kimball13
12-01-2009, 10:27 PM
This is very close to my heart so please ony very seriose coments or research,,,,,,,,,my father is dead he was one of those vets,,,,,,,,,,i am possibly one to, the evidence surely poiints in that direction,,,,,,,,and if this is true then my case is a very delicate one for the CIA......
THis neads to get out in a very big way, the door is open, it has ben open, there have ben spurts of this every 10 years or so, i am still waiting,,,,,,,,they know what they did to me,,,,they know what they tried to turn me into,,,,,they also know a little bit of what i can do when provoked.
By PAUL ELIAS Associated Press Writer
SAN FRANCISCO January 7, 2009 (AP)
Six veterans who say they were exposed to dangerous chemicals, germs and mind-altering drugs during Cold War-era experiments filed a federal lawsuit against the CIA, Department of Defense and other agencies Wednesday.
The veterans say they volunteered for military experiments as part of a wide-ranging program started in the 1950s to test nerve agents, biological weapons and mind-control techniques, but were not properly informed of the nature of the experiments.
They blame the experiments for poor health and are demanding the government provide their health care. They also want the court to rule that the program was illegal because its administrators failed to get their consent.
Marie Harf, a CIA spokeswoman, declined to comment on the lawsuit, which seeks class action status on behalf of all participants allegedly exposed to harmful experiments without their knowledge. Vietnam Veterans of America, a veterans advocacy group, is also a plaintiff.
The suit, filed in San Francisco, alleges that at least 7,800 U.S. military personnel served as volunteers to test experimental drugs such as LSD at the Edgewood Arsenal near Baltimore, Md., during a program that lasted into the 1970s, and that many others volunteered for similar experiments at other locations.
"In virtually all cases, troops served in the same capacity as laboratory rats or guinea pigs," the lawsuit states.
The suit contends that veterans were wrongfully used as test subjects in experiments such as MK-ULTRA, a CIA project from the 1950s and '60s that involved brainwashing and administering experimental drugs like LSD to unsuspecting individuals. The project was the target of several congressional inquiries in the 1970s and was tied to at least one death.
Harf said that MK-ULTRA "was thoroughly investigated and the CIA fully cooperated with each of the investigations."
The plaintiffs say many of the volunteers' records have been destroyed or remain sealed as top secret documents. They also say they were denied medals and other citations they were promised for participating in the experiments.
They are not seeking monetary damages but have demanded access to health care for veterans they say were turned away at Department of Veterans Affairs facilities because they could not prove their ailments were related to their military service.
In 1988, the Justice Department agreed to pay eight Canadians a total of $750,000 to settle their lawsuit alleging they suffered psychological trauma from CIA-financed mind-control experiments that included the use of LSD.
I dont know about all these other'son the web and such,, some of em sound similar but i am sorry to say that some charismatic individuals want to be what my father and i were are for the attention and ooohs and ahhhhs,,,,,,,trust me when i get a emotionaly tramatic thing flash back it almost takes me to my knees,,,,,,,,when memories come back that are good that i buried it is very difficult believe it or not,,,,,,,,,,ive ben so tortured and emotionaly abused that i find it hard to have a good time with people because i get endorphin rushes and almost faint,,,,,,,its called shock, studys were done and found when someone has endured to much torture there system will almost go into a shock when the torture is removed,,,,,,,,,im to a place where it doesnt bother me much but when in a good mood it is easer for programers to do what they do, i should stop here because i dont want to give any glory hunters any more than they need,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh dan burisch and duncan ofinion when are we going to speak that ought to be interesting, who knows maybe im the real dan or duncan or maybe im a hybrid of the two, maybe im the son of MJ-12 leader that Dan says died!!!!!!!!!who knows some of this is just peicing together bits and peices but the foundation of something is real fucked up is there as well as memories of certain skirmishes that i had info on that was not published until years after i had the memorie fart...
THis neads to get out in a very big way, the door is open, it has ben open, there have ben spurts of this every 10 years or so, i am still waiting,,,,,,,,they know what they did to me,,,,they know what they tried to turn me into,,,,,they also know a little bit of what i can do when provoked.
By PAUL ELIAS Associated Press Writer
SAN FRANCISCO January 7, 2009 (AP)
Six veterans who say they were exposed to dangerous chemicals, germs and mind-altering drugs during Cold War-era experiments filed a federal lawsuit against the CIA, Department of Defense and other agencies Wednesday.
The veterans say they volunteered for military experiments as part of a wide-ranging program started in the 1950s to test nerve agents, biological weapons and mind-control techniques, but were not properly informed of the nature of the experiments.
They blame the experiments for poor health and are demanding the government provide their health care. They also want the court to rule that the program was illegal because its administrators failed to get their consent.
Marie Harf, a CIA spokeswoman, declined to comment on the lawsuit, which seeks class action status on behalf of all participants allegedly exposed to harmful experiments without their knowledge. Vietnam Veterans of America, a veterans advocacy group, is also a plaintiff.
The suit, filed in San Francisco, alleges that at least 7,800 U.S. military personnel served as volunteers to test experimental drugs such as LSD at the Edgewood Arsenal near Baltimore, Md., during a program that lasted into the 1970s, and that many others volunteered for similar experiments at other locations.
"In virtually all cases, troops served in the same capacity as laboratory rats or guinea pigs," the lawsuit states.
The suit contends that veterans were wrongfully used as test subjects in experiments such as MK-ULTRA, a CIA project from the 1950s and '60s that involved brainwashing and administering experimental drugs like LSD to unsuspecting individuals. The project was the target of several congressional inquiries in the 1970s and was tied to at least one death.
Harf said that MK-ULTRA "was thoroughly investigated and the CIA fully cooperated with each of the investigations."
The plaintiffs say many of the volunteers' records have been destroyed or remain sealed as top secret documents. They also say they were denied medals and other citations they were promised for participating in the experiments.
They are not seeking monetary damages but have demanded access to health care for veterans they say were turned away at Department of Veterans Affairs facilities because they could not prove their ailments were related to their military service.
In 1988, the Justice Department agreed to pay eight Canadians a total of $750,000 to settle their lawsuit alleging they suffered psychological trauma from CIA-financed mind-control experiments that included the use of LSD.
I dont know about all these other'son the web and such,, some of em sound similar but i am sorry to say that some charismatic individuals want to be what my father and i were are for the attention and ooohs and ahhhhs,,,,,,,trust me when i get a emotionaly tramatic thing flash back it almost takes me to my knees,,,,,,,,when memories come back that are good that i buried it is very difficult believe it or not,,,,,,,,,,ive ben so tortured and emotionaly abused that i find it hard to have a good time with people because i get endorphin rushes and almost faint,,,,,,,its called shock, studys were done and found when someone has endured to much torture there system will almost go into a shock when the torture is removed,,,,,,,,,im to a place where it doesnt bother me much but when in a good mood it is easer for programers to do what they do, i should stop here because i dont want to give any glory hunters any more than they need,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh dan burisch and duncan ofinion when are we going to speak that ought to be interesting, who knows maybe im the real dan or duncan or maybe im a hybrid of the two, maybe im the son of MJ-12 leader that Dan says died!!!!!!!!!who knows some of this is just peicing together bits and peices but the foundation of something is real fucked up is there as well as memories of certain skirmishes that i had info on that was not published until years after i had the memorie fart...