What is the point?

[joy division]

Sorry to bring people down, but more often than not i have to ask my self, What is the point? Nothing in this world means anything and is totally pointless.

I work, for what? to pay tax and live but i just dont see a point to it all and am tired of this shit.

[king]

Sorry to bring people down, but more often than not i have to ask my self, What is the point? Nothing in this world means anything and is totally pointless.

I work, for what? to pay tax and live but i just dont see a point to it all and am tired of this shit.

the point is not to give up!

the point is that we are under constant psyops and that
we should learn to say know, or enough is enough.

the point is that those mofos will once again fail, miserably because of brave people like you who will continue to do what is right and who are the architechts of an idea that one day will take over the world and change things for better.

it is all in your head....

[Anders Lindman]

The point is to move up from the morass of suffering. The normal state should be a state between suffering and happiness. The problem is, in my own case, and in all other people it seems, that the normal state is not at that midpoint, but instead much below it, meaning, that our everyday state on average contains much more suffering than happiness.

The ordinary everyday life should be like waves up and down. Sometimes negative emotions, sometimes positive emotions, but with a balanced average. Imagine a scale going from -10 to +10, where -10 represents the baddest suffering and +10 peak ecstasy, then the normal everyday average should be 0 (zero), but it isn't. For most people the midpoint is way below zero, and that indicates a pathology, a dysfunction in both ourselves and in society.

The midpoint, represented by zero on the scale, how does that level feel like? Some may think that the zero state represents some boring or bleak state, but that is not so at all. Boredom and bleakness are NEGATIVE states, not the zero state at all, so the balanced midpoint zero state actually is something that feels very good.

[seanx]

I read recently this simple idea from a small book Grieve, no more Beloved,
by Ormond McGill,

"Life is just like the playing of a game.

The playing of a game has no real purpose. It is the enjoyment
of the playing that is the purpose"

You say your're tired - fed-up. Can I ask you? How many beautiful
women have you made love to ? Have you already experienced the
infinite dept of pleasure that's possible while in a physical body?

In deep meditation, your body produces chemicals 100 times more
powerful and natural than all the man-made imitations.

Have you experienced all of these in a physical body? Are you going
to deny yourself this choice.

This forum is great - but don't take all this NWO stuff too seriously.

Yes, it's a reality - but it's not the only one. Some people on this
forum are all doom and gloom - but remember there is more light
than dark - and the main thing is to 'enjoy playing the game' -
and help other people do the same.

[eternal_spirit]

Everyone needs some fun time. Find something you enjoy doing and go do it as much as you can when you can.

[synergy777]

the point is to win and we will win. head up bro. as long humanity sticks together, we can do it, some are waiting for prophets, creator to do the work. others are ready to do it no matter what, and without support from the creator/prophets, like me. we have eachother, and its enough. when the chosen decide to swan in and help, then take all the glory/praise/publicity its all good (better late than never, lol). until then, we go on, forward together. all i know is that not many have helped publically, forums, researched. icke has done more good than most religous clones, prophets.

bro i been waiting for the creator, some religous experience, epiphany all my life, its ain't happening, it only happens in hollywood or elite edited books. so i have decided to ignore the religous, spiritual side and be more pragmatic about it, its not the perferred way, but what choice do i have. carry on waiting, wishing, nah, just do it, lol i have been into this stuff for ages, i got here by myself, without much help, and huge obstacles had to be overcome, i still did it. i took the ego shocks, the public ridicule, persecution, jokes, but the same people that gave me shit, won't say it publically, they just act all nice. its a trying changing time, but its worth it.

just do the best you can do, thats it bro. see putting your faith in hope, superstition, intangible concepts that you have never experienced, then trying to find some meaning to coincidences, only breeds paranoia, egocentric beliefs etc. trust me after reading this stuff, i thought i am awake, i know, i am one of the chosen, lol, its all ego bullshit. we are regular people, trying to do the best thing we can, in very difficult circumstances.

one love/peace

[eternal_spirit]

It's true when you find out you can't really fly or magically make things happen that it's a big dissappointment at first. Better to believe in what you know to be true and live the truth than try and live an illusion, fantasy which ultimately leads to more delsusions and becoming deluded.

[seanx]

It's true when you find out you can't really fly or magically make things happen that it's a big dissappointment at first.

How did you try to make things happen?

Maybe you're not seeing the full picture? Yes, it is very difficult to
' magically make things happen ' - you must get to a stage of
'knowing; it can be done - not 'believing' - which is a pale
imimtation of knowing.

How did you try to get yourself to this stage of 'knowing' - ans why do
you think it is now impossible?

[eternal_spirit]

Magic is an illusion black magicians use their magick to delude everday of the year.

Harry Potter and flying also come to mind. More illsuons, none reality. Like the new age teachings.

[adramelech]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8909/joker1fe7.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joker1fe7.jpg)
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8683/joker2hr9.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joker2hr9.jpg)
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[space monkey]

the point is to win and we will win.

That, or we'll all line up to get chiped like cattle when the Blue Beam/Greenstar space ships descend, ID4 style.

EXO POLITICS MUSE VIDEO - YouTube

:eek:

[truthcommission]

Joy Division I know how you feel.

For years I have struggled with feelings of absolute emptiness, meaningless and bouts of extremes highs and lows.

I have tried every drug around but none of them seem to work.

I went to see the Dalai Lama the other day and he said something which made sense.

His basic message was that the suffering in which humans endure in the form of depression, loneliness, anger, frustration and jealousy are all caused by a lack of compassion.

When we start practicing INFINITE and unbiased compassion our suffering will begin to disappear.

[auron]

When you re-connect to the infinite, the phrase "What is the point?" becomes meaningless. :)

[truthcommission]

When you re-connect to the infinite, the phrase "What is the point?" becomes meaningless. :)
V. good point.

[montag]

When you re-connect to the infinite, the phrase "What is the point?" becomes meaningless. :)
I once apprenticed to a wise old medicine man. People traveled from around the world to ask his advice and seek his blessings. As I discuss the topic of awakening, I think of him and the wise counsel which he gave everyone who sought him out. "When you are sick and tired of being sick and tired, you will do something." Those great words of fact also ring true as we discuss your awakening. When will you awaken? When you are
sick and tired of being sick and tired.
http://www.shamans-cave.com/novus_awakening.htm
:)

[lemonique]

Joy Division I know how you feel.

For years I have struggled with feelings of absolute emptiness, meaningless and bouts of extremes highs and lows.

I have tried every drug around but none of them seem to work.

I went to see the Dalai Lama the other day and he said something which made sense.

His basic message was that the suffering in which humans endure in the form of depression, loneliness, anger, frustration and jealousy are all caused by a lack of compassion.

When we start practicing INFINITE and unbiased compassion our suffering will begin to disappear.


That's right TC, and one can start with feeling love and compassion for OURSELVES. When a person can look at themselves in the mirror and tell that person 'I love you', other things fall into place. Without love and compassion for the self, it's very hard to feel it for others. Doing the mirror thing was one of the hardest things I have ever done, but it pays off once it can be conquered.
Good thoughts coming your way joydivision :)

[the festival spirit]

When you re-connect to the infinite, the phrase "What is the point?"
becomes meaningless. :)

V. good point.

Very XLNT point, I nicked this from another thread, thought it might help you feel more
infinite and get paid for it ;) little bits may be irrelevent to you, but here it is



I think the best way to resist this kind of thing is to block out the incoming negative energy by creating your own positive energies, there are many ways to do this and meditation has been suggested by edelweiss pirate. I think there are many ways to meditate and you can do it all the time, in fact, we do meditate all the time, but most people think of meditation as some mystical hippy thing to do with incense and yoga and stuff.

You can meditate while you are at work or play, I 'meditate' in lots of ways, I used to make wooden toys for my kids when they were younger, I love to work with wood and can easily float off into a dream world when making something, I go into a phase of concentrating deeply on the work I am doing, maybe smoothing a piece of wood, or reading, or when I am taking photos out in the country,, you can turn almost anything into meditation once you are aware of how to do it.

The best form of resistance to negative energy is to replace it with your own positive energy, whatever that may be, read a book, have happy thoughts while working, even if it is a job that you dont like doing. sometimes you can learn how to meditate instantly and you may even be able to make a few moments concentration feel like a lifetime, I think 'lightbeing' (a member on here, correct me if I am wrong) found themselves meditating peacfully while painting some gates, a great example, it can happen anytime you like it to happen. If you feel you are being influenced heavily and you have some time spare, you could go teh distance and prepare yourself and have a long meditate, I hope you get the chance to do that often, teh last time I did it, it lasted five days, five days of infinite love.

There is a song called good vibrations, that is what you make when concentrating deeply, good vibrations, and learning to vibrate can only be a good thing, (I think) it has always been good for me. Once you make this kind of behaviour a feature in your life, the negative vibes that surround you will fade away as they wil be less effective on you, you wil be 'fighting ' (figure of speech) off the bad vibrations, and remember once you know how to do it, you can do it at anytime. Good luck to you and yours.

my kids, nieces and nephews are going around saying to people that stress out, "you need to learn how to vibrate."

lol, my niece said it to her mum recently, apparently her face dropped and she didnt know what to say .......my niece didnt actually hang around to tell her either. :) thats another way to minimise negative energy, walk away, but when you are trapped there, like in a 'work place' you can switch your mind to positive vibes anytime you like, and they will even pay you for it.

Best not to work for someone else though, get your own projects and make your own living I say, then you are in control of everything and that makes it even harder for the bad guys to get you!

Good luck again.

s

you can lose 'pointless' easily

[Anders Lindman]

We must also learn how to liberate our reptile brain. Look at a reptile how it can remain motionless for very long periods of time without any form of suffering whatsoever; no guilt, no shame, no boredom, frustration, anger, hatred, sorrow, pain or sense of being tired or wearied. From stillness, the reptile can shift to explosive action within a nanosecond. No lack of energy there, even after having done nothing for a very long time.

A human cannot remain in a state of none-doing for more than a second without starting to suffer tremendously. We still have much to learn.

[eternal_spirit]

Joy Division I know how you feel.

For years I have struggled with feelings of absolute emptiness, meaningless and bouts of extremes highs and lows.

I have tried every drug around but none of them seem to work.

I went to see the Dalai Lama the other day and he said something which made sense.

His basic message was that the suffering in which humans endure in the form of depression, loneliness, anger, frustration and jealousy are all caused by a lack of compassion.

When we start practicing INFINITE and unbiased compassion our suffering will begin to disappear.


That's an okay philosphy if you can be that yourself. But if others around you don't live the way you do, it doesn't work. It's them against you, that's the problem. You can give all the love you have and still not recieve it in return. So the lack of compassion comes from an outside source beyond you're control (other negative people)

I personally think the Dalai Lama is a pamperd pompous assed fraud, just my opinion.

[montag]

We must also learn how to liberate our reptile brain. Look at a reptile how it can remain motionless for very long periods of time without any form of suffering whatsoever; no guilt, no shame, no boredom, frustration, anger, hatred, sorrow, pain or sense of being tired or wearied. From stillness, the reptile can shift to explosive action within a nanosecond. No lack of energy there, even after having done nothing for a very long time.

A human cannot remain in a state of none-doing for more than a second without starting to suffer tremendously. We still have much to learn.
That is because reptiles and our brain stem are merely binary programs, on off, fight or flight.. Suffering is necessary for growth, without suffering there cannot be any depth to our existence. It is possible to move beyond suffering, but not by becoming robots..

[adramelech]

That is because reptiles and our brain stem are merely binary programs, on off, fight or flight.. Suffering is necessary for growth, without suffering there cannot be any depth to our existence. It is possible to move beyond suffering, but not by becoming robots..

The reptilian brain is far more complex than on/off. It influences more of our behaviour on a daily basis than the other portions of the triune brain combined and holds the majority of our most deeply programmed memes and genetic memories. The reptilian brain can also bring you extreme power and understanding.

When you "liberate" the reptilian brain and bring it into awareness with the higher brain functions, you take great strides. The part of the brain which is "on/off" is the limbic, or emotional center. The limbic cannot function without the neocortex. Imagine what sort of being you would have with a fully realized reptilian core feeding directly into a pure intellect center, devoid of emotion or morality. You wouldn't have a robot, you would have an immensely powerful manipulator with no remorse.

The concept of being "empty" and suddenly springing to life may seem robotic, but in reality it has a lot to do with what is best known as the "Buddha nature".

[montag]

Imagine what sort of being you would have with a fully realized reptilian core feeding directly into a pure intellect center, devoid of emotion or morality. You wouldn't have a robot, you would have an immensely powerful manipulator with no remorse.
Or in other words a psychopath, still a robot IMO albeit a highly intelligent one.

Adramelech do you believe in a higher self or the soul or do you believe awareness is generated from the brain?

[ngawaka19]

That's an okay philosphy if you can be that yourself. But if others around you don't live the way you do, it doesn't work. It's them against you, that's the problem. Love is the most powerful and overpowering vibration....lots of us have awesome love energy....have you?


You can give all the love you have and still not recieve it in return. So the lack of compassion comes from an outside source beyond you're control (other negative people) Unconditional love will overcome this.....(there is no pay off, or capital, it is a non profit exchange)

I personally think the Dalai Lama is a pamperd pompous assed fraud, just my opinion.Don't be a meany. He spreads so much love and compassion, he don't deserve that title. Respect.


jah rastafari

[adramelech]

Or in other words a psychopath, still a robot IMO albeit a highly intelligent one.

Adramelech do you believe in a higher self or the soul or do you believe awareness is generated from the brain?

Tricky question because "soul" can have many meanings. I define a soul as a nonphysical unit of consciousness which survives physical death. By this definition, I absolutley believe in the soul and the "higher self". The energy that composes you exists in all dimensions simultaneously, hence the "higher self" can be viewed simply as a manifestation of this energy in a higher vibrational state.

I have done a lot of research when it comes to units of consciousness, spiritual machines and manifestation of awareness. People often accuse me of taking a cold or mechanical view because of this, but I don't think that's the case.

There are primarily two types of psychopaths - those running entirely on internal programs and those who openly choose to engage in predatory behaviour. One is not robotic.

[montag]

Tricky question because "soul" can have many meanings. I define a soul as a nonphysical unit of consciousness which survives physical death. By this definition, I absolutley believe in the soul and the "higher self". The energy that composes you exists in all dimensions simultaneously, hence the "higher self" can be viewed simply as a manifestation of this energy in a higher vibrational state.
We are definitely on the same page here..

There are primarily two types of psychopaths - those running entirely on internal programs and those who openly choose to engage in predatory behaviour. One is not robotic.
This concept is new to me and I'll have to give it some more thought.
Thanks for your response.

Montag

[montag]

There are primarily two types of psychopaths - those running entirely on internal programs and those who openly choose to engage in predatory behaviour. One is not robotic.
Hey Adra, could you expand on this for me? How could you distinguish between the two? What makes one predatory and the other not? Is one merely a program the other the programmer(Soul/Higher self)?

Help me out here..:o

[cleft_asunder]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8909/joker1fe7.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joker1fe7.jpg)
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8683/joker2hr9.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joker2hr9.jpg)
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6189/joker3cu1.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joker3cu1.jpg)


Those were excellent. Thanks. (Joker isn't insane, the rest of the world is)

[adramelech]

Hey Adra, could you expand on this for me? How could you distinguish between the two? What makes one predatory and the other not? Is one merely a program the other the programmer(Soul/Higher self)?

Help me out here..:o

Essentially, yes. Both are predators, but one consciously chooses the behaviour. To use the computer analogy, a non-souled psychopath would be a virus whereas a souled psychopath is a programmer. A virus is a tool, a mechanical line of code with no consciousness that can only follow its programming. It has no concept of morality or a realization that what it is doing is "bad" or predatory. A virus programmer, on the other hand, consciously understands and chooses their behaviour. The virus behaviour is simply a technique to achieve power.

[Anders Lindman]

That is because reptiles and our brain stem are merely binary programs, on off, fight or flight.. Suffering is necessary for growth, without suffering there cannot be any depth to our existence. It is possible to move beyond suffering, but not by becoming robots..

But there is more to the reptile brain because I read somewhere that it is that part that controls very much of the physical body. A reptile's body stays in supershape/health even when remaining still for a long time. It is very alert all the time even though it does not move.

The human body suffers a lot when we have nothing to do. And even when we do find ourselves having much to do, the human body experiences deterioration in the form of stress imbalances etc.

Meditation is somewhat like being still, but not really because we are 'doing' meditation.

The reptile part of the human brain must be liberated while at the same time staying in harmony with the mammalian part, the cortex and so on. A sort of mindfulness in combination with reptile brain efficient power and body control.

[truthcommission]

I personally think the Dalai Lama is a pamperd pompous assed fraud, just my opinion.
It actually says a lot more about you than it does about him.

Come back when you have grown up.

[a fine naked fellow]

Fascinating stuff adramelech.

The reptilian brain can also bring you extreme power and understanding.

I am intrigued by this statement, may you elaborate?
I believe it is basically true, the intelligence firmly rooted in the reptilian brain must be an impeccable thing.

When you "liberate" the reptilian brain and bring it into awareness with the higher brain functions, you take great strides.

Would that be like getting the different parts of the brain ( or even self)
to “talk” to each other?

There are primarily two types of psychopaths - those running entirely on internal programs
and those who openly choose to engage in predatory behaviour. One is not robotic.

That sounds a lot like illumination to me. Albeit with a manipulators bent.

[lightbeing]

Sorry to bring people down, but more often than not i have to ask my self, What is the point? Nothing in this world means anything and is totally pointless.

I work, for what? to pay tax and live but i just dont see a point to it all and am tired of this shit.

I know how you are feeling, I worked my arse of last week painting & decorating. Now the guy has not paid me what he said, and it looks like he hasn't really got a job for me:( I feel like I have been conned into giving me false hopes of a job:( I am trying not to feel down, but it is hard. Fucking work system is such a bastard:(

[ngawaka19]

I know how you are feeling, I worked my arse of last week painting & decorating. Now the guy has not paid me what he said, and it looks like he hasn't really got a job for me:( I feel like I have been conned into giving me false hopes of a job:( I am trying not to feel down, but it is hard. Fucking work system is such a bastard:(

Mate, what a bummer. Head up. I's feelin for you. Why is it that people can't say what they mean, why is it that a spade ain't a spade anymore. Where's all the old school honor gone. Its all about getting as much as you can get out of any given situation. You did ok. Its he, that has collected the negative karma on this. And sometimes its best to have your bag filled with positive karma than money. Ok it don't buy you milk and bread, but i'm not so sure bout that.

"Always get the money in advance" Happy Hooker

[lightbeing]

Mate, what a bummer. Head up. I's feelin for you. Why is it that people can't say what they mean, why is it that a spade ain't a spade anymore. Where's all the old school honor gone. Its all about getting as much as you can get out of any given situation. You did ok. Its he, that has collected the negative karma on this. And sometimes its best to have your bag filled with positive karma than money. Ok it don't buy you milk and bread, but i'm not so sure bout that.

"Always get the money in advance" Happy Hooker

Cheers mate:),
I just wanted the guy to be honest & upfront, not screwing me over:( I'm not of the generation to be 'old school' but I go by it, this guy is in his 50s!
I am thinking it's his loss, so let him have bucket loads of negative karma!:p

[lifeofbrian]

Sorry to bring people down, but more often than not i have to ask my self, What is the point? Nothing in this world means anything and is totally pointless.

I work, for what? to pay tax and live but i just dont see a point to it all and am tired of this shit.

It is easy to wander too far down particular paths :) All of a sudden we find ourselves in the maze in the garden.

What can be helpful is to picture the information highway - and all other means of fast communication either one way or interactive - for what it is; tools designed to shatter consciousness. The warfare in the airwaves - the war on our minds.

Taking some time each day in silence to breathe deeply and remember to stay within can be an easy way to avoid becoming distracted to a point where we feel lost. Keeping a focus on details which will keep us grounded. Rediscovering the fun in life. Sharing laughs and synchronise with other people. Because without love - connecting and sharing - none of us would have made it this far. No matter what we remember we were at some point loved and we grew up because we received that energy from other people when we were vulnerable and fragile. And we can give that energy to other people.

The world is not that bad. It is full of very nice people and nice moments for anyone ready to experience them and seek them out. Unburdening the mind by enjoying some green grass against the skin and the blue sky. The world is not nice all of the time and not for everyone at the same time - but when we need a break joy is there if we can remember how to enjoy the simple things.

A balance is important. Between the bombs dropped on our minds which we seek out for the thrill of it and the adrenaline and because we want to be at the cutting edge of the Propag..sorry Information - and the other way of life which our bodies are smart enough to remind us of by sending us signals of pain and discomfort if we overdo the strain on our mental bodies.

We have to be grounded before we can "fly". :) Man is not just brains. Man is not a machine. Man is more than that.

And what the point is? Why we are here alive right now? It is for a reason :)

[auron]

Cheers mate:),
I just wanted the guy to be honest & upfront, not screwing me over:( I'm not of the generation to be 'old school' but I go by it, this guy is in his 50s!
I am thinking it's his loss, so let him have bucket loads of negative karma!:p
See it all as a learning experience mate! :)

[lightbeing]

See it all as a learning experience mate! :)

I have, the only thing I can do!

[Anders Lindman]

Cheers mate:),
I just wanted the guy to be honest & upfront, not screwing me over:( I'm not of the generation to be 'old school' but I go by it, this guy is in his 50s!


Many people are even proud when they have been able to cheat others. As children we all have that cheating trait I think, and it's probably something from a prehistoric survival mechanism. In today's more complex society this kind of trait is dysfunctional, and people, even older people, who still have this cheating 'program' running inside them will have more and more trouble dealing with the strong wave of ethics that now is emerging in every part of society (as Ian Lungold talked about).

[eternal_spirit]

It actually says a lot more about you than it does about him.

Come back when you have grown up.


It says about me that I've done my research and the Lama is not what he appears to be. He is a puppet of the Illuminati (enlightened) as in Buddhism.

You choose to idolise this fake you're choice. Let him lead you up the garden path of illusions. I choose to follow my own mind.

So whose more grown up and evolved ??? Isn't the lama just like what the Pope is to Christianity??? Buddhism isn't all light and love you know dig a little deeper beyond the surface.

Some of you here seems to fall for the same shit from a different asshole.

[eternal_spirit]

Don't be a meany. He spreads so much love and compassion, he don't deserve that title. Respect.


jah rastafari


LOL It's what you perceive. I don't see him the same way as you. If you didn't understand my earlier post. Let's put it this way..... You can be full of love but when others around you give you hate in return. It's not easy to express love, until you know what it's like to experience this, I can't expect you to understand.

A person can only take so much pain before he reacts sometimes in a negative way to stop himself from hurting anymore. You can't fight a man with a knife etc with infinite love. Survival mode is there fro self defence.

[lifeofbrian]

LOL It's what you perceive. I don't see him the same way as you. If you didn't understand my earlier post. Let's put it this way..... You can be full of love but when others around you give you hate in return. It's not easy to express love, until you know what it's like to experience this, I can't expect you to understand.

A person can only take so much pain before he reacts sometimes in a negative way to stop himself from hurting anymore. You can't fight a man with a knife etc with infinite love. Survival mode is there fro self defence.

True. And once you yourself have hurt enough people you come full circle and wake up to the fact that evil begets evil and that with enough evil in your luggage you begin to see the point of "love them anyway - no matter what they do to you - love them anyway".

Only people with war in their memorybank can understand that.

"Love them anyway."

[viginti tres]

Sorry to bring people down, but more often than not i have to ask my self, What is the point? Nothing in this world means anything and is totally pointless.

I work, for what? to pay tax and live but i just dont see a point to it all and am tired of this shit.

Find your purpose.

You have purpose or you would not exist.

We are spiritual beings that have incarnated on this plane and we are travelling through life in our vehicles.

We travel for the purpose of reaching our destination.........

We choose that destination, find your soul, reach inside and ask that infinite, all loving, all caring being within your core........

Ask to let you see your own divinity, your infinite potential, your ability, your purpose, your grace, your power, your love, your gift.......

In the darkest of days the brightest shine with the power of a million candles and those that lack that light will try to extinguish your flame, your soul, but they cannot for the soul is unbreakable......

They need your love, now more than ever........but you need your love also.

I love you brother......I love you all.

Power to the peaceful.

Mitchell.

[eternal_spirit]

Well, I'm off to do battle with the authorities. Let's agree to disagree you know who you are. As the saying goes actions speak louder than words. I've had more shit go down in my life than goes down a 3 day festival cesspit.

The point is do what you can when you can. I believe in the power of love and live love.

[ngawaka19]

A person can only take so much pain before he reacts sometimes in a negative way to stop himself from hurting anymore.



Jesus didn't do to bad at obstaining. He was just a man. I do think that in these times its hard to turn away when you've been bogged down with dickheads/gloomy illumies, but we gotta try. Rise above. I do and yep I fail too. Keep the faith bro.

Hope your meet with the feds went ok.

[edelweiss pirate]

Actually Joy I've been feeling a bit pissed off and powerless lately...but your thread reminded me what I'm here for...

To fight on and stay strong...

They'll do all they can to get you down,
To steal your smile and sell you a frown
But just remember the laughing clown
That maniac'll be laughing as the bad guys drown...

Shit poetry I know but phuket....
The bad guys do drown though, in fact they're drowning as we speak, they always have been. The trick is they want to take you with them... The bad guys always suffer and are always punished, they do it behind closed doors, real justice doesn't make the news. But since they're suffering why should you... You're a good guy right?

If all else fails... just imagine you're waiting for the eternity bus... takes a lifetime to get here but when you get on....oh boy what a way to travel!

[joy division]

Thanks guys, you lot really are fantastic people.

Sometimes i feel on top of the world and that anything is possible but certain events and things can send me completely bang to the ground and i can get really down.

I find i get hurt the most when i try to give out positive and nice energy to certain people and it gets thrown back in your face, simple silly things. And i can be a "tough" bastard in the sense of emotions sometimes.

I hope i will get through it is just sometimes them dark times can be very overwhelming. I think i have a manic tendency which i have have since i can remember. Like most people tried drugs drink et all to keep level but it can have a negative effect.

[mada88]

By point do you mean purpose? sorry viginti tres talked about it. Read the end of infinte love and see what David says about purpose. Its not about fighting and winning, by believeing that shit it just shows how much the system has you. The "bad" guys are a part of us, people get soo locked into the us and them mentality. Maybe the "bad" guys purpose is to tell us something about ourselfs that we deny.

Its a very good question to ask btw.

[edelweiss pirate]

That's new age talk tying your hands behind your back...

I see a hell of a lot to fight... Nearly everything in fact...

Are you saying you are comfortable with the world around you then?

When a snake is trying to wrap itself around you would do well to try to shake free, unless of course you're unaware of the snake...

[deathstickboy]

True. And once you yourself have hurt enough people you come full circle and wake up to the fact that evil begets evil and that with enough evil in your luggage you begin to see the point of "love them anyway - no matter what they do to you - love them anyway".

Only people with war in their memorybank can understand that.

"Love them anyway."

The idea that you can't hurt someone or something that you love is quite absurd. I love nature, and every creature in it, but if a poisnous snake attacks me, I won't hesitate to kill it.
Does that mean I hate the snake?
Does it mean I don't love the snake?

Evil is in the eye of the beholder.
Can you love them anyways and still cause harm and death in self defence?

[peter19]

"Can you love them anyways and still cause harm and death in self defence?" i believe you can.

one thing people think that the illuminati or TPTB are all mighty and are un beatable, but its untrue. they are weak people who need to control people. a strong person doesnt tell you what to do because he is not bothered what you do because what ever you do wont hurt him. were as someone who is not "strong" needs to tell people what to do because they worry about people really behing free. is that strong and unbeatable?, these people need you and rely on you, if you say they are gods they feel good if you say they are shit they feel bad.

I find i get hurt the most when i try to give out positive and nice energy to certain people and it gets thrown back in your face, simple silly things.

i feel the same to and i think its because you are behing real and truthful. you are not hideing behind your mask and when you do that you can be vunrable, but it also takes great strengh to not hide behind your mask because of that. people hurt you because it is you and not just a mask what they are hitting. try to think that people themselves have masks and when you be real you could be showing there weaknesses up or makeing them uncomfterble so people need to react, put there mask back up.

and btw its allright to be "weak" i feel it half of the time, sometimes i feel like i could cry because of nothing, it could be viewed as not weak though but compassion.

stay cool mate and as someone else said remember that there is good people in the world its not all doom and gloom. "always look on the bright side of life" but if you dont, forgive yourself. :)

[mahabaratara]

What is the point?

To overcome...

[the festival spirit]

It's true when you find out you can't really fly or magically make things happen that it's a big dissappointment at first. Better to believe in what you know to be true and live the truth than try and live an illusion, fantasy which ultimately leads to more delsusions and becoming deluded.

Finding out you can ' magicly ' make things happen, IS fantastic.

[mara of the acoma]

The point is to Be. And you're doing a good job of it :)

[the festival spirit]

Mate, what a bummer. Head up. I's feelin for you. Why is it that people can't say what they mean, why is it that a spade ain't a spade anymore. Where's all the old school honor gone. Its all about getting as much as you can get out of any given situation. You did ok. Its he, that has collected the negative karma on this. And sometimes its best to have your bag filled with positive karma than money. Ok it don't buy you milk and bread, but i'm not so sure bout that.

"Always get the money in advance" Happy Hooker

This is not directed at anyone in particular, but those who look on what has been written, negatively, will see negative things, and those that dont, wont.

[the festival spirit]

It is easy to wander too far down particular paths :) All of a sudden we find ourselves in the maze in the garden.

We have to be grounded before we can "fly". :) Man is not just brains. Man is not a machine. Man is more than that.

And what the point is? Why we are here alive right now? It is for a reason :)

Good advice, I removed some but go and read the whole post if you dont see the point.

[the festival spirit]

OK Joy division, there are too many good quotes so I just chose a few.



LOL It's what you perceive. I don't see him the same way as you. If you didn't understand my earlier post. Let's put it this way..... You can be full of love but when others around you give you hate in return. It's not easy to express love, until you know what it's like to experience this, I can't expect you to understand.

A person can only take so much pain before he reacts sometimes in a negative way to stop himself from hurting anymore. You can't fight a man with a knife etc with infinite love. Survival mode is there fro self defence.

Wise words, possibly derived from much negative influence from an ordinary world. I understand where E S is coming from, I have been there, we share at least one thing in common, battling the established. He may not agre with me, but I said it anyway. You choose your battles, was there no instiinct telling you the employer was not to be trusted? someone said Find you own purpose, friend.


Thanks guys, you lot really are fantastic people.

Sometimes i feel on top of the world and that anything is possible but certain events and things can send me completely bang to the ground and i can get really down.

I find i get hurt the most when i try to give out positive and nice energy to certain people and it gets thrown back in your face, simple silly things. And i can be a "tough" bastard in the sense of emotions sometimes.

I hope i will get through it is just sometimes them dark times can be very overwhelming. I think i have a manic tendency which i have have since i can remember. Like most people tried drugs drink et all to keep level but it can have a negative effect.

I completely understand, When we bear all our love and bring it to bear, we reveal our weaknesses and a way for others against us, to slip the sword under the armour.

By point do you mean purpose? sorry viginti tres talked about it. Read the end of infinte love and see what David says about purpose. Its not about fighting and winning, by believeing that shit it just shows how much the system has you. The "bad" guys are a part of us, people get soo locked into the us and them mentality. Maybe the "bad" guys purpose is to tell us something about ourselfs that we deny.

Its a very good question to ask btw.

By beating the established we show how it may be wrong. No, we show how it IS wrong.

That's new age talk tying your hands behind your back...

I see a hell of a lot to fight... Nearly everything in fact...

Are you saying you are comfortable with the world around you then?

When a snake is trying to wrap itself around you would do well to try to shake free, unless of course you're unaware of the snake...

Straight to the point, being trapped in fighting 'nearly everything' is the biggest distraction from your true purpose. Joy division, you are aware of he snake that was your ex employer. You won't go back for more, will you?


The idea that you can't hurt someone or something that you love is quite absurd. I love nature, and every creature in it, but if a poisnous snake attacks me, I won't hesitate to kill it.
Does that mean I hate the snake?
Does it mean I don't love the snake?

Evil is in the eye of the beholder.
Can you love them anyways and still cause harm and death in self defence?

Again, straight to the point. It does not mean that we hate when we act in self defense. It means we are aware of the need to survive. Find your need to survive and do it.

Regards

shaun

[freespark]

I read recently this simple idea from a small book Grieve, no more Beloved,
by Ormond McGill,

"Life is just like the playing of a game.

The playing of a game has no real purpose. It is the enjoyment
of the playing that is the purpose"

You say your're tired - fed-up. Can I ask you? How many beautiful
women have you made love to ? Have you already experienced the
infinite dept of pleasure that's possible while in a physical body?

In deep meditation, your body produces chemicals 100 times more
powerful and natural than all the man-made imitations.

Have you experienced all of these in a physical body? Are you going
to deny yourself this choice.

This forum is great - but don't take all this NWO stuff too seriously.

Yes, it's a reality - but it's not the only one. Some people on this
forum are all doom and gloom - but remember there is more light
than dark - and the main thing is to 'enjoy playing the game' -
and help other people do the same.

Thanks Sean...sometimes i need to read something like this to kick me out my current perspective! ;) It's all about how we look at things...all in our heads.