Words of wisdom from Paramahamsa Hariharananda

[orbandsceptre27]

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- Your peace is your birthright.

- Be calmly active and compassionately detached.

- Try to understand your own mind and thinking. If you can understand yourself better, then you can understand others better.

- However insignificant it appears to be, an insect, a bug, straw, anything, it is the power of God.

- With sincere effort you can be in the world, but be free from temptation and attachments.

- People are attracted and fascinated by the packet or covering. This world is a beautiful creation. It is a covering. Truth is hidden underneath it.

- There are very few who are ready to accept Truth in daily life and live accordingly. Truth is the only way to freedom.

- When the desire disappears, there is the beginning of bliss. Every desire or thought is the state of incompleteness. Completeness is the state of harmony, bliss and love.

- As a person separates stones from the foodstuff before cooking, one should carefully separate unnecessary thoughts and emotions from one`s own life.

- A master is one in whose presence you should feel extreme calmness of mind.

- God has made you for a purpose. Do you know what that is? God- realization.

- First of all, your body should be sound, then you can meditate.

- Breath control is self-control. Breath mastery is self-mastery. The breathlessness stage is the deathlessness stage.

- In the world everyone is busy with the worldly play, but not watching the operator - the Cosmic Operator of this play.

- You should learn how to talk. Have thorough control over your speech.

- Meditate on God and be God. Meditate on guru and be guru.

- Every moment watch the change in your life.

- If you practice, remaining focused on the soul, then the whole day you will feel liberated.

- Enjoy God in every breath.

- That which the eyes cannot see, but Who helps the eyes to see - know that alone is God.

- When all activities are finished and you are merging in the soul, then you experience the formless stage.

- Emotion is not meditation. When emotion is finished and one is motionless, then one will be able to meditate.

- The spine is the principal part of the body. By magnetizing the spine you can get all-accomplishing divine wealth, which in turn hastens your physical, mental, and intellectual change.

- If you watch your soul in your every thought, word and deed, then you are immortal. All your worldly diseases will dissappear.

- Heaven and hell are within you. Happiness and unhappiness are within you. Liberation and bondage are within you. Divinity and devils are within you. You are to accept one and avoid the other.

- If you have anger, pride, ego, and hatred, eradicate all those devil qualities from yourself.

- The more you read, the more you will be puzzled. Even if you read all the books in the entire library, you are not going to be realized.

- If you really want to meditate, then you are to go beyond your mind, thought, intellect, ego, body consciousness, and worldly consciousness.

- Love is the principal thing.

- In the jungle of the body there is a flower - the soul - that never dies, that never dries, that is ever luminous, ever fragrant, ever new, and ever fresh.

Namaste.



http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/ay/contents.html

http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/ay/26.html

[mcmenek1]

Hi orbandsceptre27,

Wise words indeed.......thanks for sharing :)

Love
&
Peace

[orbandsceptre27]

Hi orbandsceptre27,

Wise words indeed.......thanks for sharing :)

Love
&
Peace



Hi Mcmenek1,

Yes my friend he was a very wise teacher. I never had the privilege of meeting him but know a few who have. His wisdom will not be forgotten.

Namaste :)

[orbandsceptre27]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-PrGQ1-82so&feature=channel_page
The Unreal Truth about Yogananda, Anandamayi Ma and Babaji


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FygdYhu2oTc&feature=channel_page
Paramahansa Yogananda and Swami Sri Yukteswar

[faulconandsnowjob]

Hey, Orb, great thread! So, I'm just going to say what my experience has been w/ respect to this statement:

- The more you read, the more you will be puzzled. Even if you read all the books in the entire library, you are not going to be realized.

I would agree that it takes more than reading. IMO, we have access to truth & knowledge at a higher level - we know it at a sub-conscious level, but it's not available to us consciously. So, in my experience, reading is often the mechanism I use to pull that information into my conscious awareness. Not always, but frequently. So, I think it's a combination of meditation & information-gathering (reading, a lot of times). But, of course, this is coming from a gnana yogi :)

[orbandsceptre27]

Hey, Orb, great thread! So, I'm just going to say what my experience has been w/ respect to this statement:

Hi Faulcon and thanks :).


I would agree that it takes more than reading. IMO, we have access to truth & knowledge at a higher level - we know it at a sub-conscious level, but it's not available to us consciously. So, in my experience, reading is often the mechanism I use to pull that information into my conscious awareness. Not always, but frequently. So, I think it's a combination of meditation & information-gathering (reading, a lot of times). But, of course, this is coming from a gnana yogi :)

Yes I agree with you - reading is so important and one of the greatest gifts we have to accumulate knowledge and so bring forth understanding and greater wisdom. I must read up further on gnana yoga as I`m not familiar with it. I think you said before that it`s part of the Hindu tradition, so I`ve no doubt it has many benefits.

With respect to the statement - "The more you read the more you will be puzzled. Even if you read all the books in the entire library, you are not going to be realized."

It reminds me of a Zen story. A great Zen monk had been searching for enlightenment his whole life. He accumulated a vast store of books and became very knowledgable, yet enlightenment alluded him.

He kept up his meditation and one day he glimpsed cosmic consciousness attaining the state of a free soul. What did he do next? - He burnt his great store of books to the ground ........ Why?


To me reading is fantastic but I think to become free we have to stop this incessant thinking. Reading will keep us on the same level of consciousness/mind identification, yet we can never fully encapsulate all through the mind.

Here is a very interesting piece I read yesterday from a poster on this forum named David Williams (aka Sevenworlds). This poster seems to have attained a high degree of enlightenment/detachment and is very aware/perceptive.

The following piece is best left untouched -

Sevenworlds - It's not an easy thing to explain but basically the concept of "table" is only there when the situation calls for it. If I am sitting alone looking at the object we call "a table", why do I need to constantly recognise it as "a table"? That is a needless and excessive use of memory. But that is what 99% of people in this world are doing all the time. As a child, once we have been taught what all these objects around us are, they start to become dead to us. So once we've put the label "table" on it, everytime we look at it there is a recognition of it as a "table" and so we don't really see what is there. The word "table" is like a veil that covers what is actually there.

The word itself is harmless but we build images around the words and that's where the trouble starts because then we think we know what it is. We then believe there is somebody (ie. ourselves) who is looking at this object called "table" when in reality all that is there is the word "table". If the image around that word disappears then "you" disappear and that frightens us and is what keeps us in this illusion.

When this "you" goes you don't know what is left. There seems to still be this body here, you have your name and knowledge about yourself but none of it means much anymore. It is like this entity, in my case, David William, is someone else. He comes into play when there is a demand and then he goes again. I don't know how that happens, that is a mystery. That all the knowledge you have acquired can still be there, somewhere in the background, but you don't carry it around and yet it comes forward when it's needed.

So, if I am sitting with people, and I'm looking at the table, there is nobody there recognising it as a table. In that moment I don't know what I'm looking at. But then if somebody asks me "what are you looking at?", the person known as David William comes forward and answers "the table" and then goes again.

So David William is a creation of society. Nothing to do with me. They gave me this name, told me this land I was born in is called Scotland, decide my successes and failures, what kind of person I am, all of that stuff. To me it means nothing really, it's all just words. So to me "David William" is no different from "table" or from "Scottish" or whatever. They are just descriptive words that have no value without the common agreement of others. That's what the illusion is. That we believe in all these things. Humans must believe in something. If you don't believe then "you" are no longer there anymore because each one of us is a walking collection of beliefs.

The one referred to as "me" in all of the above is the mystery. I don't know what that is and it can never be known but it is just watching all of this uninvolved. I don't even know what I am saying here. I'm sincerely not trying to be smart, but I really don't know if this makes any sense at all. I'm not working all this out by thought, that's why I go on a bit. There is no filter here, trying to put forward a concise, convincing theory. The words are just being spewed out in some way I don't understand and it's up to you to make what you will of it.

An excellent description coming from a state of compassionate non-attachment/no-mind. All the reading and all the books in a library will not take somebody into this state if they are not ready to do so themselves.

I believe meditation is a great tool to help step out of the mass conditioning we`ve received from our first days in this world. By frequently journeying into no-mind we can break the ego/mind-identificaion trap we`ve fallen victim to. However as Sevenworlds has pointed out, we must break with the cause/effect linear thinking. Everything is in the here and now - there is no journey.


There is nothing wrong with the mind, but unfortunately this world is the mind out of control. The mind is controlling humanity instead of humanity controlling the mind. Once we break this ego-identification we are once again fully in control. So reading those who are coming from no-mind is of great benefit. People like Eckhart Tolle, Krishnamurti, any of the great Zen teachers and posters like Sevenworlds who have made the leap.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Gnana yoga is the path of knowledge. "Yoga" means "yoke," so it's like you yoke yourself to the Divine. There are 3 main types of yoga - gnana, raja & karma. It's disputed whether bhakti is its own or an aspect of the others... So, anyway, someone like me who is on the path of gnana yoga will combine meditation & learning to come closer to God. Although, I'm starting to think that it's a combination of the 3 (or 4), but one is predominant...

So, what does it mean to be "awake"? Well, I think it means that you realize that you are a conscious mind/soul living in a holographic reality, that you are one part of a greater whole & everything has consciousness & intelligence. It also means that you know what you are, & why you're here. Unfortunately, 3rd dimensional reality is very dense, & so our understanding here is limited. That's just the nature of the beast, I'm afraid. But, once you understand some things, it's easier to be detached & all of that :)

[orbandsceptre27]

^ Thanks for that Faulcon. There are so many different paths to God, as they say just pick one and stay on it.

I would disagree though on one point about being "awake" (and I`m not close to being fully enlightened or anything). I would say being awake means not knowing what you are and having no idea what to do, or why. The mind always wants to be convinced it knows this, that or the other. When you`re out of the mind even for a short time you haven`t a clue what/who you are, you just "are." It`s pretty threatening to the ego but that`s how it is.

Yes this reality seems to limit us - we are born into it and then trained/conditioned into creating an ego. But like you said, once you begin to understand some things, it`s easier to become detached.

[orbandsceptre27]

Ivonne Delaflor (Swami Amenai) claims to have channelled a book from "the Deathless Master" Sri Babaji Nagaraj, through automatic writing back in 2004.

Whatever peoples opinions` are regarding Babaji (or automatic writing for that matter) I think many will find the following pages valuable in their own lives, whether it be through parenting or connecting with the inner child which resides within each of us.

http://www.deeptrancenow.com/sacredmessagesforparents.pdf

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ I channel, so I know it's possible :)

I would say being awake means not knowing what you are and having no idea what to do, or why.
I would say you are starting to wake up at this point :)

Anyway, I get certain things will keep people asleep. I think it's b/c they are of a low-vibration. Here's my little list of things to avoid: meat, wheat, dairy products, alcohol, caffeine, sugar, fluoride, & nicotine.

[orbandsceptre27]

Anyway, I get certain things will keep people asleep. I think it's b/c they are of a low-vibration. Here's my little list of things to avoid: meat, wheat, dairy products, alcohol, caffeine, sugar, fluoride, & nicotine.


Unfortunately here in Ireland fluoride is added to all mains water. We`re one of the few countries left in Europe that still add fluoride. I agree it`s pure poison. Masaru Emoto showed pictures of water crystals which came from fluoridated water and they looked terrible, little shape/symmetry - the water just looked dead!

I still eat meat (a limited amount of red meat) but more fish and white meat. I agree that the less meat eaten the better physically, mentally and spiritually for an individual. I don`t see the need to eat it in the first place and may give it up completely in the near future. The largest land animals on the planet, elephants, are vegetarian so this idea that we need meat for protein is more conditioning than anything else imo.

Another thing I`ve read recently (for anyone who eats steak) an individual uses up much more energy breaking down/digesting the steak in their stomachs than is actually contained in the steak in the first place. No wonder people feel worn out after eating a meat dinner. Seemingly meat-eaters in the wild (lions, tigers etc.) will always go for the preys` intestines first and the actual meat (what we eat) as a last resource. So the meat which we eat is actually slowing down our metabolism (and probably also our vibration).

Sugar is a drug and I believe it shouldn`t be added to any food. I`m off it for the last two weeks and hope to stay off it completely (as in, buy food which contains absolutely no sugar). It`s not as hard to give up as people think. Sugar seems to be in everything, but people would be surprised if they went out and looked. There`s much more food out there now containing no added sugar.

I still eat dairy (though I hear it`s a big no no), nicotine is out as I don`t smoke. I love tea, not so much coffee, so I`m still taking in caffeine, still eating wheat. Alcohol...... well I`m Irish so I pore it on my cornflakes :D. Naah..... I don`t overdo the alcohol, but am partial to a few nice pots of the black stuff :).

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ That's great that you're off of some of that stuff. I encourage everyone to get off of meat. I think this is especially important for a spiritual person.

I'm allergic to wheat & caffeine. I don't handle meat, sugar, dairy, or alcohol well, either. I love cigarettes, but I haven't had one since April. I really hate that fluoride is added to the water. Fluoride Action Network was on Coast to Coast AM last night, so at least people are starting to become more aware that it's a poison. Where I lived last year didn't add fluoride, so I was able to finally get away from it. Not sure where I live now... Anyway, I think those municipalities that force fluoride on people might be looking at some liability in tort for the health problems it causes, such as thyroid problems.

Well, anyway, once I got away from the things on the list [meat, wheat, dairy products, alcohol, caffeine, sugar, fluoride, & nicotine], I was able to wake up :)

[faulconandsnowjob]

Oh, shoot, I forgot to put aspartame on the list. Aspartame is a neuro-toxin to be avoided at all cost :eek: When chemtrails are out, stay in or wear protective clothing. Who knows what chemicals & diseases are in them :eek:

[delamo1999]

^ That's great that you're off of some of that stuff. I encourage everyone to get off of meat. I think this is especially important for a spiritual person.

I'm allergic to wheat & caffeine. I don't handle meat, sugar, dairy, or alcohol well, either. I love cigarettes, but I haven't had one since April. I really hate that fluoride is added to the water. Fluoride Action Network was on Coast to Coast AM last night, so at least people are starting to become more aware that it's a poison. Where I lived last year didn't add fluoride, so I was able to finally get away from it. Not sure where I live now... Anyway, I think those municipalities that force fluoride on people might be looking at some liability in tort for the health problems it causes, such as thyroid problems.

Well, anyway, once I got away from the things on the list [meat, wheat, dairy products, alcohol, caffeine, sugar, fluoride, & nicotine], I was able to wake up :)



I wish that the city counsels in my area would wake up to the truth about the awful poison flouride. I can't believe that the masses still believe the lies that are pushed on them about the stuff being good for teeth; it couldn't be further from the truth.

I have taken it upon myself to tell people about it. Most are not aware that it is bad for you. I have googled the word flouride and have found many websites explaining why it is bad for you. When some people give me a puzzled look when I talk about flouride, I say to them to just google it and find out for themselves.

:)

[faulconandsnowjob]

This is the website for the Fluoride Action Network: http://www.fluoridealert.org/

There are some class-action lawsuits being commenced against municipalities by people who have been injured by fluoride poisoning. I think once cities realize they can be held liable for damages caused by fluoride, they might stop. I hope so!

Didn't Hitler put fluoride in the water to keep prisoners pacified? Or is that just a rumor?

[orbandsceptre27]

Didn't Hitler put fluoride in the water to keep prisoners pacified? Or is that just a rumor?

Yes Hitler fluoridated the water which was pumped into the Jewish ghettos. Seemingly the Nazis got the idea from Stalin who found he could cut his guard staff to 25% after fluoridation. German scientists at the time agreed that it diminished intellect and made prisoners more manageable and docile.

And this stuff is added to our water :eek:. In Ireland fluoridisation of the water is backed by the dental profession i.e It`s good for teeth et al. I`ve read somewhere that it makes little or no difference to tooth decay at all. Something has to be done!

[orbandsceptre27]

I wish that the city counsels in my area would wake up to the truth about the awful poison flouride. I can't believe that the masses still believe the lies that are pushed on them about the stuff being good for teeth; it couldn't be further from the truth.

I have taken it upon myself to tell people about it. Most are not aware that it is bad for you.

Keep up the good work!

[delamo1999]

This is the website for the Fluoride Action Network: http://www.fluoridealert.org/

There are some class-action lawsuits being commenced against municipalities by people who have been injured by fluoride poisoning. I think once cities realize they can be held liable for damages caused by fluoride, they might stop. I hope so!

Didn't Hitler put fluoride in the water to keep prisoners pacified? Or is that just a rumor?


Thanks for posting this as I did not realize that there are lawsuits out against these people. Now I am really waiting for the **** to hit the fan. Not only is it bad for one's teeth, it blocks the pineal gland from opening up all the way. Not good if you aske me.

:)

[miranda]

Hey

Just to say, re the whole table/group consensus thing: I've thought that that's what they do with the whole 'class' thing. There's no real difference between us, so they have to invent differences. Accents/table manners/etiquette, etc etc. Obviously, the major, major difference is money = land and power and food, etc etc, but all the 'little' things add up to an entrenched, 'deep' view of the (false) hierarchy.

Re eating meat/fluoride - I don't know. I was a vegetarian for ten years, and a vegan/raw food vegan for about 9 months, and in the end I had to give up and go back to meat. Given that this whole experience is an illusion, then the whole meat/vegetarian thing is just part of the illusion/matrix, and has nothing to do with being 'spiritual'. Vegan or carnivore, you still have to eat another life form to survive. I WISH WISH WISH it wasn't so. The fact that it is, is one of my main reasons for thinking this Matrix ain't good .

The fact that the New Age trumpets vegetarianism is another reason for me to wonder about it. Stewart Swerdlow says that humans need red meat to replace cells - otherwise they just fade, like a carbon copy that runs out of ink. DON'T all respond that that's rubbish; you've never been healthier(!)

I wish I could stay vegetarian, but I can't. I appreciate that those who follow the raw vegan diet look absolutely beautiful and glowing in the photos they submit on the raw food forum; and that many, many vegetarians are v v fit, healthy and strong. I just haven't found, in my own experience, that it's a viable long-term diet. I wish it was. In fact, I wish I didn't have to eat ANY life form. But the Earth itself is a carnivore ... (!) Everything absorbs everything here, on every level. One reason life here is hell, and attaining peace is so difficult. The energy/food cycle rarely stops. When it does, and there's Love in the room, you can feel the difference; the dimension change. And the peole who bring Love/you feel Love with, follow every diet under the sun, because the diet of the illusion is immaterial to Love of the reality.

NOT that I don't think slaughterhouses have an effect on the whole 'lower vibrations' of Earth - but that vibration's here anyway. Ain't nature grand ....

[faulconandsnowjob]

it blocks the pineal gland from opening up all the way.
That's what I suspected. It keeps people asleep.

About meat - I'm sorry, but I think it also must keep the pineal gland from opening. I know it keeps people asleep. It's not just new agers who tout vegetarianism. Hindus, Buddhists & Jains do, too. Personally, I think not eating meat is a prerequisite to waking up. I've been vegetarian for 9 yrs, & I'll never, ever eat meat again (gross :-P). Actually, my body doesn't process it well - never did. I think once you get to a certain point, your body will reject low-vibrational foods. It is absolutely not necessary to eat meat to live. It's much healthier NOT to eat meat. It's just TPTB that keep pushing meat b/c they like all the negative energy they put out into the world by torturing those poor animals to death (who are, btw, intellectually & spiritually more advanced than many humans). I don't agree w/ Stewart Swerdlow at all on the meat thing. I am suspicious about him. I think he's disinfo. Yes, he says truth, but also lies mixed in. JMO.

[miranda]

Hey Falconandsnowjob

I don't mean this to be read as an aggressive response: it's just my p.o.v.

We'll have to agree to differ on this one. I don't like the idea that 'once your body reaches a certain vibrational point, you reject meat.' That's just not borne out at all in my experience, and I don't like the hierarchical qualities of it. Re Hinduism and Budhism - I think a lot of the dictatorial, hierarchical qualities of these religions speak for themselves. Don't know about Janism. And a lot of Indians are vegetarians, not because they choose to be, but because they have to be.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Miranda, that's fine. You can keep eating meat, but you're just shooting yourself in the foot if you want to advance spiritually. JMO.

[miranda]

Hey

Hadn't finished(!)

Was going to add: studies have shown that plants feel great pain and fear also. So if you're a vegetarian, you're still consuming pain and fear. On quite a large level ... Linda Goodman, in 'Star Signs', has a chapter on this.

As regards the idea of 'spirituality' - hmmm. Some of the most 'spiritual' people I've met have been carnivores, while some of the nastiest have been vegetarians. I think turning something into an Absolute puts a lot of unnecessary strain on you, and puts you into the land of polarity and hierarchy - and that's the Matrix.

Unless you can be a breatharian, you're going to be consuming something that would much rather have stayed alive, and WILL have put out distress vibes as it dies. A lot of people used to think animals didn't feel emotion. Some scientists still think that. In the future, we're probably going to see a similar realisation as to the emotions of plants. We're already waking up to the fact that plants flourish if you talk to them with love.

I've thought for ages now that some people find it easier to be vegetarians, and I wonder if the blood group does have something to do with it. But to say that's akin to a 'higher' vibration ... noooo. That's just placing yourself in a 'higher' spot on the pyramid ... You can't 'advance spiritually' when we are all already All That Is ... 'advancement' is a time and space illusion and the pressure it puts on you is intense, can lead to self-loathing, and above all, as I've said, it invites polarity. In order to think of what you want to be, you have, on some subconscious level, to think of what you're not, and that keeps you in the 'trap'.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Was going to add: studies have shown that plants feel great pain and fear also. So if you're a vegetarian, you're still consuming pain and fear.
Sure they do. It doesn't hurt an apple tree to eat an apple, tho.

Indian religions advocates vegetarianism b/c it's the moral/right thing to do, plus it furthers spiritual growth, or at least, doesn't hinder it like meat consumption does.

Some people are at a higher vibration, and some people are awake. I'm sorry if that bothers you, but it's a fact. For those people, being around low vibrational things is very unpleasant.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Srila Prabhupada said:

The animal-killers are dangerous elements on the path going back to Godhead… [O]nly the animal-killer cannot relish the transcendental message of the Supreme Lord. Therefore if people are to be educated to the path of Godhead, they must be taught… to stop the process of animal killing.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Many Hindus are vegetarian because ahimsa (do no harm) is an important moral value.

“Animal food is never meant for the civilized man…” (Srimad Bhagavatam: First Canto-Part One, supra at 379-80)

“When man is uncivilized, he kills poor animals and eats them.” (His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, The Science of Self-Realization 131 (The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust 1998) (1968).)

“[T]he religious human being is not meant to … eat animals.” (His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, The Science of Self-Realization 131 (The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust 1998) (1968).)

“A person who eats these foods [meat, fish, and eggs] participates in a conspiracy of violence against helpless animals and thus stops his spiritual progress dead in its tracks.” (Sri Isopanisad 156 (His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada trans., The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust 1996) (1969).)

[faulconandsnowjob]

To achieve “the goal of human life – reawakening the soul’s original relationship with God,” (Sri Isopanisad at 152) one must follow a diet of prasadam, (Id. at 151) which is food that has become spiritualized by being prepared for and offered to [the Lord] with love and devotion. (Id.)

This food must be vegetarian. Lord Krishna states that “[t]he leaf or
flower or fruit or water that he offers with devotion, I take from the man of self-restraint in response to his devotion.” (The Bhagavad-Gita at 86) “From this verse it is understood that [one] can offer Krishna foods prepared from milk products, vegetables, fruits, nuts and grains.” (Sri Isopanisad at 152) Meat, fish and eggs cannot be offered to the Lord because they “are saturated with the modes of passion and ignorance.” (Id. at 152, 156).

[element]

You can't 'advance spiritually' when we are all already All That Is ... 'advancement' is a time and space illusion and the pressure it puts on you is intense, can lead to self-loathing, and above all, as I've said, it invites polarity. In order to think of what you want to be, you have, on some subconscious level, to think of what you're not, and that keeps you in the 'trap'.

I disagree.

We are not already ''all that is'', simply if we were, then we certainly wouldn't be here, and be confused humans and questioning life.
We are humans and we are all annoying brats who can only speculate about life. We can all experience something spiritual, but
unless you are free of this time/matter world forever, your just keep coming back, be it after your spiritual experience or another life, whatever.

[ianw]

[QUOTE=orbandsceptre27;723273]

- The more you read, the more you will be puzzled. Even if you read all the books in the entire library, you are not going to be realized.



Its a no brainer.What I understand this far as came from reading.These two sentences have left me puzzled.:confused::confused:

[miranda]

Faulconandsnowjob, you wrote: 'Some people are at higher vibration, and some people are awake', etc. No, to me, that's an expression of a hierarchy. And today's 'facts' are tomorrow's fictions ...

You write that being around 'low vibrational things' is 'unpleasant' for such people. Actually, being around low vibrational things is unpleasant for most people.

KITTENS eat meat. Do you dislike being around kittens/cats/dogs?? And please don't make me bring out the hoary old chestnut that 'Hitler was a vegetarian.' So was at least one serial killer ...

Are you telling me that all you eat are the fruits/veg that have fallen to the ground? I don't mean this to get nasty, but you're actually being slightly insulting, and implying you're on a somehow 'higher' plane than us carnivores, and to me, that's just not something someone on a really 'higher' plane would say/think, because they'd know all is equal, and they don't exist as 'higher than ...' ... that 'higher planes/vibrations' are still part of the Matrix trap of inequality.

And to think you're on a 'higher' plane than somebody else isn't to Love them; it's to treat them as less than; and thus not know them fully. And that'll put more stress on you to remain 'higher than' ... and that stress has to come out somewhere ...

It's just another corporate structure ... I doubt Love works on the pyramid system.

Element - I think we keep getting trapped here, or that this is all a dream. We're 'confused humans' in part because very little here makes sense, and maybe we're kept down by a thousand ways we don't realise yet. There isn't a logical way out of the space/time trap, which is why books ultimately don't help ...

[faulconandsnowjob]

Miranda, I'm actually trying to help you. I'm passing on what worked for me, what helped me wake up. If I had kept putting those things in my body, I probably wouldn't have woken up either. I firmly believe meat will keep people spiritually asleep. It's almost like a drug.

You seem to think that just b/c you're not awake that no one else is, either. Well, I can tell you that is not the case. It seems like you are just very attached to the taste of meat & aren't ready to give it up yet, or maybe you just resonate w/ meat's frequency. If that is the case, then I must assume that you are not ready to wake up yet. Maybe at some point, you will recognize the truth in what I wrote about meat.

[miranda]

Faulconandsnowjob

You sound, in your last post, like someone who doesn't realise/does realise but just doesn't care, just how unloving and deeply insulting she's coming across as.

If you are sooo wedded to your idea of being 'awake' that you feel it's OK to insult a fellow human being, it's pretty obvious that you're wedded to a cult, or a dogma, not to Love.

I'd have respected your position of being 'awake' a LOT more if you hadn't descended to insults and hurt to - defend your position of being 'awake'. Every insult shows how much you're still in the Matrix. Along with the rest of us. Why are you so determined to say you're not? What are you so scared of?

You didn't address as single one of the issues I raised.

Life here is HARD. The need to steal energy from each other is very real. You don't escape that (and you don't help people) by stopping eating meat, and then taking a 'holier than thou' attitude about it. All you do - as you've proved - is to develop a whole other hierarchy for yourself. And that's a hypocrital hierarchy based on falsehood that I want no part of. Maybe, if you really, deep down, WERE so convinced of it, you wouldn't need to defend it so virulently.

*The really 'awakened' person knows that there's no need to defend anything, because they're valuable with or without their belief system. You are valuable with or without yours.

Whether or not you eat meat, you're still v special, v valuable, v real and v needed. As we all are. At the end of the day, the spark in us just Is.

*But then, the really awakened person ain't in the Matrix, because the Matrix don't exist in Reality ... As it were.

Now - what can we agree on?? God bless .... and good luck with those veggies/fruits.

Love, Miranda xx

[faulconandsnowjob]

Miranda, I think you are the one who is insulting, & you probably read insults into everything, b/c that's where you're coming from. That is what you know, maybe what you expect. I know that it is very difficult for you to understand & accept that some people are not in the same place you are w/ respect to awareness/awakeness. You want everyone to be stuck in the Matrix w/ you - but they're not. I was asleep, but now I'm awake. It's seems like a completely natural thing to occur, when the person is ready. However, I don't think it just "happens" - you have to actually help it happen. Some of the things that will help in the process are meditation, & to not keep eating things that keep you asleep, such as meat. When you are ready to wake up, you will probably naturally do those things, b/c it will feel right.

The need to steal energy from each other is very real.
The Vedas say ‘food is God’ … food is divine energy being offered back to the divine energy comprising our bodies. To advance spiritually, that food needs to be vegetarian.

you don't help people) by stopping eating meat
Actually, you do, b/c you are helping to raise not only your spiritual awareness & vibration, but also that of the whole planet's. Everyone benefits from that, including the animals. BTW, animals are very advanced beings who do not deserve to be tortured to death for food or anything else.

*The really 'awakened' person knows that there's no need to defend anything,
No, that's true. You won't understand where I'm coming from, anyway. Try to give up the meat & see if things don't become clearer for you.

[faulconandsnowjob]

Info about the Solfeggio Ascension Frequencies, which will help in the awakening process:
http://2012evolution.com/ascension-audio-frequencies/
You can download them for free there.

From Messages from Matthew at http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=33&z=2:

35. ... I’m going to ... speak about something of paramount importance—how sound affects you. Everything in existence is energy fluctuating at one frequency or another—this is true of sound and light and your body, and their interaction is inescapable.

36. Now then, Mother, I need to cite your personal experience to make my point more easily. At symphony concerts to which you were gifted tickets, the programs included neoclassical works. You merely endured these, not enjoyed them as you do the harmonious music of the earlier eras considered the classical genre, and you wondered why anyone would want to write or play those “awful angry” sounds. Composers are among the most energy sensitive people on the planet, and their inspiration for the music they write comes from their soul. It was at that level that the first neoclassical composers were feeling the torment and the approaching death throes of Mother Earth, and this is what produced their cacophonous works. In a purposeful digression from what had long preceded it, the dissonant music heralded the encompassing darkness that now, a century or so later, is obvious to the world. Although steady exposure to the neoclassics would unbalance your energy system, as long as you are living in duality, these works offer balance to the melodic richness of the masters’ compositions, which because of their light have endured throughout many centuries, and the passion in both types of music comes from the soul.

37. There is NO balance or any redeeming quality whatsoever in “heavy metal” compositions any more than there is goodness in a concentration of heavy metals in your body. The strong dark undercurrent in this NOISE is strategically designed to shatter the body’s energy and prevent light from reaching the souls of those who are captivated by these raucous sounds. This fact needs to reach those who regard “heavy metal” as entertainment instead of the strong deterrent to spiritual clarity that it actually is.

38. Be aware of the effect the tone of your voice has not only on those to whom you’re speaking, but on you yourself—you are not immune from the inner disturbance of your own harsh sound, which has the same effect as your reaction to another’s anger aimed at you. “A soft voice turneth away wrath” is well worth your attention!

39. And just one more quotation, “Silence is golden.” Whenever possible, remove yourself from all sources of sound and revel in restorative silence. Allow your energy to sigh “Aaaaah” in the quiet peacefulness of communing with Nature.

40. Yes, all that I’ve said about sound and silence is in aid of inviting more and still more light into your souls—therein you know your godself and the universe!

How sound/words affect water molecules:

Miraculous Messages from Water (Prof. Emoto)
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm

Water exposed to Beethoven's 6th Symphony:
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/emoto/beethoven_pastoral.jpg

Beethoven - Symphonie Nr. 6 (Pastoral) I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GWMApWKQIY

Water exposed to heavy metal music (doesn't say what, unfort):
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/emoto/heavy_metal.jpg

And from http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=37&z=2:

S: ... What role does music play in our ascension process?

0. MATTHEW: Music in its purest essence is as eternal as the soul and is an inherent ingredient of the energy of love—that’s how important music is to ascension, or spiritual evolution. Not all sound that is proclaimed on Earth as music IS music! I’m not restricting compositions to a narrow band of “masterpiece” musical styles, but rather I’m saying that piercing, clashing, raucous, dissonant sound is not music, it is noise. Those sounds fracture the body’s energy, short circuit its electrical system, shatter its equilibrium, and prevent light from entering. The spectrum of benefits from pure music—the harmonious, melodic tones that flow in intricate juxtaposition, in beauty and majesty from an abundance of fine instruments—is limitless, really, because its dominion and healing powers are universal. The angelic realms are in charge, and what a glorious service they perform for all of us! In higher vibrations tones and colors and aromas blend and waft in a sensory feast that can’t be described, only experienced—something to look forward to, no? But until then, as well as the splendid symphonic offerings, composers have been inspired to write less elaborate, sophisticated or elegant compositions whose pleasing melodies and often lyrics, too, gladden the heart, bring smiles and laughter, and de-light the soul...

From http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=41&z=2:

19. MATTHEW: ... The soul is in constant communication with the entire body, and since souls are inseparable, yes, there is a universal language that serves all. To those mentioned facets of that language, add tone. Tone—or the sounds of the spheres—is a most vital part of healing energy; it is love being expressed via sound manifestations just as surely as through those of light. Tones composed into grand musical compositions on Earth, as throughout the universe, heal and illuminate mind, spirit and body, and the more absorption of tonal energy, the more a soul evolves.

From the 12/21/2008 message from Matthew
http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=96&z=2

29. The importance of music’s effects on your energy systems and psyches cannot be stated too strongly. The vibrations of music traditionally associated with Christmas time—especially orchestral arrangements and choruses, the “Nutcracker Suite” and carols—touch the “strings of the heart.” Music of more recent origin that also is popular in this season lacks those high vibrations, but nevertheless can let people feel happy. And a great deal of current music genres, most particularly the jarring effects of “heavy metal,” prevents the smooth flow of energy that is required for balance.

[faulconandsnowjob]

We Are Infinite Consciousness Living In A Holographic Illusion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgeTPubpE8s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgeTPubpE8s

[miranda]

Just for the record - I was a strict vegetarian for ten years, and for nine months of that, on and off, I was a vegan/raw food vegan. I just couldn't keep it up - I lost so much energy in the end. I was really into animal rights - a couple of years ago, I'd prob have been posting in agreement with you on that.

Of course animals don't 'deserve' to be tortured to death for food. One could argue, neither do plants, nor the many insects/small animals who make their homes in the fields which are harvested. (Obviously, that's not a dig at vegetarians/vegans - we pretty much all eat harvested cereals/veg/etc.)

If all life forms have consciousness - and I think we may see more of that re plants in the years ahead - how do you make that decision? How do you judge what has a 'higher' consciousness or a 'lower' one? People used to genuinely believe - some still do - that animals have little or no consciousness.

Anyhoo. Interesting posts re sound vibration. Agree with you there pretty much totally. Moving on .... xxx

[faulconandsnowjob]

Just for the record - I was a strict vegetarian for ten years, and for nine months of that, on and off, I was a vegan/raw food vegan. I just couldn't keep it up - I lost so much energy in the end.
You might have some other health issues going on that wouldn't necessitate a meat diet. I'm both hypoglycemic & anemic. I just have to eat a little something every couple of hours & take an iron supplement every day. That keeps my energy up ok.

I was really into animal rights - a couple of years ago, I'd prob have been posting in agreement with you on that.
I'm into animal rights. I'm an animal lawyer about to start working for an animal non-profit. This is def an important issue to me.

Of course animals don't 'deserve' to be tortured to death for food. One could argue, neither do plants, nor the many insects/small animals who make their homes in the fields which are harvested. (Obviously, that's not a dig at vegetarians/vegans - we pretty much all eat harvested cereals/veg/etc.)
No argument here. People should def be sensitive to all suffering & minimize it as much as possible.

If all life forms have consciousness - and I think we may see more of that re plants in the years ahead - how do you make that decision? How do you judge what has a 'higher' consciousness or a 'lower' one?
Well, yes, everything has consciousness - I would agree w/ that. I can't speak for all the life forms here, but I can say it seems that there is a wide variation in the degree of awareness amongst people. Just my observation. It's totally possible to eat w/out killing. As I said before, an apple tree isn't harmed when you eat an apple.

People used to genuinely believe - some still do - that animals have little or no consciousness.
Well, I'm sorry, but people who believe that are ignorant as to animals' true nature. I used to train horses in the past, & I can tell you that they are very smart. They think, they guess, they anticipate, they learn, they remember, they extrapolate, etc. I guess unless you've worked w/ animals, it might not be something that really enters your conscious awareness.

[orbandsceptre27]

Hi Miranda and welcome to the thread.

Just for the record - I was a strict vegetarian for ten years, and for nine months of that, on and off, I was a vegan/raw food vegan. I just couldn't keep it up - I lost so much energy in the end. I was really into animal rights - a couple of years ago, I'd prob have been posting in agreement with you on that.

I admire people like you and Faulcon for giving up meat. It`s not an easy decision to make, especially when you had eaten it for most of your life. I do find it unusual how someone that could stay off meat for ten years could suddenly go back to it again. But if you found you had little energy and attributed this loss to not eating meat, then you were probably right to go back on it.

Of course animals don't 'deserve' to be tortured to death for food. One could argue, neither do plants, nor the many insects/small animals who make their homes in the fields which are harvested. (Obviously, that's not a dig at vegetarians/vegans - we pretty much all eat harvested cereals/veg/etc.)

I think this is the big grey area as regards meat eating - the treatment of animals before slaughter. I`d advise people to watch the documentary "Earthlings" narrated by Academy Award nominee Joaquin Phoenix which deals with humanities treatment of animals in general. Part 4 begins to focus on the treatment of animals for food. If anything could put people off eating meat this documentary could. Part 4 -

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=jrntmtE7ElY&feature=related

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=_kHmS6onJH0


If all life forms have consciousness - and I think we may see more of that re plants in the years ahead - how do you make that decision? How do you judge what has a 'higher' consciousness or a 'lower' one? People used to genuinely believe - some still do - that animals have little or no consciousness.

Linda Goodmans "Starsigns" seems to be a book you commonly refer to Miranda - I find it strange then that you would move away from her analogy of how to ween yourself off meat, and instead quote the highly speculative Stewart Swerdlow. I agree with Faulcon that Swerdlow may hold some truths but he appears en masse to be disinfo. He has some interesting material/vids on mind control, however I`ve read two of his books and was rather unimpressed with both ("The Healers Handbook" and "The True Reality of Sexuality"). Still it`s up to everyone to explore what`s right for them.

Anyhoo. Interesting posts re sound vibration.

Yes Masaru Emoto deserves alot of further research. He`s unearthed some fascinating insights regarding water.

[orbandsceptre27]

Many Hindus are vegetarian because ahimsa (do no harm) is an important moral value.

“Animal food is never meant for the civilized man…” (Srimad Bhagavatam: First Canto-Part One, supra at 379-80)

“When man is uncivilized, he kills poor animals and eats them.” (His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, The Science of Self-Realization 131 (The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust 1998) (1968).)

“[T]he religious human being is not meant to … eat animals.” (His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, The Science of Self-Realization 131 (The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust 1998) (1968).)

“A person who eats these foods [meat, fish, and eggs] participates in a conspiracy of violence against helpless animals and thus stops his spiritual progress dead in its tracks.” (Sri Isopanisad 156 (His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada trans., The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust 1996) (1969).)

I think there`s alot of wisdom in these statements!

[faulconandsnowjob]

I think this is the big grey area as regards meat eating - the treatment of animals before slaughter.
Yes, people don't know the horrors animals are subjected to. In the USA, chickens, turkeys, ducks, all poultry animals have NO LEGAL PROTECTION whatsoever. They are not covered by the "Humane" slaughter act (which basically just says the animal has to be knocked unconscious before he or she is bled), so many of them go alive into the mechanical throat slitters. If the machine misses, well, they go fully conscious straight into boiling water. That is beyond horrible & is completely unacceptable, imo.

I`d advise people to watch the documentary "Earthlings" narrated by Academy Award nominee Joaquin Phoenix which deals with humanities treatment of animals in general. Part 4 begins to focus on the treatment of animals for food. If anything could put people off eating meat this documentary could.
Another good one is "Peaceable Kingdom" about farm animals. "The Witness" is excellent for talking about fur animals.

Bottom line, billions of animals are tortured to death on a daily basis. Is that really the kind of world we want to live in? It's not the world I want! Gandhi said we must be the change in the world we want. Well, I want a world that is kind to animals! I'm sick of the cruelty & bloodshed. And just another thing to consider, that cruelty is not confined to people's treatment of animals, but gets transferred to how people treat each other. Many serial killers "practice" on animals before they start murdering people. Well, you know what? We have a very violent culture that tolerates, even encourages, brutality towards animals, so is it really surprising that serial killers would manifest here? Those dark souls must really love all the negative energy here. :eek:

[orbandsceptre27]

Yes, people don't know the horrors animals are subjected to. In the USA, chickens, turkeys, ducks, all poultry animals have NO LEGAL PROTECTION whatsoever. They are not covered by the "Humane" slaughter act (which basically just says the animal has to be knocked unconscious before he or she is bled), so many of them go alive into the mechanical throat slitters. If the machine misses, well, they go fully conscious straight into boiling water. That is beyond horrible & is completely unacceptable, imo.

That is sick. These factory hens and chickens must live deplorable existences when you think about it. Very little light and space to even move aound. What are we really eating here? This is just terrible energy to be absorbing into our bodies. It`s one thing on a small farm or living in the wild and having to kill for survival (which is bad enough) - but this factory/processing of slave animals I find most disturbing. They have absolutely no quality of life before being brutally butchered and carted en masse to our shop shelves.


Another good one is "Peaceable Kingdom" about farm animals. "The Witness" is excellent for talking about fur animals.

Thanks Faulcon - I`ll definately have a look at these.

Bottom line, billions of animals are tortured to death on a daily basis. Is that really the kind of world we want to live in? It's not the world I want! Gandhi said we must be the change in the world we want. Well, I want a world that is kind to animals! I'm sick of the cruelty & bloodshed. And just another thing to consider, that cruelty is not confined to people's treatment of animals, but gets transferred to how people treat each other. Many serial killers "practice" on animals before they start murdering people. Well, you know what? We have a very violent culture that tolerates, even encourages, brutality towards animals, so is it really surprising that serial killers would manifest here? Those dark souls must really love all the negative energy here. :eek:

Very true - If we really want to change life for the better it starts with ourselves and how we treat other humans and animals (we humans are animals too of course). What we give out we get back and we are what we eat. I`ll seriously consider giving up meat myself - I know I`d be better off without it. Alot of it is all habit and just having a taste for it.

[faulconandsnowjob]

What are we really eating here? This is just terrible energy to be absorbing into our bodies.
Yes, & that low energy literally "brings you down." So, for a spiritual person trying to raise his or her frequency... Well, it's just self-defeating, imo.

[orbandsceptre27]

Yes, & that low energy literally "brings you down." So, for a spiritual person trying to raise his or her frequency... Well, it's just self-defeating, imo.

I agree Faulcon, it makes perfect sense!

I believe ultimately we won`t need to eat anything at all - A long way off maybe but one day it`ll be done. I know from practicing chi kung and kriya we transfer much of our energy from within/source.

Advanced yogis eat very little food. Some rice, milk and now and again some fruit. Most of their energy they draw from the dan tien/navel.

Meat is really dead energy and the longer the meat has been shelved, the less energy it contains.

[faulconandsnowjob]

I believe ultimately we won`t need to eat anything at all
Yes, I agree! I don't think we really have to eat, but b/c we think we do, the mind & body make that our reality...

[mahabaratara]

Interesting thread.

I gave up meat/fish/eggs and alchohol in '03.

I want judge those that do or dont consume them I have my path and they have theirs.

But since starting my esoteric works I have far more energy than before.

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ That is excellent :-)

[orbandsceptre27]

I gave up meat/fish/eggs and alchohol in '03.

Fair play Mahaba, not an easy thing to do! I`m going to give up all red meat within the next fortnight. The only meat I`ll eat is white (chicken/turkey) and fish. It`ll be a start - I`d find it too hard to give it all up at once, but should be able to ween myself off it this way.

I think it was Linda Goodman who said this is less traumatic on the body. Some find it harder than others to give up meat. Say if your parents, grandparents and great-grandparents were vegetarians, then you wouldn`t find it as difficult - Your body would be cleansed to a certain degree. But if your forefathers all ate meat, it would be a big shock to the system to give it up in one go, as your body wouldn`t be accustomed to it.


But since starting my esoteric works I have far more energy than before.

That`s great, and I`m starting to find my energy levels aren`t as good after eating meat - No better reason to give it up!

[faulconandsnowjob]

I`m going to give up all red meat within the next fortnight.
Yay! That is great! :)

I don't agree w/ Linda Goodman. I think putting meat in the body puts a great strain on it.

I`m starting to find my energy levels aren`t as good after eating meat -
Yeah, meat is very low energy & makes the body work really hard to process, so it's not surprising people feel better w/o it.

[orbandsceptre27]

I don't agree w/ Linda Goodman. I think putting meat in the body puts a great strain on it.


I believe you`re right Faulcon, but I think what LG was trying to point out is that over generations our bodies have become "programmed" to accept meat. I don`t believe she advocates eating it, but to ween yourself off it carefully. I don`t believe either that humans initially ate meat, or should be eating it now so the sooner we give it up the better for ourselves as a race.

Yeah, meat is very low energy & makes the body work really hard to process, so it's not surprising people feel better w/o it.

I agree - dead energy! Meat may have been introduced to lower humanities frequency in the first place, and by eating it we keep it low.

How did you come to give it up Faulcon and did you do so all at once? Did you find it hard, that you lacked energy for awhile or that your immune system was low?

[faulconandsnowjob]

I believe you`re right Faulcon, but I think what LG was trying to point out is that over generations our bodies have become "programmed" to accept meat.
I def think people have been programmed into thinking they need to eat it. Maybe people's bodies have learnt to deal w/ it, even if it's not natural for us to eat it.

... the sooner we give it up the better for ourselves as a race.
Yes, definitely :)

Meat may have been introduced to lower humanities frequency in the first place, and by eating it we keep it low.
Yes - I think it is a way to keep people asleep.

How did you come to give it up Faulcon and did you do so all at once? Did you find it hard, that you lacked energy for awhile or that your immune system was low?
I just got to the point where I couldn't support cruelty to animals anymore. I realized that I was contributing to suffering in the world & I didn't feel good about it. So, I just went cold turkey. I didn't really find it that hard. Meat kind of made me sick, anyway, so I felt a lot better when I gave it up. I also didn't notice any diff w/ respect to energy or anything. I think it's just like breaking a habit, but the longer you go w/o meat, the easier it is. Actually, it seems kind of gross to me now. :eek:

[orbandsceptre27]

I just got to the point where I couldn't support cruelty to animals anymore. I realized that I was contributing to suffering in the world & I didn't feel good about it. So, I just went cold turkey. I didn't really find it that hard. Meat kind of made me sick, anyway, so I felt a lot better when I gave it up. I also didn't notice any diff w/ respect to energy or anything. I think it's just like breaking a habit, but the longer you go w/o meat, the easier it is. Actually, it seems kind of gross to me now. :eek:

It is gross isn`t it - I can`t stomach burgers, sauages or puddings anymore, all that processed stuff is the worst junk.

The cruelty to animals is pretty sickening actually - I think I posted this documentary "Earthlings" on another thread, but I couldn`t post it often enough. It`s narrated by Academy Award nominee Joaquin Phoenix and shows how badly we humans treat other animals as pets, for food, clothing etc. These parts deal with animals for food (not for the faint hearted) -

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=jrntmtE7ElY&feature=related

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=9IbLWNh7vZw&feature=related

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBfAeM4mYDA&feature=related

[faulconandsnowjob]

I've heard "Earthlings" is excellent, but I can't watch it. I've been warned about how hard it is to watch :eek: :( Thanks for posting it, though, b/c people should be making informed choices about the food they eat.

"I know, in my soul, that to eat a creature who is raised to be eaten, and who never has a chance to be a real being, is unhealthy. It's like...you're just eating misery. You're eating a bitter life."
~Alice Walker

[orbandsceptre27]

I've heard "Earthlings" is excellent, but I can't watch it. I've been warned about how hard it is to watch :eek: :( Thanks for posting it, though, b/c people should be making informed choices about the food they eat.

I actually found it shocking (and I come from a farming background) - I felt bad as a human being after watching it, but the truth is the truth. I think we have alot to answer for collectively!

^ Very good quote from Alice Walker.

[faulconandsnowjob]

I think we have alot to answer for collectively!
I agree w/ that!

When I was old enough to realize all meat was killed, I saw it as an irrational way of using our power, to take a weaker thing and mutilate it. It was like the way bullies would take control of younger kids in the schoolyard.
~ River Phoniex

[orbandsceptre27]

- God is everywhere; He is now here, but He is not there. If you seek Him in the flesh, in the bone, He is not there; but He is in the flesh, bone, marrow - everywhere.

- In the milk you cannot see the cream. Through a technique you are to separate the cream from the milk. Similarly, through the technique of meditation, you can perceive the formless, the invisible soul in the body form.

- Illumination is the real body of the soul. That light and illumination can be perceived through deep meditation.

- Human beings are the epitome of immense potentiality.

- By constant endeavor one can become good and identify himself with the divine, or he can become bad and identify himself with evils.

- You are the master of your own destiny.

- India is the seat of spiritual experience and every dust particle is sanctified by the lives of Self-realised masters.

- Even though human beings are rational, the animal instincts and divine power co-exist in them, and many times animality prevails.

- The union of soul (sa) with the body (ham) keeps the person living. This is hamsa.

- Many roads go to Delhi. Similarly, there are many ways to realize God. But follow only one to reach the goal.

- To eat or fast, or not to eat certain foods, are all things that belong to your mind, not to the soul.

- Married or celibate, purity is necessary.

- As sugar merges in tea and becomes one with it, similarly, when your individual consciousness merges with cosmic consciousness, you become one with the divine.

- Be invisible and watch the Invisible.

- When God is all-pervading, why don`t you perceive Him everywhere?

- Through calmness, seclusion and alertness you will see the blissful divine form.

- God is changing your body. You should change your own habits.

- To climb up a coconut tree is difficult, but to get down from it is very easy.

- God loves you. Love God.

[orbandsceptre27]

- Causal body is the sound A, astral body is the vibration U, and gross body is the beauty that is M. If you add A+U+M, it is Om.

- Knowledge is both external and internal. The end of knowledge is in knowing one`s Self.

- Each word should be like honey or milk, with all their nourishing qualities. Each word is like a mantra. It should be used properly, with utmost care and love.

- Every word that comes from the mouth is manifested and has potentiality to create or destroy.

- Inner talk arises in the brain and is easy to change and regulate. It is clearly visible to those who are contemplative and meditative.

- There is a source for everything, including sound. As water is the cause of ice, similarly, divinity is the cause of all thoughts. Thoughts and God are one.

- Breath is responsible for thinking and communicating. Breath helps us to to speak. Every word is not only a vibration of sound, but also a vibration associated with breath.

- Intelligent people communicate after thinking, with sincere deliberation. Ordinary people speak with emotion or instinct; while rational people speak with discrimination and scrutiny.

- The process of the creation of sound is a beautiful flow, and comes through different levels, giving more awareness of one`s own being and thinking.

- The human voice has the ability to express and to communicate, not only to other humans, but also to animals. It is a divine skill.

- In deep meditation one feels as if the body has no limits. The physical body is gone, and one can feel the cosmic form.

- You should meditate and perceive the power of God within you. There is no other alternative.

- Breath, or air, is the super-electronic force of every human being, and is constantly creating and maintaining life.

- There are few real seekers in the world. You can find many teachers, but sincere disciples and seekers are few in number.

- Normally one is not aware of Reality and Truth, because they are looking outside and not inside. They look at creation and but forget the Creator.

[faulconandsnowjob]

- Every word that comes from the mouth is manifested and has potentiality to create or destroy.

I would modify to:
- Every thought is manifested and has potentiality to create or destroy.

[orbandsceptre27]

^ It`s funny, that exact thought crossed my mind as I was typing out the line :). There is some of the phrasing throughout Faulcon I would have changed also. However it would then be a tinkered version of what he said, and he was/is a master (not me). His words were very carefully chosen.

When you look at it, words are manifested thoughts and literally come from the mouth. Thoughts may manifest or they may not, depending on the power behind them and the strength of mind. Someone can change their mind before they speak - yet when the word is said, it is manifest and cannot be altered.

[faulconandsnowjob]

^ Maybe if a thought doesn't have a lot of energy invested in it, it won't be a strong manifestation, but it's still "out there."

[orbandsceptre27]

^ Maybe if a thought doesn't have a lot of energy invested in it, it won't be a strong manifestation, but it's still "out there."

I don`t disagree Faulcon, but he was specifically talking about words.

[montag]

Sugar is a drug and I believe it shouldn`t be added to any food.
It's an unbelievable folly to think that we feed our children sugary food and drinks and believe the solution to their tooth decay is by giving them fluoride.

[orbandsceptre27]

It's an unbelievable folly to think that we feed our children sugary food and drinks and believe the solution to their tooth decay is by giving them fluoride.

I totally agree.

[faulconandsnowjob]

I don`t disagree Faulcon, but he was specifically talking about words.
I understand. My point is that the thought comes before the word & can be manifested, too. Thoughts are things (thought forms), so it's important to mind what you think, too, not just what you say.

[orbandsceptre27]

I understand. My point is that the thought comes before the word & can be manifested, too. Thoughts are things (thought forms), so it's important to mind what you think, too, not just what you say.

Of course, and I agree, however Hariharananda here was communicating about the spoken word.

[orbandsceptre27]

- Reading spiritual books, hearing so many discourses, seeing so many monks and chanting many verses of the scriptures cannot give you spirituality and Self-realization. It only helps to show the way of spirituality.

- When you see a flower you see the soul in the shape of that flower. Rather than be attracted to the flower, you will perceive divine love in the flower.

- Speak less and meditate more; always remain in the soul and merge in the soul.

- One feels hatred toward another because of self-interest, separateness and differences. When one realizes that he is a part of the multiplicity of the divine being, there is no question of hatred, for all are one soul.

- If one scrutinizingly observes everything, then he will perceive that everything is the play of the soul.

- As the power of God, you have divine current in the whole body. Without soul there is nothing. Realize the soul in every breath.

- Seek your soul every moment through every activity, then you will get God-realization.

- Inhalation and exhalation of the breath are the life of every human being. By controlling the inhalation and exhalation, people can remove their restlessness and remain in the soul.

- When fear comes to your mind, your whole body is transformed into fear. When passion comes to your mind, your whole body is transformed into passion.
- Passion, anger, greed, vanity, self-arrogance, pride, suspicion and ego also give some inspiration and evolution.

- For Self-realization you require the help of a realized soul and by his help you can perceive that you are the living power of God.

- Work is a living manifestation of the soul.

- Due to your ignorance you are constantly merged in illusion, delusion and error, and you do not feel that the Creator is abiding in the entire creation.

- The lump of ice, water and steam are nothing but one in different states. Similarly, form and formless are one.

- Kriya Yoga meditation is a shortcut technique of soul culture.