Global warming is just natural!

[freedom_thoughts]

After spending alot of time reading various articles on our planet Earth getting warmer, and also cooler, over thousands of years, I'm still at a loss to what is actually happening right now and will do in the near future.

When I really sit back and think about the words Global WARMING ... I start to think "Well, what has the greatest impact on this Earth of actually warming it?" ... would it be us 6 billion human beings and what we are doing, or, could it be that hugely massive big large yellow/orange thing in Space, that is really really reeeeeally warm, and that we call the 'Sun', that same thing we call the Sun that absolutely and completely dwarfs our planet earth, by a factor of something that my mind cannot comprehend?

Now, what is obvious to me, is that when the Sun shines down on this lovely planet of ours, I get warm, as does the land I stand on and so too, the air around me.

And when the Sun doesn't shine, I get cold, as does the land I stand on, and again, so too, the air around me.

So then it seems to make sense to me that if and when this lovely warm (really really warm) Sun decides to start getting a tad warmer (read really really warm and also I could call it a 'Sun-Cycle' or something, although I can't see a bike big enough for the Sun to get on, but hey, you never know!:p) ... then surely it would have an effect on everything else in the same universe (and possibly beyond?).

So with that in mind could not that same warmth (read a really really lot of warmth, ok sorry, i'll stop with that now!:o) be a pretty big factor of any type of warming for oh I don't know, lets say, a planet ... and maybe, a planet like Earth perhaps??

And when this Sun decides to get warmer and cooler (perhaps again calling this a 'Sun-Cycle') it would then make this Earth, warmer and cooler, and at the same time, by the biggest factor causing the same warming and cooling of this planet Earth?

It seems simple enough when I type it out like this and read it back, but it seems that most other people don't understand it like I seem to be understanding it.

So, with all that in mind, I don't see why no-one can understand what this big large really rea... (sorry I said I would stop that didn't I?) ... Sun is doing to our planet Earth each and every day, and each and every year, decade and century etc since it has been burning away.

I can understand that us humans and our daily lives can and probably do have an effect of some kind also on this planet Earth, but I really really cannot believe that in the short space of time we have been 'on' this planet Earth, that we are really having that much more of an effect than that really big Sun up there in Space.

So with that out of the way, what exactly am I on about? ... who know's, I certainly don't.:confused:

But I do know that I will never believe that the Sun has less of an effect on this planets warming and cooling than all of us humans put together, whether we are destructive or constructive in our daily lives, at any time, now or in the future.

So there!

[dragond]

the way i see global warming myth is similar to a woman going through her period.. this IS natural coz earth like a woman goes through these cycles.. back in the 1970's they had a report out that Global Cooling was on its way and ice age was inevitable,, now we hear the global warming scam.. world is heating up thats true but so as all the other planets in our solar system.. there is loads of things tied to this like earths magnetic field seems to be getting weaker, ozone layer is getting thinner and sun getting hotter.. so no matter how much they blame an ordinary man/women for the couse of this myth its nothing but a revenue generator for all governments around the world.. few months back i read a story that within few years every house hold in UK have to pay global warming tax..!:rolleyes:
U see what i mean?

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[dreamweaver]

the way i see global warming myth is similar to a woman going through her period.. this IS natural coz earth like a woman goes through these cycles.. back in the 1970's they had a report out that Global Cooling was on its way and ice age was inevitable,, now we hear the global warming scam.. world is heating up thats true

No, it's not true that the world is heating up at the moment. Global temperatures have actually been going down slightly since 1998. Indeed, some climate scientists don't expect it to warm up again until 2015 and have been preparing their excuses in advance: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthcomment/charlesclover/3341068/Global-warming-may-%27stop%27%2C-scientists-predict.html

But the argument about warming on the other planets isn't as strong as you might think. All planets have natural variations in their temperatures over thousands of years because of changes in their orbit, tilt and precession - these are called Milankovitch cycles and are a well-known and predictable phenomenon.

Even the global warming nuts acknowledge that earth has its own Milankovitch cycles. The problem is that these operate over thousands of years and don't really account for the temperature rise over the past hundred years or so. Sunspot activity may account for some of it, but that's not the whole story either.

There is such a thing as the greenhouse effect by the way - and it's a good thing too. We would all freeze in temperatures of -200C each night if it didn't exist, rather like on the dark side of the moon. What is bullshit is the idea that all climate change is all down to the tiny amount of CO2 that humans put into the atmosphere.

Even if the amount emitted by human activity was significant (and I don't believe it is), we would be far better preparing for it with flood defences etc rather than this stupid King Canute gesture of trying to reverse something that is mostly a natural process anyway.

[eternal_spirit]

Well where I live England UK the chemtrails are blocking out the sun most of the time. Mid summer has been very cold for the time of year for about the past 5 years at least.

I think the first post is onto something, the Sun has a mind of it's own and the weather etc are much less effected by mankind than the propaganda scientists who work for the UN are letting on.

There's been some scientists etc who have written about what they call the global warming scam.

HAARP and chemtrails are used to manipulate the weather, which makes some of those who don't know this believe in the global warming scam.

[dreamweaver]

There's been some scientists etc who have written about what they call the global warming scam.

HAARP and chemtrails are used to manipulate the weather, which makes some of those who don't know this believe in the global warming scam.
Global warming as presented by Al Gore, the IPCC and the politicians and industrialists who stand to gain from it is certainly a scam.

That does not mean "chemtrails" exists as anything other than an internet meme though.

[kblood]

Its also claimed that sunspot cycles are causing the global warming and therefore it also affects other planets, and still quite natural.

[dreamweaver]

Its also claimed that sunspot cycles are causing the global warming and therefore it also affects other planets, and still quite natural.

Unfortunately the sunspot cycles stopped correlating with global temperatures around the mid-1980s.

http://members.shaw.ca/sch25/FOS/Sunspot%20cycle%20global%20temp.jpg

Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so. I'm afraid the people trying to say it's all down to sunspot activity are being as fraudulent as the global warming scammers themselves.

The truth is rather more complicated and doesn't sit comfortably with the soundbite politics on either side of the argument. The scam is that the politicians are deliberately exaggerating a "problem" so they can impose their "solution".

[wazaaap]

Unfortunately the sunspot cycles stopped correlating with global temperatures around the mid-1980s.

http://members.shaw.ca/sch25/FOS/Sunspot%20cycle%20global%20temp.jpg

Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so. I'm afraid the people trying to say it's all down to sunspot activity are being as fraudulent as the global warming scammers themselves.

The truth is rather more complicated and doesn't sit comfortably with the soundbite politics on either side of the argument. The scam is that the politicians are deliberately exaggerating a "problem" so they can impose their "solution".


this graph is not correct - source?

[dreamweaver]

That particular graph comes from http://members.shaw.ca/sch25/FOS/Climate_Change_Science.html#CO2_Versus_Sun which gives the various sources in the text.

Here's another one showing a divergence between temperatures and solar cycles since the 1980s.

http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/homes/chris/cycleT.png

http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/homes/chris