Robbery victim too honest so judge halts trial !!!

[pduffy4]

WARNING INSANITY ALERT! WARNING INSANITY ALERT!

MAJOR WAKE UP CALL!

Robbery victim too honest so judge halts trial !!!
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23618508-details/Robbery+victim+too+honest+...+so+judge+halts+trial/article.do

WARNING INSANITY ALERT! WARNING INSANITY ALERT!

[lupus]

beggars belief, the judge said he had to stop the trial because the jury might believe the victims witness testimony and convict the person that she says robbed her - i am utterly gobsmacked -

[pduffy4]

beggars belief, the judge said he had to stop the trial because the jury might believe the victims witness testimony and convict the person that she says robbed her - i am utterly gobsmacked -

I makes me wonder if this is because of an EU rulling. Now every sleazy lawer will use this case to get their clients off.:mad:

[lupus]

Due to lack of any reasonable explanation in the report I'm gonna assume the lad is well connected and the judge was bribed but the sheer insanity of the ruling is mind blowing

[size_of_light]

Look at the judge in the photo.

What a clueless, smarmy cock.

I'm honestly convinced that these 'Bizarro universe' rulings happen intentionally now and then just to fuck with people's heads.

[somethinganonymous]

another one bites the dust

police and courts are corrupt motherf*ckers

[signalnorth]

That really does justify the word INSANE

[meksar]

Masonic manipulation

[jacob sladder]

Masonic manipulation

Are you saying that the yob who attacked / robbed her is a Mason?!!
Highly unlikely I'd say.....!!!!

[lottie]

Im surprised they didnt tase her just for good measure!!! :rolleyes:

[meksar]

Well obviously the judge is a mason, only a mason could do something that inconsiderate.As i say the masonic establishment wants young people to shoot,stab and rob because it offers more fear to justify the "stop and search" policy on young people.

[91181]

The masons love all this chaos , no wonder thay dont want there names on a public register ..

[ennui]

I'm surprised that the CPS allowed this to get as far as court in the first place. Usually when it's one persons word against another it doesn't even get to court. I've always thought that was wrong. People should be judged by their peers, not by the CPS.

[januspolanski]

We should go have a Riot/Protest outside the courthouse! No Joke.

[ennui]

I hope the defendant nicks the judges car

[godspeed]

people are being sent to jail on less evidence and sometimes no evidence that a crime has been committed....just word of mouth...so what the fuck is going on with this judge !! if thats the case then all trials that send people to jail on no evidence should be re-tride........there are thousands probably...
to the victim in this case....try a private prosecution....and include the judge at this insane court.........:D

[jacob sladder]

Well obviously the judge is a mason, only a mason could do something that inconsiderate.As i say the masonic establishment wants young people to shoot,stab and rob because it offers more fear to justify the "stop and search" policy on young people.

Why 'obviously'? I am not aware of a 'Masonic establishment' - I think the judge in this case acted appallingly - off of his own volition. Masonry had nothing to do with it.
If young people shoot, stab and rob, then that is down to their own evil and weak characters, nobody encourages them to do so - Masonic or otherwise.

[comawhite015]

That's revolting :/

The judge could have at least ruled that she got her stuff back. Or new stuff.

[atticus_finch]

Usually when it's one persons word against another it doesn't even get to court.

from thisislondon.co.uk "..Her student Jodie Dickinson, 26, was practising hill starts when a gang of youths surrounded the car.
The instructor locked the doors but her terrified pupil froze and stamped her foot on the brake, preventing them driving off.."

am I missing something here? There are surely two witnesses for the prosecution?

[yozhik]

Since when has the Court system EVER been about justice and what is morally "right and fair" ???

Sorry - but if you still believe the Ministry of Justice and the Courts are about what is "right", then without being insulting - you need to wake up and stop living in la la land.

Don't get me wrong; a story like this repulses me.
I'm still a "sucker" for the ideals of liberties, rights and justice.

Unfortunately, we do not have a system built to support these ideals.

Read and deconstruct the statutes; find out who and what is protected.
Read the law dictionaries; discover who you really are and your legal status.

Only then will you comprehend the Court system, the language used everyday, the "rules" and your status inside the matrix.

[ennui]

from thisislondon.co.uk "..Her student Jodie Dickinson, 26, was practising hill starts when a gang of youths surrounded the car.
The instructor locked the doors but her terrified pupil froze and stamped her foot on the brake, preventing them driving off.."

am I missing something here? There are surely two witnesses for the prosecution?

It says in the article "But the judge halted the trial at Bristol crown court on its first day because it was based solely on the victim's word against the defendant's - and she was too credible."

Either the witness didn't want to give evidence (I don't think that's the case as they've named her) or more likely the victim was the only one who actually identified the defendant.

So it was her word against his that he was the person responsible.

[meksar]

Why 'obviously'? I am not aware of a 'Masonic establishment' - I think the judge in this case acted appallingly - off of his own volition. Masonry had nothing to do with it.
If young people shoot, stab and rob, then that is down to their own evil and weak characters, nobody encourages them to do so - Masonic or otherwise.

Well you do get closed minded people on here who cannot see the wider picture.Lets talk about the mason's at Scotland Yard(Scottish Rite Freemasonry) who are a bunch of racist/barbaric goons.Listen to what this guy has to say and then use your brain and get back to me.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rNBjDFH7QLc&feature=related

[steevo]

Maybe an EU ruling will come to the rescue ? For it to get on the mainstream media, I cant help thinking it could be some Problem Reaction Solution stunt :cool:

[yozhik]

Maybe an EU ruling will come to the rescue ?

:eek:

huh ??

The EU ???

You seriously need to do some reading on the EU and what it will do to liberties, rights and freedoms !! The EU parliament isn't even elected - so how can you expect it to uphold democratic principles ?

It is your "EU rulings" and those EU regulations that insist on a DNA database being built.

[steevo]

:eek:

Huh ??

The eu ???

You seriously need to do some reading on the eu and what it will do to liberties, rights and freedoms !! The eu parliament isn't even elected - so how can you expect it to uphold democratic principles ?

It is your "eu rulings" and those eu regulations that insist on a dna database being built.

exactly! I was being sort of sarcastic.

[jacob sladder]

Well you do get closed minded people on here who cannot see the wider picture.Lets talk about the mason's at Scotland Yard(Scottish Rite Freemasonry) who are a bunch of racist/barbaric goons.Listen to what this guy has to say and then use your brain and get back to me.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rNBjDFH7QLc&feature=related

Good grief! have watched the video and feel sorry for the person presenting it. Is he drugged or something?
Is he anyone special in particular - or just an American bloke spouting off in front of a camera?
He clearly doesn't know much about Freemasonry.

Not sure what you mean about Scotland Yard and the Scottish Rite.
Scotland Yard is in London, and the Metropolitan Police HQ. The 'Scottish Rite' is an American term used to identify a side order in American Freemasonry, and has no links with English Craft Masonry.


You do seem awfully confused about it all...

Sorry for taking the thread off topic.

[yozhik]

exactly! I was being sort of sarcastic.

sorry ... I'm a bit slow today :o

[steevo]

sorry ... I'm a bit slow today :o

No worries yozhik, I'm not good at expressing sarcasm in text form. I should have used a smiley.

[lightgiver]

Why 'obviously'? I am not aware of a 'Masonic establishment' - I think the judge in this case acted appallingly - off of his own volition. Masonry had nothing to do with it.
If young people shoot, stab and rob, then that is down to their own evil and weak characters, nobody encourages them to do so - Masonic or otherwise.

Just ask yourself who created this DOG eat DOG society,

Masons yeah right,this earth is riddled with them.

Dorset Freemasons Ashamed to be Identified - YouTube

Dorset Freemasons Ashamed to be Identified - YouTube




The restriction of knowledge to an elite group destroys the spirit of the society and leads to its intellectual impoverishment.

[michael christopher]

Well obviously the judge is a mason, only a mason could do something that inconsiderate.As i say the masonic establishment wants young people to shoot,stab and rob because it offers more fear to justify the "stop and search" policy on young people.

Do you know how absolutely stupid it makes you look to just make such a random assumption and then start acting like it is true? You have no evidence whatsoever and no reason to believe it was a Mason anyway. Why would a Mason let a street thug off? If Masons are in control of everything like you probably think, then wouldn't they be smart enough to only let their buddies off? Do you think they just hate everything and love criminals and let them go? You don't know anything about what you're talking about. You just paint everyone with such a broad brush, and make all of these baseless assumptions that you obviously don't even care whether or not are true...

How do you think that makes you look? I'm talking about all people who just go around jumping to conclusions and attacking people they have never met. You clearly don't have a grasp on the problem if you think they are in control of everything that happens. This is the symptom of a much larger social problem, not some Masonic conspiracy.

[lightgiver]

Do you know how absolutely stupid it makes you look to just make such a random assumption and then start acting like it is true? You have no evidence whatsoever and no reason to believe it was a Mason anyway. Why would a Mason let a street thug off? If Masons are in control of everything like you probably think, then wouldn't they be smart enough to only let their buddies off? Do you think they just hate everything and love criminals and let them go? You don't know anything about what you're talking about. You just paint everyone with such a broad brush, and make all of these baseless assumptions that you obviously don't even care whether or not are true...

How do you think that makes you look? I'm talking about all people who just go around jumping to conclusions and attacking people they have never met. You clearly don't have a grasp on the problem if you think they are in control of everything that happens. This is the symptom of a much larger social problem, not some Masonic conspiracy.

I am getting a bit miffed now.

have you ever heard the saying order out of chaos

do yo know judge jamie personally,do you socialise with him,do you know which school he attended,do you know anything of his background????

The masons are creating all this mess in the 1st place,do you not get it,or maybe you do?


The restriction of knowledge to an elite group destroys the spirit of the society and leads to its intellectual impoverishment.

Rare secret ritual - YouTube

Rare secret ritual - YouTube

[michael christopher]

I am getting a bit miffed now.

have you ever heard the saying order out of chaos

do yo know judge jamie personally,do you socialise with him,do you know which school he attended,do you know anything of his background????

The masons are creating all this mess in the 1st place,do you not get it,or maybe you do?


The restriction of knowledge to an elite group destroys the spirit of the society and leads to its intellectual impoverishment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYGRF0t8wc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYGRF0t8wc

You have no idea (or evidence) as to whether the guy is a Mason or not, and to assume so is completely idiotic. Sorry, no two ways about it. There are plenty of idiots in the real world doing seriously stupid things, they're not all Masons.

[steevo]

I am getting a bit miffed now.

have you ever heard the saying order out of chaos

do yo know judge jamie personally,do you socialise with him,do you know which school he attended,do you know anything of his background????

The masons are creating all this mess in the 1st place,do you not get it,or maybe you do?


The restriction of knowledge to an elite group destroys the spirit of the society and leads to its intellectual impoverishment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYGRF0t8wc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYGRF0t8wc

I agree that we have no idea whether or not that judge is definitely a mason. But I would say that he IS likely to be a mason IN MY OPINION.
And "order out of chaos" is one of their tactics. And that is why earlier I mentioned sarcastically that "the EU might rescue us".

[lightgiver]

You have no idea (or evidence) as to whether the guy is a Mason or not, and to assume so is completely idiotic. Sorry, no two ways about it. There are plenty of idiots in the real world doing seriously stupid things, they're not all Masons.

and you have no idea if he is not a mason

assumptions i would say,

and i know he is linked,they all are.

how to get on in life,join the masons,why do you think most masons are in the professional side of things,
IE police, judges, lawyers, teachers,business men,you will not find the common people there will you now,because you think you are better than the rest,and you all pat each other on the back,and do as you please,
it is pathetic i hope you all get exposed,like you are being now.

[drhemp]

I should argue this smells more of Common Purpose than masonry. I wonder if the said judge has every been on any CP training? (Common Purpose that is, not the other kind of CP that many public school educated judges, lawyers and politicians are into.)

[michael christopher]

and you have no idea if he is not a mason

assumptions i would say,

and i know he is linked,they all are.


You're kidding right? So, I am not making any assumptions, but you are making the assumption that he is a Mason. But somehow my lack of assumption is an assumption...

Hitler couldn't have come up with better reasoning himself.

how to get on in life,join the masons,why do you think most masons are in the professional side of things,
IE police, judges, lawyers, teachers,business men,you will not find the common people there will you now,because you think you are better than the rest,and you all pat each other on the back,and do as you please,
it is pathetic i hope you all get exposed,like you are being now.

You are accusing me of being a Mason now as well? You are a joke. Why is it that when anyone says anything even remotely construed as being in defense of Masons, people like you are always there to accuse them? You'll be the first person screaming "burn the witch!" if the shit ever hits the fan. The funny thing is how many people have accused me of being a Freemason when I have never even set foot inside of a lodge or spoken to one knowingly in person. Go on convincing yourself that your false assumption is true, you look like a fool to me.

[lightgiver]

You're kidding right? So, I am not making any assumptions, but you are making the assumption that he is a Mason. But somehow my lack of assumption is an assumption...

Hitler couldn't have come up with better reasoning himself.

whatever you say:rolleyes:

DONT TRUST MASONIC RUN GOVERNMENTS and masonic laws you will never win.

Why do we have never ending cycles of boom and bust?
This is what the masons use to consolidate their power base.

Masons wont be losing their jobs.
Masons wont be losing their homes.
Masons wont be losing their business's
Masons wont face impoverishment on the menial benefits provided
after years of graft.

Masonic run banks have been propped up to the tune of billions thanks
to following a masonic agenda by masonic run governments and the political leaders they funded and put into power for their own financial agenda .
We get to vote ONLY for parties run by masonic dupes.

. The British crown and its legal mafia at the very heart of this ruthless system.

I am britisn mate not a yank. you concentrate on your own country.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8739/presidentbushskullbonesiz3.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=presidentbushskullbonesiz3.jpg)

[michael christopher]

you concentrate on your own country.

Right, the fact that you are British gives your assumption more credence than my refusal to assume without evidence.

Is this what goes on in your mind as you build all of your worldview upon false conclusions? You do know that when you build a house of cards, it will tumble down one day, right?

Keep exposing the irresponsible way you think to the rest of us so we know how seriously to take your posts from now on.

[jacob sladder]

and you have no idea if he is not a mason

assumptions i would say,

and i know he is linked,they all are.

how to get on in life,join the masons,why do you think most masons are in the professional side of things,
IE police, judges, lawyers, teachers,business men,you will not find the common people there will you now,because you think you are better than the rest,and you all pat each other on the back,and do as you please,
it is pathetic i hope you all get exposed,like you are being now.

Hmmmmm.
Well I personally know Masons whose occupations are: Electrician, Plumber, Postman, Taxi Driver, Bus Driver, Teacher, Carpenter, Policeman, Plasterer, Paramedic, and a Nurse - to name just a few.

Mason's are from all walks of life.
Thats one of the joys of Freemasonry - meeting a wide cross section of people.

Don't know of any Judges though....

[lightgiver]

Hmmmmm.
Well I personally know Masons whose occupations are: Electrician, Plumber, Postman, Taxi Driver, Bus Driver, Teacher, Carpenter, Policeman, Plasterer, Paramedic, and a Nurse - to name just a few.

Mason's are from all walks of life.
Thats one of the joys of Freemasonry - meeting a wide cross section of people.

Don't know of any Judges though....

at what level though and most of what you mentioned are skilled in one way or another,apart from the postman.

and none of you will ever rise above the 3rd degree.:D

Well good luck to anyone who joins i for one will be staying well clear.ha ha:)

THE LIGHTBRINGERS: The Emissaries of Jahbulon (History of Freemasonry) -

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=7652891847477492406&ei=r0luScGHFIjojgLY37zQAw&q=+THE+LIGHTBRINGERS%3A+The+Emissaries+of+Jahbulon +%28History+of+Freemasonry%29+&hl=en

[lightgiver]

Right, the fact that you are British gives your assumption more credence than my refusal to assume without evidence.

Is this what goes on in your mind as you build all of your worldview upon false conclusions? You do know that when you build a house of cards, it will tumble down one day, right?

Keep exposing the irresponsible way you think to the rest of us so we know how seriously to take your posts from now on.

Irresponsible.:confused::confused:

are you kidding me,this is the truth.

and we all know about tumbling cards.

How much flippin evidence do you people need,

you are wide asleep.

you are from America what as this got to do with you.

You concentrate on your own country.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8739/presidentbushskullbonesiz3.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=presidentbushskullbonesiz3.jpg)

You sound a bit worried to me.

So what these bloodlines have done, sitting atop these pyramidal peaks, is actually to have manipulated the mass of the pyramid to fight itself, to war itself, to police itself-hence, divide and rule. It seems that they have had an agenda, which because it's focus is the lower fourth dimension, it's had a very different version of time to us-it can see down the three-dimensional timeline much further than we can-and it has actually had a long-term agenda, leading to the time we're going into now, to actually have global control through these global institutions of world government, world central banking, world currency, world army, world centralization of all things.

But, of course, if there's only a few of you and you need to control a large number of people, then it is absolutely vital that you centralize power. There are just too many areas of power and thought, and areas where people are making their own decisions about their own lives.

You just can't control that without organization. You have to centralize it. And the more you centralize it, the more power those few have over the masses, which is why global centralization of power (and the institutions) is what they've been working through all this time. And if you look at the incessant movement over these thousands of years, I'm talking about-it was slow to start with, and it just got faster and faster and faster as they've gotten control of more and more things.

http://www.metatech.org/david_icke_and_reptilians.html

[michael christopher]

You sound a bit worried to me.

I laughed out loud. You don't even know me, you are a delusional maniac.

But, of course, if there's only a few of you and you need to control a large number of people, then it is absolutely vital that you centralize power. There are just too many areas of power and thought, and areas where people are making their own decisions about their own lives.

Who do you think I am, David Rockefeller? Do you not read my posts telling people to engage their free will and break free from social restrictions all the time? It doesn't matter what people say or do. Accusatory Christians like you are always looking for witches to burn.

[lightgiver]

I laughed out loud. You don't even know me, you are a delusional maniac.



Who do you think I am, David Rockefeller? Do you not read my posts telling people to engage their free will and break free from social restrictions all the time? It doesn't matter what people say or do. Accusatory Christians like you are always looking for witches to burn.

I want to burn no one,i do not think in such a way,if you read my posts

people like you though tend not to see the bigger agenda,only their own.

and i belong to no LABEL:)

http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-hitler.html

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

Freemasons may make better jurors than other people, three judges have suggested. One was Lord Justice Carlisle, chairman of the committee which advises the Prime Minister on former senior civil servants accepting jobs in the private sector. He was giving a ruling in the Court of Appeal in Guernsey with Sir Peter Crill and John Nutting QC.

I bet they do.

English Freemasonry in its modern form was set up in 1717. Its ritual harks back to ancient Egypt, the Knights Templar and Pythagoras. Despite its links with charity, "the craft" has nevertheless been dogged by allegations of graft, corruption, bullying and back-scratching. In the Channel Islands,

You need to be looking at your own country one feels.

[yozhik]

Ummmm ... the "my cock is bigger than your cock", Masonic debate is over there; http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6296/arrow8zm8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/arrow8zm8.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/img364/arrow8zm8.jpg/1/)

:D

Last time I looked, this was about a woman who was punched, but the trial was cancelled because she was too credible and had an "unfair advantage" over the alleged perpetrator.

[lightgiver]

Ummmm ... the "my cock is bigger than your cock", Masonic debate is over there; http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6296/arrow8zm8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/arrow8zm8.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/img364/arrow8zm8.jpg/1/)

:D

Last time I looked, this was about a woman who was punched, but the trial was cancelled because she was too credible and had an "unfair advantage" over the alleged perpetrator.

is the thread not about corrupt judges,which in turn is linked to masons.

here is the link again.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

[michael christopher]

is the thread not about corrupt judges,which in turn is linked to masons.

here is the link again.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

It was linked to Masons by a couple of conspiracy theorists on the David Icke website who have no evidence whatsoever and have thoroughly demonstrated a willingness to attack and accuse anyone who disagrees with them...

Doesn't seem to be linked to Masonry by anyone but you and one or two other people. BTW:

I want to burn no one,i do not think in such a way,if you read my posts

people like you though tend not to see the bigger agenda,only their own.

and i belong to no LABEL

You are so full of yourself. You think because you claim to see the big picture that you somehow do? I probably know more about this than you do, although I don't really care to prove it. I just find it insulting to constantly be told I don't know what I'm talking about by some fascistic mind controller on the internet.

[lightgiver]

It was linked to Masons by a couple of conspiracy theorists on the David Icke website who have no evidence whatsoever and have thoroughly demonstrated a willingness to attack and accuse anyone who disagrees with them...

Doesn't seem to be linked to Masonry by anyone but you and one or two other people. BTW:



You are so full of yourself. You think because you claim to see the big picture that you somehow do? I probably know more about this than you do, although I don't really care to prove it. I just find it insulting to constantly be told I don't know what I'm talking about by some fascistic mind controller on the internet.

Bye Bye mason yankey,you are not baiting moi,see ya.

He who takes a stand is often wrong, but he who fails to take a stand is always wrong -
Anonymous

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

[yozhik]

is the thread not about corrupt judges,which in turn is linked to masons.




Ummmm ... not that I saw.
I saw it about the rights of a woman in court, the ridiculous statutes and a perversion of justice.

Doesn't appear to be anything in the story about the judge making the ruling because he was an active member of a Masonic Lodge or similar - which you have zero proof of anyway.
He might be; he might not be. Who knows?
Let me put it another way ... please provide proof of claim that this judge is a member of the Freemasons. Facts and evidence; not conjecture and opinion.

You're welcome to start a thread about judges and freemasonry, but in my opinion, it has no proven relevance to THIS thread.

[lightgiver]

Ummmm ... not that I saw.
I saw it about the rights of a woman in court, the ridiculous statutes and a perversion of justice.

Doesn't appear to be anything in the story about the judge making the ruling because he was an active member of a Masonic Lodge or similar - which you have zero proof of anyway.
He might be; he might not be. Who knows?
Let me put it another way ... please provide proof of claim that this judge is a member of the Freemasons. Facts and evidence; not conjecture and opinion.

You're welcome to start a thread about judges and freemasonry, but in my opinion, it has no proven relevance to THIS thread.

Are YOU a moderator or another baiter:eek:

and you have no idea he is or is not a mason:D

You have obviously ignored all the links on this forum.

This is getting to easy.Bye Bye.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

I wonder if there are any lodges in Budapest or is that made up?

Hungary
The Symbolic Grand Lodge of Hungary
(Magyarorsz=E1gi Szimb=F3likus Nagyp=E1holy)
Founded: 1989. Descent: Germany, Austria.
Address: Masonic Centre, L=F6v=F6lde t=E9r 2, H - 1071 Budapest.
Postal Address: P. O. Box 395, H - 1446 Budapest, Hungary.
Telephone & FAX: (36 1) 322 7339.
Lodges: 7. Membership: 170.

send ya top man.The impressive building belonged once to the Budapest Freemason Society any many original design elements have been kept intact: like the frescos on the walls, the imposing facade and the Venetian floor tiles that add the hotel a mysterious, antique feeling.

welcome to the hotel Cali......Hotel Rosslyn in budapest.

[steevo]

LightGiver is allowed to say that he thinks that the judge may be a freemason. AT THE RISK OF BEING RIDICULED I personally agree with him that the judge IS likely to be a freemason. Why are you all RIDICULING LightGiver just cos he has his opinion ? There is ALOT of ridiculing going on in these forums all of a sudden :cool:

"then they ridicule......"

[michael christopher]

LightGiver is allowed to say that he thinks that the judge may be a freemason. AT THE RISK OF BEING RIDICULED I personally agree with him that the judge IS likely to be a freemason. Why are you all RIDICULING LightGiver just cos he has his opinion ? There is ALOT of ridiculing going on in these forums all of a sudden :cool:

"then they ridicule......"

Because his assumptions encourage stupidity and confirmation bias. He has no idea what he's talking about, and has no evidence, and on top of that he is going around accusing anyone who thinks he is going overboard of being a Freemason. You don't find that a little ridiculous?

[steevo]

Because his assumptions encourage stupidity and confirmation bias. He has no idea what he's talking about, and has no evidence, and on top of that he is going around accusing anyone who thinks he is going overboard of being a Freemason. You don't find that a little ridiculous?

I dont find what he said in this thread to be ridiculous at all.

So you think that we should stop saying certain things because it might lead to us being ridiculed ?

[michael christopher]

I dont find what he said in this thread to be ridiculous at all.

So you think that we should stop saying certain things because it might lead to us being ridiculed ?

Did I say that? No.

I will just ridicule people for making unfair and ignorant assumptions in order to back up their pre-existing ideas about the world, especially on this forum where such thinking is rampant. Confirmation bias is the result of absolute stupidity and I would say over 50% of the people here have it. Everyone is just looking for evidence to support their own half-baked theories. What is going on is definitely out of this world insane, compared to what is considered normal, and there is plenty of room for diverse opinion. But did you not see how many people were accused of being Freemasons in this thread by simply asking for evidence of an unfounded claim? Do you know what the evidence that has been offered so far is? "Masons are very powerful, and this guy is a judge who made a bad decision! HE MUST BE A MASON!"

People have the right to act ridiculous, but if they act ridiculous they should expect to be ridiculed.

You are just twisting my words...

[lightgiver]

LightGiver is allowed to say that he thinks that the judge may be a freemason. AT THE RISK OF BEING RIDICULED I personally agree with him that the judge IS likely to be a freemason. Why are you all RIDICULING LightGiver just cos he has his opinion ? There is ALOT of ridiculing going on in these forums all of a sudden :cool:

"then they ridicule......"

They are not ridiculing steevo,they are just plain ignorant and are MASOONS.ie BUFFOONS.

Ignore their obvious baits.:)

do you see their info to prove the judicial system is not crawling with masons.

it will take more than a few ignorant words to affect moi:)

and yes the ridiculer shall become the ridiculed.

I was particularly disturbed by the attitudes of top Masons. I got to know several who are high court judges. In private they talk as if ordinary people are an expendable nuisance.

http://itwasjohnson.impiousdigest.com/modus1.htm

also remember not everyone is who they say they are,do not be fooled by fancy names or places,it is all thought control.

Be you,not want they want you to be.

Judges,who are they to judge me,judge yourself before you judge others. i have heard that somewhere before.

It's simple. A crooked judge is more likely not just to overlook the crimes of a fellow mason, but also more likely to use his authority to railroad an innocent defendant under the orders of a higher-ranking mason. Usually, it is done as a test of loyalty, in exchange for advancement, or some other reward.

I will not speak evil of a Companion Royal Arch Mason, behind his back nor before his face, but will appraise him of all approaching danger, if in my power.

One feels they are trying to protect the order,and that's the reason you never let them know who you are,covert not overt.

Look how they BEHAVE on here,imagine knowing them face to face and you got on their wrong side.

Remember the crusaders.

They just protect the ORDER,no matter who YOU are.

[michael christopher]

They are not ridiculing steevo,they are just plain ignorant and are masoons.

Ignore their obvious baits.:)

do you see their info to prove the judicial system is not crawling with masons.

it will take more than a few ignorant words to affect moi:)

and yes the ridiculer shall become the ridiculed.

You are so off-base, I really should just stop replying to you but I can't get over the fact that you are so sure of yourself and you are flat out wrong. It makes me think, do you not care about the accuracy of your claims at all? You have proven in this thread repeatedly that you don't give a shit whether or not your claims are accurate, you are just going to make them anyway. Sadly there are hundreds of people like you who post here. And you accuse people who disagree with you of being enemy infiltrators? Have you learned nothing from human history? Do you not respect others' right to disagree and ask for reason? And then you expect to be taken seriously? That way of thinking is a joke. You are only making yourself look bad.

[yozhik]

So now I'm a Mason?
Again; please provide proof of this claim against my character.

... and read my post again.
1. I never ridiculed you.
2. I merely stated that there was no proof that he was a mason.
3. I also suggested it was a topic for another thread.

But it seems you are hell bent on hijacking this thread about a WOMAN who was done an INJUSTICE into some personal tirade about Freemasonry.

[steevo]

Did I say that? No.

I will just ridicule people for making unfair and ignorant assumptions in order to back up their pre-existing ideas about the world, especially on this forum where such thinking is rampant.

Well carry on ridiculing people's GENUINE opinion then. :rolleyes:

Are you here to CONVINCE me that your views are right and mine are wrong ? If so dont bother. Speak your opinion by all means and we can all discuss it but why ridicule people to such an extent just for giving AN OPINION WHICH COULD BE RIGHT ?

[michael christopher]

Well carry on ridiculing people's GENUINE opinion then. :rolleyes:

Are you here to CONVINCE me that your views are right and mine are wrong ? If so dont bother. Speak what your opinion by all means and we can all discuss it but why ridicule people to such an extent just for giving an opinion WHICH COULD BE RIGHT ?

I was accused of being a Freemason for asking for evidence! Please! Re-read the post! You have no idea what you are talking about and lightgiver is CLEARLY being unreasonable - I guess you are unreasonable as well. Why am I wasting my time trying to speak reasonably to unreasonable people? I quit.

[yozhik]

and you have no idea he is or is not a mason

Correct.
Either do you.

Which is why I am not going around making unsubstantiated accusations, one way or the other. We have "no idea whether he is or is not a mason". On this point, we agree.
So I prefer to go to the default setting of not besmirching someone's character without having any relevant information, rather than having a default setting of prejudice and "guilty until proven innocent".

[lightgiver]

Correct.
Either do you.

Which is why I am not going around making unsubstantiated accusations, one way or the other. We have "no idea whether he is or is not a mason". On this point, we agree.
So I prefer to go to the default setting of not besmirching someone's character without having any relevant information, rather than having a default setting of prejudice and "guilty until proven innocent".

so why the hell are ignoring all the links i have put forward with the facts,:confused:

EXPLAIN and no BS please:)

[lightgiver]

Correct.
Either do you.

Which is why I am not going around making unsubstantiated accusations, one way or the other. We have "no idea whether he is or is not a mason". On this point, we agree.
So I prefer to go to the default setting of not besmirching someone's character without having any relevant information, rather than having a default setting of prejudice and "guilty until proven innocent".

so why the hell are ignoring all the links i have put forward with the facts,:confused:

EXPLAIN and no BS please:)

It's simple. A crooked judge is more likely not just to overlook the crimes of a fellow mason, but also more likely to use his authority to railroad an innocent defendant under the orders of a higher-ranking mason. Usually, it is done as a test of loyalty, in exchange for advancement, or some other reward.

I was particularly disturbed by the attitudes of top Masons. I got to know several who are high court judges. In private they talk as if ordinary people are an expendable nuisance.

MC go back to bed,you are wasting your energy

You will get no PERSONNEL info from me,i have been interrogated before,i know all about it..White noise, i have had worse verbal noise of my mother.

My mother would crack anyone including you lot.

[michael christopher]

so why the hell are ignoring all the links i have put forward with the facts,:confused:

EXPLAIN and no BS please:)

You have put forth no facts regarding this judge's involvement with Freemasonry.


MC go back to bed,you are wasting your energy

I wasn't in bed.

You will get no PERSONNEL info from me,i have been interrogated before,i know all about it..White noise, i have had worse verbal noise of my mother.

Why would I want your personal information, and BTW, who asked for it anyway? You sound like one of those perpetual-victim types.

My mother would crack anyone including you lot.

Is that why you ended up such a bully?

[comawhite015]

"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, or who said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."
~ Buddha


lol, lightgiver..

The fact that this is your signature is SO ironic..

yeah yeah I'm a Mason what the fuck ever.. I can quit the order.. but you.. well.. you'll always be *you*, won't you? :P

[lightgiver]

You have put forth no facts regarding this judge's involvement with Freemasonry.




I wasn't in bed.



Why would I want your personal information, and BTW, who asked for it anyway? You sound like one of those perpetual-victim types.



Is that why you ended up such a bully?

does your propaganda never cease.

I am far from a bully.I see the bully thought came from your side .

[lightgiver]

The fact that this is your signature is SO ironic..

yeah yeah I'm a Mason what the fuck ever.. you're a tool and I can quit..

Why is it ironic??have you not opened your New Zealand eyes,I have a couple of friends over there.apparently it is a nice place.
do you know the history of your bloody past,or as it nothing to do with YOU.

did you not read the links that are up??what is this SCOTCH MIST http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

With light comes darkness. goodness you need to live a bit sunshine.

[scatlond]

?????????

[comawhite015]

Why is it ironic??have you not opened your New Zealand eyes,I have a couple of friends over there.apparently it is a nice place.
do you know the history of your bloody past,or as it nothing to do with YOU.

did you not read the links that are up??

*chuckle* you don't even understan.. oh.. oh fuck it. Can't be bothered. Bye.

[lightgiver]

*chuckle* you don't even understan.. oh.. oh fuck it. Can't be bothered. Bye.

http://www.enzed.com/hist.html

The thread is corrupt judges,sorry for going of thread a bit,must be early in NZ.

night night:)

[michael christopher]

You know what, I admit it. I am a 98th degree Freemason (there are actually 99 degrees). I'm also 137 3D years old, and I come from Zeta Reticuli. My name pronounced in English is Zandar. Here is my photo when I'm not shapeshifting to deviously look human.

http://aliendocuments.bravehost.com/myPictures/aliendude.bmp

[steevo]

I should argue this smells more of Common Purpose than masonry. I wonder if the said judge has every been on any CP training? (Common Purpose that is, not the other kind of CP that many public school educated judges, lawyers and politicians are into.)

I would have thought that CP and the masons are somehow linked.

[atticus_finch]

What objective would the Freemasons or Common Purpose (if, at all involved) be perceived to achieve in this ruling?
(a straightforward question)

[lightgiver]

What objective would the Freemasons or Common Purpose (if, at all involved) be perceived to achieve in this ruling?
(a straightforward question)

Question everything:) try to think and feel outside of the box.

[atticus_finch]

Question everything:) try to think and feel outside of the box.

On the surface of things I don't see any cronyism, however I have been playing Canasta most of the evening so will ponder this tomorrow morning on my way to Green Park ;)

My acumen lends me to think 'outside of the box', however I was interested your perception in this affair.


Toodle pip!

[scotfree]

masonic manipulation

ditto

[grachtengordel]

this thread is so wrong, and whats all this 'masons' stuff????

It is like this, some young thieves robbed stuff from her car, she later picked one kid out from a 'video identity parade'. The woman victim was quoted as having seen the robber for "three seconds", long enough to be sure she recognised him from the 'video I.D.'

Its still her word against his

The victim is the ONLY witness. is there no evidence? fingerprints, dna, hair or fibres from the boy's clothes?

You cannot convict a man simply because someone says he did it

I reckon michel jackson is a sick peado and he did it , but you can't lock him up just because i think he looks 'the type'

The Crown Prosecution Service should never have let it come to court, they did not have a strong case

judge was right to do that

All the people fuming and spluttering about how wrong it is and stich ups and masons are having thier strings pulled by this non story

this story is supposed to outrage you, make you feel like the victim with no recourse to justice

[alfrmo]

This case is quite staggering, I thought there must be another witness because

the learner driver froze? we also mustn't forget these incompetents in the

judiciary have been told to cut back on the amount of convictions they are

handing out due to lack of prison places. There is also the demand from the

public naturally outraged by this decision, and the subsequent demand for

more draconian powers for the state in order to protect young blonde driving

instructors of immaculate character from the "pond life!".

[drhemp]

What objective would the Freemasons or Common Purpose (if, at all involved) be perceived to achieve in this ruling?
(a straightforward question)

Common Purpose trained Janet Paraskeva, the Law Society's Chief Executive Officer. Surprising numbers of lawyers are CP members. It is no coincidence that justice is more expensive, more flawed and more corrupt. And no surprise the courts refused to uphold the law, when a challenge was made to the signing of the six EU treaties, which illegally abolish Britain's sovereignty.


source: http://www.tpuc.org/node/107

[mary mary]

OMG now ive read everthing, i cant believe such crap, what is the point of being of good character, as they say, if it means nothing, judge should be sent to borstal, :D

[miranda]

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of the actual case, the fact that we have a judge stopping a witness's/victim's statement because she's 'too believable' flies in the face of free speech, and the right to be oneself and be heard. The dichotomy of being 'too believable' may also carry overtones of 'newspeak' contradiction ...

I did think masonic manipulation at first: simply because this case and the judge's statements fly so in the face of common sense and justice, you think there MUST be a deeper reason ... even if it's 'just' to make us all feel that bit more insecure in our rights, or 'just' that the judge is being controlled by CP or something ... Whether or not the victim was 'too believable' is surely for the Jury to decide. I've yet to hear of a Judge pulling a case because the accused was 'too believable.'

This really does seem like one of those cases where there IS something going on behind the scenes. Unles the press has inflated it out of nothing. And why would they do that? (see above ... )

[godspeed]

can someone tell me what the fuck is going on...i know of someone in prison for just word of mouth and then you see this...and when i tell lawyers its just word of mouth they get all defensive and ban me from their office.......lol.....crazy law makers indeed.....:D

[kingmob]

The judge was bribed. Simple. This kind of things happen all the time in Eastern Europe, and people stopped responding to crap like this. This shit happens all the time during corporate lawsuits too, but it doens't get noticed as much.

This judge is just going to get full karma penalty when his ugly mug finishes his assignment.

[lightgiver]

this thread is so wrong, and whats all this 'masons' stuff????

It is like this, some young thieves robbed stuff from her car, she later picked one kid out from a 'video identity parade'. The woman victim was quoted as having seen the robber for "three seconds", long enough to be sure she recognised him from the 'video I.D.'

Its still her word against his

The victim is the ONLY witness. is there no evidence? fingerprints, dna, hair or fibres from the boy's clothes?

You cannot convict a man simply because someone says he did it

I reckon michel jackson is a sick peado and he did it , but you can't lock him up just because i think he looks 'the type'

The Crown Prosecution Service should never have let it come to court, they did not have a strong case

judge was right to do that

All the people fuming and spluttering about how wrong it is and stich ups and masons are having thier strings pulled by this non story

this story is supposed to outrage you, make you feel like the victim with no recourse to justice

do you know who the young thieves father is??

[rockit]

this thread is so wrong, and whats all this 'masons' stuff????

It is like this, some young thieves robbed stuff from her car, she later picked one kid out from a 'video identity parade'. The woman victim was quoted as having seen the robber for "three seconds", long enough to be sure she recognised him from the 'video I.D.'

Its still her word against his

The victim is the ONLY witness. is there no evidence? fingerprints, dna, hair or fibres from the boy's clothes?

You cannot convict a man simply because someone says he did it

I reckon michel jackson is a sick peado and he did it , but you can't lock him up just because i think he looks 'the type'

The Crown Prosecution Service should never have let it come to court, they did not have a strong case

judge was right to do that

All the people fuming and spluttering about how wrong it is and stich ups and masons are having thier strings pulled by this non story

this story is supposed to outrage you, make you feel like the victim with no recourse to justice

Sh*t on me, the voice of reason at last!

This case should not have gone to court. End of.

The judge has thrown it out as it is unfairly biased against the defendant because the only witness is someone who a jury would believe without question. There is no other evidence! The case would be unfairly biased in favour of the prosecution and that is unacceptable. Or are we all ok with that? Yep? Orwellian state anyone?

Everyone is assuming that because the police have arrested someone and that they have then been brought before a jury of their peers that they must be guilty. That to me sounds like the NWO is already here and functioning very nicely indeed thank you. Cos we all know the police are not exactly white knights. (yeah some are but it's a dwindling minority)

Witness testimony is always considered flaky at best especially if the woman is only supposed to have seen the defendant for mere seconds. The judge is quite right to stop this nonsense right away and the CPS should be reprimanded for wasting our time and money.

Seriously people, for a group who should be a little more aware of media manipulation you really have swallowed this right down.

[ritchs]

Its terrible to say, but if this had happened over here in the usa, my first reaction would be that someone was paid off. That the fix was in. Either he had a rich uncle or the kid was related to someone.

Can't believe she got a broken nose too. shheee....

[yozhik]

Sh*t on me, the voice of reason at last!

This case should not have gone to court. End of.

The judge has thrown it out as it is unfairly biased against the defendant because the only witness is someone who a jury would believe without question. There is no other evidence! The case would be unfairly biased in favour of the prosecution and that is unacceptable. Or are we all ok with that? Yep? Orwellian state anyone?

Everyone is assuming that because the police have arrested someone and that they have then been brought before a jury of their peers that they must be guilty. That to me sounds like the NWO is already here and functioning very nicely indeed thank you. Cos we all know the police are not exactly white knights. (yeah some are but it's a dwindling minority)

Witness testimony is always considered flaky at best especially if the woman is only supposed to have seen the defendant for mere seconds. The judge is quite right to stop this nonsense right away and the CPS should be reprimanded for wasting our time and money.

Seriously people, for a group who should be a little more aware of media manipulation you really have swallowed this right down.

This would have to be the saddest indictment on just how complete the erosion of "what was good" has become.

Common Law - that which all justice was built on - was based on claimant and defendant being judged by 12 of their peers.
It came down to the credibility of each man and woman. This is when a man's word was his bond - when morality, ethics, honesty and justice actually meant something.

Now, everything has become so money oriented and driven by the illogic of political correctness, that we have forgotten the very basics, the ""fabric" of a community.

Congratulations; your programming is complete.

[ritchs]

So what really happened, she beat herself up and broke her own nose? Wow!

[grachtengordel]

do you know who the young thieves father is??

do you mean the boy accused of being a thief?

the suspense is killing me

who is his father?

[grachtengordel]

the fact that we have a judge stopping a witness's/victim's statement because she's 'too believable' flies in the face of free speech, and the right to be oneself and be heard.

When you step into a court you do not have those rights. Most attempts to exercise these rights will be treated as 'contempt of court'. I f you don't believe me, Try it, tell the judge he is a fool and you don't respect his decision.

[michael christopher]

do you mean the boy accused of being a thief?

the suspense is killing me

who is his father?

lightgiver has no idea who the person's father is, s/he is merely making the baseless assumption that the father was a Mason because God knows things like this can ONLY happen to Masons.

[mary mary]

and at the end of the day, if the so called Perpetrator was innocent, whats the problem. If she picked him out of an id parade, but it was still thrown out, whats the point of an id parade? someone on here said its for the judge to decide, well he did, he decided that she was too honest.................so, should the lad accused be let off because his accuser is to honest looking, or should she be condemned for being of honest character? for every action is a reaction, what are people to make of this.
the natural assumption would be that if your robbed and look decent and honest, hard working etc etc, forget a fair trial, because it will bias the jury. Did i just wake up in never land? when did this flip switch occur ?

The judge, in my view, should have left his feeling at home, thats what they are meant to do, and tried the case, if the defender could prove his innocence, in a court of peers (jury) then fair enough, if his case was sound, it wouldnt be a problem. If the defendant failed to get a conviction based on her statement and account of events, then fair enough, the thing is, it never got to this point, justice never came into the equation.[/SIZE]

[onourwayto2012]

http://itwasjohnson.impiousdigest.com/modus1.htm
great link lightgiver!
this thread is what I love about the DI forum... 20 different opinions from 10 different people.
so the lesson from this case is: be scared to speak up because you too will get shafted

[rockit]

This would have to be the saddest indictment on just how complete the erosion of "what was good" has become.

Common Law - that which all justice was built on - was based on claimant and defendant being judged by 12 of their peers.
It came down to the credibility of each man and woman. This is when a man's word was his bond - when morality, ethics, honesty and justice actually meant something.

Now, everything has become so money oriented and driven by the illogic of political correctness, that we have forgotten the very basics, the ""fabric" of a community.

Congratulations; your programming is complete.

Yes and in the past the legal system was responsible for far more injustices than it is now you condescending fuckwit.

I have been part of a jury and have seen first hand just how unbelievably easily people are led by a strong personality. If the case consisted of no other evidence then it should be thrown out.

I still can't believe that everyone is assuming guilt! The phrase is innocent until [B]PROVEN GUILTY[B]. Not the other way round. Just cos "The Sun" says so does not a guilty verdict make.

I really hope there's no "enlightened" people on a jury if I ever end up wrongly accused of anything. I'll be hung drawn and quartered before you can say "defense".

yozhik: Fuck off and get some proper opinions cos that's the biggest load of shit I've ever heard.

[mary mary]

I still can't believe that everyone is assuming guilt! The phrase is innocent until [B]PROVEN GUILTY[B]. Not the other way round. Just cos "The Sun" says so does not a guilty verdict make.
.
You KNOW its supposed to be that way, and I know it too, but the reality today is that even though we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, it is very obviously , and has been for some time, guilty until proven innocent. Media, if its involved in a case, can paint a very different picture, one in which a defendant who is supposed to innocent until proven otherwise, finds the roles reversed. You can bet your bottom dollar that if you break the law and get caught, the police and powers that be will and do treat you as guilty, and its then up to you to prove otherwise. its the way the system is set up, and its only an illusion that your innocent until proven guilty. Put it to the test, go on, see for yourself.

[rockit]

Put it to the test, go on, see for yourself.

I have seen it for myself and a fair trial was absolutely what was ensured by the presiding judge.

I know everyone on this forum has a right to be paranoid given the info we are privy to but the unwavering belief that EVERYTHING is carefully controlled and executed by some malign power is just incorrect.

The case in question is simply media manipulation at it's very best. It's got a bunch of self proclaimed open minded people clamouring for a mans head when all he has done is endeavoured to be fair and do his job properly.

So I say again, I really cannot believe you people have fallen for it.

[mary mary]

I understand what your saying, and i rarely believe anything im told im afraid lol, hence my user name, but the whole thing is a mute point, justice was never served, either way, for or against, because the judge decided she was to honest looking. thats the point in question, not was the guy guilty or not, a jury would have done its job properly with the evidence given, it never got to that point, because the judge decided she was to honest looking, see what im trying to say here ?

say you get robbed, you go to court, the judge says you know what, your too honest looking, therefore im not sending it to trial, now lets flip it. You commit a crime, the judge says im sending you to trial because you look dodgy, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE HERE, none. it is not for the judge to decide pre trial who LOOKS THE PART AND WHO DOESNT. can you not see this ??

we are all intiltle to a FAIR trial if we are the victims of a crime, tell me , whats fair in this.

I can understand your angst, but please dont label me as gullible, you will soon learn im not.

peace :):)

[rockit]

Oh FFS. One person's word against another's does not a court case make. Fin.