New anti Masonic party

[gtycoon]

I'm thinking of starting a new Anti-Masonic political party. Not aimed at eliminating them , but making them sign onto registry. Not allowing masons to promote just masons like they do now on police forces and jobs.

The party would be much more of an anti - Illuminati party but I'm starting with what people really know about.

What kind of opposition should I expect?

[slartibartfast]

I'm thinking of starting a new Anti-Masonic political party. Not aimed at eliminating them , but making them sign onto registry. Not allowing masons to promote just masons like they do now on police forces and jobs.

The party would be much more of an anti - Illuminati party but I'm starting with what people really know about.

What kind of opposition should I expect?

Can you do an Anti-Golf Club one as well?

[localidiot]

I'm thinking of starting a new Anti-Masonic political party. Not aimed at eliminating them , but making them sign onto registry. Not allowing masons to promote just masons like they do now on police forces and jobs.

The party would be much more of an anti - Illuminati party but I'm starting with what people really know about.

What kind of opposition should I expect?

So you want people to register? Suppose they get a grand yellow star to, eh?
No opposition here, as long as you make Christians, Muslims, Jews, Wiccans, Elk Lodge Members, Moose Lodge members, take stock of every person's associates to know exactly who is friends with who... ect.

If you want to rgister someone, why stock with only one group?

[mike martin]

What kind of opposition should I expect?

The European Court of Human Rights for one!

We have the right to "freedom of association" and as Freemasonry is (despite what you may think) not an illegal institution, which does not exist for nefarious purposes, such a move would infringe our human rights.

Mike

[boots]

I'm thinking of starting a new Anti-Masonic political party. Not aimed at eliminating them , but making them sign onto registry. Not allowing masons to promote just masons like they do now on police forces and jobs.

The party would be much more of an anti - Illuminati party but I'm starting with what people really know about.

What kind of opposition should I expect?

Good idea.

But expect ALL the tentacles from the octopus to be on your back.

EVERYONE has a right to free speech.

.

[kenny_bubb]

So, the conspiracy suggests the Masons' tentacles reach to the top of Governments and beyond, rendering democracy and the political process a waste of time, as the public have no ultimate control over the real puppet masters pulling the strings.

And your proposed plan of action? To form a new political party!

I spot a fatal flaw......

[grandsecretary]

I'm thinking of starting a new Anti-Masonic political party. Not aimed at eliminating them , but making them sign onto registry. Not allowing masons to promote just masons like they do now on police forces and jobs.

The party would be much more of an anti - Illuminati party but I'm starting with what people really know about.

What kind of opposition should I expect?

From anyone who places personal freedom above fascist dictatorship and/or dictatorship of the proletariat.

[rhydra]

If successful and laws mean Masons have to register, the same law would then mean all members of the David Icke forum would have to register. Things tend to backfire that way. Anyway would people join something as widely discussed as Freemasons to start going about secret plots and plans? I would have thought that if someone is up to no good they would join some secret society that is actually secret, ie, no one but they know about.

[eastbeast]

I will never admit to being a member of a Yacht club......Ooops damn. Ok I let that one slip, but I am definately not able to speak French. Damn! or Spanish. Damn!

I will never sign anything that identifies me as someone who wears Trousers. Damn my loose tongue!!!!!!!!!

Good job the UK taxpayers have bottomless pockets with all these registers to sign and police.......

Still, unemployment would be a thing of the past due to all the civil servants needed to administer those registers.

Cut to scene in the careers advisor's room at School;

"So little Johnny, what do you want to be when you leave School, a Police Officer or a Civil Servant?"

[gtycoon]

So you want people to register? Suppose they get a grand yellow star to, eh?
No opposition here, as long as you make Christians, Muslims, Jews, Wiccans, Elk Lodge Members, Moose Lodge members, take stock of every person's associates to know exactly who is friends with who... ect.

If you want to rgister someone, why stock with only one group?

Sorry, I'm bad at articulating my thoughts sometimes... I mean an political party in the sense that we would not vote for masons/eastern stars/Illuminati and only vote for their opposition. So if there is a Freemason/Knight of Malta/etc etc running for sheriff, mayor, etc etc we vote them out.

The political party would not really have people running on the platform.

I would hire people to expose masonic businesses and boycott them....

[gtycoon]

The European Court of Human Rights for one!

We have the right to "freedom of association" and as Freemasonry is (despite what you may think) not an illegal institution, which does not exist for nefarious purposes, such a move would infringe our human rights.

Mike

If Freemasons have "freedom of association", then so should the Bloods and Crips in LA.

Freemasons love rules except when it applies to them.

I think United States Freemasons should be tried under Federal RICO statutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act

I have seen Freemason in action and how they get away things that tax paying citizens do not get away with.

We get thousands in fines and you walk free. Not a "LEVEL" playing field.

I also think we should follow the separation of church and state in the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state
And limit how many Masons can be in a branch of the government.

[comawhite015]

Would you make them wear arm-bands with the symbol on it, too?

http://www.jewishmemory.info/images/2000-2999/2314/3.jpg.jpg

http://www.jewishmemory.info/images/2000-2999/2229/1.jpg.jpg

That's how it starts.

[mike martin]

If Freemasons have "freedom of association", then so should the Bloods and Crips in LA.
Try and read all the way to the end of the line. Freemasonry is not illegal in this country and neither are its activities.

What are "Bloods" and "Crips"? Silly names! What are they more "Masonic" rappers??:)

Freemasons love rules except when it applies to them.
The rules apply the same to us as to everyone else, regardless of what you think.

I think United States Freemasons should be tried under Federal RICO statutes.
For what exactly? Being freemasons! get a life.

I have seen Freemason in action and how they get away things that tax paying citizens do not get away with.
Of course you have, there there.

BTW Freemason are tax paying citizens, same as every one else. But you don't know that do you, oh well.

We get thousands in fines and you walk free. Not a "LEVEL" playing field.
Oh god, you're just so funny. Maybe you should break less laws! That's how it works by the way.

I also think we should follow the separation of church and state in the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state
And limit how many Masons can be in a branch of the government.
Oh yes well what ever.

I'm in England and to be frank I could barely care less what americans do or want except when it costs the lives of our service personnel, fighting wars because your president says so.

Mike

[grandsecretary]

THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/grandsecretary/HumanRights.jpg

PRIVACY: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honor and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."

[kweli]

I can fully understand why the majority of Freemasons are against a public register. However, I find it ironic that they feel the need to compile and publish (all over the internet) a list of anti masons. What's that all about?

The list includes researchers such as: David Icke, Michael Tsarsion, Alan Watt and many others; there's even members of this very forum on it! Is it one rule for the masons and another for the profane?

[lightgiver]

THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/grandsecretary/HumanRights.jpg

PRIVACY: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honor and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."


Yeah its a pity all ours are going down a shady road,all the words you are stating,and this is what we are stating,that something is not quite right with TPTB.

I should say something definitely not quite right,but no one likes putting their head on the line.

did you hear barosso, the british are ready for the Euro,how does he know,it must be is mate mandy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJu82glr-bg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJu82glr-bg

I get a bad vibe from this guy.

[comawhite015]

I can fully understand why the majority of Freemasons are against a public register. However, I find it ironic that they feel the need to compile and publish (all over the internet) a list of anti masons. What's that all about?

The list includes researchers such as: David Icke, Michael Tsarsion, Alan Watt and many others; there's even members of this very forum on it! Is it one rule for the masons and another for the profane?

Lawl. There's lists of supposed Masons fucken EVERYWHERE you look on the internet, foo' :P

You can start with this web forum.

Christ.

[grandsecretary]

I can fully understand why the majority of Freemasons are against a public register. However, I find it ironic that they feel the need to compile and publish (all over the internet) a list of anti masons. What's that all about?

The list includes researchers such as: David Icke, Michael Tsarsion, Alan Watt and many others; there's even members of this very forum on it! Is it one rule for the masons and another for the profane?

SOURCES and examples of such Masonic lists please.

[grandsecretary]

... did you hear barosso, the british are ready for the Euro,how does he know,it must be is mate mandy?

He is wrong, and so is "Mandy".

Such a decision will have to be the subject of referendums in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and IMHO it will not succeed.

[lightgiver]

Lawl. There's lists of Masons fucken EVERYWHERE you look on the internet, foo' :P

You can start with this web forum.

Christ.

HHmmm i feel something not quite right here,???????????

[lightgiver]

He is wrong, and so is "Mandy".

Such a decision will have to be the subject of referendums in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and IMHO it will not succeed.

Time will tell,

and is that, what time is it??

There is no time,:confused:

Have you ever heard that one.:)

[comawhite015]

HHmmm i feel something not quite right here,???????????

Ah! I was waiting for you.

You know exactly who is a Mason and who isn't, so you'll be able to shed light on the subject. You can help kweli out on her quest for knowledge.

[mike martin]

I can fully understand why the majority of Freemasons are against a public register. However, I find it ironic that they feel the need to compile and publish (all over the internet) a list of anti masons. What's that all about?

The list includes researchers such as: David Icke, Michael Tsarsion, Alan Watt and many others; there's even members of this very forum on it! Is it one rule for the masons and another for the profane?
I take it you mean the list on www.masonicinfo.com . you do realise that is a site owned and run by one Freemason (Ed King) don't you? All he has done is made a list of people who have shown themselves to publicly be anti-Masonic. However the list doesn't have any personal details etc and only contains the details that anyone can find by looking.

Now of course I wouldn't be adverse to you deciding to make a similar list of Freemasons, ie compiled of Freemasons who are happy to have their names splashed over the Internet. You can start with me, if you like. In fact Joe Striling already did, last year he sent his newsletter to every UK MP with my name included in it, I still don't really understand why.

However, as you and I both know that is not what the list of Freemasons is intended to be.

Mike

[mike martin]

did you hear barosso, the british are ready for the Euro,how does he know,it must be is mate mandy?
I get a bad vibe from this guy.

Ready? NO!

However, it's bound to be the next (or one after) step, like the Irish, now that they've managed to make the pound worth a Euro.

Mike

[lightgiver]

Ready? NO!

However, it's bound to be the next (or one after) step, like the Irish, now that they've managed to make the pound worth a Euro.

Mike

I think all this European stuff is nonsense,people should keep their own country's and currency,and get back to some normality whatever that is.

It all stinks as far as i am concerned.Stuff the Euro.

Nathan Mayer von Rothschild(1840-1915), 1st Baron Rothschild,

“I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man that controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.”

THE TEN ORIGINAL MEMBER BANKS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE

All owned by the Rothschilds

Rothschild Bank of London
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Lehman Brothers of New York
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

[mike martin]

I think all this European stuff is nonsense,people should keep their own country's and currency,and get back to some normality whatever that is.

It all stinks as far as i am concerned.Stuff the Euro.

Well it turns out we do agree about something,

Who'dathunkit:)

Mike

[kweli]

SOURCES and examples of such Masonic lists please.

Here's one Peter, there's others if you look. This one even does a short write up on the majority of those on the list. http://www.masonicinfo.com/people.htm

[mike martin]

Here's one Peter, there's others if you look. This one even does a short write up on the majority of those on the list. http://www.masonicinfo.com/people.htm
Please see post #23

Mike

[grandsecretary]

Well it turns out we do agree about something,

Who'dathunkit:)

Mike

I supported the ideas of a Common Market, but I am very unhappy with the entire concept of European and Monetary Union.

That's 100% of Masons here in opposition so far. Mike, we will be cashiered :) and drummed out of the Illuminati if we are not careful!

[lightgiver]

Well it turns out we do agree about something,

Who'dathunkit:)

Mike

and all that cash should be getting people out of squalor and to start and clean up decayed inner Britain because otherwise England is heading in a unpleasant direction,and stopping the sale of arms to these insane people and for world leaders to stand up like grown mature adults and discussing the unjustness going on in every single dept including their own to start with.

One can dream i suppose;)

The rich get rich and the poor get poorer ,oh and get their land robbed off them in plain view.

Just does not seem right does it now.

oh and the British government sells the arms to nations,that use them to kill civilians including babies,

how do these people sleep at night with that on their consciousness,maybe that's why i am not sleeping well,because i have a conscious.

How would you feel mike if the bombs were dropping on your family?

if you masons have influence you should be doing something about this insanity going on in Gaza and stay true to your principles you keep harping on about.

[grandsecretary]

Here's one Peter, there's others if you look. This one even does a short write up on the majority of those on the list. http://www.masonicinfo.com/people.htm

I know that this website is "passed off" as a "Masonic" site, but it is not. It is one Freemason's propoganda. It is not a very pleasant place to visit, so I don't, I leave it to our legal team.

[grandsecretary]

If you masons have influence you should be doing something about this insanity going on in Gaza and stay true to your principles you keep harping on about.

How do you know that we are not using our influence, as men, and as Masons?

You should not make such assumptions, and when a Mason becomes President once again (very soon), I am sure that you will see a fairer, and a more robust approach in defence of human rights in The Middle East.

I certainly hope so.

[kweli]

I take it you mean the list on www.masonicinfo.com . you do realise that is a site owned and run by one Freemason (Ed King) don't you? All he has done is made a list of people who have shown themselves to publicly be anti-Masonic. However the list doesn't have any personal details etc and only contains the details that anyone can find by looking.

Now of course I wouldn't be adverse to you deciding to make a similar list of Freemasons, ie compiled of Freemasons who are happy to have their names splashed over the Internet. You can start with me, if you like. In fact Joe Striling already did, last year he sent his newsletter to every UK MP with my name included in it, I still don't really understand why.

However, as you and I both know that is not what the list of Freemasons is intended to be.

Mike


Do you seriously expect me to believe that that site is run by one bloke? Why - just because he's the site owner and it's registered in his name? What other evidence do you have?

Taken from the site:

"This is now our ELEVENTH YEAR"

"Our site contains over three hundred pages of facts. We hope it will be enlightening. There's a comprehensive internal Search Engine to help you locate a particular word or phrase but you may find our Site Map helpful for just browsing.

We have tried to present 'just the facts' on this site but if you're absolutely sure that Masonry is wrong and you know this beyond a shadow of doubt, click here and go directly to some things especially for you! If you'd like to read a message about Masonry and anti-Masonry (antimasonry) from the top leader of Freemasonry, just click here. There's also some information about the site at our page titled 'Site Facts'.

This site's owner, Ed King, also maintains a blog where he writes about contemporary issues in Freemasonry using the moniker of 'The Old Webmaster'. You can find it here.

Regular visitors should watch our Diary page to see what's different since their last visit. Some may need to refresh their browser each time in order to see our changes. We hope you find the information on this site helpful.

Have you gotten an e-mail (you think is) from us? One with a virus maybe? Please read this!"

[lightgiver]

Do you seriously expect me to believe that that site is run by one bloke? Why - just because he's the site owner and it's registered in his name? What other evidence do you have?

Taken from the site:

"This is now our ELEVENTH YEAR"

"Our site contains over three hundred pages of facts. We hope it will be enlightening. There's a comprehensive internal Search Engine to help you locate a particular word or phrase but you may find our Site Map helpful for just browsing.

We have tried to present 'just the facts' on this site but if you're absolutely sure that Masonry is wrong and you know this beyond a shadow of doubt, click here and go directly to some things especially for you! If you'd like to read a message about Masonry and anti-Masonry (antimasonry) from the top leader of Freemasonry, just click here. There's also some information about the site at our page titled 'Site Facts'.

This site's owner, Ed King, also maintains a blog where he writes about contemporary issues in Freemasonry using the moniker of 'The Old Webmaster'. You can find it here.

Regular visitors should watch our Diary page to see what's different since their last visit. Some may need to refresh their browser each time in order to see our changes. We hope you find the information on this site helpful.

Have you gotten an e-mail (you think is) from us? One with a virus maybe? Please read this!"

Speaking of viruses,yes make sure you are protected when accessing mason sites:eek:
nearly happened to me,nasty trojan:eek:

[kweli]

Oh forgot this bit:

Thanks

'A bit of recognition is in order because without some truly great examples on the road before me, this site could have never blossomed as it has. Brothers Mike Ermel, Gene Goldman, Mike Wells and (while last, certainly not least), Michael Poll have proven time and time again to be excellent models of calmness in face of fury, objectivity in spite of denigration and lies, and fearlessness when confronted by threats, both implied and actual. They've been great teachers and were, cumulatively, the genesis of this web site. Thank you, Brethren!'

Full article: http://www.masonicinfo.com/thanks.htm

[mike martin]

if you masons have influence you should be doing something about this insanity going on in Gaza and stay true to your principles you keep harping on about.
We have the same influence as everyone else, all we can do is vote just like everyone else. The problem is that a lot of people who don't like our government talk the talk but don't walk the walk and then don't even bother to vote, so we're stuck with them.

Mike

[mike martin]

Do you seriously expect me to believe that that site is run by one bloke? Why - just because he's the site owner and it's registered in his name? What other evidence do you have?
Hmm emails, phone calls, personal interaction with him, i don't know.

Taken from the site:

"This is now our ELEVENTH YEAR"

"Our site contains over three hundred pages of facts. We hope it will be enlightening. There's a comprehensive internal Search Engine to help you locate a particular word or phrase but you may find our Site Map helpful for just browsing.

We have tried to present 'just the facts' on this site but if you're absolutely sure that Masonry is wrong and you know this beyond a shadow of doubt, click here and go directly to some things especially for you! If you'd like to read a message about Masonry and anti-Masonry (antimasonry) from the top leader of Freemasonry, just click here. There's also some information about the site at our page titled 'Site Facts'.

This site's owner, Ed King, also maintains a blog where he writes about contemporary issues in Freemasonry using the moniker of 'The Old Webmaster'. You can find it here.

Regular visitors should watch our Diary page to see what's different since their last visit. Some may need to refresh their browser each time in order to see our changes. We hope you find the information on this site helpful.

Have you gotten an e-mail (you think is) from us? One with a virus maybe? Please read this!"
As the old joke goes (Falklands 81), fuck me sir it's a trap there's two of them.

The point is that it is an individual effort (even if he has a helper or two) not even one Grand Lodge involved.

ALTHOUGH I notice this diversion has meant that you haven't answered the important point I made about the proposed list.

Mike

[grandsecretary]

Do you seriously expect me to believe that that site is run by one bloke?

This site's owner, Ed King, also maintains a blog where he writes about contemporary issues in Freemasonry using the moniker of 'The Old Webmaster'. You can find it here.

Absolutely. If one man, "the webmaster" can run a blogsite on his own, then he can, and does own and manage this website in his own name.

In fact he says so, on the website.

This site and its contents are © (copyright) 1998-2008 by Edward L. King (Ed King). All rights reserved. All comments and opinions are mine personally.

[localidiot]

Sorry, I'm bad at articulating my thoughts sometimes... I mean an political party in the sense that we would not vote for masons/eastern stars/Illuminati and only vote for their opposition. So if there is a Freemason/Knight of Malta/etc etc running for sheriff, mayor, etc etc we vote them out.

The political party would not really have people running on the platform.

I would hire people to expose masonic businesses and boycott them....

Er... judging from this site and others like it how would you make a judgement on wether or not someone is a Mason?
Most of the threads and such claiming someone is a Mason state it based on hearsay. Pretty much EVERY person with either a bit of fame or in any point of political influence is stated to be a Mason.
And, apparently you would disregard someone's actual runnng platform in view of their membership.
So... regardless of who is running against them, you'd vote for the other guy.

[grandsecretary]

Er... judging from this site and others like it how would you make a judgement on wether or not someone is a Mason?
Most of the threads and such claiming someone is a Mason state it based on hearsay. Pretty much EVERY person with either a bit of fame or in any point of political influence is stated to be a Mason.
And, apparently you would disregard someone's actual runnng platform in view of their membership.
So... regardless of who is running against them, you'd vote for the other guy.

It would be very dangerous IMHO to vote for anyone because they are a Freemason. Freemasonry is a very broad church. For instance, Lord Mandelson is often mentioned as a Mason. His grandfather (Herbert Morrison MP) was a Mason, but Mandelson is definitely not a Mason, and seems to be very anti. They were/are both leading Labour politicians. Mandelson might very well have become a Freemason, he simply chose not to do so. You must listen to their politics, not whether or not they are Masons.

There are Masons in all three major political parties in England. Their politics is far more important to the electorate than their Masonry

[boots]

How do you know that we are not using our influence, as men, and as Masons?

You should not make such assumptions, and when a Mason becomes President once again (very soon), I am sure that you will see a fairer, and a more robust approach in defence of human rights in The Middle East.

I certainly hope so.

Thats the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Your one sick puppy who is very deluded. When Israel is masonic all the way

The supreme courthouse:rolleyes:

..http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6415/supremecourtjd0.jpg (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supremecourtjd0.jpg)

[lightgiver]

How do you know that we are not using our influence, as men, and as Masons?

You should not make such assumptions, and when a Mason becomes President once again (very soon), I am sure that you will see a fairer, and a more robust approach in defence of human rights in The Middle East.

I certainly hope so.

we shall see:):eek::confused: babies are still dying though,i suppose i will give the benefit of the doubt,but there is no excuse for what is happening in gaza.and countless others i can recall.

It is going to take some one with balls and courage to sort this one out in a peaceful way,but peace is the only way,but still the slaughter continues and lies on the MSM are rife it is ultra blatant,you need no degree to work that one out.

time is ticking???

General Information
The Grand Lodge of the State of Israel was consecrated on October 20, 1953 at the Y.M.C.A. Hall in Jerusalem.
The first Masonic Lodge in the Holy Land was the Royal Solomon Mother Lodge No. 293, under the Grand Lodge of Canada in Ontario, whose first meeting was held in the King Solomon's Quarries of Jerusalem on May 7, 1873.
Before that, an occasional assembly of Masons performed a Secret Monitor ceremony in the same location on May 13, 1868.
The Jubilee celebration took place on October 20, 2003 in Tel Aviv.

if only it was true what you are saying?it is a very weak benefit of the doubt BTW,i nearly got swayed then.cheers boots for the pic it jolted me,do these masons have no job to go to,seeing you work all them long hours GS and MM,you are always on here hell of a lot.?and marpat seeing he is in the overstretched forces he is always on here, he as thousands of posts,wonder how he manages to keep it up???

[localidiot]

It would be very dangerous IMHO to vote for anyone because they are a Freemason. Freemasonry is a very broad church. For instance, Lord Mandelson is often mentioned as a Mason. His grandfather (Herbert Morrison MP) was a Mason, but Mandelson is definitely not a Mason, and seems to be very anti.

I was referring to Gtycoon's movement against Freemasonry as a whole.
Personally, I tend to disregard wehter or not someone is a FreeMason. I am well aware that there are several different factions of Masonry.

What I meant to say is that the general evidence needed for someone to be declared a Mason is fairly low.
Like with many other similar declarations, it seems that all that is required is for someone to have a particular grudge.

[grandsecretary]

I was referring to Gtycoon's movement against Freemasonry as a whole.
Personally, I tend to disregard wehter or not someone is a FreeMason. I am well aware that there are several different factions of Masonry.

What I meant to say is that the general evidence needed for someone to be declared a Mason is fairly low.
Like with many other similar declarations, it seems that all that is required is for someone to have a particular grudge.

It's not really relevant as far as I am concerned. I have voted for a candidate who is not a Mason rather than one who is, more than once.

[grandsecretary]

Thats the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Your one sick puppy who is very deluded. When Israel is masonic all the way

Thank God I am extremely healthy, both physically and mentally, and I simply reject your politically naive and, I am sorry to say, uneducated view of our world.

[boots]

Ohh look the supreme courthouse has a grove dedicated to one of the most powerful families in the world. that has it's banking empire firmly in the city of London.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5602/rothschild1ea6.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rothschild1ea6.jpg)

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[lightgiver]

if only it was true what you are saying?it is a very weak benefit of the doubt BTW,i nearly got swayed then.cheers boots for the pic it jolted me,do these masons have no job to go to,seeing you work all them long hours GS and MM,you are always on here hell of a lot.?and marpat seeing he is in the overstretched forces he is always on here, he as thousands of posts,wonder how he manages to keep it up???

Oh yeah stalking forums job.


General Information
The Grand Lodge of the State of Israel was consecrated on October 20, 1953 at the Y.M.C.A. Hall in Jerusalem.
The first Masonic Lodge in the Holy Land was the Royal Solomon Mother Lodge No. 293, under the Grand Lodge of Canada in Ontario, whose first meeting was held in the King Solomon's Quarries of Jerusalem on May 7, 1873.
Before that, an occasional assembly of Masons performed a Secret Monitor ceremony in the same location on May 13, 1868.
The Jubilee celebration took place on October 20, 2003 in Tel Aviv.

[boots]

Israel and the Masons are doing all they can to help build a better world. Hey blandsecertary. Sure they are.


After passing through security the first thing you will notice on the left wall is a large picture.
http://thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/+Doc-Jews-National&InternationalConspiracy&NWO/MasonicSymbolismInIsraeliSupremeCourtBuilding_file s/pictureonthewall.jpe
From the left you will see Teddy Kollek, then Lord Rothschild, on the right standing you will see Shimon Peres, and setting at the bottom left Yhzhak Rabin. And others who brought us the Olso death process that we are now faced with.
But this is where our journey begins as we begin to enter into the building, for this entire journey is intended to bring one from darkness into the light, and become an Illuminated one.
You first enter into an area with very dim lighting, but as you look up the stairs you see the bright light that comes from a very large window that over looks parts of Jerusalem.
http://thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/+Doc-Jews-National&InternationalConspiracy&NWO/MasonicSymbolismInIsraeliSupremeCourtBuilding_file s/darknesstolight.jpe
Here it is very important to count the steps; there are three sets of 10 steps, making a total of 30. As you ascend these 30 steps you come from the darkness into the light. And from here you can see the world or in this case the city of Jerusalem like you haven’t seen it before. It is also worth mentioning that on the left side you will see the old Jerusalem Stone, some even believe these same stones were used in the second Temple, but I have no way to prove that. On the other side you will see the smooth modern wall. There are 6 lamp stands going up that speaks to man in his journey to gain knowledge and become illuminated. But once again I feel it necessary to tell you that it’s very important to the ones who built this building that everything be perfect and in their order of things, even numerically.





You dont have a exclusive knowledge of world politics like you might think. So dont come the raw prawn with me.



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[grandsecretary]

You dont have a exclusive knowledge of world politics like you might think. So dont come the raw prawn with me..

Please do not assume what my political views are on the State of Israel and its policies.

I do not claim an "exclusive" knowledge, I simply offer you what knowledge I have, after a busy life of 60 years, which includes being a political adviser to two British Prime Ministers, and two party leaders in opposition.

[boots]

if only it was true what you are saying?it is a very weak benefit of the doubt BTW,i nearly got swayed then.cheers boots for the pic it jolted me,do these masons have no job to go to,seeing you work all them long hours GS and MM,you are always on here hell of a lot.?and marpat seeing he is in the overstretched forces he is always on here, he as thousands of posts,wonder how he manages to keep it up???

Oh yeah stalking forums job.


General Information
The Grand Lodge of the State of Israel was consecrated on October 20, 1953 at the Y.M.C.A. Hall in Jerusalem.
The first Masonic Lodge in the Holy Land was the Royal Solomon Mother Lodge No. 293, under the Grand Lodge of Canada in Ontario, whose first meeting was held in the King Solomon's Quarries of Jerusalem on May 7, 1873.
Before that, an occasional assembly of Masons performed a Secret Monitor ceremony in the same location on May 13, 1868.
The Jubilee celebration took place on October 20, 2003 in Tel Aviv.

It sure as hell seems that way doesn't it LG. My with all the tasks I have to do just around the house I dedicate to much time here. Now have a look at these fine fellows:rolleyes:

Some thing is not right. on the Icke forum. smell's like mason shit.


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[boots]

Please do not assume what my political views are on the State of Israel and its policies.

I do not claim an "exclusive" knowledge, I simply offer you what knowledge I have, after a busy life of 60 years, which includes being a political adviser to two British Prime Ministers, and two party leaders in opposition.


Well if you want to make statement's like this.

How do you know that we are not using our influence, as men, and as Masons?

You should not make such assumptions, and when a Mason becomes President once again (very soon), I am sure that you will see a fairer, and a more robust approach in defence of human rights in The Middle East.

I certainly hope so.

Which comes straight out of MSM bullshit deceptions Then expect to be challenged on your POV.

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[lightgiver]

Please do not assume what my political views are on the State of Israel and its policies.

I do not claim an "exclusive" knowledge, I simply offer you what knowledge I have, after a busy life of 60 years, which includes being a political adviser to two British Prime Ministers, and two party leaders in opposition.

East to say,proof is in the pudding GS:)

and its way past your bedtime:) you will be tired tomorrow.

[grandsecretary]

Well if you want to make statement's like this.

What do you mean by this?

[localidiot]

Ohh look the supreme courthouse has a grove dedicated to one of the most powerful families in the world. that has it's banking empire firmly in the city of London.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5602/rothschild1ea6.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rothschild1ea6.jpg)

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Where'd you find the picture? Though i could find some references to the atrium, I couldn't anything verifiable, and the text is too smooth to be on a rough brick like that.

[grandsecretary]

East to say,proof is in the pudding GS:)

and its way past your bedtime:) you will be tired tomorrow.

I agree, so far as Obama is concerned. I have high hopes.

[boots]

http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/%2BDoc-Jews-National%26InternationalConspiracy%26NWO/MasonicSymbolismInIsraeliSupremeCourtBuilding_file s/supremecourt.jpe&imgrefurl=http://thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/%2BDoc-Jews-National%26InternationalConspiracy%26NWO/MasonicSymbolismInIsraeliSupremeCourtBuilding.htm&usg=__HXSGB6iy6f9D5XyNeY00M4L9Qik=&h=209&w=349&sz=24&hl=en&start=35&tbnid=uahYoUNPwa5i6M:&tbnh=72&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmasonic%2Bsymbols%2Bin%2BIsrael%2Bcou rt%2Bhouse%26start%3D20%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl %3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

Have a good read.

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[boots]

I agree, so far as Obama is concerned. I have high hopes.



Yes well have a read of this the GS.

Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../oi/extras/08/obama/obama1.jpg
By David Icke
Click here to read ... (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../obama)
PLEASE CIRCULATE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE. THE LINK TO SEND PEOPLE IS:
WWW.DAVIDICKE.COM/OBAMA (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../OBAMA)

[grandsecretary]

Yes well have a read of this the GS.

Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../oi/extras/08/obama/obama1.jpg
By David Icke
Click here to read ... (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../obama)
PLEASE CIRCULATE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE. THE LINK TO SEND PEOPLE IS:
WWW.DAVIDICKE.COM/OBAMA (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../OBAMA)

I believe in giving someone a chance to prove themselves. This will be very low down on my reading list.

[lightgiver]

We have the same influence as everyone else, all we can do is vote just like everyone else. The problem is that a lot of people who don't like our government talk the talk but don't walk the walk and then don't even bother to vote, so we're stuck with them.

Mike

and you wonder why people cannot be bothered to vote.

the last time i saw england it was not a pretty place,unless you can afford to live in the elite parts.
but basically the whole of British towns and cities, roads, public transport, it is pretty dismal,underpaid jobs,crap jobs,skill less workers,need i go on mike the flippin list is endless and all politicians do is line their pockets and pat each other on the back after a short day at the office. I could run the country better,its a disgrace.

i am not fooled easily have a walk around some parts of inner Manchester and other cities that amount of buildings and roads are impossible to maintain,and then there are the energy issues,not looking rosy is it mike?
if i was a politician i would get his or her head out of their ass and start doing something about it,
and if masons have no influence on anything why are masons crawling through the establishment:confused:

words are easily said mike,but we usually see and taste from the fruit,and at the moment their is a lot of rotting fruit around.:(

[kweli]

ALTHOUGH I notice this diversion has meant that you haven't answered the important point I made about the proposed list.
Mike

Diversion? My posts were on topic. And why should I answer your 'important point' I didn't propose a list; I have never stated that I'm in favour of a public list of all masons; although I do think those in positions of power should delcare their affilation with masonry. I just think it's laughable how you guys start getting your knickers in a twist at the very mention of a public register - yet Freemasons can compile a list of anti masons and that's ok?


I know that this website is "passed off" as a "Masonic" site, but it is not. It is one Freemason's propoganda. It is not a very pleasant place to visit, so I don't, I leave it to our legal team.

Wrong! That's not what it says is it? So, this Ed King is lying then? and these other chaps aren't really masons? they don't exist? Should everything on this site be disregarded then?

Repeat:

Thanks

'A bit of recognition is in order because without some truly great examples on the road before me, this site could have never blossomed as it has. Brothers Mike Ermel, Gene Goldman, Mike Wells and (while last, certainly not least), Michael Poll have proven time and time again to be excellent models of calmness in face of fury, objectivity in spite of denigration and lies, and fearlessness when confronted by threats, both implied and actual. They've been great teachers and were, cumulatively, the genesis of this web site. Thank you, Brethren!'

Full article: http://www.masonicinfo.com/thanks.htm

[gtycoon]

Try and read all the way to the end of the line. Freemasonry is not illegal in this country and neither are its activities.

What are "Bloods" and "Crips"? Silly names! What are they more "Masonic" rappers??:)


The rules apply the same to us as to everyone else, regardless of what you think.


For what exactly? Being freemasons! get a life.


Of course you have, there there.

BTW Freemason are tax paying citizens, same as every one else. But you don't know that do you, oh well.


Oh god, you're just so funny. Maybe you should break less laws! That's how it works by the way.


Oh yes well what ever.

I'm in England and to be frank I could barely care less what americans do or want except when it costs the lives of our service personnel, fighting wars because your president says so.

Mike

Sure it's easy to pay taxes when you get city contracts for your business because you are a mason. It's easy to pay taxes when the bar you own does not get fined by the liquor control board but non masons do. It's easy to pay taxes when you get DUI and get off because you are a mason.

[grandsecretary]

Wrong! That's not what it says is it? So, this Ed King is lying then?

He makes it quite clear on his website that that the comments and opinions expressed on his website are his, and his alone.

This site and its contents are © (copyright) 1998-2008 by Edward L. King (Ed King). All rights reserved. All comments and opinions are mine personally

He has an agenda, and deliberately distorts the truth to what he sees as his own advantage.

In my view, Mr King is a thoroughly odious individual.

[gtycoon]

Would you make them wear arm-bands with the symbol on it, too?

http://www.jewishmemory.info/images/2000-2999/2314/3.jpg.jpg

http://www.jewishmemory.info/images/2000-2999/2229/1.jpg.jpg

That's how it starts.

They do like the star of david and pyramids, why not. Actually my beef is no so much with masons as it is with the Illuminati top rulers. The masons and eastern stars have been awarded the high paying management jobs in banks, city offices, police, judges, gov contracts, etc etc. I have to start somewhere. Obv the Knights of Malta and upper Illuminati have the 30 million / year jobs and CEO positions. I want to start with the Masons and Eastern Stars because they are well known by society or at least the masons are.

[grandsecretary]

They do like the star of david and pyramids, why not. Actually my beef is no so much with masons as it is with the Illuminati top rulers. The masons and eastern stars have been awarded the high paying management jobs in banks, city offices, police, judges, gov contracts, etc etc. I have to start somewhere. Obv the Knights of Malta and upper Illuminati have the 30 million / year jobs and CEO positions. I want to start with the Masons and Eastern Stars because they are well known by society or at least the masons are.

This link provides us with an insight into the truth about the Illuminati. It is a verbatim report of a interview with Professor Massimo Introvigne the founder
of the Center for Studies on New Religions. He is also the author of the Encyclopedia delle religioni.

http://www.zenit.org/article-13133?l=english

He answers a number of questions that have been posed here in respect of the Illuminati, pyramids etc.

He is a highly qualified, massively well informed and an erudite speaker. What he says should carry a great deal of weight with all of us.

It behoves us all to listen to what peope like Massimo Introvigne has to say. Please read the interview carefully.

[kweli]

Sorry, I'm bad at articulating my thoughts sometimes... I mean an political party in the sense that we would not vote for masons/eastern stars/Illuminati and only vote for their opposition. So if there is a Freemason/Knight of Malta/etc etc running for sheriff, mayor, etc etc we vote them out.

The political party would not really have people running on the platform.

I would hire people to expose masonic businesses and boycott them....

No need to hire people. There's plenty of information to be found on masonic businesses from the Freemasons own publications online. There's quite a few businesses that I've boycotted in my local area after reading how they support masonry; some even offer discounts if you're a Freemason.

Here's an example: http://www.wrprovince.co.uk/

They make interesting reading these publications, you can even see who some of the movers & shakers of freemasonry are in your local area. There's a picture of 'Bro Rik Wakeman' in the one above - I didn't know he was a Mason.

[boots]

No need to hire people. There's plenty of information to be found on masonic businesses from the Freemasons own publications online. There's quite a few businesses that I've boycotted in my local area after reading how they support masonry; some even offer discounts if you're a Freemason.

Here's an example: http://www.wrprovince.co.uk/

They make interesting reading these publications, you can even see who some of the movers & shakers of freemasonry are in your local area. There's a picture of 'Bro Rik Wakeman' in the one above - I didn't know he was a Mason.

I didn't know that. So they do infiltrate old walks of life. Then it becomes easier for this organisation to have a vast influence on how things are run. No wonder the world is shit.

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[comawhite015]

They do like the star of david and pyramids, why not. Actually my beef is no so much with masons as it is with the Illuminati top rulers. The masons and eastern stars have been awarded the high paying management jobs in banks, city offices, police, judges, gov contracts, etc etc. I have to start somewhere. Obv the Knights of Malta and upper Illuminati have the 30 million / year jobs and CEO positions. I want to start with the Masons and Eastern Stars because they are well known by society or at least the masons are.

Well, shit, you just completely just missed the point of my post.

[localidiot]

Well, shit, you just completely just missed the point of my post.

This the the third thread that's gotten me wondering about where some of this is going to end up. "Here we go again." seems to be popping up alot.

[grandsecretary]

No need to hire people. There's plenty of information to be found on masonic businesses from the Freemasons own publications online. There's quite a few businesses that I've boycotted in my local area after reading how they support masonry; some even offer discounts if you're a Freemason.

Here's an example: http://www.wrprovince.co.uk/

They make interesting reading these publications, you can even see who some of the movers & shakers of freemasonry are in your local area. There's a picture of 'Bro Rik Wakeman' in the one above - I didn't know he was a Mason.


And no doubt you will want to have a register of Freemasons as well? Now we know.

[comawhite015]

This the the third thread that's gotten me wondering about where some of this is going to end up. "Here we go again." seems to be popping up alot.

Inevitably, threads on this forum seem to degenerate into one of a few things:

A: Hate against Jews.
B: Hate against gay people
C: Accusations of 'Satanism'
D: Accusations of 'Freemasonry'.


ALL of which are based in complete fucking ignorance.

This place is fast becoming a hateful and arrogance-filled intellectual cesspit.

[localidiot]

As i've already mentioned to GS, what bothers me about this is the amount of posts I see about the supposd Nazifacation of the USA...
When the Nazis spouted about the same crap.
Don't get me wrong, I know how this stuff tends to cycle but...

Calling for registration, ID tags, limiting the positions of a minority, following a charismatic leader...

[grandsecretary]

Inevitably, threads on this forum seem to degenerate into one of a few things:

A: Hate against Jews.
B: Hate against gay people
C: Accusations of 'Satanism'
D: Accusations of 'Freemasonry'.


ALL of which are based in complete fucking ignorance.

This place is fast becoming a hateful and arrogance-filled intellectual cesspit.

It is sheer laziness, and certainly cannot be described as intellectual anything. :mad:

[kweli]

And no doubt you will want to have a register of Freemasons as well? Now we know.

I've already made my position clear on this issue; If I could refer to post 63: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=732865&postcount=60

[comawhite015]

It is sheer laziness, and certainly cannot be described as intellectual anything. :mad:

True.

Depending on who you talk to, or, even more hilariously, depending on what time of day you speak to the SAME person, one group, a mix of them, or ALL of them control the fucking planet. Jews, Masons, and Satanists ALL eat babies, and gay people are against the family unit.. and apparently we're all backing the Israelis now, just cuz of what a few silly reporters who happen to be gay are writing. I'm sure if you look around for 20 seconds you'll find straight people who are backing the war.. but of course, that's not mentioned here.. Also, never mind the fact that the distinciton between the highly elusive 'Medieval' and more mainstream 'LaVeyan' Satanism is NEVER made, and that Masonry is pretty fucking different to what is 'proven' in this place.. but I digress.


Then you get the Jewish Masons who own banks who eat babies whilst having anal sex in a ring made of goats blood and shit. They're the REALLY nasty ones.

:rolleyes:

It's all just so fucking ridiculous. All these paranoid threads are based on fear. Which is EXACTLY what the people posting them claim they are opposed to. Love-based people my ass. How can you be ruled by love when you spread so much hate and fear?

Now there are people in this thread DEMANDING LISTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE MASONS!!!1!!!111 because Masons have LISTS OF ANTI MASONS.

What a crock of shit. Just fucking make one up. It happens on this forum all the time. Or you could just go to a website and copy/paste (cuz if it's on the internet it MUST be true).. that happens all the time here, too. Look at the Crowley threads.

People on here just LOVE arguing for the sake of arguing, and in in doing so, end up becoming the exact same people they say they are against. Some of their heads are so far up their own asses all they can think is shit.

Then they have the fucking GALL to sit back and call other people 'unenlightened' or 'Satanist' or "Mason' or "Jew' or "ass-bandit" or whatever when they don't agree with their generally ignorant, fearful, paranoid, unfounded, and sometimes just plain fucking stupid accusations/points/'proofs'.

Way to focus your hate in a constructive manner.

Suck a lemon, bitches.

Yes I am aware of the irony.

[thelonious]

I think you're exactly 100% right. The irony is that they fail to see the irony.

[grandsecretary]

I've already made my position clear on this issue; If I could refer to post 63: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=732865&postcount=60

Originally Posted by gtycoon

Sorry, I'm bad at articulating my thoughts sometimes... I mean an political party in the sense that we would not vote for masons/eastern stars/Illuminati and only vote for their opposition. So if there is a Freemason/Knight of Malta/etc etc running for sheriff, mayor, etc etc we vote them out.

The political party would not really have people running on the platform.

I would hire people to expose masonic businesses and boycott them....

I see that your position on registers is clear, and gtycoon shows why it would be so dangerous for the entire notion of democratic government.

[gtycoon]

Well, shit, you just completely just missed the point of my post.

I understand my friend.... Just a little fired up lately....

[gtycoon]

Originally Posted by gtycoon

Sorry, I'm bad at articulating my thoughts sometimes... I mean an political party in the sense that we would not vote for masons/eastern stars/Illuminati and only vote for their opposition. So if there is a Freemason/Knight of Malta/etc etc running for sheriff, mayor, etc etc we vote them out.

The political party would not really have people running on the platform.

I would hire people to expose masonic businesses and boycott them....

There go my communication skills again. Sorry! I would hire people to hand out fliers and educate people on masons. I would flier to boycott masonic business'
until the USA is restored to what they are claiming it is (free). I have no idea what goes on in Uk or elsewhere other than what I read on web.
In the USA I have seen favoritism toward masons by the city and state.
I know that the bank loan officers are masons and Eastern stars. In fact one such bank manager had a cup with eastern star logo.
I'm not saying to round up Masons and kill them.... I'm saying to boycott their business' until drastic changes are made to restore a fair democracy in this country (usa). I realize that it is the Illuminati waging this war on the middle class, but the Masons are their foot soldiers.

Reason I'm posting is to get input since I'm so scatterbrained. I'd like to organize a way to slow down the Illuminati. Any input on how I can protest besides sitting on corner with a sign is helpful. Right now I'm just fighting these cases vs Boroughs, cities, and states in lower courts. I'm also fighting bank overdraft fees too. I have 3 court cases pending and I 'm suing comcast cable next week.

[localidiot]

I understand my friend.... Just a little fired up lately....

Just to make sure it gets hammred in, those armbands are evidence of a very good reason why many people, regardless of their personal beliefs would be vry against any kind of registration.

[localidiot]

No. you're just saying you want to oppress a minority because you are blaming them for societies ills.

[grandsecretary]

There go my communication skills again. Sorry! I would hire people to hand out fliers and educate people on masons. I would flier to boycott masonic business'
until the USA is restored to what they are claiming it is (free). I have no idea what goes on in Uk or elsewhere other than what I read on web.
In the USA I have seen favoritism toward masons by the city and state.
I know that the bank loan officers are masons and Eastern stars. In fact one such bank manager had a cup with eastern star logo.
I'm not saying to round up Masons and kill them.... I'm saying to boycott their business' until drastic changes are made to restore a fair democracy in this country (usa). I realize that it is the Illuminati waging this war on the middle class, but the Masons are their foot soldiers.

Reason I'm posting is to get input since I'm so scatterbrained. I'd like to organize a way to slow down the Illuminati. Any input on how I can protest besides sitting on corner with a sign is helpful. Right now I'm just fighting these cases vs Boroughs, cities, and states in lower courts. I'm also fighting bank overdraft fees too. I have 3 court cases pending and I 'm suing comcast cable next week.

That is the proper way to do it. Fight your cases. Use the best lawyer that you can afford. You can ask for an sworn affidavit that he or she is not a Freemason so that you will know that he or she has no axe to grind.

If and when you win your cases, let us know.

[gtycoon]

That is the proper way to do it. Fight your cases. Use the best lawyer that you can afford. You can ask for an sworn affidavit that he or she is not a Freemason so that you will know that he or she has no axe to grind.

If and when you win your cases, let us know.

I've been appearing in court myself...

[element]

Inevitably, threads on this forum seem to degenerate into one of a few things:

A: Hate against Jews.
B: Hate against gay people
C: Accusations of 'Satanism'
D: Accusations of 'Freemasonry'.


ALL of which are based in complete fucking ignorance.

This place is fast becoming a hateful and arrogance-filled intellectual cesspit.

Spot on..!

What bothers me more is that people think they are gaining anything by accusing those groups. Have they really become so much more 'enlightened' or found real truth? They have only become more confused and filled themself with anger and irritation. But you know what's more fun? Make fun of them, that's my advice;)

[grandsecretary]

I've been appearing in court myself...

Let us know how you get on.

[comawhite015]

Spot on..!

What bothers me more is that people think they are gaining anything by accusing those groups. Have they really become so much more 'enlightened' or found real truth? They have only become more confused and filled themself with anger and irritation. But you know what's more fun? Make fun of them, that's my advice;)

What do you think I keep coming back for? ;)

*opens bottle of wine*

yeeehaw!

[mike martin]

if only it was true what you are saying?it is a very weak benefit of the doubt
In a perfect world it would be totally true, unfortunately the world aint perfect but we do our best.

,do these masons have no job to go to,seeing you work all them long hours GS and MM,you are always on here hell of a lot. yeah stalking forums job.
Well I'm home from work now! First thing PC on, check my own emails then my forum then over here to see what's been occurring.

Anyway, I think you're not doing too bad yourself for frequent surfer miles:D

General Information
Much easier to just give the url, then anyone can look:
http://www.freemasonry.org.il/

Mike

[mike martin]

and if masons have no influence on anything why are masons crawling through the establishment:confused:
That's because some Masons work there, no more no less. I used to be a Civil Servant (of a not insignificant rank) til I got made redundant.

The thing is if you want to see conspiracy, you will see conspiracy. It doesn't matter if it's there or not and it doesn't matter where you look.

Mike

[mike martin]

Diversion? My posts were on topic. And why should I answer your 'important point' I didn't propose a list; I have never stated that I'm in favour of a public list of all masons; although I do think those in positions of power should delcare their affilation with masonry. I just think it's laughable how you guys start getting your knickers in a twist at the very mention of a public register - yet Freemasons can compile a list of anti masons and that's ok?
The point was (and it's a really simple one) the list of anti-masons you keep going on about was compiled from his personal experience (heck i swapped emails with Maurice Kellett myself for nearly a year in the late 90s) and publicly available information. There has been no invasion of their privacy to chuck it together, unlike the proposed list of Freemasons.

Wrong! That's not what it says is it? So, this Ed King is lying then? and these other chaps aren't really masons? they don't exist? Should everything on this site be disregarded then?
I think if you actually have a look around Ed's site you will see why he and Peter do not see eye to eye.

Mike

[mike martin]

Sure it's easy to pay taxes when you get city contracts for your business because you are a mason. It's easy to pay taxes when the bar you own does not get fined by the liquor control board but non masons do. It's easy to pay taxes when you get DUI and get off because you are a mason.
What are you on about? You do talk some crap. How many Masons do you think there are?

No one likes to pay taxes especially when they are wasted keeping our toops in a war that the US wants.

Mike

[mike martin]

I've been appearing in court myself...
Any details?

Mike

[grandsecretary]

That's because some Masons work there, no more no less. I used to be a Civil Servant (of a not insignificant rank) til I got made redundant.

The thing is if you want to see conspiracy, you will see conspiracy. It doesn't matter if it's there or not and it doesn't matter where you look.

Mike

Men with influence get on; men who get on are Masons; men with influence are Masons, Men with no influence are Masons; men who do not get on are Masons. That is how it is.

[mike martin]

Men with influence get on; men who get on are Masons; men with influence are Masons, Men with no influence are Masons; men who do not get on are Masons. That is how it is.
Oh I know that.

The funny thing is if I was that unaware of reality I could claim that I was made redundant because I am a Mason, whereas loads of non-Mason kept their jobs.

Mike

[gtycoon]

Men with influence get on; men who get on are Masons; men with influence are Masons, Men with no influence are Masons; men who do not get on are Masons. That is how it is.

In the United States state and city police, Masons are given positions because they are masons over other candidates. Verified to me by a FReemason - 80% state police are masons and 50% city police are masons. Verified to me by police officer Masons promote masons.
Case in point:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07179/797784-53.stm

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/freemason/0501/mon.html

Here our little friend showing his "Character"
http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A45528

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07180/798064-53.stm

[grandsecretary]

In the United States state and city police, Masons are given positions because they are masons over other candidates. Verified to me by a FReemason - 80% state police are masons and 50% city police are masons. Verified to me by police officer Masons promote masons.
Case in point:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07179/797784-53.stm

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/freemason/0501/mon.html

Here our little friend showing his "Character"
http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A45528

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07180/798064-53.stm


NONE, not one of these articles mentions Freemasonry or Freemasons. If you have a complaint take it up with your police complaints authority.

[mike martin]

In the United States state and city police, Masons are given positions because they are masons over other candidates. Verified to me by a FReemason - 80% state police are masons and 50% city police are masons. Verified to me by police officer Masons promote masons.
Have you ever heard of the word gossip?

How did your Freemason verify the figure of 80% and 50%? Let's be honest (if he even exists) he just said it didn't he, there was no verification at all.
How exactly did you verify the figures of 80% and 50%?

Case in point:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07179/797784-53.stm
What the hell has that got to do with Freemasonry??

Oh I see! You've decided that because the Fraternal Order of Police has fraternal in its name it is something to do with Freemasonry is that right? The FOP is a glorified Union.

The story asserts no involvement by the Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania. I also note that it doesn't say that Hlavac wont get exactly the same treatment as the other two.

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/freemason/0501/mon.html
OK Hlavac is a Freemason, so what.

Here our little friend showing his "Character"
http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A45528
I'm with you on this. Nothing to do with him being a Mason but my opinion is how can a man be a leader of men if he himself can't keep to the rules he will be enforcing. However he was only promoted to sergeant it's not like he was a Commissioner or something.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07180/798064-53.stm

So to summarise your claim is that 3 men with histories of domestic violence seem to have been wrongly promoted but the only one that matters is the one that was only promoted to sergeant and then only because he is a Mason and he pulled his wife's hair. Whereas the one that broke his wife's nose and got promoted to Commander doesn't matter cos he isn't a Mason. Is that right?

this is fascinating

Mike

[mike martin]

Just to add, I find this part of the report to be most telling:
Retired police Lt. Philip Dacey, who was then-Officer Hlavac's supervisor, said that police were summoned to that officer's East Liberty apartment in January and found that he and his then-girlfriend had marks on them. "He said she threw a phone and hit him," Mr. Dacey said. "It was a he said, she said."

Two months later, Mr. Dacey said, he went with Sgt. Hlavac to the apartment after receiving a complaint and then witnessed a loud argument, but no physical contact. Mr. Dacey said he promised the complainant that he would check on the situation, and said Sgt. Hlavac "agreed to take me up there. He said he didn't touch her."

Sgt. Hlavac was transferred to the Hill District station, and superiors were briefed on what Mr. Dacey called his "anger issue."

Lauren Maughan, 20, who is Mr. Hlavac's former girlfriend and the mother of their 15-month-old son, said, "At no time was I a victim of domestic violence. I did not call 911 when the police were called for assistance."

"I find it outrageous that everyone is accusing Gene of domestic violence offenses except me, the alleged victim," Ms. Maughan said.

Mr. Hlavac's attorney, Phillip DiLucente, said, "I think that after 15 years of public service and dedication to finally reach the ranks of sergeant through promotion, I think that unfounded, inconsistent and improper conjecture should not even have the possibility of reversal of promotion."

It almost looks as if he is being targetted only on the basis of his Masonic membership. He's the only one of the three who hasn't actually been charged with regard to domestic violence and the person who he is supposed to have done it to is outraged about the claim, hmmmm.

Mike

[gtycoon]

Have you ever heard of the word gossip?

How did your Freemason verify the figure of 80% and 50%? Let's be honest (if he even exists) he just said it didn't he, there was no verification at all.
How exactly did you verify the figures of 80% and 50%?


What the hell has that got to do with Freemasonry??

Oh I see! You've decided that because the Fraternal Order of Police has fraternal in its name it is something to do with Freemasonry is that right? The FOP is a glorified Union.

The story asserts no involvement by the Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania. I also note that it doesn't say that Hlavac wont get exactly the same treatment as the other two.


OK Hlavac is a Freemason, so what.


I'm with you on this. Nothing to do with him being a Mason but my opinion is how can a man be a leader of men if he himself can't keep to the rules he will be enforcing. However he was only promoted to sergeant it's not like he was a Commissioner or something.



So to summarise your claim is that 3 men with histories of domestic violence seem to have been wrongly promoted but the only one that matters is the one that was only promoted to sergeant and then only because he is a Mason and he pulled his wife's hair. Whereas the one that broke his wife's nose and got promoted to Commander doesn't matter cos he isn't a Mason. Is that right?

this is fascinating

Mike

http://www.pagrandlodge.org/freemason/0501/mon.html

This is the officer in question, not all three. Not one but 3 different masons told me 50% of city police are masons. 1 mason told me 80% of state police are masons.

Are you going to tell me mason don't promote masons over others?

Are you going to tell me criminals don't get acquitted because they are masons?

I 'm talking about USA, I have no idea what goes on in UK my friends.

I know that 100% of the bank managers in my area are Freemasons or Eastern Stars. That is discrimination that they are only being hired for those positions.

[gtycoon]

That's because some Masons work there, no more no less. I used to be a Civil Servant (of a not insignificant rank) til I got made redundant.

The thing is if you want to see conspiracy, you will see conspiracy. It doesn't matter if it's there or not and it doesn't matter where you look.

Mike

Hmmmm Mike, I just happen to see conspiracy when I'm forced to.
If I watch a movie- John Travolta - Scientology
Tom Cruise Scientology
Will Smith Scientology

If I call the cops - 50 % or them masons.

If I go to court - I see masons wearing their masonic pins to get out of DUIs while I have to win my own battles.

If I go to school - I have to hear propaganda about our leaders.

If I listen to radio - Led Zeppelin - Jimmie Page Stairway to Heaven written by Aleister Crowley OTO

I'm talking about a world dominated by Illuminati agenda.

Should I not watch TV? Should I not listen to the radio?

Like I said, It's not so much anout masons as it is about the Illuminati
in general. They are just using your order and will destroy you too.

[mike martin]

This is the officer in question, not all three.
Yep I acknowledged that in the post above!

You don't seem to have read any of the rest of what I wrote, so I'll break it down for you, so you can test your own statements and logic.

1) If the Mason is being promoted over non-Masons why was he only promoted to seargent?
2) Is the Mayor a Mason? Cos isn't that the person who promoted him?
3) What about the two non-Masons who got promoted but had real records of domestic violence?
4) Have you noticed that you are focusing only on the Mason?

Not one but 3 different masons told me 50% of city police are masons. 1 mason told me 80% of state police are masons.
3 gossips are worse than 1 but more importantly how did these people prove to you that they were Masons?


Are you going to tell me mason don't promote masons over others?
YES!
Masons just like everyone else promote on the basis of fitness and qualification to do the job. If they didn't they would be putting their own job in jeopardy which our Obligation tell us not to do.

Are you going to tell me criminals don't get acquitted because they are masons?
YES.
This is just conspiracy crap with no basis in actual fact.

I 'm talking about USA, I have no idea what goes on in UK my friends.
I am talking about the UK but based on the evidence you provided your claim is at best tenuous and at worst BS.

I know that 100% of the bank managers in my area are Freemasons or Eastern Stars. That is discrimination that they are only being hired for those positions.
That is such boolocks! How many of them have you actually asked? Or is there only one in your area? Cos that would be 100% wouldn't it?

Mike

[mike martin]

Hmmmm Mike, I just happen to see conspiracy when I'm forced to.
You actually mean when you want to.

If I watch a movie- John Travolta - Scientology
OK Grease?
Tom Cruise Scientology
Top Gun?
Will Smith Scientology
Shark Tale? BTW Smith isn't actually a Scientologist! He just thinks it (in common with other religions) has good ideas.

However, if you're a normal person the choices that celebrities make in their lives should have no impact on you. Who gives a shit what these people totally out of touch with reality do?

If I call the cops - 50 % or them masons.
In your head!

If I go to court - I see masons wearing their masonic pins to get out of DUIs while I have to win my own battles.
In your head!

If I go to school - I have to hear propaganda about our leaders.
That's quite normal it happens everywhere! Except in some countries you are put in Prison if you don't believe it. Think yourself your lucky your an American and have the right to free speech and freedom of expression, you could have been born in China or Iran. Think about it

If I listen to radio - Led Zeppelin - Jimmie Page Stairway to Heaven written by Aleister Crowley OTO
Have you been smokin'???

I'm talking about a world dominated by Illuminati agenda.
You're talking about an over-active imagination actually.

Should I not watch TV? Should I not listen to the radio?
Yes but clearly you need to diversify and try some books and going out.

Like I said, It's not so much anout masons as it is about the Illuminati in general. They are just using your order and will destroy you too.
The Illuminati are long dead, they are just ghosts used to frighten the easily led and impressionable into believing that they are not as well-off as they actually are.

Mike

[localidiot]

If I go to school - I have to hear propaganda about our leaders.


And then go home and watch Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, George Carlin, South Park, Lewis Black, ect.

And those are just the ones you get on Comedy Central.
Schools are both indoctrination and basic education. If you have a decent mind and the inclination, you can rise above it. Or, you just take what you need and live your life. Or not, though many people regret that later on.

As for 50% of cops being Masons... that's a very clean number. In odd numbered stations do they have one cop who is just a Mason like... half of the time?
As for a DUI case, having been on the jury on a DUI case, you'd have to have a jury full of Masons.

[ban freekmasons]

I can fully understand why the majority of Freemasons are against a public register. However, I find it ironic that they feel the need to compile and publish (all over the internet) a list of anti masons. What's that all about?

The list includes researchers such as: David Icke, Michael Tsarsion, Alan Watt and many others; there's even members of this very forum on it! Is it one rule for the masons and another for the profane?

ditto

[grandsecretary]

I can fully understand why the majority of Freemasons are against a public register. However, I find it ironic that they feel the need to compile and publish (all over the internet) a list of anti masons. What's that all about?

The list includes researchers such as: David Icke, Michael Tsarsion, Alan Watt and many others; there's even members of this very forum on it! Is it one rule for the masons and another for the profane?

No.

[ban freekmasons]

No.

can you elaborate ?

[localidiot]

can you elaborate ?

Generally speaking, the sites that show anti-masons and the sites showing purported Masons both have something in common, they display public or mostly public figures.
Either only using public images of the individual or their online nick names, not going any further, and not giving out anything the person themselves hasn't freely handed out.

[grandsecretary]

can you elaborate ?

If there is a list, I haven't seen it, and would not bother looking at one if there is. No point.