not as clear cut as it may seem from a strinctly moral perspective.

One solution could be for governments to impose a bonus tax. Any bonus above a certain amount must be matched by an equivalent amount being given to the local councils to be spent on community projects, job creation, affordable housing, health care, whatever is needed in the locality. Though as big busineeses tend to be central to cities, a good part would need to be farmed out to other parts of the country. Just a thought? Good for politicians in voters eyes, big business just needs to give more back to the community, and people can still earn the big bucks.

If you can think of a better solution then please propose it. I just thought mine up on the spot.

[stewart edwards]

I wish it was true Stewart, but more statues are being passed everyday, especially in the EU. But there is a get out clause, in the technology of Freeman of the land. This based on right's and love of life.

Freewill still abounds even in the minds of the Illuminati. If you dont want to change then they will run all over you.

.Yes the EU does need to get a grip a bit. At least their accounts are being given a better audit report nowadays. Perhaps one day I will get in there and kick some butt on my way to the UN.

[lightgiver]

. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

3. The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg.113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)

5. The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy its finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914

6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

7. Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2) Read the cites above)

8. There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

9. There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178)

10. According to the GATT you must have a Social Security number. House Report (103-826)

11. We have One World Government, One World Law and a One World Monetary System. *

12. The UN is a One World Super Government. *

13. No one on this planet has ever been free. This planet is a Slave Colony. There has always been a One World Government. It is just that now it is much better organized and has changed its name as of 1945 to the United Nations. *

14. New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on C-Span that "New York City was the capital of the World" and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

15. Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619, Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)

16. Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)

17. You own no property, slaves can't own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours. You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

18. The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

19. The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24)

20. The King of England financially backed both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

21. You can not use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford Fay & Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

22. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

23. Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

24. The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)

25. A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)

26. The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

27. The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

28. The Pope's laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)

29. We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children. (Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

30. Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of the Presidents Vo 1, pg 99. Websters 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)

31. "The People" does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

32. The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)

33. It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.

34. Everything in the "United States" is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports etc. I wonder who bought Klamath lake. Did anyone take the time to check? (Executive Order 12803)

35. We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)

36. The UN has financed the operations of the United States government for over 50 years and now owns every man, women and child in America. The UN also holds all of the Land in America in Fee Simple. *

37. The good news is we don't have to fulfill "our" fictitious obligations. You can discharge a fictitious obligation with another's fictitious obligation. *

38. The depression and World War II were a total farce. The United States and various other companies were making loans to others all over the World during the Depression. The building of Germanys infrastructure in the 1930's including the Railroads was financed by the United States. That way those who call themselves "Kings," "Prime Ministers," and "Fuher,"etc could sit back and play a game of chess using real people. Think of all of the Americans, Germans etc. who gave their lives thinking they were defending their Countries which didn't even exist. The millions of innocent people who died for nothing. Isn't it obvious why Switzerland is never involved in these fiascoes? That is where the "Bank of International Settlements" is located. Wars are manufactured to keep your eye off the ball. You have to have an enemy to keep the illusion of "Government" in place. *

39. The "United States" did not declare Independence from Great Britain or King George. *

40. Guess who owns the UN?

[lightgiver]

Yes, though I know enough about international business to know that you wont change it easily and that it can have positive aspects for business growth, so it is not as clear cut as it may seem from a strinctly moral perspective.

One solution could be for governments to impose a bonus tax. Any bonus above a certain amount must be matched by an equivalent amount being given to the local councils to be spent on community projects, job creation, affordable housing, health care, whatever is needed in the locality. Though as big busineeses tend to be central to cities, a good part would need to be farmed out to other parts of the country. Just a thought? Good for politicians in voters eyes, big business just needs to give more back to the community, and people can still earn the big bucks.

If you can think of a better solution then please propose it. I just thought mine up on the spot.

EQUALITY.

these payments are OBSCENE. NO EXCUSES.

[lizzy]

Seriously if you know something that is going to make like better for all then please tell me. .

ok ;)

http://www.policestateplanning.com/id19.htm

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/

[lizzy]

Dont expect too much stewart, they dont do technical. Been down that road myself :D

You mean like being in a debate about chemtrails.:D

[boots]

Yes, though I know enough about international business to know that you wont change it easily and that it can have positive aspects for business growth, so it is not as clear cut as it may seem from a strinctly moral perspective.

One solution could be for governments to impose a bonus tax. Any bonus above a certain amount must be matched by an equivalent amount being given to the local councils to be spent on community projects, job creation, affordable housing, health care, whatever is needed in the locality. Though as big busineeses tend to be central to cities, a good part would need to be farmed out to other parts of the country. Just a thought? Good for politicians in voters eyes, big business just needs to give more back to the community, and people can still earn the big bucks.

If you can think of a better solution then please propose it. I just thought mine up on the spot.


Corporation by their structure will never change They are fictions and Corpse- rations they are dead and you can't deal with the dead.

Yes I have heard of a great idea to balance out taxes for everyone. from this site. http://www.basicfraud.com/main-0/

If every corporation and tax payer paid a 1 % tax on every transaction and not on anything else, then there would be enough money to spend on everyone in the world to better their lives.

.

[grandsecretary]

EQUALITY.

these payments are OBSCENE. NO EXCUSES.

This man is not going to sit on $53M. First of all about $30M goes straight to the Treasury in income taxes. He is going to either invest or spend the rest, creating jobs in the economy.

In England, Manchester City wanted to buy ONE footballer for $194M and his pay would have been $905,000 per week.

The same applies. In business, nobody gives anybody money unless he/she provides a return on capital invested, i.e. a profit.

How do you know that this man did not immediately give it all to charity?

Jealousy is a sin lightgiver.

[marpat]

You mean like being in a debate about chemtrails.:D


And the HAARP one too. It amazes me that people can claim that HAARP caused an earthquake but they have no idea how a radio transmitter works. Trying to get people to explain how such things are possible just ends up with mud slinging and no explanations. Having a technical backgorund means I am not liable to listen to ridiculous statements that have nothing to back them up, especially from people who think they know all this stuff but work as shelf stackers in Asda.

[boots]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=769584&postcount=114

Top post and some very good info lightgiver.:cool:

.

[lizzy]

[QUOTE=marpat;769558]Wrong, a huge amount of the US treasury is owned by China

the Rothchildes' and others have a large interest in the Bank of China....plus elite banksters will have devalued to $ to worthless......

your job .....yep, it's safe....your a natural street fighter.

BTW marpet, even the history channel had a show on Tesla and HAARP last niight:eek:

[boots]

And the HAARP one too. It amazes me that people can claim that HAARP caused an earthquake but they have no idea how a radio transmitter works. Trying to get people to explain how such things are possible just ends up with mud slinging and no explanations. Having a technical backgorund means I am not liable to listen to ridiculous statements that have nothing to back them up, especially from people who think they know all this stuff but work as shelf stackers in Asda.

Ha. Yet the military say they use the technology and an act was passed in the US senate on this very thing ie: weather warfare. Funny you dont know this when I posted the info in that thread. I guess it's back to playing with your knob's marpat:)

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[marpat]

[QUOTE=marpat;769558]Wrong, a huge amount of the US treasury is owned by China

the Rothchildes' and others have a large interest in the Bank of China....plus elite banksters will have devalued to $ to worthless......

your job .....yep, it's safe....your a natural street fighter.

BTW mapret, even the history channel had a show on Tesla and HAARP last niight:eek:

You can get all sorts on the TV though. I saw a show where a guy was trying to say a building in the US was meant to have a pyramid at the yop with an owl standing on it.

So did that show state what HAARP can do? some of the stuff people posted on it was just silly. Just the antenna it uses gives an indication of what it might be for. I guess the uneducated will not know that though ;)

[marpat]

Ha. Yet the military say they use the technology and an act was passed in the US senate on this very thing ie: weather warfare. Funny you dont know this when I posted the info in that thread. I guess it's back to playing with your knob's marpat:)

.


So you have an official quote that HAARP is used for weather warfare?

I would expect weather warfare to be the next frontier in fighting battles but that does not mean that a lot of peoples claims are true.

[lightgiver]

This man is not going to sit on $53M. First of all about $30M goes straight to the Treasury in income taxes. He is going to either invest or spend the rest, creating jobs in the economy.

In England, Manchester City wanted to buy ONE footballer for $194M and his pay would have been $905,000 per week.

The same applies. In business, nobody gives anybody money unless he/she provides a return on capital invested, i.e. a profit.

How do you know that this man did not immediately give it all to charity?

Jealousy is a sin lightgiver.


i know jealousy is a sin,i aint jealous and stop putting suggestions in people minds GS,

these payments are disgusting,and you know it,Jesus would be turning in his grave.:(

and how do i know he give anything to any one,

and like i have stated many times if the world was fair there would be no need for charity,i an sick to death of hearing weak feeble excuses for corruption going on unabated ,that is corruption in its self.

The money needs to be spread around more fairly. IT STINKS,

you will be meeting god one day.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: "Blessed are you poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

You know the commandments: 'Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not DEFRAUD, Honour your father and mother.'"

And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus looking at him said, "How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!

For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

I think you just like seeing the QUOTES.

[lizzy]

Ha. Yet the military say they use the technology and an act was passed in the US senate on this very thing ie: weather warfare. Funny you dont know this when I posted the info in that thread. I guess it's back to playing with your knob's marpat:)

.
hiya boots,
The day marpet agrees to the existence of chemtrails amd HAARP, WE can all retire,:D

[stewart edwards]

ok ;)

http://www.policestateplanning.com/id19.htm

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/Lizzy thank you. One problem though most people are not going to read through the tomb that is your first link. You need to open hearts.

Now do you "Know" the stuff in those links, or have you just read it? I ask as I have seen people buy into all sorts of stuff because of the energy buzz that surrounds it. Common sense goes out of the window at that point. The energy buzz is most easily seen in the crowds of football supporters, or a mob starting up on a street.

The anti literature is serving a valuable purpose, and I have certainly found David Icks books to be useful, but there is so much darkness in the new age and anti spheres pretending to be light that you have to be very careful.

I was sort of hoping that you could say, Stewart, this is what I know that we need to do, why it will work and why as the changeover happens we wont end up in a meltdown as things grind to a halt.

You could for example say, ethical standards need to be lived and breathed by leaders and not just written in a manual and locked away in a dusty cupboard. This will work because it will raise the standards of behaviour of all leaders and those in positions of power and promotions and pay rises for those below will be dependent on adhering to these standards as lived by those above. This will not lead to a crisis as by its very nature such a change wont happen over night, and while it may take a generation, progress can be made bit by bit year on year. It should be acceptable as the standards are already there, just ignored too often.

Go on give it a stab.

[marpat]

hiya boots,
The day marpet agrees to the existence of chemtrails amd HAARP, WE can all retire,:D


Get some real proof then not the crap that I see in here.

If you make claims about HAARP then I would like some real technical information on how it would work. If people know all about it then this should not be an issue.

Dont get me wrong, you get me the right material and I will agree but I will not agree to crap and if people evade my questions or get insulting then it just proves to me that they have nothing but an overactive imagination.

[lightgiver]

Mods this thread is going of topic,this is not a HAARP thread :mad::mad:

[marpat]

Mods this thread is going of topic,this is not a HAARP thread :mad::mad:


sniffle

Yes Lizzy, lets not upset the man by argueing in his thread.

[lightgiver]

sniffle

Yes Lizzy, lets not upset the man by argueing in his thread.

well that is your aim.as usual.

…ever notice that? …We let the demons run amok…”

[grandsecretary]

i know jealousy is a sin,i aint jealous and stop putting suggestions in people minds GS,

these payments are disgusting,and you know it,Jesus would be turning in his grave.:(

and how do i know he give anything to any one,

and like i have stated many times if the world was fair there would be no need for charity,i an sick to death of hearing weak feeble excuses for corruption going on unabated ,that is corruption in its self.

The money needs to be spread around more fairly. IT STINKS,

you will be meeting god one day.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: "Blessed are you poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

You know the commandments: 'Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not DEFRAUD, Honour your father and mother.'"

And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus looking at him said, "How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!

For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

I think you just like seeing the QUOTES.

So anyone who makes a profit is defrauding? Can't agree.

If you read the Holy Bible, all of it, it is quite clear that a fundamental distinction is made between the rich man who does nothing for the poor with his money, and the rich man who gives his money away to the poor.

Rich men were never criticised for simply earning or receiving large sums of money, but for what they did with it.

You cannot criticise this man unless you know what he does, or does not do with his money.

$30M goes immediately in taxation, to help those who are poorer than he is (spreading it around more fairly, the moral justification for Income Tax) and the rest is invested or spent, thereby creating jobs for poorer people in the economy. You do NOT know if he has given to charities. You are too quick to condemn, when you do not have sufficient factual information.

Oh, and Jesus does not have a grave. Read that Bible!

[boots]

well that is your aim.as usual.

…ever notice that? …We let the demons run amok…”

Yes sorry about that LG.

What did you want to say regarding this thread and what has been said so far?

[marpat]

well that is your aim.as usual.

…ever notice that? …We let the demons run amok…”

Dont know if you were reading but note who first mentioned chemtrails :rolleyes:

Daemons you say. I can live with that

[boots]

So anyone who makes a profit is defrauding? Can't agree.

If you read the Holy Bible, all of it, it is quite clear that a fundamental distinction is made between the rich man who does nothing for the poor with his money, and the rich man who gives his money away to the poor.

Rich men were never criticised for simply earning or receiving large sums of money, but for what they did with it.

You cannot criticise this man unless you know what he does, or does not do with his money.

$30M goes immediately in taxation, to help those who are poorer than he is, and the rest is invested or spent, thereby creating jobs for poorer people in the economy. You do NOT know if he has given to charities. You are too quick to condemn, when you do not have sufficient factual information.


No it doesn't it's go's to the running of the government and deals for large corporations.

Corporations are fictitious, they are not human beings. The majority of the profit of corporations go's to the boards salary.

.

[lightgiver]

So anyone who makes a profit is defrauding? Can't agree.

If you read the Holy Bible, all of it, it is quite clear that a fundamental distinction is made between the rich man who does nothing for the poor with his money, and the rich man who gives his money away to the poor.

Rich men were never criticised for simply earning or receiving large sums of money, but for what they did with it.

You cannot criticise this man unless you know what he does, or does not do with his money.

$30M goes immediately in taxation, to help those who are poorer than he is (spreading it around more fairly, the moral justification reason for Income Tax) and the rest is invested or spent, thereby creating jobs for poorer people in the economy. You do NOT know if he has given to charities. You are too quick to condemn, when you do not have sufficient factual information.

Yes gs,LA LA land comes to mind,i am having my own doubts about you,own agenda comes to mind,you make excuses all the time.:(

and you also are quick to judge,maybe you judged Christ in a previous life,sounds like it to me.:(


For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5574/indianpoorjw8.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indianpoorjw8.jpg)

this is not about me GS,this is about them above.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/276/02d558d6a3fa55a42fd928dor1.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02d558d6a3fa55a42fd928dor1.jpg)

cheers all around for the POOR.

The excesses of the filthy rich,

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article4772889.ece

Judgement day is coming,i hope you will be ready.

[marpat]

So anyone who makes a profit is defrauding? Can't agree.

If you read the Holy Bible, all of it, it is quite clear that a fundamental distinction is made between the rich man who does nothing for the poor with his money, and the rich man who gives his money away to the poor.

Rich men were never criticised for simply earning or receiving large sums of money, but for what they did with it.

You cannot criticise this man unless you know what he does, or does not do with his money.

$30M goes immediately in taxation, to help those who are poorer than he is (spreading it around more fairly, the moral justification for Income Tax) and the rest is invested or spent, thereby creating jobs for poorer people in the economy. You do NOT know if he has given to charities. You are too quick to condemn, when you do not have sufficient factual information.


In the news recently a man died, served in both world wars, and lived out his final years in a masonic care home. It is nice to see that the money they bring in actually benefits people in their old age.

[grandsecretary]

No it doesn't it's go's to the running of the government and deals for large corporations.

Corporations are fictitious, they are not human beings. The majority of the profit of corporations go's to the boards salary.

.

The VAST majority of Corporation profits, both in the US and the UK are re-invested in the businesses. Where else does future investment come from? The investment fairy?

By far the biggest overheads in most companies are for research and development and ordinary staff wages.

You are quick to comment, but you obviously have never run a company, mortgaged your house to pay your staff, or even read an Annual Report.

[grandsecretary]

In the news recently a man died, served in both world wars, and lived out his final years in a masonic care home. It is nice to see that the money they bring in actually benefits people in their old age.

lightgiver and boots are in the dark recesses of rabid Socialism I am afraid.

[lightgiver]

lightgiver is in the dark recesses I am afraid.

You think so eh.

we will see.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4908/tonyblairpetermandelsonil5.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tonyblairpetermandelsonil5.jpg)

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So called Enlightened people seldom or never possess a sense of responsibility.


God makes it perfectly clear what He thinks of the practice of Molech-worship,

i hope you have repented.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51336&page=9

[boots]

The VAST majority of Corporation profits, both in the US and the UK are re-invested in the businesses. Where else does future investment come from? The investment fairy?

By far the biggest overheads in most companies are for research and development and ordinary staff wages.

You are quick to comment, but you obviously have never run a company, mortgaged your house to pay your staff, or even read an Annual Report.

Errr no it does not It goes to paying of the loans that corporation take out Every corporation has a loan to the banks.:rolleyes: Geezz mate you dont really know do you?

BTW mate all money is debt. It's a debt instrument. Fed reserve prints a $100,00 note for 3 cents and loans it out to who ever for $110,00

Usury is illegal. is it not?

[grandsecretary]

Errr no it does not It goes to paying of the loans that corporation take out Every corporation has a loan to the banks.:rolleyes: Geezz mate you dont really know do you?

BTW mate all money is debt. It's a debt instrument. Fed reserve prints a $100,00 note for 3 cents and loans it out to who ever for $110,00

Usury is illegal. is it not?

So you agree then. Overheads far outweigh Executive Salaries and bonuses. Let's not argue about the minutiae of Corporate accounts. The principle is established.

And I agree with you that all modern money is debt, in that they are promisary notes.

As you know, originally, money (coin) had an intrinsic actual value in the gold or the silver used in the manufacture of the coins. Coin clipping (devaluation by theft) brought about the introduction of paper money.

Yes, usury is illegal, and quite right too, but usury is charging interest above the legal rate, not charging interest per se.

[grandsecretary]

God makes it perfectly clear what He thinks of the practice of Molech-worship,

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51336&page=9

And I agree with Him (and you) on that issue, without evasion, equivocation, or mental reservation of any kind.

[lightgiver]

And I agree with Him (and you) on that issue, without evasion, equivocation, or mental reservation of any kind.

well i thought i would never hear it ;):)

[boots]

So you agree then. Overheads far outweigh Executive Salaries and bonuses. Let's not argue about the minutiae of Corporate accounts. The principle is established.

And I agree with you that all modern money is debt, in that they are promisary notes.

As you know, originally, money (coin) had an intrinsic actual value in the gold or the silver used in the manufacture of the coins. Coin clipping (devaluation by theft) brought about the introduction of paper money.

Yes, usury is illegal, and quite right too, but usury is charging interest above the legal rate, not charging interest per se.

Well this is where it get's complicated those corporations that pay the overheads to other corporation are in the same boat. It's a vicious cycle which ends up with the banks.

Getting back to salaries of the CEO's this to is a greedy cycle. You buy 3 houses and numerous cars to fit a life style that is against human nature by this I mean when you see other's suffering in the world.

GS I would have thought all usury is illegal ?

Kick out the money lenders come's to mind.

.

[lizzy]

lightgiver and boots are in the dark recesses of rabid Socialism I am afraid.

Au Contraire , they have functioning hearts and minds.....what they are saying is something like this.....and it's all 's ok with you???
an excerpt from lightgivers link....
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The spending habits of the super-affluent now dwarf those of entire nations – and not just the poor ones. In the US the richest 0.5% of the population spends £75 billion a year – equal to total household expenditure in Italy. No wonder Steve Forbes, Forbes’s veteran publisher, says the rich have never had it so good. “These are the richest years in human history,” he says.

London plays a key role in the rise of this superclass. Thanks to its low taxation, convenient time zone and financial-services expertise, it has become the capital of footloose international wealth, personified by its richest residents: Lakshmi Mittal, the Indian steel mogul, who is worth £27.7 billion, and Roman Abramovich, the Russian oligarch, whose personal fortune stands at £12 billion. London boasts 36 resident billionaires, all eager to find lifestyle options that fit like a second skin and communicate their new-found status.

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whilst you blather on in your own selfish fashion about paying a mortgage and running a business....as if these were unwanted obligations!!!! as you talk down the unemployed.....!!!!

GS...your just one of satans' minions , hiding behind a thin facade of 'respectability' and even that does'nt wash anymore......(it never did with me anyway)

[lightgiver]

lightgiver and boots are in the dark recesses of rabid Socialism I am afraid.

Er i think not,i am not fond of isms and schisms and greed,i am fond of fairness and justice.
I am not against rich people at all i am against GREEDY people.:cool:

GS i wish you would stop with the Psych ops it may work on others but it will not work on MOI.

[grandsecretary]

Well this is where it get's complicated those corporations that pay the overheads to other corporation are in the same boat. It's a vicious cycle which ends up with the banks.

Getting back to salaries of the CEO's this to is a greedy cycle. You buy 3 houses and numerous cars to fit a life style that is against human nature by this I mean when you see other's suffering in the world.

GS I would have thought all usury is illegal ?

Kick out the money lenders come's to mind.

.

That is the point I was making. You cannot condemn a man if you do not give the reason. Simply earning the money, or making a profit is not a good enough reason. What a man does with his money is the measure.

You probably remember that Jesus kicked the money-changers out of the Temple because he felt that the Temple of God was not the place for commercial activity (buying and selling).

Extract from The Money Changers by Wayne Blank

During the time of the New Testament, Jerusalem was under Roman occupation, and Roman money was in common use. The Jewish authorities however required that only Hebrew money was acceptable payment for the Temple tax. So, money changers were allowed to set up tables and benches (the English word "bank" is derived from this word "bench") for themselves in the court of the Gentiles where they exchanged not just local Roman money, but also foreign currency from distant travelers, for shekels. Along with them were peddlers who sold animals, birds and various items for worship and sacrifice.

The money changers profited greatly from the exchange rates that they charged worshipers for shekels to pay the priests, and then from the priests to convert it back into Roman money - they were "cashing in" from both ends. They also profited exorbitantly from loans that they made - with interest rates up to 300 per cent. While there is nothing wrong with capitalism, or providing a useful and convenient banking service, these particular "bankers" were greedy profiteers who cared nothing about using God's Temple, and His worshipers, as a means to get rich.

It was the sight of this Temple "market" that triggered the only recorded incident in the human lifetime of Jesus Christ in which He reacted in a violent manner toward anyone -

"And they came to Jerusalem. And He entered the Temple and began to drive out those who sold and those who bought in the Temple, and He overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons; and He would not allow any one to carry anything through the Temple. And He taught, and said to them, "Is it not written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations'? But you have made it a den of robbers." (Mark 11:15-17 RSV)

This sets it into context.

[lizzy]

grandsecretary;

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

Are you familiar with this ? If not, I recommend it.

edit.....also control of the Bankof England......

all of it dirty tricks....a system you defend.

[grandsecretary]

Au Contraire , they have functioning hearts and minds.....what they are saying is something like this.....and it's all 's ok with you???
an excerpt from lightgivers link....
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The spending habits of the super-affluent now dwarf those of entire nations – and not just the poor ones. In the US the richest 0.5% of the population spends £75 billion a year – equal to total household expenditure in Italy. No wonder Steve Forbes, Forbes’s veteran publisher, says the rich have never had it so good. “These are the richest years in human history,” he says.

London plays a key role in the rise of this superclass. Thanks to its low taxation, convenient time zone and financial-services expertise, it has become the capital of footloose international wealth, personified by its richest residents: Lakshmi Mittal, the Indian steel mogul, who is worth £27.7 billion, and Roman Abramovich, the Russian oligarch, whose personal fortune stands at £12 billion. London boasts 36 resident billionaires, all eager to find lifestyle options that fit like a second skin and communicate their new-found status.

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whilst you blather on in your own selfish fashion about paying a mortgage and running a business....as if these were unwanted obligations!!!! as you talk down the unemployed.....!!!!

GS...your just one of satans' minions , hiding behind a thin facade of 'respectability' and even that does'nt wash anymore......(it never did with me anyway)

I have never "talked down" "the unemployed". :mad:

I have urged one or two of the posters her who are "resting", to stop moaning and smoking dope, and to get a job.

There are over 500,000 vacancies in England and Wales at the moment, plus enormous opportunities for self-employment. The ones that I have encouraged are obviously intelligent people, but are, IMHO, moaning quitters who blame everyone and everything but themselves.

I was talking about mortgaging a house (home) in order to pay staff wage bills. I have done it, and lost it, and done it again. I didn't blame reptiles when the bank asked for its money back.

[boots]

That is the point I was making. You cannot condemn a man if you do not give the reason. Simply earning the money, or making a profit is not a good enough reason. What a man does with his money is the measure.


Talking mainly about corporations and those that end up selling themselves to this dead entity.

Thats a good vid lizzy

It's not all conspiracy theories GS. A must watch.

[lizzy]

Talking mainly about corporations and those that end up selling themselves to this dead entity.

Thats a good vid lizzy

It's not all conspiracy theories GS. A must watch.

yes , thanks boots,;)

No theory , just the facts that are withheld from modern history books.

(I bet GS does'nt view it):rolleyes:

[boots]

I have never "talked down" "the unemployed". :mad:

I have urged one or two of the posters her who are "resting", to stop moaning and smoking dope, and to get a job.

There are over 500,000 vacancies in England and Wales at the moment, plus enormous opportunities for self-employment. The ones that I have encouraged are obviously intelligent people, but are, IMHO, moaning quitters who blame everyone and everything but themselves.

I was talking about mortgaging a house (home) in order to pay staff wage bills. I have done it, and lost it, and done it again. I didn't blame reptiles when the bank asked for its money back.


That' talking down to them and the plumber's:p;)


when the bank asked for its money back.

You did agree that money is a debt instrument, right.

Operating in a bankruptcy.

.

[grandsecretary]

Talking mainly about corporations and those that end up selling themselves to this dead entity.

Thats a good vid lizzy

It's not all conspiracy theories GS. A must watch.

I have dealt with banks all of my life and so far, on balance, I have won the battle. From time to time I have owed a great deal of money. I lost a home (including her indoors), and at other times I have been more fortunate.

My attitude to banks is this - a necessary evil. We MUST ensure that they are well regulated, and this is where our representatives in Government come in.

Where we differ is that I do not believe in the theory of conspiracy, but I do believe in the weakness and incompetence of many politicians, and bankers.

That is OUR fault, not theirs. We either believe in the power of a free democracy or we do not. I do, passionately, but I recognise that nothing here on earth is perfect.

Come up with a better, workable alternative, and I will listen. But you don't - you moan.

Bill Gates and his wife set up their charitable trust with $40 Billions of their own money. The did not have to do it, but they did.

Usurers? We would not be talking to each other without his genius, and poor children around the world are now being better educated because of this private trust.

[boots]

I would like to think GS is watching it now. I hope lizzy???

I would like to ask your point of view GS?

Who do you think owns the world bank and IMF?

[grandsecretary]

yes , thanks boots,;)

No theory , just the facts that are withheld from modern history books.

(I bet GS does'nt view it):rolleyes:

I will.

[grandsecretary]

That' talking down to them and the plumber's:p;)




You did agree that money is a debt instrument, right.

Operating in a bankruptcy.

.

I can't find a "expletive deleted" plumber when I want one, and when I get one, I am charged a "expletive deleted" fortune for making my taps drip even more after about 2 "expletive deleted" days! :p

If he really is a plumber, then he is a wealthy man, or should be. Stop sitting around smoking dope and get round here! :eek:

[boots]

I have dealt with banks all of my life and so far, on balance, I have won the battle. From time to time I have owed a great deal of money. I lost a home (including her indoors), and at other times I have been more fortunate.

[quote=grandsecretary;769970]My attitude to banks is this - a necessary evil. We MUST ensure that they are well regulated, and this is where our representatives in Government come in.


No chance of that mate

Where we differ is that I do not believe in the theory of conspiracy, but I do believe in the weakness and incompetence of many politicians, and bankers.


Thats because they told what to do. they have no thought of their own or else they would lose their jobs, as a matter of fact they wouldn't be in those positions of power.

That is OUR fault, not theirs. We either believe in the power of a free democracy or we do not. I do, passionately, but I recognise that nothing here on earth is perfect.

How can it be OUR fault when they make the rules? Everything is contract, this includes statues do you sign up to all the laws that have been passed, did you go to a referendum for every legislation passed in parliament? this is how a true democracy works.

Come up with a better, workable alternative, and I will listen. But you don't - you moan.


Do away with all taxes and have a 1% tax on every transaction.

Bill Gates and his wife set up their charitable trust with $40 Billions of their own money. The did not have to do it, but they did.

A foundation which is a tax deduction.

Usurers? We would not be talking to each other without his genius, and poor children around the world are now being better educated because of this private trust.

How long has this been going on 1000 years or 2 and no the thrid world countries are not better educated nor do they have a constant food supply.

[boots]

I can't find a "expletive deleted" plumber when I want one, and when I get one, I am charged a "expletive deleted" fortune for making my taps drip even more after about 2 "expletive deleted" days! :p

If he really is a plumber, then he is a wealthy man, or should be. Stop sitting around smoking dope and get round here! :eek:

:)
Generalizing GS but yes I know how it is. Frustrating.:(

[lightgiver]

Its coming. Ha Ha.

Were leaving together,
But still its farewell
And maybe we,ll come back,
To earth, who can tell?
I guess there is no one to blame
Were leaving ground
Will things ever be the same again?

Were heading for Venus and still we stand tall
Cause maybe they've seen us and welcome us all
With so many light years to go and things to be found
I'm sure that we,ll all miss her so.

I hope you have repented GS. ;):D do you have pair of flippers?? and snorkel.?

The times in which Noah was born were degenerate,

# Preoccupation with physical appetites (Luke 17:27)

# Rapid advances in technology (Gen. 4:22)

# Grossly materialistic attitudes and interests (Luke 17:28)

# Uniformitarian philosophies (Hebrews 11:7)

# Inordinate devotion to pleasure and comfort (Genesis 4:21)

# No concern for God in either belief or conduct (II Peter 2:5; Jude 15)

# Disregard for the sacredness of the marriage relation (Matthew 24:38)

# Rejection of the inspired Word of God (I Peter 3:19).

# Widespread violence (Gen. 6:11, 13)

# Corruption throughout society (Genesis 6:12)

# Preoccupation with illicit sexual activity (Genesis 4:19; 6:2)

# Widespread words and thoughts of blasphemy (Jude 15)

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/794/noahsark1bys9.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=noahsark1bys9.jpg)

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=7_IKcMl_a9A

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=IliwQImJrYE

“And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the former things are passed away.”

and to those who stalk and mock.

"All these curses shall come upon you, pursuing and overtaking you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the Lord your God, by observing the commandments and the decrees that he commanded you. They shall be among you and your descendants as a sign and a portent forever."

Those who live godly lives do not have to worry about curses coming to rest upon them. God protects the righteous.

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/how-filthy-fifty-fell-under-an-old-gypsys-death-curse-1505197.html

[grandsecretary]

The times in which Noah was born were degenerate,

THE SEVEN LAWS OF NOAH
You shall not have any idols before God;
You shall not murder (Genesis 9:6);
You shall not steal;.
You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions: adultery, incest, bestiality, male homosexual intercourse;
You shall not blaspheme God's name;
You shall not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive (Genesis 9:4);
You shall set up an effective judiciary to enforce the preceding six laws fairly.

[element]

You shall not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive (Genesis 9:4);
I thought it was like this:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=1477
[3] Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
[4] But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

No blood allowed.

You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions: adultery, incest, bestiality, male homosexual intercourse;
Lesbianity is allowed...?
Care for a quote for the above? :)

(I wouldn't mind it lol:D)

[grandsecretary]

I thought it was like this:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=1477
[3] Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
[4] But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

No blood allowed.


Lesbianity is allowed...?
Care for a quote for the above? :)

(I wouldn't mind it lol:D)

Lesbianism. It's not allowed, just not specifically excluded. It is a moral issue and I am not qualified to give you a ruling.

[lightgiver]

I thought it was like this:

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=1477
[3] Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
[4] But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

No blood allowed.


Lesbianity is allowed...?
Care for a quote for the above? :)

(I wouldn't mind it lol:D)

Was it not EVE who tempted Adam;) i read it some where, it would not surprise me,i have been tempted enough,and led up the garden path so to speak,pardon the pun,if you get my drift.:o:D

Cheers for the link.

Genesis 3 introduces the Serpent, "slier than every beast of the field." The serpent tempts the woman to eat from the tree of knowledge, telling her that it will not lead to death; she succumbs, and gives the fruit to the man, who eats also, "and the eyes of the two of them were opened.

see temptress,s they are everywhere,no wonder in Islam they cover up :D:D

Less temptation.;)

[cruise4]

Hard to believe Tsarion didn't get mentioned once.

Geometry... to what purpose?

And who is the enemy of freemasonry?

[grandsecretary]

Hard to believe Tsarion didn't get mentioned once.

Geometry... to what purpose?

And who is the enemy of freemasonry?

Geometry: Ancient Greek: γεωμετρία; geo = earth, metria = measure. Without geometry there is no knowledge. Geometry is the basis of all of the Sciences. Freemasonry is Geometry. Freemasons live by the square and compasses.

WHAT is the enemy of Freemasonry? - ignorance.

[lightgiver]

Geometry: Ancient Greek: γεωμετρία; geo = earth, metria = measure. Without geometry there is no knowledge. Geometry is the basis of all of the Sciences. Freemasonry is Geometry. Freemasons live by the square and compasses.

WHAT is the enemy of Freemasonry? - ignorance.

Hi GS :)

Why do free masons live by the square and compass?

Compass = Compass ion ;):D now for the square ;)

MORE PRECIOUS THAN A GEM

"A wise woman who was travelling in the mountains found a precious stone in a stream. The next day she met another traveller who was hungry, and the wise woman opened her bag to share her food. The hungry traveller saw the precious stone and asked the woman to give it to him. She did so without hesitation. The traveller left, rejoicing in his good fortune. He knew the stone was worth enough to give him security for a lifetime.
But a few days later he came back to return the stone to the wise woman. "I've been thinking," he said, "I know how valuable the stone is, but I give it back in the hope that you can give me something even more precious. Give me what you have within you that enabled you to give me the stone."

[grandsecretary]

Hi GS :)

Why do free masons live by the square and compass?

Compass = Compass ion ;):D now for the square ;)

MORE PRECIOUS THAN A GEM

"A wise woman who was travelling in the mountains found a precious stone in a stream. The next day she met another traveller who was hungry, and the wise woman opened her bag to share her food. The hungry traveller saw the precious stone and asked the woman to give it to him. She did so without hesitation. The traveller left, rejoicing in his good fortune. He knew the stone was worth enough to give him security for a lifetime.
But a few days later he came back to return the stone to the wise woman. "I've been thinking," he said, "I know how valuable the stone is, but I give it back in the hope that you can give me something even more precious. Give me what you have within you that enabled you to give me the stone."

A Freemason should always live by the Square and Compasses because the Square and Compasses represent God Himself.

In a Masonic Lodge they are always present, with an open Holy Bible, the word of God.

These symbols, The Square and Compasses and the Holy Book are unique in Freemasonry. Without them, a Lodge cannot be formed. The presence of God and His Holy Word is compulsory.

[lightgiver]

A Freemason should always live by the Square and Compasses because the Square and Compasses represent God Himself.

In a Masonic Lodge they are always present, with an open Holy Bible, the word of God.

These symbols, The Square and Compasses and the Holy Book are unique in Freemasonry. Without them, a Lodge cannot be formed. The presence of God and His Holy Word is compulsory.

That sounds nice Gs :) cheers for that info,see Free masons are nice people really,you always get not so good eggs in any organisation;):)

"All the peace and happiness of the whole globe,
the peace and happiness of societies,
the peace and happiness of family,
the peace and happiness in the individual persons' life,
and the peace and happiness of even the animals and so forth,
all depends on having loving kindness toward each other."

[lightgiver]

Geometry: Ancient Greek: γεωμετρία; geo = earth, metria = measure. Without geometry there is no knowledge. Geometry is the basis of all of the Sciences. Freemasonry is Geometry. Freemasons live by the square and compasses.

WHAT is the enemy of Freemasonry? - ignorance.

What do you mean without geometry there is no knowledge :confused::)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geometry

You mean without wiki for some there is no knowledge and wiki pedia is debatable.;):D

[grandsecretary]

What do you mean with geometry there is no knowledge :confused::)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geometry

You mean without wiki for some there is no knowledge and wiki pedia is debatable.;):D

Without Wikipedia our children would have a better chance of passing their exams. :(

[gtycoon]

Within the British aristocracy and European nobility?

That’s right. Foremost amongst them is the Queens first cousin, the Duke of Kent, who heads the Quatuor Coronation “research” lodge of the Grand Mother Lodge of British Freemasonry. The Lodge has an ongoing operation on Temple Mount itself, run on a day-to-day basis by the Seventh Marquis of Northampton, Spencer Douglas David Compton. Admittedly it may seem a little odd that British aristocrats are involved in the goings on at Temple Mount but take note, it gets even stranger. Because the Duke of Kent and Lord Northampton are both adherents of British Israelism: a doctrine that holds that the cream of British aristocracy is descended from one of the lost Tribes of Israel.

According to Lord Northampton: “I think the tradition of the Kabbalah is very strong in England, because I think one of the lost tribes came to England. And I think you can spot them, quite clearly, in old English families. I am sure you can. I know they came to Ireland, then to the North of Wales, and then down into England. And then became some of the oldest families we have.” In Lord Northamptons view America was also colonised by another of the lost Tribes. “That was all predicted, that one would go to Hyperborea, the land of the north, and one would go across the sea.” He told an interviewer: . . “so I think that America and England got the Two Lost Tribes, and that is why they then, in a very intellectual Jewish way, started to run the world!”

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=107

http://the-red-thread.net/index.html

The Red Thread Bloodline of the Hebrew People:

connect the dots.

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=8250619454941053618&ei=7jhySavVIInojgLngsm5BQ&q=ring+of+power+part+1&hl=en

Spencer Douglas David Compton, 7th Marquess of Northampton (or "Spenny" as he is affectionately known to close friends and brethren) has served for ten years in the position, but has had health issues arise recently. Interestingly, he has been described as "Britain's wealthiest Buddhist.

Lord Northampton is, by his own admission, a practitioner of the satanic rituals of Aleister Crowley. Indeed, as he explained to an interviewer, Lord Northampton installed one of the world’s leading "scholars" of the Golden Dawn cult, R.A. Gilbert, as the editor-in-chief of Ars Quatuor Coronarum, the theoretical journal of the lodge. Crowley had written an account of his "spiritual progress" in magic and Satanism under the title The Temple of Solomon the King.

It appears lord NORTH hampton likes to dabble in different practises?http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/rebuild_temple.html

something strange indeed is going on.

http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/46/p09.php

Take a look at Knight of Malta site and tell me what this means please:


http://the-red-thread.net/index.html
http://myphotocloud.com/userimages/registered/1_1233704219_89_north south.jpg (http://myphotocloud.com)
http://www.orderofmalta.org/english

http://myphotocloud.com/userimages/registered/1_1233704271_551_north to the south east to west.jpg (http://myphotocloud.com)

Norht to south east to west. It is masonic counter phrase too.

[lightgiver]

Hi g tycoon,

which bit precisely :)

[gtycoon]

Hi g tycoon,

which bit precisely :)

I was on Knights of malta sites (because of Pittsburgh Steelers owner is one)

I saw a masonic phrase North to South East to West. Then I went on your link and saw it again on Red Thread site.

[lightgiver]

I was on Knights of malta sites (because of Pittsburgh Steelers owner is one)

I saw a masonic phrase North to South East to West. Then I went on your link and saw it again on Red Thread site.

I do not follow The knights of Malta or any organisation you might be better asking GS:)

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1801/palandjewsa8.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=palandjewsa8.jpg)

One thing is for sure these so called world leaders and peace makers no matter which side are no better than one another,children could run things better;)

"Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

[cruise4]

OK avoidance it is :D

[lightgiver]

Without Wikipedia our children would have a better chance of passing their exams. :(

Exams are debatable also ;):D

School should be fun,imagine learning about all the ancient knowledge (including geometry)in school,you would not want to go home ;):D and the world would be a nicer place. NO MORE WAR :)

[lightgiver]

Petite secretary is debatable also.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9584/280pxshefatalzp6.png (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=280pxshefatalzp6.png)

[lightgiver]

Isaiah 42:1 This is My servant, whom I uphold,
(Tanakh) My chosen one, in whom I delight
I have put My spirit upon him,
He shall teach the true way to the nations.
He shall not cry out or shout aloud,
Or make his voice heard in the streets.
He shall not break even a dim wick.
He shall bring forth the true way.
He shall not grow dim or be bruised
Till he has established the true way on earth;
And the coastlands shall await his teaching.

The true way is the Kingdom of Heaven within

of his hand: two…a birthmark. And the hair will be red.
Chosen One And there will be lentils on…and small birthmarks on his thigh.
And after two years he will know how to distinguish one thing
from another. In his youth he will be like…a man who knows
nothing until the time when he knows the three Books.
And then he will acquire wisdom and learn understanding…
vision to come to him on his knees. And with his father and
his ancestors…life and old age. Council and prudence will be
with him, and he will know the secrets of man. His wisdom
will reach all the peoples, and he will know the secrets of all
the living. And all their designs against him will come to
nothing, and his rule over the living will be great. His designs
will succeed, for he is the Elect of God. His birth and the
breath of his spirit…and his designs will be forever… http://www.inspiredbooks.com/The-Final-Prophet.htm

[lightgiver]

Hey

Australia is having extreme weather at the moment,i wonder if it is linked to the final count down :confused:

and all them alligators on the loose,wow,

Heat in one part and flooded in another so much for being the centre of the NWO:eek:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080104-weather-video-ap.html

It appears there are a lot of extremes these days.

Australia braced for extreme weather

"Whether that's part of a long-term climate change issue or associated with some natural variability we don't know???????????

Maybe if we respect the planet and each other maybe and just maybe things may turn around.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7161897.stm

Take heed

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-4854001163280221492&ei=8eCMSaOrOI2siALf-IjJCw&q=The+big+picture+final+cut&hl=en
I can bet the seed bank is being stocked up,its pity you cannot seed in water and fire.

There is more water than earth though on the planet,and water quenches fire.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9241/theendvc1.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theendvc1.jpg)

I do like this pic :D

Causes of Corruption

1. Corruption creeps in society when the matter is considered as inert and the members of society do not find any sin in treating the benign mother earth as a quarry. In Rig Vedas spirit of God is in the “shunya” (cosmic void) of each sub atomic particle of atom- the building block of matter. Hence the matter has unsuspected vitality and its use on need based living is virtue and its excessive use is a sin. Corruption creeps in a society where economics (artha) is based on inert matter and the possession of wealth/any kind of matter having predominance of tamasik guna of stupor is considered as a matter of pride.
2. Rig Veda further says that purpose of human birth is to assist the ineffable and formless God who is also Supreme Architect (Viswakarma) in the maintenance of His grand and wondrous Design. For the maintenance of this Design, He has created Rta- eternal cosmic laws of necessity and wants all human beings to follow the same. Having created these eternal laws of nature �He Himself� follows them sternly lest a great harm is done to the cosmic creation. Thus He and His Laws (Rta) are the same. When the individuals in any society starts ignoring these laws available to human beings through the Book of Nature (which even blind individuals can read), corruption creeps in society.
3. R.V 10-34-13 also says that any kind of gambling particularly the game of dice is also cause of corruption. The vehement effect of this evil of the game of dice was described in Mahabharata.�Corruption destroys all the noble attributes of human beings due to pursuit of only material knowledge bereft of spiritual and divine knowledge, which in Vedas is ignorance/nescience/ajnan. (R.V 1-129-6). Only harmonized divine, spiritual and material knowledge is true knowledge (Janan) in Vedas.

[lightgiver]

Hope you are all ok in oz,may you be safe.

and i hope the aborigines and animals are also safe,may you all bee free from suffering.

sorry to hear of your difficulties:(

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8598/greentarajx8.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greentarajx8.jpg)

Go for refuge to TARA the protector the swift one,she will protect you from fires, earthquakes, floods and storms.

Peace to OZ.

Tara is a female Buddha, a manifestation of the ultimate wisdom of all the Buddha's. Each of the Twenty-one Tara's is a manifestation of the principal Tara, Green Tara. Tara is also known as the ‘Mother of the Conquerors’.

Tara is our common mother, our Holy Mother. When we are young we turn to our worldly mother for help. She protects us from immediate dangers, provides us with all our temporal needs, and guides and encourages us in our learning and personal development.

In the same way, during our spiritual growth we need to turn to our Holy Mother, Tara, for refuge. She protects us from all internal and external dangers, she provides us with all the necessary conditions for our spiritual training, and she guides us and inspires us with her blessings as we progress along the spiritual path.
Rescuer

‘Tara’ means ‘Rescuer’. She is so called because she rescues us from the eight outer fears (the fears of lions, elephants, fire, snakes, thieves, water, bondage, and evil spirits), and from the eight corresponding inner fears (the fears of pride, ignorance, anger, jealousy, wrong views, attachment, miserliness, and deluded doubts).

Temporarily Tara saves us from the dangers of rebirth in the three lower realms, and ultimately she saves us from the dangers of samsara and solitary peace.

If we rely upon Mother Tara sincerely and with strong faith she will protect us from all obstacles and fulfil all our wishes. Since she is a wisdom Buddha, and since she is a manifestation of the completely purified wind element, Tara is able to help us very quickly.

If we recite the twenty-one verses of praise we shall receive inconceivable benefits. These praises are very powerful because they are Sutra, the actual words of Buddha. It is good to recite them as often as we can.

OM TARÉ TUTTARÉ TURÉ SO HA. Repeat this mantra while focusing on tara and imagine all sentient beings being liberated from all types of suffering.

[lightgiver]

Aboriginal Holocaust Document: One Of Many Racist Texts Published In Australian Newspapers, Advocating Aboriginal Genocide:

...Hide it as you will, our policy towards the black is bad, but it is only the game we played all over the world; and it starts with the original occupation of the country, and any other policy would be equally outrageous that entailed the taking of the land from the blacks. By its very presence... (a philanthropic group) recognises the utility, to put it mildly, of dispossessing the blacks, and until it takes its departure to another country, and there preaches its sermon, its voice has a very hypocritical ring about it. We all want to get on here, and we all want to get somebody else to the do work needful; and if there is any dirty work we are in a position to do so. This is the black question, as put forward by the protectors of the poor savage..

http://aboriginalrights.suite101.com/article.cfm/aboriginal_holocaust_document

The Aborigines and Australia.
Aboriginals have inhabited Australia for between 40-60 000 years. On that scale, as Bill Bryson estimated 'the period of European occupation of Australia represents about 0.3% of the total'. The start of the problems that we see today can be traced back to the first landing of the white man way back in 1788.

It's a bit of a mess down under at the moment, and it has been for quite some time. The problem, some would say, is the Aboriginals-the Abo's or others would say it's the whites. The situation in Australia now is critical- Aboriginals are segregated from the rest of society not only culturally but socio-economically. The disparity between black and white, in terms of living conditions and quality of life, is shocking to say the least. The life expectancy of an Indigenous Australian is 17 years lower than his white counterpart (men are not expected to reach 60). 1

http://mypolitix.blogspot.com/2007/05/aborigines-and-australia.html

Does make one think doesn't it.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7533/colleenwallacenungaridrsi8.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=colleenwallacenungaridrsi8.jpg)

Guboo Ted Thomas, Australian Aboriginal Tribal Elder

I was in dreamtime. I seen this great wave going. I tell people about this wave. It wasn't a tidal wave. This was a spiritual wave. So, to me, I believe that the Dreamtime is going to be that.

I believe the revival is going to start in Australia when we're Dreaming. It's the hummingbee that I'm talking about. And love. We've got to learn to love one another.

You see, that's really what's going to happen to the earth. We're going to have tidal waves. We're going to have earthquakes.

That's coming because we don't consider this land as our Mother. We've taken away the balance, and we're not putting it back.

[lightgiver]

I notice the blame game as started.

So who are they gonna blame the floods on? June 2007 Hunter Region and Central Coast storms.

Have they not thought this could be natures way of telling humans to back the hell off,and instead of keep taking to start giving.

Humans must think they can get away with hurting the planet and one another,time to wake up,really wake up.

Before I sink into the big sleep
I want to hear, I want to hear
The scream of the butterfly

Come back, baby
Back into my arms

We're gettin' tired of hangin' around
Waitin' around, with our heads to the ground
I hear a very gentle sound

Very near, yet very far
Very soft, yeah, very clear
Come today, come today

What have they done to the Earth?
What have they done to our fair sister?
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn
And tied her with fences
And dragged her down

I hear a very gentle sound
With your ear down to the ground
We want the world and we want it...
Now
Now?
NOW!

Persian night, babe
See the light, babe
Save us!
Jesus!
Save us!

Illegal logging is destroying earth's lungs. In parts of South East Asia, the problem is so acute that more than a third of all timber exports are illegally sourced. I have flown(not moi BTW i never fly.) over parts of Indonesia and Thailand where you can only see wasteland where precious forests used to stand. This billion dollar business - greased by high-level collusion - is costing governments dearly, creating flash floods and landslides, and reducing the earth's capacity to absorb carbon dioxide. http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/about-unodc/costas-corner/raping-the-planet.html

Crazy human madness. :mad::( The earth is our home,when are people gonna realise,before its to late.

The economy and economics can go to hell.

"Only after the last tree has been cut down.
Only after the last river has been poisoned.
Only after the last fish has been caught.
Only then you will find that money cannot be eaten." - Cree Indian Prophecy

[lightgiver]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7880302.stm

As heavy rain swept across southern England, some areas recorded close to their monthly average rainfall for February in just 24 hours.

Extreme Weather Becoming More Frequent

Earthquakes becoming more frequent in Jharkhand State.

Could this be a warning? http://nitishpriyadarshi.blogspot.com/2008/05/earthquakes-becoming-more-frequent-in.html

In Burlington, Iowa, the rain-swollen Mississippi has swallowed part of downtown. It's the second record-breaking flood in the past 15 years — and the second time Dennis Standard's riverfront restaurant has been ruined.

"It's not supposed to happen. It's supposed to be every 500 years. I thought I'd be gone by now," Standard said, laughing. "But it's changing."

Scientists say he's right.

Floods have been recorded in Venice since the 13th Century. However they are becoming more frequent and more severe as global sea levels begin to rise. The highest flooding event recorded in Venice was in 1966 when waters rose to 193cm (76 inches). Yesterday the waters rose to 156cm (61 inches). They are also becoming more frequent. In 1900 Saint Marks Square, the lowest point in the city, flooded approximately 10 times per year. Today however this has risen to more than 60 times per year. Usually the city forecasts these events and installs wooden walkways to enable people to get around. Yesterdays flood however was so high that it would have swamped these temporary boardwalks.

Venice has been suffering a dual attack. Not only has the water been rising but the city has been sinking by about 10cm (4 inches) a year. Saving the city has been a priority of the Italian Government since they passed laws in 1973 to try and safeguard the lagoon and the city. They have been investing in a 4.1 billion euro flood defence system but this will not be ready until 2011. The city is built upon a series of islands within a lagoon with three openings to the Adriatic Sea. The flood defence plan entails building gates that are to be raised into place when a flood event is forecast.

With so much culture Venice attracts around 16 million tourists a year. If you decide to visit this historic city then do it soon - and don’t forget your rubber boots.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/08/08/2328464.htm?site=science&topic=latest

Natural Disasters Becoming More Frequent

Cyclone Nargis in Myanmar was the deadliest of this year’s many disasters. The storm killed at least 84,000 people and caused at least $10 billion in damages. The trend of more frequent global natural disasters continues, due to an onslaught of weather-related crises in the first half of 2008.

The total number of disasters as of June 30, 2008 already exceeds the average number of disasters recorded at mid-year over the past decade. Although 2008 is not on pace to eclipse 2007 as registering the most natural disasters ever, an especially active Atlantic hurricane season is expected.

During the first half of each year between 1998 and 2007, the average number of disasters recorded was 380. So far in 2008, 400 disasters have been reported, according to data released last week by Munich Re, a German reinsurance group.

The data covers geological events, such as earthquakes and volcanoes, as well as weather-related disasters like storms, floods, and heat waves.

Based on the mid-year report, 2008 is following the steady rise in natural disasters that Munich Re has tracked since 1980. The average number of disasters throughout the 1980s was 400. It increased to 630 in the 1990s and to 730 in the past ten years. The highest recorded number of natural disasters, 960, occurred in 2007, Munich Re reported.
So far this year, tornadoes, severe thunderstorms, and massive flooding have crippled the American Midwest. An earthquake in China's Sichuan province killed more than 69,000 people and caused an estimated $20 billion in damages. Cyclone Nargis in Myanmar killed at least 84,000 people and left at least $10 billion in damages. The majority of this year's disasters, 80 percent, are classified as severe thunderstorms, Munich Re says.

While other years have experienced more costly disasters, both overall economic losses and insured losses are higher in 2008 than the average losses recorded in the first half of each of the past ten years. This year's natural disasters have so far caused $50 billion in economic losses and $13 billion in insured losses, compared with $35 billion and $9 billion, respectively, over the past decade. The year of Hurricane Katrina, 2005, was the costliest ever recorded, with nearly $250 billion in combined losses.

In the United States, 109 natural disaster events have been recorded this year as of June 30 - the highest mid-year total ever for the country. During the 1980s, most years recorded less than half the number of disasters throughout all 12 months of the year. The 2008 insured property loss there due to thunderstorm events, $8.1 billion, is also record-breaking for the January-June period, Munich Re said.

A high number of disasters occurred last year despite the fact that the Atlantic hurricane season was much milder than in recent years. The 2008 Atlantic hurricane season has just begun and is expected to be more active than average. If the predictions are correct, 2008 may unfortunately surpass 2007 to become the most disastrous year ever.

Hurricane forecasters at Colorado State University predict 15 named storms and eight hurricanes this year. In the average season from 1950 to 2000, 9.6 named storms and 5.9 hurricanes have occurred.

While climate change cannot be linked to any individual weather event, it is widely accepted that warmer temperatures associated with climate change cause more extreme weather. "The year is following the long-term trend towards more weather catastrophes, which is influenced by climate change," said Torsten Jeworrek, a Munich Re board member.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change stated in its 2007 assessment that "various extreme events are very likely to change in magnitude and/or frequency and location with global warming." Predicted changes include extended periods of hot days and nights, and greater precipitation in higher latitudes. More intense tropical cyclones caused by warmer sea surfaces, while debated within the scientific community, are "likely," the report says.

A few snippets to ponder on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05pIx9gCFiA

Isn't music a wonder.

[lightgiver]

"The Galapagos is still the best preserved archipelago in the world. But what's at stake if current trends continue is that the Galapagos will be lost. Yes the Galapagos will still be there but the richness will be lost."

The rising numbers have led to a boom in the construction of hotels and a surge in imports from mainland Ecuador.


And the result is a sharp spike in the number of alien species arriving in this fragile ecosystem: 112 were recorded in 1900 but by 2007 the total had leaped to 1,321.

At the harbour in the main town of Puerto Ayora, I watched dock workers transfer crates and sacks of rice and maize from cargo ships on to barges for the journey ashore.

The airport on Baltra island, which serves the archipelago, sometimes handles half a dozen flights every day - the number has doubled in the last eight years. The aircraft cabins are sprayed before landing but evidently some insects are getting through.

One of the most aggressive is the fire ant - tiny but with a powerful sting - an example in its own right of the evolutionary principle of survival of the vicious.

Inexorable march

In a field outside the village of Bellavista, insect specialist Henri Herrera scraped away leaf litter to reveal a seething mass of the tiny red creatures.

"They're getting everywhere - it's a disaster. It could even mean that for some species the ants stop evolution."

A balance must be found between economic needs and those of wildlife

Fire ants are known to attack baby birds and young tortoises and their march from one island to another seems inexorable.

Other threats include a parasitic fly which attacks young finches and mosquitoes - which could serve as a vector for diseases which are known to exist on the mainland but have not yet arrived here.

The government of Ecuador has drawn up an action plan to curb this menace. Criticised by the UN agency UNESCO - which in 2007 listed the Galapagos as a world heritage site in danger - the authorities are now introducing tougher measures.

The director of the Galapagos National Park, Edgar Munoz, accepts that invasive species pose the most serious risk to the islands but says the government's actions will tackle the threat.

Some birds are threatened by invasive creatures

"What we're hoping to accomplish is fifty more years in which any problems will be diminished."

Earlier conservation efforts - to cull several islands of feral goats which eat the plants giant tortoises depend on - have proved successful but some experts warn that eliminating particular insects will be far harder.

For Ecuador, a developing country, the Galapagos provides a major source of revenue. But a balance will need to found if the islands are to preserve what makes them so special.

[lightgiver]

The Chinese government has declared an emergency and allocated nearly $60m to battle the country's worst drought in 50 years.

Hu Jintao, the president, and Wen Jiabao, the premier, ordered all-out efforts to fight the drought at a cabinet meeting on Thursday as the government said more than four million people and two million livestock were without proper drinking water in the north and central regions.

The allocated $58.5m for relief work as the Office of State Flood and Drought Relief said on its website that the crisis had been raised from a level two to a level one emergency, giving the department authority to take control of relief operations.

The department said rainfall in many parts of northern and central China had dropped by 50 to 80 per cent and the drought, which began in November, is said to have also affected 10.33 million hectares of crops.

Zhao Mifen, a farmer, told the Reuters news agency that "there was no snow, no rain".

Zhao and her husband, who farm one-fifth of a hectare in the flat plains near Xingtai, in southern Hebei province, said they had to supplement their income by making construction materials.

The state-run Xinhua news agency reported that almost half of the wheat crop in eight provinces - Hebei, Shanxi, Anhui, Jiangsu, Henan, Shandong, Shaanxi and Gansu - were threatened.

China suffers from an uneven distribution of its water resources, where per person water availability in the north is less than a quarter of that in southern China.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/02/20092633641683440.html

[lightgiver]

The UN secretary-general today called on world leaders for immediate action on climate change - before flying thousands of miles to the US for a music concert and then leaving in the interval to jet to Europe. [Evening Standard 12/12/07]


Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research. A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes. Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures. The Sun is in a changed state. It is brighter than it was a few hundred years ago and this brightening started relatively recently - in the last 100 to 150 years." [Telegraph 18/07/04] They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer. [BBC 07/06/04].

Secret societies are out of control,they need to be exposed and to come out of the closet.

[thelonious]

The UN secretary-general today called on world leaders for immediate action on climate change - before flying thousands of miles to the US for a music concert and then leaving in the interval to jet to Europe. [Evening Standard 12/12/07]


Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research. A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes. Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures. The Sun is in a changed state. It is brighter than it was a few hundred years ago and this brightening started relatively recently - in the last 100 to 150 years." [Telegraph 18/07/04] They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer. [BBC 07/06/04].

Secret societies are out of control,they need to be exposed and to come out of the closet.

You really need to find a girlfriend.

[lightgiver]

You really need to find a girlfriend.

And you need to piss off from this forum.

1 of many tactics employed by agents of deception,

Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

and another tactic used,

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

Looks like more threads being allowed to be ruined.

[thelonious]

1 of many tactics employed by agents of deception,



You should know. You've employed every tactic of deception possible.

[lizzy]

hi LG....

Great thread .;)

'Secret societies are out of control,they need to be exposed and to come out of the closet. '

I think their 'out' lg, I see the evil compounding ...but few can see them..(it's not on the nightly news)...Watt referred to being a 'voice in the wilderness' the other day.....many know something is wrong but they don't know WHAT or WHO (as most do here)......

Your posts and empathy do you great credit.

[lightgiver]

hi LG....

Great thread .;)

'Secret societies are out of control,they need to be exposed and to come out of the closet. '

I think their 'out' lg, I see the evil compounding ...but few can see them..(it's not on the nightly news)...Watt referred to being a 'voice in the wilderness' the other day.....many know something is wrong but they don't know WHAT or WHO (as most do here)......

Your posts and empathy do you great credit.

HI liz thanks.

I have complained about these stalkers ruining this forum and nothing is happening,i do not understand do you,

Is this the D ICKE forum??

I am off this BS if this carry s on,this is continual stalking by the same people people day in day out, WTF is going on?


so much for the truth eh,i do not know why i bother and waste my time.

cheers liz for your support.:)

[lizzy]

You should know. You've employed every tactic of deception possible.

Bullshit.....total CRAP.......lightgiver has brought an enormous amount of knowledge, critical thinking and kindness to this forum. He knows who the real enemy is and a true humanitarian / truth seeker / fighter.

[thelonious]

Bullshit.....total CRAP.......lightgiver has brought an enormous amount of knowledge, critical thinking and kindness to this forum. He knows who the real enemy is and a true humanitarian.

Whatever. Have fun in fantasy land.

[lightgiver]

Whatever. Have fun in fantasy land.

I would love to meet you,i will come across you one day.

[marpat]

Bullshit.....total CRAP.......lightgiver has brought an enormous amount of knowledge, critical thinking and kindness to this forum. He knows who the real enemy is and a true humanitarian / truth seeking / fighter.

I think not. He makes lots of accusations and when his points are defeated he cries to the mods and complains about people ruining the forum. Do people want a situation in which wild and absurd accusation can be made and nobody will debate the issue? I guess that would suit some people down to the ground but it is not really any good for learning.

If people want to tell people what the truth is and not debate it then they should be catholic priests.

[thelonious]

I would love to meet you,i will come across you one day.

I'm looking forward to it, you need a lesson in respect.

[marpat]

I would love to meet you,i will come across you one day.

You could really unleash your anger on him then :D

[lightgiver]

i'm looking forward to it, you need a lesson in respect.

are you going to do it then,you are to thick to know what respect is.

[thelonious]

You could really unleash your anger on him then :D

Here he goes:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r255/slider676/bitch_slap.jpg

[lightgiver]

You could really unleash your anger on him then :D

how you are allowed to dish out so much BS is beyond comprehension,we know you are trying to get this thread moved,keep trying .
Its like debating with baby's it is beyond comprehension,how the hell are you getting away with it?

Like i say if you want a meet up no problem but you have not got the guts.

[marpat]

how you are allowed to dish out so much BS is beyond comprehension,we know you are trying to get this thread moved,keep trying .

How, by debating with you? is that not what a forum is for?

[lightgiver]

How, by debating with you? is that not what a forum is for?

All you do is make personnel comments without any proof of your own and you continually attack forum members with any interjection by moderators you bring this forum down.

[marpat]

All you do is make personnel comments without any proof of your own and you continually attack forum members with any interjection by moderators you bring this forum down.

Not unlike yourself then.

Actually there have been time when the mods have given me warnings for being harsh on people. I accept that and live with it even if I think they deserve harsh treatment. I am not going to come into the forum and cry and start throwing my teddy about because of it. You seem to think believers should get preferential treatment.

[lightgiver]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6909/yawnbo9.gif (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yawnbo9.gif)

1 of many tactics employed by agents of deception,

Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues and another ploy not having a girl or boy friend. ha ha.

and another tactic used,

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

Looks like more threads being allowed to be ruined.

[lizzy]

All you do is make personnel comments without any proof of your own and you continually attack forum members with any interjection by moderators you bring this forum down.

MODS ...REALLY....please clean this valuable thead up....and let it proceed without derailment ......FFS......do your job.!!!!

[lightgiver]

MODS ...REALLY....please clean this valuable thead up....and let it proceed without derailment ......FFS......do your job.!!!!

Cheers liz,

you see liz the truth hurts and some do not want the truth i will just keep re posting info, engaging with deceivers is just not worth the time and energy.:)

But at least i have exposed them a little bit more,one wonders how can such a person work and spend so much time on here ,:D:D

Cheers once again :)

P.S i knew it would not be long before the thread would tried to be destroyed,some just do not want the truth of this sick world run by mad people.

[lightgiver]

The gospel according to the Men in Black and not of the will smith variety ;)

We're not here to destroy
We are here to employ

We have come to make you function
So we can eat at our functions

We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack

Information can destroy
So we'll treat you just like toys

Healthy livestock so we can eat
Human flesh is porky meat hee hee heeeeeeeeeeeeeee ...

We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack
We don't approve of artificial food
We grow you for our own good

First we gave you the wheel
Then we made you live to kill

So the best stock will survive
We eat you all alive

We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGLeAS1iEK4

and the raven is mentioned in the life of Noah.

"And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made. He sent out the raven, and it kept going and returning until the drying of the waters from upon the earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZFXPq4QvLc

2 vids posted BTW,if they go missing aint my problem,i do like to liven the threads up.

[lightgiver]

If there were a really bad person who was about to launch nuclear weapons or engage in germ warfare, the most compassionate thing would be to have somebody take him out without hurting innocent people. In the Theravada ethic, you say, "We don't know the real story here. I don't know whose karma is what, so I can't get involved." But in the bodhisattva ethic, if you see someone about to kill a bunch of people, you have to stop him or you're an accomplice. If you don't stop him, not only are you letting others lose their lives, but you're also harming the killer because he's going to have very bad karmic effects. You try to stop him without killing, but if you have to kill, you do. You get bad karma, too, but because you are acting out of compassion, not hatred, the good karma will outweigh the bad. :D

Wisdom is knowing how little some people really know but pretend to be wise and know ledgeable. :D such is life.

appears to be a lot of this on this forum sad to say.

JEALOUSY

Jealousy is wanting an object for oneself which belongs to others, so obviously it is strongly related to attachment.

and this also,

IGNORANCE

Ignorance is not only not knowing, but also includes not wanting to know.The deeper level of ignorance refers to a lack of wisdom or insight into the nature of reality.

[marpat]

Cheers liz,

you see liz the truth hurts and some do not want the truth i will just keep re posting info, engaging with deceivers is just not worth the time and energy.:)

But at least i have exposed them a little bit more,one wonders how can such a person work and spend so much time on here ,:D:D

Cheers once again :)

P.S i knew it would not be long before the thread would tried to be destroyed,some just do not want the truth of this sick world run by mad people.

But if the truth hurts then why are you the one crying?

As for re-posting look at your recent posts. You have copied and pasted entire paragraphs of text from one post to another. I would even call it spamming.

It is not that the thread gets destroyed but the things you post are just self destructive and lead to destruction!!

[lightgiver]

If there were a really bad person who was about to launch nuclear weapons or engage in germ warfare, the most compassionate thing would be to have somebody take him out without hurting innocent people. In the Theravada ethic, you say, "We don't know the real story here. I don't know whose karma is what, so I can't get involved." But in the bodhisattva ethic, if you see someone about to kill a bunch of people, you have to stop him or you're an accomplice. If you don't stop him, not only are you letting others lose their lives, but you're also harming the killer because he's going to have very bad karmic effects. You try to stop him without killing, but if you have to kill, you do. You get bad karma, too, but because you are acting out of compassion, not hatred, the good karma will outweigh the bad.

Wisdom is knowing how little some people really know but pretend to be wise and know ledgeable. such is life.

appears to be a lot of this on this forum sad to say.

JEALOUSY

Jealousy is wanting an object for oneself which belongs to others, so obviously it is strongly related to attachment.

and this also,

IGNORANCE

Ignorance is not only not knowing, but also includes not wanting to know.The deeper level of ignorance refers to a lack of wisdom or insight into the nature of reality.

I will not have this thread ruined,so i will keep re posting info if that's what it takes.

and you can post as many cheap personnel comments as you like.

1 of many tactics employed by agents of deception,

Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues and another ploy not having a girl or boy friend. ha ha.

[marpat]

Maybe people would listen to you if you were intelligent and full of wisdom but that is the weak link in your armor. You make accusations and when they are beaten you act as if you are some poor victim and then you start getting mad and threatening. Are these the acts of a wise man?

I must say that you act of copying that text into many of your recent posts leaves me with the impression that you are under some form or mental control or condition. Repetative gibberings are not ususally a sign of sanity.

[lightgiver]

The gospel according to the Men in Black and not of the will smith variety

We're not here to destroy
We are here to employ

We have come to make you function
So we can eat at our functions

We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack

Information can destroy
So we'll treat you just like toys

Healthy livestock so we can eat
Human flesh is porky meat hee hee heeeeeeeeeeeeeee ...

We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack
We don't approve of artificial food
We grow you for our own good

First we gave you the wheel
Then we made you live to kill

So the best stock will survive
We eat you all alive

We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack
We are the meninblack


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGLeAS1iEK4

and the raven is mentioned in the life of Noah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZFXPq4QvLc

"And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made. He sent out the raven, and it kept going and returning until the drying of the waters from upon the earth.

1 of many tactics employed by agents of deception,

Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues and another ploy not having a girl or boy friend. ha ha.

I will not have this thread ruined and if it means keep re posting information,then so be it.

[marpat]

I think the only thing that has been derailed is your mind :D

[lightgiver]

Causes of Corruption

1. Corruption creeps in society when the matter is considered as inert and the members of society do not find any sin in treating the benign mother earth as a quarry. In Rig Vedas spirit of God is in the “shunya” (cosmic void) of each sub atomic particle of atom- the building block of matter. Hence the matter has unsuspected vitality and its use on need based living is virtue and its excessive use is a sin. Corruption creeps in a society where economics (artha) is based on inert matter and the possession of wealth/any kind of matter having predominance of tamasik guna of stupor is considered as a matter of pride.
2. Rig Veda further says that purpose of human birth is to assist the ineffable and formless God who is also Supreme Architect (Viswakarma) in the maintenance of His grand and wondrous Design. For the maintenance of this Design, He has created Rta- eternal cosmic laws of necessity and wants all human beings to follow the same. Having created these eternal laws of nature �He Himself� follows them sternly lest a great harm is done to the cosmic creation. Thus He and His Laws (Rta) are the same. When the individuals in any society starts ignoring these laws available to human beings through the Book of Nature (which even blind individuals can read), corruption creeps in society.
3. R.V 10-34-13 also says that any kind of gambling particularly the game of dice is also cause of corruption. The vehement effect of this evil of the game of dice was described in Mahabharata.�Corruption destroys all the noble attributes of human beings due to pursuit of only material knowledge bereft of spiritual and divine knowledge, which in Vedas is ignorance/nescience/ajnan. (R.V 1-129-6). Only harmonized divine, spiritual and material.


1 of many tactics employed by agents of deception,

Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

[metacomet]

I think the only thing that has been derailed is your mind :D

:rolleyes: Cute.

It's obvious what you've been up to in this thread marpat.

I'm going to join the group of people keeping an eye on you...

What you're doing on this forum is pretty sad to witness.

[marpat]

:rolleyes: Cute.

It's obvious what you've been up to in this thread marpat.

I'm going to join the group of people keeping an eye on you...

What you're doing on this forum is pretty sad to witness.

I am honoured to have a group of people watching me. Talk about the big brother state!!!

[lightgiver]

Causes of Corruption

1. Corruption creeps in society when the matter is considered as inert and the members of society do not find any sin in treating the benign mother earth as a quarry. In Rig Vedas spirit of God is in the “shunya” (cosmic void) of each sub atomic particle of atom- the building block of matter. Hence the matter has unsuspected vitality and its use on need based living is virtue and its excessive use is a sin. Corruption creeps in a society where economics (artha) is based on inert matter and the possession of wealth/any kind of matter having predominance of tamasik guna of stupor is considered as a matter of pride.
2. Rig Veda further says that purpose of human birth is to assist the ineffable and formless God who is also Supreme Architect (Viswakarma) in the maintenance of His grand and wondrous Design. For the maintenance of this Design, He has created Rta- eternal cosmic laws of necessity and wants all human beings to follow the same. Having created these eternal laws of nature �He Himself� follows them sternly lest a great harm is done to the cosmic creation. Thus He and His Laws (Rta) are the same. When the individuals in any society starts ignoring these laws available to human beings through the Book of Nature (which even blind individuals can read), corruption creeps in society.
3. R.V 10-34-13 also says that any kind of gambling particularly the game of dice is also cause of corruption. The vehement effect of this evil of the game of dice was described in Mahabharata.�Corruption destroys all the noble attributes of human beings due to pursuit of only material knowledge bereft of spiritual and divine knowledge, which in Vedas is ignorance/nescience/ajnan. (R.V 1-129-6). Only harmonized divine, spiritual and material.


1 of many tactics employed by agents of deception,

Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

If there were a really bad person who was about to launch nuclear weapons or engage in germ warfare, the most compassionate thing would be to have somebody take him out without hurting innocent people. In the Theravada ethic, you say, "We don't know the real story here. I don't know whose karma is what, so I can't get involved." But in the bodhisattva ethic, if you see someone about to kill a bunch of people, you have to stop him or you're an accomplice. If you don't stop him, not only are you letting others lose their lives, but you're also harming the killer because he's going to have very bad karmic effects. You try to stop him without killing, but if you have to kill, you do. You get bad karma, too, but because you are acting out of compassion, not hatred, the good karma will outweigh the bad.

Wisdom is knowing how little some people really know but pretend to be wise and know ledgeable. such is life.

appears to be a lot of this on this forum sad to say.

JEALOUSY

Jealousy is wanting an object for oneself which belongs to others, so obviously it is strongly related to attachment.

and this also,

IGNORANCE

Ignorance is not only not knowing, but also includes not wanting to know.The deeper level of ignorance refers to a lack of wisdom or insight into the nature of reality.

[marpat]

you are spamming LG

[lightgiver]

Within the British aristocracy and European nobility?

That’s right. Foremost amongst them is the Queens first cousin, the Duke of Kent, who heads the Quatuor Coronation “research” lodge of the Grand Mother Lodge of British Freemasonry. The Lodge has an ongoing operation on Temple Mount itself, run on a day-to-day basis by the Seventh Marquis of Northampton, Spencer Douglas David Compton. Admittedly it may seem a little odd that British aristocrats are involved in the goings on at Temple Mount but take note, it gets even stranger. Because the Duke of Kent and Lord Northampton are both adherents of British Israelism: a doctrine that holds that the cream of British aristocracy is descended from one of the lost Tribes of Israel.

According to Lord Northampton: “I think the tradition of the Kabbalah is very strong in England, because I think one of the lost tribes came to England. And I think you can spot them, quite clearly, in old English families. I am sure you can. I know they came to Ireland, then to the North of Wales, and then down into England. And then became some of the oldest families we have.” In Lord Northamptons view America was also colonised by another of the lost Tribes. “That was all predicted, that one would go to Hyperborea, the land of the north, and one would go across the sea.” He told an interviewer: . . “so I think that America and England got the Two Lost Tribes, and that is why they then, in a very intellectual Jewish way, started to run the world!”

http://the-red-thread.net/index.html

[marpat]

So he has some crazy ideas, he is not the only one

[lightgiver]

Hi Lightgiver

Hmmmmm, We could be the centre of the universe... If you mean each of us is our own universe, then this could also be possible. But I am male and I would end up feeling alone without company, and possibly get depressed. It would be good to have friends, but I do not want clones for friends, everyone the same and likes the same music and this and that. It would get boring after a while with no change, and why go backwords when we would change for the better, me and my friends... Where would I find all these individual souls/energies/sprits etc in my own world?

But then that leaves questions on 'soul mates' and such, if such a thing is possible... Creation and love are joined together, and life should be fun. I now have found my 'soul' mate in my universe and later have kids... But where did I find her, that soul mate? Yes, it is my universe, but I would not like to make someone the way I would find perfect... It would take me trillions of years, changing this and changing that.. Can one person ever make their own version of perfection???

If you think the world now is your creation then I am not here, and there is no point in asking me questions and in reality you are just asking yourself... So in your universe right now, you created this website and the rest and the rest... "Why do you fight yourself so much" I would ask you and many more burning questions... We are all special, but we cant do it alone

Evolution is one way forward, a bit like talking online and expressing yourself and not other people, is a way for things to fit into place, one way of many, but its good to talk...

I would carry on researching If i was you, yer doing alright... If some people kick you, think before you leap on them, if ya think they have kicked you for no reason other than to be cruel and nasty then show your teeth

Are the Annunaki the Giants? I've heard of Giants called by this in places, if so I think there could have been a long time in between the Giants and the Babylonian crew...

Heaven and Earth - Many people cant see the wood for the trees... Life is simple and very few people listen to simple logical positive solutions anymore. everyone wants the hi-tech/low-tech, with brain damaging crap talked about it,"it can do this and all that shit"... In this world, cash wins over logic, cash wins over love, cash wins over ?

Carry on in the tribes, carry on in everything that feels right, gives you that 'tingle'... But DONT be scared, you are researching and doing nothing dangerous or killing anyone. Go with the flow, your own flow

WOW Do you realy want Enlightenment Lightgiver, that would make you Illuminati do be full of light, you would become like Yoda or another Great Wizard, or Witch

Tribes,Clans- What about China and the Maya and?

Life is a clue, I dont want to go over things I've said and point things out, or other things people have said.. I dont even like bringing links to a thread...

You are you and free to choose, I am me and have the same...

Do you like music, it can tell you many things when ya listen right, occult knowledge? Art and music and myths and legends are ways of keeping information safe, and the kids love fairy tails and makes them feel warm and safe while their parents have to deal with all the shit...............


What do you do for relaxing, chilling out from this 'hell' ???

Life was brilliant, and can be wonderful and lead to perfection, so much to explore... If humanity realy want it!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZZFO9F8FWU

[grandsecretary]

you are spamming LG

And it is deliberately designed to stifle debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

Get used to the diet because he won't stop until the forum bans him, and the sooner the better.

[lightgiver]

And it is deliberately designed to stifle debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

Get used to the diet because he won't stop until the forum bans him, and the sooner the better.

Another gang member joining in :rolleyes:

Typical masonic tactics and hijacking posts and thread,where did you just suddenly crawl from?,no work to do on crappy emmerdale a third rate soap for actors who could not make the grade.
Maybe you may get a samsaric award on soap award day.

I would rather that you not come and hijack my posts thank you very much,i get enough shit of your kind.

banning who exactly,and what gives you that deluded thought i do not go around insulting and making the very personnel comments that you have just made?

Placing suggestions again,its a pity that you do not know your mates background,that's the trouble with forums you never know who you are dealing with.

and BTW i preferred your other pic. :D i see your look a like has had the sack also :D:D and last time i saw emmerdale maybe some of the actors on there could do with the sack,my nanny goat could act better.;)

Keep trying GS.

[metacomet]

Ooo grandsecretary and marpat... two of the same cloth.

While you're both in here let me point something important out:

This is lightgivers thread.

Not yours.

He cannot 'spam' his own thread.

Nice try? :confused:

Tools. :rolleyes:

[lightgiver]

Ooo grandsecretary and marpat... two of the same cloth.

While you're both in here let me point something important out:

This is lightgivers thread.

Not yours.

He cannot 'spam' his own thread.

Nice try? :confused:

Tools. :rolleyes:

wait until martin joins in and the rest of the crew,be careful not to bait metacomet or it will end up in the rant room that is their plan,just reply with relevant posts pertinent to the topic in hand please.;):)

[metacomet]

wait until martin joins in and the rest of the crew,be careful not to bait metacomet or it will end up in the rant room that is their plan,just reply with relevant posts pertinent to the topic in hand please.;):)

;) Carry on.

[grandsecretary]

Gwolk. ;)

[lightgiver]

Gwolk. ;)

Not the Venus thing again ;):D:D I still like you BTW,you make me laugh you should have been in monty python.
I just do not like being called a racist something i am strongly against seeing i have a lot of friends of different races,that upset me GS,i bet you never got a warning for it though did you now.

[grandsecretary]

Not the Venus thing again ;):D:D I still like you BTW,you make me laugh you should have been in monty python.


I cannot possibly express what this means to me. ;)

[lightgiver]

I cannot express what this means to me. ;)

I do not bear grudges GS even with marpat or the other attackers;) i want sentient beings to live in a fair and just society with no war, murder of any kind to anyone regardless of race and will do anything in my power to oppose it,until peace is brought to this planet once and for all and there are plenty who share my view (including you)why people want temporary power is beyond me.

Maybe its fear,when in reality there is nothing to fear.:) Peace LG.

Oh and BTW gs i hope i did not cause you any offence because none was intended,i just get a lot passionate,and your acting is not that bad ;)

[lightgiver]

Thousands of species around the globe are becoming extinct, but E. O.Wilson, the man who made biodiversity a household word, says all is not lost-yet.

If, a century from now, earthlings gaze upon their planet and wonder at its extraordinary diversity of life, they are likely to hold in reverence the name of one man: Edward O. Wilson. Indeed, many today who fear the rapid destruction of biological diversity already regard Wilson as the nearest thing to a saviour that science has produced.

Earth's biodiversity has not been saved-not yet. Uncounted species are endangered, flickering out of existence in large numbers before they can even be named. But the man who has done more than almost anyone else to focus society's attention on the value of biological diversity, and the threats to it, says there is reason for hope. Though he would be the last to say so, Wilson's campaign on behalf of the living world has helped make the conservation movement's goals attainable.

No starry-eyed radical, the Harvard University zoologist helped establish the concept of biological diversity, or biodiversity for short, as a measure of an ecosystem's value to the planet.

The more species of plants, animals, and other life-forms in a given region, the more resistant that region is to destruction and the better it can perform its environmental roles of cleansing water, enriching the soil, maintaining stable climates, even generating the oxygen we breathe. In 1963 Wilson, along with Robert H. MacArthur, developed the theory called "island biogeography": As the size of a natural area shrinks, the number of species it can sustain shrinks faster. Since then the theory has been confirmed with alarming repetition.

Now 70 and supposedly retired, Wilson is as busy as ever. He continues studying his specialty, ants; he's working on a new classification of one major ant group. He still writes eloquent books; 2 of his 20 titles, On Human Nature and The Ants, have won Pulitzer Prizes. He still helps guide environmental organizations; currently, he's on the boards of the Nature Conservancy, Conservation International, and the American Museum of Natural History. And he still lectures around the world to save all living species; his Alabama-bred folksiness, combined with a sterling scientific reputation, makes him highly persuasive.

I've followed Wilson's career since 1975, when I wrote about his controversial book Sociobiology for The New York Times. In those days, he was often attacked for suggesting in that book that certain human behaviours are influenced by urges or instincts that evolved through natural selection. The attacks hurt him deeply. Today sociobiology is widely accepted and, because of his work in biodiversity, Wilson is lionized by many who attacked him decades earlier. "I haven't changed," he observes quietly.

http://audubonmagazine.org/biodiversity.html

Our only home,

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/347/sunseton5.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sunseton5.jpg)

Please look after it. :)

with the correct management millions more could inhabit this realm for the next million years.

[marpat]

Ooo grandsecretary and marpat... two of the same cloth.

While you're both in here let me point something important out:

This is lightgivers thread.

Not yours.

He cannot 'spam' his own thread.

Nice try? :confused:

Tools. :rolleyes:


So when he keep repeating the same pointless text then that should not be classed as spam?

He may have started the thread but he does not own it. He is just another forum user.

[lightgiver]

So when he keep repeating the same pointless text then that should not be classed as spam?

He may have started the thread but he does not own it. He is just another forum user.

Hey pal

stop stalking me and ruining this thread.:mad:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6909/yawnbo9.gif (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yawnbo9.gif)

you are getting really boring now.

Military my arse. :D what a joke.

[lightgiver]

Because of the Luciferians' extensive tampering with Earth's present civilization, it has not been able to significantly serve as a stepping stone toward the Next Evolutionary Level.

The true Kingdom of God allows, and has for many civilizations, the Luciferian presence and influence on Earth's surface in order to fulfill the design of choice (free will) and options for developing souls. Human flesh bodies are suits of clothes (containers) for the soul. They can act as tools for evolutionary classroom progression. At the human level they are designed to have short life spans - as perennials. Flesh bodies do not (are not designed to) significantly evolve. It is the soul which has the potential to evolve from one biological kingdom level to another biological kingdom level, if it can (with the help of Reps from the NEXT LEVEL) make it out of the previous one.

[lightgiver]

Bump :D

[metacomet]

So when he keep repeating the same pointless text then that should not be classed as spam?

He may have started the thread but he does not own it. He is just another forum user.

The OP can post as many times and as many things, irrelevant or otherwise... each thread creator is responsible for his input in such threads... let them do as they please. If someone you don't enjoy reading creates a thread... avoid it... don't tell them to hush.


Why suggest that an OP is 'spamming' should they try to further their agenda so to speak? It's their thread.Their agenda does not have to include slowing to the readers pace.

[lightgiver]

The OP can post as many times and as many things, irrelevant or otherwise... each thread creator is responsible for his input in such threads... let them do as they please. If someone you don't enjoy reading creates a thread... avoid it... don't tell them to hush.


Why suggest that an OP is 'spamming' should they try to further their agenda so to speak? It's their thread.Their agenda does not have to include slowing to the readers pace.

metacomet,

cheers mate,but do not encourage him ;) i have had enough hassle on my posts.:) Thanks, I type on eggshells ;):D
easiest thing to do is to contact a mod.
they are just trying to get my truthful posts ranted or me banned.:(;)

[lightgiver]

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9192/wheelbp0.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wheelbp0.jpg)

Around it goes and around and around.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3228/dancingtriomn4.gif (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dancingtriomn4.gif)

and up and down,and beings still never find true happiness.

Because they are afflicted with the 3 poisons.

[lightgiver]

I cannot possibly express what this means to me. ;)

GS,have you left us all ?:( where is mike and the merry men ??? come on,its got quiet.

We cant be that bad :D:D

[lizzy]

Within the British aristocracy and European nobility?

That’s right. Foremost amongst them is the Queens first cousin, the Duke of Kent, who heads the Quatuor Coronation “research” lodge of the Grand Mother Lodge of British Freemasonry. The Lodge has an ongoing operation on Temple Mount itself, run on a day-to-day basis by the Seventh Marquis of Northampton, Spencer Douglas David Compton. Admittedly it may seem a little odd that British aristocrats are involved in the goings on at Temple Mount but take note, it gets even stranger. Because the Duke of Kent and Lord Northampton are both adherents of British Israelism: a doctrine that holds that the cream of British aristocracy is descended from one of the lost Tribes of Israel.

According to Lord Northampton: “I think the tradition of the Kabbalah is very strong in England, because I think one of the lost tribes came to England. And I think you can spot them, quite clearly, in old English families. I am sure you can. I know they came to Ireland, then to the North of Wales, and then down into England. And then became some of the oldest families we have.” In Lord Northamptons view America was also colonised by another of the lost Tribes. “That was all predicted, that one would go to Hyperborea, the land of the north, and one would go across the sea.” He told an interviewer: . . “so I think that America and England got the Two Lost Tribes, and that is why they then, in a very intellectual Jewish way, started to run the world!”

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=107

http://the-red-thread.net/index.html

The Red Thread Bloodline of the Hebrew People:

connect the dots.

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=8250619454941053618&ei=7jhySavVIInojgLngsm5BQ&q=ring+of+power+part+1&hl=en

Spencer Douglas David Compton, 7th Marquess of Northampton (or "Spenny" as he is affectionately known to close friends and brethren) has served for ten years in the position, but has had health issues arise recently. Interestingly, he has been described as "Britain's wealthiest Buddhist.

Lord Northampton is, by his own admission, a practitioner of the satanic rituals of Aleister Crowley. Indeed, as he explained to an interviewer, Lord Northampton installed one of the world’s leading "scholars" of the Golden Dawn cult, R.A. Gilbert, as the editor-in-chief of Ars Quatuor Coronarum, the theoretical journal of the lodge. Crowley had written an account of his "spiritual progress" in magic and Satanism under the title The Temple of Solomon the King.

It appears lord NORTH hampton likes to dabble in different practises?http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/rebuild_temple.html

something strange indeed is going on.

http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/46/p09.php

This is a brilliant thread...I have read and I have followed some links......

I was going to post but could'nt get my thoughts in order, lol....

butthis is what I put in my "draft' file a couple weeks ago....lol.....

hi lightgiver......
Could jesus have been the son of (gods)cleopatra and julius ceasar, marrying his half sister (not usual) magd (elene), many here would like to propose he never lived at all....If the Eyptian Essu is Jesus , (the Essene gnostics ?)..Wealthy merchant and Emperor linaeage? Off to Cornwall with Joseph of Aramethia and to Tibet / India for safety and schooling? The tribe of Dan(ube) and 6kings (Canute the Cannonite)...I don't have the knowledge to know......
the clues are interesting, the lion of Jub has an ancient link to freemasonary.....so much histroy has been re-written but the key 3 obelisks , Vatican, the City and DC.

(this was'nt completed but I am posting as far as I got at the time,lol)
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[lizzy]

GS,have you left us all ?:( where is mike and the merry men ??? come on,its got quiet.

We cant be that bad :D:D

LOL :eek: :D...must be at the lodge, trying to figure out what the final countdown is?......Is it my bank balance?....lol:rolleyes::D

[lightgiver]

This is a brilliant thread...I have read and I have followed some links......

I was going to post but could'nt get my thoughts in order, lol....

butthis is what I put in my "draft' file a couple weeks ago....lol.....

hi lightgiver......
Could jesus have been the son of (gods)cleopatra and julius ceasar, marrying his half sister (not usual) magd (elene), many here would like to propose he never lived at all....If the Eyptian Essu is Jesus , (the Essene gnostics ?)..Wealthy merchant and Emperor linaeage? Off to Cornwall with Joseph of Aramethia and to Tibet / India for safety and schooling? The tribe of Dan(ube) and 6kings (Canute the Cannonite)...I don't have the knowledge to know......
the clues are interesting, the lion of Jub has an ancient link to freemasonary.....so much histroy has been re-written but the key 3 obelisks , Vatican, the City and DC.

(this was'nt completed but I am posting as far as I got at the time,lol)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWS7rKYnDUM

Yes the bank balance must be getting low ;):D They must be on overtime knocking on the poor persons door for charity,1 for you, 2 for them, and 10 for us,rubbing hands gleefully. Ha Ha.

http://www.truveo.com/Ancient-Egypt-freemasons-kept-the-secret-about/id/3219249040

http://www.nok-benin.co.uk/religion/occult.htm

A Very Sirius Election: Bringing it All Back Home
Angelic beings descend to Earth from Sirius in classic Masonic Tracing Board

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7421/siriusfinal09qq7.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=siriusfinal09qq7.jpg)

Ancient Egyptian historians will tell you quite soberly that for thousands of years the gods themselves walked the earth and ruled their land. When the gods left, the Throne of Horus was created. The so-called "Horus Kings," took the gods' place until the establishment of the First Dynasty.

http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2008/11/very-sirius-election-bringing-it-all.html

Cheers lizzy you and wisdom girl have brought me back to life.;):D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWS7rKYnDUM

[lightgiver]

You need to read this important ;):D

The Secret Societies have been present in the history of man for a very long time. It all started thousands of years ago with the "Brotherhood of the Snake", a secret society set up by an alien named Ea or Enki. This story is very carefully told in the Sumerian scriptures, which go back at least 6000 years. There it says man was created by draconian aliens, who came to this planet to exploit its resources - especially gold. But the work was heavy, so the alien race wanted someone else to do the hard work. Thus Ea, who was a brilliant scientist, created homo sapiens as a hybrid between a primitive earth life-form and the alien race,

Gordon B where is all our gold and that lot beneath the twin towers that mysteriously disappeared? HMM i wonder.


Secret Societies and the Brotherhood of the Snake

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7782011/Secret-Societies-and-the-Brotherhood-of-the-Snake

The Brotherhood of the Snake Teachings of Ancient Egypt:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7781827/The-Brotherhood-of-the-Snake-Teachings-of-Ancient-Egypt

That geezer berlosconi is a slimy snake and a few others i could mention.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_brotherhoodsnake.htm

and it is all linked to freemasonry and the illuminati,and the majority of Peeps are blissfully unaware.IE BRAINWASH.

Weishaupt said, "The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in its own name, but always covered by another name, and another occupation."

and you know a lot of Christians still believe the earth is only 6,000 years old,i wonder why ;) Palin and co comes to mind,maybe she needs to read this.:D

[stewart edwards]

When talking about Enki from Summerian accounts remember that Enki controlled Africa/Egypt, while his brother Enlil controlled Summeria. From what I can gather the brothers did not get on all the time like most brothers. Just a cautionary note to remember that different perspectives can cast different lights. Fabulous area of history to read up on though. With thought you can see ancient battles being played out in our world today.

(Sorry been away for a while, just catching up wondering what I have missed)

[lightgiver]

When talking about Enki from Summerian accounts remember that Enki controlled Africa/Egypt, while his brother Enlil controlled Summeria. From what I can gather the brothers did not get on all the time like most brothers. Just a cautionary note to remember that different perspectives can cast different lights. Fabulous area of history to read up on though. With thought you can see ancient battles being played out in our world today.

(Sorry been away for a while, just catching up wondering what I have missed)

Hi Stewart,

Yes it sounds about right to me,battles are definitely still played out in the elite circles,they love all the sacrifice ;) in one way or another.

[lightgiver]

After interacting with masons on this forum, i have come to the conclusion there are Good masons and really bad masons,what do others think?:)
It can be said of any organisation i suppose.,and the same can be said from all walks of life whether you belong to anything or not.

I feel some have just tarnished all masons with the same brush.,for their own devices.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8028/337stgeorgeandthedragonlo7.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=337stgeorgeandthedragonlo7.jpg)

[stewart edwards]

What did that poor dragon do to you?

It is interesting how dragons are feared in the West yet respected in the East. Personally I like the baby draggons/donkeys from Shrek 3.

[lightgiver]

What did that poor dragon do to you?

It is interesting how dragons are feared in the West yet respected in the East. Personally I like the baby draggons/donkeys from Shrek 3.

Nothing:) i just like the picture and it reminded me of the school i used to attend as a wee nipper :D
Nothing against dragons at all,it is just a metaphor of deeper meanings;)

I have not watched Shrek.