Why I HATE Kids!

[montag]

A lecture given by a former high school teacher on why he hates kids..;)

http://www.hogarth-blake.com/lectures.html

[jaanus]

Great intoduction. I wonder if simple words like kid and child really have such an extensive effect on our offsprings.

[ngawaka19]

Fantastic montag. I was intrigued. I will never use the word 'kids' again. From a parent of 17,16,14,10 year old 'children'.

[notaslave]

That was an excellent video. Manifestations of a Mental Disorder, the classic behaviours were that of Tony Bliar.

[edelweiss pirate]

More PC bullshit... I'm a teacher, I have to put up with this bollocks almost every day at work...

Believe me teachers are pretty much tongue tied these days and it's getting worse, the more chaos they can create in the classroom the more it suits their agenda of the total breakdown of society, the best way to do this is is to make kids believe they can break all the rules... Best way is to disempower the teachers and allow the kids to do what the fuck they like...

What's wrong with getting kids to bloody well behave instead of finding a million ways to solve all their problems... We can't solve their problems because our society is a LIE and our society wants these kids fucked up....

Only real truth will save UK education and sadly the people involved in education cannot for one second afford this.

"He that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.."

That is in the Bible and it is my belief that the Bible matrix code source book is being taken literally to the letter. Therefore those who teach are punished by the system they work in because the insane schizognostics who run the show live at such a refined spiritual vibration that ALL MATTER IS REPUGNANT AND CORRUPT. Education teaches about the material world and therefore is the study of corruption.

This is how the Illuminati think.

And some of the stuff that guy comes up with.
2pac a genius eh? fucking bollocks more like, a baby brother gangster sold out to the system so he can fuck up the lives of millions of black teenagers.... Hardly fucking Charles Dickens...

And Kidulthood is a great movie? FFS... Believe me we need less gangsters in London schools not giving House Points for this culturally self destructive horseshit... The system just loves doo-gooders like these guys.

That guy is REAL bad news! For intelligence and aspiration, bettering yourself... He speaks in Jargon, 'classroom practionner' and 'postive cultural interface values'... If you listen to 2Pac and watch Kidulthood that's hardly gonna happen..

He blames the very media he praises at the start of the lecture... Nutter..

I think he means well, just comes across as a confused cheese meister...

The system loves these guys because they look like they're helping and they probably even think they are. What they are doing is further allowing the student eye view of the world to dictate the educational process.

The point of education is to take them away from all the shit they have to put up with and give them a glimpse of transendence, beauty and strength... That's what education should be. Taking them away from the horror of their world and showing them harmony and beauty. Something to aspire to..

But no.... I mean kids (yeah K I D S) watch Big Brother as part of the English curriculum these days ARGHGHHGHHGH!

[montag]

More PC bullshit... I'm a teacher, I have to put up with this bollocks almost every day at work...
Then you missed the whole point of it..

[mcmenek1]

Believe me teachers are pretty much tongue tied these days and it's getting worse, the more chaos they can create in the classroom the more it suits their agenda of the total breakdown of society, the best way to do this is is to make kids believe they can break all the rules... Best way is to disempower the teachers and allow the kids to do what the fuck they like...


Hi edelweiss pirate,

Well said.......I totally agree with you.

Love
&
Peace

[adramelech]

A system educator with a consciousness is a rarity. Most, like John Taylor Gatto, realize the utter corruption of the system and leave.

I have also done a bit of work with understanding how words and language help to create our perceptions on many levels, so I loved the portion dealing with that. "Kids" is a demeaning term and is even used as an insult in many cases. See: Len Horowitz.

[space monkey]

A lecture given by a former high school teacher on why he hates kids..;)

http://www.hogarth-blake.com/lectures.html

He could do with less coffee. And as has already been mention, John Taylor Gatto is an incredible resource for understanding education, and I would reccomend he check him out.

[montag]

He could do with less coffee. And as has already been mention, John Taylor Gatto is an incredible resource for understanding education, and I would reccomend he check him out.
I certainly agree with you on Gatto, he's one of my favorite speakers..

[montag]

A system educator with a consciousness is a rarity. Most, like John Taylor Gatto, realize the utter corruption of the system and leave.

I have also done a bit of work with understanding how words and language help to create our perceptions on many levels, so I loved the portion dealing with that. "Kids" is a demeaning term and is even used as an insult in many cases. See: Len Horowitz.
Absolutely true, it was a term given to us I believe..

I'm familiar with some of Len Horowitz's work, but I haven't heard him mention this. If it's possible can you point me in the right direction..

Montag

[adramelech]

Absolutely true, it was a term given to us I believe..

I'm familiar with some of Len Horowitz's work, but I haven't heard him mention this. If it's possible can you point me in the right direction..

Montag

If you are familiar with the DNA Pirates lecture material, he discusses quite a bit of information regarding both how words and their sound intonations and vibrations directly influence our perception of things and how the elite have specifically constructed languages to serve this purpose, who is reponsible for the writing of famous dictionaries and what their agenda was, etc..

[montag]

If you are familiar with the DNA Pirates lecture material, he discusses quite a bit of information regarding both how words and their sound intonations and vibrations directly influence our perception of things and how the elite have specifically constructed languages to serve this purpose, who is reponsible for the writing of famous dictionaries and what their agenda was, etc..
Yes I am and I know what you mean now. It's funny I only listened again to one of his lectures a couple of nights ago but dozed off before he got going, I'll try again tonight thanks..

[edelweiss pirate]

Hi Montag....

I think you're stuck at a superficial level of understanding.... You seem to spend a lot of time defending disinfo, I still remember how much you supported that troll M3...

You need to learn to 'see' my friend.

And you Adramelech? I'm surprised that you would support this Orwellien idea of cutting down on our power of expression and the words we are allowed to use..

Believe me 1984 is more prevalent in the classroom than anywhere else... Heaven's, it was through my teacher training that I got mixed up with the masons.... Through every lecture I saw time and time again how they avoid the real issues by removing the responsibility of good behaviour away from the students and load the teachers with it. It's insane. This article is more of the same. Don't bame the kids it's not their fault! What like so when a kid take a dump in the middle of the classroom (as happened to someone I know) the kid is the victim... because that's what they're trying to push here.

School kids behaviour is far worse now than it ever has been and only half of kids actually leave school with the minimum number of good GCSE's.. Instead of finding ways to stop kids misbehaving they find a million ingenious ways to make it look like they're doing something but actually making the problems worse.

You have kids who don't respect your authority... So what do the powers that be do? They use legal means to undermine your authority more. The kids know how powerless teachers are and they exploit every weakness.. Teachers cannot even physically touch a child now! So if a kid wants to stomp around your classroom and disrupt the learning and education of everyone, he is entitled to.... and the kids often literally say "You can't touch me!"

And it's all thanks to people like that who portray children as victims. They are victims, but not victims of teachers who just want to help them, they are victims of the mason do gooders who want to see the world entirely corrupted so they get the chance to unfold their 'cure'.

Teaching these days is mostly a series of coaxing weedling and begging bad students to be good, and it doesn't work. They don't care and their parents don't care....

Abd you have kids who are hyperactive... (because of the diet they are brainwashed into accepting) So what do they do? Force medicate them amphetamines to make them even crazier...


As a teacher I can tell you it is pure agenda bollocks!

[montag]

Look I know where your coming from EP and in principle I agree. I am totally against PC bollocks in any form and if you want to refer to children as baby goats then feel free I'm not here to stop you, but I try not to use that term to refer to my own three beautiful children.

The only point I was trying to make by posting this lecture was to make people aware of the terms they use unconsciously that I believe are given to us to use as a way of demeaning who we are as human beings.

Montag

[adramelech]

And you Adramelech? I'm surprised that you would support this Orwellien idea of cutting down on our power of expression and the words we are allowed to use..

I didn't see anything in the video about banning the term "kids", only that it's a loaded, insulting term. You are free to call children whatever names you want. Just understand that when you think of them and communicate to them as if they are a bunch of unruly, stupid kids who only know how to cause trouble... they probably will be. Not exactly a revelation here, garbage in, garbage out.

[edelweiss pirate]

Doesn't Kid come from the German word Kind?

Montag, you know what children I teach hate to be called more than anything?

'Children'... they hate that word more than kids... I reckon most children do...
So this guy is totally out of the loop anyway....

I call 'em 'folks' anyway...... I like that word.

Disagree with you there Adra, you can have 'cool kids' 'funny kid' 'smart kid' 'brainy kid'

You cannot ironically have 'cool children 'or smart children' doesn't sound right because it is not used as such...

Whenever you start using the word 'child' you sound like some kind of health professional...

Kid is informal... Child is freaky.... Ask a kid/child what they prefer.... I'll do it today and let you know the results...

[limelady]

I was never upset or thought it derogatory to be called a kid when I was young enough to be called one....I don't see what the big deal is quite frankly. Just more PC bullshite to make us all feel guilty. :rolleyes:

Besides, look how absolutely adorable a baby goat is....does he look like the devil incarnate to you? http://www.mountainlanefarm.com/images/goat20blue.jpg

[montag]

Kid is informal... Child is freaky.... Ask a kid/child what they prefer.... I'll do it today and let you know the results...
That is because they have been indoctrinated with the term, of course they will prefer to be called kids. You are still missing the whole point here, who originally gave us this term and for what reason? Thats what I am asking here.

If you want to call children anything why don't you start with their own names they were given at birth, thats what I do.;)

[lumukanda]

i must admit, as much as i hate pc bullshit, kids are out of control, my girlfriend's mom is a teacher and pretty much echoes what EP has to say, and here in south africa it can get pretty bad, just yesterday we had a case where a student shot the principal.
but just in general kids have no respect these days, i was walking to the shop across the road yesterday when a kid on a bike basically road right into me, on the sidewalk, i said something to the effect of, the street is for bikes, not the pavement. his reply? go fuck yourself.
well i didn't do that, i did grab him off his bike and throw the bike over the fence surrounding the vineyards next to my house though. an hour later his dad was at my front door wanting to bash my head in, the fact that his brat of a son thinks nothing of telling adults to 'go fuck themselves' was not of importance to him, the kids have no respect, but with parents who don't see their children for the brats that they are, who can blame them i suppose.
all i know is that when i used to do something wrong, like breaking a neighbours window for example, i'd get a spanking from him, he'd take me to my parents, who'd give me another one, i would never dream of telling an adult to fuck off, unless i wanted a clout to the head.
i'm not saying that hidings are right, or that adults always are, or that kids are always wrong, it just seems to me that common sense has flown right out the window, and there's always someone else to blame these days, and if you can't find someone, blame society, i expect it of kids, but not from so-called adults.

[montag]

i must admit, as much as i hate pc bullshit, kids are out of control, my girlfriend's mom is a teacher and pretty much echoes what EP has to say, and here in south africa it can get pretty bad, just yesterday we had a case where a student shot the principal.
but just in general kids have no respect these days, i was walking to the shop across the road yesterday when a kid on a bike basically road right into me, on the sidewalk, i said something to the effect of, the street is for bikes, not the pavement. his reply? go fuck yourself.
well i didn't do that, i did grab him off his bike and throw the bike over the fence surrounding the vineyards next to my house though. an hour later his dad was at my front door wanting to bash my head in, the fact that his brat of a son thinks nothing of telling adults to 'go fuck themselves' was not of importance to him, the kids have no respect, but with parents who don't see their children for the brats that they are, who can blame them i suppose.
all i know is that when i used to do something wrong, like breaking a neighbours window for example, i'd get a spanking from him, he'd take me to my parents, who'd give me another one, i would never dream of telling an adult to fuck off, unless i wanted a clout to the head.
i'm not saying that hidings are right, or that adults always are, or that kids are always wrong, it just seems to me that common sense has flown right out the window, and there's always someone else to blame these days, and if you can't find someone, blame society, i expect it of kids, but not from so-called adults.
Why blame the 'kids' though, they are no different to children from a hundred years ago besides the programming and indoctrination they've received.
Children are born innocents and it is the system that is fucking them up not the other way around, don't blame the symptoms but instead lets look for the causes.

[lumukanda]

i do agree with you montag, it is easy to point to the kids and blame them.
kids are waaaay smarter then adults give them credit for, so they're going to take every gap the can, it is hard not to get angry sometimes.

but at what point do kids learn to take responsibility for their actions? these kids will grow up to be adults who are always looking for someone else to blame, it's a fuck up of monumental propertions, already halfway there.

i do agree with most of what are saying in essence though (despite the fact that i used the word kids about a hundred times), i just sometimes feel that we are taking away kid's power by allowing them to do what they want, and then blaming society, it is in everyone's best interests, theirs most of all, to have them realise the repercussions of their actions as soon as possible, that of course is the duty of a parent, easy to blame them too i suppose, they only see their kids for a few hours a day, the rest of the day they're open to all kinds of influences via schools, tv etc etc
a tough one no doubt about it, perhaps i should actually just shut up till i have my own though, but anyway, that's the way i feel about it right now.

[montag]

but at what point do kids learn to take responsibility for their actions? these kids will grow up to be adults who are always looking for someone else to blame, it's a fuck up of monumental propertions, already halfway there.
The major problem as I see it is that children are having children, even people I know in their mid forties still carry on like adolescents. The century of the self is having a disastrous effect on our youth who now look to the media for role models instead of their dysfunctional parents.

I know through my own waking process I had to grow up quick smart so I could be there for my family rather than see it head down the same predictable dysfunctional path that today is the norm.

[limelady]

Why blame the 'kids' though, they are no different to children from a hundred years ago besides the programming and indoctrination they've received.
Children are born innocents and it is the system that is fucking them up not the other way around, don't blame the symptoms but instead lets look for the causes.

PC is the cause. These days you're not allowed to 'spank' your children when they've done nothing but ask for it all day....no, nowadays we must put them on the 'naughty step' for weeks on end in the hope they will one day 'get' the same message that a quick slap on the bum would have given them in 30 seconds flat! FFsake, even monkeys will smack a baby monkey when it gets out of line, but these days you smack your child and you risk a court case.

I don't condone violence (and yes, there are always those who abuse their kids....PC or not this still happens), but parents have lost their parenting skills right along with their right to act as parents....skills that were passed down through the generations have long since gone....and that includes what to feed their kids to keep them healthy. Lumukanda is right, there IS no respect drummed into kids....parents don't know what respect is themselves half the time, let alone teach their kids about it - its now generational, therefore kids have no idea how to conduct themselves in social situations.

This is NO accident. The state wants control of our kids not their parents, who must obey the PC bullshit or answer to the state or a court of law for child abuse. Parenting is now determindly undermined by the state and the education system. It is written into law somewhere (I read it once) that the state actually owns your kids, and therefore have the final say (legally) on how they will be raised, educated, disciplined etc. They are now exercising that right. It all starts with what kids are fed as part of what we call 'education'.

A 15 year old can 'divorce' his/her parents with the blessing of the state, because this is what the state wants, and the only grounds the said 15 year old need have is that he/she doesn't agree with with what his parents believe is best for him......this can be as innocuous as wanting the child home by midnight for his own safety, while the child wants to stay out for as long as he likes without restriction. This is known as "irreconceivable differences" and its now grounds for a child to divorce his/her parents if he kicks up a big enough stink about it. He is then entitled to go get himself a benefit to live as an 'independant youth', while the state will go his now divorced parents to fund the benefit, despite that they no longer have the right to have any say in their childs life, and are very often forbidden (by the state) to have any contact whatsoever with the child under a court decreed non-molestation order.

Parents have many obligations, yet few rights.

This is indeed a world gone mad!

[montag]

I don't see what the big deal is quite frankly. Just more PC bullshite to make us all feel guilty. :rolleyes:
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I don't think it is PC, this is one of the only people I've heard publicly speak out against the term. I've always felt intuitively uncomfortable with it and the reason I posted this was it was the first time I'd heard someone else speak about it.
If it was PC it would be all over the place.

[lumukanda]

The major problem as I see it is that children are having children, even people I know in their mid forties still carry on like adolescents. The century of the self is having a disastrous effect on our youth who now look to the media for role models instead of their dysfunctional parents.

I know through my own waking process I had to grow up quick smart so I could be there for my family rather than see it head down the same predictable dysfunctional path that today is the norm.

yep, i think you've hit the nail on the head there man.

[rossus]

yesterday i downloaded kidulthood :o
the movie's not that bad.
it's a bit like the french movie "la haine".

perhaps the author of the "Why I hate kids"-thing doesn't have it all figured out exactly how it is,
at least he cares and is trying to do something about it..

so this guy's a good example for the lot of us.
i'm going outside now i wish everyone a good day and much love :)

[edelweiss pirate]

That is because they have been indoctrinated with the term, of course they will prefer to be called kids. You are still missing the whole point here, who originally gave us this term and for what reason? Thats what I am asking here.

If you want to call children anything why don't you start with their own names they were given at birth, thats what I do.;)

Yes well sometimes dear Montag a teacher must use a collective noun to address a classroom full of kids....

Much as I'd love to give them all the attention deserve, I don't think:

"Tom, Robert John, Simon Kevin and Phillipa, Sharon, Anne and little Bobby too... Kevin, Alan and Craig, Kate, Tracy and Sue....... Please, sit down.......

Anthony why are you stood up?

You didn't call my name sir.."

Won't be trying that anytime soon Montag... and just to reiterate, it's you who cannot see the real issue here, but that's your affair..

Good look with crossing the road man... I'll pray for you...

Jesus Rossus... La Haine is an evil movie. The worst I've ever seen on any counts. It's called "Hate' reckon that's a clue of its 'vibrational index'..

BTW the guy in the lecture is a smug git who thinks he's cool and with it. It is his own vanity that is being used as the entry point of the dark chaos agents.

Wrong is wrong right?

[edelweiss pirate]

I don't think it is PC, this is one of the only people I've heard publicly speak out against the term. I've always felt intuitively uncomfortable with it and the reason I posted this was it was the first time I'd heard someone else speak about it.
If it was PC it would be all over the place.

If you don't think this thinking is PC then you've no idea what PC is...

I think the world would be a poorer place without kids.

[edelweiss pirate]

i must admit, as much as i hate pc bullshit, kids are out of control, my girlfriend's mom is a teacher and pretty much echoes what EP has to say, and here in south africa it can get pretty bad, just yesterday we had a case where a student shot the principal.
but just in general kids have no respect these days, i was walking to the shop across the road yesterday when a kid on a bike basically road right into me, on the sidewalk, i said something to the effect of, the street is for bikes, not the pavement. his reply? go fuck yourself.
well i didn't do that, i did grab him off his bike and throw the bike over the fence surrounding the vineyards next to my house though. an hour later his dad was at my front door wanting to bash my head in, the fact that his brat of a son thinks nothing of telling adults to 'go fuck themselves' was not of importance to him, the kids have no respect, but with parents who don't see their children for the brats that they are, who can blame them i suppose.
all i know is that when i used to do something wrong, like breaking a neighbours window for example, i'd get a spanking from him, he'd take me to my parents, who'd give me another one, i would never dream of telling an adult to fuck off, unless i wanted a clout to the head.
i'm not saying that hidings are right, or that adults always are, or that kids are always wrong, it just seems to me that common sense has flown right out the window, and there's always someone else to blame these days, and if you can't find someone, blame society, i expect it of kids, but not from so-called adults.

Totally, and what happens when these kids grow-up? I think it's hardly a coincidence that yob culture has reached epidemic proportions in the UK and it will only get worse, I believe this coincides with the change of focus from punishing naughty students to empowering them...

It's because their studies show that violence begets violence but that is only in extreme cases. Why because of a few extreme violent households has the whole system had to change.

It's like letting the scum of the world tell people how to run our schools which is what is happening. In fact this is what happens everytime with every issue. A depraved minority inform the paranoia and fears of the society and start dictating policy. This is what PRS is. Noone expects a teacher to be violent. A teacher should merely have the right to his body strength to defend himself and remove and restrain offending aggressive kids. A bit like a security agent who might remove a trouble maker. There are hundreds of holds which involve little or no actual violence. But these days the teachers are both afraid of student violence and afraid of the consequences of defending themselves which is insane. The perfect disassociative mind fuck that the masons have perfected , through their often unwitting change agents, like our dear gent in the lecture. He's almost transparent.

[mrguitarbear]

I think the guy was also making the point that the system is making kids mentally ill , hence the thing about delusions of grandeur - kids thinking they are so important they can tell you to ' go fuck yourself ' etc.

The kid/child dichotomy is merely symbolic of the devil/angel dichotomy in that kids aren't really that bad at heart but they act in certain ways for a reason. Has anyone seen the film ' The Breakfast Club ' ?

[edelweiss pirate]

The system is making the kids mentally ill. The world is making us all mentally ill.

Children like all living creatures are essentially selfish creatures. The great tragedy of our seperateness from the creator is that we all try to enchance the self and serve ourselves often to the detriment of our fellows.

This is primitive animal instinctual behavior and many children are caught up in this. By praising this behaviour and not questioning it but instead questioning the teachers (which this guy is doing) he is not offering the solution to the problem which is simply moral and spiritual education.

We need to make bad children good.

In my view the key to this is giving the kids an awareness that our government are evil satanists caught up in a faulty matrix program which is causing more harm than good.

Secondly they need to be informed that there is a real spiritual dimension to life which has nothing to do with organised religion and peaodophile priests..

The kids are nihilists, depressed and fucked up. Why wouldn't they be? The world they see is empty of values and beauty and has only one message, 'Get Rich or Die trying....'

Watching movies about gangsters is further immersing themselves in negative programming. What they need is positivity. What they need is the truth!

[space monkey]

I was never upset or thought it derogatory to be called a kid when I was young enough to be called one....I don't see what the big deal is quite frankly. Just more PC bullshite to make us all feel guilty. :rolleyes:

Besides, look how absolutely adorable a baby goat is....does he look like the devil incarnate to you? http://www.mountainlanefarm.com/images/goat20blue.jpg


Awe, just AH-DOR-AH-BLE! Don't you want to just wrap him up in cotton wool and never let him out!?!?! Oh, I could just gobble him UP!

;)

[montag]

Yes well sometimes dear Montag a teacher must use a collective noun to address a classroom full of kids....

Much as I'd love to give them all the attention deserve, I don't think:

"Tom, Robert John, Simon Kevin and Phillipa, Sharon, Anne and little Bobby too... Kevin, Alan and Craig, Kate, Tracy and Sue....... Please, sit down.......

Anthony why are you stood up?

You didn't call my name sir.."

Won't be trying that anytime soon Montag... and just to reiterate, it's you who cannot see the real issue here, but that's your affair..

Good look with crossing the road man... I'll pray for you...

Jesus Rossus... La Haine is an evil movie. The worst I've ever seen on any counts. It's called "Hate' reckon that's a clue of its 'vibrational index'..

BTW the guy in the lecture is a smug git who thinks he's cool and with it. It is his own vanity that is being used as the entry point of the dark chaos agents.

Wrong is wrong right?
You know you sound just as patronizing and vitriolic as I remember some of my arsehole teachers from school being, good work..:rolleyes:

[limelady]

Awe, just AH-DOR-AH-BLE! Don't you want to just wrap him up in cotton wool and never let him out!?!?! Oh, I could just gobble him UP!

;)

When's your birthday monkey man.....I'll get you one! ;)

[edelweiss pirate]

You know you sound just as patronizing and vitriolic as I remember some of my arsehole teachers from school being, good work..:rolleyes:

So mods get off calling posters arseholes now eh?

Above the law are you?

I'm so sick of dealing with pedantic clueless trumped up dumbed down idiots like you... You're wrong on every call and I'm getting tired of your heavy handed bullshit...

[montag]

Hey EP, I just said you reminded me of an arsehole, didn't say you were one.

Anyway steady on mate, you jump in on my thread like the forum thought police accusing me of all sorts of things that had no relation to what I'd posted.
If you didn't like the lecture and you see it as PC garbage, fine lets here your argument, but why attack me personally obviously looking for an argument.

You were obviously baiting me for a reaction and then you cry foul when you get one.:rolleyes:

[montag]

Anyway, just to get back on track here, the point of this thread was to try to understand why we call our children kids and why are we so indoctrinated to use this term?

Here is Websters top two definitions of this term..

1. (Zool.) A young goat.
[1913 Webster]

The . . . leopard shall lie down with the kid. --Is.
xi. 6.
[1913 Webster]

2. A young child or infant; hence, a simple person, easily
imposed on. [Slang] --Charles Reade.
[1913 Webster]

http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/kid

[edelweiss pirate]

You're so 'like' a twat I used to know Montag..lol

That's acceptable isn't it Montag...?

Well done for exposing that insult loophole we can all use now.

Funny you being a moderator and being blind to the agenda change agents in action.... then you supported M3 even when he exposed himself as a troll..

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6007/icgpoliticalcorrectnesset2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[montag]

You've changed that post three times now EP, is doubt starting to creep in? What happened to kids being Danish for children, I liked that one..:D

[edelweiss pirate]

So we can't edit posts now Montag?

Funny because Masonic light over at ATS used to the very same kind of thing.... do you know him?

You're slippery and suspect mate...

[limelady]

Geez guys....lighten up!

I happen to know we're all on the same team here.

Do you want limelady to have to put this thread in the rant room....

......or shall we all do a bit of a boogy instead.....:D

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[space monkey]

When's your birthday monkey man.....I'll get you one! ;)

Hehe. I was actually saying that your reaction to the term "kid" as is being discussed here could be interprited as the opposame of the Horowits/teacher guy's interpritation of it.

;)

[peter19]

i agree mostly with pirate. i think it doesnt matter what you call kids or children it matters how you act to them. its about your intention, when saying the word. i think kids are how they are because right from the off they get put into indoctrination school and get told what to think and how to be.get told to fit in. no wonder kids are pissed of because there parents and school teachers mostly are idiots, telling them what to do.

but at school i was mostly one of these types of kids, take the piss out of people ect its only when you get it done to you that you start to think that its not very nice. i also never got any GSCE,S.

schools need to lead by example (or the parents do) and teach there kids truth and speak the truth themselves.

give responseability away and let your kid be indoctrinated. happy days.

[montag]

Handle with kid gloves

Treat with great or very gently, as in he has a terrible temper, so try to handle him with kid gloves. This usage probably alludes to the antonym, handle without gloves, meaning "to treat harshly." Gloves made of kidskin, the hide of a young goat, are soft and pliable, whence the transfer to delicate treatment. [Second half of 1800s]

I'd always thought the term 'kid gloves' referred to children's boxing gloves:o, not gloves made from kid skin..

I'm not trying to go all PC on you all here, only to make you think about terms we are given and to realize what it is we are actually saying, different words all have different frequencies that can have a vibrational effect on us and others.

As mentioned before, Len Horowitz has some very good information on this, DNA Pirates of the sacred spiral, I have the audio lecture if anybody is interested, Let me know and I'll upload it..

Montag

[the festival spirit]

More PC bullshit... I'm a teacher, I have to put up with this bollocks almost every day at work...

Believe me teachers are pretty much tongue tied these days and it's getting worse, the more chaos they can create in the classroom the more it suits their agenda of the total breakdown of society, the best way to do this is is to make kids believe they can break all the rules... Best way is to disempower the teachers and allow the kids to do what the fuck they like...

What's wrong with getting kids to bloody well behave instead of finding a million ways to solve all their problems... We can't solve their problems because our society is a LIE and our society wants these kids fucked up....

Only real truth will save UK education and sadly the people involved in education cannot for one second afford this.

"He that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.."

That is in the Bible and it is my belief that the Bible matrix code source book is being taken literally to the letter. Therefore those who teach are punished by the system they work in because the insane schizognostics who run the show live at such a refined spiritual vibration that ALL MATTER IS REPUGNANT AND CORRUPT. Education teaches about the material world and therefore is the study of corruption.

This is how the Illuminati think.

And some of the stuff that guy comes up with.
2pac a genius eh? fucking bollocks more like, a baby brother gangster sold out to the system so he can fuck up the lives of millions of black teenagers.... Hardly fucking Charles Dickens...

And Kidulthood is a great movie? FFS... Believe me we need less gangsters in London schools not giving House Points for this culturally self destructive horseshit... The system just loves doo-gooders like these guys.

That guy is REAL bad news! For intelligence and aspiration, bettering yourself... He speaks in Jargon, 'classroom practionner' and 'postive cultural interface values'... If you listen to 2Pac and watch Kidulthood that's hardly gonna happen..

He blames the very media he praises at the start of the lecture... Nutter..

I think he means well, just comes across as a confused cheese meister...

The system loves these guys because they look like they're helping and they probably even think they are. What they are doing is further allowing the student eye view of the world to dictate the educational process.

The point of education is to take them away from all the shit they have to put up with and give them a glimpse of transendence, beauty and strength... That's what education should be. Taking them away from the horror of their world and showing them harmony and beauty. Something to aspire to..

But no.... I mean kids (yeah K I D S) watch Big Brother as part of the English curriculum these days ARGHGHHGHHGH!


you are a teacher.

OMFU

I cannot agree with everything you say, simply because I cant understand exactly where you are coming from, an example, you say

" The point of education is to take them away from all the shit they have to put up with and give them a glimpse of transendence, beauty and strength... That's what education should be."

That depends on which form of education you are talking about, can you embellish?

you seem to be contradicting yourself, *****

[the festival spirit]

Handle with kid gloves

Treat with great or very gently, as in he has a terrible temper, so try to handle him with kid gloves. This usage probably alludes to the antonym, handle without gloves, meaning "to treat harshly." Gloves made of kidskin, the hide of a young goat, are soft and pliable, whence the transfer to delicate treatment. [Second half of 1800s]

I'd always thought the term 'kid gloves' referred to children's boxing gloves:o, not gloves made from kid skin..

I'm not trying to go all PC on you all here, only to make you think about terms we are given and to realize what it is we are actually saying, different words all have different frequencies that can have a vibrational effect on us and others.

As mentioned before, Len Horowitz has some very good information on this, DNA Pirates of the sacred spiral, I have the audio lecture if anybody is interested, Let me know and I'll upload it..

Montag

nice to see some others are noticing the restrictions on this forum, montag I did not see your post before you edited it, would you like to copy the word care from my post and add it to yours?

EDIT: or can you no longer edit it even with your masonic powers ;)

[the festival spirit]

but at school i was mostly one of these types of kids, take the piss out of people ect its only when you get it done to you that you start to think that its not very nice. i also never got any GSCE,S.

schools need to lead by example (or the parents do) and teach there kids truth and speak the truth themselves.

.

I did not ignore your other words, I just quoted the relevent and important words (in my humble opinion) so that I could honestly say

Good advice here

[carlg1212]

A lecture given by a former high school teacher on why he hates kids..;)

http://www.hogarth-blake.com/lectures.html

That's a great post. I will send that to everyone I know.

I have kids...uh, I mean children...and find that in the school system and society in general, most boys are labeled "hyperactive" when in fact they're just being boys. And the solution is to heavily medicate. It's as if being a boy itself is a "problem". Girls, too, I find are treated like plastic dolls - look pretty and don't ask questions.

Gee, I wonder who's engineering society so this happens?

[the festival spirit]

That's a great post. I will send that to everyone I know.

I have kids...uh, I mean children...and find that in the school system and society in general, most boys are labeled "hyperactive" when in fact they're just being boys. And the solution is to heavily medicate. It's as if being a boy itself is a "problem". Girls, too, I find are treated like plastic dolls - look pretty and don't ask questions.

Gee, I wonder who's engineering society so this happens?


Lol carl, your avatar is funny, which country is that from ?

[montag]

Alan Watt in his latest blurb talks about psycho/neurolinguistic programming, kids, sheep and more..

Audio here.. (http://dl.cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/Alan_Watt_on_RepublicBroadcastingNetwork_June18200 7_HOUR3.mp3)