How can I get my friends interested?

[januspolanski]

I having a real problem when I talk to people outside of this forum about the issues raised here. One of my friends is interested but he just argues that power corrupts and that will never change. I talk to my dad about 911/JFK for example and he says when you look into it there is clearly no conspiracy, which means he watched a propaganda piece on the BBC about 911/JFK and of course believes every word on those programmes.

Does everyone else have problems like this with their friends/family?

If so how do you get around this problem?

Whats a good starting point to get people involved?

Im starting to feel a little alienated from my friends and family due to what I ve been reading/watching over the last few months and basically I am keen to "wake up" others around me but its not easy?

Any suggestions ideas are appreciated.Thanks

[cafetimes1991]

It seems with my friends and family, the more I talk the less I am listened to. Still my teenage life of cinema, watching Home & Away et cetera goes on anyway...
But this forum and community we've got persisting here inspires me. Last week, I printed off two-hundred leaflets, and today I put up stickers saying "Google Illuminati" and ''Boycott Israel" around my local town. Never give up. Never, never, never, never...

[mike59271]

Honestly im there with you man. I have been trying to wake up the same group of friends for the past 3 years and i still get laughed at. It wasn't until the other day that i came to the conclusion that they simply DON'T WANT TO WAKE UP. For instance, lately Ive been trying to get them into Quantum Physics. I describe how consciousness creates reality and that everything is one on a subatomic level (i went into greater detail when explaining it) and they say stupid shit like "O! So this floor is really a lake?" Then they laugh. I got so frustrated the other day when trying to debate them i used the quote, "When your only tool is a hammer you view everything as a nail" And they remark with "No thats not true you can use a hammer for different things like BLAH BLAH BLAH" And the sad part is they actually believed that rebuttal was justified. I say, its figurative, they say well it didn't sound like it. STUPID PEOPLE. No wounder they always talk to me about the new show on VH1 or EMPTV. RETARDS

[mike59271]

It seems with my friends and family, the more I talk the less I am listened to.

That is the only truth I have come to know, that and ridicule.

[recon]

I recently viewed this video, it may help.

The Arrivals pt.24 (Freedom Unplugged) - YouTube

[januspolanski]

they simply DON'T WANT TO WAKE UP

Yes I think this is a big part of the answer. Somewhere deep down they know the truth about whats going on but are too scared to confront the truth because it might mean getting their hands dirty or sacrificing comforts they ve got used to. I think there are a ton of good people on here who when the time comes will stand up and do something about whats happening in our countries.

I think ego comes into it a bit with our elders/parents etc. They dont want to be enlightened by their children or the youth as they see them self as wise from years of life experience and cant fathom that they have been lied to their whole life and have unknowingly allowed evil to become very powerful because they couldnt see the truth.

Most of my friends just wana get wasted every weekend and then spend the next week talking about getting wasted and pulling some tart.

[cafetimes1991]

I recently viewed this video, it may help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQFzAKCsnC0&feature=channel_page

Brilliant video. Especially the preacher at the end. Extremely inspiring. Thank you, recon! :)

[gu3rr1lla]

watching Home & Away

Any respect i had for you is now lost....:rolleyes:

[lilloz]

I recently viewed this video, it may help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQFzAKCsnC0&feature=channel_page

I also found that this approach is better too :)
When you unintentionally bombard your friends and family with new knowledge and info they do just seem to shut down, for about 3 years everyone would say 'don't get her started on ____ subject' and I even lost some friends too.

The thing is now everyone around me can see all the things I said would happen are happening and now I have a more receptive group of friends and family, still some subjects are met with rolling eyes and laughter, but I can cope with it.

Their eyes will eventually be opened too, but you can't force it, the change happens within.

[januspolanski]

Fantastic Vid recon. Thanks. It answers my question and confirms a lot of what I already think about this problem.

[thunda]

I've always figured theres two parts to this :

1 - Most - if not all - conspiracies rest on very flimsy ground and usually come up short when it comes to providing evidence - in regards to 911 for instance, there is so much crap floating around without any basis to it or very little basis such as out of context quotes which are quickly dismissed. Most evidence is circumstantial at best ie. "bush is a twat - he must be guilty". Most people need a lot more than this.

2 - Of the ones who get a bit more and "see it" they get a bit of a shock to their system .. its tough for most people to accept they are or have been wrong about something and when faced with a life-long lie of thinking their world is one way when in fact it is something completely different to what they think can be too much. In that case - they would prefer to continue living their comfortable life of lie which they are used to instead of taking a step back and saying "fuck me - I was wrong".

[miranda]

I actually asked Stewart Swerdlow about this, and he replied that it wasn't my responsibility to get 'em to believe it (can't remember exactly how he put it - better than that!)

I think, if people are ready to hear and accept it, they will. And chances are they'll then learn more themselves. And it'll then be good for them to know you're there, and remember you mentioned it to 'em. Otherwise, you run the risk of alienating them. It's a v personal thing - v deep, and i don't think any two people really 'get' it in the same way. And remember - Icke was laughed at for years and years(!) Still is heckled quite a bit.

I do sympathise - I've been there. I'd say, save yourself the stress of it. If they want to know more, they'll come to you, borrow your books, etc.

LOVED whoever posted here that, when they finally come to take him(?) away in the shackles, to the concentration camp, at least he'll finally get to say those four little words: 'I TOLD YOU SO.'

[brain]

Let your friends and family live the lives that they choose.

It wasn't until the other day that i came to the conclusion that they simply DON'T WANT TO WAKE UP.

People have their head in the sand about all sorts of issues. That is their right.

You go and live your "awakened" life and if it's so great your friends and family will notice and ask you what they can do to also become awake.

OR

You could use fear to manipulate them into awakening... that seems to be the prevailing trend... used both by "TPTB" and the "Truthers".

[recon]

No problem guys. i also think that because of the upcoming crisis, it'll be easier to persuade people to the Truth, since people will be less dependent on this system. (I remember David Icke talking about how homeless people have a much better chance of accepting the Truth)
Though it'll probably be to late by then to make a difference.

[realfake]

Im starting to feel a little alienated from my friends and family due to what I ve been reading/watching over the last few months and basically I am keen to "wake up" others around me but its not easy?

Any suggestions ideas are appreciated.ThanksI would concentrate on your own development first and foremost.

I experienced feelings of social alienation and resent for a time, but they gradually subsided.

[alternative_answer]

Speak the truth, that's all you can do.

[norton]

some people you can pretty much tell can't or have no desire to 'wake up'. So i just talk to them about football and tits.

some people you can tell just need there heads turned slightly. what i do is start on a simple subject like aspartame, msg and/or flouride. tell them some basic things about it and they'll go off and look it up themselves. the next day then you get 'bloody hell, did you know aspartame can give you cancer and the government know about it!!' (it's like, yeah dude, i told you- but don't say that) then i'll tell them to research who is making it and what else they own/do etc. Never give them facts just point them in the right direction and they'll soon start going further and further themselves.

hope that helps.


p.s. 9/11 is also a good one due to the amount of truth out there.

[polveirbecker]

If your mates don’t listen to you then your with the wrong mates. I’ve got a friend who would offer me a good conversation on all this stuff although he’s not remotely interested.

[echoes_of_a_dream]

Yeah it's frustrating, breaking down their conditioning isn't easy. In person face-to-face I've only woken up a handful of people as in the past I tended to keep thoughts on these kind of things to myself. First of all you have to get passed their apathy once you have done that try and point them to discrepencies and inconsistancies presented by the "official" story. Get them to ask questions, to try and sow a seed. There are a lot of people who need a push, they can see a few dots but need a few more and a line between them.

[red_ram]

I having a real problem when I talk to people outside of this forum about the issues raised here. One of my friends is interested but he just argues that power corrupts and that will never change. I talk to my dad about 911/JFK for example and he says when you look into it there is clearly no conspiracy, which means he watched a propaganda piece on the BBC about 911/JFK and of course believes every word on those programmes.

Does everyone else have problems like this with their friends/family?

If so how do you get around this problem?

Whats a good starting point to get people involved?

Im starting to feel a little alienated from my friends and family due to what I ve been reading/watching over the last few months and basically I am keen to "wake up" others around me but its not easy?

Any suggestions ideas are appreciated.Thanks

Leave them to work it out in their own time. If they're ready, they'll accept it with or without your help.

[jonah hex]

some people you can pretty much tell can't or have no desire to 'wake up'. So i just talk to them about football and tits.

some people you can tell just need there heads turned slightly. what i do is start on a simple subject like aspartame, msg and/or flouride. tell them some basic things about it and they'll go off and look it up themselves. the next day then you get 'bloody hell, did you know aspartame can give you cancer and the government know about it!!' (it's like, yeah dude, i told you- but don't say that) then i'll tell them to research who is making it and what else they own/do etc. Never give them facts just point them in the right direction and they'll soon start going further and further themselves.

hope that helps.


p.s. 9/11 is also a good one due to the amount of truth out there.

That is excellent manipulation.To achieve this level of influence in a single human lifetime fascinates me.

Well done. ;)

[pinkgrapefruit]

I have discovered a new approach which is limited but it gets attention... MONEY.

When people have money problems they are all ears, especially Credit Card debt or parking fines.

After pointing out the TPUC site, a friend of mine has rid himself of debt and is currently half way through ’The Biggest Secret’.

I had my haircut the other day and before I gave him a Twenty Pound note I offered him a piece of paper promising to pay for my haircut, he laughed and looked a little perplexed at first but when I explained about the Twenty Pound note ‘promising to pay the bearer twenty pounds’ he was interested. He may have gone home and looked it up or not, that was up to him.

But overall, yes it is difficult and that video posted by Recon basically sums it up. I like the analogy of the glass of water but some people just aren’t thirsty so you need to offer them a ready salted crisp first.

[iitokio]

Nearly all of my mates have a pathetic knowledge base of current affairs and only know what they read in the sun, which is basically BIN LADEN BOOGEY MAN RRHHAWWWHH BOOBIES!

A friend was talking about cancer and i said that vitamin b17, when combined with a certain diet, can eliminate most types of cancer. He simply laughed and said it that was the case then why isn't it on the news 24 hours a day? And ofcourse he managed to call it a consipracy. This person is far from intelligent and is pretty dumb but he's a laugh to be around.

All i could do was sigh and shake my head because there was no way he would ever be unlocked.

[croatiancoffee]

Seems like an indirect approach is favoured. Can see why it works, but I guess some can just about handle the direct approach.
I tried explaining a subject to some people in the direct way, but it didnt work. I guess it also depends on the person you are speaking to.

[size_of_light]

I having a real problem when I talk to people outside of this forum about the issues raised here. One of my friends is interested but he just argues that power corrupts and that will never change. I talk to my dad about 911/JFK for example and he says when you look into it there is clearly no conspiracy, which means he watched a propaganda piece on the BBC about 911/JFK and of course believes every word on those programmes.

Does everyone else have problems like this with their friends/family?

If so how do you get around this problem?

Whats a good starting point to get people involved?

Im starting to feel a little alienated from my friends and family due to what I ve been reading/watching over the last few months and basically I am keen to "wake up" others around me but its not easy?

Any suggestions ideas are appreciated.Thanks

I extend my sympathies to you, and it's not easy. It used to consume me with bottled up frustration and anger that this stuff is so obvious to anyone who takes a small amount of time to consider it openly.

Those "Smart people will always rip off dumb people, that's just the way the world is" and "Power corrupts, get over it!" type of comments always drove me mad.

What I found after a lot of painful experience was that you can't push or force anyone to re-appraise their own world view if they don't want to, and that the more you try to preach the facts no matter how well-intentioned you are, certain people will just resist even more and/or get depressed and sulky around you when you mention this sorta stuff and completely shutdown to what you're saying, because their reluctance or fear is making them feel stupid and immoral.

No advice from me except to tell you what I did, and that is I gave up! :p It took a while but eventually I managed to drop all concern about trying to 'wake' anybody up or drill the 'real story' into them, and just carried on looking into it all myself during my own time, and interacting with them in as a relaxed, natural and open a way as I could at those times.

I found that some people then began to ask timid, probing questions after a bit of time, and genuinely wanted to know more about what I thought, and this was partly because I was more relaxed and laid back, but also there was some sort of reverse-psychology thing going on that I hadn't planned for where they knew I knew a lot of info about current affairs and 'conspiracies' or whatever, and now that I wasn't speaking out about it all, they started thinking 'hey, what aren't you telling me?' :D

Anyway I feel much, much better now and have lost ALL the anger that exposure to this info stirs up, and now I'm still doing as much as I was before, only in a more calm, concentrated way, and seemingly drawing to me people who want to know, rather than trying to banging my head against the brick wall trying to make everyone know.

[tb303]

Don't worry, they'll wake up soon enough when they're made redundant and the food shelves start emptying - that's if they're not busy rioting or looting.

[mindrevolution]

Hell yeah i am experiencing this all the time. Friends and family just think i am some rebellious angry young male looking to make sense of this crazy world.

They will often listen to me but will never look into things further. I had a break through this xmas though when i bought all my family dvds such as loose change 2nd edition, david ickes 7 hour talk freedom or fascism (none have watched that yet!), and terrorstorm by alex jones.

My sister seems to have finally woken up with regards to 9/11. shes started looking into it and sending me links etc. shes 20.

It is hard, its like when i make new friends i have to kind of not mention any of this stuff for ages until the friendship is stronger because many of them will just think i am sme weird nutter. thats what i have found through exeperience anyway.

You have just got to keeop going i think, not lay it on too thick but just mention things now and again. at the end of the day i am willing to cut all ties with friends and family over this.