Mason warning

[lightgiver]

When interacting with the so called masons here??

Do not be tempted to divulge any personnel information peeps IE names areas ETC,they will try and bait you in,

Be Wary

They hide you must do the same,their names could be false and their avatars also,tread with caution i repeat tread with caution.

These forces are everywhere,they play very cunning games.

Unless YOU know them personally just be careful also with PMs.

It could be anyone for all you know.

[croatiancoffee]

I doubt I can give any information than is already out there, even without giving it. :D

So you think it might also be a good idea to stay away from all these mad looking types who seem to be stalking me? Maybe I just have narcissist personality disorder ;)

[mike martin]

When interacting with the so called masons here??

Do not be tempted to divulge any personnel information peeps IE names areas ETC,they will try and bait you in,

Be Wary
God you're so funny! The only users I've seen asking for personal information on this Forum are...... oh yeah that will be Ban Freekmasons!

They hide you must do the same,their names could be false and their avatars also,tread with caution i repeat tread with caution.
Well thank you for that fantastically insightful comment! Except the only person I can see on this Forum using their actual name is..... oh yeah that'll be me.

These forces are everywhere,they play very cunning games.

Unless YOU know them personally just be careful also with PMs.

It could be anyone for all you know.
So what you're saying is that anyone on this Forum not signed up with their own name could actually be TPTB? Well thank you, err, is that "Mr" Lightgiver.

Do you actually think about what you write?

Mike

[lightgiver]

God you're so funny! The only users I've seen asking for personal information on this Forum are...... oh yeah that will be Ban Freekmasons!


Well thank you for that fantastically insightful comment! Except the only person I can see on this Forum using their actual name is..... oh yeah that'll be me.


So what you're saying is that anyone on this Forum not signed up with their own name could actually be TPTB? Well thank you, err, is that "Mr" Lightgiver.

Do you actually think about what you write?

Mike

You could be jack the ripper for all i know;)

I always tell my daughter to be wary of strangers:)

Enlightened people seldom or never possess a sense of responsibility.

[grandsecretary]

God you're so funny! The only users I've seen asking for personal information on this Forum are...... oh yeah that will be Ban Freekmasons!


Well thank you for that fantastically insightful comment! Except the only person I can see on this Forum using their actual name is..... oh yeah that'll be me.


So what you're saying is that anyone on this Forum not signed up with their own name could actually be TPTB? Well thank you, err, is that "Mr" Lightgiver.

Do you actually think about what you write?

Mike

And me! grandsecretary - Peter Clatworthy - full details on my profile including my address, and telephone number. I stand behind what I post.

Thanks Mike.

[mike martin]

You could be jack the ripper for all i know;)
I would expect he/she died some years ago. As I've said here before I can easily be found using Google

I always tell my daughter to be wary of strangers:)
Can't and wouldn't dream of arguing with that! I tell my son the same.

However, I strongly suspect that you're not a young girl yourself, so the same advice is hardly appropriate.

Mike

[dawnismygoddess]

I never give out personal information to anyone, for any reason.

So, if they were Masons it would not make one bit of difference.

[lightgiver]

I would expect he/she died some years ago. As I've said here before I can easily be found using Google


Can't and wouldn't dream of arguing with that! I tell my son the same.

However, I strongly suspect that you're not a young girl yourself, so the same advice is hardly appropriate.

Mike

No way on earth are you having my name. ha ha.:D

The aim of a joke is not to degrade the human being, but to remind him that he is already degraded.

I will see you around. oh hello Dawn.Pleased to meet you.No neither do I.


THE LESSON: DON'T BE AFRAID, BE WARY.

Taking care on the he/she part mike?

Its a shakedown,

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

[grandsecretary]

No way on earth are you having my name. ha ha.:D

The aim of a joke is not to degrade the human being, but to remind him that he is already degraded.

I will see you around. oh hello Dawn.Pleased to meet you.No neither do I.


THE LESSON: DON'T BE AFRAID, BE WARY.

I'm not afraid. I stand behind what I say. Mike isn't afraid, he stands behind what he says.

[dawnismygoddess]

Hi Lightgiver.

Actually, I have run into some online Masons before and they were very mean, belittling, and borderline ignorant.

So far, the Masons I have run into here are very polite and well-mannered. I am looking forward to many good discussions and learning as much as I can.

[lightgiver]

Hi Lightgiver.

Actually, I have run into some online Masons before and they were very mean, belittling, and borderline ignorant.

So far, the Masons I have run into here are very polite and well-mannered. I am looking forward to many good discussions and learning as much as I can.

I hope you learn much:)here is a little info for you DAWN,

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

Yes they are well mannered sometimes.:)

The Queen 'warned butler to beware of dark forces at work'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article823072.ece

“There are powers at work in this country about which we have no knowledge.

[netta]

I have given out my first name and I have given out my location before.

[localidiot]

I'm not a Mason, been tossing the idea over becoming on for a few years now.
However, i am free with my personal information here and on similar forums simply because it seems that some people don't believe me on that point.
I am very willing to allow myself to be observed and my privacy violated to satisfy the curiosity of the member of the board.

Your favourite sit ethere is possibly one of most enjoyable site s I've seen put up by rabid believers.

[boots]

I'm not a Mason, been tossing the idea over becoming on for a few years now.
However, i am free with my personal information here and on similar forums simply because it seems that some people don't believe me on that point.
I am very willing to allow myself to be observed and my privacy violated to satisfy the curiosity of the member of the board.

Your favourite sit ethere is possibly one of most enjoyable site s I've seen put up by rabid believers.

Don't you read the forum guidelines it was actually posted by Moderator shodan in the Mason UK thread.

I know where you came from and That was ATS forum which is known to be masonically inclined. Don't Bullshit.

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[localidiot]

Don't you read the forum guidelines it was actually posted by Moderator shodan in the Mason UK thread.

ANd yet we have threads stating that masons are hiding, when it's against the rules to post private information.
As for me, when I recive a warning, i'll recind th offr. until that point, however, to prove myself I am as open as the proverbial book.


I know where you came from and That was ATS forum which is known to be masonically inclined. Don't Bullshit.

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Of course you know where I came from, I told you when recognized me as VillageIdiot in another thread.
As for the forum itself, it's moderated by biased to unbiased modrsators who keep the entire thing spinning pretty well.

[boots]

ANd yet we have threads stating that masons are hiding, when it's against the rules to post private information.
As for me, when I recive a warning, i'll recind th offr. until that point, however, to prove myself I am as open as the proverbial book.


Of course you know where I came from, I told you when recognized me as VillageIdiot in another thread.
As for the forum itself, it's moderated by biased to unbiased modrsators who keep the entire thing spinning pretty well.

Are you drunk or something ?

Your spelling is atrocious. It's not like what I have seen from your posts?

.

[localidiot]

Are you drunk or something ?

Your spelling is atrocious. It's not like what I have seen from your posts?

.

No. Heater's out and it's below thirty. Plus cat took off ocross my kyboard and some of my kys arn't working.
Anyway, sleepy time.

[kenny_bubb]

I hope you learn much:)here is a little info for you DAWN,

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

Yes they are well mannered sometimes.:)

The Queen 'warned butler to beware of dark forces at work'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article823072.ece

“There are powers at work in this country about which we have no knowledge.

Probably best to avoid relying on Paul Burrell for evidence of dark forces at work....
He's a self-confessed liar.

[the guy in pink]

I never give out personal information to anyone, for any reason.
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That must be difficult in this day and age. Do you have a drivers licence, passport, a bank account or are you employed? I suspect you need to give out some personal info for any of the above.

[lightgiver]

Probably best to avoid relying on Paul Burrell for evidence of dark forces at work....
He's a self-confessed liar.

Yeah they are plenty of BLIARS around,take your head out of your ASS:p i noticed you never mentioned the other link i posted.Typical.

so here it is again for you to feast your eyes upon.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

[eastbeast]

When interacting with the so called masons here??


So called???????



Do not be tempted to divulge any personnel information peeps IE names areas ETC,they will try and bait you in,

Be Wary

They hide you must do the same,their names could be false and their avatars also,tread with caution i repeat tread with caution.

Not I, my real name is eastbeast and I really do look like my avatar, obviously not in public because then I shapeshift to look Humanoid, but in private I look like my avatar. I repeat like my avatar avatar avatar.


These forces are everywhere,they play very cunning games.
Unless YOU know them personally just be careful also with PMs.
It could be anyone for all you know.


Gordon clown the PM is the real deal, no-one would wish to impersonate him.......

[lightgiver]

So called???????




Not I, my real name is eastbeast and I really do look like my avatar, obviously not in public because then I shapeshift to look Humanoid, but in private I look like my avatar. I repeat like my avatar avatar avatar.




Gordon clown the PM is the real deal, no-one would wish to impersonate him.......

Good for you:)

BTW the avatar comments were about the photographs of the so called people in question,but your brain probably did not pick up on that seeing rage takes over reasoning sometimes.

I feel sorry for G brown T.B.H. lousy job. Being a puppet that is.

[steevo]

When interacting with the so called masons here??

Do not be tempted to divulge any personnel information peeps IE names areas ETC,they will try and bait you in,

Be Wary

They hide you must do the same,their names could be false and their avatars also,tread with caution i repeat tread with caution.

These forces are everywhere,they play very cunning games.

Unless YOU know them personally just be careful also with PMs.

It could be anyone for all you know.

Thanks for the reminder LightGiver.

[blueyonder2012]

Very Interesting;)

http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm

http://www.bilderberg.org/





:rolleyes:

[grandsecretary]

Very Interesting;)

http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm

http://www.bilderberg.org/

:rolleyes:

This link provides us with an insight into the truth about the Illuminati. It is a verbatim report of a interview with Professor Massimo Introvigne the founder
of the Center for Studies on New Religions. He is also the author of the Encyclopedia delle religioni.

http://www.zenit.org/article-13133?l=english

He answers a number of questions that have been posed here in respect of the Illuminati.

He is a highly qualified, massively well informed and an erudite speaker. What he says should carry a great deal of weight with all of us.

It behoves us all to listen to what peope like Massimo Introvigne has to say. Please read the interview carefully.

[lightgiver]

http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm#dennis :eek:

[grandsecretary]

THE BILDERBERG CONFERENCE

Bilderberg Attendee List 2008
Chantilly, Virginia, USA
5-8 June 2008

LIST OF PARTICIPANTS

Honorary Chairman
BEL Davignon, Etienne Vice Chairman, Suez-Tractebel

DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG
CAN Adams, John Associate Deputy Minister of National Defence and Chief of the Communications Security Establishment Canada
USA Ajami, Fouad Director, Middle East Studies Program, The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, The Johns Hopkins University
USA Alexander, Keith B. Director, National Security Agency
INT Almunia, Joaqu�n Commissioner, European Commission
GRC Alogoskoufis, George Minister of Economy and Finance
USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
TUR Babacan, Ali Minister of Foreign Affairs
NLD Balkenende, Jan Peter Prime Minister
PRT Balsemo, Francisco Pinto Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister
FRA Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
ITA Bernabo, Franco CEO, Telecom Italia Spa
USA Bernanke, Ben S. Chairman, Board of Governors, Federal Reserve System
SWE Bildt, Carl Minister of Foreign Affairs
FIN Binfield, Antti Senior Editorial Writer, Helsingin Sanomat
DNK Bosse, Stine CEO, TrygVesta
CAN Brodie, Ian Chief of Staff, Prime Minister's Office
AUT Bronner, Oscar Publisher and Editor, Der Standard
FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, AXA
ESP Cebri�n, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA
CAN Clark, Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group
GBR Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament
NOR Clemet, Kristin Managing Director, Civita
USA Collins, Timothy C. Senior Managing Director and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
FRA Collomb, Bertrand Honorary Chairman, Lafarge
PRT Costa, Ant�nio Mayor of Lisbon
USA Crocker, Chester A. James R. Schlesinger Professor of Strategic Studies
USA Daschle, Thomas A. Former US Senator and Senate Majority Leader
CAN Desmarais, Jr., Paul Chairman and co-CEO, Power Corporation of Canada
GRC Diamantopoulou, Anna Member of Parliament
USA Donilon, Thomas E. Partner, O'Melveny & Myers
ITA Draghi, Mario Governor, Banca d'Italia
AUT Ederer, Brigitte CEO, Siemens AG �sterreich
CAN Edwards, N. Murray Vice Chairman, Candian Natural Resources Limited


DNK Eldrup, Anders President, DONG A/S
ITA Elkann, John Vice Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.
USA Farah, Martha J. Director, Center for Cognitive Neuroscience;
Walter H. Annenberg Professor in the Natural Sciences, University of Pennsylvania
USA Feldstein, Martin S. President and CEO, National Bureau of Economic Research
DEU Fischer, Joschka Former Minister of Foreign Affairs
USA Ford, Jr., Harold E. Vice Chairman, Merill Lynch & Co., Inc.
CHE Forstmoser, Peter Professor for Civil, Corporation and Capital Markets Law, University of Z�rich
IRL Gallagher, Paul Attorney General
USA Geithner, Timothy F. President and CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
USA Gigot, Paul Editorial Page Editor, The Wall Street Journal
IRL Gleeson, Dermot Chairman, AIB Group
NLD Goddijn, Harold CEO, TomTom
TUR G�?�?, Zeynep Journalist; Founder, EurActiv.com.tr
USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
USA Holbrooke, Richard C. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
FIN Honkapohja, Seppo Member of the Board, Bank of Finland
INT Hoop Scheffer, Jaap G. de Secretary General, NATO
USA Hubbard, Allan B. Chairman, E & A Industries, Inc.
BEL Huyghebaert, Jan Chairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group
DEU Ischinger, Wolfgang Former Ambassador to the UK and US
USA Jacobs, Kenneth Deputy Chairman, Head of Lazard U.S., Lazard Fr�res & Co. LLC
USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
SWE Johnstone, Tom President and CEO, AB SKF
USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Senior Managing Director, Lazard Fr�res & Co. LLC
FRA Jouyet, Jean-Pierre Minister of European Affairs
GBR Kerr, John Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc.
USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
DEU Klaeden, Eckart von Foreign Policy Spokesman, CDU/CSU
USA Kleinfeld, Klaus President and COO, Alcoa
TUR Ko�, Mustafa Chairman, Ko� Holding A.S.
FRA Kodmani, Bassma Director, Arab Reform Initiative
USA Kravis, Henry R. Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
USA Kravis, Marie-Jos�e Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc.
INT Kroes, Neelie Commissioner, European Commission
POL Kwasniewski, Aleksander Former President
AUT Leitner, Wolfgang CEO, Andritz AG
ESP Le�n Gross, Bernardino Secretary General, Office of the Prime Minister
INT Mandelson, Peter Commissioner, European Commission
FRA Margerie, Christophe de CEO, Total
CAN Martin, Roger Dean, Joseph L. Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto
HUN Martonyi, J�nos Professor of International Trade Law; Partner, Baker & McKenzie; Former Minister of Foreign Affairs
USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace


INT McCreevy, Charlie Commissioner, European Commission
USA McDonough, William J. Vice Chairman and Special Advisor to the Chairman, Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.
CAN McKenna, Frank Deputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group
GBR McKillop, Tom Chairman, The Royal Bank of Scotland Group
FRA Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations
ITA Monti, Mario President, Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi
USA Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
NOR Myklebust, Egil Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, Norsk Hydro ASA
DEU Nass, Matthias Deputy Editor, Die Zeit
NLD Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the
FRA Ockrent, Christine CEO, French television and radio world service
FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc
SWE Olofsson, Maud Minister of Enterprise and Energy; Deputy Prime Minister
NLD Orange, H.R.H. the Prince of
GBR Osborne, George Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
TUR �ztrak, Faik Member of Parliament
ITA Padoa-Schioppa, Tommaso Former Minister of Finance; President of Notre Europe
GRC Papahelas, Alexis Journalist, Kathimerini
GRC Papalexopoulos, Dimitris CEO, Titan Cement Co. S.A.
USA Paulson, Jr., Henry M. Secretary of the Treasury
USA Pearl, Frank H. Chairman and CEO, Perseus, LLC
USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
FRA P�rol, Fran�ois Deputy General Secretary in charge of Economic Affairs
DEU Perthes, Volker Director, Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik
BEL Philippe, H.R.H. Prince
CAN Prichard, J. Robert S. President and CEO, Torstar Corporation
CAN Reisman, Heather M. Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
USA Rice, Condoleezza Secretary of State
PRT Rio, Rui Mayor of Porto
USA Rockefeller, David Former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank
ESP Rodriguez Inciarte, Matias Executive Vice Chairman, Grupo Santander
USA Rose, Charlie Producer, Rose Communications
DNK Rose, Flemming Editor, Jyllands Posten
USA Ross, Dennis B. Counselor and Ziegler Distinguished Fellow, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
USA Rubin, Barnett R. Director of Studies and Senior Fellow, Center for International Cooperation, New York University
TUR ?ahenk, Ferit Chairman, Do?u? Holding A.?.
USA Sanford, Mark Governor of South Carolina
USA Schmidt, Eric Chairman of the Executive Committee and CEO, Google
AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
DNK Schur, Fritz H. Fritz Schur Gruppen
CZE Schwarzenberg, Karel Minister of Foreign Affairs
USA Sebelius, Kathleen Governor of Kansas
USA Shultz, George P. Thomas W. and Susan B. Ford Distinguished Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University


ESP Spain, H.M. the Queen of
CHE Spillmann, Markus Editor-in-Chief and Head Managing Board, Neue Z�rcher Zeitung AG
USA Summers, Lawrence H. Charles W. Eliot Professor, Harvard University
GBR Taylor, J. Martin Chairman, Syngenta International AG
USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC
NLD Timmermans, Frans Minister of European Affairs
RUS Trenin, Dmitri V. Deputy Director and Senior Associate, Carnegie Moscow Center
INT Trichet, Jean-Claude President, European Central Bank
USA Vakil, Sanam Assistant Professor of Middle East Studies, The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University
FRA Valls, Manuel Member of Parliament
GRC Varvitsiotis, Thomas Co-Founder and President, V + O Communication
CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman and CEO, Novartis AG
FIN V�yrynen, Raimo Director, The Finnish Institute of International Affairs
FRA V�drine, Hubert Hubert V�drine Conseil
NOR Vollebaek, Knut High Commissioner on National Minorities, OSCE
SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB
USA Weber, J. Vin CEO, Clark & Weinstock
USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC
USA Wolfowitz, Paul Visiting Scholar, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
INT Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group

Rapporteurs
GBR Bredow, Vendeline von Business Correspondent, The Economist
GBR Wooldridge, Adrian D. Foreign Correspondent, The Economist


AUT Austria HUN Hungary
BEL Belgium INT International
CHE Switzerland IRL Ireland
CAN Canada ITA Italy
CZE Czech Republic NOR Norway
DEU Germany NLD Netherlands
DNK Denmark PRT Portugal
ESP Spain POL Poland
FRA France RUS Russia
FIN Finland SWE Sweden
GBR Great Britain TUR Turkey
GRC Greece
USA United States of America

This list was made available to the international media by telephoning the number at the bottom of the Press Release issued prior to the conference.

This press release also outlined the agenda:

To discuss: Cyber Terrorism; the Middle East; a Nuclear-free World; Africa; and Russia

Two highly respected International Journalists from The Economist magazine were in full time attendance. Senators Obama and Hillary Clinton attended on the first day of the Conference.

It is a requirement for all members of the Houses of Parliament here in The United Kingdom to list their attendance at The Bilderberg Conference in the register of member's interests.

[lightgiver]

So what are they discussing,for one i would like to know:) and i am sure many others also.

It would be all probably be bull if they did show you a version of theatrics,they would just go and do it else where under another guise.

TBH one can imagine what they are all discussing.

[grandsecretary]

So what are they discussing,for one i would like to know:) and i am sure many others also.

It would be all probably be bull if they did show you a version of theatrics,they would just go and do it else where under another guise.

TBH one can imagine what they are all discussing.

Cyber Terrorism; the Middle East; a Nuclear-free World; Africa; and Russia ! It's a weekend conference. They share information on these important issues by being in the same place at the same time. How else can they do that effectively?

[boots]

Cyber Terrorism; the Middle East; a Nuclear-free World; Africa; and Russia ! It's a weekend conference. They share information on these important issues by being in the same place at the same time. How else can they do that effectively?


LOL

It's a smokescreen anyone with half a brain would know it. All these things you mentioned are already done within the governments of each country and the agencies that handle them or at the UN. Derr.

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[grandsecretary]

LOL

It's a smokescreen anyone with half a brain would know it. All these things you mentioned are already done within the governments of each country and the agencies that handle them or at the UN. Derr.

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I will try. That is the point. Governments of each country working separately, in isolation, do not achieve important things unless they share their thoughts and information, and work together for a better world.

Conferences are a VITAL part of this process, especially confidential conferences where they can talk openly without fear or favour.

Whether they succeed or not is a valid debate, but you prefer to reject their efforts from a position of sheer ignorance.

[lightgiver]

GS is it not your bed time yet man of your age you should be in bed for the long day ahead,16 hrs a day you said,most of it must be on here:D

[tinfoil tom]

and work together for a better world.



:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[grandsecretary]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Thank God they do. :)

[tinfoil tom]

Thank God they do. :)

I'm sure you do;)

[gtycoon]

This link provides us with an insight into the truth about the Illuminati. It is a verbatim report of a interview with Professor Massimo Introvigne the founder
of the Center for Studies on New Religions. He is also the author of the Encyclopedia delle religioni.

http://www.zenit.org/article-13133?l=english

He answers a number of questions that have been posed here in respect of the Illuminati.

He is a highly qualified, massively well informed and an erudite speaker. What he says should carry a great deal of weight with all of us.

It behoves us all to listen to what peope like Massimo Introvigne has to say. Please read the interview carefully.

In Zenit article
He and his associate Theodor Reuss -- later to become famous as a sexual magician and an associate of famous British occult master Aleister Crowley -- were spreading the word that the order was being revived since 1896.

I know people in this organization. Most likely they have members here. They are very intelligent, and they use women to recruit and as intel.

[boots]

I will try. That is the point. Governments of each country working separately, in isolation, do not achieve important things unless they share their thoughts and information, and work together for a better world.

Conferences are a VITAL part of this process, especially confidential conferences where they can talk openly without fear or favour.

Whether they succeed or not is a valid debate, but you prefer to reject their efforts from a position of sheer ignorance.

Are you kidding GS.

Now how long has this been going on ?

Are these people really working for the "people"... No they are NOT they are working for the corporations which are arms or should I say tentacles of the Illuminati.

You do comprehend the fact that you are part of a corporate entity called a government by giving consent with your birth certificate.

Freeman of the land Forum.


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[grandsecretary]

Are you kidding GS.

Now how long has this been going on ?

Are these people really working for the "people"... No they are NOT they are working for the corporations which are arms or should I say tentacles of the Illuminati.

You do comprehend the fact that you are part of a corporate entity called a government by giving consent with your birth certificate.

Freeman of the land Forum.


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Unfortunately you do not seem to offer us a sensible alternative to organised democratic government.

King boots? :eek:

[lightgiver]

Unfortunately you do not seem to offer us a sensible alternative to organised democratic government.

King boots? :eek:

A less corrupt one.,e me me me me me you mememememememe .mason mentality.

it will soon be dawn in york.:)

It reminds me of the awful caste system in India,another partitioned country by the British.

[boots]

Unfortunately you do not seem to offer us a sensible alternative to organised democratic government.

King boots? :eek:

Excellent, You may bow before me peon.


I have my own view's on this too deep and meaningful to go into here. suffice to say it fit's in with a lot of view's on here as well. It's called compassion something the government of today can only be forced into.

Looks like you have had a Loooong night and early morning working for ?

How will you every act now.

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[localidiot]

Seems everybody has a perfectly good idea of how to rule the world... wodner if that has anything to do with the mess we're in.

[grandsecretary]

Are you kidding GS.

Now how long has this been going on ?

Are these people really working for the "people"... No they are NOT they are working for the corporations which are arms or should I say tentacles of the Illuminati.

You do comprehend the fact that you are part of a corporate entity called a government by giving consent with your birth certificate.

Freeman of the land Forum.


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Paranoia and prejudices expressed by people who sit around on their fat backsides doing nothing does not constitute a conspiracy theory.

[localidiot]

Paranoia and prejudices expressed by people who sit around on their fat backsides doing nothing does not constitute a conspiracy theory.
See, phrasing it like this is what keep the kids from sharing their brownies with you.

[grandsecretary]

See, phrasing it like this is what keep the kids from sharing their brownies with you.

I simply do not believe that this type of blanket condemnation gets us anywhere. It is the easy cop out, and it is has been done over, and over, and over again.

"It's THEM, not me - honest. It can't be me. I do nothing!"

... is not a conspiracy theory, it is a moaning session.

[localidiot]

I simply do not believe that this type of blanket condemnation gets us anywhere. It is the easy cop out, and it is has been done over, and over, and over again.

"It's THEM, not me - honest. It can't be me. I do nothing!"

... is not a conspiracy theory, it is a moaning session.

I've noticed that since fourth grade, and it's mostly the same people. So what else is new.
Another thing I've noticed is that several of the peole talking about a Nazi regime in America... thn go on to talk about teh evil Jews, registration, ect.

In fact, i'm surprised how often I've seen registration pop up in the last few weeks.

Nothing new here, have a bad day or morning mate?

[eastbeast]

Good for you:)

BTW the avatar comments were about the photographs of the so called people in question,but your brain probably did not pick up on that seeing rage takes over reasoning sometimes.

I feel sorry for G brown T.B.H. lousy job. Being a puppet that is.


Perhaps the photos are not of the people concerned, I have no reason to think they are not, but then as you say (more or less) we could never be sure either way unless we actually met them.

I wasn't and never am in a rage, btw, in fact my calm reasoning manner is usually commented upon.

I don't feel sorry for GB as such, but you are right, we could all do the job better than anyone else, until it came to it! Human nature I suppose.

[grandsecretary]

I've noticed that since fourth grade, and it's mostly the same people. So what else is new.
Another thing I've noticed is that several of the peole talking about a Nazi regime in America... thn go on to talk about teh evil Jews, registration, ect.

In fact, i'm surprised how often I've seen registration pop up in the last few weeks.

Nothing new here, have a bad day or morning mate?

And this is the motivation behind it:

Originally Posted by gtycoon on another thread in the last day or so:

Sorry, I'm bad at articulating my thoughts sometimes... I mean an political party in the sense that we would not vote for masons/eastern stars/Illuminati and only vote for their opposition. So if there is a Freemason/Knight of Malta/etc etc running for sheriff, mayor, etc etc we vote them out.

The political party would not really have people running on the platform.

I would hire people to expose masonic businesses and boycott them....

So much for the freedom of the individual in a free democracy. Fascism and Stalinism - both sides of the same coin.

A register of Masons? Never!

[kenny_bubb]

Yeah they are plenty of BLIARS around,take your head out of your ASS:p i noticed you never mentioned the other link i posted.Typical.

so here it is again for you to feast your eyes upon.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

My head's never ventured towards my posterior, I'll have you know, despite it being quite cute.
As someone who has the dubious pleasure of receiving Joe Stirling's e-mails directly, I feasted my eyes upon the website you mentioned long ago.

I remain spectacularly unconvinced, being old-fashioned and demanding hard facts and evidence before drawing a firm conclusion.

Genuine evidence seems thin on the ground/non-existant. A conspiracy theory remains just a "theory" until it can be backed up by fact.

Just as some turn to religion for solace in this world, others find comfort in blaming all the world's ills and injustices on '.................' - feel free to insert Masons, The Illuminati, Dave Lee Travis, Clarence The Cross-Eyed Lion.

What change do you cut-and-paste keyboard warriors hope to usher in?

[eastbeast]

Just as some turn to religion for solace in this world, others find comfort in blaming all the world's ills and injustices on '.................' - feel free to insert Masons, The Illuminati, Dave Lee Travis, Clarence The Cross-Eyed Lion.

What change do you cut-and-paste keyboard warriors hope to usher in?


Evil of all evils........DLT disguised as Clarry the Lion...........:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek::eek::

Here is a Masonic warning vv



















LOOK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!! 11111111 !!!!!!!!

[stewart edwards]

we could all do the job better than anyone else, until it came to it! Human nature I suppose.Indeed it is. Funnily enough over the past year I have had the opportunity to reflect hard on "powers that be" decision making. I resigned form an organisation as I lost faith in it (lots of small issues but this sums it up well), and since then have been reflecting hard on "what would I have done differently in the dozen or so issues that wore me down?".

It isnt easy. It is easy to say yes you should do this or that, but the practicalities of the situation can muddy the water, like if you do follow the book you may not have an organisation left. Which then comes down to ethical standards in the organisation (in practice if not theory), leadership issues/styles etc.

It took me a good six months of inner work (reflection, thinking, analysing, trying to look at issues with a step back from all perspectives) to work out that anyone who takes a position of leadership holds huge amounts of responsibility in their hands, their decisions and actions can illuminate or darknen and do affect the lifes of many others, sometimes in ways not immediately apparent.

I got to the stage that I decided that I was now responsible enough to lead effectively, but I do agree with eastbeat here, anyone who thinks that they can do a better job that whatever "powers that be" they are moaning about consider this - how would you have done things differently? How would this make things better? How would you deal with the fall out? Are you responsible enough to make decisions that affect the lives and happiness of others? Do you have the range of experience and personal maturity to fulfil your role?

Leadership is far from easy. I have avoided it as best I could for 40 years. But the time comes when you do have to stand up and say regarless of how lonely leadership can be, how heartbreaking and energy draining it inevitably is at times, someone has to do it.

If in whatever area you are moaning about you really do think that you can do a better job - go for it. Just dont be nieve about how difficult being an effective leader can be.

[grandsecretary]

A less corrupt one.,e me me me me me you mememememememe .mason mentality.

it will soon be dawn in york.:)

It reminds me of the awful caste system in India,another partitioned country by the British.

After desperate efforts to keep India together, the Muslim League forced a separation. Don't try to rewrite history. It won't work.

Mind you, we now have three cricket teams: India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. IMHO India is the best in the world right now. Every cloud has a silver lining.

[lightgiver]

After desperate efforts to keep India together, the Muslim League forced a separation. Don't try to rewrite history. It won't work.

Mind you, we now have three cricket teams: India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. IMHO India is the best in the world right now. Every cloud has a silver lining.

Silver lining:confused:i suppose that depends on where you live?

[grandsecretary]

Silver lining:confused:i suppose that depends on where you live?

Where do you live? Any cricket?

[lightgiver]

Where do you live? Any cricket?

I live in a pure land and i see a lot of bad karma going around.

[rich157]

When interacting with the so called masons here??

Do not be tempted to divulge any personnel information peeps IE names areas ETC,they will try and bait you in,

Be Wary


I've put personal details up on here before. Nobody ever tried to bait me in though.

Kind of feel left out now, in a weird way. :eek::o:D

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s98/Mitchell_090/Nemo.jpg?t=1232073546

[lightgiver]

Perhaps the photos are not of the people concerned, I have no reason to think they are not, but then as you say (more or less) we could never be sure either way unless we actually met them.

I wasn't and never am in a rage, btw, in fact my calm reasoning manner is usually commented upon.

I don't feel sorry for GB as such, but you are right, we could all do the job better than anyone else, until it came to it! Human nature I suppose.

My knowledge comes from experience not cut and paste,but sometimes cut and paste and posting the vids is the easiest way to do it,why type it all out?:)

You just came across a little upset,much apologies;)

[lightgiver]

I've put personal details up on here before. Nobody ever tried to bait me in though.

Kind of feel left out now, in a weird way. :eek::o:D

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s98/Mitchell_090/Nemo.jpg?t=1232073546

I just like being private:) i have posted enough info to assess my character,names are just labels;)

Who is really who??,unless you know them personally then that's fine:)

[rich157]

names are just labels;)


I prefer numbers. ;)

[lightgiver]

I prefer numbers. ;)

They are all empty of inherent existence,mind is formless:)do not be attached i say:D:D but still interesting stuff.;)

Each to their own.

Different people have different preferences.

[eastbeast]

It reminds me of the awful caste system in India,another partitioned country by the British.


Just so as we are clear, wasn't the caste system in operation long before the British swiped India?
Which explains the naming of the castes [which I can't remember]



My knowledge comes from experience not cut and paste,but sometimes cut and paste and posting the vids is the easiest way to do it,why type it all out?:)

You just came across a little upset,much apologies;)


Agreed, cut 'n paste is a useful tool, its just overused sometimes.

No need to apologise, but thanks. :)

[grandsecretary]

Just so as we are clear, wasn't the caste system in operation long before the British swiped India?

Please do not rewrite history.

King Charles II married Catherine of Braganza in 1661. She was the second surviving daughter of King John IV of Portugal. Bombay was part of the dowry, as was Goa and Chittagong, and this laid the foundation for Britain's Empire in India.

Britain did NOT "swipe" anything. Thank you.

[blueyonder2012]

Please do not rewrite history.


"Official" History can be rewritten when more facts and evidence comes to light. . .

Example:

The war with Iraq, falsified evidence to do so . . . NO WMD etc

Congressman Dennis Kucinich:
With new disclosures that the Administration tried to "cook the books at the
CIA" by creating a phony, forged link between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUuhKJYFUfg

In turn this can change the future of history to.

;)

[grandsecretary]

"Official" History can be rewritten when more facts and evidence comes to light. . .

Example:

The war with Iraq, falsified evidence to do so . . . NO WMD

Congressman Dennis Kucinich:
With new disclosures that the Administration tried to "cook the books at the
CIA" by creating a phony, forged link between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUuhKJYFUfg

In turn this can change the future of history to.

;)

Not the history of India and how it became a part of the British Empire. Bombay was presented to England in 1662, 346 years ago.

What you are quoting here is not history, it is American naivety.

Here in Britain (Europe) we have always known that there was no link between Saddam Hussein and Al Queida to the point that they were sworn enemies.

This just proves that American citizens should read more (non-American) newspapers, and watch the BBC and other news programmes on the television in preference to CNN and Fox.

This is the only way that you will know what is going on in the world East of New York and West of San Francisco.

We were also lied to in respect of WMD. Unlike the USA, we will have a full enquiry. and any wrongdoing punished. The chickens will come home to roost.

[blueyonder2012]

This just proves that American citizens should read more (non-American) newspapers, and watch the BBC and other news programmes on the television in preference to CNN and Fox.


I used to trust the bbc but kept hearing different views else were!!

The BBC is Propaganda - Just watch John Pilger about (http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partID=3)
Harold Pinter wrote: "John Pilger unearths, with steely attention, the facts, the filthy truth, and tells it as it is."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4258131083758254736


Others are waking up to it too. See the comments
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1079415/Hitler-planned-Big-Brother-style-television-broadcast-Nazi-propaganda.html

:eek:

[grandsecretary]

I used to trust the bbc but kept hearing different views else were!!

The BBC is Propaganda - Just watch John Pilger about (http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partID=3)
Harold Pinter wrote: "John Pilger unearths, with steely attention, the facts, the filthy truth, and tells it as it is."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4258131083758254736


Others are waking up to it too. See the comments
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1079415/Hitler-planned-Big-Brother-style-television-broadcast-Nazi-propaganda.html

:eek:

You can trust the BBC, as the BBC, because we have journalists like John Pilger who puts over the communist point of view as well, and even though he is a communist and a propogandist, he is still reported in the British press. You must read a number of sources in the USA and Europe, and then make your own mind up.

To rely on CNN and Fox is a MAJOR mistake. When we saw that Americans believed that there was an Al Queida connection with Iraq, we were flabbergasted at the level of naivety in the United States of America. I am sure that other British contributors here will confirm this.

[blueyonder2012]

You can trust the BBC, as the BBC, because we have journalists like John Pilger who puts over the communist point of view as well, and even though he is a communist and a propogandist, he is still reported in the British press. You must read a number of sources in the USA and Europe, and then make your own mind up.

To rely on CNN and Fox is a MAJOR mistake. When we saw that Americans believed that there was an Al Queida connection with Iraq, we were flabbergasted at the level of naivety in the United States of America. I am sure that other British contributors here will confirm this.

John just tells it how it is . . .

NOT Labour or Conservative view . . . Pathetic:rolleyes:

"Even if you are a minority of one, the TRUTH is still the TRUTH" - Gandhi

That now dated play ground politics, we are given a Politically correct version for an agenda.

Why have we not heard from the bbc about:

Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_knowledge.htm

Former German Defense Minister Confirms CIA Involvement in 9/11
http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html)

Ex MP Micheal Meacher: This war on terrorism is bogus
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/06/september11.iraq

Its all smoke and mirrors . . .;)


.

[grandsecretary]

John just tells it how it is . . ..

Well if you believe that, then you are naive.

[blueyonder2012]

Well if you believe that, then you are naive.

ee, bless . .

You who know everything and you are never wrong, silly me:rolleyes:


What ever this man says is completely correct, historical and to the point. Even presented with other facts.

He knows more than the ex Prime minister of Italy, Germany ex Defence Minister and any many other persons in this world that is more in the know.

mmm . . . Mr Plato must have been wrong then "the sign of wisdom is knowing how little we know".

Better to have a closed mind and be ignorant?? Believe every news source that fits in with my fixed left right brain reality, even if its the truth. (think inside the box kids, Supress!! DUH)

"always right, even if am presented with further evidence that contradicts the "official" story" Type"

As you have said be before "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit."

I say, Sarcasm is the highest form of wit as it hits the nail on the head! Tells it as it is!!;)

(Sarcasm, "please don't undermine me and tell me how it is because I don't want to know how it really is, and stops people talking behind their back [what are people really thinking]"):eek:Divide, conquer and rule.

We shall all just agree like good little sheeple, to be politicly correct to some one with a "Grand" name / title!!

What is political correctiveness: Leaves you wondering what the other person is really thinking and insecure. Divide, conquer and rule.


I do apologise for my naive mind, I have an open mind, and don't know anything.:confused:

I wonder if you could have an Occult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult) Society for an open mind??

Occult: The word occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret)


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[lightgiver]

Not the history of India and how it became a part of the British Empire. Bombay was presented to England in 1662, 346 years ago.

What you are quoting here is not history, it is American naivety.

Here in Britain (Europe) we have always known that there was no link between Saddam Hussein and Al Queida to the point that they were sworn enemies.

This just proves that American citizens should read more (non-American) newspapers, and watch the BBC and other news programmes on the television in preference to CNN and Fox.

This is the only way that you will know what is going on in the world East of New York and West of San Francisco.

We were also lied to in respect of WMD. Unlike the USA, we will have a full enquiry. and any wrongdoing punished. The chickens will come home to roost.

Oh yeah,

The recent revelations that Blair lied about Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction shows the lengths the government went to in order to ensure Britain’s participation in the war against Iraq. JANE JAMES writes.

In September 2002, in the run-up to the Labour Party conference and a new session of parliament, Blair produced the first dossier. Even then it was clear that it contained no new intelligence but Blair insisted that Saddam had WMDs which could be activated in 45 minutes and would threaten other countries. (See box) The second dossier produced in February 2003 ‘mixed’ intelligence services material with analysis found on the internet from a Californian research student. It was widely ridiculed. Blair also linked Saddam to Al-Qaida and claimed that intelligence data (now known to have been forged) proved that Iraq was trying to procure uranium from Africa to develop nuclear weapons.

[blueyonder2012]

Oh yeah,

The recent revelations that Blair lied about Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction shows the lengths the government went to in order to ensure Britain’s participation in the war against Iraq. JANE JAMES writes.

In September 2002, in the run-up to the Labour Party conference and a new session of parliament, Blair produced the first dossier. Even then it was clear that it contained no new intelligence but Blair insisted that Saddam had WMDs which could be activated in 45 minutes and would threaten other countries. (See box) The second dossier produced in February 2003 ‘mixed’ intelligence services material with analysis found on the internet from a Californian research student. It was widely ridiculed. Blair also linked Saddam to Al-Qaida and claimed that intelligence data (now known to have been forged) proved that Iraq was trying to procure uranium from Africa to develop nuclear weapons.

No, No "Grand" Secretary is always right . . .:eek: And Blair was even more right because he had a "Grander" Title/Position.

:D

.



:D

[grandsecretary]

ee, bless . .

You who know everything and you are never wrong, silly me:rolleyes:


What ever this man says is completely correct, historical and to the point. Even presented with other facts.

He knows more than the ex Prime minister of Italy, Germany ex Defence Minister and any many other persons in this world that is more in the know.

mmm . . . Mr Plato must have been wrong then "the sign of wisdom is knowing how little we know".

Better to have a closed mind and be ignorant?? Believe every news source that fits in with my fixed left right brain reality, even if its the truth. (think inside the box kids, Supress!! DUH)

"always right, even if am presented with further evidence that contradicts the "official" story" Type"

As you have said be before "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit."

I say, Sarcasm is the highest form of wit as it hits the nail on the head! Tells it as it is!!;)

(Sarcasm, "please don't undermine me and tell me how it is because I don't want to know how it really is, and stops people talking behind their back [what are people really thinking]"):eek:Divide, conquer and rule.

We shall all just agree like good little sheeple, to be politicly correct to some one with a "Grand" name / title!!

What is political correctiveness: Leaves you wondering what the other person is really thinking and insecure. Divide, conquer and rule.


I do apologise for my naive mind, I have an open mind, and don't know anything.:confused:

I wonder if you could have an Occult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult) Society for an open mind??

Occult: The word occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret)


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Pilger has the right to express his opinion like everyone else, including me, and you, but his biased opinions are expressed by a committed communist propogandist.

What I have suggested is that you look at ALL points of view, all of the "facts" before you make your own mind up. But you seem to value a permanent open mind.

“The open mind never acts: when we have done our utmost to arrive at a reasonable conclusion, we still - must close our minds for the moment with a snap, and act dogmatically on our conclusions” George Bernard Shaw

And then your last contribution exposes your ignorance of the subject of Freemasonry. Freemasonry is the science of measurement, in all of its manifestations, the very opposite of the occult which is about knowledge of the paranormal, or that which cannot be measured.

[chipstyxx]

Freemasonry is the science of measurement, in all of its manifestations,

This is a very interesting statement. I have never heard Freemasonry defined as this, could you elaborate on what it means grandsecretary? What insights might be gained through the 'science of measurement'?

Surely God is considered paranormal and therefore unmeasurable by this science but Freemasons are required to believe in God, this confuses me.

[grandsecretary]

This is a very interesting statement. I have never heard Freemasonry defined as this, could you elaborate on what it means grandsecretary? What insights might be gained through the 'science of measurement'?

Surely God is considered paranormal and therefore unmeasurable by this science but Freemasons are required to believe in God, this confuses me.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/grandsecretary/AncientofDays.jpg

Freemasonry is a search for the hidden mysteries of nature and science. Nature and science is explained and determined by measurement (mathematics). All science is mathematics. This is the process, Freemasonry, which is limited and governed by the immeasurable, the province of our Creator who measures everything that He created.

Mathematics - the unshaken Foundation of Sciences, and the plentiful Fountain of Advantage to human affairs. ~Isaac Barrow

[chipstyxx]

'Hidden mysteries of nature', surely when something is hidden and has to be revealed this would qualify as Occult knowledge? I didn't intend to pose another question, just an observation really. Well that explanation is certainly something to ponder, thankyou.

[grandsecretary]

'Hidden mysteries of nature', surely when something is hidden and has to be revealed this would qualify as Occult knowledge? I didn't intend to pose another question, just an observation really. Well that explanation is certainly something to ponder, thankyou.

Occult, meaning hidden (but nothing else). Clearly the exclusive province of God our Creator, and certainly no other supernatural power.

I hope that you are finding these discussions interesting. We can contribute a lot more when we do not waste time fending off silly comments.

Mathematics - the unshaken Foundation of Sciences, and the plentiful Fountain of Advantage to human affairs. ~Isaac Barrow

Mathematics is Freemasonry - Freemasonry is Mathematics

[the guy in pink]

Mathematics is Freemasonry - Freemasonry is Mathematics

My old Mathematics Professor who apparently entered varsity having taken 7 languages and no other subjects at school, maintained that Mathematics was simply another lauguage, the language of logic.

I can live with Freemasonry = the language of logic ;)

[oiram]

And me! grandsecretary - Peter Clatworthy - full details on my profile including my address, and telephone number. I stand behind what I post.
Thanks Mike.
I stand behind what I post. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gifhttp://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif You one in a million. You got my Respect!

Should you have been lying die like a Dog. That's my honest view.

That's the way; Honesty does not need to hide!

[grandsecretary]

I stand behind what I post. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gifhttp://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif You one in a million. You got my Respect!

Should you have been lying die like a Dog. That's my honest view.

That's the way; Honesty does not need to hide!


Thank you; fair enough; I agree.

[abolitionist]

freemasonry is not mathematics, mathematics is mathematics

freemasonry is a belief system

why else would they require a belief in god? (something which cannot be objectively measured or validated)

-----------

freemasonry is about hierarchy and control

you cannot measure reality, only create abstract distinctions of value like money which ultimately serve the inherent human drives

even the numbering system is only valid when it is determined to be true before it is used (a priori) - these attempts to create a priori knowledge are the attempt to dominate one's environment and other people

wake up you masonic fools!

[grandsecretary]

freemasonry is not mathematics, mathematics is mathematics

freemasonry is a belief system

why else would they require a belief in god? (something which cannot be objectively measured or validated)

-----------

freemasonry is about hierarchy and control


Aaaah! that is the point, and that is why we believe in God. Dooooh!

Thank you for telling me what freemasonry is. I bow to your superior knowledge. After all, what would I know?

[abolitionist]

Aaaah! that is the point, and that is why we believe in God. Dooooh!

Thank you for telling me what freemasonry is. I bow to your superior knowledge. After all, what would I know?

apparently not the answer in question

just like the authority figure George Bush doesn't know anything about running a government just because he is a president, for now...

[grandsecretary]

apparently not the answer in question

just like the authority figure George Bush doesn't know anything about running a government just because he is a president, for now...

And you do I suppose. God help us all.

[abolitionist]

And you do I suppose. God help us all.

sure, any bloke can tell that freemasonry is not mathematics

mathematics is mathematics

freemasonry is a belief system and social network that is hierarchical

if you can't see this, how can you profess to know anything about freemasonry?

[grandsecretary]

sure, any bloke can tell that freemasonry is not mathematics

mathematics is mathematics

freemasonry is a belief system and social network that is hierarchical

if you can't see this, how can you profess to know anything about freemasonry?

Because you are, very loosely and amateurishly, describing the Moderns form of freemasonry which is not the pure and original form of Anglo-saxon Freemasonry.

I understand the difference because I experienced well over 20 years of the Moderns form, at home and abroad, and I have researched, with professional colleagues, the subject of freemasonry for most of that time.

You obviously do not know the difference, and your postings prove it from the first to the last word of any statement or observation that you so inexpertly make.

[abolitionist]

if you can't see this, how can you profess to know anything about freemasonry?

Because you are, very loosely and amateurishly, describing the Moderns form of freemasonry which is not the pure and original form of Anglo-saxon Freemasonry.

I understand the difference because I experienced well over 20 years of the Moderns form, at home and abroad, and I have researched, with professional colleagues, the subject of freemasonry for most of that time.

You obviously do not know the difference, and your postings prove it from the first to the last word of any statement or observation that you so inexpertly make.

so you are saying that you can profess to know something because you think I do not - what kind of gibberish is that?

many fools spend their lives researching without understanding something

time spent does not equal authority in knowledge

you think I am describing something that I am not, but that's your attributional error

[grandsecretary]

if you can't see this, how can you profess to know anything about freemasonry?



so you are saying that you can profess to know something because you think I do not - what kind of gibberish is that?

many fools spend their lives researching without understanding something

time spent does not equal authority in knowledge

you think I am describing something that I am not, but that's your attributional error

No. I know you do not, and I know that I do from what you are saying here. I am measuring your words.

One of my colleague "fools" on our research committee is Professor of Medieval History at one of our leading Universities. Another is Professor of Constitutional Law at another. Others are leading authors and lecturers on Masonic subjects.

I am telling you, I am not asking you, that you are describing something that is not Freemasonry, it is the Moderns form of freemasonry, completely different to what we consider to be the genuine and the original.

What you are describing self-started in the back room of a London pub in 1717, and didn't get going properly until 1813. Not one of their members was qualified to open a Masonic Lodge as a Master, and they did not have copies of the necessary Masonic rituals, and so they made them up.

To give you a measure, yes a measure, my great great grandfather was born in 1780. Moderns freemasonry, which is what you are talking about, is quite new in comparison with genuine Anglo-Saxon Freemasonry (AD 926).

[ipopacific]

no one has the power to hurt you unless you first bestow that power on them...........sorry i chose love not fear who gives a shit about the masons and them having your details you dont already think tptb have a profile of each individual logging in on this site big deal!!!

[barney_rubble]

no one has the power to hurt you unless you first bestow that power on them...........sorry i chose love not fear who gives a shit about the masons and them having your details you dont already think tptb have a profile of each individual logging in on this site big deal!!!
The only people that have a "profile of each individual logging in on this site" are the administrators of the site.

That is the systems technology folks if you think that the systems guys are "The Powers That Be" well then you have a strange view on how the world works.

BTW I work in the systems area at my work and I am not a "power that is"; as it were.

[lightgiver]

Yes be very careful who you give personnel details to,unless you know them directly,and then you still have to tread with caution,

the road is wet,very wet :)

[infidelyork]

When interacting with the so called masons here??

Do not be tempted to divulge any personnel information peeps IE names areas ETC,
Common sense really.

they will try and bait you in,
THIS is the bit that confuses me. How and why would they 'bait me in'? Whatever 'bait me in' may mean. What is to be gained by this as far as the Masonic world goes? If I WERE to divulge personal details to a Mason on here, why would I, a normal, run of the mill sort of bloke, be targeted for 'baiting'. What would the Masons gain from that? I'm somewhat confused with all this....

Be Wary
Indeed. Although I'm generally more wary of people on here who claim to Aliens/from another dimension/from Hull/etc.

They hide you must do the same,their names could be false and their avatars also,tread with caution i repeat tread with caution.
This is the internet. You can be anyone you wish to be. Come on, this is 'Internet Security 101', but I'm still not sure about the Masonic connection.

These forces are everywhere,they play very cunning games.

Unless YOU know them personally just be careful also with PMs.

It could be anyone for all you know.
Once again, basic internet security, but what do the Masons gain by all of these 'cunning games'?

[lightgiver]

When people are defending DEVIL Grove,caution is needed :)

[zero1]

Dib-dib! The boy-scout Masons on here don't bother me.

As for personal details, look, I can google 'Peter Clatworthy' and find out he's a bit-part TV actor who chats with other boy-scout Masons on Masonic websites and forums, and is 'Grande-Secretaree' of a group of rebel Masons who recently formed a breakaway organization from the Scottish Rite called the Grand Lodge of All-England.

No big deal. Pete's a nice gentleman on here; if a bit snooty when you haven't read the same books he has.

As for me, the IA's know all about me, where I live, what my real name is, work history, preferences, everything is monitored; now are they connected to Masonry, that is a different thing.

Precisely who is 'shilling' and who is not is a judgement call on the internet.

[lightgiver]

Dib-dib! The boy-scout Masons on here don't bother me.

As for personal details, look, I can google 'Peter Clatworthy' and find out he's a bit-part TV actor who chats with other boy-scout Masons on Masonic websites and forums, and is 'Grande-Secretaree' of a group rebel Masons who recently formed a breakaway organization from the Scottish Rite called the Grand Lodge of All-England.

No big deal. Pete's a nice gentleman on here; if a bit snooty when you haven't read the same books he has.

As for me, the IA's know all about me, where I live, what my real name is, work history, preferences, everything is monitored; now are they connected to Masonry, that is a different thing.

Precisely who is 'shilling' and who is not is a judgement call on the internet.

Anyone who defends that Abomination of a place needs help,

hey what if I was burning sacrifices in the back garden,how would you feel that would go down with the neighbours :rolleyes:

[marpat]

You could be jack the ripper for all i know;)

I always tell my daughter to be wary of strangers:)

Enlightened people seldom or never possess a sense of responsibility.

So if this is true then what gives them to authority to tell other what is good or bad, how people should live, etc. Does this mean Icke is either irresponsible or is not enlightened? which was Buddha?

[marpat]

When people are defending DEVIL Grove,caution is needed :)

So what evil is actually KNOWN to have occured there?

[lightgiver]

So what evil is actually KNOWN to have occured there?

Maybe it should be marpat warning :rolleyes: kick ass, ya couldn't fight ya self out of a wet paper bag.

[QUOTE=lightgiver;1058512476]http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8420/nixonreagenatgrovepu3.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/i/nixonreagenatgrovepu3.jpg/)

what a lovely bunch of Satanists partying on down at BG death cult,deciding who lives and dies,

Ye shall reap what ye sow.

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/1658/nuclearexplosion.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/nuclearexplosion.jpg/)

yes these are the demons who run your world,

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/5051/hiroshima2.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/hiroshima2.jpg/)

and their lackeys are here trying to defend this evil

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/9283/hiroshima1.gif (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/hiroshima1.gif/)

[marpat]

So I ask you what evil have been known to actually occur at BG yet you respond with some pointless deflection.

If you want to see a really sick death cult read up on the catacombs of Palermo, Sicily.

[lightgiver]

So I ask you what evil have been known to actually occur at BG yet you respond with some pointless deflection.

If you want to see a really sick death cult read up on the catacombs of Palermo, Sicily.

whatever you spout agent of the Devil :rolleyes:

Your excuses are wearing thin.

[grandsecretary]

whatever you spout agent of the Devil :rolleyes:

Your excuses are wearing thin.

No no no no no. Deal with the issue.

[lightgiver]

No no no no no. Deal with the issue.

You pal are pushing your luck.:mad:

Corruption creeps in society when the matter is considered as inert and the members of society do not find any sin in treating the benign mother earth (and each other) as a quarry. In Rig Vedas spirit of God is in the “shunya” (cosmic void) of each sub atomic particle of atom- the building block of matter. Hence the matter has unsuspected vitality and its use on need based living is virtue and its excessive use is a sin. Corruption creeps in a society where economics (artha) is based on inert matter and the possession of wealth/any kind of matter having predominance of tamasik guna of stupor is considered as a matter of pride.

[grandsecretary]

Deal with the issue. Yes, I am pushing it.

[lightgiver]

Deal with the issue. Yes, I am pushing it.

and you are now on a official warning,

change that avatar its winding me up.

2010 is going to be interesting.

[grandsecretary]

and you are now on a official warning,

change that avatar its winding me up.

2010 is going to be interesting.

Let's hope so. Happy New Year to you and yours.

[lightgiver]

Let's hope so. Happy New Year to you and yours.

I wish it was going to be happy but I am sure it will be bombs, false flags, lies,banking corruption etc etc etc

hey ho here we go,

be safe.

[marpat]

whatever you spout agent of the Devil :rolleyes:

Your excuses are wearing thin.

Is there actually anybody working the controls in there?

[marpat]

and you are now on a official warning,

change that avatar its winding me up.

2010 is going to be interesting.

Didnt realise that boddhisattvas got wound up

[grandsecretary]

Didnt realise that boddhisattvas got wound up

Ouch! :D

[decim]

A link to your quotation (http://www.karmayog.org/anticorruption/anticorruption_17784.htm).


Corruption creeps in society when the matter is considered as inert and the members of society do not find any sin in treating the benign mother earth (and each other) as a quarry. In Rig Vedas spirit of God is in the “shunya” (cosmic void) of each sub atomic particle of atom- the building block of matter. Hence the matter has unsuspected vitality and its use on need based living is virtue and its excessive use is a sin. Corruption creeps in a society where economics (artha) is based on inert matter and the possession of wealth/any kind of matter having predominance of tamasik guna of stupor is considered as a matter of pride.

[tinyint]

In my opinion, all those secret societies do deeply contradict what the propaganda mill has been preaching on and on... a free and open society.
Ironically, it is a sneer in our fake democracies, mainly the masons saying "we are working for a better society bla" and "be open minded" whereas they meanwhile tyrannize half of the world, keeping their population at home very uneducated.

All of our political leaders are puppets and corrupt as shit, astonishingly a lot of them masons.

It only most obviously does not fit into reality.

I consider such societies to be an antique and outdated model, and in fact they are.

[grandsecretary]

All of our political leaders are puppets and corrupt as shit ...

"All" :rolleyes:

[tinyint]

"All" :rolleyes:

Do you know one who is not corrupt in higher positions of western world?
Nothing more to say than that?
I must have hit something.

[lightgiver]

Do you know one who is not corrupt in higher positions of western world?
Nothing more to say than that?
I must have hit something.

Ignore GS he is just a massive wind up agent.:)

Didnt realise that boddhisattvas got wound up

Just goes to show how little your 1 brain cell knows.:p

[marpat]

Ignore GS he is just a massive wind up agent.:)



Just goes to show how little your 1 brain cell knows.:p

Its 1 more than what you have though.

We should do a thread called Lightgiver Warning and make note of your silly, mindless posts that have no use or merit.

[lightgiver]

Its 1 more than what you have though.

We should do a thread called Lightgiver Warning and make note of your silly, mindless posts that have no use or merit.

We will keep you busy like little bees, the army is massing.

[marpat]

We will keep you busy like little bees, the army is massing.

lol, can I buy some pot from you

[grandsecretary]

Do you know one who is not corrupt in higher positions of western world?
Nothing more to say than that?
I must have hit something.

Yes.

[lightgiver]

lol, can I buy some pot from you

No thanks ,that soapbar will give you something you do not want,there is that much crap in it.

I prefer to stay clean especially in times of universal deceit.:)

hey just because I like reggae does not mean I have to smoke weed or pot:rolleyes:

[infidelyork]

Lightgiver, you've still not explained why, and more importantly, how, the 'Masons' are going to "bate me in" . A non-cryptic answer would be good, just a straight explanation of how the Masons would use my personal information (for example) and what good it would do them.

[lightgiver]

Lightgiver, you've still not explained why, and more importantly, how, the 'Masons' are going to "bate me in" . A non-cryptic answer would be good, just a straight explanation of how the Masons would use my personal information (for example) and what good it would do them.

eh :confused:

[boots]

lol, can I buy some pot from you


Marpat admits to smoking pot. :D

.

[infidelyork]

eh :confused:
Your first post on this thread. Why should I be careful about the Masons on here and not anyone else?

[lightgiver]

Your first post on this thread. Why should I be careful about the Masons on here and not anyone else?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64586

Lady Die (part.1/23) The Royal Assassination of Lady Diana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZhnkoadHQo

Maybe when you have some experience then you may understand,

do you realise this is the D Icke forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3h2PwxWI9o

maybe you need to understand how the masons work and who they work for in their pecking order structure :)

Marpat admits to smoking pot. :D

.

really no wonder he is always going on about it,hope the SSM or RSM does not find out.

he must be smoking the soapbar,it has ketamine in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

[infidelyork]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64586

Lady Die (part.1/23) The Royal Assassination of Lady Diana
What does that have to do with my question? You claim on your first post that the Masons will use personal information to "bait you in". I want to know how they do that on this forum and for what reason. How or why Princess Diana died is irrelevant to that question.

do you realise this is the D Icke forum
Obviously its the Icke forum. Where else would you get posters making bizarre statements and then failing to answer questions about it but post links to random videos instead?...

[lightgiver]

What does that have to do with my question? You claim on your first post that the Masons will use personal information to "bait you in". I want to know how they do that on this forum and for what reason. How or why Princess Diana died is irrelevant to that question.


Obviously its the Icke forum. Where else would you get posters making bizarre statements and then failing to answer questions about it but post links to random videos instead?...

Look read the forum,do not try and get clever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE

if you do not like the answer then why are you on this forum.
You are starting to whiff.

maybe you are a mason:rolleyes:

and by the sounds of that name I would not be surprised.

[boots]

really no wonder he is always going on about it,hope the SSM or RSM does not find out.

he must be smoking the soapbar,it has ketamine in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

Yeah heard about Big K.. Give it to soldiers when they are wounded. Except marpat's not a solider. His a useful idiot.

[lightgiver]

Yeah heard about Big K.. Give it to soldiers when they are wounded. Except marpat's not a solider. His a useful idiot.

Yes this is correct boots :D

they give them the big K before they join these days,its in the water.

[infidelyork]

Look read the forum,do not try and get clever.
I have read as much as I can and cannot find an answer to how a Mason on here is going to use my personal information and 'bait me in' or indeed what 'baiting me in' actually involves. YOU started the thread and now you appear to be getting very defensive when asked to answer a straight forward question about it. Surely it can't be that hard?

if you do not like the answer then why are you on this forum.
Firstly, I have not received an answer as yet, just links to videos that do not explain how my personal details will be used by Masons on here to 'bait me in'.
Why I'm on this forum is of no concern of yours, or anyone elses to be honest.

You are starting to whiff.
You are starting to sound like someone struggling to justify their post.

maybe you are a mason:rolleyes:
Maybe you should just answer the question?

and by the sounds of that name I would not be surprised.
It's not my real name, honestly.

[lightgiver]

I have read as much as I can and cannot find an answer to how a Mason on here is going to use my personal information and 'bait me in' or indeed what 'baiting me in' actually involves. YOU started the thread and now you appear to be getting very defensive when asked to answer a straight forward question about it. Surely it can't be that hard?


Firstly, I have not received an answer as yet, just links to videos that do not explain how my personal details will be used by Masons on here to 'bait me in'.
Why I'm on this forum is of no concern of yours, or anyone elses to be honest.


You are starting to sound like someone struggling to justify their post.

Maybe you should just answer the question?


It's not my real name, honestly.

well its up to you infidel

you have had the answers if you cannot accept it,tough :)

[boots]

Got to ask yourself why a mason would spend so much time on a forum like this.

Those within the "services" love to collect info. Thats what they are paid to do. That's their game.

.

[infidelyork]

Got to ask yourself why a mason would spend so much time on a forum like this.

Those within the "services" love to collect info. Thats what they are paid to do. That's their game.

.

Fair comment Boots, and at least an attempt to answer the question Lightgiver has been unable to. I'm still confused about this 'bait you in' thing though...

[lightgiver]

Fair comment Boots, and at least an attempt to answer the question Lightgiver has been unable to. I'm still confused about this 'bait you in' thing though...

Tough, I am not wasting my precious time on silly boys.

[infidelyork]

Tough, I am not wasting my precious time on silly boys.

Very intelligent argument. Well done.

[lightgiver]

Very intelligent argument. Well done.

Tough.:)

THE LESSON: DON'T BE AFRAID, BE WARY.

Its a shakedown,

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/[/QUOTE]

[freeman craig]

I honestly dont think we have anything to worry about when it comes to freemasons full stop. They are mostly made up of old men that arent allowed in the boy scouts anymore. Its the people that are corrupted by power that you have to watch out for doesnt matter whether they're masons or not. If they are corrupted by power then they are dangerous to anyone they feel to be above. if you saw them doing thier 1st degree ritual with one trouser leg rolled up the only danger they would be to you is you might piss yourself laughing thats about it. my old man is a mason and im always taking the piss out him for it, i've attended ladies nights when he was in the chair. It was a great evening watching all the old farts trying to sing and dance and act all important bless them. If they are the power elite's foot soliders then we have nothing to fear. I read the secetarygeneral postings on here aswell and he kind of proves my point most of the old farts have lost thier marbles ie you should watch the bbc they tell you the truth hahahahahahahaha and i like this this one about it being about science and measurements hahahahaha i've been trying to explain about the formulas einstein was working on on his death bed the greater law of relativity to my old man for years. I may as well be talking in dutch to him he will never get it. freemasons are a knife and fork society thats all no more important then the brownies they are not corrupt they may have members that are in power that are corrupt but thats the power doing that not the society. The government know exactly who you are what you look at on the net, big brother does not need a not so very secret society to do it. Just my thoughts anyway. What i dont like about them is they're sexist by not allowing women to join there club and it creates a divide them and us attitude when we are all equal i think thats why people dont trust them.

[lightgiver]

I honestly dont think we have anything to worry about when it comes to freemasons full stop. They are mostly made up of old men that arent allowed in the boy scouts anymore. Its the people that are corrupted by power that you have to watch out for doesnt matter whether they're masons or not. If they are corrupted by power then they are dangerous to anyone they feel to be above. if you saw them doing thier 1st degree ritual with one trouser leg rolled up the only danger they would be to you is you might piss yourself laughing thats about it. my old man is a mason and im always taking the piss out him for it, i've attended ladies nights when he was in the chair. It was a great evening watching all the old farts trying to sing and dance and act all important bless them. If they are the power elite's foot soliders then we have nothing to fear. I read the secetarygeneral postings on here aswell and he kind of proves my point most of the old farts have lost thier marbles ie you should watch the bbc they tell you the truth hahahahahahahaha and i like this this one about it being about science and measurements hahahahaha i've been trying to explain about the formulas einstein was working on on his death bed the greater law of relativity to my old man for years. I may as well be talking in dutch to him he will never get it. freemasons are a knife and fork society thats all no more important then the brownies they are not corrupt they may have members that are in power that are corrupt but thats the power doing that not the society. The government know exactly who you are what you look at on the net, big brother does not need a not so very secret society to do it. Just my thoughts anyway. What i dont like about them is they're sexist by not allowing women to join there club and it creates a divide them and us attitude when we are all equal i think thats why people dont trust them.

and you really know?

I will tell you something TRUE FREEMASONRY has been infiltrated by the forces of EVIL,and it is up to genuine Freemasons to purge their once good organisation before it crumbles.

but hey that's been the agenda all along of the corrupt bankers.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8632/masonicmonumentisrael20.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/masonicmonumentisrael20.jpg/)

It looks like to me many masons could not give a damn about their Brotherhood as long as they keep their temporary positions of temporary power and wealth.

[freeman craig]

sorry your missing my point maybe i didnt explain it properly. My belief is that we are all equal even the powerful elite we are all human spirits. Therefore no one has the right to rule over someone else its un-natural thats why power corrupts the person. The people in power are more of victims then we are of the system they have totally removed themselves from who they really are. Thats how they can do the things they do to us anyone with a heart could not do the same things. Its the power that corrupts people not being a freemason. Look at it this way do you really think they would use a society that EVERYONE knows about to carry out thier dirty work. That doesnt sound a very good idea does it a so called secret society thats not very secret. Big brother have already got your details every bill you've paid every card transaction all phones calls are being recorded now in the US ( i believe ) everything you look at on the net they know about. They already have every detail about you they dont need a bunch of old farts to get you its already been done and if the fema camps are true and the round up is going to happen then freemasons wont have any part of it. To be honest its very wise not to give out your info to anyone anyway god knows what type of person they could be. There are bad people in all walks of life labelling people of a society as all bad just isnt right. if you keep looking out for the wrong people then the true enemy can sneak up on you.

[freeman craig]

just to add what would be the role of the freemasons in there plan. They already own the governments, secret services, police, courts and the army they have got everything covered.

[marpat]

Marpat admits to smoking pot. :D

.

lol, not quite. In my job I cant. Just a witty response to lg's bizarre posts.

[lightgiver]

lol, not quite. In my job I cant. Just a witty response to lg's bizarre posts.

Not as bizarre as your silly butt head avatar and your ideology's.

[kenny_bubb]

Tough, I am not wasting my precious time on silly boys.

"Precious" time spent talking bobbins on the internet, Lightgiver?

Your house still booby-trapped?

Happy New Year! :D

[christ4life]

People take risks in life I'm not going to live in fear of never going on the internet. I enjoy talking to people from all walks of life. If they are paying attention to me then they got alot of time on their hands. I'm just an average person living an average life. These days just about anything you do is a risk it seems.

[zero1]

People take risks in life I'm not going to live in fear of never going on the internet. I enjoy talking to people from all walks of life. If they are paying attention to me then they got alot of time on their hands. I'm just an average person living an average life. These days just about anything you do is a risk it seems.

Good post, agree.

[lightgiver]

"Precious" time spent talking bobbins on the internet, Lightgiver?

Your house still booby-trapped?

Happy New Year! :D

Oh yes,I am stocked up to the illuminati nuts .:cool:


Some just cannot handle the truth.

especially you.Ha Ha.(looks like you are still popping in wasting your time to read the Bobbins)trying to learn something are we.

I do not talk on the net ,I type on this forum, and many many read it.


… iam pridem, ex quo suffragia nulli uendimus, effudit curas; nam qui dabat olim imperium, fasces, legiones, omnia, nunc se continet atque duas tantum res anxius optat, panem et circenses.

[grandsecretary]

Well it lightens our day. Everyone needs to laugh.

[moon monkey]

Well it lightens our day. Everyone needs to laugh.

But can you laugh at yourself ?

That is the most important thing.

[grandsecretary]

But can you laugh at yourself ?

That is the most important thing.

Yes, definitely. Very therapeutic.

[azaziel01]

I may now use my real name on my avatar (or my real image - I look nothing like Paul McGann!) but I do sign my name at the bottom of each post.

As for Peter, I have spoke to him once on the phone, he is a very cordial chap. Mike is another nice guy who when asked politely answers questions with apolmb.

I just found out that my elderly next door neighbour is a mason, he is a very kind gentleman who has helped my fiance and myself countless times, a very altruistic soul.

I wouldn't give out my personal details to most people on an internet forum, but those like Peter and Mike and the sadly missed Steve Penny use their real names and therefore can stand by what they say.

Chris

[cstewart1987]

Years ago i feared uploading details but believd that it was stupid to worry about being knowen online.

nowadays i dont give a shite, im baaned from almost every republican forum and site/ blog on the net loloo.

I tear sheds out of there dogmas, there founders are masons and there are useless sheep.

Oiche Mhaith

[zero1]

Well it lightens our day. Everyone needs to laugh.

God knows that's true, we all need a laugh these days; with all the DOOM going around lately, life can start to feel like a surrealist painters nightmare.

[aratron]

Yes, definitely. Very therapeutic.

peace

[aratron]

When interacting with the so called masons here??

Do not be tempted to divulge any personnel information peeps IE names areas ETC,they will try and bait you in,

Be Wary

They hide you must do the same,their names could be false and their avatars also,tread with caution i repeat tread with caution.

These forces are everywhere,they play very cunning games.

Unless YOU know them personally just be careful also with PMs.

It could be anyone for all you know.

bizarre.

[lightgiver]

bizarre.

I just love those 1 masonic liners.

Yeah very bizarre,maybe we live in a bizarre world.:rolleyes:

do you know who jack the ripper was and why he did what he did.

[cstewart1987]

I just love those 1 masonic liners.

Yeah very bizarre,maybe we live in a bizarre world.:rolleyes:

do you know who jack the ripper was and why he did what he did.

That surly is bizarre, why name a street in turkey bazzare or something , whats the deal with linguistics and magick, its bizarre, freemasons are gay deep down inside, at least non freemasons can be proud that god loves them, lol

[lightgiver]

That surly is bizarre, why name a street in turkey bazzare or something , whats the deal with linguistics and magick, its bizarre, freemasons are gay deep down inside, at least non freemasons can be proud that god loves them, lol

yep,very bizarre:D

[marc_o]

Enlightened people seldom or never possess a sense of responsibility.

Hi.

Could you elaborate on this point for me a little please?

[aratron]

I just love those 1 masonic liners.

Yeah very bizarre,maybe we live in a bizarre world.:rolleyes:

do you know who jack the ripper was and why he did what he did.

hey wait a second are you suggesting that i am a freemason?
you should try and be less paranoid?

i do think we live in a bizarre world, don't you?

now jack the ripper, im a big ripper fan, and i love From Hell.

who do you think he was?

[stewart edwards]

+1 to marc o

I hope that I am a little enlightened. Though clearly that could just be my ego. But I struggled for several years with issues surrounding responsibility before deciding that I was responsible enough to lead, as opposed to simply muddling through. And should I ever decide to take a formal position of repsonsibility in society I will be having "no" men around me to help me ensure that balance is maintained, power doesnt corrupt, and that my sense of responsibility doesnt get forgotten as darkness tries to corrupt.

But then again all that I may ever lead is my neighbours dog.:D

[cstewart1987]

i think that was the problem in general, the dot want roots or tradition, tptb took the abilty for people to learn and continue on being enlightened, it makes sense.

[boots]

Not as bizarre as your silly butt head avatar and your ideology's.


Thats true;):)


.

[lightgiver]

Do not click on the links the masons provide

they are tracking you

[scorpio]

Equally I stand by what I believe
Past Master/PZ
Gerard O'Donnell
1316 Lodge Dunedin Caritas SC
Journeyman Masons RAC 417 SC/ PZ

[lightgiver]

Equally I stand by what I believe
Past Master/PZ
Gerard O'Donnell
1316 Lodge Dunedin Caritas SC
Journeyman Masons RAC 417 SC/ PZ

I know bushs and co address and name too,

does that stop him and his fiends from being murdering filthy liars

[beastcop156]

When interacting with the so called masons here??

Do not be tempted to divulge any personnel information peeps IE names areas ETC,they will try and bait you in,

Be Wary

They hide you must do the same,their names could be false and their avatars also,tread with caution i repeat tread with caution.

These forces are everywhere,they play very cunning games.

Unless YOU know them personally just be careful also with PMs.

It could be anyone for all you know.

Every Mason I know has never been frightened to give their real name, address, phone number etc and if they are nice to me, I am happy to do the same. I'm me and have nothing to hide. Just a person with problems like the rest of the world.


If offered again to join Eastern Stars, I would but my health issues would keep me from doing a lot of work at this time.

Jack the Ripper was not a Mason btw

[lightgiver]

Did you know jack the ripper or something :confused:

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2412/13580465114d06b9c517.jpg (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/13580465114d06b9c517.jpg/)

911- The Lone Gunmen - March 2001 Pilot Episode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26g18Dg7db4

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2589/1358920962852878183do.jpg (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/1358920962852878183do.jpg/)

Synchronicity, Illuminati in Hollywood,Films
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyLhXDwY0SY

[lightgiver]

its what the brains of the plane is telling the little black box


http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1328/becareful.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/becareful.jpg/)


BYERS SNR: John.

BYERS: Dad.

BYERS SNR: What the hell are you doing? Why can't you stay out of this. Leave me buried.

BYERS: What is scenario 12-D?

BYERS: We know it's a war game scenario. That it has to do with airline counter-terrorism. Why is it important enough to kill for.

BYERS SNR: Because it's no longer a game.

BYERS: But if some terrorist group wants to act out this scenario, then why target you for assassination?

BYERS SNR: Depends on who your terrorists are.

BYERS: The men who conceived of it the first place. You're saying our government is planning to commit a terrorist act against a domestic airline?

BYERS SNR: There you go again. Blaming the entire government as usual. In fact, a small faction ...

BYERS: For what possible gain?

[marpat]

No way on earth are you having my name. ha ha.:D

The aim of a joke is not to degrade the human being, but to remind him that he is already degraded.

I will see you around. oh hello Dawn.Pleased to meet you.No neither do I.


THE LESSON: DON'T BE AFRAID, BE WARY.

Taking care on the he/she part mike?

Its a shakedown,

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

Why not Robert?

[marpat]

I know bushs and co address and name too,

does that stop him and his fiends from being murdering filthy liars

Funny how you always ask other people to prove their identities and now you are warning people not to divulge personal information. Change of pills perhaps?

[lightgiver]

Funny how you always ask other people to prove their identities and now you are warning people not to divulge personal information. Change of pills perhaps?

Anyone would think you are stalking me :rolleyes:

Its better to be safe than sorry.

[beastcop156]

Anyone would think you are stalking me :rolleyes:

Its better to be safe than sorry.

Maybe I am. :p

You appear stalkable.

Good for you!!! Tomorrow I have to have a procedure so you'll have to find another one. I sorrie

I found a song for you snowflake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIgb7cMgJEw&

[heuer]

I also stand by what I believe..

Andrew Rockefe... AH SHIT.

John Citizen
200 Fake Street
12345678

[beastcop156]

I also stand by what I believe..

Andrew Rockefe... AH SHIT.

John Citizen
200 Fake Street
12345678


hahahaa :p

[edelweiss pirate]

The Case For The Prosecution

"Judge's" Instructions

Jack the Ripper is the name applied to the murderer or murderers, never caught, of several prostitutes in London in 1888. There are many theories about this case, including some interesting aspects related to Freemasonry. It is useful for Masons to have the facts about it.

"Prosecutor's" Case

This is what a prosecutor might say to attempt to show that Freemasons were involved in the Jack the Ripper murders ---

Queen Victoria's son, later King Edward VII, was Grand Master of Masons in England in 1888. His son, Eddy, would have become King if his grandmother and father died before him. Eddy, 24 in 1888, aided by a carriage driver, made secret visits to a London artist named Walter Sickert and his friends. Eddy met and had a baby with an illiterate Catholic "shop-girl" named Annie and they were married secretly. Sickert hired a nanny for Eddy and Annie's baby daughter. The nanny was Mary (or Marie) Kelly, who, with Sickert, was a witness at Eddy's and Annie's wedding. Britain then was in great political turmoil, and if the country had found out that someone so close to the throne married someone like Annie it could have led to the end of the monarchy and all those who benefitted from the British political and social system, especially the Freemasons.

Word of all this got to Queen Victoria, who ordered her Prime Minister, the Marquess of Salisbury, to "fix" it. Salisbury, a prominent Freemason, arranged to have Annie placed in an insane asylum where she died 32 years later. Their daughter later became Sickert's mistress, had a son with him, and died in 1950. Sickert died in 1942. Eddy died in 1892.

Marie Kelly became a drunken prostitute and shared her information with three fellow prostitutes, who threatened to expose Eddy's actions. Prime Minister Salisbury decided this threat had to be ended. He called on his high ranking Masonic brethren, particularly Sir William Gull, physician to the Queen, the doctor who certified Annie as insane. Besides being a doctor, politically well-connected, and a high level Freemason, Gull was mentally unbalanced.

Gull decided to kill the women according to Masonic ritual. When Prime Minister Salisbury and other Masons in the government and police recognized what Gull was doing, even though they did not agree with his methods they arranged a coverup because they were required to keep the secrets of a Freemason, and appreciated what Gull was accomplishing. Gull convinced Netley the carriage driver and Sickert the painter to assist him to identify the 4 prostitutes. Then one by one they offered them lifts in their carriage, murdered the women and mutilated their bodies as prescribed in Masonic rituals. They then dropped the bodies in selected locations.

Gull killed the victims in the following manner: (a) On Aug. 31, 1888, Mary Ann (Polly) Nichols' throat was cut very deeply, starting at one ear and circling her throat, and her abdomen was cut open (b) On Sept. 8, 1888, Annie Chapman's throat was "ferociously" severed from one side to the other, her tongue protruded between her teeth and was swollen, her abdomen was entirely opened, all of her small intestines were removed and placed above her right shoulder but still attached, part of her stomach and "pubes" cut out and placed above her left shoulder, her uterus, womb, portion of vagina and most of the bladder removed. Her jewelry and coins were removed and two brass rings were placed at her feet. (c) On Sept. 30, 1888, Elizabeth (Liz) Stride's throat was cut from one jaw to the other. (d) On Sept. 30, 1888, Gull thought he was killing the last and most important victim, Marie Kelly, but he mistakenly murdered Catherine (Kate) Eddowes (who lived with a man named "Kelly," and used the name Mary Ann Kelly). Her throat was cut "from ear to ear," nose completely cut off, part of right ear cut off, severe cutting of other parts of her face in the shape of triangles, abdomen all exposed, intestines drawn out and placed over her right shoulder, a 2 foot piece removed and placed between her body and left arm in a careful manner. Her left kidney and part of her womb had been cut out and taken away. Nearby, police found a piece of her cut apron which fit exactly with the part still on her body. It was wet with blood, and just above it a message was found in white chalk on black bricks saying: "The Juwes are The men That Will not be Blamed for nothing." (e) After discovering the mistake with Eddowes, on Nov. 9, 1888, Gull and his allies murdered the real Mary Kelly in her apartment. Her throat was cut with the tissue severed "all around," whole surface of abdomen and thighs removed and abdominal cavity emptied, breasts cut off, arms mutilated, face hacked beyond recognition. Her uterus, kidneys, and one breast were under her head, the other breast by her right foot, liver between her feet, intestines by her right side, and spleen by her left side. Skin removed from her abdomen and thighs was on a bedside table. Part of one lung was missing, as was her heart. It appeared that the fireplace there had been used.

If these were ordinary murders the mutilations would have placed the murderer in danger of being caught. (Stride escaped mutilation because she refused the carriage ride and had to be killed quickly in the street.) The only reason for the specific types of mutilations was to inflict Masonic penalties. We should note the way the throats were cut, removal of the heart, removal of intestines (bowels), triangular cuts, cutting and removal of part of a victim's apron, divesting of minerals and metals with brass rings looking like the pillars at Solomon's temple placed at the feet. Eddowes, who was thought to be Kelly and thus the last victim, was left in "Mitre Square." The mitre and square are Masonic tools and Mitre Tavern was a well known Masonic meeting place. When the "Juwes" message was found on the wall, Sir Charles Warren, the head of the police and a Freemason, personally went to the scene to order it to be washed off, even though he had never before gone to the scene of a murder. He did this because the "Juwes" was too clear a reference to the ruffians who in Masonic legend murdered Hiram Abiff.

Freemasons have murdered those whose actions angered them, including Mozart and William Morgan. Masonic writings and history show that 33rd degree Masons crave absolute power and are willing to use murder.

Dr. Gull was said to have died in 1890, but he really was put into an insane asylum under the name "Thomas Mason" and died years later.

Sickert told the true story of the Jack the Ripper murders to his son Joseph (with Eddy and Annie's daughter). Joseph told the story to Stephen Knight, who found evidence to support it, especially the part about Masonic control of the police, judiciary, and government in Britain.


http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jacktheripper.html

[psquared]

Freemasons have murdered those whose actions angered them, including Mozart and William Morgan. Masonic writings and history show that 33rd degree Masons crave absolute power and are willing to use murder.

As opposed to non Masons who don't? SHow me the Masonic writing whis says a 33rd (or any other degree for that matter) should murder please.

[humason]

SHow me the Masonic writing whis says a 33rd (or any other degree for that matter) should murder please.

I will now sit back and wait for an out-of-context copy/paste from either Mackay or Pike.

[sofa king]

I will now sit back and wait for an out-of-context copy/paste from either Mackay or Pike.



You know it will be a Youtube link if provided at all.

[psquared]

Even if it were a Freemason who committed Murder, which can happen I a sure just as any other can committ a crime. To charge it to Freemasons everywhere is unfair. Even if theses two instances (Morgan and Jack the Ripper) are true, which there has been no record of truth but rather urban legend, it is two instances in several hundred years. While still unacceptable...as far as the odds go that means two out of how many Millions and million so masons during that timespan turned to murder.

Conspracy Theorists NEED theses things to occupy their time and to fuel the theories...otherwise they have no theory. Theory, sadly for them, doesn't equate to fact no matter how you slice it. Science/Law 101.

[psquared]

You know it will be a Youtube link if provided at all.

Yes, YouTube..the source of All AntiMasonic light.

[lightgiver]

Yes, YouTube..the source of All AntiMasonic light.

Complete and utter non sense

there are plenty pro mason videos too :rolleyes:

whats up,do you not like the light shining on your darkness :p

Maybe I am. :p

You appear stalkable.

Good for you!!! Tomorrow I have to have a procedure so you'll have to find another one. I sorrie

I found a song for you snowflake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIgb7cMgJEw&

Enter Sandman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QP-SIW6iKY
If I was you I would sleep with 1 eye open/

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4238/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg/)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1328/becareful.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/becareful.jpg/)

very careful.

The word Nephilim denotes that they fell and caused the downfall of the world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8CMfrf27zc

Thai boxer will normally check the kick, that is he will block the kick with his own shin.

[edelweiss pirate]

Book recommendation:

http://www.amazon.com/Jack-Ripper-Solution-Stephen-Knight/dp/0897332091

[sofa king]

Complete and utter non sense

there are plenty pro mason videos too :rolleyes:

whats up,do you not like the light shining on your darkness :p



many of the pro-mason videos are bunk too.

The ones set up by Grand Lodges are nothing more than cheap recruitment attempts.

Ohers are the opinions of the individual masons posting them without much proof.


So I am an equal opportunity disbeliever in Youtube vidoes.

[psquared]

there are plenty pro mason videos too

Yes , there are. I just do not use them to support every argument I have...nor do I use them to support ANY argument I have. YouTube is pretty much an unfiltered, unsubstantiated, unofficial place to put up pretty much whatever one chooses regardless of its accuracy, honesty, or validity. That applies to YouTube as a whole for me. I do not use YouTube as a source of valid information typically as a lot of it is opinion based as opposed to factually based..therefore, not a great source of truth in ANY case a lot of times Pro or Con any subject.

[lightgiver]

there are plenty pro mason videos too

Yes , there are. I just do not use them to support every argument I have...nor do I use them to support ANY argument I have. YouTube is pretty much an unfiltered, unsubstantiated, unofficial place to put up pretty much whatever one chooses regardless of its accuracy, honesty, or validity. That applies to YouTube as a whole for me. I do not use YouTube as a source of valid information typically as a lot of it is opinion based as opposed to factually based..therefore, not a great source of truth in ANY case a lot of times Pro or Con any subject.

I am sure most people with any common sense can make up their own minds regardless of what is posted on U tube.

many of the pro-mason videos are bunk too.

The ones set up by Grand Lodges are nothing more than cheap recruitment attempts.

Ohers are the opinions of the individual masons posting them without much proof.


So I am an equal opportunity disbeliever in Youtube vidoes.

how do we know they are junk when you do things in secret,maybe you should be more honest and open.

[psquared]

I am sure most people with any common sense can make up their own minds regardless of what is posted on U tube.



how do we know they are junk when you do things in secret,maybe you should be more honest and open.
I agree 100% that people with common sense can make up their own minds. I am open and honest, what would you like to know. The problem is that even when I give open and honest answers , I am called a liar...see the problem there?

[psquared]

Is it any wonder.

While Freemasonry has often been called a "secret society", Freemasons themselves argue that it is more correct to say that it is an esoteric society, in that certain aspects are private.


http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4238/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg/)

I wonder why?
We are not a "Secret Society", though I can see how calling it such aids the myth needed to propel the conspiracy theorists. Whole separate discussion.

Yes, we have "secrets"...such as our modes of recognition. Those I am obligated to keep secret, and have no issue with that.

[decim]

Wise to the lies..2P or not 2P T hatzzzz th Quest eye On..

What do you know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQOBcFfEj0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQOBcFfEj0

The birds and the bees they are wise to the lies
So they took to the trees and took to the skies
On top of the chain and safe from the rain
Whatcha' know about the ways of the underside?

What do you know?

Bought a hot shot gat from a north end guinea
'Cause they're hip to the bull and hip to the lies
Ante up with your ass 'cause you ain't got a penny
Whatcha' know about the ways on the underside?

What do you know?

Bought a hot shot gat from a north end guinea
Ante up with your ass 'cause you ain't got a penny
Droppin' bombs from above cut ya all down to size
'Cause they're hip to the bull and they're hip to the lies

What do you know?

Yeah, the streets rose in two perfect waves in the night
Crashes on my left, and one on my right
It's all fire and brimstone baby, so let's go outside
It's all fire and brimstone baby, I got my brand new pistol baby

What do you know?

Bought a hot shot gat from a north end guinea
Ante up with your ass 'cause you ain't got a penny
Droppin' bombs from above cut you all down to size
'Cause they're hip to the bull and they're hip to the lies
And they're hip to the lies

Our turn to decide, who lives and who dies
Right in front of your eyes, it's time to get up
Our turn to decide, who lives and who dies
Now answer the lies it's time to get up
Our turn to decide, who lives and who dies
Whatcha' know about the ways on the underside?

What do you know?

Bought a hot shot gat from a north end guinea
Now answer the lies, it's time to get up
Ante up with your ass 'cause you ain't got a penny
Time to get up
Dropping bombs from above cut you all down to size
Now answer the lies, it's time to get up
Cause they're hip to the bull and they're hip to the lies
And they're hip to the lies

Our turn to decide, who lives and who dies
Now answer the lies it's time to get up
Our turn to decide, who lives and who dies
Right in front of your eyes, it's time to get up
Our turn to decide, who lives and who dies
Now answer the lies it's time to get up
Our turn to decide, who lives and who dies

What do you know?

Big Dark Coming Soon...

[lightgiver]

We are not a "Secret Society", though I can see how calling it such aids the myth needed to propel the conspiracy theorists. Whole separate discussion.

Yes, we have "secrets"...such as our modes of recognition. Those I am obligated to keep secret, and have no issue with that.

I suppose thats why conversations with masons on here go around in circles without you ever really divulging anything, no wonder people are suspicious,

especially with everything that is going on.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2589/1358920962852878183do.jpg (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/1358920962852878183do.jpg/)

THE number Eleven, as it exceeds number ten, which is the number of the commandments, so it falls short of the number Twelve, which is of grace and perfection; therefore it is called the number of sins, and the penitent.Now the number twelve is divine, and that whereby the celestials are measured; it is, also, the number of signs in the Zodiac, over which there are twelve angels as chief, supported by the irrigation of the great name of God. In twelve years, also, Jupiter perfects his course, and the Moon daily runs through twelve degrees. There are, also, twelve chief joints in the body of man, in hands, elbows, shoulders, thighs, knees, and vertebra of the feet. There is, also, a great power of the number twelve in divine mysteries.

OF THE NUMBER NINE, AND THE SCALE

THERE are nine orders of blessed angels, viz. Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominations, Powers, Virtues, Principalities, Archangels, and Angels, which Ezekiel figures out by nine stones, which are the sapphire, emerald, carbuncle, beryl, onyx, chrysolite, jasper, topaz, and sardis. This number hath also a great and occult mystery of the cross; for the ninth hour our Lord Jesus Christ breathed out his spirit. The astrologers also take notice of the number nine in the ages of men, no otherwise than they do of seven, which they call climacterical years, which are eminent for some remarkable change. Yet sometimes it signifies imperfectness and incompleteness, because it does not attain to the perfection of the number ten, but is less by one, without which it is deficient, as Austin interprets it of the ten lepers. Neither is the longitude of nine cubits of Og, King of Basan, who is a type of the devil without a mystery.

[marpat]

I cant see why people who go on about the value of personal freedom and privacy think that a private group is somehow bad or wrong. These conspiracy theorists moan if they feel their privacy is violated but they think its ok to attack the privacy of a group.

The truth is that all of these anti-masonic themes have their origins in the church, who try to find any sort of flaw or fault or just misunderstood point to scare people away from freemasonry and back to the church.

[psquared]

I suppose thats why conversations with masons on here go around in circles without you ever really divulging anything, no wonder people are suspicious,

especially with everything that is going on.



Or...it goes around in circles because when we tell you the truth it is written off as lie. Trust me, I am as pissed off at the state of the world, and more especially my nation, as anyone.

As to the secrets of the Modes of Recognition...why do people feel the need to know them whop are not Masons? I live in a town that has a Major University...there are twenty or more Fraternities/Sororities. Their modes of recognition are secret to their own brothers and sisters. Personally, I don't know them, don't care what they are, don't care to find out. What's the big deal?

[edelweiss pirate]

As to the secrets of the Modes of Recognition...why do people feel the need to know them whop are not Masons? I live in a town that has a Major University...there are twenty or more Fraternities/Sororities. Their modes of recognition are secret to their own brothers and sisters. Personally, I don't know them, don't care what they are, don't care to find out. What's the big deal?

You're compartmentalised you nitwit!

Fancy joining the funny handshake brigade then finding out that you still don't know anything...


http://b.imagehost.org/0962/monkey-slap.jpg (http://b.imagehost.org/view/0962/monkey-slap)

You got monkey slapped!

[psquared]

You're compartmentalised you nitwit!

Fancy joining the funny handshake brigade then finding out that you still don't know anything...


http://b.imagehost.org/0962/monkey-slap.jpg (http://b.imagehost.org/view/0962/monkey-slap)

You got monkey slapped!Your opinion is noted. "Monkey slapping" me from the comfort of your chair a few thousand miles away is about as close as your personal bravery takes it or would get Edelweiss...and you are wise to remain seated there.

Your opinion is noted. Someday it will dawn on you that your opinion of me only reaffirms my beliefs and belief system. You make me stronger my friend, and for that I thank you. Peace.

[psquared]

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8031/circleoftrust.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/circleoftrust.jpg/)

Thats the big deal.OK.

[marpat]

You're compartmentalised you nitwit!

Fancy joining the funny handshake brigade then finding out that you still don't know anything...


http://b.imagehost.org/0962/monkey-slap.jpg (http://b.imagehost.org/view/0962/monkey-slap)

You got monkey slapped!

Thought good christians were not allowed to bear false witness

[lightgiver]

I cant see why people who go on about the value of personal freedom and privacy think that a private group is somehow bad or wrong. These conspiracy theorists moan if they feel their privacy is violated but they think its ok to attack the privacy of a group.

The truth is that all of these anti-masonic themes have their origins in the church, who try to find any sort of flaw or fault or just misunderstood point to scare people away from freemasonry and back to the church.

Oh yes blame the Christians marpat like you always do,who the hell invented the church and religion,

Ancient Egypt [The Early Days]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xyhMeKBLy0

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5194/greendragonelectionnigh.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/greendragonelectionnigh.jpg/)


Post 80
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140585&page=8[/QUOTE]

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2170/barackobamathefrenchsun.jpg (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/barackobamathefrenchsun.jpg/)

same shit different asshole

gold old ALA BAMA

[psquared]

well the Masons so called founded your nation,

and even thats been lied about as well :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKefSTum8eo

Who discovered America 400 years before Columbus did?(excluding ETs)

http://www.kiroastro.com/images/equipment/newfoundland/longship.jpg

The authors Robert Lomas and Christopher Knight believe some carvings to be ears of new world corn or maize in the chapel. This crop was unknown in Europe at the time of the chapel's construction, and was not cultivated there until several hundred years later. Knight and Lomas view these carvings as evidence supporting the idea that Henry I Sinclair, Earl of Orkney, travelled to the Americas well before Columbus. Mediaeval scholars interpret these carvings as stylised depictions of wheat, strawberries or lilies.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_udPz9IqHu6U/SBD9Uo1lFDI/AAAAAAAAAKc/_P1I0Q1baY4/s400/indiancornI.jpg

http://altnews.blogdig.net/archives/articles/May2008/05/_MAYAN_CONNECTION_TO_ROSSLYN_CHAPEL_.html



ʾĒl (written aleph-lamed, i.e. אל, ����, ���� etc.) is the Northwest Semitic word for "deity", cognate to Akkadian ilum.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9342/svseal.gif (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/svseal.gif/)


In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, Eli or Il was the supreme god, the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the goddess Asherah as recorded in the clay tablets of Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra, Syria).

The word El was found at the top of a list of gods as the Ancient of gods or the Father of all gods, in the ruins of the royal archive of the Ebla civilization, in the archaeological site of Tell Mardikh in Syria dated to 2300 BC.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6296/ruinas1cw8.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/i/ruinas1cw8.jpg/)


El (deity), a Semitic word for "God" also a senior god mentioned in the Ugarit and Ebla texts found in ancient Syria.
El (Cyrillic), a letter of the Cyrillic alphabet
El (letter), the letter L

Egyptian hieroglyph
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_S39.png

Greek Lambda
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Lambda_uc_lc.svg/800px-Lambda_uc_lc.svg.png

I know some of the men who "founded" this nation were Freemasons, but not all. As for who got to North America First...that has been a long held debate. I do not believe Columbus was first, but History reads that way and history is written by those who control it after all isn't it?

If I am correct, not all of the founders of The United States (which is a far cry from those who "found" North America were masons. Input as to the founding and framing of the original colonies had input from both Masons and Non Masons alike. John Adams was a founding father, and President, not a Mason. If Masons controlled it all...how did he get in office?

[marpat]

Oh yes blame the Christians marpat like you always do,who the hell invented the church and religion,


You believe you are a researcher (though I will never understand how you came to this conclusion) so why dont you research the origins of anti-freemasonry? perhaps you are afraid of the facts, unable to accept truth at face value.

If you believe freemasons created the church and religion then you are truly deluded. Freemasonry draws from those traditions but is not the root of them.

[verndewd]

so if a master mason baits you? you have been master baited?

[verndewd]

well the Masons so called founded your nation,

and even thats been lied about as well :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKefSTum8eo

Who discovered America 400 years before Columbus did?(excluding ETs)

http://www.kiroastro.com/images/equipment/newfoundland/longship.jpg

The authors Robert Lomas and Christopher Knight believe some carvings to be ears of new world corn or maize in the chapel. This crop was unknown in Europe at the time of the chapel's construction, and was not cultivated there until several hundred years later. Knight and Lomas view these carvings as evidence supporting the idea that Henry I Sinclair, Earl of Orkney, travelled to the Americas well before Columbus. Mediaeval scholars interpret these carvings as stylised depictions of wheat, strawberries or lilies.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_udPz9IqHu6U/SBD9Uo1lFDI/AAAAAAAAAKc/_P1I0Q1baY4/s400/indiancornI.jpg

http://altnews.blogdig.net/archives/articles/May2008/05/_MAYAN_CONNECTION_TO_ROSSLYN_CHAPEL_.html



ʾĒl (written aleph-lamed, i.e. אל, ����, ���� etc.) is the Northwest Semitic word for "deity", cognate to Akkadian ilum.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9342/svseal.gif (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/svseal.gif/)


In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, Eli or Il was the supreme god, the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the goddess Asherah as recorded in the clay tablets of Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra, Syria).

The word El was found at the top of a list of gods as the Ancient of gods or the Father of all gods, in the ruins of the royal archive of the Ebla civilization, in the archaeological site of Tell Mardikh in Syria dated to 2300 BC.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6296/ruinas1cw8.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/i/ruinas1cw8.jpg/)


El (deity), a Semitic word for "God" also a senior god mentioned in the Ugarit and Ebla texts found in ancient Syria.
El (Cyrillic), a letter of the Cyrillic alphabet
El (letter), the letter L

Egyptian hieroglyph
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_S39.png

Greek Lambda
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Lambda_uc_lc.svg/800px-Lambda_uc_lc.svg.png

el was canaanite before it was semitic.

[lightgiver]

el was canaanite before it was semitic.

How do you know?

The state seal of Utah dominated by the beehive,the ancient symbol of the Merovingian bloodline that created the Mormon 'Church'

LDS and RLDS have been Descendents of the Merovingian Dynasty

The Houses of Hapsburg-Lorraine (whose titles are dukes of Lorraine and Kings of Jerusalem), Plantard, Luxembourg, Montpezat, Montesquiou, among many others including the Freeman family, and hundreds of others. Be Wise As Serpents revealed for the first time how all the heads (presidents) of the LDS and RLDS have been descendants of the Merovingian dynasty, and they and the Masons have both used the Merovingian symbol, the bee.

A door knob on an entrance to the Mormon temple in Salt Lake City, UT.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3324045147_cbc33de98f.jpg

Deseret is a term derived from the Book of Mormon, a scripture of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and other Latter Day Saint groups. According to the Book of Mormon, "deseret" meant "honeybee" in the language of the Jaredites, a group believed by Mormons to have been led to the Americas during the time of the construction of the Tower of Babel (see Ether 2:3). The word Deshret was used by Ancient Egyptians, in addition to meaning "Red Land," to mean "honeybee

http://www.freemasoninformation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Exploring_the_Connection_between_Mormons_and_Mason s.jpg

The Book of Enoch says that those born of the Nefilim blood (the reptile-human hybrids) are, because of their ancestral spirit, destined to "afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle and work destruction on the earth"." In other words, those bodies can be possessed by their 'ancestral spirit' - the reptilians of the lower fourth dimension In the United States there is an organisation called the Sons of Jared, named: after the father of Enoch. They pledge an 'implacable war' against the descendants of the Watchers who "as notorious pharaohs, kings,and dictators, have throughout history dominated mankind". In their publication, the Jaredite Advocate, they condemn the Watchers as "like super-gangsters, a celestial Mafia ruling the world"."


Sego lily

The flower was chosen as the state flower of Utah due to its importance in pioneering times and its "natural beauty". It was formally adopted on March 18, 1911

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Sego_lily_cm.jpg/563px-Sego_lily_cm.jpg

The bulbs of this and other Calochortus species were roasted, boiled or made into a porridge by Native Americans and were also used as a food source by the Mormon pioneers in Utah.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5973/491pxsealofutahsvg.png (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/491pxsealofutahsvg.png/)

Legend says that Merovee, the founder of the Merovingians, who died in 458 AD, was seeded by a reptile and this bloodline is related to every royal family in Europe and a stream of others in positions of influence and control. The founding names of the Mormon Church, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were both Merovingian bloodline and that's why the Mormon-controlled state of Utah has a beehive at the centre of its seal .

The bee or beehive is an ancient symbol of the Merovingian bloodline, as is the fleur-de lis

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1995/ancientfleurdeliscopy.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/ancientfleurdeliscopy.jpg/)

so beloved of British Merovingian royalty. The hive is the symbol of the queen bee, the Illuminati reptilian goddess at the heart of their symbolism, and it also relates to the 'hive' mentality of the Reptilians that they have been seeking to transfer to humans. The Greek deity Zeus was depicted as an eagle (phoenix?) and a serpent to whom offerings of honey were made and this is a possible connection to the Merovingian bee symbol.

http://andrewgough.co.uk/bux17.jpg

The themes of the serpent and honey can be linked to the 'Tribe of Dan', which is claimed to be one of the ten lost tribes of Israel. But are they really lost or did they never exist in the form portrayed by Levite 'history'?

http://www.britam.org/picturesYair/vikingship.jpg

The ancient Order of the Dragon began in Egypt and expanded through the period of the Hyksos kings whose symbol was the snake.

http://www.britam.org/picturesYair/snake2.jpg

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8169/00097550medium.jpg (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/00097550medium.jpg/)



http://www.robertsewell.ca/merovech.html

[lightgiver]

so if a master mason baits you? you have been master baited?

Funny you should mention that :o

The Great Pyramid of Giza (also called the Pyramid of Khufu and the Pyramid of Cheops)cyclops.

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2791/largethegreategypt.jpg (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/largethegreategypt.jpg/)

Giza Plateau small pyramids

http://www.andrew-rabatin.net/INTERNATIONAL-TRAVEL-PHOTOS/EGYPT-AND-JORDAN/1-Egypt-Cairo/DSC0251/493308026_zKpxH-S-1.jpg

In gnosticism, Seth is seen as a replacement given by God for Abel, whom Cain had slain. It is said that late in life, Adam gave Seth secret teachings that would become the kabbalah. The Zohar refers to Seth as "ancestor of all the generations of the tzaddikim" (Hebrew: righteous ones)

In the Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus refers to Seth as virtuous and of excellent character, and reports that his descendants invented the wisdom of the heavenly bodies, and built the "pillars of the sons of Seth", two pillars inscribed with many scientific discoveries and inventions, notably in astronomy. They were built by Seth's descendants based on Adam's prediction that the world would be destroyed at one time by fire and another time by global flood, in order to protect the discoveries and be remembered after the destruction. One was composed of brick, and the other of stone, so that if the pillar of brick should be destroyed, the pillar of stone would remain, both reporting the ancient discoveries, and informing men that a pillar of brick was also erected.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1733/613pxgizapyramidcomplex.png (http://img87.imageshack.us/i/613pxgizapyramidcomplex.png/)


A mastaba.... is a type of Ancient Egyptian tomb in the form of a flat-roofed, rectangular structure with outward sloping sides that marked the burial site of many eminent Egyptians of Egypt's ancient period.

The masculine penis is the end of the whole body, and it is called the 'foundation'."
- - HADRA ZVTA QDIShA (Lesser Holy Assembly) 740

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastaba

http://intranet.arc.miami.edu/rjohn/Egypt%202009.htm

[lightgiver]

You believe you are a researcher (though I will never understand how you came to this conclusion) so why dont you research the origins of anti-freemasonry? perhaps you are afraid of the facts, unable to accept truth at face value.

If you believe freemasons created the church and religion then you are truly deluded. Freemasonry draws from those traditions but is not the root of them.

You know my views,I have never stated freemasonry created the church and religion,the church actually draws its traditions from the same ones as freemasonry,

So enlighten us all then marpat where does the church and freemasonry draw its traditions from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xyhMeKBLy0

:D

[beastcop156]

Complete and utter non sense

there are plenty pro mason videos too :rolleyes:

whats up,do you not like the light shining on your darkness :p



Enter Sandman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QP-SIW6iKYIf I was you I would sleep with 1 eye open/


Lightgiver, I was basically joking around. You, of course, know this. I don't 'stalk' people. To me that is totally uncool.
Thanks for the video though. Metallica ROCKS
Wish I was at that show. ;)

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p113/prbrotha/eye.jpg

Have a nice day/night.

[sofa king]

so if a master mason baits you? You have been master baited?



lol

:d

[marpat]

You know my views,I have never stated freemasonry created the church and religion,the church actually draws its traditions from the same ones as freemasonry,

So enlighten us all then marpat where does the church and freemasonry draw its traditions from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xyhMeKBLy0

:D

oh no, not another youtube video. Freemasonry derives from many ancient spiritual and phiosophical systems. To some degree the church has taken traditions from ancient cultures and christianised them, so in this respect they could have a common heritage. The problem is how such teachings are used. In the churches case it is to demonise everybody else that does not follow jesus, whereas freemasonry has a far more enlightened attitude towards the religious beliefs of others. To masons the message is more important than who delivers it, which obviously pisses the church off if they accept anything other than jesus, hence the origins of anti-freemasonry.

[lightgiver]

oh no, not another youtube video. Freemasonry derives from many ancient spiritual and phiosophical systems. To some degree the church has taken traditions from ancient cultures and christianised them, so in this respect they could have a common heritage. The problem is how such teachings are used. In the churches case it is to demonise everybody else that does not follow jesus, whereas freemasonry has a far more enlightened attitude towards the religious beliefs of others. To masons the message is more important than who delivers it, which obviously pisses the church off if they accept anything other than jesus, hence the origins of anti-freemasonry.

What do you mean O another U tube video :rolleyes:

You have obviously not watched or heard it.

Where do those ancient spiritual and philosophical systems originate from marpat?

It is up to people what they want to believe and follow and if no one is being hurt I do not see the problem,if the path they choose is a good one then at least they are on the right track.

You just have hang ups about christians and anyone who does not adhere to your way of thinking.

Lightgiver, I was basically joking around. You, of course, know this. I don't 'stalk' people. To me that is totally uncool.
Thanks for the video though. Metallica ROCKS
Wish I was at that show. ;)

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p113/prbrotha/eye.jpg

Have a nice day/night.


Nice eye :cool:;)

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1344/amun5.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/amun5.jpg/)

Amen.

[marpat]

What do you mean O another U tube video :rolleyes:

You have obviously not watched or heard it.

Where do those ancient spiritual and philosophical systems originate from marpat?

It is up to people what they want to believe and follow and if no one is being hurt I do not see the problem,if the path they choose is a good one then at least they are on the right track.

You just have hang ups about christians and anyone who does not adhere to your way of thinking.

Well you do post a lot of stuff which is pointless, to the degree when watching vids is just not going to happen.

If we all should do what we believe as long as nobody is hurt then why do people in here constantly attack freemason, witches, wiccans, etc. when they are not hurting people?

What bothers me about christianity is the bigottry of its members, the blindness and oppressive attitude of the church regarding anything outside of its boundaries. If christians went about their business, worshipping in their own way while having enough respect to allow others to do likewise then I would have no issue. You only have to follow the forum to see countless examples of them coming in here judging everybody for having beliefs outside of christianity, condeming people who know better, etc. Dont forget that historically christians have been responsible for many disgusting things, such as the inquisition, so dont try and paint them in a whiter than white light. There are some now who would be happy to burn those who oppose them.

I would say that the origins of those systems is going to be well before written history, when humans started to consciously interact with their environment, noticing relationships between various factors, etc. I guess it is convenient for people to say its the annunaki and then act as if this is fact rather than a speculation.

[marpat]

Hey fake military men why dont you do some service in the military instead of on here

nothing I post is pointless,you have not even watched the video :rolleyes:

it is pointless you being around here with your poison propaganda that you post and very little info,you just like to abuse fellow forum members and how you get away with is beyond me.

it appears you know very little about esoteric matters

go and do one to Afghanistan if you have the courage :rolleyes:

Hey mate I take a look around at what is going on and people in high places are up to no good and you are here defending their evil

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2412/13580465114d06b9c517.jpg (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/13580465114d06b9c517.jpg/)

THE number Eleven, as it exceeds number ten, which is the number of the commandments, so it falls short of the number Twelve, which is of grace and perfection; therefore it is called the number of sins, and the penitent.Now the number twelve is divine, and that whereby the celestials are measured; it is, also, the number of signs in the Zodiac, over which there are twelve angels as chief, supported by the irrigation of the great name of God. In twelve years, also, Jupiter perfects his course, and the Moon daily runs through twelve degrees. There are, also, twelve chief joints in the body of man, in hands, elbows, shoulders, thighs, knees, and vertebra of the feet. There is, also, a great power of the number twelve in divine mysteries.

OF THE NUMBER NINE, AND THE SCALE

THERE are nine orders of blessed angels, viz. Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominations, Powers, Virtues, Principalities, Archangels, and Angels, which Ezekiel figures out by nine stones, which are the sapphire, emerald, carbuncle, beryl, onyx, chrysolite, jasper, topaz, and sardis. This number hath also a great and occult mystery of the cross; for the ninth hour our Lord Jesus Christ breathed out his spirit. The astrologers also take notice of the number nine in the ages of men, no otherwise than they do of seven, which they call climacterical years, which are eminent for some remarkable change. Yet sometimes it signifies imperfectness and incompleteness, because it does not attain to the perfection of the number ten, but is less by one, without which it is deficient, as Austin interprets it of the ten lepers. Neither is the longitude of nine cubits of Og, King of Basan, who is a type of the devil without a mystery.

PS, I am gay and I love you



Wow, you been smoking weed again as you seem to have gone into a freaky overdrive

I guess you cant handle people having an opinion after all

[theramblingpoet]

lol

:d

That was extemely witty ILMAO

[theramblingpoet]

How do any of you know whether or not some are freebasins ooops I mean free masons? tehehahaha

[psquared]

How do any of you know whether or not some are freebasins ooops I mean free masons? tehehahaha
We know. Those are the "secrets"...the modes of recognition. Other than that...not any "secrets" as most believe.

[marpat]

May all beings be free from suffering,especially you :)

lol, I see the kick boxing boddhisattva is back

[lightgiver]

lol, I see the kick boxing boddhisattva is back

Back from where exactly :confused:

Have you been on the Moroccan again.

http://www.onlinepot.org/hash/_derived/guide2hash.htm_txt_MorocconCaramelloHash.gif

Maybe that's where your military fantasy's come from LOL

[lightgiver]

The Hashshashin (Arabic: حشّاشين‎ Ḥashāshīn, also Hashishin, Hashashiyyin, or Assassins) was a pejorative name given to the Nizari Ismailis, particularly those of Syria and Persia, by their adversaries during the Middle Ages. Preserved within European sources, such as the writings of Marco Polo, the term was used deprecatorily to describe the Nizaris as trained killers, responsible for the systematic elimination of opposing figures. Posing a strong military threat to Sunni Saljuq authority within the Persian territories, the Nizari Ismailis captured and inhabited many mountain fortresses under the leadership of the persian Hassan-i Sabbah. Used figuratively, the term hashish connoted meanings such as "outcast" or "rabble".[Daftary Taken literally, however, various orientalist scholars came to view the Nizaris as having consumed hashish before carrying out political killings.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Ismail_lion_7.png

The origins of the Hashshashin, or Assassins, trace back to just before the First Crusade around 1080. It is difficult to find out much information about the origins of the Hashshashin because most early sources are either written by enemies of the cult or based on legends. Most sources dealing with the order’s inner working were destroyed with the capture of Alamut, the Assassin’s headquarters. However, it’s possible to trace the beginnings of the cult back to its first Grandmaster, Hasan-i Sabbah.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/IslamSymbolAllahComp.PNG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_P-QYYxO0PzI/RdCpNpzOEAI/AAAAAAAAAHE/HQdNyrZSgNw/s320/AMOK.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Sha%27ban

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_(letter)

[sofa king]

How do any of you know whether or not some are freebasins ooops I mean free masons? tehehahaha


freebasins don't ask for you to leave a dime on the counter. Paybasins do.

[edelweiss pirate]

The Hashshashin (Arabic: حشّاشين‎ Ḥashāshīn, also Hashishin, Hashashiyyin, or Assassins) was a pejorative name given to the Nizari Ismailis, particularly those of Syria and Persia, by their adversaries during the Middle Ages. Preserved within European sources, such as the writings of Marco Polo, the term was used deprecatorily to describe the Nizaris as trained killers, responsible for the systematic elimination of opposing figures. Posing a strong military threat to Sunni Saljuq authority within the Persian territories, the Nizari Ismailis captured and inhabited many mountain fortresses under the leadership of the persian Hassan-i Sabbah. Used figuratively, the term hashish connoted meanings such as "outcast" or "rabble".[Daftary Taken literally, however, various orientalist scholars came to view the Nizaris as having consumed hashish before carrying out political killings.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Ismail_lion_7.png

The origins of the Hashshashin, or Assassins, trace back to just before the First Crusade around 1080. It is difficult to find out much information about the origins of the Hashshashin because most early sources are either written by enemies of the cult or based on legends. Most sources dealing with the order’s inner working were destroyed with the capture of Alamut, the Assassin’s headquarters. However, it’s possible to trace the beginnings of the cult back to its first Grandmaster, Hasan-i Sabbah.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/IslamSymbolAllahComp.PNG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_P-QYYxO0PzI/RdCpNpzOEAI/AAAAAAAAAHE/HQdNyrZSgNw/s320/AMOK.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Sha%27ban

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_(letter)

I've written a short story about them if you're interested, just click the link in my sig bellow entitled 'Short Stories'. It's called Assassins.

[chris_morganti]

I am surprised that freemasons even bother to post here.

I am glad they do, good to hear their side of things considering they are actually involved in Freemasonry and have an inside look at things.

Do I trust everything that every freemason has said on here as honest? No.

Am I paranoid about any of the freemasons on this forum? No.

Let's just say that there were some freemasons on here that are being deceptive and are actively working towards the New World Order.

Do you honestly think they would consider this place a threat?

I bet some of the freemasons on here meet up for beers and have a good laugh at what a joke most of this forum is.

[marpat]

Obviously you do not see the bigger picture and if the forum is a joke why are you here :confused:

Oh yeah you are here just to state the forum is a joke,but you like to post here all the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by6pvCEbJkY

Here for you and marpat.

The big picture? I cant see it for all the shit you post in here. Maybe you should stick to the subjects rather than going off on a youtube voyage.

[beastcop156]

The Hashshashin (Arabic: حشّاشين‎ Ḥashāshīn, also Hashishin, Hashashiyyin, or Assassins) was a pejorative name given to the Nizari Ismailis, particularly those of Syria and Persia, by their adversaries during the Middle Ages. Preserved within European sources, such as the writings of Marco Polo, the term was used deprecatorily to describe the Nizaris as trained killers, responsible for the systematic elimination of opposing figures. Posing a strong military threat to Sunni Saljuq authority within the Persian territories, the Nizari Ismailis captured and inhabited many mountain fortresses under the leadership of the persian Hassan-i Sabbah. Used figuratively, the term hashish connoted meanings such as "outcast" or "rabble".[Daftary Taken literally, however, various orientalist scholars came to view the Nizaris as having consumed hashish before carrying out political killings.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Ismail_lion_7.png
The origins of the Hashshashin, or Assassins, trace back to just before the First Crusade around 1080. It is difficult to find out much information about the origins of the Hashshashin because most early sources are either written by enemies of the cult or based on legends. Most sources dealing with the order’s inner working were destroyed with the capture of Alamut, the Assassin’s headquarters. However, it’s possible to trace the beginnings of the cult back to its first Grandmaster, Hasan-i Sabbah.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/IslamSymbolAllahComp.PNG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_P-QYYxO0PzI/RdCpNpzOEAI/AAAAAAAAAHE/HQdNyrZSgNw/s320/AMOK.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashshashin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Sha%27ban

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_(letter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_%28letter))

So is it safe for me to assume you are for the War on Drugs?
Regan was a great president to you? Many people think he was our Savior.

Guess what I think? :p

[lightgiver]

The big picture? I cant see it for all the shit you post in here. Maybe you should stick to the subjects rather than going off on a youtube voyage.

May all beings be free from suffering ,especially you :)

So is it safe for me to assume you are for the War on Drugs?
Regan was a great president to you? Many people think he was our Savior.

Guess what I think? :p


war on drugs,is that a joke or something.

The CIA

America's Premier International Terrorist Organization
(But with strong competition from Pentagon Special Ops)

Alongside and underneath these visible structures is a veritable menagerie of secret planning cabals and "operational units" that try to put the contending strategies of different power centers of capital into effect. This is, broadly speaking, the principal charge of the CIA, the biggest snake in the pit. The "Agency" is precisely that; it is the active force that puts the plans and schemes of the most powerful Wall Street, armaments and oil interests into operation. Within the CIA the lines between the state and private, corporate power are totally blurred;

— Max Kollskeg: 9/11 In Context: Plans and Counterplans

http://www.serendipity.li/cia.html

[marpat]

May all beings be free from suffering ,especially you :)




war on drugs,is that a joke or something.

The CIA

America's Premier International Terrorist Organization
(But with strong competition from Pentagon Special Ops)

Alongside and underneath these visible structures is a veritable menagerie of secret planning cabals and "operational units" that try to put the contending strategies of different power centers of capital into effect. This is, broadly speaking, the principal charge of the CIA, the biggest snake in the pit. The "Agency" is precisely that; it is the active force that puts the plans and schemes of the most powerful Wall Street, armaments and oil interests into operation. Within the CIA the lines between the state and private, corporate power are totally blurred;

— Max Kollskeg: 9/11 In Context: Plans and Counterplans

http://www.serendipity.li/cia.html

And this has something to do with the thread or are you giving us something off the cuff?

Hows the rubber cell coming along?

[ambigram]

When interacting with the so called masons here??

Do not be tempted to divulge any personnel information peeps IE names areas ETC,they will try and bait you in,

Be Wary

They hide you must do the same,their names could be false and their avatars also,tread with caution i repeat tread with caution.

These forces are everywhere,they play very cunning games.

Unless YOU know them personally just be careful also with PMs.

It could be anyone for all you know.

That first bit of advice would go for anyone on this or any other forum not just Masons.

[beastcop156]

Back from where exactly :confused:

Have you been on the Moroccan again.

http://www.onlinepot.org/hash/_derived/guide2hash.htm_txt_MorocconCaramelloHash.gifMaybe that's where your military fantasy's come from LOL


Lightgiver, this is where I assumed you were mocking anyone who uses or needs medicine that our earth, our Mother gives us for free that has been stolen from people due to a war against us as free beings.

People will wake up and all this will ease as soon as we stop being so frightened and give that light to others who are under the illusion we are free. I believe in the spirit of humans and the desire for people to want to do the right things. It is an amazing feeling helping and giving.

What people need to understand and realize is there is a mistake and those ones who are good people in power are really trying to solve this issue but it will take time to awaken people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_incarceration_timeline-clean.svg

Most thinking people are aware the issue is in dire need of reform and we are in trouble. Time to fight for freedom now.

Hey you know, music can have REAL messages that can break through to our youth and help them understand and also avoid jail and deal with police who are not always the enemy. Many are good people who went into the job to HELP. It is the bad ones who are giving all those who want to protect us the terrible name. That is how many abuses in jails and prisons make it out. The good guys are not scared to do the right thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAJi-W9o7uUI don't need any information about the evil workings of those who in reality harmed our nation and themselves. They may not be aware yet but they will be so full of guilt that I would feel sorry for them if they could face the man in the mirror.

[lightgiver]

Lightgiver, this is where I assumed you were mocking anyone who uses or needs medicine that our earth, our Mother gives us for free that has been stolen from people due to a war against us as free beings.



Well you assumed wrong :)

But I am afraid that soap bar shit is exactly that full of shit

Stick with the green.

Soapbar - Just Say No to polluted hash

"The most unpure Cannabis is called 'soap bar'. It's contaminated with all sorts of things. This makes it cheaper but it's a false economy really as it is often harder to get stoned. Some users hate it so much they object to smoking it."

http://www.ukcia.org/activism/soapbar.php

Hey maybe that's why Britain is flooded with this shit from the Queen of Holland,cant have the people of the UK on the good stuff,it maybe to good for their brain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCC1puOWa3k

[beastcop156]

Well you assumed wrong :)

But I am afraid that soap bar shit is exactly that full of shit

Stick with the green.

Soapbar - Just Say No to polluted hash

"The most unpure Cannabis is called 'soap bar'. It's contaminated with all sorts of things. This makes it cheaper but it's a false economy really as it is often harder to get stoned. Some users hate it so much they object to smoking it."

http://www.ukcia.org/activism/soapbar.php

Hey maybe that's why Britain is flooded with this shit from the Queen of Holland,cant have the people of the UK on the good stuff,it maybe to good for their brain.


My bad then. Peace.

I never used the stuff or have even seen it in real life.
I'm really sorry it is in your country and not the good stuff that those in power receive anytime they want.

My goal is to try and help people SEE what they are doing and fight so the GOOD people can have an easier go at freeing our planet, wildlife and our precious human beings from the idiots who know not what they do but think they do. They have no clue what they are doing to their own children or their selves. Karma is going to get the bas*ards anyway but I hope they will awaken before it is too late.

[lightgiver]

My bad then. Peace.

I never used the stuff or have even seen it in real life.
I'm really sorry it is in your country and not the good stuff that those in power receive anytime they want.

My goal is to try and help people SEE what they are doing and fight so the GOOD people can have an easier go at freeing our planet, wildlife and our precious human beings from the idiots who know not what they do but think they do. They have no clue what they are doing to their own children or their selves. Karma is going to get the bas*ards anyway but I hope they will awaken before it is too late.

Karma?

It appears the ones who create the mess seem to be exempt.

Maybe they know a way around it

hey maybe they even know how to incarnate back into this realm,so they can carry on leading people down the wrong path.

[stewart edwards]

hey maybe they even know how to incarnate back into this realm,so they can carry on leading people down the wrong path.That bit is easy, just keep screwing up/not learning your lessons, for life will keep giving you the chance to do so. However if you happen to be a multimillionaire crime boss in this life, in the next one you could be a man in poverty in deepest somewhere, for the lessons you need to learn could equally be learnt in that environment, and there are only a limited number of places for multi millionaire crime bosses. Could be a high price to pay for someone who enjoys "the good life". Besides which who knows, a bad person may not have the "right" to reincarnate back in human form, perhaps having to make do as a daisy:) until they learn their lessons. [no offense to daisies].

[lightgiver]

That bit is easy, just keep screwing up/not learning your lessons, for life will keep giving you the chance to do so. However if you happen to be a multimillionaire crime boss in this life, in the next one you could be a man in poverty in deepest somewhere, for the lessons you need to learn could equally be learnt in that environment, and there are only a limited number of places for multi millionaire crime bosses. Could be a high price to pay for someone who enjoys "the good life". Besides which who knows, a bad person may not have the "right" to reincarnate back in human form, perhaps having to make do as a daisy:) until they learn their lessons. [no offense to daisies].

It looks like to me the elite evil ones are exempt from it.

Like I say maybe they know a way around it seeing they keep all the secrets from humanity,like they have done for thousands of years.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8629/orginofsecretsocieties.gif (http://img229.imageshack.us/i/orginofsecretsocieties.gif/)

The world is one big stage. Monarchs, religious and political leaders are the actors (the best actors). And our history, present, and future is a sad psychological horror story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ETF5_TDss

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43860

[stewart edwards]

It looks like to me the elite evil ones are exempt from it.I doubt it. But then again I doubt that there are that many truly evil elites out there. Most people do try their best to "do the right thing", but that "right thing" can get clouded by nationality/fraternal membership/company loyalty (all good things in themselves)//fear/lack of appreciation of the law of unintended consequences/greed/etc. Once you raise the level of human consciousness so that people understand such issues better, the "elites" willmake more informed and better decsions. And the good news is that this is happening naturally. It is just a slow process as people are time poor just now and fractured as a result (wonder if there is any coincidence there:rolleyes:)

Like I say maybe they know a way around it seeing they keep all the secrets from humanity,like they have done for thousands of years.The "secrets" are far from hidden lightgiver. Just walk into a bookshop and look at the shelves. Look at what many of the posters here, me included, have been writing about for years. I can assure you Lightgiver, without any hesitation of doubt, that all of the secrets of life are available to each and every one of us. You dont need to be an "elite" to access them, you just need a true heart, and the will power to better yourself. Why else do you think that some masons seem to think that I would make a good leader in the masonic world - for I did it the hard way. It certyainly isnt for my chissled good looks.:D Remember also that it is the opinion of some masons that I know more about the secrets of freemasonry than many with dark blue grand rank. Clearly I have no idea if this is true, but some masons seem to think that it is. So unless I am an "elite" and simply dont know it, the most rational explanation is that you dont have to be an elite to gain access to the ancient mysteries/secrets. And quite frankly Lightgiver if I can do it anyone can. All you need is a true heart and the will to do it.

[beastcop156]

Karma?

It appears the ones who create the mess seem to be exempt.

Maybe they know a way around it

hey maybe they even know how to incarnate back into this realm,so they can carry on leading people down the wrong path.

I'm going to respond Lightgiver but I'm enjoying a video right now.

Ever meditate?
http://www.youtube.com/user/BuddhistSocietyWA#p/u/100/sxK7iqG2XQA

You can at least listen to Dhamma talks but try raja yoga and maybe you will find some answers to your questions.

BTW, no person has to change "religions" to listen to the talks or teachings of the Master Buddha.

Back to my video!!

[lightgiver]

I'm going to respond Lightgiver but I'm enjoying a video right now.

Ever meditate?
http://www.youtube.com/user/BuddhistSocietyWA#p/u/100/sxK7iqG2XQA

You can at least listen to Dhamma talks but try raja yoga and maybe you will find some answers to your questions.

BTW, no person has to change "religions" to listen to the talks or teachings of the Master Buddha.

Back to my video!!

Pity there is no such thing as instant karma

I have done it all ,nothing zero zilch,

I now do just a little bit of hatha yoga,if I can find the time.

I am coming to the conclusion Karma is bollocks.

I have been to Dharma centres,I see lots of egos in there,how many empowerment's have you had etc etc :rolleyes:( sorry if I upset any dharma centre residents,dont want to cause any schisms or anything but its just what I have experienced).........must be mi karma.

oh and you can only go in if you have enough money :rolleyes:

A mystery religion is any religion with an arcanum, or secret wisdom. In a mystery religion, an inner core of beliefs, practices, and the religion's true nature, are revealed only to those who have been initiated into its secrets.............(if you have enough money)



I will just take the try and be good path.

Crikey 5 I,s in that

[elysiansix]

Well you do post a lot of stuff which is pointless, to the degree when watching vids is just not going to happen.

If we all should do what we believe as long as nobody is hurt then why do people in here constantly attack freemason, witches, wiccans, etc. when they are not hurting people?

What bothers me about christianity is the bigottry of its members, the blindness and oppressive attitude of the church regarding anything outside of its boundaries. If christians went about their business, worshipping in their own way while having enough respect to allow others to do likewise then I would have no issue. You only have to follow the forum to see countless examples of them coming in here judging everybody for having beliefs outside of christianity, condeming people who know better, etc. Dont forget that historically christians have been responsible for many disgusting things, such as the inquisition, so dont try and paint them in a whiter than white light. There are some now who would be happy to burn those who oppose them.

I would say that the origins of those systems is going to be well before written history, when humans started to consciously interact with their environment, noticing relationships between various factors, etc. I guess it is convenient for people to say its the annunaki and then act as if this is fact rather than a speculation.

Wake up Matey !!!!!
Religions especially Catholicsm was created by the Rosicrucians/Illuminati aka Zionists-Franks so that all people would latently worship the Zionist Messiah whether they were Pagans, Goths, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists - ANY RELIGIONS at all and even agnostics such as Humanists.
The symbolism of the Bible and the symbolism of Freemasonry (chequered boards, pillars, fishes, crooks, virgins) all use Mythology and Sacred Geometry to promote the idea of Jews (the Elohim) being superior to everyone else. It's even written about in the Book of Genesis for God's sake - all humans being kept in 'pens' and segregated/filled with fear. Then the Elohim (aka Jews of Hollywood/fame) being entitled to pick and choose any stupid goy they lay their eyes on, who they can f*ck, either cos they got big tits or lots of spiritual symbolism and intelligence!!!.

Stop insulting people by insinuating they're stupid, you masonic troll.

Yeah, I know, a tortology!!! Guess wot matey? It's intentional!!!

[marpat]

Wake up Matey !!!!!
Religions especially Catholicsm was created by the Rosicrucians/Illuminati aka Zionists-Franks so that all people would latently worship the Zionist Messiah whether they were Pagans, Goths, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists - ANY RELIGIONS at all and even agnostics such as Humanists.
The symbolism of the Bible and the symbolism of Freemasonry (chequered boards, pillars, fishes, crooks, virgins) all use Mythology and Sacred Geometry to promote the idea of Jews (the Elohim) being superior to everyone else. It's even written about in the Book of Genesis for God's sake - all humans being kept in 'pens' and segregated/filled with fear. Then the Elohim (aka Jews of Hollywood/fame) being entitled to pick and choose any stupid goy they lay their eyes on, who they can f*ck, either cos they got big tits or lots of spiritual symbolism and intelligence!!!.

Stop insulting people by insinuating they're stupid, you masonic troll.

Yeah, I know, a tortology!!! Guess wot matey? It's intentional!!!

I dont have to insinuate people are stupid when they clearly are.

So who is this zionist messiah then? the jews dont recognise anybody as the messiah as yet and Jesus did not fulfil all of the conditions to be one. Masons do not follow a messiah but each person follows their own religion.

Catholocism was created by the rosicrucians, fucking hilarious

Whenever I see somebody like you ranting about jews its clear what your real intentions are

Can you please direct me to a reliable masonic source that claims the jews are superior to everybody else?

As for waking up, perhaps you should give it a go. Might make your posts more interesting if less humorous

[beastcop156]

Pity there is no such thing as instant karma

I have done it all ,nothing zero zilch,

I now do just a little bit of hatha yoga,if I can find the time.

I am coming to the conclusion Karma is bollocks.

I have been to Dharma centres,I see lots of egos in there,how many empowerment's have you had etc etc :rolleyes:( sorry if I upset any dharma centre residents,dont want to cause any schisms or anything but its just what I have experienced).........must be mi karma.

oh and you can only go in if you have enough money :rolleyes:

A mystery religion is any religion with an arcanum, or secret wisdom. In a mystery religion, an inner core of beliefs, practices, and the religion's true nature, are revealed only to those who have been initiated into its secrets.............(if you have enough money)



I will just take the try and be good path.

Crikey 5 I,s in that

I've witnessed instant Karma as in the simple "Consequences of one's actions" type of Karma. That is one so many people, asleep people, love to abuse.

I've done enough to know I am NOT this body which is such an amazing feeling all by itself. I will continue and reach higher states. Our bodies and the light within is so powerful. The thing is it does take hard work and a lot of time; IF I could I'd be a Buddhist nun for awhile.

However I'm such a sexual creature I'd be kicked out fast.

I've never been to a center nor have I paid. The best FOR ME is to learn on my own and follow the suggestions of those who have been on the path before.

No way will I tell all my experiences but don't knock it totally due to egos of people in those centers.

If Hatha Yoga makes you more comfortable then so be it. :)

this is one thing I will say and let me say the BEST thing my first teacher ever told me and I can't stand the man at all now................

The Great White Brotherhood [that has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH SKIN COLOR OR RACE] is real. They do not ask for money.

IF THEY ASK YOU TO PAY TELL THEM WHERE TO GO AND KEEP SEEKING UNTIL YOU FIND THE free real order of wonderful people who will guide you.

Some places ask for dues but they are not the what you may be looking for. It is such a shame people have stolen money for knowledge that is free. Keep seeking if you will. Stay away from anyone who asks you for money.

The advice which I was given and thought was BS was perfect!
I'm going back to college because they were right about what I needed to learn.

If i can i will be able to teach and help people. My little light is shining as bright as it can but first it has to shine on me more to heal.

[beastcop156]

I will just take the try and be good path.



That is your path and I'm glad to hear you want yours to be good.
All I ask is please do not judge me or others.

We are all on a path. As lonely as it is at times it is ours and it is solo.
Many people can come along with some answers that may help shed light on a darkened path or what we think may be a dead end. We can ask questions but it is a solo path lightgiver.


One of the most loving and understanding persons I encountered on my path was a Prince of Jerusalem. He listened to me and tried SO HARD to help me during the darkest times. He did not have to take hours out of his day for months but he did!

What he did was show me kindness, love and an understanding, gentle opinion that I will be forever grateful. He helped me heal from more than I can express.

My Scottish Brothers are always and forever in my heart!

[beastcop156]

:)

I've placed this on this thread and hope those who loved me enough to spend time with me know that their work, energy and love was not in vain.

This thread is great for me.

Time to dig out my old address books.
If I were them and helped a lost blind soul like myself, it would make me feel good to know I was apart of the healing!

[beastcop156]

That bit is easy, just keep screwing up/not learning your lessons, for life will keep giving you the chance to do so. However if you happen to be a multimillionaire crime boss in this life, in the next one you could be a man in poverty in deepest somewhere, for the lessons you need to learn could equally be learnt in that environment, and there are only a limited number of places for multi millionaire crime bosses. Could be a high price to pay for someone who enjoys "the good life". Besides which who knows, a bad person may not have the "right" to reincarnate back in human form, perhaps having to make do as a daisy:) until they learn their lessons. [no offense to daisies].

That is the safest way to believe in my opinion.

They do say I will learn this and not doubt it ever if I continue working hard in this incarnation. I believe I died very young in another life before this but that can't be proven nor does it have to be.
[Guess what!!! I was not a Queen or Prince either! My Father thought so though!]
May I ask you if you have Stewarts and Edwards in your bloodline?
It would be neat if so. Post Box me anytime if you desire.

Have a nice day/night wherever you are in this beautiful world.

[stewart edwards]

May I ask you if you have Stewarts and Edwards in your bloodline?
It would be neat if so.No idea beastcop.

I have enough difficulty finding out about my father (he left when I was very young and parents divorced thereafter), far less anything else (and yes I have tried the Salvation Army etc with no luck). I did find out that there is Clan blood in me a couple of generations ago, but to my knowledge it is not Stewart.

I do find my name facinating though for if you do a quick google search on its meaning it does reflect fairly well what I do in life, and the Scots/English angle is also interesting given I married an English girl. From an academic esoteric perspective it is fun to delve into.

If I was of Stewart bloodline I would be saying to HM The Queen look I am no threat to you, but recognise my royal lineage, so that I can get myself elected as Grand Master of UGLE so that I can reilluminate them and through them the masonic world. But if that were true just imagine the constitutional issues, some Scots demanding Kingship back over Scotland and even the UK, no doubt fears from within the Royal family and the Establihment over future rights to rule the UK etc. More hassle that it is worth.

In case you are wondering apparently I have Campbell blood in me from a couple of generations ago.

[agneau]

..

In case you are wondering apparently I have Campbell blood in me from a couple of generations ago.

I suspect - given your previous Walter Mitty form - that what you have in you is more likely to be Campbell's soup.....

[stewart edwards]

I suspect - given your previous Walter Mitty form - that what you have in you is more likely to be Campbell's soup.....Dont you just love how tolerant and kind claimed UGLE and amity freemasons are?

[sofa king]

Dont you just love how tolerant and kind claimed UGLE and amity freemasons are?


don't you love how those rejected never let it rest that they were rejected.

[beastcop156]

No idea beastcop.

I have enough difficulty finding out about my father (he left when I was very young and parents divorced thereafter), far less anything else (and yes I have tried the Salvation Army etc with no luck). I did find out that there is Clan blood in me a couple of generations ago, but to my knowledge it is not Stewart.

I do find my name facinating though for if you do a quick google search on its meaning it does reflect fairly well what I do in life, and the Scots/English angle is also interesting given I married an English girl. From an academic esoteric perspective it is fun to delve into.

If I was of Stewart bloodline I would be saying to HM The Queen look I am no threat to you, but recognise my royal lineage, so that I can get myself elected as Grand Master of UGLE so that I can reilluminate them and through them the masonic world. But if that were true just imagine the constitutional issues, some Scots demanding Kingship back over Scotland and even the UK, no doubt fears from within the Royal family and the Establihment over future rights to rule the UK etc. More hassle that it is worth.

In case you are wondering apparently I have Campbell blood in me from a couple of generations ago.

That is cool. I was just curious. You might have been a long lost cousin of some sort but I consider everyone my Brothers and Sisters anyway.

I do not have the patience to search trees but other family members take it so seriously. It isn't just a hobby but a freaking lifestyle. They have traveled the world for that reason but I understand. It is important to people! Our forefathers and mothers were all interesting people who amazingly helped us make it here!

Some of these online genealogy sites are really helpful. If it interests you, you could always sign up and find someone who ends up having answers you are seeking. One thing my family taught me is to speak to our elders and keep all family bibles, letters and ask questions. People forget faster than they should. Plus graves. I was dragged to so many as a kid. :o
[edit: Also census records are a wealthy of information! :) ]
Old people love their younger ones asking and really listening.


Take care

[moon monkey]

I suspect - given your previous Walter Mitty form - that what you have in you is more likely to be Campbell's soup.....

Arrogant pompous prick.

[lightgiver]

That is your path and I'm glad to hear you want yours to be good.
All I ask is please do not judge me or others.


My Scottish Brothers are always and forever in my heart!

Who is judging you or others :confused: you will be your own judge one day,when you are counting the black and white pebbles.

I've witnessed instant Karma as in the simple "Consequences of one's actions" type of Karma. That is one so many people, asleep people, love to abuse.

I wonder if this is Karma

Collateral Murder - Wikileaks - Iraq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

Looks like cold blooded murder to me carried out by those so called American Christians.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8984/medalofhonor.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/medalofhonor.jpg/)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/272/sealofbaphometsvg.png (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/sealofbaphometsvg.png/)

The upside-down facing pentagram, meanwhile, represents the physical world ruling over the spiritual, and has therefore been associated with dark magic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_of_Honor

[beastcop156]

Arrogant pompous prick.


I could not agree more.

[beastcop156]

Who is judging you or others :confused: you will be your own judge one day,when you are counting the black and white pebbles.



And to think I was being kind to you.


Dude I am my own judge and I don't have any worries about MY judgment. Basic proper education 101.
I think you are jealous for some odd reason.

How dare you dishonor my forefathers !

Seek treatment.
I'm done being understanding to you and reading your advanced stage paranoia.

[beastcop156]

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8984/medalofhonor.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/medalofhonor.jpg/)

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Coward you are "light" killer.
Those who fight and didn't make it back are the true heroes.
Every man I've ever known with any metal has told me the same. Their friends, who fought and died are the ones who died for our freedoms and a POS like you can't, you CAN'T take away their honor.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_of_Honor)

You make me puke.

Good luck with your OWN "judgment"

I've already figured you out.
POS

[lightgiver]

And to think I was being kind to you.


Dude I am my own judge and I don't have any worries about MY judgment. Basic proper education 101.
I think you are jealous for some odd reason.

How dare you dishonor my forefathers !

Seek treatment.
I'm done being understanding to you and reading your advanced stage paranoia.



Coward you are "light" killer.
Those who fight and didn't make it back are the true heroes.
Every man I've ever known with any metal has told me the same. Their friends, who fought and died are the ones who died for our freedoms and a POS like you can't, you CAN'T take away their honor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial

You make me puke.

Good luck with your OWN "judgment"

I've already figured you out.
POS


I see your Masonsick true colours are now showing.

I suppose you will still carry on posting though on the D Icke Forum,maybe you should try and read one of his books it may quash your delusions.

Your country and forefathers have killed more people and started more wars than anyone on the face of planet earth

:mad:

World War II was the deadliest military conflict in history. Over 60 million people were killed. The tables below give a detailed country-by-country count of human losses.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Tarawa_beach_HD-SN-99-03001.JPEG/742px-Tarawa_beach_HD-SN-99-03001.JPEG

Total dead

World War II casualty statistics vary greatly. Estimates of total dead range from 50 million to over 70 million.[1] The sources cited on this page document an estimated death toll in World War II of 62 to 78 million, making it the deadliest war ever. When scholarly sources differ on the number of deaths in a country, a range of war losses is given, in order to inform readers that the death toll is disputed. Civilians killed totaled from 40 to 52 million, including 13 to 20 million from war-related disease and famine. Total military dead: from 22 to 25 million, including deaths in captivity of about 5 million prisoners of war.

http://www.takeoverworld.info/images/Wall_Street_And_The_Rise_of_Hitler.jpg

Professor Antony Sutton: Wall Street & the rise of Hitler 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sCpsq55uic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

The upside-down facing pentagram, meanwhile, represents the physical world ruling over the spiritual, and has therefore been associated with dark magic

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/272/sealofbaphometsvg.png (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/sealofbaphometsvg.png/)

[9] "A reversed pentagram, with two points projecting upwards, is a symbol of evil and attracts sinister forces because it overturns the proper order of things and demonstrates the triumph of matter over spirit. It is the goat of lust attacking the heavens with its horns, a sign execrated by initiates."

"The flaming star, which, when turned upside down, is the hierolgyphic [sic] sign of the goat of Black Magic, whose head may be drawn in the star, the two horns at the top, the ears to the right and left, the beard at the bottom. It is the sign of antagonism and fatality. It is the goat of lust attacking the heavens with its horns."[11]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Medalsofhonor2.jpg

"Let us keep the figure of the Five-pointed Star always upright, with the topmost triangle pointing to heaven, for it is the seat of wisdom, and if the figure is reversed, perversion and evil will be the result."

[marpat]

LG is always keen to make claims against soldiers yet by the same token he is very quick to tell others that he was in the gulf war himself, then proceed to give a list of his medals. When he judges those other soldiers he judges himself in equal measure

[lightgiver]

LG is always keen to make claims against soldiers yet by the same token he is very quick to tell others that he was in the gulf war himself, then proceed to give a list of his medals. When he judges those other soldiers he judges himself in equal measure

I thought it would not be long before you trotted along :rolleyes:Twisting the facts per usual.

http://www.propartganda.com/king/images/goat.jpg

[agneau]

Arrogant pompous prick.

Devastating put down. Wit, originality, apositeness.....

.....are the only things missing.


Go on - try again. It's fun.

[christ4life]

When interacting with the so called masons here??

Do not be tempted to divulge any personnel information peeps IE names areas ETC,they will try and bait you in,

Be Wary

They hide you must do the same,their names could be false and their avatars also,tread with caution i repeat tread with caution.

These forces are everywhere,they play very cunning games.

Unless YOU know them personally just be careful also with PMs.

It could be anyone for all you know.

I agree it is the internet nobody really knows anyone on here.