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[solve_et_coagula]

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[hagbard_celine]

One of the paragraphs in the Ten Steps to Fascism article included: "Military service is glorified and glamourized", and isn't it just! The media and conventional society in general portrays soldiers as superhuman man-gods. I remember during the firemen's strike a few years ago, the news came on the TV asking whether the Army's "Green Goddess" fire engines were up to the task of modern firefighting. Someone who was watching with me said: "Why not just let them use modern fire engines?" I said "They're not trained to use them." My neighbour replied: "Training? These are soldiers! They don't need training."

And what does this public mindset have on the soldiers themselves? If you are talking to someone and they're in the military then within 2 to three sentences they will find some way to slip it into the discussion. They are programmed to believe that they are automatically superior to anyone else present and that is why they want to tell people so badly. In my experience, they get quite annoyed by those who are not effected by their perceived status. I remember talking only last month in a pub to a man who was an Army medic who'd just come back from Iraq. He got upset when I didn't show any interest in the subject and tried talking about something else. I've found that if soldiers are in a pub in uniform they can become peeved even more easily, by people who simply don't look at them. I was once challenged in London by a group of uniformed soldiers in a pub because I walked passed their table seeming to be unaware of their presence.

My ex-girlfriend told me a few weeks ago that her son has just joined the Army. I didn't reply. I was torn between wanting to warn her and not upsetting her with what I know, which she has no control over.

The media pours copious prestige on the military. The catchphrase in the UK is "our brave boys". They also repeatedly drone about the dangers of warfare and the "courage" of those who face them. But according to my almanac, there are a number of jobs that are more dangerous than modern military service (generally; I can't speak for elite units like the SAS): deep-sea diver, demolition worker, fisherman, coal miner. Where's all the new headlines about "Our brave miners" and "Trawler hero dies so that we can enjoy our fish fingers."? The fact is that British army, Royal Navy and RAF has not fought an equal enemy since the Axis powers of WWII; since then they have only taken on far weaker forces. (Some of those forces muight be numerically superior, like in the Falklands War, but anyone who knows anything about war will know that numbers are not everything. Argentina used untrained kids to fight that war.)

There are several reasons for this distortion, but the main one is that without all the glory and machismo of being a soldier, who would do the job?

[eternal_spirit]

Well put hagbard.

It's drummed into us from an early age soldiers are heroes, nothing could be further from the truth. I'm tired of all the fighting.
If people refused to join the Military there wouldn't be anyone to fight these wars.

They alwasys make an excuse to go to war. In Iraqu they say it's to free the Iraqui people from dicators such as Saddam. Yet they bombed the crap out of Iraqu, it don't add up all the innocents who died.

Then they say it's the oil, that's another lie. There is more oil and capped oil wells in Canada ( Alaska ) than oil in Iraqui!

Then we have the women with the uniform fetish, who go on to breed even more pyschopaths. violent ones are seen as strong while peacfeull ones are viewed as weak. films like An Officer and a Gentleman don't help with this issue.

I think it takes alot more courage, strength, to live,work and survive in normal society than it does to be a soldier in someone else war.

Would the Iraqui's or any other Nation.... come to recuse the Americans or the English if we were under the rule of a war like genicidol dictaorship. I think not!

[hagbard_celine]

I think it takes alot more courage, strength, to live,work and survive in normal society than it does to be a soldier in someone else war.


You're damn right it does! Going onto a battlefield is a piece of cake compared to holding your head up every day of your life, keeping on being happy and being kind and loving, against the raging torrent of demoralizing abuse and humiliation that a soldier in the Conformist Regime never has to face. The gunshells of envy, humiliation, opporessioin whistle over our trenches and explode in the mud of our hearts. To resist that is what I call "Valour"

Here's something I should quote because it summs it up perfectly:

"Universal soldier" by Donovan (1965)

He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four,
He fights with missiles and with spears.
He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen,
Been a soldier for a thousand years.

He'a a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain,
A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew.
And he knows he shouldn't kill,
And he knows he always will,
Kill you for me my friend and me for you.

And he's fighting for Canada,
He's fighting for France,
He's fighting for the USA,
And he's fighting for the Russians,
And he's fighting for Japan,
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way.

And he's fighting for Democracy,
He's fighting for the Reds,
He says it's for the peace of all.
He's the one who must decide,
Who's to live and who's to die,
And he never sees the writing on the wall.

But without him,
How would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau?
Without him Caesar would have stood alone,
He's the one who gives his body
As a weapon of the war,
And without him all this killing can't go on.

He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame,
His orders come from far away no more,
They come from here and there and you and me,
And brothers can't you see,
This is not the way we put the end to war.

If no one turns up it can ruin a party. So what if they had a war and no one turned up?

[danielg]

Switch BBC 1 on now for a prime example of military hivemindedness... lots of impotent blokes walking in uniformity thinking it represents phallic strength.

[emtec]

Hagbard even thought you added this (Some of those forces might be numerically superior, like in the Falklands War, but anyone who knows anything about war will know that numbers are not everything. Argentina used untrained kids to fight that war.) which you didn't know until i pointed it out you are still wrong. Argentina used a force mostly made up of conscripts but they are not untrained kids.

As you have been shown GB was very fortunate to win that war. The only reason GB defeated Argenteena is because of 2 or 3 major tactical blunders by the Argentinian command but hey you were there you know all about it dont you.

Going onto a battlefield is a piece of cake you say well bollocks hagbard i fart in your general direction.