disability support?

[neworderhorizon]

Hello.
I am currently claiming disability support, can I still be a "freeman on the land" or will I lose any benefits after becoming one?
Also do you still get a pension?
Cheers for any help.
Laters.

[rhiannon]

I was pondering the same question, as my circumstances are similar.

My conclusion was that you could not, as becoming a freeman on the land involves abandoning your NI number - which (unless my understanding is wrong) is your 'employee number' for the co-orperation of the United Kingdom. Without this 'employee' number, no benefits can be claimed.
Ho hum.

[Ian2day]

See this link

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48234

[neworderhorizon]

I was pondering the same question, as my circumstances are similar.

My conclusion was that you could not, as becoming a freeman on the land involves abandoning your NI number - which (unless my understanding is wrong) is your 'employee number' for the co-orperation of the United Kingdom. Without this 'employee' number, no benefits can be claimed.
Ho hum.

I see, but I heard you still get a pension. So why would they give you that and disability support?
Not having a national insurance number sounds pretty bad, most official applications require it such as employment and medical forms. :(
I guess thats the price to pay.
Cheers.
Laters.

[tom bombadil]

Hello.
I am currently claiming disability support, can I still be a "freeman on the land" or will I lose any benefits after becoming one?
Also do you still get a pension?
Cheers for any help.
Laters.

I had been wondering that stuff too. As far as the pension thing though there is no reson to think that you are not entitaled to a pension based on how much you put in. To put it an other way, I have a pension plan along side my other payments to the gov. This I pay X amount into and the gov. tops it up. So three pensions in all :rolleyes:.

When (not if) I decide to leave the dark side of the force and become a man again, I will look forward to the gov pension that one recives when retiring early. That is; A. a reduced gov. pension. My normal personal pension plan type pension sees me doing one of two things, either topping up the personal pension plan to recive the same as I would have done with the govs help, or just stop all payments and live from that.

In both instances I will be entitled to the pensions as I put cash into them. I must admit that the 90 quid or whatever that I get for the normal pension will not be enough for comfort. So I will keep up with the extra plans.

As far as health maintainance is concerned we must look else where for remedy. We have to draw ourselves away from the chemical imbalance that modern medicine is. But that would belong in another thread.

I belive that I have paid in tons of cash into the system, so 'I'm alright jack'.* but what of those that have had not the chance of paying in before they 'opt out'? Well in the statutes that most are in at the moment, a child can be born and the same, now a gramps can die without ever giving to the society that they lived in but at all times reliying on that society to live. A balance is attaned due to those paying more than others.

So the real question should be; should I ask for charity??? from the gov when I am out of the system.?

I personaly expect a fight for my gov pension when I leave. As for health......I dont know.

As for someone on disability benifits, or rather someone needing help when they opt 'out', well it might depend on how much is seen that one put in to the system before they opted out. When it is down to cash, this is how some folk think.

I dont know. Any takers?




Tom.



*Me me me In the UK.

[vostran]

As far as I'm aware the person isn't the one in recipt of benifits, afteral how can a person have a medical condition or be unemployed, etc? Answer is, they can't.

But as for your NI number, remember here that isn't yours it's your persons.

Your person has stock, held in trust by the bank of england, providing the substance on which the promises are made. Well our benifits are actually just a cut of the dividend payed to you when you qualify (through statutes) to recieve them. You still qaulify if you're an immigrant or a refugee so why woudn't you qualify if you're a free man? THe stock is still there and still provides the substance on which the promises are made, you're just avoiding the beurocracy by getting at it directly.

You don't personally recieve those benifits your community does. Should someone in your comminty quit their job to care for then they'd be entitlted to live of the community trust, so I see no reason why you can't take directly from the community trust yourself, so long as you only take what you need to lead a basic life without becoming a dependant then that's moral.

Now will you do this by notice and say basicly that you wil continue to recieve the benifits so long as your person, in the condition of your body, would qualify. I don't see any reason why you can't continue to use the NI number and be a freeman, that's the way the system works so insist the system continue to work for you.

Ofcourse if live directly of this dividends through offset or through discharge then you skip paying a fee for the bureaucracy that you would have otherwise had to beg for some a pitance of what you could discharge directly as a freeman.

I don't see the difference between getting benifits just to he amount they say you need to live and (paying a fee for it) and taking the benifits and some cut of the fee for avoiding the need for your society to pay the full fee.

If you are a freeman, living off the land and your labour and only offsetting against the community trust when you must then you're doing your entire country a service and costing them considerably less in bureaucracy and fees than would have otherwise been payed if you remained a dependant of the state.

[tom bombadil]

Hullo vostran.

I think that a load of folk will be staying in their jobs and becoming a freeman. Living off of the land is something else, but having a 'job' is most likely the way folk will go to before they make an even bigger break of 'working' for themselves.

I am concerned that one might be directed to a paupers hospital, if such a thing exsists today.

Remember that a hospital is there to maintain the 'workforce' and has to meet its 'targets'. That leaves the freeman out of the equation.

I think the real thing is how, in the past, one can proove that the 'state' looked after a non citizen, therefore giving anyone the right (did I say right?) to use a system that they do not donate into.


Tom.

[boots]

Hi Tom,

I've heard of a guy in NZ who when he go's to court he brings in a cardboard cut out of himself and say's to the Judge you can talk to him.

The Strawman operate in a fictitious world of commerce and corporations which are dead Can we not use that strawman as it is asigned to us. Much like you would use a car.

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[yozhik]

Hi Tom,

I've heard of a guy in NZ who when he go's to court he brings in a cardboard cut out of himself and say's to the Judge you can talk to him.

The Strawman operate in a fictitious world of commerce and corporations which are dead Can we not use that strawman as it is assigned to us. Much like you would use a car.

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I don't think it's about abandoning the strawman - as you point to boots, it's about;
1. being aware of the strawman
2. being in control of the strawman

That's the key here; knowledge of the strawman's existence and how to control the entity to your advantage. Up to this point in time, most of us weren't even aware it existed, let alone how it was used against us to steal from us, enslave and control us.

[neworderhorizon]

Well. Remember, everyone pays taxes all the time even babies and freemen. VAT is one, but the BIG hidden tax is inflation (my mum would pay 1p for a bottle of pop and get change, now its 40p-50p). I have heard alot about everyone having a "share in there country", but I don't really know how it works and what entitles people there share?
By the way, Robert Mernard (well known freeman on the land) says in Canada a single share is worth millions.
Thanks for all the information guys.
Cheers, laters!

[tom bombadil]

Hi Tom,

I've heard of a guy in NZ who when he go's to court he brings in a cardboard cut out of himself and say's to the Judge you can talk to him.

The Strawman operate in a fictitious world of commerce and corporations which are dead Can we not use that strawman as it is asigned to us. Much like you would use a car.

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Hullo Boots. I am more inclined to think that when I 'opt-out' I am doing it fully. Before I 'opt out' I need to know where I stand as far as using my colateral generated in the 'system' to make sure that I dont end up missing out of that which is owed me. Also I will still be in employ of others that will want to send my 'taxable' earnings to the taxman. I will need to put them straight too.

"The Strawman operate in a fictitious world of commerce and corporations which are dead Can we not use that strawman as it is asigned to us. Much like you would use a car." That last bit I am a bit worried by. If we agree that the cutout is that that is in trouble, then the cutout could still lose (in some cases) and be impisoned (:D) but the case still lost because I had agread that my strawman existed.


Tom.

[boots]

Hullo Boots. I am more inclined to think that when I 'opt-out' I am doing it fully. Before I 'opt out' I need to know where I stand as far as using my colateral generated in the 'system' to make sure that I dont end up missing out of that which is owed me. Also I will still be in employ of others that will want to send my 'taxable' earnings to the taxman. I will need to put them straight too.

HI Tom,

Yes you will have to let them know It's harder to do if you earn a wage (haven't done this myself) but easy if you are self employed.

I'm not sure if it is done in the UK but with the end of year tax you put on the file "agent in commerce"

"The Strawman operate in a fictitious world of commerce and corporations which are dead Can we not use that strawman as it is asigned to us. Much like you would use a car." That last bit I am a bit worried by. If we agree that the cutout is that that is in trouble, then the cutout could still lose (in some cases) and be impisoned (:D) but the case still lost because I had agread that my strawman existed.


Tom.


Yes the strawman still exists and it has a TFN That strawman is still paying VAT So in my reckoning it is still helping the Government to stay afloat in it's fictitious world. Equals happy government.

Think from the private side and not be associated with the public/strawman side

Agree that the strawman does exist, but it is not you the flesh and blood spiritual being. If you fear that a case will be lost then say, you wish to stay in honour and offer a remedy to the court, which is your bond;) The strawman pays.

As a side note.

This http://www.basicfraud.com/main-0/ which was on DI news headlines had a good idea (videos) if everyone and every corp. Paid 1% tax on all transaction There would be no need for income tax or VAT. Bloody good idea. More than enough cash to fill the coffers and more cash in our pockets.:)


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[tom bombadil]

Ta much boots.

I am thinking that I might have to put up with a tax rebate at the end of the tax year rather than a 'full' wage packet at the end of the month. I have a private pension to pay into that my employer does for me that I would rather have remain.

I am not here to make war with the guys that have looked after my strawman for years so I am out for an easy option in the first instance. Only then will I aproach the tax office and do the demanding 'bit' when the presidance has been set.

I am also thinking of the vat that is added to most things that a foreign visitor can claim back on their return to their homeland. Shouldnt that also refer to us?


Tom.

[boots]

Ta much boots.

I am thinking that I might have to put up with a tax rebate at the end of the tax year rather than a 'full' wage packet at the end of the month. I have a private pension to pay into that my employer does for me that I would rather have remain.

I am not here to make war with the guys that have looked after my strawman for years so I am out for an easy option in the first instance. Only then will I aproach the tax office and do the demanding 'bit' when the presidance has been set.

I am also thinking of the vat that is added to most things that a foreign visitor can claim back on their return to their homeland. Shouldnt that also refer to us?


Tom.

G'day Tom,

That's pretty disgusting that a person who does not live in a country Full time then return's to their country of origin get's all the VAT back:confused::mad: Smacks of commerce/Admiralty law at work?

Yes Tom. Must have the NoU&I in place before going ahead with anything. That way you have told them of your intentions and when they default, you have got them by the ball's;)

OK Tom. I can comprehend your POV on the pension plan, that the employer has set up for you works to your advantage. but are you not in control of this? You being the Spiritual, being having control over your strawman. Just something to think about.

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[tom bombadil]

OK Tom. I can comprehend your POV on the pension plan, that the employer has set up for you works to your advantage. but are you not in control of this? You being the Spiritual, being having control over your strawman. Just something to think about.

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The thing is, is that I pay X amount into the plan and the company, through the gov. pay another large wedge.

I suppose that I could look at the savings made in the long run to all of my purchases and non payment of those pesky taxs that blight the land, and just not worry over the loss of that smaller percentage that that sum would bring.


Tom.

[scotfree]

I believe that "God" or the Universe has provided everything I need.
If I have to work away or claim any benefits or use social services
they are there for me.

I have paid taxes in the past and continue to pay taxes I cannot avoid,
tobacco tax, but I will no longer pay income tax or coooncil tax.

My Mother [an atheist] always says, "The lord will provide".

and it, she, him, does.