Smoking

[croatiancoffee]

The thing that troubles me most about the world we live in today is that smoking is still legal. I found a packet fom Australia which stated the number of deaths on it. A few thousand for "other" things but then the number for smoking was ridiculous. This was a warning from the government.
Happens all over the world.

I am a smoker myself, so dont mind if I call myself stupid.

Can anyone explain it away without using the word "money" or anything related to that word please?

Yeah, I know people dont have to smoke, and by putting a warning on a packet, they legally cover themselves. Why is nothing done about it?

[scatlond]

Its worth alot of money to the government thats why, the warnings are to stop legal action against them

The uk government has put pictures of diseased lungs on packs now, at the same time as selling them to you.:confused:

[croatiancoffee]

Well, yeah it is all about the M-word. Plain obvious.

What the hell can be done about it?

[scatlond]

Dont smoke, dont buy them. Or grow your own without the addictive or cancer causing additives.

[croatiancoffee]

Thats fine for you, fine for me. What about the rest of humans?

Can just pass it off and say "well if they want to be like that, fine, let them" but thats not positive.

Obviously someone would have thought about it before and tried to do something, but there is no harm in discussing ways which this can be stopped. Its not right.

[somethinganonymous]

if the smoker wants to smoke, let him. Do not enforce your will on others. Making cigarettes illegal would add a whole lot of new problems, that possibly would outweigh the original problem of people commiting slow suicide by smoking.

yet then, the hypocrazy should be ended, that is, other drugs that now has status as illegal substances should be legalized. I'm talking here chiefly of cannabis. There's no need for a ban on cannabis, while alcohol and cigarettes are legal. It defeats the purpose. Also, possession of user-doses of hard-drug substances should be de-criminalized, as abusers of hard drugs are not criminals per se, but sick people in need of medical care, not criminal "care".

Then, with enlightenment, wisdom, knowledge and sound education, we might eradicate the whole drug problem once and for all.

[croatiancoffee]

Yeah, good post. The original problem regarding health is the main concern. More of a concern than problems created from banning the stuff.
Legalising doesnt help with health problems still, but makes the powers that be a bit more acceptable and not as laughable with the laws regarding these substances.

Even though cigarettes are legal pretty much everywhere, you can still get them illegally. Legalising all drugs would reduce sentences and people in prison.

What would happen if all drugs were illegal, including cigarettes?
Harsh penalties for growing/distributing the stuff like exists with recreational drugs, but more enforced?

A few people go down, you might think others take notice.

Money lost from revenue, but gained in smaller ways such as less admittance to hospitals.

Going on the other scale, legalising all drugs could provide an extra income while some of the cash goes straight back into rehabilition/education.


Either way could be done and both are practical. Can you see either happen?

[anahata]

I don't see fags being made illegal, there is far too much money involved.

I've had enough of smoking and so I quit last Monday, it's day 9 and I'm doing well. I don't know what all the fuss is about :p

[lordzoma]

Croatian coffee = FASCIST.

Who gives a fuck what troubles you about being legal or illegal.

People should be free to do whatever they want, not be forced by a government to stay healthy.

Your post and your belief structure = fail.

[croatiancoffee]

Thanks, I think. :)

Would you rather see people of your country healthy or not?

[novymir]

I DON'T BUY INTO THEIR LIES.
If you buy into their lies, they will probably manifest.
I smoke anyways.

[eyepod]

It all to do with economics which governments are fully aware of.

The demand for cigarettes is considered "elastic" in that as the price rises the quantity comsumed does not fall by a proportionate amount. Whereas for non-essential, non-addictive or non-status goods the demand is considered "inelastic".

Anything addictive, essential or a status good will have much more of an elastic demand curve. The government know they can milk elastic demand goods with taxes without killing off demand sufficiently to reduce the income they generate off it.

There warnings are the so it looks like they actaully care for you I guess.

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[1977]

Dont smoke, dont buy them. Or grow your own without the addictive or cancer causing additives.
Yeah, the additives and pesticides used are the real killers.

[supertzar]

Radiation is the killer, not necessarily the additives. It's polonium in commercial rock phosphate fertilizer absorbed by the plant. This is a fact known to medical science. Please look into it. This is extremely important knowledge in my opinion and it is being kept quiet probably to avoid the largest class action lawsuit in history. I grow my own tobacco by the way and it is far superior and almost effortless and free.

[oddblock]

I'm sick of TPTB dictating to me wether or not I should smoke. I do and I enjoy it.

there's bigger fish to worry about out there than smoking.

Considering adults are feeding their children Aspartame daily.

[slo0]

I've been wondering about smoking for a long time and I believe that one of the worse killer of smoking is the thoughtform associated with it. I live in Canada and you are reminded of how you r gonna get sick from it on every pack.... guilt... fear.... disempowerment........we tell u it's bad yet u can quite........anywho....tobacco has a very intersesting history...


TOBACCO - XIGAR

Did you know that the word "cigar" originates from the Mayan word xigar? The word was used to describe the action of aspirating or sucking which later came to signify the act of smoking tobacco. The Spaniards adopted the word from the Mayans and morphed it into cigarro to mean rolled smoking tobacco, and now the word is part of the language of the world. In English the word is "cigar", in French "cigare", in German "zigarre", and in Italian, "cigarro".

Tobacco was one of the precious gifts the indigenous people of the Antille Islands presented to Christopher Columbus when he landed in the Caribbean in 1492. Cultivated by the Mayan Empire as a highly prized medicinal plant, tobacco had traveled from Mexico south to the Caribbean where it came to the attention of Columbus and his men. According to legend, one of Columbus' sailors rolled the dried whole leaves into a cylinder, lighted one end and inhaled the smoke. Delighting in the sensation, he inadvertently created a crude prototype of the cigar, which recently has been re-marketed into a trendy luxury item.

Before it became customary to dry and smoke the leaves of the plant, the Mayans used tobacco to treat a host of ailments. Considered a sacred plant, they used whole leaves for poultices or ground them into powder to prepare tinctures, ointments, and chewable tablets for pain, hunger, thirst, fatigue and other afflictions. Before tobacco was known to Columbus, it had also traveled north to the Native American cultures of the United States. It is thought that these peoples innovated smoking the leaves as part of sacred ceremonies in which carefully constructed clay pipes were made especially for the ritual. Three-thousand-year-old tobacco pipes from the southwestern U. S. survive today.

By 1560, tobacco was known throughout Europe as a medicinal plant thanks to Jean Nicot, the French ambassador to Portugal. Nicot was enamored both with the plant¹s flower, which he wore as a boutonniere, and its medicinal properties. For a time tobacco was known as "Nicotina" in honor of Nicot who introduced it to France, but the name "tobacco" eventually prevailed as the world¹s largest producer became the island of Tobago, the Caribbean's southernmost island above the Port of Spain off Venezuela.

It is interesting to note that once science was able to separate the plant's chemical components, its offending component was dubbed "nicotine". Many of the plant¹s remaining ingredients are mainstays of modern pharmacopia.