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drael

08-01-2009, 02:10 AM

It has been "found" recently that the 'spice smoking range' products contain synthetic cannaboid like indoles, specifically swh-018. This, may, like the scientific e scare be drug czar generated? Its not unheard of for sure.

Company generating this info is the major supplier of marinol, the pharma alternative for pain releif!!! :eek:

We shud all watch this and see "who funds rules". track the source, as always.

Certain facts are unclear as well, for example onset time does not add up to spice effects.

Watch this space. (PPS no other brands have been tested, and seems unlikely they would all use synthetic indoles when competition exists, even if said story is true, which still is in the air)

Also as a important note, spice and clones are very useful as analgesic, smooth muscle relaxing, nasea releiving, anti anxiety reducing medicinals. The same areas the company releasing this info has been researching.

Not hard to add that all up really :P

Once again the person in severe pain will prolly be shafted.

Thanks big pharma!

seercirra

08-01-2009, 04:26 AM

i cant get any weed so ive just 5 mins ago brought 3g's of spice diamond online :P

im looking forward to its arrival. hope its as good as what ive been reading.

getmeout

08-01-2009, 05:37 AM

It's been around for a while in Sweden by now and its pretty popular. Strange thing is it's still perfectly legal, they are always quick to ban these sort of things here.

http://www.everyonedoesit.com/img/products/spice_diamond.jpg

I like the discrete logo. The eye on top of an I and everything :rolleyes:
Never tried it myself but i think i'll stay with the real deal.

comawhite015

08-01-2009, 05:38 AM

Spice is lovely. And the eye is a Dune reference.

psych641

08-01-2009, 06:24 PM

Im surprised more people arent extremely pissed at having been laced.

humito

08-01-2009, 09:29 PM

psych641

09-01-2009, 01:47 AM

its a disgusting "buzz" dont touch it ! is my advice lol .......... same sort of "buzz" as breathing in too much paint or something,it has none of the mental effects of cannabis either and smells like cake mix,I dont understand the smell if it only contains plant material .............

the ingredients list honey IIRC, or something or other for flavouring. Obviously the spice 'ingredients' is a work of fiction, so who knows what the fucks really in it!

Im just glad i never got round to starting that get-rich-quick venture into baybean farming :D

drael

09-01-2009, 05:40 AM

the ingredients list honey IIRC, or something or other for flavouring. Obviously the spice 'ingredients' is a work of fiction, so who knows what the fucks really in it!

Im just glad i never got round to starting that get-rich-quick venture into baybean farming

Yeah i bet alot of people were getting into the plants on the list. Theres a good chance people may have made a good mix out of the actual list somewhere, if its not whats in spice. If it does turn out to be synthetic, its an amazing scam. Baybean farming :P

One interesting aspect is the culture, or market. Now there is a market for both e and cannabis alternatives there always will be one. How the authorities deal with that will be interesting.

humito

09-01-2009, 08:27 AM

have the not already banned the BZP......E alternatives?...........I did try some once........MAJICK......or something...........it was bloody strong!

seercirra

09-01-2009, 05:39 PM

deathcultreject

09-01-2009, 06:44 PM

as far as i know e alternatives - london doves and stuff are still legal.
spive is quite good, it doesnt hit you like weed does - you have to wait 10 minutes and the stoned feeling gradually occurs. but when its there it stays for hours and is actually quite strong.

The London Underground nz line has withdrawn it's 'proprietary herbal blend' because it contained something which became illegal in new zealand.

I think their 'neuro blast' was the best thing ever for creative writing projects and for channeling information from deities.

So I'm hoping that they're kind enough to pass on the recipy to a country which is still allowed to make it.

drael

10-01-2009, 03:56 AM

BZP ws banned in NZ. Neuroblast contains a piprodol (sp?) analogue and its actually a strong nutropic. This by some weird quirk was ruled an illegal drug analogue in NZ.

Theres still a white and gray market though for e alternatives - Geranium being the new guy in the white market.

Geranium is pretty mild, but provides some stimulation and relaxed feelings. It works.

There are at any time millions of undiscovered alkaloids and chemical drugs.

Take a given plant for example. The very mild californian poppy has 260 identified alkoloids in it, of which only one is really that well known.

Once a market is established, like in NZ, people keep coming back and people keep making new formulas. Its big money.

humito

10-01-2009, 04:01 AM

i remember in the late eighties getting completely off my face at a party on dog worming tablets lol...........i think they have/had BZP in them.

deathcultreject

10-01-2009, 04:59 AM

BZP ws banned in NZ. Neuroblast contains a piprodol (sp?) analogue and its actually a strong nutropic. This by some weird quirk was ruled an illegal drug analogue in NZ.

What's a nutropic?

drael

10-01-2009, 06:33 AM

That means it increases mental performance, and has been largely used for that purpose.

Said substance was a very good study aid.

pacoquerak

10-01-2009, 08:26 PM

ew gross...

astrochicken

10-01-2009, 09:36 PM

Recently removed from all shelves in germany.

eternal_spirit

10-01-2009, 09:58 PM

Recently removed from all shelves in germany.

Noticed your sig, eat shrooms magic ones? I used to eat them raw whilst picking them. But eventually noticed the maggots crawling around inside.

Don't know if they give you bad stomach, I never had any problems, may even be a good source of protein.

Top be safe and to avoid inducing paranoia of poison giant worm like trips
Better to boil them up in a pan, then strain the juice with a tea strainer. You can reboil them again, but the second, third time the effects won't be as strong. Mind you if you've already had the first brew, doesn't matter, you will have already gotten the most out of them.

humito

10-01-2009, 10:02 PM

boiling a good idea......the maggots can contain flukes that are not great for ya liver ;)

noobcybot

10-01-2009, 10:40 PM

They have maggots in them?! I think Iam gunna chunder...

eternal_spirit

10-01-2009, 11:01 PM

boiling a good idea......the maggots can contain flukes that are not great for ya liver ;)

Ah right thanks you reminded me read that a long time ago.

And a girl I know blamed a kidney or liver (can't remember which long time ago) infection on shrooms

You can smoke shrooms too I have, dried, powdered, but they don't taste so good, and give a mild effect. Add a little hash for flavour.

deathcultreject

10-01-2009, 11:12 PM

That means it increases mental performance, and has been largely used for that purpose.

Said substance was a very good study aid.

Ahh, a smart drug. Cheers for that.

I might have been looking for a substitute in the wrong places.

psych641

10-01-2009, 11:21 PM

You can smoke shrooms too I have, dried, powdered, but they don't taste so good, and give a mild effect. Add a little hash for flavour.

Have you tried inhaling the whole dose in a single hit?

Im told that with smoked DMT, you dont get full effects unless you absorb the full dose very quickly - it wouldnt work so well in a joint etc. Psilocybin is a type of DMT (with an extra bit that makes it orally active) so perhaps it would work in a similar way?

deathcultreject

10-01-2009, 11:22 PM

Ah right thanks you reminded me read that a long time ago.

And a girl I know blamed a kidney or liver (can't remember which long time ago) infection on shrooms

You can smoke shrooms too I have, dried, powdered, but they don't taste so good, and give a mild effect. Add a little hash for flavour.

They're stronger if they've been heated.

A convenient way to prepare them is to pad the corners of a microwave with kitchen paper to soak up the steam, microwave them on a plate, roll and heat them into a stick when they go soggy, and continue heating them with stuff around them to soak up the water vapour.

Most of the nausea stuff evapourates out, it becomes easier to judge the dosage, and all you need to do to store it is wrap it in tissue paper to keep it dry.

astrochicken

12-01-2009, 06:48 PM

Noticed your sig, eat shrooms magic ones? I used to eat them raw whilst picking them. But eventually noticed the maggots crawling around inside.

Thanks for looking out for me! ;)

If you have a problem with possibly eating maggots.. ie anything that grows in nature: strawberries, cherries, brambles and even mushrooms then i recommend the following..ie my preferred method which we've been doing for at least 3 generations (that i know of) in my family.

The secret is to pick them and then dry them individually on paper over 2-3 days without DIRECT contact to sunlight or to each other.

Once dried, i grind/crush them and dump them in to a pot of honey which, if kept in a dark place, keeps for years and which for some wierd reason that no-one has ever been able to explain to me (although i suspect it's similar to homeopathics and bach therapy) , increases their potency.

Then it's just a case of making a cup of tea and whacking in spoonfull (or two) of honey.

It's more fun than keeping a wine cellar..

"algarve 2008"
"16th fairway 2007"
"La village green 2006"

That said, and especially if it's the start of the season, there's nothing like munching as you pick. :)

IMHO i'd liken smoking mushrooms to shoving marijuana up your arse.