Poor man's Masons

[chris_com283]

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/Question579640.html
http://www.raobgc.org.uk/Past%20Grd%20Pres.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Antediluvian_Order_of_Buffaloes

I was invited to join. I was told about the charit work which seems interesting and what made me think about joining. Though it seems a bit too Masonic for me. Anyone here a member or have anything to say about it?

[lightgiver]

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/Question579640.html
http://www.raobgc.org.uk/Past%20Grd%20Pres.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Antediluvian_Order_of_Buffaloes

I was invited to join. I was told about the charit work which seems interesting and what made me think about joining. Though it seems a bit too Masonic for me. Anyone here a member or have anything to say about it?

If the world was fair,then there would be no need for charity.;)

We need to look at the root of poverty.

[entrangermercenary]

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/Question579640.html
http://www.raobgc.org.uk/Past%20Grd%20Pres.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Antediluvian_Order_of_Buffaloes

I was invited to join. I was told about the charit work which seems interesting and what made me think about joining. Though it seems a bit too Masonic for me. Anyone here a member or have anything to say about it?

Well my grandad was 1 ( hes dead now ) A coalminer from oop north, he from what I can gather was quite well placed in it. Loads of miners in them days in it. Lots of trips etc charity work. Was quite shocked at his funeral when 6 of them appeared and stood around his coffin and gave a little chant/mantra type thing.
As far as I know its ok but thats for you to research . Good luck with your choice :)

[kweli]

Well my grandad was 1 ( hes dead now ) A coalminer from oop north, he from what I can gather was quite well placed in it. Loads of miners in them days in it. Lots of trips etc charity work. Was quite shocked at his funeral when 6 of them appeared and stood around his coffin and gave a little chant/mantra type thing.
As far as I know its ok but thats for you to research . Good luck with your choice :)

Hmm interesting, first time i've heard of that. I'm from the North and was born and raised in a mining village, nearly all my male relatives were miners - none of em Masons though.

[grandsecretary]

My uncle was a member of The Royal Antedeluvian Order of the Buffaloes. It is Masonic, but separate, and not connected, although the regalia is very similar.

The UGLE regards it as quasi-Masonic. We make no comment.

From what I know, it is a very respectable organisation, which is low cost, fraternal, and very sociable. I do not believe that it has the religious content of the Freemasons.

That being said, my uncle always felt that it was not quite what he wanted, and it was he who first fired up my interest in becoming a Freemason.

He enjoyed it, and I am sure that you will too.

[lightgiver]

ANY Divine Being of Light will come to your aid when you call on them. However, as an enlightened being, I am sure you will attest that if a person lived on Earth, such as our dearly missed Saint (Mother) Teresa, SHE did not ask for statues to be made in her image, and she did not require certain prayers to be said to her. She is as much of a Saint as Paul, or any of the others. What Saint (Mother) Teresa probably would have requested is to take that money and feed the hungry children, clothe them and help to rebuild shattered lives and community's,and because of the greed of a few the many suffer.

http://www.borntoinspire.com/id40.html

Buddha Never Bowed Before a Statue, and Jesus Never Knelt Before a Cross.

[barney_rubble]

ANY Divine Being of Light will come to your aid when you call on them. However, as an enlightened being, I am sure you will attest that if a person lived on Earth, such as our dearly missed Saint (Mother) Teresa, SHE did not ask for statues to be made in her image, and she did not require certain prayers to be said to her. She is as much of a Saint as Paul, or any of the others. What Saint (Mother) Teresa probably would have requested is to take that money and feed the hungry children, clothe them and help to rebuild shattered lives and community's,and because of the greed of a few the many suffer.

http://www.borntoinspire.com/id40.html

Buddha Never Bowed Before a Statue, and Jesus Never Knelt Before a Cross.


I have to say this post is almost masonic.

[scatlond]

If the world was fair,then there would be no need for charity.;)

We need to look at the root of poverty.

I agree, it is ridiculous that Charities get most of their money from the common folk.

[lightgiver]

I have to say this post is almost masonic.

Is it? i agree with it,its a pity the rest of the world does not:(

http://www.borntoinspire.com/id40.html


The Catholic Church has millions of dollars. Why are there so many homeless people? Why are priests given the money for legal counsel when they sexually molested young boys? Why is that money not poured into helping the homeless children in this world?

Look at the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland that literally KILL each other – all in the name of Jesus Christ. Is THIS what Jesus taught? I would wager to say that the answer is absolutely not!

[grandsecretary]

Is it? i agree with it,its a pity the rest of the world does not:(

http://www.borntoinspire.com/id40.html


The Catholic Church has millions of dollars. Why are there so many homeless people? Why are priests given the money for legal counsel when they sexually molested young boys? Why is that money not poured into helping the homeless children in this world?

Look at the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland that literally KILL each other – all in the name of Jesus Christ. Is THIS what Jesus taught? I would wager to say that the answer is absolutely not!

Because we strive for perfection, but we never get there. Human nature gets in the way.

And we must be practical. If the Catholic Church gave away its millions, there would still be homelessness in the world, but no Catholic Church. It's a question of balance.

Priests are entitled to be defended, just like anyone else. Innocent until proven guilty is a principle that I firmly believe in.

Now, you don't believe in violence do you?

Well, this is where you and I part company. If and when found guilty, I would attach a butcher's hook at the end of a chain to the scrotum, and then I would haul them up to the ceiling of a convenient warehouse, and wait until they stopped wriggling. Unfortunately, the law does not agree with me.

Thank God, the Northern Ireland situation has been resolved. Good sense prevailed. Let's just hope that we see peace in Palestine soon.

[lightgiver]

Because we strive for perfection, but we never get there. Human nature gets in the way.

And we must be practical. If the Catholic Church gave away its millions, there would still be homelessness in the world, but no Catholic Church. It's a question of balance.

Priests are entitled to be defended, just like anyone else. Innocent until proven guilty is a principle that I firmly believe in.

Now, you don't believe in violence do you?

Well, this is where you and I part company. If and when found guilty, I would attach a butcher's hook at the end of a chain to the scrotum, and then I would haul them up to the ceiling of a convenient warehouse, and wait until they stopped wriggling. Unfortunately, the law does not agree with me.

Thank God, the Northern Ireland situation has been resolved. Good sense prevailed. Let's just hope that we see peace in Palestine soon.

Agreed,and like i always say everything is just a label.:)

The things are the way they are because of the very fact the way things ARE run,and you know it.

[grandsecretary]

Agreed,and like i always say everything is just a label.:)

The things are the way they are because of the very fact the way things ARE run,and you know it.

Well, that is interesting, and I agree, to an extent.

If you believe, that the human condition is due to a series of human decisions, then you must also believe that a series of human decisions can improve the human condition.

There is a problem here of course and that is, for instance, when the forces of nature come along and ruin everything. For example: Hurricane Katrina, of the floods in New Orleans. That is beyond human control.

What we must accept is that we need our politicians, whether we like it or not.

[abolitionist]

Because we strive for perfection, but we never get there. Human nature gets in the way.

And we must be practical. If the Catholic Church gave away its millions, there would still be homelessness in the world, but no Catholic Church. It's a question of balance.

Priests are entitled to be defended, just like anyone else. Innocent until proven guilty is a principle that I firmly believe in.

Now, you don't believe in violence do you?

Well, this is where you and I part company. If and when found guilty, I would attach a butcher's hook at the end of a chain to the scrotum, and then I would haul them up to the ceiling of a convenient warehouse, and wait until they stopped wriggling. Unfortunately, the law does not agree with me.

Thank God, the Northern Ireland situation has been resolved. Good sense prevailed. Let's just hope that we see peace in Palestine soon.

how can you strive for perfection without biotechnology?

it's just a good ol boys club for people to feel special and privileged

however, you're just tools for the real masons whose orders are not open to the public

[grandsecretary]

how can you strive for perfection without biotechnology?

it's just a good ol boys club for people to feel special and privileged

however, you're just tools for the real masons whose orders are not open to the public

I am not a tool of the Masons, I have been a Mason for nearly 30 years. Now what has biotechnology got to do with the price of eggs?

[abolitionist]

I am not a tool of the Masons, I have been a Mason for nearly 30 years. Now what has biotechnology got to do with the price of eggs?

because you have been associated for 30 years you are not a tool?

I'd say that proves just the opposite, why are you in need of their patronage? What weakness in yourself is placated?

don't worry, I won't get tired of refuting your nonsense

[grandsecretary]

because you have been associated for 30 years you are not a tool?

I'd say that proves just the opposite, why are you in need of their patronage? What weakness in yourself is placated?

don't worry, I won't get tired of refuting your nonsense

I am not "associated". We do not have a system of superiority or subordinacy in this Grand Lodge.

Look, if you want to know something about the Masons, then stop making silly statements from a position of complete, obvious and abject ignorance of the subject, and ask a few questions. That is a good way to start learning the basics, and I couldn't care less whether you refute for the next 100 years because anyone here who knows the time of day will see that you don't have the ammunition, only schoolboy allegations.

[abolitionist]

I am not "associated". We do not have a system of superiority or subordinacy in this Grand Lodge.

Look, if you want to know something about the Masons, then stop making silly statements from a position of complete, obvious and abject ignorance of the subject, and ask a few questions. That is a good way to start learning the basics, and I couldn't care less whether you refute for the next 100 years because anyone here who knows the time of day will see that you don't have the ammunition, only schoolboy allegations.

you haven't defended yourself as an authority on reliable knowledge about freemasonry, how could you?

no, you're here to protect the public image of the masonic organizations and were clueless about the secretive nature of Bilderberg and apparently believe that masonic organizations scientifically measure the universe to make it better under the guidance of god

[grandsecretary]

you haven't defended yourself as an authority on reliable knowledge about freemasonry, how could you?

no, you're here to protect the public image of the masonic organizations and were clueless about the secretive nature of Bilderberg and apparently believe that masonic organizations scientifically measure the universe to make it better under the guidance of god ...

I don't need to defend myself, to you, at all. Intelligent posters on this forum make their judgements and I am happy to go along with them.

And, I couldn't care less about "masonic organisations" other than The Grand Lodge of All England at York, except when their actions threaten to damage this Grand Lodge. That is what I am paid to do.

How do you know what I do or do not know about The Bilderberg Conference? You don't know - do you?

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Freemasonry is Mathematics. Mathematics is Freemasonry. Science is Mathematics. Mathematics is Science. Freemasonry is Science. Science is Freemasonry. Geometry is Mathematics. Mathematics is Geometry. Geometry is Science. Science is Geometry. Geometry is Freemasonry. Freemasonry is Geometry.

[abolitionist]

I don't need to defend myself, to you, at all. Intelligent posters on this forum make their judgements and I am happy to go along with them.

And, I couldn't care less about "masonic organisations" other than The Grand Lodge of All England at York, except when their actions threaten to damage this Grand Lodge. That is what I am paid to do.

How do you know what I do or do not know about The Bilderberg Conference? You don't know - do you?

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/grandsecretary/GodtheGeometer.jpg

Freemasonry is Mathematics. Mathematics is Freemasonry. Science is Mathematics. Mathematics is Science. Freemasonry is Science. Science is Freemasonry. Geometry is Mathematics. Mathematics is Geometry. Geometry is Science. Science is Geometry. Geometry is Freemasonry. Freemasonry is Geometry.

unfortunatley for you, being obstinate doesn't prove your position - that's why you have to defend your positions if you want to prove them

I do know that you are ignorant about the secretive nature of Bilderberg which is what we were debating specifically.

I also know that you are ignorant about freemasonry according to your own statements;

"freemasonry is mathematics" - which is ridiculous

certainly many freemasons could be mathematicians or use math (abstract systems of measurement based upon a priori knowledge) - but saying that freemasonry is mathematics ignores the social hierarchy and secrecy, not to mention the well documented history of political influence

the actions and beliefs of the masonic organizations are hardly mathematical

[grandsecretary]

I do know that you are ignorant about the secretive nature of Bilderberg which is what we were debating specifically.

I also know that you are ignorant about freemasonry according to your own statements;

"freemasonry is mathematics" - which is ridiculous

the actions and beliefs of the masonic organizations are hardly mathematical

"freemasonry is mathematics" - which is ridiculous.

Well, perhaps you had better tell us what Freemasonry is then. Don't forget to tell us what your expertise is on this subject at the same time.

saying that freemasonry is mathematics ignores the social hierarchy and secrecy, not to mention the well documented history of political influence:

Really? I don't believe it does.

"I do know that you are ignorant about the secretive nature of Bilderberg which is what we were debating specifically."

Oh? So you have attended the Bilderberg conference have you? Four of my former colleagues certainly have. Two of them whilst I was working with them. I don't know everything because it is a side issue for me. It is not masonic, never has been, and never will be. It is an International Conference of highly intelligent, influential, and distinguished people, and the press, mainly the financial and political press.

[disconnex]

What we must accept is that we need our politicians, whether we like it or not.

We do, however, we need them to represent us, the public. If they start deciding with their pockets than they are doing more harm than good.

[disconnex]

[I]It is an International Conference of highly intelligent, influential, and distinguished people, and the press, mainly the financial and political press.

They invited the press along to show that nothing was going on out of the ordinary. The only problem is that the press that attends is owned by these people. So there is argument for what truth is put out.

[grandsecretary]

We do, however, we need them to represent us, the public. If they start deciding with their pockets than they are doing more harm than good.

I agree, and that is exactly what President Obama has just said in his address. We must all wish him well.

[grandsecretary]

They invited the press along to show that nothing was going on out of the ordinary. The only problem is that the press that attends is owned by these people. So there is argument for what truth is put out.

Oh, THEY trust the press. I wish them luck, they will need it. That was not what I advised when I was in the middle of things, I can assure you.