Anybody grabbed a Mason Bumper Sticker?

[localidiot]

One of the frequent things I've heard about masonry is that a FreeMason bumper sticker will get you out of a speeding ticket, among other things.

Now, seeing as how apparently the handsigns and handshakes and such are apparently well known as well, it seems that at least a couple a few folks should be able to pass themselves off, possibly get a video of the event, should they get pulled over.

The easiest way to get a sticker would be to peal one off of a Masons car, or order them from a Masonic site such as this one: <<ADVERTISING>>

And that's just one site, noticed several more in the list of results as well.

[kenny_bubb]

bumper stickers?!
What about the job lot of ten white cloth Masonic aprons, reduced from $125 to $99?!

For Masons on a tight budget, or who simply love a bargain, this has to be the deal of the century.

[lycan]

great idea, but what happens if he trys a handshake? or a word?

[localidiot]

Actually, this was a attempt to proccess critical examination of some of the claims about Masonry. Yes, I posted a link to a site as a example, also offered the idea of pealing them off a Mason's car. The site is a legal way of doing the same thing.

[strt]

Interesting subject. May I remind you to stay on topic, please :)

[queenofleon]

I have never heard of a bumper sticker, but I do know that if they break down and stand at the side of the road pointing two certain fingers downwards, a fellow mason will stop.

It is a good idea, catching that on film. you take it to the police though and he is probably a mason too.
:D

[localidiot]

Interesting subject. May I remind you to stay on topic, please :)

Will do, my apologies.
Anyway, i think it's a decent idea worth trying out if a large enough group could work on it.


but I do know that if they break down and stand at the side of the road pointing two certain fingers downwards, a fellow mason will stop.

It is a good idea, catching that on film. you take it to the police though and he is probably a mason too.


So you or somebody you know has tried this or witnessed it first hand then?

Strt, seriosuly did't mean that as advertising, I meant that as a example.

[krakhead]

If I buy a FM bobble hat, can I shoplift with impunity? ;)

[crowd control]

Interesting subject. May I remind you to stay on topic, please :)

I fail to see how any moderation of this thread was required so soon into it.

[strt]

I fail to see how any moderation of this thread was required so soon into it.

That's because of efficient moderation :)

Back on topic:

What would happen if you try to pull some of the tricks and cop figures out that you are faking? Not very nice situation I guess?

[thelucifer]

How about if non masons get caught doing this a number of times then a real mason tries it and gets treated as a non mason. :D

Especially a high ranker :D

[disconnex]

That's because of efficient moderation :)

Back on topic:

What would happen if you try to pull some of the tricks and cop figures out that you are faking? Not very nice situation I guess?

Are there laws against perpetrating masonic acts if you are not a mason? Maybe some form of identity theft in the works here, they'll find something...

[krakhead]

great idea, but what happens if he trys a handshake? or a word?

Make sure you get it right! They're all on this site somewhere...........

[grandsecretary]

I was in Texas in June last year and was collected from the airport by a UGLE Mason, complete with bumper sticker. On the way from the airport to the hotel we were stopped by the police and he received a speeding ticket. So much for this theory!

In my case a 100% failure rate.

[disconnex]

I was in Texas in June last year and was collected from the airport by a UGLE Mason, complete with bumper sticker. On the way from the airport to the hotel we were stopped by the police and he received a speeding ticket. So much for this theory!

In my case a 100% failure rate.

Hey, it's all in fun... though did this cop know who he was messing with?

[strt]

Are there laws against perpetrating masonic acts if you are not a mason? Maybe some form of identity theft in the works here, they'll find something...

I don't think they can use any official law if they figure out that you are posing as mason. But if cop is one he will probably check few more things in order to make you pay more.

[diamond dogs]

I was in Texas in June last year and was collected from the airport by a UGLE Mason, complete with bumper sticker. On the way from the airport to the hotel we were stopped by the police and he received a speeding ticket. So much for this theory!

In my case a 100% failure rate.

Yes but you failed to mention that he should, if he is has any decent contacts have a number to ring to 'argue the case' and then he should be ok ;)

[grandsecretary]

Hey, it's all in fun... though did this cop know who he was messing with?

He couldn't miss the bumper sticker. I kept my mouth firmly shut because they wear guns!

[grandsecretary]

Yes but you failed to mention that he should, if he is has any decent contacts have a number to ring to 'argue the case' and then he should be ok ;)

Do you know, or are you just guessing, in which case it is a baseless allegation?

I have reported to you, first hand experience.

[diamond dogs]

Do you know, or are you just guessing, in which case it is a baseless allegation?

I have reported to you, first hand experience.

chuckle

I suppose if the boot was on the other foot we would have proof please of the offence please but I will take your word for it and.....am I guessing :rolleyes:

I have heard that if a Mason has been convicted of an offence they have number to ring is this just hearsay?

[grandsecretary]

chuckle

I suppose if the boot was on the other foot we would have proof please of the offence please but I will take your word for it and.....am I guessing :rolleyes:

I have heard that if a Mason has been convicted of an offence they have number to ring is this just hearsay?

Well it is certainly not an official Mason thing, of that I am sure, because it is illegal. Any Mason convicted of a felony is expelled from the Masons and so he risks his membership apart from the fact that Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice carries with it a heavy jail sentence.

IMHO it is immoral, and is also not worth the risk. Criminals risk it, and we are talking about criminals here, because they are stupid enough to believe that they are going to get away with it. Sometimes they do.

Honestly, and practically speaking, I have no doubt also, that there are corrupt Freemasons and corrupt Police Officers. Put the two together and you have a problem.

The important thing is that we should always support law and order, and there is no excuse for this type of criminal behaviour.

[diamond dogs]

Well it is certainly not an official Mason thing, of that I am sure, because it is illegal. Any Mason convicted of a felony is expelled from the Masons and so he risks his membership apart from the fact that Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice carries with it a heavy jail sentence.

IMHO it is immoral, and is also not worth the risk. Criminals risk it, and we are talking about criminals here, because they are stupid enough to believe that they are going to get away with it. Sometimes they do.

Honestly, and practically speaking, I have no doubt also, that there are corrupt Freemasons and corrupt Police Officers. Put the two together and you have a problem.

The important thing is that we should always support law and order, and there is no excuse for this type of criminal behaviour.

Fair comment but admitting 'sometimes they do' leaves me a little sceptical of your previous comment.

[grandsecretary]

Fair comment but admitting 'sometimes they do' leaves me a little sceptical of your previous comment.

Well you have now confused me. I have said that criminals in general do not commit crimes knowing that they will be caught and punished. IMHO they are stupid enough to believe that they will get away with it, and sometimes they do.

I have also, quite honestly and openly, accepted that there are Freemasons in this world, and police officers in this world, who are corrupt, and who will abuse their positions.

Put the two together and you/we have a problem.

Freemasonry not only dissapproves of this kind of behaviour but punishes it by explusion of any member who is convicted of a felony. There is no doubt about this. Their names and lodges are published within the various Grand Lodges that I have experience of (both the UGLE and the GLoAE and many other Grand Lodges in Europe and America).

[diamond dogs]

I have also, quite honestly and openly, accepted that there are Freemasons in this world, and police officers in this world, who are corrupt, and who will abuse their positions.

Put the two together and you/we have a problem.



I probably misread your post but I have to agree with you on this one...this surely only confirms that a national register is required especially of those in a position of trust (very much including Council members that vote on issues that could infringe on specific matters) as the trial where only a small proportion of police officers responded to the request from The Govt if they were a member?

It will never happen so there will always be doubt!

[grandsecretary]

I probably misread your post but I have to agree with you on this one...this surely only confirms that a national register is required especially of those in a position of trust (very much including Council members that vote on issues that could infringe on specific matters) as the trial where only a small proportion of police officers responded to the request from The Govt if they were a member?

It will never happen so there will always be doubt!

I would still have doubts, and I am a Mason!

IMHO the register would achieve exactly the opposite, a cover for corruption. "But your honour, Brother Smith and Councillor Brown openly registered their interests and so it cannot be considered a corrupt arrangement."

That being said, if you can convince our elected representatives to agree with you, then we would certainly comply with any lawful requirement.

BUT

We would require that all Catholics register as Catholics; all Methodists register as Methodists; all Muslims register as Muslims; all Hindus register as Hindus; all Homosexuals register as homosexuals; all Gypsies register as gypsies; all members of the David Icke Forum register as members of the David Icke Forum; all dual Nationalities register as dual nationalities; and any other special interest groups that we can list register as a special interest group, which are ALL subject to possible corruption, otherwise it would be discriminatory legislation, and that is not allowed by English, or European Law.

It's all or nothing I am afraid, and you, as a taxpayer, will have to pay for it. What shall we say, £10 Billions a year, 20 Billions, an open cheque book?

Please remember that the law is already in place to receive allegations of corruption under the terms of The Police and Criminal Evidence Act, and corrupt Masons and corrupt policemen have been prosecuted in the past, and no doubt will be in the future. Let us all hope so, and report anything dubious to the proper authorities. I have in the past, and will do so in the future.

A register is just not practical, which is why it has been put on the back burner.

Apart from the above, what is a Freemason?

You have seen the difficulties on threads here in pinning this one down as well. Only yesterday I was told that I was not a Freemason by another freemason. Should I register?

It is fraught with practical, bureaucratic and legal difficulty and I haven't yet mentioned infringement of civil liberty.

That is my honest opinion.

[diamond dogs]

Like I said it just ain't going to happen...and as long as we have secret societies in positions of power we will have major problems like we have now..btw i think the freemasonic police are the least of our problems at the moment.

Call me cynical but I would take opposition to a register regardless of views as they have something to hide...

I am just as concerned about the objective of Common Purpose that seem to be recruiting many prominent people (many women).. we need to start again but there is going to be major fallout before anything is resolved imo

[grandsecretary]

Like I said it just ain't going to happen...and as long as we have secret societies in positions of power we will have major problems like we have now..btw i think the freemasonic police are the least of our problems at the moment.

Call me cynical but I would take opposition to a register regardless of views as they have something to hide...

I am just as concerned about the objective of Common Purpose that seem to be recruiting many prominent people (many women).. we need to start again but there is going to be major fallout before anything is resolved imo

Well it is a little cynical, if you would forgive me for saying so, but IMHO you may be approaching these important matters from an opinion, which you are entitled to have of course, that Freemasonry is UNIQUELY open to corruption. Obviously that is not the case.

We do not publish the names of our Masons because they are entitled, under the Law as it stands, to privacy. In fact, if I did so, I would be sued, and deservedly so.

That is the Law as it stands, we CANNOT publish a register until and unless the Law is changed. The Law forbids us from doing so.

I say again. If you can persuade the legislators to pass such a Law, and be prepared to pay for the consequences, even though the Law already requires the reporting, investigation and prosecution of any wrongdoing, then that is OK by us. We would comply.

You do know do you, that in England, under the terms of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE), that it is a criminal offence NOT to report a suspected crime to the police authorities?

[diamond dogs]

I am not stating it is uniquely corrupt but I would be very dubious about a society that inaugerates it's members with a rope around their neck wearing one slipper and half a trouser leg...it is broadly based on fear imo

I have had personal experience of loyalty to another member regarding a work situation that is at the lowest level and it is not nice if you are on the opposite side of the fence and although you will say it is illegal to do this and that unfortunately that is not the reality of the situation.

I have nothing against masons or anyone that does well for themselves, bloody good luck to them but I do believe in an even playing field..

I see on another thread you played a part in a major TV soap do you think being a Mason helped get the part or was it through your career as an actor/extra?

[michael christopher]

How many of you are prefacing your arguments with "I hear" - ? Do you take yourselves seriously as seekers of the truth and yet go around believing anything you hear that happens to align with something else you have heard that makes sense to you?

As for Diamond Dogs, just because a lot of evil people in high positions of power are Freemasons does not mean all fucking Freemasons are evil. Use your brain. Lots of Christians are extremely evil and in high positions of power, as well as lots of Muslims, even lots of Mormons. Does that mean all Christians, Muslims and Mormons are evil? No. Freemasonry isn't a religion, it's an organization, and I would bet you right now that wealth affords far more legal perks than Freemasonry alone. Your generalizations are so baseless, I don't see why so many people here treat Freemasons like people treated Jews 50 years ago. Every person on this planet has a different opinion and let's just say for the sake of argument that high up in the organization are people who are actively evil, and do it BECAUSE they are Freemasons (which makes no sense). Does this mean everyone else is tainted and corrupted as well? Evil people are evil people. Deciding to become a Freemason, at least to the most public and widely accepted knowledge, is about something very different to most people than it is to a bunch of conspiracy theorists who happen to know that some people use Freemasonry to do evil things. It's no different than any other religion, used and abused per the individual incorporating with it. Freemasons do not take an oath to be evil.

Use your heads.

[grandsecretary]

I am not stating it is uniquely corrupt but I would be very dubious about a society that inaugerates it's members with a rope around their neck wearing one slipper and half a trouser leg...it is broadly based on fear IMO.

I see on another thread you played a part in a major TV soap do you think being a Mason helped get the part or was it through your career as an actor/extra?

Yes, fear, absolutely no doubt, but based upon religious faith, a guarantee for telling the truth. An outside guarantee and a guarantor is required when taking an Oath. You might like to read this: http://www.grandlodge.blogspot.com/ Article: Oaths, Oath Taking and Mental Reservation which fully explains it.

The Cable Tow (rope or noose) is designed to engender the fear of God, and the loss of the immortal soul in the afterlife, not a fear of personal danger in this life. This is clearly explained at every stage of the process. Not one heart attack so far, and what is more we dare not risk such a thing!

The slipper is referred to in the Holy Bible in the Book of Ruth. A shoe used to be removed in ancient times as a sign that a sacred contract has been entered into (usually in respect of land or the ownership of land). Nothing more. No fear here. It is an outward sign of a contract having been entered into.

We do not role up trouser legs, but the UGLE does in order to signify that when the initiate kneels he is in direct contact with consecrated ground, similar to the eastern religions. Nothing else. It is religious, no fear here either.

I hope that this explains what is going on here.

Acting: If it was due to Masonry I would get a lot more work than I do. I would not try use Free Masonry in this way. It goes against the strict rules of the Constitutions of Masonrie (but please do not suggest by what I have just said that I am denying that it does not go on. Unfortunately it is a modern plague in Masonry, and a disgraceful situation).

I have worked in the performing arts since 1990. I started in the theatre. I have done walk-ons, body-double, and stunt work (cricket, football, cars, some falls but not too far, fights, firearms 'Heartbeat') and then progressed to speaking roles and film work. I am shooting the lead in a film next month for the Cardiff Film School and have just auditioned for a musical. Fingers crossed.

I have done Shakespeare as well. I only do paid work, but not enough, but I get what I get due to hard work, a fairly good agent, and hopefully a little talent.

[diamond dogs]

As for Diamond Dogs, just because a lot of evil people in high positions of power are Freemasons does not mean all fucking Freemasons are evil. .

just because a lot of evil people in high positions of power are Freemasons....Proof

?? Get real..

[grandsecretary]

?? Get real..

Thank you Michael. You are not a Mason, but you are a reasonable and kind person.

However, as a Mason, I would say even to you that we must be honest and say it how it really is.

Unfortunately there are far too many unsuitable Masons (IMHO too many Masons, period), due to over zealous and injudicious recruitment. This opens the door wide for low standards and corruption.

The door of Freemasonry must be shut, properly tyled and the Lodges cleaned up before it is too late. Masons will understand what I am saying and if they are truthful with themselves, will freely admit that Freemasonry has lost the confidence of the general public.

There is a lot of work to do.

[diamond dogs]

Thank you Michael. You are not a Mason, but you are a reasonable and kind person.

However, as a Mason, I would say even to you that we must be honest and say it how it really is.

Unfortunately there are far too many unsuitable Masons (IMHO too many Masons, period), due to over zealous and injudicious recruitment. This opens the door wide for low standards and corruption.

The door of Freemasonry must be shut, properly tyled and the Lodges cleaned up before it is too late. Masons will understand what I am saying and if they are truthful with themselves, will freely admit that Freemasonry has lost the confidence of the general public.

There is a lot of work to do.

I am not anti Mason and I take people on face value as individuals so sorry if I have come across as so... I am more concened with our children's future than any grudges against anyone tbh

[localidiot]

I am not anti Mason and I take people on face value as individuals so sorry if I have come across as so... I am more concened with our children's future than any grudges against anyone tbh

So am I, which is why I'm concerned when someone wants a registration of individuals based on hand signs taken from movies or pictures that are purported to be Masonic.
"I want them registered so I feal safe."

As for what affect a officer may take if caught faking, it depends. If you get caught by a regular cop, some have a beef against Masons. If he thinks you're for real he may go harder on you.
Get a Masonic cop, he'd have to recognize that you are trying a Masonic Hand Sign and not just trying to flick him off.

[grandsecretary]

I am not anti Mason and I take people on face value as individuals so sorry if I have come across as so... I am more concened with our children's future than any grudges against anyone tbh

No, no, not at all, that is a natural reaction when Masons do not speak out and say what they can say. There is this general feeling that Masons stick together and defend the Masons, whatever the circumstances.

Well to Hell with that as far as I am concerned.

These are the ONLY secrets of Freemasonry, listed in the Ancient Charges of a Freemason: Masonic ritual, modes of recognition, and the administrative proceedings of the Craft are all secret.

That does not stop us from being honest about all matters of public concern. I am speaking here on behalf of The Grand Lodge of All England. Others must speak for themselves.

[mike martin]

Once a long time ago (when I was still a young Mason) whilst drunk but not out of order I jokingly called a Police Officer "Brother". He got very angry, stopped me and asked what I had being doing. It took about 10 minutes of trying to "soberly" explain that I didn't mean anything by it.

I got a parking ticket last September whilst parked outside of Freemason's Hall in London which I paid the same day.

Sorry but if people want to believe that we get off with such things because we are Masons thay are deluding themselves.

Mike

[mike martin]

How about if non masons get caught doing this a number of times then a real mason tries it and gets treated as a non mason. :D

Especially a high ranker :D

Err, it would make absolutely no difference to how he would be treated! I'm sorry but being a Mason is not some magic "get out of jail" card.

Mike

[diamond dogs]

Once a long time ago (when I was still a young Mason) whilst drunk but not out of order I jokingly called a Police Officer "Brother". He got very angry, stopped me and asked what I had being doing. It took about 10 minutes of trying to "soberly" explain that I didn't mean anything by it.

I got a parking ticket last September whilst parked outside of Freemason's Hall in London which I paid the same day.

Sorry but if people want to believe that we get off with such things because we are Masons thay are deluding themselves.

Mike

i think you are deluding yourself Mike :rolleyes:

[mike martin]

i think you are deluding yourself Mike :rolleyes:
How so?

Mike

[diamond dogs]

How so?

Mike

Well I think there are a good proportion of appeals won (not suggesting because of Masonic influence) but you did not challenge the fine (won't ask for proof) and I would recommend changing lodge....

I suppose it all boils down to who you know?..can't keep replying to this thread it's getting boring...

[mike martin]

Well I think there are a good proportion of appeals won (not suggesting because of Masonic influence) but you did not challenge the fine (won't ask for proof) and I would recommend changing lodge....
Appeal? I'd outstayed my time, no appeal for guilt.

I suppose it all boils down to who you know?..can't keep replying to this thread it's getting boring...
Agreed.

mike

[grandsecretary]

Well I think there are a good proportion of appeals won (not suggesting because of Masonic influence) but you did not challenge the fine (won't ask for proof) and I would recommend changing lodge....

I suppose it all boils down to who you know?..can't keep replying to this thread it's getting boring...

You have had honest answers here, and anyone who reads them will see that.

If you cannot accept what you have been told when you ask a question and get a detailed, reasoned and straight forward response from people who KNOW what they are talking about then there is no point in taking up our valuable time.

To suggest that Masons appeal to courts after conviction and receive reduced sentences because of "who you know" on the basis of thier membership of the Masons defies common sense. I don't know any Mason, of any description, who would be dumb enough and reckless enough to try such an appeal against a conviction. They would be charged with further offences and jailed, quite rightly!

I am afraid that your unreasonable attitude is the result of a fixed and irrational obsession. "This is what I believe, and I don't care what you say, do not confuse me with reality."

And now, because it is obvious that you are barking up the wrong tree, you are "bored". You are not bored at all, you are flabbergasted that Masons have freely and openly answered your questions, every one of them. You sound like my son when he was a young teenager. "You don't know what it's like Dad, I'm bored."

Sheesh!

[grandsecretary]

Once a long time ago (when I was still a young Mason) whilst drunk but not out of order I jokingly called a Police Officer "Brother". He got very angry, stopped me and asked what I had being doing. It took about 10 minutes of trying to "soberly" explain that I didn't mean anything by it.

I got a parking ticket last September whilst parked outside of Freemason's Hall in London which I paid the same day.

Sorry but if people want to believe that we get off with such things because we are Masons thay are deluding themselves.

Mike

Mike, you know as well as I do that there is a team of Parking Wardens who make their targets, and earn their livings from parking tickets issued to Masons who park even just 2 minutes over the time limit.

I have had, at least 6 or 7 tickets over the years in Great Queen Street. Who would you appeal to? The Greater London ticket office.

"Morning ticket office person - Boaz Jachin, nod nod, wink wink!"

"Oh sorry Brother, tear it up and forget about it."

Does anyone here actually use the brain that God gave them?

[mike martin]

Just to add and I've referred to this elsewhere a while ago. I am aware of one case (a real one, not someone's imagination) where a Mason tried to use his membership to get off with committing a crime. It is well known to Freemason's with an interest in our history.

The Mason in question was Frederick Seddon, who poisoned his female Lodger in 1911 to get his hands on her money. At the end of the Trial after the Jury had found him guilty and when asked if he had anything to say before sentencing, he pleaded in the name of the "Great Architect" that he was innocent. (It is also claimed he gave a Masonic sign but this is not recorded in the Trial notes) The Judge, Justice Bucknill, who was also a Freemason, then sentenced him to death by hanging. This sentence was carried out on 18April 1912.

Mike

[grandsecretary]

This sentence was carried out on 18 April 1912.

Mike

By a Mason hangman, the Rochdale Hangman, John Ellis. Step off with the left foot!

[diamond dogs]

You have had honest answers here, and anyone who reads them will see that.

If you cannot accept what you have been told when you ask a question and get a detailed, reasoned and straight forward response from people who KNOW what they are talking about then there is no point in taking up our valuable time.

To suggest that Masons appeal to courts after conviction and receive reduced sentences because of "who you know" on the basis of thier membership of the Masons defies common sense. I don't know any Mason, of any description, who would be dumb enough and reckless enough to try such an appeal against a conviction. They would be charged with further offences and jailed, quite rightly!

I am afraid that your unreasonable attitude is the result of a fixed and irrational obsession. "This is what I believe, and I don't care what you say, do not confuse me with reality."

And now, because it is obvious that you are barking up the wrong tree, you are "bored". You are not bored at all, you are flabbergasted that Masons have freely and openly answered your questions, every one of them. You sound like my son when he was a young teenager. "You don't know what it's like Dad, I'm bored."

Sheesh!

I appreciated your comments and you stated 'Honestly, and practically speaking, I have no doubt also, that there are corrupt Freemasons and corrupt Police Officers. Put the two together and you have a problem'.

'The door of Freemasonry must be shut, properly tyled and the Lodges cleaned up before it is too late. Masons will understand what I am saying and if they are truthful with themselves, will freely admit that Freemasonry has lost the confidence of the general public.'

I also appreciate about being frank about your walk on part playing the part of a Psychiatrist alongside Georgia Slowe and Christopher Villiers in a British soap called Emmerdale which your Masonic Influence did not conflict with in getting the part...

I was referring to appeal against a parking ticket that you have a certain amount of time to appeal against before payment.. I can't see the point of prolonging a thread about it ..I find it stifling to continue on about the topic..I disagreed with what you said (and still do) but because I have not taken your stance you accuse me of having a fixed and irrational obsession and flabbergasted that Masons have freely answered your questions... I think you are being irrational by that statement..

I have had many comments from previous posts on these threads and from my experience yours is the first (from a mason) to make a facetious comment and coming from the Grandsecretary of all England. Hmmm

[grandsecretary]

I appreciated your comments and you stated 'Honestly, and practically speaking, I have no doubt also, that there are corrupt Freemasons and corrupt Police Officers. Put the two together and you have a problem'.

'The door of Freemasonry must be shut, properly tyled and the Lodges cleaned up before it is too late. Masons will understand what I am saying and if they are truthful with themselves, will freely admit that Freemasonry has lost the confidence of the general public.'

I also appreciate about being frank about your walk on part playing the part of a Psychiatrist alongside Georgia Slowe and Christopher Villiers in a British soap called Emmerdale which your Masonic Influence did not conflict with in getting the part...

I was referring to appeal against a parking ticket that you have a certain amount of time to appeal against before payment.. I can't see the point of prolonging a thread about it ..I find it stifling to continue on about the topic..I disagreed with what you said (and still do) but because I have not taken your stance you accuse me of having a fixed and irrational obsession and flabbergasted that Masons have freely answered your questions... I think you are being irrational by that statement..

I have had many comments from previous posts on these threads and from my experience yours is the first (from a mason) to make a facetious comment and coming from the Grandsecretary of all England. Hmmm

No I will not accept that. It was not a facetious comment. You suggested that because of "who you know" it is possible to escape a criminal conviction. I would never say never, but it would be such a rare criminal offence that it is not acceptable to put this theory forward as either a normal or acceptable every day happening. It is NOT.

[diamond dogs]

No I will not accept that. It was not a facetious comment. You suggested that because of "who you know" it is possible to escape a criminal conviction. I would never say never, but it would be such a rare criminal offence that it is not acceptable to put this theory forward as either a normal or acceptable every day happening. It is NOT.

I classed this as facetious..
DISAPPROVING
not serious about a subject, in an attempt to be amusing or to appear clever:

And now, because it is obvious that you are barking up the wrong tree, you are "bored". You are not bored at all, you are flabbergasted that Masons have freely and openly answered your questions, every one of them. You sound like my son when he was a young teenager. "You don't know what it's like Dad, I'm bored."

I would not be able to prove that it can happen....and I did not state that it is normal and an every day occurence..this where I find the threads become tedious..

I thought I was wasting your valuable time..but as I subscribe to the David Icke forum and as I am a member then we are entitled to our opinions..and I for one will not be repressed.

I know some people that still believe JFK was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald (Can you believe it) but it now obvious to many people this is a myth and although actual facts are very hard to come by, it does not mean it is a fabrication of events...the easiest thing to do is to label someone but sometimes it might be harder to admit to oneself that things are not what they seem?

[grandsecretary]

I classed this as facetious..
DISAPPROVING
not serious about a subject, in an attempt to be amusing or to appear clever:

And now, because it is obvious that you are barking up the wrong tree, you are "bored". You are not bored at all, you are flabbergasted that Masons have freely and openly answered your questions, every one of them. You sound like my son when he was a young teenager. "You don't know what it's like Dad, I'm bored."

I would not be able to prove that it can happen....and I did not state that it is normal and an every day occurence..this where I find the threads become tedious..

I thought I was wasting your valuable time..but as I subscribe to the David Icke forum and as I am a member then we are entitled to our opinions..and I for one will not be repressed.

I know some people that still believe JFK was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald (Can you believe it) but it now obvious to many people this is a myth and although actual facts are very hard to come by, it does not mean it is a fabrication of events...the easiest thing to do is to label someone but sometimes it might be harder to admit to oneself that things are not what they seem?

Well this is where we can agree. IMHO very few things in life are exactly how they seem, and very rarely how we would like them to be.

[diamond dogs]

Well this is where we can agree. IMHO very few things in life are exactly how they seem, and very rarely how we would like them to be.

Unfortunately....

[stewart edwards]

the easiest thing to do is to label someone but sometimes it might be harder to admit to oneself that things are not what they seem?Indeed.


Over the past five years I have noticed an increasing willingness of Masons to admit that not all in the garden is rosy. I just wonder if in five years time they will still be at the comming to terms stage or whether they will have done something about it and resolved the issues for the future health of the masonic world (and indeed the wider world as a by product).

1. Dont underestimate how difficult it is to admit that you have a problem though.
2. Dont then underestimate how difficult it then is to actually do something about it.
3. Dont underestimate how much more difficult this is for the fractured, and sadly in places apparently ego driven, masonic world.

That said the solutions are dead simple and blindinly obvious as I for one have been harping on about for years now, as well as working quite hard behind the scenes (though admittedly in absolute terms I have done very little) to help the masonic world move forwards. I know that the solutions work for they worked on me when I used them to dig myself out of darkness a decade ago.

Anyhow you are correct, admitting to a problem is the first major hurdle, but it is not the only one. The will to do something about it is also required. And if lots of masons want to maintain the status Quo (cause "it aint broke") you must find a way to open their hearts to what they have missed before they will then want to do something about it.

Soap box put away.

[diamond dogs]

Indeed.


Over the past five years I have noticed an increasing willingness of Masons to admit that not all in the garden is rosy. I just wonder if in five years time they will still be at the comming to terms stage or whether they will have done something about it and resolved the issues for the future health of the masonic world (and indeed the wider world as a by product).

1. Dont underestimate how difficult it is to admit that you have a problem though.
2. Dont then underestimate how difficult it then is to actually do something about it.
3. Dont underestimate how much more difficult this is for the fractured, and sadly in places apparently ego driven, masonic world.

That said the solutions are dead simple and blindinly obvious as I for one have been harping on about for years now, as well as working quite hard behind the scenes (though admittedly in absolute terms I have done very little) to help the masonic world move forwards. I know that the solutions work for they worked on me when I used them to dig myself out of darkness a decade ago.

Anyhow you are correct, admitting to a problem is the first major hurdle, but it is not the only one. The will to do something about it is also required. And if lots of masons want to maintain the status Quo (cause "it aint broke") you must find a way to open their hearts to what they have missed before they will then want to do something about it.

Soap box put away.

Well not a million miles off from some of our principles on this forum....If we want a better society for our children then apart from posting on these forums we have to make people aware of the bigger picture because apart from squabbles about this and that the bigger agenda is not looking good imo and where will we all be in five years time...???

Or if you believe in any of the theories about 2012 ...3 Years time :)

I think we are in for major change one way or another...?

[stewart edwards]

the bigger agenda is not looking good imo and where will we all be in five years time...???

Or if you believe in any of the theories about 2012 ...3 Years time :)

I think we are in for major change one way or another...?My opinion:-

1. 2012 will come and go largely unnoticed. Britain will host the Olympics and life will go on.

2. That said, I do believe that humanity is at a facinating time in its own history. On the one hand the world has become hugely out of natural balance, and this will cause it to reset itself. Overreliance on technology could be our downfall, just as the ancient legends of Atlantis suggest that it could have been back then. I can hear some say "but this time it will be different beacuse.......and history repeats itself. But on the other hand the human race have the opportunity and ability to leave puberty and find its humanity. This will help restore the natural balance on this planet which will resolve many issues. But will it? I dont know. I hope that it does. I do what little I can to help this happen.

[diamond dogs]

My opinion:-

1. 2012 will come and go largely unnoticed. Britain will host the Olympics and life will go on.

2. That said, I do believe that humanity is at a facinating time in its own history. On the one hand the world has become hugely out of natural balance, and this will cause it to reset itself. Overreliance on technology could be our downfall, just as the ancient legends of Atlantis suggest that it could have been back then. I can hear some say "but this time it will be different beacuse.......and history repeats itself. But on the other hand the human race have the opportunity and ability to leave puberty and find its humanity. This will help restore the natural balance on this planet which will resolve many issues. But will it? I dont know. I hope that it does. I do what little I can to help this happen.

I am not so sure about just coming and going as I believe there is so much more to the Mayan calendar and depictions in the Systine Chapel?? I actually heard a radio report (it was on very early am) about German scientists discovering a massive black hole in the middle of the universe 1000's more dense than the Sun :eek: a few weeks ago and fact that the planets align and there have been reported infringes of The Earth's magnetic field but mainstream media...nothing...why?

Even theories about devine Intervention (hence project Bluebeam faked landings?)..Tebitian Monks remote viewing (india times)..that is why I come to these forums..to learn more of what's potentially going on...

I was a little apprehensive about the theories but I am much more convinced now about people's conscioutness being 'activated' and becoming more 'awake' there was a report in The sun about the poles shifting...but again nothing too much mainstream..even to deny it..??

I find it all fascinating along with other people's opinions and who knows but I do think things will get much worse (?) before it gets better...but long term we will enter a new Golden Age?....

2012 Olympics :eek:

[stewart edwards]

but I am much more convinced now about people's conscioutness being 'activated' and becoming more 'awake'If you look closely you will see that this is happening mainly in the younger generations, so over time the situation will resolve itself. In the medium term however some old boys may cause a bit of a ruckus at the new kids on the block knowing more than they do. If you believe in reincarnation you could see this as an increase in wise old souls reincarnating to help at this difficult time for the human race.


there was a report in The sun about the poles shifting...but again nothing too much mainstream..even to deny it..??

It is there, even an old university course on oceanography that I did had this stuff in it. There is lots of scientific evidence gained form rock strata on the ocean bed that prove that the magnetic poles on this planet regularly reverse. In fact by historical records we are way overdue. Dont expect much food when this happens as polination etc will be up the spout as birds fly in different patterns etc (they follow magnetic lines). Any science library will have volumes of stuff on it.

It is scary when you read about it for the first time, and no doubt will be very scary if we go through it, but I am confident that the powers that be have an awareness of the possibilities. Whether they are doing anything about it is a different matter as that would take global cooperation and not worrying about the politics of reelection. Mind you all that they could do would be to minimise its adverse effects while the human race adapted.


The big threat is that with increasing population on less land (rising sea levels and coastal erosion), with less argrictural land (due to homes and work for said people), which is becoming less productive (through over use etc - big problem in America), combined with reducing fresh water supplies as the natural air/ocean balance continues to change (eg less glacier run off and more salty seawater), you will find that wars start over things like water. This could bring out the worst side of human nature and take us back to the beginning of time for a new cycle. But if we can find our humanity in time, then through demographic changes (increased global mobility etc) we might just be able to move forwards. It is just a belief but I do believe that if the human race can find its humanity, it will help rebalance some of the natural fractures on this planet leading to improvements and also will give us an entry ticket into the space faring communities (ok you can consider me barmy on this one).


Vote "Stewart" aka "SloggingScotsman" in triathlon/dualthlon/marathon circles for Secretary General of the United Nations. ("Slogging" as I am clinically obese yet manage these things).

[diamond dogs]

If you look closely you will see that this is happening mainly in the younger generations, so over time the situation will resolve itself. In the medium term however some old boys may cause a bit of a ruckus at the new kids on the block knowing more than they do. If you believe in reincarnation you could see this as an increase in wise old souls reincarnating to help at this difficult time for the human race.



It is there, even an old university course on oceanography that I did had this stuff in it. There is lots of scientific evidence gained form rock strata on the ocean bed that prove that the magnetic poles on this planet regularly reverse. In fact by historical records we are way overdue. Dont expect much food when this happens as polination etc will be up the spout as birds fly in different patterns etc (they follow magnetic lines). Any science library will have volumes of stuff on it.

It is scary when you read about it for the first time, and no doubt will be very scary if we go through it, but I am confident that the powers that be have an awareness of the possibilities. Whether they are doing anything about it is a different matter as that would take global cooperation and not worrying about the politics of reelection. Mind you all that they could do would be to minimise its adverse effects while the human race adapted.

I did not realise you were so clued up..this is what I was trying to get across to Grandsecretary about comments on threads becoming tedious and weighing your energy down when there are so much more possiblities and look how this thread has turned from a bumper sticker to The Poles shifting (If I ever see one it will remind of a pole shift) :)

My theories keep changing as I suppose I am relatively a novice to the information although I have always been curious and not believed the official story.. and since I have had access to the information to feed my desire to learn and undrstand more about the 'reality' of who we are and purpose and reading DI books (I was changed after reading I am me I am Free) etc it has been refreshing to say the least..it seems to fit in better with my psyche and much less desire and reliance on immaterial things...

I think the potentials are endless with the advanced technology available but whether we will be able to benefit from the likes of free fenergy, Scramjet since the sixties (technology that uses the compressed air from the jet as fuel) and much more I doubt it because tptb want to keep us all in a hypnotic state?

Very interesting about the food situation and there have been many reports of Bee colonies dying (symbolic?) I have stocked up on honey as there is going to be a shortage apparently proof things starting to happen? I did not know about the birds flying on magnetic lines..you should post some of your knowledge on the forums if you haven't already...I live near a Leyline and often go there to 'recharge' my batteries...I intend to walk some of The Leyline this year poss culminating somewhere on the ley for the Sumer Solstice..

I also intend to doing a survival course as they seem to be putting something in our faces about it..your food theory could be a valid reason?

I think there is so much more going on atm thus tptb are suppressing and quelling the potential..you only have to take a look around and mainstream media TV etc..all designed to dumb down people's awareness imo fascinating nonetheless :)

[grandsecretary]

From memory reversal of polarity does not happen that often, say 5 times per million years and is a reducing phenomenon.

[diamond dogs]

From memory reversal of polarity does not happen that often, say 5 times per million years and is a reducing phenomenon.


Earth's Core, Magnetic Field Changing Fast, Study Says
Kimberly Johnson
for National Geographic News
June 30, 2008

Rapid changes in the churning movement of Earth's liquid outer core are weakening the magnetic field in some regions of the planet's surface, a new study says.

"What is so surprising is that rapid, almost sudden, changes take place in the Earth's magnetic field," said study co-author Nils Olsen, a geophysicist at the Danish National Space Center in Copenhagen.

The findings suggest similarly quick changes are simultaneously occurring in the liquid metal, 1,900 miles (3,000 kilometers) below the surface, he said.

The swirling flow of molten iron and nickel around Earth's solid center triggers an electrical current, which generates the planet's magnetic field.

(Learn more about Earth's interior.)

The study, published recently in Nature Geoscience, modeled Earth's magnetic field using nine years of highly accurate satellite data.

Flip-Flop

Fluctuations in the magnetic field have occurred in several far-flung regions of Earth, the researchers found.

In 2003 scientists found pronounced changes in the magnetic field in the Australasian region. In 2004, however, the changes were focused on Southern Africa.



The changes "may suggest the possibility of an upcoming reversal of the geomagnetic field," said study co-author Mioara Mandea, a scientist at the German Research Centre for Geosciences in Potsdam.

Earth's magnetic field has reversed hundreds of times over the past billion years, and the process could take thousands of years to complete.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/76158139.html

Indeed..I think some people are of the opinion that Dec21 2012 they will wake up and North will be South... I think there is something def going on atm probably at the very beginning of occurence??

[stewart edwards]

Imagine yourself as a power that be.

What would you do?

Would you panic people re events that you have no control over, which may or may not happen in your lifetime, even though they inevitably will, or which you simply cant sort because egos have taken over from common sense?

Cant be easy for them. And sadly some may just be interested in reelection, their pay packet, or which club they are in, or their pension.

And once I fill my "power that be" application form in, I doubt it will be easy for me either. The only thing on my side diamond dogs is that I am well educated, have spent a lifetime thinking about this sort of stuff, and have gone through in my own life a lot stuff which has given me the experience and skills that I need to do what I do. Re the Masonic stuff, I did not learn it in a lodge, I quite literally work up one day realised that I had fallen in to darkness, decided to dig myself out of it, and did it.

You sound like where I was a decade ago in terms of beginning to get to grips with this sort of stuff. The best thing that I can say to you is dont worry about it, just be the best person you can be, and you will positively affect those around you, and that does make a difference. The rest will come in time.


Added: If you search new Scientist online you will find articles that suggest that the flip could happen in a flash. The phenomenon is well recorded in mainstream scientific journals and university courses.

[diamond dogs]

Imagine yourself as a power that be.

What would you do?

Would you panic people re events that you have no control over, which may or may not happen in your lifetime, even though they inevitably will, or which you simply cant sort because egos have taken over from common sense?

Cant be easy for them.

And once I fill my "power that be" application form in, I doubt it will be easy for me either. The only thing on my side diamond dogs is that I am well educated, have spent a lifetime thinking about this sort of stuff, and have gone through in my own life a lot stuff which has given me the experience and skills that I need to do what I do. Re the Masonic stuff, I did not learn it in a lodge, I quite literally work up one day realised that I had fallen in to darkness, decided to dig myself out of it, and did it.

You sound like where I was a decade ago in terms of beginning to get to griops with this sort of stuff. The best thing that I can say to you is dont worry about it, just be the best person you can be, and you will positively affect those around you, and that does make a difference.

I have reservations about the intentions of tptb So many scams going on imo...I forgot to ask about the space sky farming?..

Thanks so much for your advise..I feel as though I am on some course..it helps when you people like you digress to pass on some of your knowleedge... I remember my elderly Grandmother telling me.. Isn't life just a game! :)

[keystone]

From memory reversal of polarity does not happen that often, say 5 times per million years and is a reducing phenomenon.You remember the last time?

















:D:D;):eek:

[grandsecretary]

You remember the last time?

:D:D;):eek:

No, what was it like? :p

[localidiot]

Remarkably off topic now.

True polar reversals seem to happen somewhat at random, and fairly slowly. The Earth rarely makes many fast changes, s'why I like Geology so much.

from Wikipedia
At present, the overall geomagnetic field is becoming weaker at a rate which would, if it continues, cause the dipole field to temporarily collapse by 3000–4000 AD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

Anyway, back to the topic, so I take it no one's tried this then, or willing to try this?
My point of the thread is there are several beliefs abou Masonry and what being a Mason entails, of them, this is the simplest one to test.

[eastbeast]

Remarkably off topic now.

True polar reversals seem to happen somewhat at random, and fairly slowly. The Earth rarely makes many fast changes, s'why I like Geology so much.



Me too........Geology rocks!!!!!!

[localidiot]

Me too........Geology rocks!!!!!!
Ouch. >_<

[banoyes]

Ouch. >_<
Ahh Pals playing
how very telling
and localidiot is not a maison, he just wants to be one
perhaps his persistent pandering will get him in the door
he belongs there

[stewart edwards]

Ahh Pals playing
how very telling
and localidiot is not a maison, he just wants to be one
perhaps his persistent pandering will get him in the door
he belongs thereOh, please sir can I join to...pleeeeeaaaaassssseeeeeee...............:D :eek:

[banoyes]

Oh, please sir can I join to...pleeeeeaaaaassssseeeeeee...............:D :eek:
You have begged the maisons in the past, alas for you poor Stewart, a maison at heart with no place to go
you will have to remain with the profane , with your nose pressed on the freemason window
but one never knows
maybe the maisons on this site will give your pandering the attention it deserves
then you too can sell your soul for a lambskin apron

[stewart edwards]

You have begged the maisons in the past, alas for you poor Stewart, a maison at heart with no place to go
you will have to remain with the profane , with your nose pressed on the freemason window
but one never knows
maybe the maisons on this site will give your pandering the attention it deserves
then you too can sell your soul for a lambskin apron
ppssssttt banoyes, let me share a little secret with you, only youmind, so shuuush now...............If I wanted to join I could quite easily nowadays. Unless of course I am vastly misinformed. Not to the lodge that rejected me I give you (though to be fair I havent asked them), and probably not to UGLE, but then again I wouldnt fit into most UGLE lodges so that is academic.

Dont go telling anyone now will you.:eek:

[grandsecretary]

ppssssttt banoyes, let me share a little secret with you, only youmind, so shuuush now...............If I wanted to join I could quite easily nowadays. Unless of course I am vastly misinformed. Not to the lodge that rejected me I give you (though to be fair I havent asked them), and probably not to UGLE, but then again I wouldnt fit into most UGLE lodges so that is academic.

Dont go telling anyone now will you.:eek:

Well now that this is in the open I can comment. Stewart has been asked, several times to put himself forward for Freemasonry, and has reserved his position.

Stewart is well loved by Freemasons of all jurisdictions, including the UGLE.

[banoyes]

Stewart is well loved by Freemasons of all jurisdictions, including the UGLE.

WOW what a surprise!!!
to no one

[gtycoon]

That's because of efficient moderation :)

Back on topic:

What would happen if you try to pull some of the tricks and cop figures out that you are faking? Not very nice situation I guess?

I tied to do this and failed the question.

Once you initiate a code they usually ask you a counter code. This is always done in private.

Once you say one code they say "What do you mean?" then you are supposed to counter that with another phrase and on and on.

Like "Im just a traveling man on my way"
Where are you traveling from?
From the north to the south the east to the west
What are you looking for?
To find what was lost?
it goes on and on......

Not those exact words.....


I was in unfortunate position to answer wrong....

[gtycoon]

One of the frequent things I've heard about masonry is that a FreeMason bumper sticker will get you out of a speeding ticket, among other things.

Now, seeing as how apparently the handsigns and handshakes and such are apparently well known as well, it seems that at least a couple a few folks should be able to pass themselves off, possibly get a video of the event, should they get pulled over.

The easiest way to get a sticker would be to peal one off of a Masons car, or order them from a Masonic site such as this one: <<ADVERTISING>>

And that's just one site, noticed several more in the list of results as well.

80% State police Mason VERIFIED by Mason

50% City Police masons VERIFIED by non mason

Majority of Judges HEARSAY

Magistrates ?

[localidiot]

80% State police Mason VERIFIED by Mason

50% City Police masons VERIFIED by non mason

Majority of Judges HEARSAY

Magistrates ?

Linkage?

[michael christopher]

Linkage?

Just like all statistics here, those are probably based on hearsay.

[the guy in pink]

80% State police Mason VERIFIED by Mason

50% City Police masons VERIFIED by non mason

Majority of Judges HEARSAY

Magistrates ?

Which State? How many police in the state?
Which City? How many police in the city?
We can then check against the number of Masons in the state and city, (probably on the GL website) for a reality check

[eastbeast]

Ahh Pals playing
how very telling
and localidiot is not a maison, he just wants to be one
perhaps his persistent pandering will get him in the door
he belongs there


Perhaps I should have explained my little pun so the slower thinkers here could understand it when I said "Geology rocks"

So for the not so intelligent among us - IT WAS A PUN.

I sometimes feel that some contributors to this community are slightly stretched beyond their intellectual capacities.

[eastbeast]

I tied to do this and failed the question.

Once you initiate a code they usually ask you a counter code. This is always done in private.

Once you say one code they say "What do you mean?" then you are supposed to counter that with another phrase and on and on.

Like "Im just a traveling man on my way"
Where are you traveling from?
From the north to the south the east to the west
What are you looking for?
To find what was lost?
it goes on and on......

Not those exact words.....


I was in unfortunate position to answer wrong....

Did you get his Goat?

Ah the puns just keep coming......

I really wouldn't recommend trying it, you are just as likely to get a cop who doesn't like Masons.......Then what would happen.....

[eastbeast]

Just like all statistics here, those are probably based on hearsay.


A survey once found that 98% of statistics were totally fabricated.