Why 2012 is a deception.

[cleft_asunder]

Even if this 2012 stuff makes 100% sense, the reality is that Earth is a prison planet dominated for hundreds of thousands of years by other-dimensional entities. The first suspect as to who is giving us these messages are the Illuminati, or higher levels such as the Reptilians and Demons. They control humans so well that no aspect of society is independent of their carefully contrived control structure. For example, the whoe UFO community is fiilled with a bunch of naive researchers who always seem to lean in the direction of their comfort zones. This is because the UFO truth movement is controlled by the CIA, and they manipulate the community into reaching conclusions that protect the ET's. This is what they've manipulated the community into believing:

1. ET's are benevolant and send us messages through crop circles.

The reality is that not a single researcher knows that crop circles come from a benevolant source, yet that is what's established. This says a lot about human guilability, because humans seem to want to believe that ET's are "good" because it helps them sleep better at night.

2. The evil government is preventing contact.

True, but that's out of context. The black government is a front organization, just like the Zionists, who are used as a tool to carry out a task indirectly. Actually, the black government itself is farily well hidden, and the real front organizations are the governments of the world. This protects the real perpetrators, the nagative ET's themselves, from not only repercusions, but most importantly from being in the spot light. The government was AT LEAST infiltrated after the Roswell incident. I'm talking about just the government here, and not humans, which have been controlled seemingly forever. So the reason the government is hiding the ET's is because the ET's themselves aren't ever going to reveal themselves unless it advances their goals of domination (New World Order).

So in regards to the UFO community, it also keeps them distracted: "When is the government going to tell us the truth? Why are they hiding the ET's? We want answers!" But the answer is that the government is one of the masks on the ET's face. And when it comes to opening that can of worms, these same people who demand disclosure become silent. The negative ET topic is downplayed, supressed, generally not accepted (sheep mentality) and above all, the naive researchers don't want to believe it.

The show X-Files was specifically set up to make the government (and humans) look like the perpetrators of human suffering. It also implanted the belief into the population that we are killing positive ET's who aren't here to harm us, but rather they are here to observe and to help us spiritually. This simply is not true. If these types of ET's do exist, they are an extreme minority.

3. Humans are destroying the earth due to human nature.

True, but that parallels the destruction of ourselves and the Earth through demonic manipulation, either directly (possession) or most importantly through institutions working towards the New World Order. It is important to understand that humans have been altered to be a slave race thousands of years ago so that we never discover the truth AND so that we are perfect for creating mass fear. Human nature, which seems to be somewhat evil, is the dominating factor of humans, and morality has taken a back seat. The perpetrators of this new human nature are the Reptilians, who have genetically modified their brain into ours, the Reptilian brain.

4. Alien contact is new, going only so far back as the early 20th century.
Before that, it was humans independent of alien tampering. Therefore, history is an endless story of war, suffering, genocide, disease and destruction.

This ties in with human nature and what I said in point 3. It's not our fault that our nature has changed, because the ET's did this to us. We were helpless. History is not only a representation of human nature, but of ET's manipulating humanity. What's interesting to note is that the Roswell incident was a plot by the ET's to introduce the microchip, which happened through IBM (controlled). This was needed to jump-start the NWO (computers, microchips, facial recognition, fingerprint scanners, et cetera). But that's just part of the reasoning. I'm sure you can think of the rest.

So in that context, how confident should we be in these crop circles? They keep us focused on the future, which brings our power to ZERO. Power happends now, and power is power because of the now. You can't do anything yesterday, or take action tomorrow, because yesterday already happened and tomorrow never comes. Why would positive ET's want us to focus on the future? Even if it were true that 2012 is a real mass awakening event, why would they tell us that? So that we hurry up and wait? Wait until something external saves us? A real benevolant race would empower us spiritually, showing us moralistic objectives and helping us strive through the practice of meditation and prayer to become a new positive species. They would never have us focus or worry about a future date, because that distracts us and weakens us.

[size_of_light]

Good thoughts cleft, and I especially agree with you on the sickly sweet consensus amongst one faction of the crop circle community that they're being created by benevolent extraterrestrials helping us to 'evolve'.

There's no proof for this at all. It's all speculation mixed in with wishful thinking.

Also with you on 2012. Everyones being programmed to wait for 'vibrational salvation' or whatever and there's approximately no fucking basis for this belief either.

[cleft_asunder]

Good thoughts cleft, and I especially agree with you on the sickly sweet consensus amongst one faction of the crop circle community that they're being created by benevolent extraterrestrials helping us to 'evolve'.

There's no proof for this at all. It's all speculation mixed in with wishful thinking.

Also with you on 2012. Everyones being programmed to wait for 'vibrational salvation' or whatever and there's approximately no fucking basis for this belief either.

Well I don't claim there's no awakeing, and in fact I strongly believe there is. But the awakening is happening NOW. and Waiting for 2012 or the future has no place in it. How can it?

[humito]

Good thoughts cleft, and I especially agree with you on the sickly sweet consensus amongst one faction of the crop circle community that they're being created by benevolent extraterrestrials helping us to 'evolve'.

There's no proof for this at all. It's all speculation mixed in with wishful thinking.

Also with you on 2012. Everyones being programmed to wait for 'vibrational salvation' or whatever and there's approximately no fucking basis for this belief either.
I would disagree with this a little..........most people are completly unaware of of what is supposed to transpire in 2012.........most of the population couldnt give a toss about crop circles and they are mainly portrayed as hoaxes by mass media..most people will equate 2012 with the olympic games and believe global warming and climate change is because of human pollution ....etc. people who research and are interested in this stuff are well in the minority,of course there is misinformation etc but I think you think the masses are more turned on then they are .IMO:)
Ive been mucking about with Terrence Mkennas Timewave Zero software and it definately shows something strange happening ( not exactly on) but not long after the 2012 alignment.
Also the cross of Hendaye is well worth researching as it ties in with galactic precession and past and future global catastrophy........I dont think outer space ETs will save us but there are plenty to be found in innerspace too.

[size_of_light]

I would disagree with this a little..........most people are completly unaware of of what is supposed to transpire in 2012.........most of the population couldnt give a toss about crop circles and they are mainly portrayed as hoaxes by mass media..most people will equate 2012 with the olympic games and believe global warming and climate change is because of human pollution ....etc. people who research and are interested in this stuff are well in the minority,of course there is misinformation etc but I think you think the masses are more turned on then they are .IMO:)
Ive been mucking about with Terrence Mkennas Timewave Zero software and it definately shows something strange happening ( not exactly on) but not long after the 2012 alignment.
Also the cross of Hendaye is well worth researching as it ties in with galactic precession and past and future global catastrophy........I dont think outer space ETs will save us but there are plenty to be found in innerspace too.

Fair enough, but how certain are you that you really understand anything about 2012 or crop circles? To me it's all pure conjecture.

[whiterain]

i guess its like anything in this field s of l. your only gonna really be able to say what parts of it you belive in when you have had direct experiences. i would think that people who follow this 2012 thing are mostly, like me, people who have had some astral experience pointing to certain future events. when you back this up with all the research others have done it makes a pretty compelling case, yet without personal experience the research would be fairly meaningless to most people. me personally i dont care whats happening in the sky or electro magnetic energy wise (although im sure it has a great influence) i just go by the feeling that i was left with that we are close to literally completing the physical world. some of the tech we should have could soon make the physical as manipulatable as a dreamworld and many signs point to us gaining mastery over our surroundings eveb if you have to llok really hard to find them. i also follow the idea of evolution following an exponential curve. just look at where we were 20 years ago and compare that to 100 years ago then 1000 etc and its clear we are learning faster and faster

[lordzoma]

This thread is worthless.

[octopusrex]

Tell you what.

If I have my infantry in place by 2012.

There is no damned deception of Sexto Sol.

[whiterain]

This thread is worthless.

it was until that

[size_of_light]

Tell you what.

If I have my infantry in place by 2012.

There is no damned deception of Sexto Sol.

I must have read and re-read this at least thirty times and I still have no idea what it means :confused: :p

[element]

Nothing will happen.
People have been thinking for almost 2000 years something would happen. In the Middle Ages they thought they were starting the signs of Revelations, and people these days also believe this. And let us laugh at the date 21/12/12, a nice one to make oneliners and sell some books. Could be put in the same category as 1/1/2000 and how about 6/6/6....
That said, I do believe we will one day reach some sort of higher vibrational level as part of our spiritual evolution, but along with this we would likely get another planet. When spirit evolves, matter evolves simultaneously. It goes slowly so why should we even bother about the future. We can't make any change by living in the future, people have tried this for so long, only to be dissappointed that nothing happened.

[nectars]

Ok totally off topic I know. but I have to ask... Whiterain, WTF is that in your Avatar lol? :D

[whiterain]

the beautiful blobfish:

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=blobfish&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

[delamo1999]

Nothing will happen.
People have been thinking for almost 2000 years something would happen. In the Middle Ages they thought they were starting the signs of Revelations, and people these days also believe this. And let us laugh at the date 21/12/12, a nice one to make oneliners and sell some books. Could be put in the same category as 1/1/2000 and how about 6/6/6....
That said, I do believe we will one day reach some sort of higher vibrational level as part of our spiritual evolution, but along with this we would likely get another planet. When spirit evolves, matter evolves simultaneously. It goes slowly so why should we even bother about the future. We can't make any change by living in the future, people have tried this for so long, only to be dissappointed that nothing happened.


I agree with you on this one about nothing will happen and by that I believe that a big event whether it be good or bad is going to happen on 21-Dec-12. I do believe however, that we as a species are spiritually evolving on a daily basis.

I also believe that we as humans have been controlled by covert forces that most of us are unaware of. However, more and more is coming to the surface as more and more people are evolving spiritually and are becoming enlightened to the truth. I personally believe that the NWO will never happen, but that does not discount anything about those who may be planning for it.

Thanks Cleft Asunder for posting this thread as it has gotten me to see another side of the whole alien thing. You too element, thanks for your post.

:)

[nectars]

the beautiful blobfish:

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=blobfish&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Nice :eek: Though it had been altered lol

[kingmob]

Something is going to happen and is happening right now. The end of a great cycle is about to hit us.

You got to remember that everything is cyclical. Every 10,000 years the Earth is going through some major changes, and we are going to witness the end of a great cycle in 2012. WE are coming up to a 1 million year cycle, and possibly an even larger one at that(a 6 million year mark). At the end of of last major cycle, the Earth witnessed the break down of the last major civilazation(Atlantis), the end of an Ice Age, and reformation of the continental plates and the subsequent movement of the oceanic waters.

There are lots of physical and metaphysical phenomena at this point in time. Our sun is going berzerk. The sun has not restarted its cycle as it usually does(which is every 11 years, where the magnetic poles reverse themselves, and was supposed to restart in 2001). The next cycle if its going to end, is ending..you guessed it in 2012. Its throwing out an amazing and unprecedented amounts of energy into our solar system, and vibrating and pulsating like never before. Traditional science cannot explain this. Why is the central object that we all rely on the most, is so active and violent at this period of time? Why are all the volcanoes waking up? Why is there such turbulences in our atmosphere?

Think about the Illuminati/Annunaki here for a second. They are trying to shape our perception more than ever and they are well aware of 2012 as a year of great amplitude and magnitude. Look at the amount of media coverage geared towards 2012. There are books, television, movies coming out that all predict towards the date. Why are the masses being manipulated towards creating a catastrophe in 2012?

WE are being controlled as a mass, yes, its true. We are being poisoned daily by the food we intake, by the water we drink, by the air we breathe. We are educated so that we can't think for ourself. We are afraid. We are disconnected. But we are still here. We have the power to change ourselves and everyone around us, and regain our true thought.

Human Conciesness is the biggest factor present on this planet. This is the most unrealized and powerful force, the kundalini of the human race. Look at how many people are witnessing the birth of an alternative view. Is this being fed to us by illuminati? Or is this a powerful effect of the universal changes that are being brought to us? The veil is being shattered little bits and pieces at a time, even though more and more effort is being put forth by the Illuminati to control the masses.

Is the end near? Or is it the new beginning?

[delamo1999]

Something is going to happen and is happening right now. The end of a great cycle is about to hit us.

WE are being controlled as a mass, yes, its true. We are being poisoned daily by the food we intake, by the water we drink, by the air we breathe. We are educated so that we can't think for ourself. We are afraid. We are disconnected. But we are still here. We have the power to change ourselves and everyone around us, and regain our true thought.

Is the end near? Or is it the new beginning?


I agree with you on the educated bit. Now a days it seems that most the ads you read for jobs require a 4 year college degree. I have one of those and I can tell you that for most of the jobs that I have done do not require a degree.

And you are correct. It seems that the whole thing about education is to get you to learn someone elses "proven" way to do or think about something. What ever happened to my inner self and the all knowing that comes with that? We are all born with an infinate consciousness but are forced to shut that down and accept some big wigs point of view as being the ultimate truth.

Over the weekend I took a training seminar that was formulated by someone else. As I was practicing the techniques, my own inner self told me that it is ok to follow my intuition and that it is ok if it is not done exactly as it was explained in class. I, of course did not tell the practitioner out of fear of being humiliated for not following the technique according to the "proven" way.

Thanks for your post.

[kingmob]

Yes, I'm also a product of a 4 year major university degree. I realize now, that I learned very little. I think very lightly of the degree attained. I always wonder, what if i would have known what I know now when I went to school, would i still do it? I did enjoy the social aspect of being at school, but the education itself was very limiting. I am learning a lot more daily now than I ever did in college. All I learned then was how to restrict my thought pattern into a limited view that was being presented for me, and how to continue furthering that view in corporate world. And it all came to a crashing halt, as soon as I realized how much i hate the Corporation.

[nwoexposer]

I think something spectacular will happen on 21-12-2012, a positive change for humanity. Humanity will reach higher levels of consciousness. A change so great, beyond the comprehension of what even the most optimistic can envision. After all, the Sun, Earth and the centre of the Milky Way Galaxy will be lined up, something I've just found out about recently. But it should be noted that this change will still exist within the Matrix, but with the change it will be much easier for humanity to perceive realities outside of this Matrix.

[energi]

Something is going to happen and is happening right now. The end of a great cycle is about to hit us.

You got to remember that everything is cyclical. Every 10,000 years the Earth is going through some major changes, and we are going to witness the end of a great cycle in 2012. WE are coming up to a 1 million year cycle, and possibly an even larger one at that(a 6 million year mark). At the end of of last major cycle, the Earth witnessed the break down of the last major civilazation(Atlantis), the end of an Ice Age, and reformation of the continental plates and the subsequent movement of the oceanic waters.

There are lots of physical and metaphysical phenomena at this point in time. Our sun is going berzerk. The sun has not restarted its cycle as it usually does(which is every 11 years, where the magnetic poles reverse themselves, and was supposed to restart in 2001). The next cycle if its going to end, is ending..you guessed it in 2012. Its throwing out an amazing and unprecedented amounts of energy into our solar system, and vibrating and pulsating like never before. Traditional science cannot explain this. Why is the central object that we all rely on the most, is so active and violent at this period of time? Why are all the volcanoes waking up? Why is there such turbulences in our atmosphere?

Think about the Illuminati/Annunaki here for a second. They are trying to shape our perception more than ever and they are well aware of 2012 as a year of great amplitude and magnitude. Look at the amount of media coverage geared towards 2012. There are books, television, movies coming out that all predict towards the date. Why are the masses being manipulated towards creating a catastrophe in 2012?

WE are being controlled as a mass, yes, its true. We are being poisoned daily by the food we intake, by the water we drink, by the air we breathe. We are educated so that we can't think for ourself. We are afraid. We are disconnected. But we are still here. We have the power to change ourselves and everyone around us, and regain our true thought.

Human Conciesness is the biggest factor present on this planet. This is the most unrealized and powerful force, the kundalini of the human race. Look at how many people are witnessing the birth of an alternative view. Is this being fed to us by illuminati? Or is this a powerful effect of the universal changes that are being brought to us? The veil is being shattered little bits and pieces at a time, even though more and more effort is being put forth by the Illuminati to control the masses.

Is the end near? Or is it the new beginning?

Have you got any sources on the things you mention? I'm particularly interested in the "1 million/6 million" year-cycles and the Sun going berzerk.

Also, can someone explain the whole "human vibration/kundalini energy" stuff briefly?

[white horse]

Well I don't claim there's no awakeing, and in fact I strongly believe there is. But the awakening is happening NOW. and Waiting for 2012 or the future has no place in it. How can it?

Now we are waking up; this process is training and warm up before the off.

Dec 21 2012 is the starting gun.

Do your prep (whatever that is) NOW.

[killuminati18]

This thread is worthless.


What the fuck...why?

[ayomide]

2. The evil government is preventing contact.

True, but that's out of context. The black government is a front organization, just like the Zionists, who are used as a tool to carry out a task indirectly. Actually, the black government itself is farily well hidden, and the real front organizations are the governments of the world.


Please explain this .. I am curious to know more about this. And tell me what do you know about Akebu-Lan?

[eyepod]

After all, the Sun, Earth and the centre of the Milky Way Galaxy will be lined up, something I've just found out about recently.

This is just one of the major falacies surrounding 2012. The source of this information about a galactic aligment was from a guy with a book to flog (always some cash to be had in saving mankind :rolleyes:) and various others have eagerly jumped on the bandwagon.

There is no precise date given for galactic aligment of Earth / Sun / Milky Way in 2012.

The author that started this whole 2012 alignment story gives the date as 1998 +/- 18 years = 1980 - 2016

http://www.examiner.com/x-504-Space-News-Examiner~topic56682-galactic-alignment-2012 (http://www.examiner.com/x-504-Space-News-Examiner%7Etopic56682-galactic-alignment-2012)
The precise alignment of the solstice point (the precise center-point of the body of the sun as viewed from earth) with the Galactic equator was calculated to occur in 1998 (Jean Meeus, Mathematical Astronomy Morsels, 1997).

Thus, the Galactic Alignment "zone" is 1998 +/- 18 years = 1980 - 2016. This is "era-2012."http://www.geocities.com/astrologyages/maya2012.htm
Is there an Alignment between the Galactic Equator and the Sun at Winter Solstice 2012?:

No.

In fact there is an alignment between the Sun and the Galactic Equator at the time of Winter Solstice, but it has already happened. It happened back in 1997 [21st December 1997 AD 14h 43m GMT].

In other words, the 2012 alignment isn’t unique. Consider the view from our local star, the sun. As seen from the sun, Earth crosses the Milky Way’s galactic plane (also called the galactic equator) twice a year, every year.

[cleft_asunder]

Please explain this .. I am curious to know more about this. And tell me what do you know about Akebu-Lan?

What is there to explain? People are of limited intelligence, including myself, and the first mistake they make when forming conclusions about the negative alien presence is that they assume it's as sophisticated as their intelligence can comprehend. It is beyond their intelligence. They underestimate the intelligence of the alien presence, and therefore their conclusions about their motives are cartoonish. For example, naively believing that understanding the alien presence is simply a matter of taking everything at face value. You cannot take anything at face value when you are a species with a 100 year life span, dealing with a species of 500+ years. Go read the book Dune by Frank Herbert and then multiply the politics in that book by 100 or 1000.

Face value: 4 greys were stupidly shot down by our militant government.

The reality: 4 greys were shot down by the aliens to advance the NWO agenda. The government is and always has been under their indirect control.

I don't know anything about Akebu-Lan.

[ayomide]

What is there to explain? People are of limited intelligence, including myself, and the first mistake they make when forming conclusions about the negative alien presence is that they assume it's as sophisticated as their intelligence can comprehend. It is beyond their intelligence. They underestimate the intelligence of the alien presence, and therefore their conclusions about their motives are cartoonish. For example, naively believing that understanding the alien presence is simply a matter of taking everything at face value. You cannot take anything at face value when you are a species with a 100 year life span, dealing with a species of 500+ years. Go read the book Dune by Frank Herbert and then multiply the politics in that book by 100 or 1000.

Face value: 4 greys were stupidly shot down by our militant government.

The reality: 4 greys were shot down by the aliens to advance the NWO agenda. The government is and always has been under their indirect control.

I don't know anything about Akebu-Lan.



You failed to answer my question - instead you start talking about greys and ET's.

2. The evil government is preventing contact.

True, but that's out of context. The black government is a front organization, just like the Zionists, who are used as a tool to carry out a task indirectly. Actually, the black government itself is farily well hidden, and the real front organizations are the governments of the world.

Are you simply just saying that the black government are well hidden or do you have evidence to prove this theory?

I have to be honest here - I am not being narrow and I simply am trying to understand but I cannot believe some of this crap about greys, reptilians etc - I am not at that state of mind to believe in them as yet.

The war is on planet earth - it both a spiritual and racial war. Genocide of races etc. Now I ask you to please dig up the roots of this humanity and therein lays the answers.

You do not know much about Akebu-Lan / Africa because you were taught differently about it - I have shunned Eurocentric teachings. Tell me why is race such an important factor when it comes to these ET's and Humanoids? Do tell me why they all have fair hair, are blonde with blue eyes? Do you not see? Connect the dots. Resonate with the Ancient Mother and you will start seeing - there are evil forces around me that want to shut me up and they all from a caucasian source - I am not kidding about this - also many here think they are enlightened but they have no real idea of what is going on and the ones that do are simply holding back out of fear and negativity.

Some here take every word that Mr.Icke hands to them without thinking even though they feel thought provoked - Please spare me the Icke is a good man and he's just a person - yada yada - what would you do if you find out he's been lieing to you just to furthuer push an agenda by the powers to be?

Spiritual development is of importance but when the things are going on in the pyshical dimension then you need to first start chipping there.

Gaza and Israel - OMG - another distraction however it is the killing of Natives - coloured natives

Did you know that there is a big conspiracy regarding Africa? It is neither talked about by anyone apart from those brave enough too but soon after it's discussed indepth with the public these people disappear and the information is destroyed or classified as ''INVALID''. All the Ancient Monuments and Artifacts - where are they all taken too? Europe? Why are the noses always removed from Ancient Kemet statues? Why are we taught subliminal messages to serve whites - why do whites walk around with a chip on thier shoulder? Why is black so feared, hated but the most immitated? Why do Black people have no history apart from death and slavery?

Now please explain this Hidden Black Government when you clearly know nothing about Africa - are you talking about the Eurocentric Indoctrinated Black Government because I would believe that - the people created to be puppets for thier 'White Adonis God'


The ones in power as we all know are interbred and thereby given themselves the title of ''Pure Breed''

Follow the sun -

[lightblessins]

hi, i dont agree with 2012 being a deception, the cosmos is in constant change and in constant rotation and growth, weather all humans were aware of ascension or all were completely unaware, it would make no difference in its being, as its a natural process that happens to planets all over the cosmos.:)

[cleft_asunder]

You failed to answer my question - instead you start talking about greys and ET's.



Are you simply just saying that the black government are well hidden or do you have evidence to prove this theory?

I have to be honest here - I am not being narrow and I simply am trying to understand but I cannot believe some of this crap about greys, reptilians etc - I am not at that state of mind to believe in them as yet.

The war is on planet earth - it both a spiritual and racial war. Genocide of races etc. Now I ask you to please dig up the roots of this humanity and therein lays the answers.

You do not know much about Akebu-Lan / Africa because you were taught differently about it - I have shunned Eurocentric teachings. Tell me why is race such an important factor when it comes to these ET's and Humanoids? Do tell me why they all have fair hair, are blonde with blue eyes? Do you not see? Connect the dots. Resonate with the Ancient Mother and you will start seeing - there are evil forces around me that want to shut me up and they all from a caucasian source - I am not kidding about this - also many here think they are enlightened but they have no real idea of what is going on and the ones that do are simply holding back out of fear and negativity.

Some here take every word that Mr.Icke hands to them without thinking even though they feel thought provoked - Please spare me the Icke is a good man and he's just a person - yada yada - what would you do if you find out he's been lieing to you just to furthuer push an agenda by the powers to be?

Spiritual development is of importance but when the things are going on in the pyshical dimension then you need to first start chipping there.

Gaza and Israel - OMG - another distraction however it is the killing of Natives - coloured natives

Did you know that there is a big conspiracy regarding Africa? It is neither talked about by anyone apart from those brave enough too but soon after it's discussed indepth with the public these people disappear and the information is destroyed or classified as ''INVALID''. All the Ancient Monuments and Artifacts - where are they all taken too? Europe? Why are the noses always removed from Ancient Kemet statues? Why are we taught subliminal messages to serve whites - why do whites walk around with a chip on thier shoulder? Why is black so feared, hated but the most immitated? Why do Black people have no history apart from death and slavery?

Now please explain this Hidden Black Government when you clearly know nothing about Africa - are you talking about the Eurocentric Indoctrinated Black Government because I would believe that - the people created to be puppets for thier 'White Adonis God'


The ones in power as we all know are interbred and thereby given themselves the title of ''Pure Breed''

Follow the sun -

That's nice. Go make a thread about it because I don't see what this has to do with 2012.

[skunksmash]

well, what can i say......nice read OP

when you take a step back from life & look in at it, the human race sickens me more & more, the bombing & constant killing no wonder the EBE's probably want to wipe the slate clean & start over..... i mean who'd want to mingle with this planet..?? they'd get mugged for their saucer & made to walk home....:rolleyes:

i do now think though a good few are becoming more aware, generally, & not so closed minded, i think the general ''lid of secrecy'' is becoming unstable...:D GOOD!!!!

in regard to 2012.... im not thinking so much about the Nibiru fly by, but more about what the Mayans called ''the dark rift'' or what modern day scientists call ''the galactic plane''

this is another supposed ''clockwork'' event that we as an infant race were not around to record in the past....theoretically this could case worldwide mayhem, yet if it is a possibility i need to know.:mad:

this 2012 business really perplexes me as i have a 1yo son & 7yo daughter.. if something is coming i need to know in my own head that i did everything i could for them (even if we still get wiped out)

if i just go about my normal life & do nothing about a ''possible'' threat to my family, thats just as bad as putting a gun to their heads...


:)SK

[rhydra]

I think I wrote this down in so many words somewhere else.

The expectation that something will happen in 2012 may mean that something will happen, a specific date and year may have passed wthout incident had it not been mentioned, no one would have known. Instead the year, the month, the day is now implanted in millions, if not millions of minds.

The power of the mind is enough to make a god if it is spread out over time, thinly and with a limited amount of people. If the God of the Jews, Christians and Muslims is real, it was created by probably less than a million people, maybe out of the seed of an idea by one individual.

Something which people are aware of which happens in a day and is experienced by millions who have their own ideas of what is going to happen may cause an effect. What will happen? Who knows, it might be seen, it might not, it might be palpable, it might not, it is unpredictable.

Whatever happens, if it does happen will be totally unpredicted and probably rather nasty.

Then again, nothing may happen.

[cleft_asunder]

I honestly don't know, how can I? Most likely, time will split and for some people they will go into the NWO, while for others they will move into a golden age. 3 more years. All I know for sure is that the NWO are making a final push.

[size_of_light]

Most likely, time will split and for some people they will go into the NWO, while for others they will move into a golden age.

Why is this most likely, cleft?

[cleft_asunder]

Why is this most likely, cleft?

Most likely in that that's where the research has taken me. I could be wrong.

[ayomide]

That's nice. Go make a thread about it because I don't see what this has to do with 2012.

But you failed to answer my question - what secret black government is there? Do you have proof regarding this - what do you know about them etc - I was merely asking you to provide proof -

Even if it's just a video or small article - that would at least be sufficient. Regarding 2012 - I do agree it is probably a deception - something big may or may not happen or whatever - the PTB are messing with divine justice and they are going to be reaping what they sow - there is something much bigger that is happening and not 2012 also what I wrote you completely dismissed - you say you 'awake' but you are still skimming around the surface and dismiss something that can provide you a vital clue to what is happening - trust me I know, I feel, I see and a conciousness is growing but not the kind on which many people here set thier hearts on.

Anyhow - do you have at least something to confirm your theories? Or am I just wasting my time?

[killuminati18]

But you failed to answer my question - what secret black government is there? Do you have proof regarding this - what do you know about them etc - I was merely asking you to provide proof -

Even if it's just a video or small article - that would at least be sufficient. Regarding 2012 - I do agree it is probably a deception - something big may or may not happen or whatever - the PTB are messing with divine justice and they are going to be reaping what they sow - there is something much bigger that is happening and not 2012 also what I wrote you completely dismissed - you say you 'awake' but you are still skimming around the surface and dismiss something that can provide you a vital clue to what is happening - trust me I know, I feel, I see and a conciousness is growing but not the kind on which many people here set thier hearts on.

Anyhow - do you have at least something to confirm your theories? Or am I just wasting my time?


Sometimes I think that the New World Order religion has relationship with these cheap 2012 stuff. People here doesnt stop to think about the empty message of this thing and the trick that involves it...plus: is 2012 a secret?? come on... the media is giving it a lot of publicity, newspapers, television, internet...its full of 2012 stuff, many people knows about this and many people believes in it, I could be wrong, but in my opinion I think this is dirty trick probably invented and orquestrated by the same people behind the stages that these forum always points out.

[skunksmash]

to what end...???? :confused:

scaring the nation into thinking there's an apocalypse coming is only gonna cause mass hysteria, if the NWO are after control theyre going the wrong way about it....:rolleyes:

[cleft_asunder]

But you failed to answer my question - what secret black government is there? Do you have proof regarding this - what do you know about them etc - I was merely asking you to provide proof -

Even if it's just a video or small article - that would at least be sufficient. Regarding 2012 - I do agree it is probably a deception - something big may or may not happen or whatever - the PTB are messing with divine justice and they are going to be reaping what they sow - there is something much bigger that is happening and not 2012 also what I wrote you completely dismissed - you say you 'awake' but you are still skimming around the surface and dismiss something that can provide you a vital clue to what is happening - trust me I know, I feel, I see and a conciousness is growing but not the kind on which many people here set thier hearts on.

Anyhow - do you have at least something to confirm your theories? Or am I just wasting my time?

Do I have something to confirm my theories? What, you can't do the work yourself? I discovered this a long time ago from reading many sources. One source is the 3 books called The Universal Seduction, another is David Icke, and the many sources on the net. It becomes common sense after a while what the main possibilities are. Proof? What is proof? I deal with evidence.

Why are you so desperate about it? You make it sound like being awake means something. What does it mean? We are both black sheep now.

[cleft_asunder]

to what end...???? :confused:

scaring the nation into thinking there's an apocalypse coming is only gonna cause mass hysteria, if the NWO are after control theyre going the wrong way about it....:rolleyes:

Order out of chaos.

[skunksmash]

Order out of chaos.

hmm...... that seems pretty ironic, they throw away order with the warning of an impending apocalypse just to grab it back again when it fails to appear..??

why not just hang on to it in the first place..?? ;)



:)SK

[cleft_asunder]

hmm...... that seems pretty ironic, they throw away order with the warning of an impending apocalypse just to grab it back again when it fails to appear..??

why not just hang on to it in the first place..?? ;)



:)SK

It won't fail to appear. The apocalypse is the precursor to the NWO manifesting. It is the pre-requisite. That's why the Apocalypse was added to the Bible, so that we would manifest that reality through belief instead of choosing our own future.

However, that is not to say that there aren't multiple time-lines happening at the same time as I said before. But that's where things get confusing.

[skunksmash]

ok..... & may i ask how ''you'' think this apocalypse will manifest itself....

meteor...

gravitational tsunami...

or something else..??


:)SK

[zilky]

Threadstarter presumes earth is a prison-planet?

That is a myth the patriarchy/ illuminati WANT you to believe. It is not nature that is the prison but concepts such as that that allow them to take control over you

YES, I admit they have power--means to lay waste the earth. stop your money, imprison you, taser, torture you. Yes that is real. BUT that does not mean earth is a prison planet. That just means very foolish people think they know whats what, and they dont and are making a complete fuck up of everything for ALL life

[ayomide]

Do I have something to confirm my theories? What, you can't do the work yourself? I discovered this a long time ago from reading many sources. One source is the 3 books called The Universal Seduction, another is David Icke, and the many sources on the net. It becomes common sense after a while what the main possibilities are. Proof? What is proof? I deal with evidence.

Why are you so desperate about it? You make it sound like being awake means something. What does it mean? We are both black sheep now.

Why so evasive?

You still failing to answer the question and I really do not like repeating myself 3 times.

Proof = evidence whatever you'd like to call it. What I clearly do see when I read your responses is that you don't fully understand what you saying. So now you being evasive because I may have hit a nerve - and you to afraid to admit you wrong - now please step on stage and provide evidence - you brought this up so now I'm waiting to see the evidence/proof to back up your claims - or shall I just dismiss your thread as cretinous rubbish?

[skunksmash]

Why so evasive?

Proof = evidence whatever you'd like to call it. What I clearly do see when I read your responses is that you don't fully understand what you saying. So now you being evasive because I may have hit a nerve - and you to afraid to admit you wrong - now please step on stage and provide evidence - you brought this up so now I'm waiting to see the evidence/proof to back up your claims - or shall I just dismiss your thread as cretenious?

yeah....proof proof proof!!! ;)

i love this place already...lol



:)SK

[ayomide]

yeah....proof proof proof!!! ;)

i love this place already...lol



:)SK

:p

[ayomide]

Sometimes I think that the New World Order religion has relationship with these cheap 2012 stuff. People here doesnt stop to think about the empty message of this thing and the trick that involves it...plus: is 2012 a secret?? come on... the media is giving it a lot of publicity, newspapers, television, internet...its full of 2012 stuff, many people knows about this and many people believes in it, I could be wrong, but in my opinion I think this is dirty trick probably invented and orquestrated by the same people behind the stages that these forum always points out.

2012 - mmm I agree with you on that - I get a feeling it's just a cover up to keep people occupied - because what the elites actually do fear is a conciousness much greater than what Icke or any other conspiracy theorist have envisioned. They have broken the barriers but they only skimmed the surface and broken free some chains but have refused to go deeper - It's just something in me that cannot align with it and I feel there's a deeper conciousness that is being unearthed but supressed by the elite.

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So now I am waiting for the Icke groupies to bite my head off and tell me I am wrong when they don't truly think for themselves and praise that man like he's Jesus. But can I please have that cup of tea before you do get at me peoplez ;)

[cleft_asunder]

Why so evasive?

You still failing to answer the question and I really do not like repeating myself 3 times.

Proof = evidence whatever you'd like to call it. What I clearly do see when I read your responses is that you don't fully understand what you saying. So now you being evasive because I may have hit a nerve - and you to afraid to admit you wrong - now please step on stage and provide evidence - you brought this up so now I'm waiting to see the evidence/proof to back up your claims - or shall I just dismiss your thread as cretinous rubbish?

If it's rubbish then so be it, as I'm not trying to convince anyone. And I have already answered your question. The answer to the question was and still is: Find the evidence yourself. If what I say is true, then there will be evidence. I present the idea, and if anyone is interested, they try to prove it to themselves. The point is presenting probable ideas, interesting ideas. But I can see why you ask for proof and evidence, it's because you haven't figured out one of the important rules to good research: Genuine unbiased adoption of an idea without evidence or proof. Once adopted, the idea self-validates itself or it crumbles. For example, if I adopt the idea that Reptilians exist, then the truth will become obvious as time progresses, unless I am biased one way or the other. In which case I will always conclude that Reptilians exist or not, but the truth will have nothing to do with the conclusion.

So as you can see, I really have nothing to do with proving my original idea.

[cleft_asunder]

So now I am waiting for the Icke groupies to bite my head off and tell me I am wrong when they don't truly think for themselves and praise that man like he's Jesus. But can I please have that cup of tea before you do get at me peoplez ;)

Maybe they praise him because they like him as an individual and respect his passion, weather they agree or not.

[whiterain]

ok..... & may i ask how ''you'' think this apocalypse will manifest itself....

meteor...

gravitational tsunami...

or something else..??


:)SK

hi skunky hows it going? i dont like making predictions like these involving some form of negative future events but in this case i just cant resist. heres what i possibly see happening. i generally reckon that we wont be divided, and even the dark will eventually rise and realise the error of their ways but here is a possibility. i think the elite will strengthen their control over the majority of mankind, essentially to a level where the illusion of free will disintegrates and people will start to realise the situation. this will lead to confusion and despair in many. i almost feel it could get to a level where they would have an almost puppet like control. just when things seem to be at their lowest, peoples spirits will be so distressed they will literally leap out of body as a defense mechanism.

on a positive note it could simply happen the way im sure many of us hope it will, with the light of truth permeating throughout an ever more connected world, and a gradually occuring awakening of the whole planet takes place. i feel some at the top would have to wake up for this to happen but i fear some of them are far more beyond help than us regular brainwashees


either way i reckon the outcome will make anything seem worth going through,as we all meet again on the other side, in the most amazing lucid dream imaginable

[ayomide]

Finally I can dismiss this thread as cretinous rubbish.

[whiterain]

glad to be of service. wouldnt want you wasting your time reading other peoples opinions

[cleft_asunder]

ok..... & may i ask how ''you'' think this apocalypse will manifest itself....

meteor...

gravitational tsunami...

or something else..??


:)SK

Why do you link the Apocalypse to disaster? It's not the end of the world, but rather the start of new ones. Apocalypse means 'to reveal.' And right now, the Illuminati are letting out all the secrets.

[14april2000]

You right about that. Most of the nwo researchers and alternative radio m/tv hosts are paid by the iluminati,to show us the human sheeps some very old secrets. But far from them all, it seems that they are mixing olds secret with lies.

[QUOTE] just enough to give you a picture about who is controlling the world

[cleft_asunder]

You right about that. Most of the nwo researchers and alternative radio m/tv hosts are paid by the iluminati,to show us the human sheeps some very old secrets. But far from them all, it seems that they are mixing olds secret with lies.

I'm not even going to comment on the implications of the Illuminati handing us the answers, because a whole book could be written about it.

[lightblessins]

just a quick word on the crop circle thing, i know poeple who av been making some of the crop circles in and around the avebury area for some yrs now, but they dont make them all, it is a 100% fact that some celetail beings are making these circles, celetails that are here, will not be showing the faces any time soon to us, they proberly wont until 2012 has passed, because they then will they know for sure that the humans they meet will be peaceful and loving. there is no proof but the proof u can prove to yourself! Blessins!:)

[skunksmash]

just a quick word on the crop circle thing, i know poeple who av been making some of the crop circles in and around the avebury area for some yrs now, but they dont make them all, it is a 100% fact that some celetail beings are making these circles, celetails that are here, will not be showing the faces any time soon to us, they proberly wont until 2012 has passed, because they then will they know for sure that the humans they meet will be peaceful and loving. there is no proof but the proof u can prove to yourself! Blessins!:)


surly we cant produce these mathematical splendor's with planks of wood & string..????:eek:

they remind me of a printer....... the image is processed & added to the field in layers, hence its mathematical precision...

how do we do it then..?? & are they any good..?? ;)



:)SK

[lightblessins]

surly we cant produce these mathematical splendor's with planks of wood & string..????:eek:

they remind me of a printer....... the image is processed & added to the field in layers, hence its mathematical precision...

how do we do it then..?? & are they any good..?? ;)



:)SK


not all r man made, last season the one at bubury hill, which was in the daily express, was 100% celetail, i think it was made by the planets of our solar systems, i think just by purely looking at them and walking in them most people who know something about them can work out which 1s r man made. some of them look really wonky, its quite funny.:D

[storm knight]

They haven't genetically modified there is the astral world they perpertrate into this world and into our pineal gland and manipulate our life forces.
Also they want us to panic suddenly, people will die this way perhaps quicker.
4. Is wrong, Mayans talked of those who came from the heaven to earth, there is the stenonychasarus fossil record I believe, theres the egyptian painting with an alien on, theres early homonoid cave painting.
Some aliens are going to rebel, for example not everyone eats meat, some people are vegetarians, aliens simple see us as cattle. They enslave us for materials.

[enddivision]

With regards to crop circles; i had read a few years back about the human forgers seeing unusual red lights in the sky, watching them make the circles. I think they (the aliens) are seeing it as a case of 'monkey see, monkey do'.
I'd be inclined to think that the 2012 event is a distraction, although there may be something happening on that year. I don't think that anything drastic will happen, probably another scare like foot and mouth or bird flu.
Any crisis causes the populace to rally behind the governments - "Help us! What are you gonna do to stop this?" - Resulting in the final push to the NWO.

[bowtiedaddy]

just a quick word on the crop circle thing, i know poeple who av been making some of the crop circles in and around the avebury area for some yrs now, but they dont make them all, it is a 100% fact that some celetail beings are making these circles, celetails that are here, will not be showing the faces any time soon to us, they proberly wont until 2012 has passed, because they then will they know for sure that the humans they meet will be peaceful and loving. there is no proof but the proof u can prove to yourself! Blessins!:)

I'm wondering if a bunch of freemasons or other secret society do the greater amount of them.

[bowtiedaddy]

With regards to crop circles; i had read a few years back about the human forgers seeing unusual red lights in the sky, watching them make the circles. I think they (the aliens) are seeing it as a case of 'monkey see, monkey do'.
I'd be inclined to think that the 2012 event is a distraction, although there may be something happening on that year. I don't think that anything drastic will happen, probably another scare like foot and mouth or bird flu.
Any crisis causes the populace to rally behind the governments - "Help us! What are you gonna do to stop this?" - Resulting in the final push to the NWO.

I wonder if David Rockefeller is riding around in those CIA experimental craft making the circles. *hehehehe*

[lightblessins]

I'm wondering if a bunch of freemasons or other secret society do the greater amount of them.

its a mix between these;

celetials light/dark
humans
illuminati
elementals
cosmic bodies:)

[storm knight]

With regards to crop circles; i had read a few years back about the human forgers seeing unusual red lights in the sky, watching them make the circles. I think they (the aliens) are seeing it as a case of 'monkey see, monkey do'.
I'd be inclined to think that the 2012 event is a distraction, although there may be something happening on that year. I don't think that anything drastic will happen, probably another scare like foot and mouth or bird flu.
Any crisis causes the populace to rally behind the governments - "Help us! What are you gonna do to stop this?" - Resulting in the final push to the NWO.
it isn't an event I don't think, it's a number of events that relate to planet Nibiru. I.e. first panic, next disease or whatever happens.
http://www.crawford2000.co.uk/3600vel.htm
Theres countless evidence everywhere.

[delamo1999]

It won't fail to appear. The apocalypse is the precursor to the NWO manifesting. It is the pre-requisite. That's why the Apocalypse was added to the Bible, so that we would manifest that reality through belief instead of choosing our own future.

However, that is not to say that there aren't multiple time-lines happening at the same time as I said before. But that's where things get confusing.

Cleft:

I agree with you on the multiple timelines. I don't know how good of an example this it, but I will use it anyways.

For the past 3 years, there have been lots of advertising in the US about the analog switch to digital. The big date was 17-Feb-09. However just last week, I read that they had postponed the switch for 4 months. I wonder if some greater shift in consciousness had any effect on this.

I myself have been meditating on changing my future to one that is golden and beautiful, as opposed to the one that our mass media is promoting. If there is a "Golden Age" coming, then I am going there.

:D

[pacoquerak]

did anyone here mention yet to cleft that we are part alien?

[takhisis]

[QUOTE=cleft_asunder;725757]Even if this 2012 stuff makes 100% sense, the reality is that Earth is a prison planet dominated for hundreds of thousands of years by other-dimensional entities. The first suspect as to who is giving us these messages are the Illuminati, or higher levels such as the Reptilians and Demons. They control humans so well that no aspect of society is independent of their carefully contrived control structure. For example, the whoe UFO community is fiilled with a bunch of naive researchers who always seem to lean in the direction of their comfort zones. This is because the UFO truth movement is controlled by the CIA, and they manipulate the community into reaching conclusions that protect the ET's. This is what they've manipulated the community into believing:

1. ET's are benevolant and send us messages through crop circles.

The reality is that not a single researcher knows that crop circles come from a benevolant source, yet that is what's established. This says a lot about human guilability, because humans seem to want to believe that ET's are "good" because it helps them sleep better at night.



WRONG , a very few crop cricles are legit , they just have been covered up by the goverment , there is reasearch to show this , one crop cricle is a message from a advanced civilation that was already decoded if you look at it from a ariel view its binary code- check out nassim haramein's lecture on you tube for visual comfermation of the crop circle not to mention that particular crop cricle was made in the pouring rain next to a military base next to the transmitter that sends a signal out to space

[size_of_light]

Don't take this the wrong way, because I love you all, but I really think you're quite mad. :p

A few books on the Mayan calendar and prophecies, a few diagrams showing the celestial alignments in that year, a few speakers with shady 'inside sources'...an industry now built around promoting the mystical significance of 2012.

Anything else?

Anything...cough...real?

It's all (often highly dubious) conjecture, mixed in with outright fabrications and lies.

Jeff Rense hit the nail on the head with the Mayan calendar when he basically said that it had to stop somewhere.

There does seem to be celestial alignments in 2012 that are interesting, but hardly unique...they happen all through history.

Personally, I think we're being played on the whole 2012 thing big time, and if it hasn't already become a pseudo-religion to you, and you can still examine the subject critically and be prepared to dismantle the whole myth surrounding it and be left with nothing special, then give that a go.

[deus_ex_is_real]

I think the problem with 2012 is the fact that there are so many theories about it. From a bible perspective 2012 will probably mark the end of the world as God re-arranges the universe. God will also purge the earth of all the evil including the NWO, Illuminati and the 'Freekmasons'.

I did read somewhere that the NWO are trying hard to prevent the Second Coming because they know full well that their game will be finally up and they will be at God's mercy. This can be interpreted from Revelations. The poles will flip (God's wrath?) and there will be pestilence on the land.

All life on earth will pass away, and the faithful will be resurrected. In case you are not a believer you may probably end up in purgatory awaiting promotion to heaven as it were. With the incoming cashless society this will bring every christians nightmare...the mark of the beast.
God knows what the NWO are up to.

Once 2012 has been complete, a new world will begin without the evil.
But of course this is from the biblical perspective. Universal love will reign forever.

[eyepod]

just a quick word on the crop circle thing, i know poeple who av been making some of the crop circles in and around the avebury area for some yrs now, but they dont make them all, it is a 100% fact that some celetail beings are making these circles, celetails that are here, will not be showing the faces any time soon to us, they proberly wont until 2012 has passed, because they then will they know for sure that the humans they meet will be peaceful and loving. there is no proof but the proof u can prove to yourself! Blessins!:)

What do you reckon on this crop circle? Celetails or another species of space aliens - fox aliens possibly? What would you say is their message for human kind here?

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&om=1&z=16&ll=45.123785,-123.113962&spn=0.012112,0.024097&t=h

http://scienceblogs.com/corpuscallosum/images/firefox-crop-circle.jpg

[skunksmash]

What do you reckon on this crop circle? Celetails or another species of space aliens - fox aliens possibly? What would you say is their message for human kind here?

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&om=1&z=16&ll=45.123785,-123.113962&spn=0.012112,0.024097&t=h

http://scienceblogs.com/corpuscallosum/images/firefox-crop-circle.jpg


lol...... the message is...''IE8 is crap, FF3 FTW!!'' :rolleyes:






:)SK

[humito]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8701042459684666916

I believe terrences ideas should be studied before 2012 is dismissed.

he arrived at that date ( OR PERIOD OF TIME AROUND THAT DATE) before he found out about the mayan calender etc...........will there be one final event on the precise date ?? who can tell ............ but the process is underway and peaks around that time............what will happen after? who can tell ? maybe space/time will start to flow backwards,maybe time will become irrellevent...........truth revealed etc...........whatever the score i dont believe it will be buisness as usual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1o_P-u1yXA&feature=channel_page

also a study of synchromysticism and popular culture will reveal what is being unconciously felt and how TPTB are trying to effect our thinking etc......unconciously through films etc.............SOUNDLESS DAWN who made the above video is a master at unravelling all this.................

[whiterain]

hi humito. for the time going backwards thing i like david wilcocks explanation of space-time (normal reality) and time-space (astral). its in the 2012 enigma vid. essentially describes it as here you can move through space yet not time, but on the other side you move through time yet not space as we know it

[skunksmash]

hi humito. for the time going backwards thing i like david wilcocks explanation of space-time (normal reality) and time-space (astral). its in the 2012 enigma vid. essentially describes it as here you can move through space yet not time, but on the other side you move through time yet not space as we know it

i watched that, it was bloody good.....;)


in (space-time) matter is 3D & time is linear, but once you flip over, (time-space) time becomes 3d & matter (or yourself) becomes linear allowing you to be in many different places at the same time....


its quite upsetting that for ''modern man'' we can no longer access the pineal gland at will.... ours has been suppressed since birth & poisoned over the years....:(



:)SK

[humito]

hi humito. for the time going backwards thing i like david wilcocks explanation of space-time (normal reality) and time-space (astral). its in the 2012 enigma vid. essentially describes it as here you can move through space yet not time, but on the other side you move through time yet not space as we know it

i will have a look .thanks:)

[size_of_light]

What do you guys think of David Wilcock?

I watched that vid, and I'm not sure about him. He bases a lot of his information on very dubious sources that can't be verified, and as a person I don't get a feeling he's being 100% legit.

His presentation on the pineal gland was top notch though.

[skunksmash]

he does come across as a schoolboy with a secret....:p

& his talk on stargate's was highly unconvincing, but i have since see another guy called ''Dan burish'' who was far more convincing & their stories matched...:confused:


is this David Wilcock a psychic..?? i dont think he has a military background..??




:)SK

[size_of_light]

he does come across as a schoolboy with a secret....:p

& his talk on stargate's was highly unconvincing, but i have since see another guy called ''Dan burish'' who was far more convincing & their stories matched...:confused:


is this David Wilcock a psychic..?? i dont think he has a military background..??




:)SK

From what I gathered Burisch (whom I've read about in Nexus magazine) is one of Wilcock's main sources.

You're right - schoolboy with a secret type thing, is a good description.

I'm tired of researchers who only leak out information on a need-to-know basis like this guy, and as much as I admire Michael Tsarion, he's as guilty of it as anyone.

Think that's why I dig the Ickester so much: he hits you with his complete picture and doesn't play the "Here's exactly what happened with the Manhattan Project" or "This is precisely what happened with Atlantis and Lemuria" bullshit.

That sort of approach is starting to ring very hollow with me.