2012 Evidence Thread

[chris_com283]

I thought it would be good to have a thread focuding on merely the evidence for this date (I can't say the date because I have a sticky keyboard). Others threads always go on about channeled sources and other anecdotes without actually looking at the evidence. I've read of a few various studies and research that has hinted at something happening in 2012, but it sadly never seems to get mentioned here.

Here's what I've found out that may be good to discuss:

Terence McKenna studied the I Ching and made it into a graph. He then used it as a time-line for society and noticed changes in the graph throughout certain peroids of history, such as the colonisation of America or WWII. He also noticed that the line reaches zero at the year 2012.

I also read of a study in which someone made a graph of all the great inventions made and discovered throughout history. With that data they were able to extraporlate what would happen in the future. They found out that discoveries happen more and more often right up to a certain date (yes, you've guessed right) where they happen on a frequency of something like one every 30 seconds.

There's also something David Wilcocks said in his 2008 lecture about some study into time that seemed to hint at the same thing. I just can't remember what it was.

Web bot is anther interesting one. It was designed to search through the Internet to make stock market predictions. What they found out was that it accuately made post-dictions about things. They predict world neuclear war in 2008 or 2009 sometime. I think they also mentioned something about the date everyones talking about.

Does anyone have anything to add? It would be great if we could all add information to this that is reliable and easily verifiable. It would make it quite different from all these other topics about the date I cannot name. :D

[endlessvista]

Well aside from the New Age bullshit. Once thing for certain is that the earth will be alaigned with the galacatic center. This is about the only thing about 2012 which I can tell for certain is going to happen. What that means in real terms I have no idea. But I am willing to find out if people can source material not pulled from some hippies ass.

[chris_com283]

I'm not sure about the alignment idea.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k8yMXINOh8U&feature=channel_page
Is there any reliable source to this belief that you can link for us?

Though in the way of evidence there's something I found while browsing YouTube.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d2aAntO5YD0
I think I've read about the solar cycles before. It was attributed to the downfall of the Maya civilisation.

[chris_com283]

It seems the galactic alignment has already happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Alignment

[marpat]

A lot of the 2012 stuff focusses on the baktun count ending with 13 but I was reading that the baktun may actually have 20 cycles rather than 13 and there was a stele that backs up the arguement. If there are 20 cycles then what is so special about the end of this one?

[chris_com283]

I didn't know about that. So do you have an estimate of the end of the calendar based on a 20 cycle baktun?

[jahzel]

According to John Titor, nothing spectacular goes on until 2015 when Russia begins a Nuclear War with the US and Europe (and I think China?)

[chris_com283]

I forgot about that guy. I heard that he predicted a few things like 911. Not sure what happened to him. I think he "left" once he found the computer he was looking for.

Though this is going a bit far from the kind of thread I wanted, this post reminds me of something I've read a few times. People have traveled into the future to see what it's like, but apparently they've been unable to travel past 2012. The few that have been able to have described such things as buildings in ruins.

OT, but strange. I spilt cider on my keyboard a while ago and it's become sticky. I've tried to clean it off, but some keys still stick, especially the number "2" key. I've noticed something odd with this. Whenever I type "2012"22222 it sticks, but not on the first "2". So basically I can type "201" can have no trouble with sticking keys. It's only when it comes to the last digit I have trouble. Don't really know why this is, but thought I would share it. Probably due to the way I type.:confused:

[chris_com283]

Something else I found out is the transit of venus predicted to happen in 2012.
http://www.transitofvenus.org/

[marpat]

I think people should not get too hooked on the calendar as there is no solid ideas on how it functions. In this link the writer talks of the 20 baktun cycle. The writer state that the stele in the pic supports the idea of a 20 baktun cycle. It also shows the end date for the 20 baktun cycle.

http://www.mayan-calendar.com/cal_ancient_3_longcount.php

[size_of_light]

Damned if I can find it again but there was a really good site linked from Rense.com a few months ago that explained the celestial alignment of 2012 in deep detail in the form of a step by step tutorial, and really cleared up a lot of the myths and misconceptions.

I've forgotten it all now :D

It basically showed how amazingly precise the Mayan calendar was in being able to pinpoint the 2012 alignment, and suggested that feat in itself was worth reflecting on with awe, whilst showing that there are many, many alignments (even recently) that could be interpreted as being equally, if not more portentious, depending on your perspective and interpretation.

For what it's worth, I'm well and truly over 2012 hype, and don't view it as anything to take too seriously. Let it happen and unfold. Big deal. I certainly wont be sitting in a lavender pyramid smoking crystals come December 21.

[marpat]

Damned if I can find it again but there was a really good site linked from Rense.com a few months ago that explained the celestial alignment of 2012 in deep detail in the form of a step by step tutorial, and really cleared up a lot of the myths and misconceptions.

I've forgotten it all now :D

It basically showed how amazingly precise the Mayan calendar was in being able to pinpoint the 2012 alignment, and suggested that feat in itself was worth reflecting on with awe, whilst showing that there are many, many alignments (even recently) that could be interpreted as being equally, if not more portentious, depending on your perspective and interpretation.

For what it's worth, I'm well and truly over 2012 hype, and don't view it as anything to take too seriously. Let it happen and unfold. Big deal. I certainly wont be sitting in a lavender pyramid smoking crystals come December 21.

Who said their calendar was pinpointing that alignment? does it contain references to such an event?

[size_of_light]

Who said their calendar was pinpointing that alignment? does it contain references to such an event?

It was by far the best article on 2012 I've come across, dealing with the exact mechanics of the alignment and what it all meant in an astronomical sense. It discussed and covered the different interpretations of the calendar itself too.

Alas, I can't find the fucking page anymore! :D

Will post the link here if I get lucky.

[grannymoose]

it means the ending of one time and entering the new time. do the research on the Maya's and the Olmecs

[chris_com283]

Will post the link here if I get lucky.
Please do. This is why I created this thread, so we could have a good skeptical discussion on it. Rense can be quite interesting at times. I was very impressed with their investigation of the Hell tabloid story. The story goes that a group of scientists drilled a hole into Hell. Pretty interesting story, but all bollocks it seems.