so we are awake thats the first step what do we do now?

[sean~infinte]

??? what do we do together as a nation/humans/people do to prevent those imposing there rules and laws onto us?
so basicaly what can we do?:confused:
every opinion is valued as the next1:)

[Navieko]

Nothing. Just survive untill 2012, and then we can begin new... :eek:

[sean~infinte]

and how do we survive?
especialy with such threats as microchiping which could prevent a very different outcome of 2012 and onwards

clearly some form of mass awakening is needed right?
maybe coincidences or events will take place to make that happen due to the fact this world is a mirror image of what we are like on the inside
could this be all that we have to do then stay positive? and events and coicidences will stop the microchip or other orwellien prophecies?

[sweet cheeks]

??? what do we do together as a nation/humans/people do to prevent those imposing there rules and laws onto us?
so basicaly what can we do?:confused:
every opinion is valued as the next1:)

Well, first and foremost we MUST inform, but I have found that indoctrination and utter stupidity runs high amongst the "people" of the world.

But I do try, and the internet has made a great dent into the NWO vehicle.

Now we have to finish the demolition! ;)

[john white]

Becoming awake is only the start of the journey: staying awake comes next: and for me, that means becoming the change one wishes to see in others: that means continuing the journey of self discovery, to understand ones own psyche and heal the inner rifts: to challenge oneself to become the best human one can be.

There is little chance of progress if one decries intolerance but is intolerant: if one detests emotional slavery but emotionally enslaves: or if one opposes elitism whilst acting elitist. As the inner world changes, so does what we hold in place in the outer one: and when we then reach out our energies to help the outer world, our qualities and behaviours give us the best chance to succeed

[sweet cheeks]

Becoming awake is only the start of the journey: staying awake comes next: and for me, that means becoming the change one wishes to see in others: that means continuing the journey of self discovery, to understand ones own psyche and heal the inner rifts: to challenge oneself to become the best human one can be.

There is little chance of progress if one decries intolerance but is intolerant: if one detests emotional slavery but emotionally enslaves: or if one opposes elitism whilst acting elitist. As the inner world changes, so does what we hold in place in the outer one: and when we then reach out our energies to help the outer world, our qualities and behaviours give us the best chance to succeed

Ghandi. :)

[funky rusty sherrif star]

far from awake my profrane brothers and sisters

far far from it ;)

[john white]

far from awake my profrane brothers and sisters

far far from it ;)


Yet far from asleep: life's full of paradox

[john white]

Ghandi. :)

He he. No more than we all are

[richmick]

I think we need miracles. We need people who have reached beyond the veil and can do things that in todays society, would be concidered miracles. Although i do not know, for sure, weather jesus christ existed or not, one thing i do take from the story of christ, as warrented now, are 'his' miracles. Without them, i highly doubt we would have a catholic religion today. It was the miracles he, supposedly, performed that convinced people to listen.

If i walk up to people in the street today and start talking about the elite, the freemasons, the satanists and child sacrifices, it is beyond their comprehension, they laugh and scoff and basically, tell me to sod off, i'm a weirdo. Now if i walked up to a sick person and cured them, that would be something else. People need proof, and although alex jones, icke and others supply the proof in a 5 sense reality format, mainly second hand accounts and good documentation, they are nothing when up against the propaganda machine of the elite. They own the media, the tabloids, the bulk of information to the masses is supplied through the never resting,elite propaganda machine.

If we know this is a dreamworld, we need to be able to manipulate it, through our thoughts, through our belief in ourselves. We need to be able to create miracles, that will wow the masses. Otherwise i feel, THEY will probably win. But i'm a believer, so let's stay positive.;)

[roxanna]

true

[thoth]

we just have to remember.

[atlantis soul]

i think we need to sit back and pray for those not ready, the pope and the goverments.

[thoth]

Denounce abuses of materialism and meditate. This will allow us to become higher awareness. If we make compassion our base to society, then love, peace and harmony will become a by product. We won't have to try to make it happen, it will!

[sean~infinte]

ahhh but good old consensus reality of what the masses believe would prevent such miracles right?

unless messiahs or prophets are real

so does this change start with changing the consensus of the masses?
or do we wait for events coincidences to take place for a rebelion or change of the people?
should we all try and awaken our fellow brothers and sisters?

[richmick]

ahhh but good old consensus reality of what the masses believe would prevent such miracles right?

unless messiahs or prophets are real

so does this change start with changing the consensus of the masses?
or do we wait for events coincidences to take place for a rebelion or change of the people?
should we all try and awaken our fellow brothers and sisters?

I disagree with this consensus reality theory, that we need the masses to change before we can create miracles.
If you look at the tibetan monks for example. They can sleep on the side of a mountain, in freezing conditions, conditions that would kill me after 5 to 10 minutes, concidering they are only wearing a loin cloth for cover. They spend the night on the side of that mountain and in the morning, they brush of the snow from their bare shoulders and backs and go back down the mountain. Did these guys need the approval of the masses to perform said MIRACLE. No they did not.
If we are going to be tied down, waiting for everyone else to awaken, then i think we are in trouble. If we are infinite possibility, then i'm sorry, i'm not chained down to the dictacts of the matrix laws and consensus reality, once i understand on many levels, that the matrix is merely illusion, it has no power, other than the power i give it, if i choice to believe in it's 'laws'. Hope that makes sense.

What about the firewalkers, or those who can pierce their bodies with swords, not shedding any blood. Did they wait for the concensus reality theory to kick in, for mass approval that decided miracles are possible, to be able to perform them? no they did not.

We are the answers to all our questions. What we believe to be true, will be so. I think we need to think/feel way outside the boundaries now. We need to see ourselves as the miracles. We are the law, to ourselves. If we believe, we take another step further towards breaking the mind of it's indoctrinated belief system. Once people start hearing of miracles, whispers of miracles, experiencing miracles, the matrix collapses. Then we are free.

[inever1]

what we can do is infinite...your own creativity is what i feel determines your path..look into yourself and find out what it is that drives you...look to your apparent outter world and whatever you want to exist in that world ....you must be...for the greatest example you can offer to your world ...is your example...when that confidence is restored you will begin to feel that you are all this world and beyond...its limits will cease to exist and you can find whatever voyage it is that you want to take....for there is no one way to save a world.....and understanding that this world is illusion lets you know that the only thing that can end world corruption is by seeing past it and letting it cease to so harshly affect your reality...embrace it...and understand the fear...for it is beautiful and the experience that we are all having is extravagant and unique...and soooo exciting....see it....be it...KNOW IT ;)

[richmick]

what we can do is infinite...your own creativity is what i feel determines your path..look into yourself and find out what it is that drives you...look to your apparent outter world and whatever you want to exist in that world ....you must be...for the greatest example you can offer to your world ...is your example...when that confidence is restored you will begin to feel that you are all this world and beyond...its limits will cease to exist and you can find whatever voyage it is that you want to take....for there is no one way to save a world.....and understanding that this world is illusion lets you know that the only thing that can end world corruption is by seeing past it and letting it cease to so harshly affect your reality...embrace it...and understand the fear...for it is beautiful and the experience that we are all having is extravagant and unique...and soooo exciting....see it....be it...KNOW IT ;)

Agreed..namaste:)

[lilloz]

what we can do is infinite...your own creativity is what i feel determines your path..look into yourself and find out what it is that drives you...look to your apparent outter world and whatever you want to exist in that world ....you must be...for the greatest example you can offer to your world ...is your example...when that confidence is restored you will begin to feel that you are all this world and beyond...its limits will cease to exist and you can find whatever voyage it is that you want to take....for there is no one way to save a world.....and understanding that this world is illusion lets you know that the only thing that can end world corruption is by seeing past it and letting it cease to so harshly affect your reality...embrace it...and understand the fear...for it is beautiful and the experience that we are all having is extravagant and unique...and soooo exciting....see it....be it...KNOW IT ;)

wonderfull words :)

[limelady]

Just keep plugging away folks. There is a tendency for those of us who are waking up, to gravitate together in forum groups such as this, and this is only natural as very often we feel like outsiders 'out there' because of what we now know.

But when it comes to spreading the word to others in the hope we can wake a few others, one of the best ways is to start your own blog and write some articles. You can then send your blog link to friends, family and all sorts of other people.....starting with those in your address book. Even people who are not normally interested in conspiracies or 'the truth movement' will read an article written by somebody they know.....and hopefully they'll learn something they didn't know before. Don't worry about what people may think of you......time is too short to have such ego issues....just do it, and whatever people think of you (good, bad or otherwise) is their problem, not yours. But make sure your articles are credible and as well researched as they can be, then link to source material wherever possible.

I'm new to blogging, but I'm getting the hang of it, and hopefully I'll get better. We need to fill the internet search engines with our blog articles so THEY are the first links that come up whenever anybody does a search for anything. We need to aim for TOTAL saturation!!!

Lime :)

[sean~infinte]

very interesting and cool ideas/opinion and such guys :)

every problem has a solution after all

and to clear up this hole consensus reality thing there are people who can disconnect from the consensus or whatever you may call it acording to there belief systems enabling to do such, how should we say -"miracles" that wouldnt be considered the norm

maybe there is no consensus to disconnect from but the illusion there is one

and i agree it does start with I as inever1 told us and indeed we need to get out of that condition prison of "be humble" or suit others needs and thus building up a person who fears other peoples opinion of themselves and this conditioning continues with every generation that voice that says "what will my mom think of me if i say we are run by secret societies" as david icke says.

but surely we need to do somthing together? such as help other people get out of that tiny box

or will healing of self and acknowledgy the illusion will break down the barriers without external actions

or maybe both?

[alchemist2012]

"I know most of you don't beliave in GOD , That's the reason you know NOT what to do when you dig into truths as for your hope is in this world witch you have no control over and don't even remember this hidden dictatorship you insist in calling (democracy) but behold I have good news.

The Holy Spirit just clarifyed this to me! I used to be stressed in trying to know what I should do in order to make this all work, but in truth, All civilization that bases on anything other then love walks into selfishness and its own destruction. With comon sense you know we don't have enouth individuals for a world based on love. So this world is a filter.
To know what to do:

* Getting out of The tiny box of what others will think is the first step!
* Second, BE FREE from everything.! " Knows that everything you 've been taught might not be truth". Including: GLOBAL WARMMING, CARBON 14 DATING TECHNICS, and most of what they call "SCIENCE" ( 1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.) Science is a doctrination sistem.
* Everything is written to happen, it will happen, it must happen, NOONE WILL CHANGE OR STOP the slavery and control of humanity. KNOWS that it will happen no matter what! As for who is doing it is not man therefor NO man will stop it. Who is doing it is using man as for they have no bodys, they can't interact in the world matter. however they do manipula electrical signal, that's how they send messages into your brain.
* Knows that the kingdom of LOVE is yet to come. This is a filter if you can find God here, you won't rebel against God There.

All we have to do is, WAit the return of the messiah JESUS CHRIST And love one another. WAKE AS MANY AS YOU CAN as david Icke has been doing. AND STUDY THE scriptures as for now is the time when all that is in the dark, will come to light, for those with eyes to see.

I have never read any book in my intire life, All I know is throgh the holy spirit. God creater of heaven and earth bless you all. I'
m sorry my spell problem I hope at leat the message I could pass.

[howlingmad]

I think you may underestimate most of the people on this forum. You said "I know most of you don't believe in God". I think what they don't believe in (as myself) is the God that is represented in the Tanakh (Old Testament) as the ultimate source of the energy of the universe. There, you have a "deity" that exhibits all the faults of humanity: anger, jealosy, hate, murder, regret, etc.

You say you have never read any book in your entire life. You should read the collection of writings known as the Bible to get a proper perspective on the way humans have been manipulated for millenium by the use of religion. It's all in there, you just have to know how to read it. The Bible is not an object to be worshipped, as most christians do today. You wrote that "all we have to do is wait for the return of the messiah Jesus Christ." in my opinion, if there is a "return" of Christ, it would be more in the form of a mass awakening to the energy of Love, the only light that will drive out the darkness of Fear. The forces of evil are organized and work hard every day to keep humans in a state of fear, perhaps to ready humanity for another 26,000-year cycle of slavery.

It's been postulated (by people like Gregg Braden) that when the pole-shift completes in 2012 (perhaps), there will be a sort of mass amnesia--history will be erased, so to speak. If the Illuminati have managed to have most of humanity at each others throats when this occurs, then the fate of the next cycle will be sealed. If we can awaken enough humans to the power of love (God--see 1John 4:6-8), we can bring an end to this vicious cycle. This ain't going to happen by waiting.

Also, don't assume that the only place to find spiritual truth is in the Bible. Far from it. Look to the many ancient books (Tao te Ching, Bhagavad Gita, the Dhammapada, etc.) for more, but be careful to watch for the traps, the traps that virtually all major religions have built-in. Don't forget that the Big Three (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) are derived from the same sources.

[alchemist2012]

Yeah, I take the bible because those anciants books and ancient tablets is full of lies mixed with scientifics knowledge in order to make them all bealivable! So the bible clarify them all. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Luk 14:11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. peice and love .

[daylenmichael]

This is my first post here. The name of this overall thread is "What we can do." So I suppose I will give my opinion on what it is exactly that we can do, or what it is we need to do.

Don't take this the wrong way. Outwardly I don't believe there is anything we can do. It isn't real. Let me ask you this; Do the actions you take in your dreams at night effect the world you wake up to? No.

Inwardly is an entirely different answer. Nothing will suffice except for the Enlightenment of every human mind on the face of the planet. But be excited because that is the process which we are all going through. I don't know who the darkest mind on the planet is. It really doesnt matter. All that matters is that when you turn on a light in a darkened room the darkness disappears without a trace of its existence to be found.

How do you go about Enlightening everyone else? Enlighten yourself. Truth is, we are all already Enlightened, we just need to remember it.

So, again, what can we do? Keep this One phrase in the forefront of your mind when dealing with every single aspect of your daily existence.

"We Are All One."

Transcendence of the illusion is key. Enter your inner Light and remember who you really are. It really is as simple as that. After that you will see that you are free to do anything you want, be it beneficent or malevolent.

:o Daylen Michael :o

[exmicrochipmafia]

Imagine the utter chaos if everybody refused to vote in the next election, be it municipal, provincial/territorial, or federal. You've all heard people say, 'why vote, they all do the same thing anyway.' Duh. Of course they do.
I say we start a global campaign to convince people not to vote. It may be your democratic duty to vote, but it's also your democratic RIGHT to not vote. Get organized and hit the media with campaigns not to vote. We don't need government anyway. I personally don't need some 'body' to rule over me and tell me what's right and what's wrong. Live and let live is my motto.
Think you're free? Try not paying your taxes, income or property. Eventually you'll lose all your property and end up in prison.
Who the hell gave these people dominion over the earth anyway? We're all part of nature, part of the earth, not owners and custodians. Live where you want to live, go where you want to go, and socialize with whomever you want to.
First step. Topple governments the passive way. Don't vote them in. Aaaah, imagine the pandemonium in the illuminati and beyond if an entire nation broke ranks and failed to vote in ANY of their chosen ones. It boggles the mind.

[john white]

This is my first post here. The name of this overall thread is "What we can do." So I suppose I will give my opinion on what it is exactly that we can do, or what it is we need to do.

Don't take this the wrong way. Outwardly I don't believe there is anything we can do. It isn't real. Let me ask you this; Do the actions you take in your dreams at night effect the world you wake up to? No.

Inwardly is an entirely different answer. Nothing will suffice except for the Enlightenment of every human mind on the face of the planet. But be excited because that is the process which we are all going through. I don't know who the darkest mind on the planet is. It really doesnt matter. All that matters is that when you turn on a light in a darkened room the darkness disappears without a trace of its existence to be found.

How do you go about Enlightening everyone else? Enlighten yourself. Truth is, we are all already Enlightened, we just need to remember it.

So, again, what can we do? Keep this One phrase in the forefront of your mind when dealing with every single aspect of your daily existence.

"We Are All One."

Transcendence of the illusion is key. Enter your inner Light and remember who you really are. It really is as simple as that. After that you will see that you are free to do anything you want, be it beneficent or malevolent.

:o Daylen Michael :o

Nice Post!

[trinity1]

far from awake my profrane brothers and sisters

far far from it ;)

Word

[sean~infinte]

hey daylen welcome to the forum

indeed we all have to change our inner self for a much better reflection of the illusion

another question which could be asked or pondered is if by simple rule of cause and effect or ying yang and every action has an equal and opposite reaction then surely we are in for slighty dark times ahead to experience the light or paradise you could say these dark times or watever u can call them are a process or maybe even chalenge as creating realities always put fourth chalenges

what im trying to get at is is there going to be a period of real downess depression? before the light in the lead up to 2012 or is it a case of that it is only gona be like that if we expect real darkness to follow thus thers no need for it and itl be a smooth sail into paradise or total freedom of creation?

[howlingmad]

There has been a lot of speculation regarding the year 2012. I think few would disagree that something is coming to a head. I may not have all my facts, but it looks like we (our little corner of the galaxy) are completing a cycle of 26,000 years, at the same time we are seeing the death knell of the Piscean age and the birth pangs of the Aquarian age. As far as the Piscean age goes, good riddance, marked by a preponderance of self-delusion and nebulous thinking (the influence of Neptune) but I'm not sure what the Aquarian age portends. Is there an astrologer in the house? I'm a bit rusty.
The ruling planet of Aquarius is Uranus; it's influence is described as highly dynamic (prone to sudden change), advanced technology, freedom of individual choice, etc.

In order to enter the new age (not that meaning) it would seem that we must shed all influences of the Piscean age, i.e., belief in mysticism, pagan ritual, belief that Jesus is coming back (he's dead, Jim--if he ever existed at all), generally the entire system of myths that have dominated the last 2000+ years.

[daylenmichael]

what im trying to get at is is there going to be a period of real downess depression? before the light in the lead up to 2012 or is it a case of that it is only gona be like that if we expect real darkness to follow thus thers no need for it and itl be a smooth sail into paradise or total freedom of creation?

I can not forsee the future. I am as anxious as anyone to see what happens in the coming years up to 2012. I have thought about it quite a bit and there is a couple of directions humanity could go in. On one hand there is the idea of complete utopian freedom in which we have no "higher" authority telling us what to do beyond each persons ability to practice what I call "effective self-governance." The idea is that we will have complete freedom to commit any action we feel but the universal truth of Oneness and Love will be there to guide us in our decisions. On the other end of the spectrum you have one group who has complete dominion over the planet through electronic surveillance. Those are the responses that come to mind if we as a human race do actually stay in these meat-puppet bodies we inhabit. If it is the case that we remain physical then I would imagine that it will be somewhere in between those two ideals.

I personally hope that we, as a race, become transcendent. I hope we shed our mortal bodies and become conscious Light. Indeed that is our true form as far as I have seen and to be honest, these bodies are uncomfortable compared to being a ray of Light. It is very amazing what one sees when they achieve enlightenment. I don't remember what preconceptions I had before I did but when it happened all I saw was whiteness...In fact that is what I called it when I was there. The physical world was wiped away and all that was left was infinite whiteness. It is hard for me to even justify calling it Light because the idea most people have of light is that the beam must come to rest on a solid object to reveal its being. When you are in the Enlightened state of mind there is just white...everywhere, and nothing else. My point being; We all chose to leave this divine state of mind at one point to better understand what it was exactly that we were leaving. So, we come here. We become entrenched in the ideas of separation only to forget about the "Whiteness" at which point we believe this is the real world, when it is not. But the Truth being what it is would not let us be stuck for long as it appears to me that humanity is on a fast track to mass Enlightenment. At which point I question the need for physicality at all. Why might I ask, if this world is a dream that we are all in the process of waking from, would we need to hold onto it at all? In my head all I see at that point is everyone in fantasical rainbow Light pattern bodies (our open chakras) consciously understanding their Oneness and their separation all at the same time. If this is the case then I feel like world catastrophy is what will happen on the run up to 2012. When you think about it, it is simply a liberation to have your physical being destroyed. Those of us that are ready to remain in their natural Light body will do so, those who are not will have the opportunity of being born into yet another physical body, and the cycle continues.

I really hope that is what happens. I am tired of having to feed myself illusory food and drink illusory water to maintain my so-called "self." But then again I am always the person at funerals saying that I am jealous of the person lying in the box. :)

Right now who really knows though? Not I, and that is for sure. I will never stand by anything I say except for these four words...We Are All One.

:cool: Daylen Michael :cool:

[alchemist2012]

2012= beggining of a clear humanity slavery! for 15 years clear dictatorship of the globe from north america. That's when things is going to get really really bad! really high technology to control you and also give you pleasures without the need of anything else or anyone. They will be able to change the population's mood through wireless transmission of some kind of tiny device everyone must use. if not; you will be considered terrorist. That together with "Artificial falsely called NATURAL DISASTERS" through man playing with the forces that balance the earth.earth will become uncapable of backing up man's agression. There is nothing good to come from this world folks! I'm sorry about that. Our only hope is in Jesus christ who will come to destroy the world and those who didn't find him.

I wouldn't be so excited about that date. I would however prepear for what is comming to happen.

WE ARE INLIGHTED from 2000 years ago! " "I am the light of the word, he who follows me, shall not walk in darkness but have the light of life" Jesus Christ John 8:12

[geospirit]

That's just pure fear mongering Alchemist2012, sorry, not going to happen!
Daylen is right, something is up, something big and good,
I am not so sure that we will transcend our bodies, I think we will see and participate in a new world, I'm not so sure we are quite there yet as a whole to do that, or if that is the destination/purpose. I think we will still be in our bodies but in a whole new way.
My son sees the 5th dimensional grid, I think will all see it one day too!
I agree that those who are in resistance to the 'Shift of the Ages' as Gregg Braden (http://www.greggbraden.com/) calls it are going to have the worst time of it, I think there may be those who are left behind and will not be able to fully participate in the next cycle, only time will really tell us.
The earth is restructuring herself, atomically, electromagnetically, the internal heartbeat (the Schumann Resonance (http://www.rfsafe.com/research/rf_radiation/what_is_rf/schumann_resonance.htm)) has increased from a steady 7.8 Mhz up towards 13 Mhz, this means that what we used to do in 24 hours we now do in 16. Think 'Fibonacci series'.
The Schumann Resonance is what the military has been using to base their weapons on... things started to change, according to Braden (a former geologist) at the end of 1986, beginning 1987. Do any of you know what the big cosmicalogical event that happened at that time?
I was not aware of 'the event' as it happened but upon reflection of where I 'was' in my life it did seem to be a rather auspicious time in my life. I've been plagued by depression my whole life, I had just gone through a really hard breakup and yet in the first part of 1987 I felt great! Alive! That what had gone on had now past and that somehow things would be different, even if on the outside things hadn't really changed.
This event that is to have happened was called the Harmonic Convergence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, we as human spirits said NO to tyranny and Yes to Love & Light, the earth did not give up on us, we did not perish in 2000/2001 with the time lined 'Armageddon' -
We responded with Compassion not fear, didn't we?
The dark have had their plan in place for a long time but it's not going to win in the end, for we are not alone, the rules of the game are changing and that they have no control over!
It is said that our DNA has been upgraded, the stage is set, this last quarter of the 'in-between' time is upon us.
So, in terms of now we are awake, what do we do?
Being awake is on the road to enlightenment, knowledge is power, discernment is paramount, empowerment comes from within and when we realize that god is within and loving, not without and vengeful, then we will have the 'dawn in our eyes' and then it's really easy to help others wake up to what we truly are:
Spirits having a physical experience!
We are all Soul Sparks of the Infinite Creation, nothing less, we need to remember that.
The more of us who remember this the more the more others will too.

In Love & Light,
I AM

[alchemist2012]

Then, just wait for your deseptions.

[sean~infinte]

and why should 2012 be negative what is your reason its not just jesus said it right?

maybe it is i dunno

im not saying ur wrong alchemist but whats the reason for saying 2012 is a negative event?

[21_12_2012]

and why should 2012 be negative what is your reason its not just jesus said it right?

maybe it is i dunno

im not saying ur wrong alchemist but whats the reason for saying 2012 is a negative event?

I would like to know that as well !

[misscpb]

If thoughts somehow create reality like some people have written, then maybe if we all focus on peace and love each day for ourselves, loved ones, others and the planet. That would be a start.

I remember reading something on the internet a while back and it was a spiritual lady stating that when war protestors have the signs out saying things like "No more war" "Stop the killing", she said this would have the effect of WAR & KILLING and that the signs should be something like "World Peace" "Peace & Love" etc.

[kaiser]

Umm, nice idea about not voting. I wonder what would actualy happen if this occured? I bet theres a policy or legislation to allow the governemt at a time like this to remain in power. And, I bet then that the NWO would go into puberty so to speak (since its allready been born).

Just a thought....

Misscpb it think it goes somthing like this....

Thoughts create reality because the human mind can think of anything, therefore you can say the mind is infinite. Whatever your thinking will manifest itself in your daily actions, so if you think peace and love as you walk down the street then you wont be kicking the homeless were its painfull, more like helping them to thier feet for a cuppa. This is also why the signs need to stay posotively worded, when you put negative words like war and killing on display then these words can turn into thought in the infinite mind and will probably manifest as negative actions wether your aware of it or not. May sound a bit wakky, but this is what advertising agencys do all the time to sell there wares. It works.

[alchemist2012]

Its all professies from the bible. And knowledge from inside each person who has the holy Spirit :) John 16:13 "But when he , the spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. "
To make you guys think there is a great change for good, is a plan for evil because he has much things to inplement at that time and he wants you guys to think there is good to come and wait anxious because when things happen at that time, sinse you already put in your mind that it is positive, you will take it as positive even thought its negative . There are times that whatever it is: its in your mind. To be spiritual is to know that something great is waitting for you. Something not of this world. Its that simple! Not that you need to have out of body experience or consult evil trhough astrology or psychics etc. According to bibble, keep away from those. peace and love.

[purple is a fruit]

2012= beggining of a clear humanity slavery! for 15 years clear dictatorship of the globe from north america. That's when things is going to get really really bad! really high technology to control you and also give you pleasures without the need of anything else or anyone. They will be able to change the population's mood through wireless transmission of some kind of tiny device everyone must use. if not; you will be considered terrorist. That together with "Artificial falsely called NATURAL DISASTERS" through man playing with the forces that balance the earth.earth will become uncapable of backing up man's agression. There is nothing good to come from this world folks! I'm sorry about that. Our only hope is in Jesus christ who will come to destroy the world and those who didn't find him.

I wouldn't be so excited about that date. I would however prepear for what is comming to happen.

WE ARE INLIGHTED from 2000 years ago! " "I am the light of the word, he who follows me, shall not walk in darkness but have the light of life" Jesus Christ John 8:12

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

there are five parts to this, I would be interested on hearing you take

[21_12_2012]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9t9s94-J3Y

there are five parts to this, I would be interested on hearing you take

Well said...and a great video to show those 'unfortunate' people who live their lives around religion.

[equinox]

The way forward is to work on ourselves,the more unconditional love we bring
into this world, the harder it is for those who work from a fear based agenda.
DNA activation is a good way, i have found, although not cheap.
Those interested check out www.drsangeetasahi.com, it's all about freeing ourselves, without any doctrine or dogma, just technique.Those who are involved in the agenda need all the love they can get to help them evolve
from the need to control others.I now much more effectively download
unconditional love(not white light though!) into people & places involved in all this.
I read 'The Biggest Secret' 5 years ago, only told one friend, and my brother who said it was complete fantasy' recently i read it again, told a couple of more people who were alot more open minded than i expected.
I do think though that the bit by bit approach is the best way generally, unless intuition says otherwise.The thing about Davids books, is that theres so much info in them , it's hard to explain it really, you just have to say read the books, i have ordered the latest DVD, so i'll be able to loan it out.
Love and Peace to you all, may the Source be with you!

[thoth]

Becoming awake is only the start of the journey: staying awake comes next: and for me, that means becoming the change one wishes to see in others: that means continuing the journey of self discovery, to understand ones own psyche and heal the inner rifts: to challenge oneself to become the best human one can be.

There is little chance of progress if one decries intolerance but is intolerant: if one detests emotional slavery but emotionally enslaves: or if one opposes elitism whilst acting elitist. As the inner world changes, so does what we hold in place in the outer one: and when we then reach out our energies to help the outer world, our qualities and behaviours give us the best chance to succeed

Just wanted 2 say, I love your avatar!

[alchemist2012]

I wached almost all of those stupid video and I say: JESUS iS MY SAVIOR and the only who offer a salvation plan. I also fund Michael Tsasion videos and watched over 3 hours of videos. Because they did have some good info but at the end, those with knowlege of God, truth becomes clarifyed.
Anyway, I'm not here to prove nobody wrong. just spreading truth and humanity hoppe. Good bye.

[sean~infinte]

question did u make up your mind before watching thos videos or go in it with an open mind?

if u went in with an open mind then im glad u came out with ur opinion
if u didnt well thats ur choice

[howlingmad]

Someone else posted the {link} Googlevideo version of this (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6410112404402873027&q=the+naked+truth), so it's one take and not 5 parts. I found it fascinating and right in line with what Icke talks about. Alchemist2012 either hasn't read any of David's books, or sees this forum as a place to "save lost souls". I don't get it.

I brought up the (evil) astrological aspect of 2012 a few posts back. Astrology dates back to the Sumerian culture, probably from the Annunaki. Don't forget that there seems to be at least two conflicting cultures involved in the Sumerian stories, this great "battle in heaven" mentioned in virtually all of the world's ancient scriptures.

I studied astrology in my youth and found it to be amazingly accurate (as accurate as any interpretive study can get, I suppose), but also considered the willingness of others to agree with a given interpretation. It's funny that alchemist2012 declares astrology to be evil ('cause the Bible tells me so), but completely misses the evil in the Bible.

I don't want to go on about astrology, but there is a predicted cosmic event that will occur in ~2012, though no precise dates have been given, i.e., December 21st, 2012 (right, I'm not British) and that is an alignment of our solar system, or more precisely the Earth and Sun with the Galactic Equator, in other words a "solar eclipse" of the Galactic Center. In terms of astrology, a mighty powerful conjunction, but I have no idea what it could mean. See this for in-depth info regarding this astronomical event:
http://alignment2012.com/whatisGA.htm

One more for alchemist2012: read 1 Samuel 15:35. Read the whole story so it's not taken out of context; but that passage says,"...and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel." You have to ask yourself what kind of "God" would have regret and repent of anything "He" did. Certainly not an omniscient god. This passage proves that God makes mistakes. I don't mean that in a literal sense. The "God" represented here is a concensus creation by those that believe in "Him". Since it is a creation of humans, this god has human characteristics, including human faults: anger, vengefulness, genocide (directly and by proxy), jealosy, regret, etc. Can this really be regarded as the ultimate source of all the energy of the universe?

Don't worship the Bible, dude.

[misscpb]

Umm, nice idea about not voting. I wonder what would actualy happen if this occured? I bet theres a policy or legislation to allow the governemt at a time like this to remain in power. And, I bet then that the NWO would go into puberty so to speak (since its allready been born).

Just a thought....

Misscpb it think it goes somthing like this....

Thoughts create reality because the human mind can think of anything, therefore you can say the mind is infinite. Whatever your thinking will manifest itself in your daily actions, so if you think peace and love as you walk down the street then you wont be kicking the homeless were its painfull, more like helping them to thier feet for a cuppa. This is also why the signs need to stay posotively worded, when you put negative words like war and killing on display then these words can turn into thought in the infinite mind and will probably manifest as negative actions wether your aware of it or not. May sound a bit wakky, but this is what advertising agencys do all the time to sell there wares. It works.

Thank you, I agree very much with that

[howlingmad]

That thoughts create reality has been explored and proven. Just one example is the studies performed by {link} Masaru Emoto (http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/consciouswater.html). Notice that it's not simply the words but the intent that makes the difference, even words that evoke a type of emotion (the words "Adolph Hitler" taped to a bottle of water exhibited negative effects).

An exercise that would yield positive results would be to state aloud something like "Every day, an exponential number of people are realizing their own inner strength and are responding to and emoting love instead of fear." Pick your own, but the important part is that it is said aloud and with feeling. It's not the words, but the energy of the emotion that creates the wave. Also, it must be said as a statement of fact, not wishing, i.e., "I hope that soon we will overcome...blah, blah."

For me, a way to visualize the impact that one person doing even this simple thing is through understanding Chaos theory (fractals, non-linear dynamics, "the Butterfly Effect", etc.) and laser holograms. If you've read Michael Talbot's Holographic Universe you'll understand that the image of a hologram is stored on the film non-locally, meaning that the whole of the hologram is represented in every part of the film. Cutting a hologram in half, quarters, eighths, etc. will still yield the entire image, just with lower and lower resolution.

But we exist in an active hologram, where every action we make becomes represented in the whole, to one degree or another, much like the Butterfly Effect, where the gentle flapping of the butterfly's wings may be enough energy in an extremely dynamic system to set the system off in another direction (the analogy is usually applied to the weather).

Just by all of us being here, resonating our thoughts in a somewhat uniform way, is creating a positive wave of energy throughout the entire universe.

Feel it. Know it.

[alchemist2012]

I never go to see something with a closed mind! Its not worth it! Its losing time! because I wouldn't watch all those videos if I had a closed mind first. I examed many things one that really intriging were the sumerians tablets. However God clarified to me that Those were not Gods from other planet but they were angels who rebeled and mate with woman, teaching man knowledges and that they still around but have no bodys. they room the earth and know everything sinse they are around for thausands of years. They are after those mayans, and astrologys and etcs.. " THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS WE HUMANS ARE MIXED WITH EXTRA TERRESTRIAL TODAY! We were desempowered from the flood to today. We were purified after the food. However it seems that still a wicked bloodline survived. Plus the flood changed all earth! A HUGE CHANGE in the intire earth. changing including the human life wich used to be over 900 years to 70. I'have experienced the power of God. I protection from a fight, death etc.
Don't you guys see? mamals need a leader, You leader wants you way from God, because that means they can control you. Busg always use the bible and God and at the same time making war ! Its psycologycal. That is how he change it. Plus, he is not that dumb he seems to be. He makes you think he can't talk so whenever you ask him a serious question, he will say: About eating, or nukiler etc... and it will be okay because " he can't talk on public". Get your selfs out of sstress because things is not in your hands! I took 25 years of life to find that out. RELEX , ENJOY YOUR LIFE , YOUR FAMILY and fear not DEATH BECAUSE THE REAL WORLD IS YET TO COME!!!! Yesssssssssss. knows most things i say is from dreams, and comon sense and interior knowledge given trugh the holy SPIRIT.
I have no intention at all of proving somebody else wrong! I am not in a competition of right or wrong here. That leads to fanatism witch is very very bad thing. No competition here. I just want to spread the only hope, as for when you know it, you will be HAPPY!!!!!!!! And lovely!!!!! and u will feel protected!!!!! Against anything! Anything!!!!!!! including vacines, flue shots, poor food full of chemicals etc... Even if you eat them!!!! Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
I'm sorry my poor spelling, I'm originaly from Brazil.
Peace and love in Jesus's name :)

[21_12_2012]

An exercise that would yield positive results would be to state aloud something like "Every day, an exponential number of people are realizing their own inner strength and are responding to and emoting love instead of fear." Pick your own, but the important part is that it is said aloud and with feeling. It's not the words, but the energy of the emotion that creates the wave. Also, it must be said as a statement of fact, not wishing, i.e., "I hope that soon we will overcome...blah, blah."

Excellent ..if we all did something like this "for humanity" just once a day, I'm sure we would see great changes...definately.

[misscpb]

That thoughts create reality has been explored and proven. Just one example is the studies performed by {link} Masaru Emoto (http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/consciouswater.html). Notice that it's not simply the words but the intent that makes the difference, even words that evoke a type of emotion (the words "Adolph Hitler" taped to a bottle of water exhibited negative effects).

An exercise that would yield positive results would be to state aloud something like "Every day, an exponential number of people are realizing their own inner strength and are responding to and emoting love instead of fear." Pick your own, but the important part is that it is said aloud and with feeling. It's not the words, but the energy of the emotion that creates the wave. Also, it must be said as a statement of fact, not wishing, i.e., "I hope that soon we will overcome...blah, blah."

For me, a way to visualize the impact that one person doing even this simple thing is through understanding Chaos theory (fractals, non-linear dynamics, "the Butterfly Effect", etc.) and laser holograms. If you've read Michael Talbot's Holographic Universe you'll understand that the image of a hologram is stored on the film non-locally, meaning that the whole of the hologram is represented in every part of the film. Cutting a hologram in half, quarters, eighths, etc. will still yield the entire image, just with lower and lower resolution.

But we exist in an active hologram, where every action we make becomes represented in the whole, to one degree or another, much like the Butterfly Effect, where the gentle flapping of the butterfly's wings may be enough energy in an extremely dynamic system to set the system off in another direction (the analogy is usually applied to the weather).

Just by all of us being here, resonating our thoughts in a somewhat uniform way, is creating a positive wave of energy throughout the entire universe.

Feel it. Know it.


I remember seeing some pictures in one of Masaru Emoto's books about water and the experiments he did on crystals when water was subjected to positive, negative words and sounds etc the difference in the formation was amazing.

[john white]

What really matters is living it as well as knowing it, whatever we understand "it" to be. Has anyone any ideas here? What really counts as living the change?

[21_12_2012]

I remember seeing some pictures in one of Masaru Emoto's books about water and the experiments he did on crystals when water was subjected to positive, negative words and sounds etc the difference in the formation was amazing.

I've seen them, they are amazing, thoughts of love really can change the physical make-up of things. Our bodies are mainly water and if we love ourselves and love others, this is reflected in ourself and others, just like the water crystals became perfect. Mindblowing stuff.

[howlingmad]

What really matters is living it as well as knowing it, whatever we understand "it" to be. Has anyone any ideas here? What really counts as living the change?

When I say "know it", I mean that in the same sense as knowing you exist. Christians call it faith. As far as living it, it would depend on each person's own environment as to what they're capable of. Because of the Illuminati/4th-dimensional reptilians/Lucifer/evil-doers, mankind has devolved, approaching, I think, a point of no return. It will take time, and there are many that can only do a little in their lives.

First, love yourself. Only then can you give love to others. This sounds so simple, yet it is so difficult. The aforementioned negative influences have caused our language to change, and it's in the language that culture resides. Our culture has become self-abasing and dispassionate toward others. This is why it's so important that we choose our words carefully. I don't mean in the "politically correct" sense, but in ways that bolster our own self-love. Listen to a conversation, or even the things we say to ourselves. It's rife with put-downs and negative connotations.

I found the story that Credo Mutwa tells about the first humans and their lack of language brilliant. There was no need; we understood each other without words--"read" each other's minds. Then the Chitauri came and altered the people so that they had to rely on words to express themselves. Thus began the diviseness, for you must first agree on the meaning of the words, something that to this day we haven't been able to do. That same story, of course, is retold (poorly, I think) in the Tower of Babel tale.

This, as I understand it, is the foundation of Taoism; to stop the "monkey-mind" and trying to define everything in words (or some kind or symbol). When the mind is at rest, then everything is understood. It's that zero/infinity point, the fulcrum of existence. The center of the universe.

[sean~infinte]

one of the ways we have to break free at least in my opinion is like this

we have to uneducate ourselves almost uncondition and realize the truth and try not to belive anithing after all to belive somthing is to weaken yourself

yes realizing this is an illusion is a start but knowing it is and accepting it is a whole other process exactly the same with creating realities as you realy have to kno the truth

but is it all time? time yh.. when david icke talks about when he took magic mushroom he says anytime he would fear or look at his watch to check the time the voice wouldnt disconnect and he would be in a natural state

so do we have to stop living by time? again kno it isnt real but in a world were time is all around us...? were everytime we wach the tv time is brought up when we go to work when we go shoppin the point im trying to make is our lives revolve around time and why? becuase everyone else goes by time we cannot help but see it

so is this immportant or can is this a case of just realize the truth?

[howlingmad]

If anything can be shown to be illusion it would be time. It's just a measurement, not unlike a yardstick. The only real time is NOW. Infinitely. Other than being synchronized to the rotation of the Earth (and a little inaccurately at that), time, as we have come to know it, is the product of a machine--a clock. Study Einstein's theory of Relativity, and you'll see that, first of all, space IS "time", since he views the constant (speed of light) to be the ultimate arbiter of time. Time (and space) is relative to the constant and the observer; if the observer could move at the speed of light, then time would "stand still".

But consider: the constant refers to the propagation of light. The speed of light (C) refers to unimpeded light waves/particles through a vacuum.What we perceive as reality is an interference pattern of light at varying densities and rates of propagation that our "tuned" antennae (5-senses) pick up and amplify (the brain is an amplifier).

So, returning to the question of what to do with this knowledge, how to change our lives while remaining immersed in this environment, awareness is truly the key. It's like watching TV without getting sucked into it. Certainly you've seen people "hypnotized" by the thing, having to shout their names over and over to get their attention. Make a point of looking away now and then. Talk about what you've watched. The analogy in life would be to get away from that environment; go off into the woods for a few days, meditate, use some psychedelics, all of the above at the same time, etc.

[misscpb]

I've seen them, they are amazing, thoughts of love really can change the physical make-up of things. Our bodies are mainly water and if we love ourselves and love others, this is reflected in ourself and others, just like the water crystals became perfect. Mindblowing stuff.

You reminded me of the lady Louise L Hay who has done some wonderful work helping people to help themselves through self love and being aware about how powerful we are as creators and having the ability to self heal and affect others in a positive way.

[21_12_2012]

You reminded me of the lady Louise L Hay who has done some wonderful work helping people to help themselves through self love and being aware about how powerful we are as creators and having the ability to self heal and affect others in a positive way.

Yep, it has to be the most powerful vibration, and the most powerful tool we have for transforming ourselves and our world.

[daylenmichael]

I have been reading through these posts because it appears to be my favorite thread and I have noticed quite a bit about the nature of evil...You know, it always makes me laugh when I hear someone say that stars are evil. Looking at stars and wondering if they have something to tell us is evil. Trees are evil...Plants are evil...Animals are evil...It seems to me that everything but Jesus and the Bible are evil to some people.

You know what I believe is evil? Value systems based around separation. Dividing people into different factions then getting them to attack each other via one of the three different levels of attack. It is foolish to buy into the idea that Jesus is above you and must stamp your hand to get into the "ultra exclusive club known as heaven." You are Heaven. In Heaven being and doing are the same thing. If you all profess to agree with what David Icke has to say then there is little you can do to argue this point. It is right in the title of one of his more recent books. Infinite Love is the only Truth: Everything else is illusion. Well if that is the case, and I am quite sure that it is. Then you are Love. Jesus is Love. Buddha is Love. Muhammed is Love. George H.W. Bush is Love. Adolf Hitler is Love. Satan is Love. Stars, trees, lakes, rocks, mountains, billy goats, and turds are Love. It is just a matter of whether we are conscious enough about our true self to realize it. Either that or you are an illusion. I guess it really comes down to what you believe about yourself. Do you believe in your comical exterior, or do you believe in your birthright as an extension of God's Love and Light? It seems to me that the most evil people are the ones that buy into bodies as a form of salvation. They see themselves or some fantasical savior figure as something special, above and beyond everyone else. More deserving of an infinite commodity and thus more in God's favor. As I am writing this I am starting to think that if Satan does in fact exist in some corporeal form he probably believes he is the only one going to Heaven becuase he truly believes himself to be in God's ultimate level of favor. If I could do so I would invite him in in a heartbeat to learn the error of his ways and to learn that We are all One. You cannot divide Love in its purest form. If you try (and we all have otherwise we wouldn't be here) do you know what you get? This dream world of limited expression and suffering.

Time to repeat myself...WE ARE ALL ONE. You are Jesus. You are God. You are the only being that exists.

We are all One...We are all One...We are all One...

;) Daylen Michael ;)

[alchemist2012]

WOW! So daylen Michael; You even know what satan beliaves! I mean we! :D:D:D:D Not me budy.

[sean~infinte]

hey as david icke said if i dont love george bush and the queen i cannot love myself

some people say evil is another experssion of love

i belive all evil pain and negative emotions are the most obvious ilusion in this dreamworld simply becuase we can control them
we can control anger and all things negative but love you cant more so in unconditional love

[21_12_2012]

I have been reading through these posts because it appears to be my favorite thread and I have noticed quite a bit about the nature of evil...You know, it always makes me laugh when I hear someone say that stars are evil. Looking at stars and wondering if they have something to tell us is evil. Trees are evil...Plants are evil...Animals are evil...It seems to me that everything but Jesus and the Bible are evil to some people.

You know what I believe is evil? Value systems based around separation. Dividing people into different factions then getting them to attack each other via one of the three different levels of attack. It is foolish to buy into the idea that Jesus is above you and must stamp your hand to get into the "ultra exclusive club known as heaven." You are Heaven. In Heaven being and doing are the same thing. If you all profess to agree with what David Icke has to say then there is little you can do to argue this point. It is right in the title of one of his more recent books. Infinite Love is the only Truth: Everything else is illusion. Well if that is the case, and I am quite sure that it is. Then you are Love. Jesus is Love. Buddha is Love. Muhammed is Love. George H.W. Bush is Love. Adolf Hitler is Love. Satan is Love. Stars, trees, lakes, rocks, mountains, billy goats, and turds are Love. It is just a matter of whether we are conscious enough about our true self to realize it. Either that or you are an illusion. I guess it really comes down to what you believe about yourself. Do you believe in your comical exterior, or do you believe in your birthright as an extension of God's Love and Light? It seems to me that the most evil people are the ones that buy into bodies as a form of salvation. They see themselves or some fantasical savior figure as something special, above and beyond everyone else. More deserving of an infinite commodity and thus more in God's favor. As I am writing this I am starting to think that if Satan does in fact exist in some corporeal form he probably believes he is the only one going to Heaven becuase he truly believes himself to be in God's ultimate level of favor. If I could do so I would invite him in in a heartbeat to learn the error of his ways and to learn that We are all One. You cannot divide Love in its purest form. If you try (and we all have otherwise we wouldn't be here) do you know what you get? This dream world of limited expression and suffering.

Time to repeat myself...WE ARE ALL ONE. You are Jesus. You are God. You are the only being that exists.

We are all One...We are all One...We are all One...

;) Daylen Michael ;)


Brilliant post....I have read 'Infinte Love' twice now, and it is excellent. Although i do disagree with one thing that Icke believes (and I think this is the only thing I have ever disagreed about with Icke's work)...and that is about Jesus never having 'been here'...or being 'real'
I know for a fact he was here, but not in the context that the bible presents to us.
Underneath, when we get down to the 'original matter that the whole universe is made up of'...then yes...we are all one. Even though it is split into levels higher and higher(what people refer to as 'heaven' etc) it is all part of the vast 'illusion' of separateness and division.

[daylenmichael]

Underneath, when we get down to the 'original matter that the whole universe is made up of'...then yes...we are all one. Even though it is split into levels higher and higher(what people refer to as 'heaven' etc) it is all part of the vast 'illusion' of separateness and division.


I disagree...I have been to heaven...It is without levels. Well maybe I went to purgatory. I dont know. But it certainly was nicer than 5 sense reality. It was never ending bliss without any distinction between anyone and without distinction there can be no levels. I was God in that moment. I was also a creation of God. But the two are without difference. I believe that is what is meant by "I and my Father are One."

If it is the case that Heaven has levels then I choose purgatory. I say this because it makes no sense to me to have levels of distinction. Striving for accomplishment is what the 5 sense world is for. Heaven is the only thing that is NOT an illusion and therefor MUST be without levels. Like David says; "If it vibrates, it is not real." And without vibration you can have no distinction between one and other. Heaven is an eternal place of absolute peace and complete Oneness between all creations. It is true equality because it makes no sense to keep a piece of ones self at a disadvantage. At least from an Enlightened viewpoint that I beleive God would certainly maintain.

Heaven is an open gate. We can all go back at any time.


:cool: Daylen Michael :cool:

[daylenmichael]

some people say evil is another experssion of love


Evil IS another expression of Love. Every act, from the most malevolent to the most beneficent is a cry for God's Love because, get ready for this, ACTION ISN'T REAL. No act anyone can commit with a body is real, because bodies are not real. There is no action in reality because reality is without vibration. There is only Love in reality and in reality doing and being are the same thing which results in the ever expanding consiousness of the Mind of God and God's only son, aka the Light of original Creation. BTW (to all the women out there) I could have said Gods only daughter. Sex is obsolete. From now on I will use God's only Child. ;)

Think BRIGHT WHITE INFINITY...

:) Daylen Michael :)

[21_12_2012]

I disagree...I have been to heaven...It is without levels. Well maybe I went to purgatory. I dont know. But it certainly was nicer than 5 sense reality. It was never ending bliss without any distinction between anyone and without distinction there can be no levels. I was God in that moment. I was also a creation of God. But the two are without difference. I believe that is what is meant by "I and my Father are One."

If it is the case that Heaven has levels then I choose purgatory. I say this because it makes no sense to me to have levels of distinction. Striving for accomplishment is what the 5 sense world is for. Heaven is the only thing that is NOT an illusion and therefor MUST be without levels. Like David says; "If it vibrates, it is not real." And without vibration you can have no distinction between one and other. Heaven is an eternal place of absolute peace and complete Oneness between all creations. It is true equality because it makes no sense to keep a piece of ones self at a disadvantage. At least from an Enlightened viewpoint that I beleive God would certainly maintain.

Heaven is an open gate. We can all go back at any time.


:cool: Daylen Michael :cool:

I think you'll find that even Icke refers to the 'spirit realms' (which includes 'heaven') as places that also vibrate.
It does vibrate at a higher level (spirit levels) and it less dense than our 5 sense reality, but that doesn't mean it is oneness (infinite love).
There are 'rules' in these higher realms, rules=control.. rules do not = oneness...therefore, the higher realms are illusion also. (including heaven..with levels)

[misscpb]

I have been reading through these posts because it appears to be my favorite thread and I have noticed quite a bit about the nature of evil...You know, it always makes me laugh when I hear someone say that stars are evil. Looking at stars and wondering if they have something to tell us is evil. Trees are evil...Plants are evil...Animals are evil...It seems to me that everything but Jesus and the Bible are evil to some people.

You know what I believe is evil? Value systems based around separation. Dividing people into different factions then getting them to attack each other via one of the three different levels of attack. It is foolish to buy into the idea that Jesus is above you and must stamp your hand to get into the "ultra exclusive club known as heaven." You are Heaven. In Heaven being and doing are the same thing. If you all profess to agree with what David Icke has to say then there is little you can do to argue this point. It is right in the title of one of his more recent books. Infinite Love is the only Truth: Everything else is illusion. Well if that is the case, and I am quite sure that it is. Then you are Love. Jesus is Love. Buddha is Love. Muhammed is Love. George H.W. Bush is Love. Adolf Hitler is Love. Satan is Love. Stars, trees, lakes, rocks, mountains, billy goats, and turds are Love. It is just a matter of whether we are conscious enough about our true self to realize it. Either that or you are an illusion. I guess it really comes down to what you believe about yourself. Do you believe in your comical exterior, or do you believe in your birthright as an extension of God's Love and Light? It seems to me that the most evil people are the ones that buy into bodies as a form of salvation. They see themselves or some fantasical savior figure as something special, above and beyond everyone else. More deserving of an infinite commodity and thus more in God's favor. As I am writing this I am starting to think that if Satan does in fact exist in some corporeal form he probably believes he is the only one going to Heaven becuase he truly believes himself to be in God's ultimate level of favor. If I could do so I would invite him in in a heartbeat to learn the error of his ways and to learn that We are all One. You cannot divide Love in its purest form. If you try (and we all have otherwise we wouldn't be here) do you know what you get? This dream world of limited expression and suffering.

Time to repeat myself...WE ARE ALL ONE. You are Jesus. You are God. You are the only being that exists.

We are all One...We are all One...We are all One...

;) Daylen Michael ;)

I have often thought the same thing myself and when you look at what some of the most famous world leaders are doing with regards to all the war, descuction and deception etc, it is surely enabling people to wake up on some level and work towards experiencing its polar opposite of love and peace.

[misscpb]

I have just found this on a wonderful web site www.dianacooper.com. Its all about 2012

Why is 2012 so important?
We are now living in ‘end times’, that is the end of the Aztec and Mayan calendars, the end of the outbreath of Brahma, the end of a 26,000 year astrological period and the start of a new era. A cosmic moment occurs at the winter solstice in 2012, an instant of universal silence, which offers an unprecedented opportunity for divine inspiration.

In addition three planets are configured to interact at the 2012 solstice. Neptune, which represents higher spirituality, Pluto transformation and Uranus change. As the energies they represent work together, it will cause a massive impact on the consciousness of the planet. This offers a potential for a huge shift in consciousness. Of course, such high energies can equally be used for bad if used unwisely, which is why everyone is called on to heal their emotions and thoughts now and use this great opportunity to change the planet. Individually and collectively there has never been such an opportunity for spiritual growth.

What can I do to bring about the changes for 2012?
Bring your own life into peace and harmony. Your energy will then automatically lift the vibrations of everyone with whom you come into contact.

Recognise that everyone is equal and treat them as such.

Honour all the forms of life on the planet from rocks, insects and plants to animals and humans.

Give no energy to fear, darkness and mass hysteria. Instead focus on the good, the wise and great, so that it expands.

Visualise everyone throughout the world holding hands in peace.


If enough individuals do these things, the consciousness of all must inevitably rise.

Are there any crystals which will help me prepare for 2012?
In Discover Atlantis we explain about the crystals which have been provided and energised for the higher energy.

There are four which will help you to prepare of 2012. If you can carry them with you at all times, they will subtly work on your chakras.

Calcite (any colour) which will help to open your Stellar Gateway chakra.

Selenite which will work with your Soul Star.

Kyanite, which will help to re-align your mind and brain for the higher energy.

Haematite, which will help bring the divine energies into your blood stream, so that it spreads through you.

Is the energy rising already for 2012? If so is there spiritual intervention?
Yes, the consciousness of Earth has already risen in preparation for 2012. A number of things have been happening to prepare us all for a higher way of being, so that we can eventually bring back the energy of Heaven to Earth. This is a long slow process and will not happen overnight but Lady Gaia has decreed that Earth will become once more a fifth dimensional planet.

Pulses of light are being beamed to Earth at increasing intervals. Light contains spiritual knowledge and information.

Higher Angels of Light are flocking to Earth. Apart from a short period during the Renaissance, many were withdrawn.

Wise old souls are re-incarnating to help with the shift.

Indigo, rainbow, crystal children, the enlightened ones are incarnating.

Indigo, rainbow, crystal children, the enlightened ones are incarnating.

Powerful energies that were withdrawn at the fall of Atlantis are being returned to us. These include Reiki, the Mahatma energy, the Violet Flame, the Gem Rays and others.

Special energy came in with the Harmonic Convergence and Harmonic Concordance.

The double Venus transit is starting to balance the masculine and feminine energy on Earth.

The dolphins are making their presence felt.

The Angels of Atlantis have returned to Earth to seek people to work with them to bring back the energy of Atlantis.

The Unicorns are appearing.

The twelve rays have anchored on Earth for the first time since the fall of Atlantis.

The planet is detoxing, throwing off negativity and stuck karma, through earthquakes, hurricanes, floods etc.

[21_12_2012]

I have just found this on a wonderful web site www.dianacooper.com. Its all about 2012

Good info...i have all those crystals too, so i shall be carrying them daily from now on (if i remember !)

[charooka]

I can not forsee the future. I am as anxious as anyone to see what happens in the coming years up to 2012. I have thought about it quite a bit and there is a couple of directions humanity could go in. On one hand there is the idea of complete utopian freedom in which we have no "higher" authority telling us what to do beyond each persons ability to practice what I call "effective self-governance." The idea is that we will have complete freedom to commit any action we feel but the universal truth of Oneness and Love will be there to guide us in our decisions. On the other end of the spectrum you have one group who has complete dominion over the planet through electronic surveillance. Those are the responses that come to mind if we as a human race do actually stay in these meat-puppet bodies we inhabit. If it is the case that we remain physical then I would imagine that it will be somewhere in between those two ideals.

I personally hope that we, as a race, become transcendent. I hope we shed our mortal bodies and become conscious Light. Indeed that is our true form as far as I have seen and to be honest, these bodies are uncomfortable compared to being a ray of Light. It is very amazing what one sees when they achieve enlightenment. I don't remember what preconceptions I had before I did but when it happened all I saw was whiteness...In fact that is what I called it when I was there. The physical world was wiped away and all that was left was infinite whiteness. It is hard for me to even justify calling it Light because the idea most people have of light is that the beam must come to rest on a solid object to reveal its being. When you are in the Enlightened state of mind there is just white...everywhere, and nothing else. My point being; We all chose to leave this divine state of mind at one point to better understand what it was exactly that we were leaving. So, we come here. We become entrenched in the ideas of separation only to forget about the "Whiteness" at which point we believe this is the real world, when it is not. But the Truth being what it is would not let us be stuck for long as it appears to me that humanity is on a fast track to mass Enlightenment. At which point I question the need for physicality at all. Why might I ask, if this world is a dream that we are all in the process of waking from, would we need to hold onto it at all? In my head all I see at that point is everyone in fantasical rainbow Light pattern bodies (our open chakras) consciously understanding their Oneness and their separation all at the same time. If this is the case then I feel like world catastrophy is what will happen on the run up to 2012. When you think about it, it is simply a liberation to have your physical being destroyed. Those of us that are ready to remain in their natural Light body will do so, those who are not will have the opportunity of being born into yet another physical body, and the cycle continues.

I really hope that is what happens. I am tired of having to feed myself illusory food and drink illusory water to maintain my so-called "self." But then again I am always the person at funerals saying that I am jealous of the person lying in the box. :)

Right now who really knows though? Not I, and that is for sure. I will never stand by anything I say except for these four words...We Are All One.

:cool: Daylen Michael :cool:


Can you tell me how you achieved this enlightening experience? I have been searching for a means to do this myself. Are there some useful mediation techniques? I agree with you that we have to change our inner selves (that which is being projected) to change the outer world (the projection.) But it seems to me that changing one's inner self is much easier as the spiritual awareness of the inner self grows. Awareness is different from knowledge in this sense. I "know" with my mind that my inner self is the projected and that to change my outer experiences I need to change my inner self. But my spiritual awareness of the inner self is not so strong. I think I could accelerate the growth of my inner awareness if only I were to have a similar enligthening experience. Does this make any sense? Any help?

[daylenmichael]

Can you tell me how you achieved this enlightening experience? I have been searching for a means to do this myself. Are there some useful mediation techniques? I agree with you that we have to change our inner selves (that which is being projected) to change the outer world (the projection.) But it seems to me that changing one's inner self is much easier as the spiritual awareness of the inner self grows. Awareness is different from knowledge in this sense. I "know" with my mind that my inner self is the projected and that to change my outer experiences I need to change my inner self. But my spiritual awareness of the inner self is not so strong. I think I could accelerate the growth of my inner awareness if only I were to have a similar enligthening experience. Does this make any sense? Any help?

Hmmm...Well...I can tell you this. I wanted Enlightenment more than any other state of mind in the world. I Meditated every single day for a year (Which I still do more often than not). I prayed and prayed to see the Truth. I didn't really practice any technique other than laying on the couch and trying to let my mind be free of worry about this world. If a thought came in I tried to let it wander out without clinging to it. Read between the lines on this next one because I am not going to say it in plain english. I partook of the natural world before I meditated each day. If you don't understand what that means then ask around. I guarantee someone around here does. If it is not forthcoming it is not necessary for your journey. Or, if it is a personal necessity, you will be introduced in good time. Just try to keep an open mind when it makes its appearance. :) Otherwise One simply needs to make it of paramount importance to become Enlightened and to practice actions that promote an Enlightened state of mind. Meditate. Let your soul cry out in silent prayer to whatever it is you want to understand. Be nice to everyone. Stop judging anyone of anything. Look to the natural world for inspiration and insight into the idea of Oneness. Most of all you just have to be loving of your self and others. Remember, you don't have to be perfect, you just have to be sincere in your devotion.

Peace and Love and good luck finding what you need...

;) Daylen Michael ;)

[fryertuck]

awake???
ahahahahahahahahahaha :p :p :p

[harpalchemist]

Funnily enough,I know what friar tuck means.I have serious doubts about the level of consciousness of some of the members of this forum,honestly.Firstly,if you want to quote the "good book",lets start with genesis chapter 6.Moving on,as I have explained in the Atlantis/lemuria section of this site,the whole myth of Atlantis being our pinnacle in enlightened society is bollocks.All the Coopers/Virtues and other fluffy bunnies of angelic/unicorn/white witch variety are leading you down the wishful thinking road into a pink crystal prison. If you really want to know what to do next,here goes.Ignore anyone else.You do not need to try to wake up others,the whole point is for people to make the decision for themselves.Imagine it like a maths problem,if you wave the answer in front of them they still won't have got the PROCESS,just an answer.It is an ongoing process,forever,in this realm and the next,it is growth.We are hear to experience but we need information before we can make a decision.Always.Thats it.Whatever you know now,is nothing.You might think you have the answers,especially if you have filled your mind with the Dyer/Tolle/Krishnamurti soma,but as the reality is everything,so are the the possibilities.I don't want to create anything negative,but this forum is nothing more than opinions based on wishful thinking and ideologies,and until that changes,you are not going anywhere near "enlightenment".I think the biggest sign that you are being suffocated in your alchemical awakening process is when you believe that YOU ARE SPECIAL AND YOU NEED NOT DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN BE POSITIVE AND LOVE ALL OF GODS CREATURES BLAH BLAH BLAH.That might be true for those already at a higher realm,but for us on Earth in the 3rd,love comes after knowledge,otherwise how can you know what love really is.If there is something you don't understand,learn.If there is something you want to see,go.Thats all you can do,and thats the greatest gift to yourself.

[alchemist2012]

Funnily enough,I know what friar tuck means.I have serious doubts about the level of consciousness of some of the members of this forum,honestly.Firstly,if you want to quote the "good book",lets start with genesis chapter 6.Moving on,as I have explained in the Atlantis/lemuria section of this site,the whole myth of Atlantis being our pinnacle in enlightened society is bollocks.All the Coopers/Virtues and other fluffy bunnies of angelic/unicorn/white witch variety are leading you down the wishful thinking road into a pink crystal prison. If you really want to know what to do next,here goes.Ignore anyone else.You do not need to try to wake up others,the whole point is for people to make the decision for themselves.Imagine it like a maths problem,if you wave the answer in front of them they still won't have got the PROCESS,just an answer.It is an ongoing process,forever,in this realm and the next,it is growth.We are hear to experience but we need information before we can make a decision.Always.Thats it.Whatever you know now,is nothing.You might think you have the answers,especially if you have filled your mind with the Dyer/Tolle/Krishnamurti soma,but as the reality is everything,so are the the possibilities.I don't want to create anything negative,but this forum is nothing more than opinions based on wishful thinking and ideologies,and until that changes,you are not going anywhere near "enlightenment".I think the biggest sign that you are being suffocated in your alchemical awakening process is when you believe that YOU ARE SPECIAL AND YOU NEED NOT DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN BE POSITIVE AND LOVE ALL OF GODS CREATURES BLAH BLAH BLAH.That might be true for those already at a higher realm,but for us on Earth in the 3rd,love comes after knowledge,otherwise how can you know what love really is.If there is something you don't understand,learn.If there is something you want to see,go.Thats all you can do,and thats the greatest gift to yourself.

I agree with much of what you said but just wanted to ask: een you said " this forum is nothing more than opinions based on wishful thinking and ideologies" So what do you think this forum should be ???

[sean~infinte]

i wouldnt even call this forum based on wishfull thinking as most of the sub forums are about the problem and the last three are about the solution

the thing about unconditional love is that it isnt an exsternal experience as long as you have a mother you kno what that love is

as far as enlightenment goes we are enlightenment its just a case of remembering who we realy are and its simple you attract what you focus on in my mind people like david icke cannot win some people tell him that he is to negative well others say hes to spiritual and needs to focus on reality but truth is reality is what you make it

thats why realy thinkin your opinion is correct over another one is a total waste if time and pointless

and people reading that oter shite called the bible are presented with fear instead of love and all they have to do is look in the past and ask has religion realy helped is that "good book" enlightenment and thats my opinion on the bible and all religions

[richmick]

i wouldnt even call this forum based on wishfull thinking as most of the sub forums are about the problem and the last three are about the solution

the thing about unconditional love is that it isnt an exsternal experience as long as you have a mother you kno what that love is

as far as enlightenment goes we are enlightenment its just a case of remembering who we realy are and its simple you attract what you focus on in my mind people like david icke cannot win some people tell him that he is to negative well others say hes to spiritual and needs to focus on reality but truth is reality is what you make it

thats why realy thinkin your opinion is correct over another one is a total waste if time and pointless

and people reading that oter shite called the bible are presented with fear instead of love and all they have to do is look in the past and ask has religion realy helped is that "good book" enlightenment and thats my opinion on the bible and all religions

Sean, i must point something out to you. Here in this thread of yours, firsty you attack the bible, that some hold sacred, it's another persons belief system you are attacking and then you used the SHITE word. I hereby deduct 200 friendly points from your account. We will contact you at a later date, after discussion on your future ties with this site. You have been warned, please read the forum rules lol. Sorry, i just could not resist lol..:p

[scotty zee]

There are more than just the big names that we see in Our media. Every one of us are able to do the same that Icke is doing. We may in our own way, and to our own ability, spread the word to those that need to hear the Truth. And really, everyone needs to at least hear. From there the choice is their own.

Zee

www.ScottyZee.com

[howlingmad]

I just caught a part of an interview with Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck, director of a new movie called "The Live of Others", a film about the East German Stasi. He made a comment about a Stasi officer (?) and how he needed to refrain from listening to Beethoven's Apassionata because it "softened" him; he was unable to be as cold as he needed to be in order to perform his duties. Hence the power of beautiful art.

Art, and particularly music for me, is definitely a human quality (we can discuss birdsong, but think they differ in important ways). I have been composing music for many years, and have been able to see the emotional impact it can have on others. I know how music affects me emotionally, and am grateful that I have it in my life.

If art and music, especially the kind that evokes feelings of love and beauty, can soften the effects of evil as in the case of the Stasi officer, then creating more of this kind of art would benefit all humans (as apart from the reptilian-oriented mind). It is empowering, because our emotional energy (I believe our most powerful energy) is brought to a heightened level.

I'd bet there are many more artists on this forum. Please provide links to examples of your art. Let us all appreciate your emotional creations so that we can resonate that energy throughout the universe. Here are some samples of my music:
http://johnmitchum.com/sa_comps.htm
This isn't actually a public page; I've provided it for a few personal contacts, so ignore the superfluous info. Also, I'm not John Mitchum; he was my father-in-law. Some interesting stories behind all of that...

[soulsearcher88]

Nobody knows what is going to happen at 2012 but i don't believe we are necessarily off the hook. Staying positive is a key component to fighting "them" but it will take much much more...One thing we need to do is keep learning. Study, fill your head on knowledge you can use. If you want to get psyched or prepared, read up on many modern day prophets. Timothy Leary, Terence Mckenna, Carlos Castaneda, Edgar Cayce. All these men have just as many powerful messages as David Icke and like David Icke they hold the key to our freedom. The problem is too many people need proof. They need to be able to see and touch it, disect it, strap it with wires or put it in a jar. People need proof proof proof but alot of these beliefs rely on faith. Im not speaking on one specific belief, I'm talking about all modern New age beliefs. There are the privileged few who have experienced the secrets of the universe FIRST-HAND and these are the people we need to be listening to. Also we need to go out there and experience the horrors and wonders of this world for ourselves, as I one day hope to do. Explore the Universe of the mind and go fishing. Then bring back "fish" dinner and share (quote Terence Mckenna). Stay positive but don't just sit around thinking positive. Go out there and express yourself positively and do positive things, spread positive lessons. If anyone knows a way to contact David Icke by letter or email would they be so kind as to tell me. It would be deeply appreciated
-SoulSearcher

[procyon]

In response to the question, "So we are awake thats the first step what do we do now?

Answer:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/Tredcrow/Illusion/march17mediano2mg.png

That is what Americans should do. The rest of could follow suit in our own countries.

[sean~infinte]

rebelion?

i like mtsars (michael tsarion) look on rebelion

all rebelion is is the other side of the coin of control it knever offers a soloution its all very good marching into the pentagon and starting riots but its still serving there agenda simply because it doesnt offer a soloution and it does put us tht one more step to martial law

and again rebelion just is trying to "comb the mirror"

i think we just have to find balance in our selves and the rest will follow suit

all you have to do is take a step back realize this world is mad and corrupt and focus on what you want it to be like

[deca]

It does not have to be corupt......we let it be and accept it
yep marching and rioting going to play write into there game
we have to educate the people so even the police militry see these vapiars sucking the life of this planet for what they are.

[sean~infinte]

rebelion?

i like mtsars (michael tsarion) look on rebelion

all rebelion is is the other side of the coin of control it knever offers a soloution its all very good marching into the pentagon and starting riots but its still serving there agenda simply because it doesnt offer a soloution and it does put us tht one more step to martial law

and again rebelion just is trying to "comb the mirror"

i think we just have to find balance in our selves and the rest will follow suit

all you have to do is take a step back realize this world is mad and corrupt and focus on what you want it to be like


indeed deca knowledge is power and to take back our power in a must

but should we externaly help others awaken or leave em to it?

[deca]

hmmm just sit around and maybe they want knock on your door or head.

[procyon]

yep marching and rioting going to play write into there game

I never said riot. A million voices is much louder than one. And sitting around allowing them to stay in power and plan for future BS terror attacks plays into their game just as dangerously. When disease hits, so will quarantine and clean up. If you want to post on a PC and sit around, by all means. What would you all suggest? Writing a letter? Sitting on message boards arguing. Wishful thinking is just that. You have to apply it. Act on it. Do you think the UFO community would have gotten anywhere without standing up to these guys? FOIA? Protests for disclosure? This is all bunk, and riotous propaganda?

Peaceful protest is just that, and it is a hell of a lot more effective than sitting around and doing absolutely nothing about it. Do you think these power hungry freaks will back off because they feel bad about what they are doing? Do you think that they will not use force with or without protest? When we start getting thrown in camps you will think differently about marching. That is my two cents on rebellion. And yes most rebellion does install a mirror of what was just thrown out. But I would expect that most of you have done their homework and have realized that most rebellions and revolutions are planned and funded by the same people. Divide and conquer.

Unite. It is that simple.

[deca]

I have no answers or solutions.......
not gonna let other people dictate my fate thou...thats for sure......I am stuck in nomans land....maybe thats what thease bastards want us to think we are beat....with there x-rays and lies.
even with there mass media there emf to my brain (yes that shit is true like my words) peoples none belife of there mind control electronic harassment from there tetra towers....they can not break my will....
the have lost the right to govern there own people if they can`t reflect the wish of there people or trust them............even Hilter took the easy way out when the game was up.....I am just starting and I am gonna give them some shit.

[howlingmad]

Unite. It is that simple.

Uniting is the correct thing to do, but a march on the Pentagon, or for that matter any anti-establishment reaction is just feeding the maw of the beast. They just love that shit. Although it may appear to be a show of courage by confronting and challenging them, it incites them to bust heads in. You won't have them trembling in their hobnail boots, other than trembling with excitement over the ensuing bloodshed.

We (all of humanity) have reached a point where reaction by physical means is just perpetuating the same insanity; doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. We must change our reaction.

To say that a spiritual approach is necessary won't be understood very well, but the power that we can learn to wield is great beyond measure, certainly greater than the physical realm, which is fundamentally insubstantial.

Though it may be that being fully immersed in the photon belt in 2012-13 will put an end to all of this nonsense (and I mean that in a positive way), by focusing our emotional energy toward a world in which reptilian/illuminati behavior doesn't belong anymore, becoming obsolete and irrelevent, we can change the world. Not overnight, of course not. This power I'm speaking of has nearly atrophied in the vast majority (but not completely, unless you're emotionally dead inside) so it will take some exercise to build up that muscle. Baby steps. But start today. We don't have much time left. Change your pattern; envision your life in a place without fear, where love and brotherhood are the norm, but not taken for granted. The Kingdom of Heaven is within, so it's been said.

So remember: Whatever it is you are feeling is a perfect reflection of what is in the process of becoming. If you feel confrontational and challenging, expect confrontation and challenge. Do you want peace? Feel peaceful.

[samuel]

Once my eyes opened, I felt a vast array of emotions, and to be quite honest, I very nearly drowned in them. What I am doing now is changing the way I live my life drastically......much of the world I see around me today has been thrown up to make me forget who I am, and how special we all are. Me, you, birds, bees, trees, Earth, Sun...stars....and all things in the universe have a bond. The energy everything is made of is one infinite conciousness, many people today know this alrdy......some call it 'God'. So I come to the realisation that I believe in God(infinite conciousness), I believe we all have a link to God that has been severed by the forces that give us money, religion and all that jazz. We all search for happines externally....through money, drugs, clothes, fancy cars, houses etc. I believe we have all that we need within ourselves.....we are all born of the universe, we are all the sons and daughters of God.....we really are amazing! When i feel anger, hate, fear....I know for a fact that I am harming myself and God.....everyone suffers from these and that is why I think we live in the world that we do...we create our reality through our emotions, God is in our hands......not the other way round.
And so, I am trying my best not to let those negative aspects enter my life.....its bloody hard thing to do, love thy enemy as well as thy friend. The easiest thing to do is make money...do drugs...drive fancy cars, throw stones get angry...REVOLUTION!! The right thing to do is the hardest because of the manipulation that has a hold of us. I plan on living my life from now as truthfully, honestly, and peacefully as possible.......this I know will help God. Every day I get better at this way of life, and everyday the grip of the manipulators weakens. I feel empowered by gaining more and more real knowlege of my self and the world around me....'it's a great time to be alive!'

But thats how I feel....one very important thing I've learned is that no-one can show you the path that you must follow.....you have to find it yourself!

[procyon]

So your solution is nothing. Let the dishonorable remain in power and leave them to continue unchecked? You have offered nothing in terms of solutions. Only implied that you are scared to do anything because they have already thought of that and everything plays into their plan. Whatever. Keep projecting honor into the dishonorable and watch what keeps happening. You aren't gonna see a change of heart. You are gonna see things get alot worse. You cannot ignore the reality we have been forced to create. And said ignorance and wishful thinking is not going to change it. An agenda is unfolding and just because you wish it will stop isn't gonna make it so. Sorry to burst your bubble. As I said, if it can all be done peacefully and orderly then that is greater than anything, however get real and realize who you are dealing with. It isn't going to be easy but you aren't gonna do anything to help by wishing everything would change from your armchair. Sometimes you have to get off the couch. Civil ignorance is sickening and is responsible for a large part of why we are in this mess.

I am through wasting my breath. You all have offered nothing for rational solutions. All I have read is that alot of you a scared little rabbits. That's OK. Every course of action plays into their plan. Not trying to re draft the world, just wish to bring honor back to a corrupt system. If that means physically removing guilty parties, laying charges against them, and yes jailing their asses then so be it. Whatever makes this happen I will support. Whatever allows them to remain, I oppose. Are you gonna pray that they don't chip you? I am sure that will work. :rolleyes:

[i am all i am]

This is the first and only forum that I have joined. I have done so because I was reading a few of the threads and decided that I may be of assistance to a few people that have posted here.
If you truly believe that 'we are all one' and 'love is all there is', then allow me to expand upon this for you in a logical progression.
Firstly, let me offer you a small amount of proof that all is one and love is all there is. In geometry there are five solid geometrical shapes (also called the 'platonic solids'). These five shapes are :- icosahedron, dodecahedron, tetrahedron, octahedron, cube. The sides of each shape are :- 20, 12, 4, 8, 6. When you add the sides of these shapes together you get a total of 50. In numerology 5 is the number that represents love and 0 is a representation of the creator. Therefore, within nature, we can see that love is the creator.
The next proof you can do with your fingers. Your thumbs are the first and the last (the alpha and the omega). If you number your ten digits from 01 to 10 (thumb to thumb) and then add them up progressively, the first five digits give you a total of 15 (that is one five, or one hand). Continuing the progressive addition of digits, after all ten are added together, you gain a total of 55 (two fives, or two hands). 5+5=10. Or one creator.
Secondly, lets consider the tools we have at our disposal to understand and experience life with.
BELIEF IS ALL
- All thoughts, words and actions lead from your belief.
- If your belief is opposed to anything, then you will be unable to understand and unable to see that which you are opposed to.
- Your belief allows you to understand and see what you believe in, here and now, within the physical.
- Therefore, believing will allow you to see, and that which you see is a confirmation of what it is that you believe.
- To master yourself, or experience self-mastery, you will require a belief that encompasses ALL THAT IS.
- The belief that allows you to encompass ALL THAT IS and therefore understand and see ALL THAT IS, is the belief that all is possible.
- As ALL THAT IS is already here within its entirety, it becomes your choice to acknowledge ALL THAT IS and accept that you are an individual aspect of ALL THAT IS.
- To acknowledge is to recognise, or re-cognise, that is, once again experience knowing.
- To acknowledge that you are an individual aspect of ALL THAT IS, is to accept your true self, the infinite being that you truly are.
- What you are being, you experience, and it is your experience of being yourself that you are here for.
-Therefore, what you choose to be will determine your experience, and only through your experience can you express self-mastery within the physical.

"Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of man: his number is 666" - revelations.

In numerology the number of man is the number 9, the three-fold number, representing idealism, responsibility and ambition. 6+6+6=18. 1+8=9. The number 6 is the creative number. When lived positively, very creative. When lived negatively, very destructive. The three 6's positively are truth/joy/love. The three 6's negatively are lies/pain/fear. Mankind creates its own experience of life by following the principles of the positive or negative aspect of the number 6.
What is truth ? THAT THE ONENESS IS ALL.
What is joy ? ALL THAT THE ONENESS IS.
What is love ? THE ONENESS THAT IS ALL.
What is life ? ALL THAT THE ONENESS IS.
Who am I ? THE ONENESS THAT ALL IS.
Therefore, you can choose to express truth, joy, love through thoughts, words and actions to create your experience of life as an individual aspect of ALL THAT IS. Your life will then be ALL THAT THE ONENESS IS and you will be THE ONENESS THAT ALL IS. Said another way, you will experience yourslef as you truly are, infinite love, a master of yourself.

Now asking the question "What can we do?", you can see the answer is as simple as "BE YOURSELF". To be yourself, your true infinite self, unconditional love, is the greatest gift that you can give to yourself and all of creation.

Here is my commitment to LOVE, life itself.
1. I recognise that LOVE is life itself, the creator of all.
2. I recognise LOVE, life itself, in all of creation and acknowledge that all of life is one. Therefore, we all come from, are a part of and are LOVE, life itself, expressed.
3. I choose, moment to moment, to describe who I truly am, an individuated expression of LOVE, life itself.
4. I choose to re-present who I truly am, so that LOVE, life itself, flows from and through who I truly am, for-giving to all.
5. I choose to love the perfection that I am.
My life is an opportunity to describe LOVE, life itself, in all of LOVES infinite ways, through the life that I live. Thank you LOVE for this opportunity.

WHAT WOULD LOVE DO NOW ?

THERE IS NO DESIRE,
THAT'S GREATER FOR ME,
THAN TO INSPIRE,
LOVE ETERNALLY.

FOR I HAVE BEEN GIFTED,
WITH LOVE TO SPEAK,
AND BEEN UPLIFTED,
TO KNOWLEDGE THAT I SEEK.

THIS KNOWLEDGE IS TRUE,
IT LEADS TO JOY,
A GIFT FOR ME AND YOU,
WITH LOVE TO EMPLOY.

FOR LOVE IS ALL THAT IS,
AND WILL ALWAYS SHOW YOU HOW,
WHEN YOUR QUESTION IS,
"WHAT WOULD LOVE DO NOW ?".


I AM AN ANGEL

I AM AN ANGEL TRUE,
WITH NO PLACE I FEAR TO TREAD,
AND THIS KNOWLEDGE I GIVE TO YOU,
FOR YOUR SOUL TO BE FED.

YOU TRULY ARE IMMORTAL,
NO DEATH THERE IS FOR YOU,
YOUR MIND AND BODY A PORTAL,
FOR YOUR SOUL TO SHINE THROUGH.

FOR WHEN YOUR SOUL DOES SHINE,
ALL PLACES ARE ALIGHT,
YOU TRULY ARE DIVINE,
AN ANGEL NOW IN FLIGHT.

WITH NOTHING YOU CANNOT DO,
AND NO PLACE YOU CANNOT GO,
IT'S NOW UP TO YOU,
TO LET YOUR LOVE SHOW.

[anoninnyc]

is economic boycott. even in tiny little things like not going to starbucks. not buying paris hilton and much modern rap music. it is hard to do though, because you would have to be a farmer or survivalist, but still do your best not to put more money in their pockets.

[procyon]

Some good responses. In regards to love, my child is on the street. A car is rampaginf down the road. My love motivates me to move him/her out of the way and if I die and get hit so be it. I am not ignorant in any way to the car. I totally understand the situtation. Do I know or care if the driver is intentionally running him/her down, or if the driveer is drunk (on power maybe) , or whatever. The fact of the matter is that I know what happens to a child when they get hit by a speeding car and the motivations of the driver are useless to me. I can see the danger to the child and I act on my love for said child. Doesn't have to be a kid either, just using a child for argument's sake. What most of you are implying is that I should sit back and let it all happen against my better judgement. The child might survive, but will it be a vegetable, no legs? Sometimes you are put here for a reason. Sometimes you have to act for those who are not able to. Perhaps when the government is faced with a huge gathering of voices, maybe they might actually listen and no blood need be spilled? If not at least the world can see what kind of dicks are currently in charge. People who attack and maim unnarmed people who wish for peace are not honorable. You don't a let a hardcore pedophile become principle of a school, and if you know he is, you sure as hell don't leave him in his position. Least of all pray he will quit on his own accord, by not giving in to his urges. Some people can be blinded by love and that is wreckless and uncaring. You have a brain for a reason, and life is meant to be lived. We have a duty and responsibility to everyone around us. Locally and globally.

Boycotting is definately a much more effective tool than people believe. Problem is it really only works when done en masse. Bikes are often looked down on too, but if millions had bikes gas consumption would go down a little. Not to mention the healthy aspects of bicycling. Live your life with love as your guide but don't be afraid to stand up for yourself and those around you. Chaos reigns when people don't know how to work with one another in the event of disaster. You are so worried about sending love and being seen as so peaceful and righteous that you ignore the plight and struggle and the danger looming right in front of you which threatens those people and planet you say you love so much. Anyways, that is just how I feel and I do not expect everyone here to agree with me.

[neondestiny]

I think there are some really good ideas here, live positively, don't feed the machine, control your own thoughts, band together, send some fuzzy light and peace, pray like mad, peaceful protest, do nothing.
I have no "solution" I don't think we are quite ready for a "solution" otherwise the "real messiah" would be here and say follow me I know the way (said tongue in cheek)
Lots of people spruking love and awareness, but is anyone really prepared to show "unconditional love" which really means loving your enemy, loving the evil that is forced upon us and more importantly loving yourself.
You can grab your cardboard sign with "the end of the world is nigh" and you may even get though to one or two people but more likely someone will ring the police then the nuthouse and have you locked up for the protection of society, or worse still shot because you "know too much" and "they" want to shut you up.
Band together- now that is an interesting thought, there are people starving in other countries, children dying by the 2nd from starvation and malnutrition and disease that we enable to happen, by sitting back getting our paycheck and spending it all on ourselves. (Their governments keep them oppressed too, if you handed over your money to them, how much "really" reaches those starving kids anyway)
Unconditional love is helping the helpless, without wanting or needing to stroke our ego's with thank you's. The ego is a mighty thing, too much of self absorbed awareness in this world.
Sure we can get a large group of people together to storm the pentagon, but let's not forget how the government works, they will treat us like children and let us think we have won until the sheeple think hmm the government is not so bad after all.
The way I see it there really is nothing we can do, but sit, wait, be positive, live a happy fuzzy life until the time that we are needed to be prepared comes.
Who knows the end may not even happen, or not in the way it is thought anyway.

[sean~infinte]

kl replys guys keep em comin

[deca]

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

[deca]

Lets make music,media
educate people, go on demostrations,
show people that there are better ways of life than whats forced on us
research good companys and products

[howlingmad]

The way to take the bite out of the beast is to remove the teeth. The more you can influence others to NOT become police, soldiers, prison guards, gangsters, etc. the more ineffectual the "leaders" become. By themselves, they are powerless. It is only through their influence over others that they gain power.

What do soldiers, police, prison guards and gangsters have in common? They rely on the use of physical force to control others. Whenever you fall into this trap, the results remain the same. One person regards the other as less than human, and deserving of oppression. If humanity is to survive as a species (if we survive the galactic explosion wave in 2012) we must break free of this paradigm. Let's start today!

[albie]

I don't think we can do anything. But we could get our facts right over these conspiracy theories then nobody could debunk us. We could then post our findings to every masonic lodge and every mp.

As a newbie to all this stuff I've found a lot of crap being put out by theorists. Like the protocols of zion and Pike's letter.

Not encouraging to new people getting an interest.

I really think you guys have missed out on your responsibilities.:cool:

(why do I feel so faint?)

[celtic isis]

Hi everyone, nice to meet you all, what a wonderful fourm! :)

I'm new on here so a bit nervous!
I posted this already in the General Forum but i saw this thread last night and thought i'd post here too, i hope you don't mind.

Ok basically i started a thread on the site handbag.com (an extremely popular, completely mainstream site) and the thread (talking about everything we "know" about basically lol) has turned into a top thread viewed over 6 thousand times so far!!! It's causing a lot of controversy, i even have the administration on my back now too :D but at least they're talking about something that would never have been on that site before. The thread has a big following only people are scared to put their views cause a few people invaded it and are really giving me a hard time. i've really done my best but i need some help and i thought i'd ask here cause the thread is making a difference but i can't do it alone anymore. i will if i have to but i thought i'd ask here, if anyone is interested in having an input.

If i give you the link, if any of you guys would like to come over and leave a message it would be so greatly appreaciated by me and by the few people who've stuck by.

My first posts on there were rubbish lol but in the end i was getting good and i was getting private messages saying how well i was putting things, cause really none of this stuff is easy to put down in words is it, for non believers to be awoken.

hope you can find it in your hearts to help, thanks for taking the time to read this, hopefully see you soon on the thread, i'll give you the link:

http://forums.handbag.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=30&f=48

my name is "bobby girl" and it's the "this can't be true" thread...basically it started with a link to Cathy o brien's book, and i never expected it to take off the way it did.

Read on into the middle to see my better posts lol I feel so embarrassed by my first ones.

take care everyone :)


Vincit Omnia Veritas - Truth conquers ALL

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[sean~infinte]

hey guys sorry i havent posted here been away

what question i want to ask now is this

well you see i have this problem with 2012 especialy in these last couple of days somthing doesnt seem right and after reading the "god hacking the system" in the general sub forum and reading that quote from icke on this 2012 subject it got me thinking

it does seem to be a bit of a diversion not to say it wont happen but i kno people who would so foolishly lie back and wait till then
what makes this 2012 thing more questioning is the way new age has got its dirty mits on it is this more diversity from oneness?

another question would be about LOA is that enough to sway the sytem?

david icke talks about how we can raise our frequency till thers is no vibration but what is oneness realy like? im not sure about u but i enjoy diversity not diversity as it is now but i enjoy females if u catch my drift oi oi

[child of the sun]

??? what do we do together as a nation/humans/people do to prevent those imposing there rules and laws onto us?
so basicaly what can we do?:confused:
every opinion is valued as the next1:)

One can choose to play their game
Or
One can choose to create one's own game

What do you choose

-_-

[geospirit]

WE are creating our own reality, through our thoughts words and actions.
The dramas that are playing out are of the old energy,
the earth is rebalancing herself, the sun is energizing us and the cosmos is in control,
this is where our power lies: what kind of world do you want?
Let go of what is not right, surrender the problems and dream of a new life for yourself.
Think big and beautiful.
It may sound strange and some of you are just going to scoff, I know, but it's the true reality.
The next few years are setting us up for 2012,
never mind what the fear mongers say,
go with the flow and let everyone have their hissy fits if neccessary but do not take it on.
Instead live through your heart and find the beauty in all things,
understanding that we are all one and what we think, feel, say and do to ourselves and others we also upon the rest of the world.

Maybe this will resonate with some of you:
http://www.starchildglobal.com/starchild/february2007.html

Live well, Love much, Laugh often

[mada88]

Don't bother wasting too much energy telling people who won't listen. I like that term someone used on this forum about using baby steps. Maybe its about waiting till the right to step in and offer another view on the matter. I believe its all about the inner not the outer. So concentrate on yourself and get yourself shorted out first lol

[auron]

"Eat mushrooms folks! and squeegie your third eye!" - Bill Hicks

[hew1]

Someone else posted the {link} Googlevideo version of this (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6410112404402873027&q=the+naked+truth), so it's one take and not 5 parts. I found it fascinating and right in line with what Icke talks about. Alchemist2012 either hasn't read any of David's books, or sees this forum as a place to "save lost souls". I don't get it.

I brought up the (evil) astrological aspect of 2012 a few posts back. Astrology dates back to the Sumerian culture, probably from the Annunaki. Don't forget that there seems to be at least two conflicting cultures involved in the Sumerian stories, this great "battle in heaven" mentioned in virtually all of the world's ancient scriptures.

I studied astrology in my youth and found it to be amazingly accurate (as accurate as any interpretive study can get, I suppose), but also considered the willingness of others to agree with a given interpretation. It's funny that alchemist2012 declares astrology to be evil ('cause the Bible tells me so), but completely misses the evil in the Bible.

I don't want to go on about astrology, but there is a predicted cosmic event that will occur in ~2012, though no precise dates have been given, i.e., December 21st, 2012 (right, I'm not British) and that is an alignment of our solar system, or more precisely the Earth and Sun with the Galactic Equator, in other words a "solar eclipse" of the Galactic Center. In terms of astrology, a mighty powerful conjunction, but I have no idea what it could mean. See this for in-depth info regarding this astronomical event:
http://alignment2012.com/whatisGA.htm

One more for alchemist2012: read 1 Samuel 15:35. Read the whole story so it's not taken out of context; but that passage says,"...and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel." You have to ask yourself what kind of "God" would have regret and repent of anything "He" did. Certainly not an omniscient god. This passage proves that God makes mistakes. I don't mean that in a literal sense. The "God" represented here is a concensus creation by those that believe in "Him". Since it is a creation of humans, this god has human characteristics, including human faults: anger, vengefulness, genocide (directly and by proxy), jealosy, regret, etc. Can this really be regarded as the ultimate source of all the energy of the universe?

Don't worship the Bible, dude.
I have just tried to watch these videos on both youtube and google,and guess what they are both off of the net.Whatever they were all about you can bet you bottom dollar it was all true.

[isa37]

awareness every second of your/my life.....
what do I eat, how do I eat, how do I sit, how do I speak, what do I do with my energy, how do I treat my children, the dog, the cat and the chickens...
In every situation think: how can I help, how can I make a difference, clean the staircase of my block of flats, join with others who can help as well.
Also ask a lot of questions....in the most loving and polite way...
I read on this site of someone being stopped by the police while going to the park with his son.
Ask them why do they stop you....are they aware of the real reason they are doing what they are doing....
And more than anything else watch what I think.
I can fool myself pretending I am doing well and still think crap.
And last of all humour, taking nothing too heavily (expecially ourselves) always helps.
I don't think there is any other way.

[tinmenace]

awareness every second of your/my life.....
what do I eat, how do I eat, how do I sit, how do I speak, what do I do with my energy, how do I treat my children, the dog, the cat and the chickens...
In every situation think: how can I help, how can I make a difference, clean the staircase of my block of flats, join with others who can help as well.
Also ask a lot of questions....in the most loving and polite way...
I read on this site of someone being stopped by the police while going to the park with his son.
Ask them why do they stop you....are they aware of the real reason they are doing what they are doing....
And more than anything else watch what I think.
I can fool myself pretending I am doing well and still think crap.
And last of all humour, taking nothing too heavily (expecially ourselves) always helps.
I don't think there is any other way.



Wise words

[celtic isis]

Don't bother wasting too much energy telling people who won't listen. I like that term someone used on this forum about using baby steps. Maybe its about waiting till the right to step in and offer another view on the matter. I believe its all about the inner not the outer. So concentrate on yourself and get yourself shorted out first lol

as much i have HUGE respect for david icke i wish he'd take some of his own advice sometimes lol and do just that, 'baby steps' cause he articulates the whole agenda so well, and how it's been brought about, but then he goes in to the reptilian thing and people can't concept that the human race could've been manipulated in anyway never mind that the ones responsible could be a reptilian alien race who messed with our DNA and who they themselves have this 'blue blood' and are the ruling monarchs of yesterday, still in power today in our governments...

I understand that he came across this in his research and obviously, feels compelled to write about it...from where i am now i know that anything is possible and the reptilian thing makes sense when you know the whole story, but it's better to keep to the actual stuff we can see, all of us, going on in our world and try and help people to see it hasn't happened by accident. It's so OBVIOUS to all of us cause we know lol, but there are so many people who blindly believe everything they see on the news and never question it cause it's the "news", it's fact pure and simple when it's not lol it's just a version of the events, the one version they want us to accept. It does my nut in lol

In any case, a hundred years from now, david was right, they will be talking about 'this' and him. :)

There's so many sheep out there though...it's true, just be the change you want to see around you, as ghandi said. If you're happy inyourself and know when it's "a piece of shit, walk away" :) then hopefully things will get better...i've tried to make a difference with a thread i started but lol i got sucked in arguing and that's not the way to go but in fairness, even Dale Carnagie would have a job being diplomatic with people so conditioned as that lol

:D

[tinmenace]

Yes, there are a lot of people that have been indoctrinated since birth, and their natural instincts suppressed. So, for people like this, it's going to be a HUGE splintering of the mind to understand what's going on around them.

I try not to focus too much on them because it's just so much work and really not much in the way of results. Focus instead on those that are curious about what you have to say and want to know more.

For some reason my boss brought up 9/11 the other day. We spoke about the Pentagon, and I asked him how it is possible for a 757 to fly at ground level at 300 miles per hour without tipping the wings once, or without the belly of the plane hitting once. All this supposedly by an inexperienced pilot. He couldn't really answer, but said something stupid like "I'm no expert". Typical of robots like him...you don't need to be an expert to see the blatant holes in the official story. He said that it wasn't going at 300 miles per hour, it was more like 100 miles per hour and easier to maneuver it into position like that. "Oh really? Well, a car traveling at 100 miles per hour that hits a wall will not completely disintegrate, and what you're telling me is that an entire 757 traveling at 100 miles per hour completely disintegrated?" He didn't have an answer for that. In fact he knew nothing about Building 7 either. He thought it was a 10 storey building. I had to prove to him that it was nearly 50 storeys tall, and even showed him the fires before hand and video footage of the collapse. All he said "hmm, that's interesting..."

So, here is a man earning many times more than what I am because he's supposed to be smarter than I, when in fact he's a complete moron. Argues a point that he HASN'T EVEN RESEARCHED! If I had to try to convince him of a reptilian bloodline, his head would explode. He can't even get his mind wrapped around the basic evidence of 9/11, and that's without even mentioning conspiracy...that's just basic science.

So, don't feel alone.... :o

[celtic isis]

Yes, there are a lot of people that have been indoctrinated since birth, and their natural instincts suppressed. So, for people like this, it's going to be a HUGE splintering of the mind to understand what's going on around them.

I try not to focus too much on them because it's just so much work and really not much in the way of results. Focus instead on those that are curious about what you have to say and want to know more.

For some reason my boss brought up 9/11 the other day. We spoke about the Pentagon, and I asked him how it is possible for a 757 to fly at ground level at 300 miles per hour without tipping the wings once, or without the belly of the plane hitting once. All this supposedly by an inexperienced pilot. He couldn't really answer, but said something stupid like "I'm no expert". Typical of robots like him...you don't need to be an expert to see the blatant holes in the official story. He said that it wasn't going at 300 miles per hour, it was more like 100 miles per hour and easier to maneuver it into position like that. "Oh really? Well, a car traveling at 100 miles per hour that hits a wall will not completely disintegrate, and what you're telling me is that an entire 757 traveling at 100 miles per hour completely disintegrated?" He didn't have an answer for that. In fact he knew nothing about Building 7 either. He thought it was a 10 storey building. I had to prove to him that it was nearly 50 storeys tall, and even showed him the fires before hand and video footage of the collapse. All he said "hmm, that's interesting..."

So, here is a man earning many times more than what I am because he's supposed to be smarter than I, when in fact he's a complete moron. Argues a point that he HASN'T EVEN RESEARCHED! If I had to try to convince him of a reptilian bloodline, his head would explode. He can't even get his mind wrapped around the basic evidence of 9/11, and that's without even mentioning conspiracy...that's just basic science.

So, don't feel alone.... :o

too funny tinmenace, tell me about it. :D :rolleyes:
you should be his boss!

That 'im no expert" cop out...ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH! :D sorry

[starfire56]

In answer to that question. Things over the last ten years have transformed more people, it spreads like the awakening realisation that something is coming,something very big and very real, perhaps more and more people are awakening from the slumber of illusions. They realise the world as it is, IS WRONG. These Reptillians are so afraid of us, Icke is riight, thinking positive suffocates them, makes them diminish in power , if we raise the consciousness and vibrations of all the people, increasing in numbers together we are strong. To higher frequencies ,more spirituality WE can function better.We are more protected IN THIS WAY. The higher powers have more power than we imagine, plus the pleaiedians and other aliens are coming to our aid and are overseeing our survival. They are the protectors and speakers for us on a GALACTICAL LEVEL.. We are not without power in this situation. The reptillians have to answer to someone surely? The Demons are below and have to stay below, they are imprisoned, They are in hell and heaven will win over all. THE ANGELS fight , The space ships are not all bad aliens you know, they battle on our behalf. I tend to trust in the higher realms to guide us on how to bring this about, David Icke and others are the truth seekers, speaking for humanity ,as it is in danger. THAT IS THIER LIFE PURPOSE! To prepare the way for what is to come. I would like to see more of us, but I have to be careful who I approach,but have had a good response so far but I do not insist they believe. I reason and leave it to them, One woman I lent THE CHILDREN OFTHE MATRIX to was horrified,terrified, upset and she speaks to me and says not for not wanting to take up the torch of truth, but she chose to go back to THE MATRIX THEORY. some do not want to believe. sad but you can lead an horse to water but you can not make them drink it. But for those who know inwardly like I do,I consider it a privelidge.I really do, I love this world and all it's lifeforms, PROOF WILL COME! IT WILL COME, THERE ARE TOO MANY OF US THAT WILL NOT TAKE THE BULLSHIT ANYMORE. I WRITE ON THE WHITE EDGE OF BANK NOTES 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. I WRITE www,davidicke,com on it as well , Flouride in your driniking water, is rat poison. in your toothpaste as well. On the white edge does not deface it. the queen bloodline hey. The reptillians poison us, drug us make us fat, ill and diseased yet they cannot break the human spirit, besides we have souls but they are hive mentallity,they have only one aim destruction of the human race, LOCUSTS OF THE UNIVERSE. They hate us and dispise us for our unique gifts it can not be bought or sold, They invent machines to extract a soul out of thier hybrids, besides think about it. How can these few bloodlines who never agree and plot to destroy eachother and kill eachother ever stay in control. they can not even control or rule themselves. IT IS OBVIOUS TO ME WHO WILL WIN. THE HUMAN RACE, BELIEVE AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS. LOVE IS EFFORTLESS, EVER FLOWING, SERENE AND PEACEFUL. look my freinds how far we have come over the last 20 years, books are available that never were, advice, it is all there for us to just reach and take the chance off the shelf, your higher soul knows it and reaches for the truth, always. an abundance of spirituality is available to you now, seek seeker and find the answers. starfire 56;)

[gordonfreeman]

Yes, we live in a World of Fantasy. But people who are brain-washed and manipulated think this is all real reality. The human race all have souls, but their low spirituality vibration causes us to be control easy most of the time. The New World Order is a human elite controlled and directed by the not-so-friendly Reptilians. Hell, we even have some reptilians members in this forum, who are positive.

[3ill]

Personally, I'm a comic book artist. I'm studying subliminals in an effort to trow some messages to the subconcious. Use their own tactics against them, I suppose. I also use Sigils in my art.

3'LL

[pollock]

Personally, I'm a comic book artist. I'm studying subliminals in an effort to trow some messages to the subconcious. Use their own tactics against them, I suppose. I also use Sigils in my art.

3'LL

Wow, nice, do you have any examples of your art?

Love
F

[father ted]

It does not have to be corupt......we let it be and accept it
yep marching and rioting going to play write into there game
we have to educate the people so even the police militry see these vapiars sucking the life of this planet for what they are.

Deca, take some mushrooms:)

[3ill]

Wow, nice, do you have any examples of your art?

Love
F


http://thecancerman.deviantart.com/gallery/

Some of the pic in this gallery are old. The first page is all this years stuff. Some is simply commercial work / Contract work.

I'll be releasing my webcomic online this summer called Special Edition. It deals with alot of my knowledge and transformation, in cryptic form. It's essentially a Giant, cryptic, pop-culture-fed autobiography, dealing with alot of things like the afterlife, aliens, occult practices in the elite, superheroes, parallel dimensions, special ops military, religion (I have a Jesus character who isn't exacly what he seems), etc. A real kitchen sink.

I'll probably end up posting it when it comes up (May-june area) as long as it's not spam to do so. It'll be free, monthly, and honestly geared toward open minded people who still want a fun story. Think Gran Morrison meets Jaime Hewlett.

Peace,
3'LL

[celtic isis]

Wow, nice, do you have any examples of your art?

Love
F

i second that from pollock, i'd love to see your art 3ill :)

yeah use their own tactics against them that's what i say too!

ok you've already posted i just see it now lol

[celtic isis]

cheers for the link 3ill, love the "liquid threat" ;)

hey you're not an x-phile by any chance? ;) cancerman :) brought back wam fuzzy memories of my fav show when i was a kid lol

[celtic isis]

In answer to that question. Things over the last ten years have transformed more people, it spreads like the awakening realisation that something is coming,something very big and very real, perhaps more and more people are awakening from the slumber of illusions. They realise the world as it is, IS WRONG. These Reptillians are so afraid of us, Icke is riight, thinking positive suffocates them, makes them diminish in power , if we raise the consciousness and vibrations of all the people, increasing in numbers together we are strong. To higher frequencies ,more spirituality WE can function better.We are more protected IN THIS WAY. The higher powers have more power than we imagine, plus the pleaiedians and other aliens are coming to our aid and are overseeing our survival. They are the protectors and speakers for us on a GALACTICAL LEVEL.. We are not without power in this situation. The reptillians have to answer to someone surely? The Demons are below and have to stay below, they are imprisoned, They are in hell and heaven will win over all. THE ANGELS fight , The space ships are not all bad aliens you know, they battle on our behalf. I tend to trust in the higher realms to guide us on how to bring this about, David Icke and others are the truth seekers, speaking for humanity ,as it is in danger. THAT IS THIER LIFE PURPOSE! To prepare the way for what is to come. I would like to see more of us, but I have to be careful who I approach,but have had a good response so far but I do not insist they believe. I reason and leave it to them, One woman I lent THE CHILDREN OFTHE MATRIX to was horrified,terrified, upset and she speaks to me and says not for not wanting to take up the torch of truth, but she chose to go back to THE MATRIX THEORY. some do not want to believe. sad but you can lead an horse to water but you can not make them drink it. But for those who know inwardly like I do,I consider it a privelidge.I really do, I love this world and all it's lifeforms, PROOF WILL COME! IT WILL COME, THERE ARE TOO MANY OF US THAT WILL NOT TAKE THE BULLSHIT ANYMORE. I WRITE ON THE WHITE EDGE OF BANK NOTES 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. I WRITE www,davidicke,com on it as well , Flouride in your driniking water, is rat poison. in your toothpaste as well. On the white edge does not deface it. the queen bloodline hey. The reptillians poison us, drug us make us fat, ill and diseased yet they cannot break the human spirit, besides we have souls but they are hive mentallity,they have only one aim destruction of the human race, LOCUSTS OF THE UNIVERSE. They hate us and dispise us for our unique gifts it can not be bought or sold, They invent machines to extract a soul out of thier hybrids, besides think about it. How can these few bloodlines who never agree and plot to destroy eachother and kill eachother ever stay in control. they can not even control or rule themselves. IT IS OBVIOUS TO ME WHO WILL WIN. THE HUMAN RACE, BELIEVE AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS. LOVE IS EFFORTLESS, EVER FLOWING, SERENE AND PEACEFUL. look my freinds how far we have come over the last 20 years, books are available that never were, advice, it is all there for us to just reach and take the chance off the shelf, your higher soul knows it and reaches for the truth, always. an abundance of spirituality is available to you now, seek seeker and find the answers. starfire 56;)


YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT STARFIRE! :D

hey isn't starfire the term used to describe the menstrual blood that is drunk by satanists...maybe i'm really wrong there lol


hey starfire that's a brilliant idea!!writing things on notes!!! i'm so going to do that from now on!!!! i had never thought of that! :o :D BRILLIANT!!!:D

take care sister or brother hard to tell on here sometimes :o xxxxxxx

[3ill]

cheers for the link 3ill, love the "liquid threat" ;)

hey you're not an x-phile by any chance? ;) cancerman :) brought back wam fuzzy memories of my fav show when i was a kid lol


Everyone asks that. Honestly, I was really self destructive when I was young(er, I'm 23) and 'The Cancerman' became a nickname for that part of my personality. Now it's only there as I don't feel like making a new account and uploading everything.

Peace,
3'LL

[mada88]

??? what do we do together as a nation/humans/people do to prevent those imposing there rules and laws onto us?
so basicaly what can we do?:confused:
every opinion is valued as the next1:)

we are not humans. if you think you are human your just conferming how good the illusion is. Oh and we are not awake we are just squinting our eyes (visual cortexs) abit. Maybe you should do some reality check to see if your dreaming.

[sean~infinte]

i agree classing us as human is just another word and diversity in this illusion

when im saying human im mearly pointing to the genectic sapce suits classes as humans in the illusion its ether that or consciouncnuss stuck in the time loop/matrix

we are awake to the manipulation of the human (or what is at this level collectively known as human) mind

this thread was started becuase i wanted to see other peoples creative and unique insights to undoubtably what will be the biggest thing that will happen to our earthly history a return to the source or oneness

and im happy to see that moe people have contributed here even if for a couple of days no one has there will always be a new person sharing there input

it would be nice if this was a sticky so that every one could put there input in for the months/years to come

[mada88]

i agree classing us as human is just another word and diversity in this illusion

when im saying human im mearly pointing to the genectic sapce suits classes as humans in the illusion its ether that or consciouncnuss stuck in the time loop/matrix

we are awake to the manipulation of the human (or what is at this level collectively known as human) mind

this thread was started becuase i wanted to see other peoples creative and unique insights to undoubtably what will be the biggest thing that will happen to our earthly history a return to the source or oneness

and im happy to see that moe people have contributed here even if for a couple of days no one has there will always be a new person sharing there input

it would be nice if this was a sticky so that every one could put there input in for the months/years to come

Maybe the reason people don't wake up fully is because of there strong chained attachtments to family/friends etc? Below is an article from montalk.com about waking up. And another about conscious awakening. If i've posted (sorry pasted :)) these before I was probably on the skunk ;)

You are Dreaming

montalk.net :: (CC) 20 January 03

Are you asleep or awake? What about people you interact with daily? Most will answer that they are awake, and that those around them are awake as well. It’s a simple question with an easily determined answer, or so it seems.

Not all is as it seems. Rather than two states of being, there are at least four. The mind and body can be asleep or awake independently of each other.

With mind and body awake, one is truly awake. With mind and body asleep, one is dreaming. With mind awake and body asleep, one is lucid-dreaming.With mind asleep and body awake, one is sleepwalking. Gradations exist between these four states, ranging from hypnotism and trance to daydreaming and dim consciousness.

The common understanding of what it means to be “awake” disguises the truth. In truth, most who call themselves awake are actually not awake at all. They are either hypnotized, dimly conscious, sleepwalking, daydreaming, or in a state of trance. What all these states have in common is that the conscious core of the individual is absent or passive, blowing like a leaf in the winds of environmental stimuli.

Waking Dreams

We dream while physically asleep. But for many, dreams do not end in the morning. Getting up, showering, eating, working, watching TV—all those are continuations of a dream state that remains essentially uninterrupted, 24 hours a day.

You may realize how in dreams our sense of reality is disabled and we submit our attention to the most ridiculous dramas and scenarios. In dreams, we make the strangest “logical” associations that amount to no logic at all, have little say in what happens to us, do things impulsively, and never question our reality or observe ourselves.

Because people tend to be mentally asleep while going about their daily business, they carry out exactly the same behavior. All that limits them is the stability of their physical environment. Nevertheless, they are just as easily suggestible, capable of false logic, and in passive submission to the environment as during their nightly dreams.

Observe what people do and say, the anecdotes and gossip they speak, how they may communicate via recitations of lines from movies or TV shows, speak in trite memetic phrases without conscious thought or originality, engage in ludicrous programmed behavior, engross themselves in petty dramas, and switch to goofy or borrowed personalities that you never question—as long as you are asleep.

The world and society is an insane asylum, but everyone is too asleep to notice the insanity. Just as you may not question insane dreams while having them, so do most people not question their insane lives. But, if you observe yourself, return your focus of attention to your present location and moment in time, then observe those around you with this perspective, you will see that they are virtually sleepwalking. Ever wish you could observe another person’s dreams? Well, your wish is granted – just observe others and you will see them behaving exactly as they would in dreams, were their dream environments as stable as this physical one.

The moment you forget yourself and become fully absorbed in what you perceive, you are no longer awake. You have forgotten about your own consciousness and are in a hypnotic trance focused entirely upon the object of your thoughts or perceptions. At that point, your freewill is surrendered and you become a machine, input and output determined by what enthralls you.

The implications of mass somnambulism is obvious. With billions of people asleep, those in power who are awake have the advantage. Sleeping people are easily controlled. Their conscious core exists within a mental prison, harnessed for time, labor, and energy. They possess little or no freewill because they have abandoned the awareness necessary to utilize it.

Escaping the Matrix

The purpose of this article is to urge you to realize that being truly awake is a very rare state, but that it is vitally important to strive for it, to realize the necessity of true waking consciousness. Without it, your life is not yours. Without it, you will die in your sleep, like everyone else. Some say ignorance is bliss, and to die in sleep is a good, but these are words of the insane.

This is one small step toward escaping the influence of the Matrix, the Predator, the General Law. You must realize that most of you have been, and probably still are asleep; that those who sleep are living a lie, and therefore your life has been a lie; that those around you who are sleepwalking, with their petty dramas and mechanical greetings, are not to be taken seriously because they are not in control of themselves.

You are the guardian of the fortress that is your reality, so don’t let down your guard. Entities exist that would gladly rearrange unguarded sectors of your reality. Plan ahead and remember past lessons, but don’t lose yourself in the moment; just be and act in the moment, with full consciousness of your own awareness. This is impossible to do all the time, but the more you strive for it, the longer you stay lucid.

Lucid Memories

Lucidity is the key to continuity of awareness and depth of memory. Some people have good memories despite being asleep – this type of memory is purely mechanical and lacks understanding or the infusion of potential creative use, and is no different from computer memory. Computer memory can be easily rewritten, rearranged, corrupted, swapped, or made self-contradictory, but lucidly acquired memory is whole, holographic, and real. This wholeness forms a kernel of objectivity upon which other lucid memories and knowledge can grow, to build within oneself a solid, consistent, and conscious core.

During states of mental sleep, ones memory is subjective. Consequently one’s identity is subjective, consisting of whichever role one plays at the moment. Within the subjective mind exist numerous subjective roles that take the lead upon cues from the environment. Within such a mind, there is no order, consistent growth, stability, or objectivity.

The path to awakening is to make one identity within you supreme over all others, The Identity that is your conscious core, present when you observe your own awareness rooted in the present moment and location. All perceptions and thoughts that pass through this original identity become lucid memories, internally consistent and whole. Staying lucid while living, working, thinking, and creating, accumulates lucid memories. When recalled, such memories are experienced in the present moment, and all such memories thus comprise direct knowledge of reality and time as it truly exists, without past or future. Linear time is illusion, and your conscious core knows this. Lucid memories reflect this truth.

As you practice staying truly awake, more lucid memories are accrued until a critical point is reached when the siren songs grow quiet. Then, very rarely will you be lulled back beneath the surface of lucidity. The strength and will of your true inner self grows considerably and asserts its rightful superiority over internal illusory identities. In tandem, the strength of your presence within the external environment also grows. No longer will you be a passive machine, but an active infuser of creative influences. Not only do the shackles fall off, but the prison becomes an open playground.

Conclusion

This talk of lucidity and true wakefulness may sound simplistic and idealistic, but it is real, possible, and worth pursuing. The works of Gurdjieff, Boris Mouravieff, Castaneda, and John Baines are excellent resources for those who desire to study the mechanics and necessary details involved in escaping the talons of the Matrix. For the sake of your destiny, please wake up.

Stages of Conscious Awakening

montalk.net :: (CC) 17 August 05

It is imperative that we awaken from mundane awareness into full spiritual remembrance of who we are. The problem is that even when physically awake, we can still be mentally asleep, unaware of ourselves and entirely absorbed in whatever mechanical impulse or external stimuli captures our attention. This state of confluence, or mental absorption, keeps us in an unproductive dream state.

When unaware that we are dreaming at night, without question we give ourselves over to the most foolish and draining dreams. During the day this dim state of consciousness does not automatically go away and one can continue to be as much a slave to biological impulses, involuntary thoughts, and social dramas.

The first step to awakening requires breaking out of this confluence by gaining a degree of lucidity, a measure of self-awareness. At any moment you can turn your attention inward and observe yourself, placing your attention firmly in the present moment. You can notice your thoughts, analyze your feelings, pay attention to the sensations in your body, feel your breath.

In doing so, you soon become aware that all these perceptions are still originating from outside of “you” even if they are happening inside your own mind. That is because at the very core of your mind is a center of perception that defines the true you while the peripheral territory of your mind is inhabited by thoughts that may or may not be your own. This inner core is the silent observer, the consciousness watching through your eyes and thinking through your mind.

Becoming lucid depends on being cognizant of your own self-awareness. Some call this a state of self-remembering since confluence is forgetting yourself. Lucidity is as simple as turning within and remembering yourself in the moment. Remembering yourself stops confluence, and stopping confluence is the first step to truly remembering your spiritual identity. It is one thing to know that you are, but quite another to know who you are. The first leads eventually to the second.

Being consciously present in the moment is easy to implement but difficult to maintain. Books have been written on just this task alone. The problem is both physical and metaphysical. Initially, heightening one’s state of awareness requires both vital energy and an adequate supply of neurotransmitters. These deplete after a short period of exertion and one slips back into lowered consciousness. But like a muscle, mental focus grows with training because the physical and subtle bodies adapt to a greater demand for energy. Maintaining lucidity becomes easier; with practice, one gradually increases the length and depth of focus. Some forms of meditation assist the training of self-awareness. By practicing lucidity in a controlled setting, the same state of heightened awareness can more easily be reached and maintained under more natural circumstances.

One meditation involves repeating your thoughts. Close your eyes and pay attention to the chatter that goes through your mind. For each phrase that comes to mind, willingly repeat it to yourself once and let it go. You can also visualize a replay of random mental images. This is a way of asserting your volition over an otherwise involuntary process. By echoing, you regain power from the tyranny of mental chaos. After doing this for five or ten minutes, the momentum of self-observation will continue for a short while after. Try talking or walking and you will notice yourself being entirely aware of your words and movements. If you could maintain this state indefinitely, never again would you speak or act as in a dream.

Another meditation requires that you relax and then pay attention to every sensation in your body, starting with the top of your head and working your way down to your toes, then back to the top. The primary benefit of this type of meditation is that we become conscious of signals that are otherwise ignored and forgotten. Today, not only do we normally forget ourselves, but often we forget our own bodies. For instance, watching television or using the internet places our attention into virtual bodies that displace our own. This causes a schism between mind and body in addition to the already prevalent disconnection between self and mind. Dissociation of this type is antagonistic to higher awareness. Observing physical sensations mends the schism, which in turn assists conscious integration between self and mind.

Also, not only does meditating upon physical sensations break confluence with external provocations, it also assists in transmuting internal negative emotional energy. By observing negative emotions and the internal sensations they evoke, one keeps from entering into runaway feedback loops between thoughts and emotion that blow up into over-reactivity and a skewed sense of perception and judgment. If the negative emotion is triggered by some button-pushing event, self-awareness is a way of defusing the energy without suppressing it. If negativity is more a constant pressure without any specific trigger, then self-awareness helps one stand upright against the pull of this emotional gravity. Whatever the case, lucidity is the key to keeping one’s composure.

So observing yourself expands the bandwidth of your awareness and breaks negative forms of confluence. Returning to your center allows you to choose in the moment what to think, feel, or do next. Without self-awareness there is no choice, just a mechanical reaction to a given stimulus. By default we behave like machines, but at any moment we can regain lucidity and disengage the autopilot. But by itself, lucidity is merely a state of mindfulness that squelches mechanical reactivity but provides no wisdom in how to proceed. The sword is liberated from the stone but no map or compass is provided for the quest. And thus the need for a second stage in conscious development.

While the first stage aims to interrupt negative confluence, the second stage involves initiating positive confluence with the higher aspects of your being. Speaking from your heart, following your intuition, tapping into your subconscious, channeling your Higher Self—these are all examples of positive confluence. Here, you willingly seek out these higher impulses and let it flow as your self-awareness takes a back seat. Reflect upon times when words flowed from you that must have come from something higher, and while they were flowing you were unaware of yourself as though in a trance. This type of confluence is productive and happens from time to time even without being trained in self-observation. However, self-observation helps make these connections more consistent and intentional, otherwise they are randomly interleaved with periods of negative confluence.

The main function of the second stage is to strengthen your connection with the higher centers. By grooving a channel to these higher aspects, their influence becomes more permanent. This is important because at this stage, becoming lucid while being in the flow will momentarily interrupt the flow. For instance, speaking from your heart but then suddenly becoming aware of yourself temporarily breaks the connection. Lucidity hampers all types of confluence, even the positive types. That is, unless the flow is sufficiently strong that lucidity does not interrupt it.

To illustrate, consider how when we first drift off to sleep at night, if we catch ourselves falling asleep we immediately wake up again. In this case, the initial sleep state is not strong enough to withstand the conscious mind suddenly withdrawing from confluence. However, once one has entered deeper sleep and begun dreaming, it is possible to become lucid and continue dreaming. Those who are unskilled in lucid dreaming have difficulty maintaining their lucidity and often break out of sleep upon realizing they are dreaming, but with practice the state of lucid dreaming can be prolonged.

What does this say about positive confluence? It says that positive confluence ultimately serves to make the connection with one’s higher aspects sufficiently permanent so that one can gain self-awareness and not break the connection. This is the third stage, being simultaneously lucid and in the flow. Whereas the second stage amounted to dissolving the conscious mind into the subconscious, the third stage begins the process of raising the subconscious into the conscious.

There are two categories of meditation, one lowers consciousness and the other raises it. Both seek to unify the conscious mind with the subconscious and thereby achieve integration of the whole being, but while the first category is regressive, the second is progressive. Positive confluence is merely regaining the state mankind occupied prior to the Fall. With the Fall came development of the ego and the potential for self-awareness, though at the price of egotism and negative confluence.

The first category of meditation seeks to dissolve the ego into the subconscious so that one becomes an unconscious extension of a higher source. As an ends in itself, positive confluence is regressive because it does away with self-awareness and puts us back into a naive state of divine innocence as before the Fall. But as a means, positive confluence is a useful stepping stone toward emerging into divine consciousness, though this time with self-awareness intact so that rather than being an unconscious extension of a higher source, one evolves into that higher source. This is assisted by the second category of meditation, of which two methods were described above.

In the third stage, one practices self-awareness without interrupting the flow of impressions flowing from the higher centers. This amounts to a passive observation and gentle allowance of the influence your higher self exerts over your thoughts, feelings, words, and actions. Why is lucidity important again after it was set aside in the second stage? Because staying lucid while letting positive influences work from within is simply an act of supervising the process so that you can step in as necessary to correct deviations; positive confluence easily passes into negative because one is too absorbed to catch the switchover, but self-awareness solves the problem.

It is difficult enough to gain lucidity without interrupting the flow, which is why lucidity must at first be passive in the third stage, meaning “watch yourself but do not interfere with the expression of your heart.”

The fourth and final stage begins when the ability to balance self-awareness with positive flow becomes sufficiently permanent to allow the lower self to engage in active communion with the higher self instead of mere passive observation. In other words, once the lower self is free of negative confluence, and the higher self has a clear and permanent communication link, and both are present at the same time, a mutual flow of communication is possible. The lower self becomes an adept assimilating the wisdom and essence of the higher self, thereby rising to its level. In this way, the lower finally merges with the higher and achieves total integration of being.

In practice, the four stages of conscious awakening are not discretely sequential like grades in school. Rather, we occupy one of the stages as a primary center of gravity but can spontaneously spike into the higher levels or drop into the lower. The higher stages are trickier to access and maintain, but that does not mean we are bared from accessing them, just that without practice we access them less frequently. The glimpses we catch of the higher stages should motivate us to acquire them permanently as our new center of gravity. This is much like regular dreamers being motivated by spontaneous lucid dreams to practice and have them more frequently until it becomes the normal mode of dreaming. Higher awareness happens in flashes, like a fluorescent bulb flickering before fully igniting.

As for esoteric systems like Fourth Way claiming that the higher remains incomprehensible until the lower stages are mastered, remember that there is a difference between systems of conscious evolution and systems of conscious awakening. We are not here to grow our souls from scratch, as there is no time left for that, but rather to awaken ourselves into full spiritual remembrance.The process can be painted via the following story. A prince leaves his father’s kingdom and suffers a loss of memory then leads the life of a peasant until he grows weary of poverty. In his yearning for a better life, he suddenly remembers he is a prince and returns to see his father. From afar he watches his father carry out the duties of a king, then when certain of his own identity the prince gathers enough courage to speak with his father. In the years following this reunion, the king teaches his son all his wisdom until one day the prince himself becomes king.

The goal is to retrieve what was locked away within us, to re-establish contact with our higher centers, and ultimately remember who we are. And it all begins with self-observation and listening to your heart.

[foreverspirit]

Thanks Mada88, That was a great reminder:cool:

[mada88]

Thanks Mada88, That was a great reminder:cool:

no probs! It is all about reminding people.

[cruise4]

I thought Castaneda admitted he made it all up.

I've recently looked at Mind control, Pyramids, Chipping, Bible code, David Icke, Planets, Demons, magic, Genetics, Revelations, masons, NWO, Police state and more and still going.

Everything seems to suggest there is some truth in the bible. I don't equate Religion with whatever God means at all. Things do point towards we may have to endure the next years to acually defeat this seemingly constant evil and we will have/need greater powers than us to do it.

God helps those that help themselves
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you

These are the two things that anchor me in this sea of uncertainty and paranoia.

I am now also returning to faith (in help) somewhat.

Mind you if the soldiers all turned round and refused to fight that would be interesting.

[cruise4]

Yes, there are a lot of people that have been indoctrinated since birth, and their natural instincts suppressed. So, for people like this, it's going to be a HUGE splintering of the mind to understand what's going on around them.

I try not to focus too much on them because it's just so much work and really not much in the way of results. Focus instead on those that are curious about what you have to say and want to know more.

For some reason my boss brought up 9/11 the other day. We spoke about the Pentagon, and I asked him how it is possible for a 757 to fly at ground level at 300 miles per hour without tipping the wings once, or without the belly of the plane hitting once. All this supposedly by an inexperienced pilot. He couldn't really answer, but said something stupid like "I'm no expert". Typical of robots like him...you don't need to be an expert to see the blatant holes in the official story. He said that it wasn't going at 300 miles per hour, it was more like 100 miles per hour and easier to maneuver it into position like that. "Oh really? Well, a car traveling at 100 miles per hour that hits a wall will not completely disintegrate, and what you're telling me is that an entire 757 traveling at 100 miles per hour completely disintegrated?" He didn't have an answer for that. In fact he knew nothing about Building 7 either. He thought it was a 10 storey building. I had to prove to him that it was nearly 50 storeys tall, and even showed him the fires before hand and video footage of the collapse. All he said "hmm, that's interesting..."

So, here is a man earning many times more than what I am because he's supposed to be smarter than I, when in fact he's a complete moron. Argues a point that he HASN'T EVEN RESEARCHED! If I had to try to convince him of a reptilian bloodline, his head would explode. He can't even get his mind wrapped around the basic evidence of 9/11, and that's without even mentioning conspiracy...that's just basic science.

So, don't feel alone.... :o

You try telling them that money is a scam and why. Just the expression on their face is worth it!

[zoloko]

Yes, they look like they just feel from the sky!!
A book came out in the 60ties, called Do IT, it quickly got banned. Did anybody read that???

[foreverspirit]

Things do point towards we may have to endure the next years to acually defeat this seemingly constant evil and we will have/need greater powers than us to do it.


There's a lot of talk on this list about the forces of darkness, and the conspirators, and how everything is connected to them, and I just wonder if anyone else on this list believes in higher powers that aren't evil?

It seems to me that if everything was being controlled by those that want to oppress us, the NWO would already be there, and we couldn't stop them. It seems to me that the fact that we exist proves that there are forces working behind the scenes to protect us, as well as forces working to destroy us.

Am I alone on this one, or is there anyone here who agrees with me?


A WISE PERSON REPLIED:

I am of the oppinion that we are the force of good, and thats why the forces of "evil" are so intent on controlling us. They know that they can't beat us, so they are doing all they can to distract us from realising our true ability, which is ultimately the "power" to control our own destiny.

They would also love for us to be looking for a force for good working behind the scenes to protect us, in order to distract us from the fact that WE ARE THAT FORCE.

They know that with that knowledge and the ability to put it to practical use, they will be banished from this realm forever, so they have set up their New World Order thing with associated symbolism to hold us in their spell, and distract those that arent affected with spirtual systems that encourage us to look outside ourselves for "good" forces.

So find the POWER IN YOU, and turn it into the GOOD FORCE you want to see.:cool:

[foreverspirit]

[QUOTE=cruise4;41427]I thought Castaneda admitted he made it all up./QUOTE]


Looks like he was a freaky D. I myself thought what a nutbar when I read one of his books. Thanks goodness I experienced lucid dreaming before reading it. It would have totally turned me off of lucid dreams had I read the book first. Perhaps it was a way of casting a bad light on what I feel is a tool of tantamount importance to our breaking out of our inculcated stupor.

I have noticed meditation, spiritual contact, UFOs, ETs, Religion, Self-Help, Prayer, Castaneda, Astral Travel etc., get big time attention in the media. Lucid Dreaming however does not. Even - Vanilla Sky - twisted the beauty and asset of lucid dreaming big time!

Lucid dreaming is real and when mastered is an amazingly powerful skill! I sense they dont want anyone dwelling too much on what may be, our one and or most important link out of the haze!! All the aforementioned deals with dependancy. Being Lucid is all about Self Mastery of Awareness.:cool:

[foreverspirit]

Everything seems to suggest there is some truth in the bible.

God and The Bible

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He creates evil (Isa. 45:7),

He deceives: (Jer. 20:7).

He tells people to lie1 Sam. 16:2).

He lies: (Gen. 2:17),

He rewards liars: Ex. (1:15-20)(Joshua 2:3-6)

He orders men to become drunken: (Jer. 25:27).

He delivers a man (Job) into Satan's hands: (Job 2:6).

He mingles a perverse spirit: (Isa. 19:14).

He is not omnipotent or all powerful: (Judges 1:19).

He causes indecency: (Isaiah 20:4).

He orders stealing: (Ex. 3:22)(Deut. 20:14).

He made false and unfulfilled prophecies: (Jonah 3:4,10) (Gen. 15:13 Says 400 Years But Ex. 12:40 says 430)

He causes adultery2 Sam. 12:11-12).

He orders the taking of a harlot: (Hosea 1:2).

He orders a man to purchase his wife: (Hosea 3:1-3).

He kills repeatedly: (Num. 16:35,21:6)(Deut. 32:39)(1 Sam. 6:19)(1 Sam. 5:6) (Psalms 135:10) (Isaiah 66:16)(Jer. 13:14)Also note: Gen. 38:7,10, Ex. 22:23-24, Num. 11:1, Deut. 32:41-42, Joshua 10:10-11, 1 Sam. 5:9, Psalms 136:17-18, Hosea 9:16, Amos 2:3, Ex. 4:24, 2 Sam. 6:6-7, and 2 Kings 5:7.

He orders killing: (Lev. 26:7-8)(Num. 25:4-5)(Num. 25:17)(Deut. 20:16-17)(Joshua 10:40)(Ezek. 9:5-6)(1 Sam. 15:3,18)Also Note: Ex. 32:27-28, Num. 21:34-35, 31:7-8, 35:19-21, and Jer. 48:10.

He loses his temper: (Deut. 13:17) (Judges 3:8)(Psalm 21:9)(2 Sam. 24:1)(1 Kings 16:26)(Nahum 1:2)(2 Kings 13:3)(Ex. 32:10)(Num. 11:1)(16:46), (32:13-14), (1 Kings 14:9 15:30, 16:2, 16:7, 16:13, (2 Chron. 34:25) (Psalm 18:7) and (Jer. 44:6).

He is often jealous: I the lord thy god am a jealous god...." (Deut. 5:9, Ex. 20:5). "For the lord thy god is a jealous god among you...." (Deut. 6:15).See also: Ex. 34:14, Deut. 4:24, 29:20, Psalms 78:58, Ezek. 16:38, 36:5-6 And Joshua 24:19.

He repents. even though 1 Sam. 15:29 ("The strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent") says that god never repents, the following verses say the opposite. “It repented the lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at this heart” (Gen. 6:6) (Ex. 32:14)(1 Sam. 15:11,35)(Jer. 26:3)(Jer. 18:8)

He practices injustice: (Ex. 4:22-23)(Num. 14:18)(Deut. 23:2)(Deut. 28:32)(Joshua 22:20)(2 Sam. 12:14 21:1).

He plays favorites: we are told in (2 chron. 19:7) that, "...there is no iniquity with the lord our god, nor respect of persons, nor taking of gifts." yet, that is clearly disproved by the following comments. "for thou art an holy people unto the lord thy god: the lord thy god has chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth" (Deut. 7:6, 14:2)(1 Sam. 12:22)(1 Chron. 17:22)(Isa. 52:6)(Matt. 15:24)(John 4:22)(Gen. 4:4-5)

He sanctions slavery: (Deut. 15:17)(Titus 2:9)

He degrades deformed people: (Lev. 21:16:23).

He punishes bastards for being illegitimate: Deut. 23:2

He punishes many for the acts of one: (Gen. 3:16) (Gen. 20:18).

He punishes children for their father's sins: (Ex. 34:7)

He prevents people from hearing his words: (Isa. 6:10)(Rom. 9:18) (Matt. 13:13-14)

He orders cannibalism: Isaiah 49:26 Says, "I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh; they will be drunk on their own blood, as with wine....(Lev. 26:29 )(Jer. 19:9)(Ezek. 5:10)

He demanded 16,000 virgins be given to soldiers as war plunder and 32 be set aside for himself: (Num. 31:31-40)

He orders gambling: (Joshua 14:2)Num. (26:52-56)

He requires an unbetrothed virgin to marry her seducer: (Ex. 22:16)

He orders horses to be hamstrung: Joshua 11:6 Says, "The lord said to Joshua,...you are to hamstring their horses and burn their chariots."

He sanctions the degradation of women: (Deut. 21:10-13)

He sanctions the beating of slaves as long as the slave can arise at least a day or two after the beating: (Ex. 21:20-21)

He requires a woman to marry her rapist: Deut. 22:28-29

He trains people for war: Psalm 144:1 Says, "Praise be to the lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle."

He ordered the cooking of food with human feces: Ezek. 4:12

He killed the wicked and the righteous: Ezek. 21:3-4

He intentionally gave out bad laws: Ezek. 20:25 Says, "I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by...."

He excused the sins of prostitutes and adulterers: Hosea 4:14

He excused a murderer and promised him protection: Gen. 4:13-15

He killed a man who refused to impregnate his widowed sister-in-law: Gen. 38:8-10

He aided rather than punished a swindler: In Gen. 28:14-15

He breaks up families: Ex. 21:2-4

He orders the killing of children: Ezek. 9:6 And 1 Sam. 15:3

He killed over 50,000 people because a few looked into an ark: 1 Sam. 6:19

He mandated unlimited punishment for limited sins: Matt. 25:46 Also Rev. 14:11 and Mark 9:43-48.

Etc., Etc., Etc......................:eek:


For More on God and sweet Jesus See Posts: Questions of Elohim Parts 1 and 2 in the UFOs and ETs section. Read all carefully. Tread with great Awareness!! Careful not to give your energy to the same force that created this nightmare!:cool:

[mada88]

I don't like the word "god" because if you add an extra o it becomes "good" ???? wtf???? and with evil add a d and it becomes devil !!???
It always comes in twos lol. There just polarities that keep on vibrating each other.
About the bible I used to go with the its all nonsense aproach. But now it does have some truth in it though you have to read it properly. Also you have to understand exactly what is being said and what it means.

[cruise4]

The idea that 4 alien (to us) races are mentioned in the bible is interesting. Allows for Greys, Reptilians etc. to be 'from here' after all.

Could elements of the bible be misleading/untrue? Certainly... it seems to have drawn on ancient text from all over the place. I don't know what an 'original unadulterated bible' actually is.

God, supreme being... whatever. Its a word, not an argument.

Interesting verse quotes though.

[celtic isis]

Everyone asks that. Honestly, I was really self destructive when I was young(er, I'm 23) and 'The Cancerman' became a nickname for that part of my personality. Now it's only there as I don't feel like making a new account and uploading everything.

Peace,
3'LL

:)

aww sorry to hear you went through a tough time when you were younger 3ill, i hope that you are in a good place now, you sound it. And hey you're only a "wee babby" still! 23 (i've just turned 25 lol )

ok so that's where the cancerman name comes from then.

take care and good luck with the art work :)

[celtic isis]

we are not humans. if you think you are human your just conferming how good the illusion is. Oh and we are not awake we are just squinting our eyes (visual cortexs) abit. Maybe you should do some reality check to see if your dreaming.

this will annoy people but...i don't but this whole "it's just an illusion" business.

I do see and know that love is the only truth, and that we (the human race) are love, or should be love, but of course are too dumb and manipulated by the whole duality stuff and polar opposites to see that we are all the same and that life would be so much better for all if we would just understand that we all see life differently and experience it differently cause we experience life through our thoughts. We create it and can change it anytime we want. That i buy lol

but this isn't an illusion here. This is the physical world, it is the training ground for the spiritual realm where we return to when we 'die'. This is where our spirits evolve, and we do so in our body, our spacesuit. We move onto a different frequency when we die cause if this physical world exists then there must be an equivilant spiritual one.

It just doesn't make sense to me that this is all an illusion, i think, the only illusion is in the way in which we see life, through our own individual eyes and experience life in our own individual way. The illusion is that things like stress
exists cause it doesn't, not on its own. It only exists inside our heads cause we create it with our thinking inside our heads. Things that annoy me when i'm in a bad mood, i wouldn't even notice on another day when i'm in a good mood sort of thing. I'm real, i'm flesh and blood but also spirtual being, spirtual and material in one form. So it's half reality, half, well illusion isn't really the right word, for the spirit part, material and cosmic? lol the word escapes me now. :o Material and transcendental lol

But i really can't see how everything is an illusion here. Some aspects yes, but more so in the mind rather than the whole thing. The universe, everything has a system and is part of a system, so how can it be all an illusion? The only illusion i can see is the illusion of people who are not aware of the real goings on behind the scenes in this world and while they continue to be behind the veil this illusion keeps working against them.

If someone can help me out a bit, to see if this can make more sense to me i'd really appreciate it.

I was getting there but now, it just doesn't sound right to me. Cause things are just too real and well, i don't buy the matrix thing either lol.

There is another purpose here, for us being here. Oneness makes total sense to me and always has, we are all part of the same consciousness, the creator of everything, we are all one...

ah just this illusion stuff... sorry cause i shouldn't really post this here but seeing as it keeps being mentioned, illusion, illusion, i just can't help it lol :o

[elpee]

We need to kick the basic needs that enslave us to those goverments out of our lifes..stuff that people need in they're lives and what they will work as a fool for, without thinking clearly..no more bills for electrici,water,gas,fuel ,taxes MEDICINES that kind of shit, they will miss billions..but first everybody sgotta get the knowledge, see the game played with you..stop the enslavement and search for personal soul freedom...Its kinda hard to say this but it won't stop with a lot and a lot of sad happenings..

Start trowing away your TV, your cellphone,your car.. get sunroofs on top of your house for your energie..people lived over 1000s years without elektricy and in the last 100 years we got to the point that we cant function without it..get that shit out of your lives..only books and internet as a info platform and personal thoughs...
We have to destroy the economic system..that needs a strategic plan..but it is possible!!! We have to teach our kids right...We need, we realy need to spread the information to those rebelious unknowing youth ''culture'' like the hiphop scene as an example..THAT IS AN ENORMIOUS VOICE!!!!!!!!!!!

People need to wake the fuck up our we are about to screwing and give out of hands our planet...

[elpee]

B.I.B.L.E Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth

[celtic isis]

We need to kick the basic needs that enslave us to those goverments out of our lifes..stuff that people need in they're lives and what they will work as a fool for, without thinking clearly..no more bills for electrici,water,gas,fuel ,taxes MEDICINES that kind of shit, they will miss billions..but first everybody sgotta get the knowledge, see the game played with you..stop the enslavement and search for personal soul freedom...Its kinda hard to say this but it won't stop with a lot and a lot of sad happenings..

Start trowing away your TV, your cellphone,your car.. get sunroofs on top of your house for your energie..people lived over 1000s years without elektricy and in the last 100 years we got to the point that we cant function without it..get that shit out of your lives..only books and internet as a info platform and personal thoughs...
We have to destroy the economic system..that needs a strategic plan..but it is possible!!! We have to teach our kids right...We need, we realy need to spread the information to those rebelious unknowing youth ''culture'' like the hiphop scene as an example..THAT IS AN ENORMIOUS VOICE!!!!!!!!!!!

People need to wake the fuck up our we are about to screwing and give out of hands our planet...


well said elpee!!!!

[sean~infinte]

couldnt agree more elpee
we worry so much about material things in an ILLUSION that keep us in a vibrational prison of "who shot phil mitchel" or to a degree money

our time will come it has to

[cruise4]

I struggle with this illusion word. What are you on about? If a magician uses a illusionary trick... there's the aparent trick (or illusion) and there's how he really did it (the truth). Either way the stage or audience or world remains as was in both cases.

Same with 'spirit'... what are you on about? Unless you are suggesting a 'spiritual awakening' will mean you are no longer affected physically by anything from our 5 sense realm, then I'm afraid the spiritually awakened will die alongside anyone else. What good is a spiritual awakening? What is such a thing?

Material things can be great... eg. A Musical Instrument

What basic things that enslave us? The only things that enslave us are egotistical/sick other humans and the nefarious means they employ. Its not 'electricity' or 'oil' or anything else. Its lies and misuse.

Whether I feel good, bad or indifferent, I don't have to act on that feeling. Are people saying if we all felt good the world magically becomes a different reality and Bush disappears in a puff of nothingness or what?

I can play 'higher frequencies' on my synth. Sorry nothing changes. My synth is still there. What are you on about

Personally I can't be content unless others are also content. Consequently I have to fight in this world. I just want to be left alone to create my own small garden of eden. I need no recognition from others and I'll give but will not willingly be taken from. Thats the trouble with the NWO... they have to take and keep taking for their own validation.

If on the other hand you are saying you can't tell the difference between informed and uninformed and are relating 'spirit', 'matrix' 'illusion' as a means to get from one to the other, then I call that getting an education. No Awakening required... just a computer and internet connection.

Don't get me wrong... the truth is totally desirable. But why aren't the words truth and lie used instead of all these ambiguous terms that are kept ambiguous?

"an abundance of spirituality is available to you now" what does this mean? What is spirituality?

When I was a kid I tried an experiment. I jumped off some banisters in the full and total belief (I managed this), that I could fly. I stretched my arms out and was horizontal. Still landed hard and got winded though.

Can anyone cut through this fluffy word use, and enlighten me please? At the moment the word 'hippy**** seems the most apropriate to me because I cannot discern any meaning.

[elpee]

And also very important..How dow we stay strong?..as a individual.cuz i think that they are many people who could ''handle'' the truth about who/what is rullin the planet and stuff..but i also think that many many more will totaly gone crazy if they ever had to deal with any mass information on this scale about the lies around them. what u think ?

[elpee]

And also very important..How dow we stay strong?..as a individual.cuz i think that they are many people who could ''handle'' the truth about who/what is rullin the planet and stuff..but i also think that many many more will totaly gone crazy if they ever had to deal with any mass information on this scale about the lies around them. what u think ?:confused:

[celtic isis]

I struggle with this illusion word. What are you on about? If a magician uses a illusionary trick... there's the aparent trick (or illusion) and there's how he really did it (the truth). Either way the stage or audience or world remains as was in both cases.

Same with 'spirit'... what are you on about? Unless you are suggesting a 'spiritual awakening' will mean you are no longer affected physically by anything from our 5 sense realm, then I'm afraid the spiritually awakened will die alongside anyone else. What good is a spiritual awakening? What is such a thing?

Material things can be great... eg. A Musical Instrument

What basic things that enslave us? The only things that enslave us are egotistical/sick other humans and the nefarious means they employ. Its not 'electricity' or 'oil' or anything else. Its lies and misuse.

Whether I feel good, bad or indifferent, I don't have to act on that feeling. Are people saying if we all felt good the world magically becomes a different reality and Bush disappears in a puff of nothingness or what?

I can play 'higher frequencies' on my synth. Sorry nothing changes. My synth is still there. What are you on about

Personally I can't be content unless others are also content. Consequently I have to fight in this world. I just want to be left alone to create my own small garden of eden. I need no recognition from others and I'll give but will not willingly be taken from. Thats the trouble with the NWO... they have to take and keep taking for their own validation.

If on the other hand you are saying you can't tell the difference between informed and uninformed and are relating 'spirit', 'matrix' 'illusion' as a means to get from one to the other, then I call that getting an education. No Awakening required... just a computer and internet connection.

Don't get me wrong... the truth is totally desirable. But why aren't the words truth and lie used instead of all these ambiguous terms that are kept ambiguous?

"an abundance of spirituality is available to you now" what does this mean? What is spirituality?

When I was a kid I tried an experiment. I jumped off some banisters in the full and total belief (I managed this), that I could fly. I stretched my arms out and was horizontal. Still landed hard and got winded though.

Can anyone cut through this fluffy word use, and enlighten me please? At the moment the word 'hippy**** seems the most apropriate to me because I cannot discern any meaning.

finally someone else who speaks out about this illusion stuff! :) i hear you cruise4 ;)

the spirtual stuff is the only part i really "get" as in feel...to be spirtually enlightened is to know the truth, as in, to fell who you are, to know what happiness is (a state of being that can be felt at any time we chose), i guess it's linked to esoteric knowledge too and the ancient truths of who we are etc, what nature is about. Spirituality is also recognising our human spirit, the thing that drives us, keeps us going when things are tough.

I'd recommend a book to you by dr richard carlson, hang on i'll get a link and come back, this book is FANTASTIC and may help you to understand this better in a more simple way, cause usually spirital enlightenment is for bloody buddists and monks off in tibet, it can seem that it doesn't apply to real life, but it does, it's for everyone cause it's not complicated and it's already inside you. his book is enlightening and that isn't it's only purpose, yet it does it!

You Can be Happy No Matter What: Five Principles for Keeping Life in Perspective: Amazon.co.uk: Wayne W. Dyer, Richard Carlson: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Y5CMYA37L.@@AMEPARAM@@51Y5CMYA37L

This book shows you you can still "fight" without having the stress of fighting! If everyone on the planet read this book, we would have no problems.

read the reviews!!!! :)

My view on life now is that we are both material and spirtual beings in one form, therefore we are unique in this world as most other things are just material or people who have passed on are purly spirtual now. This is a learning centre here, a university of life from which we graduate when we reach a certain level of knowledge or "just knowing" (notice how many incredible people die young or suddenly, Steve Irwin the crocodile hunter for example amongst countless others, my mam included). Whne we die we move onto another realm/frequency and hopefully if our spirit has attained enough knowledge and evolved enough on earth we move onto the next level, otherwise, we may come back (reincarnation). But yeah, this it' all an illusion business doesn't work for me, cause this is real here, there are illusionary aspects of life on earth but the whole thing isn't an illusion.
And as you said there is nothing bad about being material! Why do we look to believe it's an illusion? i can't fly like you said cause i believe i can lol...i see that some people are less material maybe and can survive without eating etc but that doesn't mean it's illusion. I'm sick now and that's definitely not an illusion otherwise i'd damn think myself out of it!

[celtic isis]

And also very important..How dow we stay strong?..as a individual.cuz i think that they are many people who could ''handle'' the truth about who/what is rullin the planet and stuff..but i also think that many many more will totaly gone crazy if they ever had to deal with any mass information on this scale about the lies around them. what u think ?:confused:

great question elpee! and i'm not sure about it...from my experience people just ignore any info i pass on to them which is even worse i think, let them get angry, maybe that would be the only way we can truly win this thing.

we all have to and together...people are behind the smoke screen of lies, they just can't see what's really going on and it's so simple, so obvious to all of us...

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggg hhhhhhhh!!!!

[sean~infinte]

thers a youtube vid about the illusion although its a bit pro islamic at the end but technical and informative at the start (ill try finding it if u guys havent seen it)

another question i would like to ask you guys would be how far do u think the sytem is going to get before thers a positive change

i defo think the futures gona be equaly bad as good to the lead up to a change these last couple of weeks people have been spewing there venom and ive had to make some changes all of a sudden thers defo some energy changes/patterns that are in effect

i think it was MTsar that said its going to be tough as there needs to be a release of bad energy and people have to face up to there fears (pluto being in galactic centre)

[anti system]

There are many who have awoken form the sheepwalk on here.

We now need to get together as a united force, in a campaign of some sort under a name, it can be ran from a website and action can origiante from this website.
We must then promote this website to bring in more people, and so on and on.

Any ideas for a website please put forward your ideas,
If any one can create websites, then please contact me.

We should start by knocking up a website which is simple, and use a link to this forum to actualy use as the websites forum.

We should give ouselves a name.....any one? if your completely blank on that one, then look at other cmapgin names for ideas such as Fathers4Justice etc

I see much talk on here, but not much of anyone taking the next step and getting organised to push forward as a functioning organisation/army of people, making change by educating the public and expanding this force into something that will make change, and be clever enough to take on the fascist new world order that is taking over us all.

WE NEED TO GET ORGANISED.

[levitas]

I think that's a good idea. We need more action and less talk. I'll help if I can. (sorry no website skills) :rolleyes:

[dark86]

There are many who have awoken form the sheepwalk on here.

We now need to get together as a united force, in a campaign of some sort under a name, it can be ran from a website and action can origiante from this website.
We must then promote this website to bring in more people, and so on and on.

Any ideas for a website please put forward your ideas,
If any one can create websites, then please contact me.

We should start by knocking up a website which is simple, and use a link to this forum to actualy use as the websites forum.

We should give ouselves a name.....any one? if your completely blank on that one, then look at other cmapgin names for ideas such as Fathers4Justice etc

I see much talk on here, but not much of anyone taking the next step and getting organised to push forward as a functioning organisation/army of people, making change by educating the public and expanding this force into something that will make change, and be clever enough to take on the fascist new world order that is taking over us all.

WE NEED TO GET ORGANISED.

i agree with all of this. The truth community is too fragmented and everone mainly dicusses their belief differences instead of action. Not that this is wrong as i have no action solutions at present.

My avatar is a symbol / logo i created and i am all for action.

[anti system]

There ya go your already putting ideas forward with your logo idea.

I feel we don't need to get in the system too much, we need to just knock up a website with a name for the cause maybe? this way we can't be pin pointed as an official campaign, we just do a website and let it grow its own life from there.

We definsately need to start meeting up in different areas to try and get organised, to see if we have some ttalent and facilities that we could use for the cause.

Firstly I'm a good leafleter, if we can get leaflets on a large scale I can start delivering in my area.
I also have expereance of dealing with the media, and am aware of how to deal with them due to doing this within the political arena in the past.
and expereance on how to deal with the public/getting the message across.

The Truth community is a good name to work on, although it has a Jovuss witness ring to it :-)


i agree with all of this. The truth community is too fragmented and everone mainly dicusses their belief differences instead of action. Not that this is wrong as i have no action solutions at present.

My avatar is a symbol / logo i created and i am all for action.

[cruise4]

Hi Celtic Isis... only just came across this thread again. I'll read that book after I've finished Infinite love and get back to you.

Anyone in the UK looking for activism... check

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk

DVD's Leaflets etc. Search there for Andrew Johnson. Cheap or free. Or make your own.

[opalstar]

I have read alot of these posts and agree something will happen in 2012 .. although I do not speculate what.

One thing a bunch of people of doing is called "fire the grid" you can find info about this event at firethegrid.org .. the first one was on the 17th but the next is scheduled for the 31st, and every tues thereafter.

*Live your life in love and light*

[sean~infinte]

before we decide to start a physical organisation or somthing we need to be clear on somthing

me personaly thing it the peoples attitudes/insercuirtys/ignorance that needs to change to manifest a limitless paradise

all that would need to be done is that everyone would have to be open minded becuase open mindedness knos no limits and get out of an eggshell of fear but do we do that ourselves in the hope that we awaken and so will the rest or do we help others just have an open minded mindset and be fearless??

and remeber when im saying help others be open minded im not realy talking about introducing them to icke has that can be or seem imposing rather let them be open minded and be guided to there new found reality just as I and many of YOU have

being open minded in my books means the one guids you to truth and wisdom it leaded me to icke ask a question now and it WILL be answered

[ms_moon]

I don't believe that having an Open Mind is enough- you must also have an Open Heart.

An Open Mind accepts and appreciates possibilities, an Open Heart accepts and appreciates that these possibilities are true. Together one can fully absorb and allow the whole world as it is without even needing to attempt to change it- it is already perfect. The only 'imperfections' that you see, are the struggles and resistance within yourself.

We already know the Answers to the Questions we ask- we just need to remember them...

Lots of Love,

Jay
xxx

[sean~infinte]

I don't believe that having an Open Mind is enough- you must also have an Open Heart.

An Open Mind accepts and appreciates possibilities, an Open Heart accepts and appreciates that these possibilities are true. Together one can fully absorb and allow the whole world as it is without even needing to attempt to change it- it is already perfect. The only 'imperfections' that you see, are the struggles and resistance within yourself.

We already know the Answers to the Questions we ask- we just need to remember them...

Lots of Love,

Jay
xxx

exactly the point i was making having known wat i kno now it doesnt feel like ive learnt it just that i have remembered it is all

but people even if they think they are open minded/hearted somtimes arent in the human collective mind its seen to be GOOD to be sceptic

what i was getting at is should we help them(masses) realise this, would the energy and rising frequency change this? in other words let then figure it out by themselves?

EDIT: having an open mind/heart is also having and acknowledging that what you are being open minded about might be wrong thus have the possibility that its a load of crap as well as its the truth

[ms_moon]

I do believe that it is more important as an individual to explore your Natural state of Loving-ness and Being-ness, without trying too hard to convince people that this is how they should be. People are already perfect as they are, despite their angers, fears, worries and struggles and are merely a little slower at remembering why they appeared on this Planet Earth. But the Powerful Force of Evolution is an unstoppable one and it will sweep through everyone, inevitably, no matter how hard it is resisted. This is also important to remember and only when we as individuals learn to trust ourselves, learn to follow our Intuition and Knowing, will we spread our Energy of Love and Beingness to others in our vicinity.

We are all part of the rising frequency, we are all One therefore no matter what, we are all experiencing the same thing at the same time- it's just that some are more aware of it than others. But this is the Beauty you see? No matter what there will be people there to help.

There is never an exact timescale to evolution (we don't all experience puberty at the same time but we experience it AROUND the same time...) so looking at this on a grander scale, the time-frame will be exaggerated... give or take maybe a few years.

So regarding people figuring it out for themselves there is no question- people will remember eventually (with help or not) because it will be an inescapable and unstoppable force of tremendously beautiful Conscious Evolution!!

Lots of Love,

You
xxx

[auron]

Wow! Absolutely perfect. :)

[chandrakavi]

I don't believe that having an Open Mind is enough- you must also have an Open Heart.

An Open Mind accepts and appreciates possibilities, an Open Heart accepts and appreciates that these possibilities are true. Together one can fully absorb and allow the whole world as it is without even needing to attempt to change it- it is already perfect. The only 'imperfections' that you see, are the struggles and resistance within yourself.

We already know the Answers to the Questions we ask- we just need to remember them...

Lots of Love,

Jay
xxx

Great MS. Moon!
As all Masters of the East say:
"The longest journey is from the Mind to the Heart":);):D

[ms_moon]

Great MS. Moon!
As all Masters of the East say:
"The longest journey is from the Mind to the Heart":);):D

Indeed it is! But the journey is getting shorter and shorter for all of us in these amazing, awakening times. People could lose their Minds due to the rapid Awakening process that is going on and there are Beings out there such as myself who need to make sure they stay as comfortable as possible through this transition.

All this talk of Reptiles, Mind Control, New World Orders, Matrix Realities, The Lies of Religion and the like could be terribly destructive to someone who has no 'Awareness' of their Self and their Consciousness and who is comfortable in their reality.

Making other people 'Aware' of these things isn't the right thing to do. Making people 'Aware' of themselves FIRST is the correct way... this way the awareness process is a natural one and not a forced one.

Much Love
xxxxxxxxxx

[cruise4]

MS_moon... I sincerely hope you are right. But how long do we give it? At what point will an alternative have to be considered? If a knock comes on your door to drag you off to the Loacl Death Camp... will you still be saying this then? This is a serious question.

What would have to happen for you to think... actually I may have to fight physically or I'm going to get killed here?

[auron]

You will be wherever you are meant to be.

[cyberdaemon]

I know what we need.First of "this reality" is not the only reality.There are others and some of the others are DIRECTLY connected to this one.Its like a scene in Matrix where people inside Matrix are one thing and outside , something else.Id say one of us have to be able to "unplug" from Matrix , go to another reality and actually shut down the whole thing.Think about scene were Cyper takes whole crew as hostage and starts killing one after another.Everyone in Matrix are in hopeless situation , as they cant do NOTHING to stop Cyper in a real world killing them.So theres actually needed people on the outside.How i do not know , as my soul has absolute experience with this reality version before.Im familiar with Lycans , Dragons , Elves , but these are something else we are about to face.And most of all , are they enemy ? Or just a software program , "gone out of control" ? Like that Agent Smith m who took over whole system and was unstoppable , until...

I recently saw a trailer to a MMORPG "Warhammer : Online" , where they introduced a new generation MMORGPG gaming.The main idea was that each realm has influence to other realms.That victory in one place will help other players in other realms to archive theyr victory.So what if we are also in same situation.If one reality gets rid of something evil , will it have an influence to other realities , like this one here as well ? The point is - if you get killed or lost into another reality , you can STILL change the events in here , because you can still produce neither good or evil energy that will change the outcome of many events.Even if they are in other realm than your current one.

The funny thing about evil is that they get defeated by theyr own weaponry.Like that ring in LOTR that was suppose to be weapon to the dark lord , but... These illuminatis are building an illusion about freedom trough media , but same media (internet , books , tv) is used to rise awareness as well.Funny isnt it , "they" build media to brain wash people , but now media is being used against "them"

[ms_moon]

Whilst reading this please take with you only the things which resonate with your Being- leave the rest. Much Love xxxx

People obsessed with 'control' in the sense 'believing' that we are 'directly' in control of our lives- based on conditioned thought processes- will ultimately burn out. Many of these people in Power will experience exactly this.

We are ALREADY in control of our lives without even needing to try- just knowing that we are creating our OWN reality (both individually and co-creatively) is enough to grant us an amazing and beautiful existence.

True there are those out there who wish to control us (it seems) but this is merely a reflection of how most of us perceive ourselves. We feel like we're not in control of what is happening in our lives and in the world 'out there'.

We feel the 'need' to 'take control' of our lives and do what is right for the greater good but stop to think about this for a moment and we see that we are already in control.

Everything that is happening, every experience we are a part of, is perfect. It is meant to be that way so we can develop as Human Beings towards the Beautiful Light that we are heading.

We are experiencing the Death of the Mind- the merging of DUALITY into UNITY and it's not going to die without a struggle!

Dual-ity = Dual Reality
Un-ity = Unified Reality

There is only one way to stop these perceived 'baddies' in the World, there is only one way to end conflict, bring Peace, stop War... we MUST end the conflict within ourselves. We must bring Peace to ourselves and end the War that we have been fighting within ourselves for so long. We must learn to acknowledge, embrace and Love ourselves wholly and completely and understand that we must do the same to others no matter what atrocities they commit.

They are Us and We are Them- we are all the same entity convinced that we are seperate through 'intelligence' and the Mind- we are still living in a Dual Reality.

WE are the Matrix- it's not 'out there'. It's within our Being. WE are the creators of our World- it is US who are creating external form through the thoughts we have, the experiences we hold onto and the actions that we take...

...if we emote anger- someone shouts back. If we emote hatred- someone hates back. If we kill- someone kills back.

Equally if we feel Love- someone Loves back. If we feel Happy- someone smiles back. If we feel Peaceful- we meet and influence more Peaceful people.

Emotions VS Feelings = Negative VS Positive

Emotions: Fear, Anger, Sadness, Stress, Pain, Suffering, Euphoria, Excitement, Desire

Feelings: Intuition, Love, Peace, Joy, Knowing, Truth

' The Mind ' is struggling now to keep its grip and becoming aware of this by looking at the various things that are occurring (forums such as this are a Beautiful example!) people are popping into our lives ever so gradually who are BURSTING with Love and Peace. See how the fighting in the Middle East increases, see how more and more things are trying to be implemented to keep 'us' under control. Can you see?

Who is REALLY in control in all of this?

We are...

Lots of Love,

Jay
xxx

[mr_moon]

Ahem... :)

Just to let the readers of this thread know that i now have a seperate account to my wife- to save some confusion that occurred on some other threads.

I look forward to posting and chatting with you guys!

Lots of Love,

Jay
xxx

[tinmenace]

Brilliant post. Thank you.

[auron]

http://www.visualbliss.co.uk/gallery/artwork/images/magic%20mushroom%20picture.jpg

[yoshiceus]

My brothers and sisters i urge you to go to this link and immediatley read.
Our space brothers have watched us struggle for a long time and want to help. I for one want their help.

http://www.geocities.com/changetheworld_now/Changetheworld1.htm

[sean~infinte]

nice posts keep em up guys eh

what i would like to discuss at some point is this new concept that has entered my cranium about parallel universes and other dimensions

is it a case of that at any time we choose love or fear we tune into a parallel universe were we will experience what we want?

so if i choose love and you chose fear we would both experience a different outcome me choosing love would experience a love filled planet earth while the other possibility experienced by you who choosed fear and is now in a world of a big brother one world order reality

[mr_moon]

nice posts keep em up guys eh

what i would like to discuss at some point is this new concept that has entered my cranium about parallel universes and other dimensions

is it a case of that at any time we choose love or fear we tune into a parallel universe were we will experience what we want?

so if i choose love and you chose fear we would both experience a different outcome me choosing love would experience a love filled planet earth while the other possibility experienced by you who choosed fear and is now in a world of a big brother one world order reality

That could be a possibility- however we are all creating everything all of the time so maybe it could be so, that 2 separate dimensions are created... Infact, because TIME is based in the 4th dimension and our Higher Selves in a Timeless realm of the 5th Dimension maybe if Time becomes the ruler of your life, it also becomes the dimension you exist in. Likewise if you are Aware of Time and your Self and Higher Self, maybe you exist in the 5th Dimension- eventually of course!

It may seem 3D- but maybe it isn't... the transition would surely be unnoticeably smooth...

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

[irak]

..have you heard of the timewave zero? if not it shows a great insight in what is happening and what will happen in time..

great video Terence Mckenna: 2012 Timewave Zero TV Show Sightings - YouTube

[jologriffiths]

My brothers and sisters i urge you to go to this link and immediatley read.
Our space brothers have watched us struggle for a long time and want to help. I for one want their help.

http://www.geocities.com/changetheworld_now/Changetheworld1.htm
Thank You Yoshiceus,
I am a little gobsmacked by this information!
but I have been needing communication like this for a while, its taken me a month to find it...
all events and intuition for me have pointed to increased evolutionary support.
The vision to turn all symbols and technology to benefit only life and reclaim our world is becoming stronger every day.

PEACE

[rasnalgoul]

to me it starts off as a big role playing game, but now ive seen that im not limited by physicality. Now i realize that I can control my world, but what you have to understand now is that we have spent alot of time understanding our previous level, and adopting tailored strategys, but now we must understand that this is a new game with more illusions, one of them being that this infinite love that everyone fails to define is nothing more that constantly being happy and manifesting whatever you want. No we have to stop trying to remove, what we think is bad from our experience, because it is but a learning event a teaching. What we have to understand is that everything is one and that this includes the evil people,places, things that existance in our universe is us. We need to learn to balance this out, and balance cant be achieved by thinking we can simply eliminate bad things, its all an equilibrium, that is in turn a larger equilibrium which in turn is another one, its infinite. seek balance now, in everyway possible attempt to harmonize your experience.