Crowley admits to practiscing human sacrifice

[thirdwave]

Again ES... your dogmatic Christian brain blinds you...

please point me out one Jew here who bombards the Forum with messages on How Moses or the Jewish texts are what is important....?? which poster preaches the Talmud here? ???

I think we have had one or two Jewish/Christians that get the exact same reaction as any Christian...

But why on earth do you expect people to ignore the mass influx of Christians coming here telling everyone that Jesus Christ will save us from the NWO... and to just focusing on criticising Jews??... can you see how you sound Very Christian here?? lol

again you never seem to make sense... We are defending a guy who you have tried to highlight as being anti semetic... and creating Jew propaganda... He also told of how Acient Jews still to his day practice human sacrifice... and here we are defending him!:eek:

I sometimes wonder if you just deliberately like to talk tripe and just like to say what ever you can to make your self feel like you have a point.

[marpat]

Marpat to bait or not debate that is the question. You're a more likely candidate for demonic possession, or MPD. Because you never tell us about the rituals you done with your fellow OTO members. Could it be your memory has been wiped clean, by your programmer?

Do tell.

You never have a bad word to say about Jews, maybe because you are one. In fact the only one religion you whine about is Christianity, funny that, just like AC.

Tell you about the rituals? why should I, you can read about them if you buy the right books. You could join and find out then leave straight after. The idea of that probably frightens you though. You probably have ideas of having to kiss satans bottom or something absurd. If my memory had been wiped clean then how would I know what rituals I have been to? your mind is absurd. Dont you think that by being wiped clean that I would remember nothing, not even being there or being a member? :rolleyes:

I think Crowley had every right to criticise christians considering they destroyed his chance of a normal childhood. I think many of the victims of catholic priests would also have a similar sense of hatred. As for myself I was never indoctrinated into any religion, I never went to any religious school or group in my childhood and have not suffered the conscequences. What about you, victim of Sunday school?

Please explain the nature of demonic possession and how it occurs as you have obviously experienced it while dabbling. What is a demon, where do they live and how do they possess people. You think you are such an expert so let us all know.

[thirdwave]

Tell you about the rituals?

ES should be kept miles away from any rituals! :eek:

I know that much!

[marpat]

ES should be kept miles away from any rituals! :eek:

I know that much!

Yep, he tends to get attacked by spirits. Obviously messing with something dodgy then running back to the church to find refuge :D

[eternal_spirit]

Seriously you need a new act and lines, repeats of omnibus editions of Eastenders would have more appeal.

So what I was born Catholic, like nearly all people my age in the UK were born into Christianity, including TW.
But truth is I don't follow or practice the Catholic religion. I'm like Icke he was born a Christian but doesn't follow it either.
Yet you perceive that I am brainwashed/programmed. Bad conclusion and utterly wrong.

Your reasons? Because I expose Satanists and Sacrifice, genitally mutilating religions, and some of those people's misuse of Kabbalah to use it as a programming tool.

And know Christianity on the whole is less severe with less rules to follow, than Judaism and Islam, therefore the majority of Christians are far less controlled or brainwashed.

Many Christians are free to chose if they do rituals study magic etc or not. You lot generalise far to much.
What about the Catholic Gnostic OTO. Are they not your fellow brethren Marpat?quote marpat:
As for myself I was never indoctrinated into any religion, I never went to any religious school Are you sure? Because you're the same age as me. At the time all schools were Catholic, Protestant, Methodist/CofE.

You'll be asking me next to break or spit on a crucifix to prove I'm not a Bible basher!

This will have to do go look

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44639

[thirdwave]

Seriously you need a new act and lines, repeats of omnibus editions of Eastenders would have more appeal.

So what I was born Catholic, like nearly all people my age in the UK were born into Christianity, including TW.
But truth is I don't follow or practice the Catholic religion. I'm like Icke he was born a Christian but doesn't follow it either.
Yet you perceive that I am brainwashed/programmed. Bad conclusion and utterly wrong.

Your reasons? Because I expose Satanists and Sacrifice, genitally mutilating religions, and some of those people's misuse of Kabbalah to use it as a programming tool.

And know Christianity on the whole is less severe with less rules to follow, than Judaism and Islam, therefore the majority of Christians are far less controlled or brainwashed.

Many Christians are free to chose if they do rituals study magic etc or not. You lot generalise far to much.
What about the Catholic Gnostic OTO. Are they not your fellow brethren Marpat?Are you sure? Because you're the same age as me. At the time all schools were Catholic, Protestant, Methodist/CofE.

You'll be asking me next to break or spit on a crucifix to prove I'm not a Bible basher!

This will have to do go look

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44639

I don't care or need to know what your belief decision is.... You have a Christian mind set, your views are biased on Christian beliefs and Christian information.... So you are missing the point.

If you believe in Satan, and view him as the enemy to God.. you are practising Christian views... for a start...

and yes I know Icke refers to it... but he has implied at times that its a tag most people use for negative occult practice... which many people do..

I would not be surprised if you are lying and you really are a Christian.... but at the same time it makes no difference... you are what you think.

[eternal_spirit]

quote: thirdwave
Again ES... your dogmatic Christian brain blinds you...http://www.worldwideshoppingmall.co.uk/toys/images/products/0749852143.gif

[marpat]

Seriously you need a new act and lines, repeats of omnibus editions of Eastenders would have more appeal.

So what I was born Catholic, like nearly all people my age in the UK were born into Christianity, including TW.
But truth is I don't follow or practice the Catholic religion. I'm like Icke he was born a Christian but doesn't follow it either.
Yet you perceive that I am brainwashed/programmed. Bad conclusion and utterly wrong.

Your reasons? Because I expose Satanists and Sacrifice, genitally mutilating religions, and some of those people's misuse of Kabbalah to use it as a programming tool.

And know Christianity on the whole is less severe with less rules to follow, than Judaism and Islam, therefore the majority of Christians are far less controlled or brainwashed.

Many Christians are free to chose if they do rituals study magic etc or not. You lot generalise far to much.
What about the Catholic Gnostic OTO. Are they not your fellow brethren Marpat?Are you sure? Because you're the same age as me. At the time all schools were Catholic, Protestant, Methodist/CofE.

You'll be asking me next to break or spit on a crucifix to prove I'm not a Bible basher!

This will have to do go look

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44639

But you have not exposed anybody, just thrown accusations at a dead man. That has not done anything for anybody.

I never went to any form of religious school. They were not all that type. It does explain your brainwashing though as I have pointed out many times. The fact that you went to those schools proves my point that you have been subconsciously programmed into their dogma. Obviously your programming is very deep. So deep in fact that although you say you are not religious you defend christians and their dogma. At least I stand for something that I am aware of:cool:

About the gnostic catholic mass. I will be honest, I have no idea why it is called that. I do know it was called that long before it become associated with thelema but my lack of interest in the EGC means I have not looked at why it is called that. I doubt they are as programmed as you are.

You are keen to call every other belief or religion abusive or mind controlling but the catholics are some of the very worst. Christianity is less severe that Judaism? tell that to all the tortured people who whip themselves and bleed themselves in the name of christianity. What about all those priests who abuse kids because of their false sexual repression. And here you are saying their ways are not as bad as Jews. Speaks volumes that.

Christians are not free to do what they want, they get told what to do. There are churches where yoga has been banned becaues it is part of the Hindu religion and not christian. How about that for freedom of choice :D

[eternal_spirit]

quote: marpat
Obviously your programming is very deep. So deep in fact that although you say you are not religious you defend christians and their dogma. At least I stand for something that I am aware of:cool:

Would that include people who defend Judaism and Islam on the forum? Some who aren't even religious or belong to said religions.

[eternal_spirit]

Christians are not free to do what they want, they get told what to do.

There you go again generalising and taking my posts out of context to suite your agenda.

[limelady]

We are now up to 258 posts on this thread at time of writing, and we are no closer to obtaining any sort of proof that Crowley practised human sacrifice. Instead we have the same people on this thread making the same claims over and over - the same information that has been posted on numerous other Crowley threads.

My questions to ALL of you are these:

How long are you all going to continue going round in circles with this stuff?

Why do you keep participating on a thread (saying the same thing over and over) once you have made your own stance known?

Why do you (the same people every time) feel compelled to keep responding until a thread deteriorates into personal insults?

When will enough of this (seemingly endless) bickering ever be enough?

The moderators have already received a number of reported posts about this thread, and if this keeps happening I am simply going to close it and start issuing spam points if necessary, as its obvious to anybody who has kept up with the dialogue thus far, its going NOWHERE.

Just letting you know. :)

[marpat]

There you go again generalising and taking my posts out of context to suite your agenda.


Like looking at a mirror isnt it :D:D:D

[marpat]

We are now up to 258 posts on this thread at time of writing, and we are no closer to obtaining any sort of proof that Crowley practised human sacrifice. Instead we have the same people on this thread making the same claims over and over - the same information that has been posted on numerous other Crowley threads.

My questions to ALL of you are these:

How long are you all going to continue going round in circles with this stuff?

Why do you keep participating on a thread (saying the same thing over and over) once you have made your own stance known?

Why do you (the same people every time) feel compelled to keep responding until a thread deteriorates into personal insults?

When will enough of this (seemingly endless) bickering ever be enough?

The moderators have already received a number of reported posts about this thread, and if this keeps happening I am simply going to close it and start issuing spam points if necessary, as its obvious to anybody who has kept up with the dialogue thus far, its going NOWHERE.

Just letting you know. :)


Yes, you are right. It is drifting from the point.

So ES, is there any real proof of your claim or is it just a case of you wanting to believe the literal wording of what you have read, even though Crowley did express much of his work in symbolism and in such a way as to shock the closed minds of the establishment of the day.

Also, by proof I mean something substanial which is not dependent upon what viewpoint you read his writing.

[thirdwave]

For me Lime, its because I think its very relevant... even though Icke has written about Crowley in disproving terms I think this subject is even relevent to Ickes main passion...

The way Crowley was treated and the way many react to people who say "you know what.. this guy is quite interesting and has some points" ... highlights why so many people out there don't know much and dont really learn much... I guess its like Icke says... "we have out grown the sheep dog and we keep each other in line..."

Im not really trying to convince ES, not only do I see that as trying to get a Cow to look at the moon... but I am not bothered... I just generally feel inspired by presenting arguments to dogmatic and misunderstood views.... from there its everyone's own choice... if people coming here seeing ES lies and MSM propaganda.. i see that is trying to find someone's mind and downloading false code in there.... I would much rather tell the facts as they are.... and discuss people's opinions on them and leave people to make their minds up from that point.... if they conclude he was a no good evil git... then fair enough.... at least its their own mind making that decision... and at least they are concluding this by judging the man them sevles and not by others judgements... I don't claim I know who and what Crowley was... I am simply pointin g out the lies and propaganda that have been so deeply put around the place about him.... you need to look at all the info to have a proper judgement... people like ES do not do this IMO.

its like even if there was a serial killer .... I don't think people should judge him from how the media present him... you should judge him how YOU see him.... of course the killer is bad.... so why does one need the main stream media to create his/her image you people?

I see the them as bad as the killers for doing this as it is still oppressing truth.

[thirdwave]

There you go again generalising and taking my posts out of context to suite your agenda.

lol, I sometimes wonder if you say stuff like that on purpose! lol

[eternal_spirit]

We are now up to 258 posts on this thread at time of writing, and we are no closer to obtaining any sort of proof that Crowley practised human sacrifice. Instead we have the same people on this thread making the same claims over and over - the same information that has been posted on numerous other Crowley threads.

My questions to ALL of you are these:

How long are you all going to continue going round in circles with this stuff?

Why do you keep participating on a thread (saying the same thing over and over) once you have made your own stance known?

Why do you (the same people every time) feel compelled to keep responding until a thread deteriorates into personal insults?

When will enough of this (seemingly endless) bickering ever be enough?

The moderators have already received a number of reported posts about this thread, and if this keeps happening I am simply going to close it and start issuing spam points if necessary, as its obvious to anybody who has kept up with the dialogue thus far, its going NOWHERE.

Just letting you know. :)

Valid questions. And there was a decent debate going on yesterday with Thelonius, DCR and TW.

Then Marpat decided to start the name calling TW joined in as usual.

So you can close the thread if you want, because they don't listen to or comprehend that I'm no brainwashed Christian. (they are just attacking me and they intend to cause harm and doesn't look LIKE they are bothered what you or anyone says )

I'm disgusted you mods let them get away it.

My excuse is I'm still withdrawing from a 20+ year addiciton which I even started a thread about and know from past experiences in the past I've tried to withdraw from this addcition, I can get angry at times and have mood swings expecailly when I'm ganged up on and called names. I don't know if marpat and TW know about my withdrawl from addiction though I think they do (they spend every day or night on here like me and think they use it as a trigger to get at me)

Yet I have behaved far better than they have

(if i sound like a whiney so and so fine I don't care)

[limelady]

Yes TW I accept your stance on this, but I'm asking you to maybe see it from another perspective also. I asked why the need to KEEP debating this over and over on the same thread when you have already made you stance perfectly clear (in fact all of you have) a number of times already on THIS and many other Crowley threads?

Why all this time and energy over a man who has been dead an buried for decades? Why are we discussing whether Crowley sacrificed children or not when none of us have any way of knowing so long after the fact?

You see, while you are all banging away here on this thread repeating yourselves endlessly, others are watching on right now and seeing hundreds of children being systematically sacrificed in Gaza. Its happening as we speak! We cannot change what may or may not have happened in the past, but we can learn from it.

That being the case, surely if we were to be focussing our energy on anything at all right now, it ought to be something that could REALLY make a difference to what happens in the world from this moment onwards - a situation where innocent children are being ritually sacrificed to the gods of war right now?

Where attention goes, energy flows.

So instead of banging on about Crowley, how about showing the world the people on the DI forum have learnt from the past, and understand that energy and higher values when focussed and channelled where they are most needed, CAN change the planet for the better? Isn't this REALLY the essence David Icke's work? Taking back our personal power and saying "no" to those who are abusing theirs at humanities expense?

[limelady]

The OP has just contacted me privately and asked me to close this thread.