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endlessvista
04-01-2009, 02:59 PM
EU just gets more and more facistic.


Second No vote‘ would isolate Ireland’
Sunday, January 04, 2009 By Niamh Connolly Political Correspondent


If Ireland rejects the Lisbon Treaty for a second time, the EU will take it as a signal that the country ‘‘wants to distance itself’’ from the rest of Europe, according to the European Commission’s highest-ranking official.

Irishwoman Catherine Day, secretary general of the commission, said a second No vote in Ireland would have serious consequences. ‘‘It is not something I even want to think about, because the enormity of that would be unbelievable,” she said.

‘‘If the assurances have been given [on issues of concern to voters] and the vote is No, we cannot conclude anything but that people are saying they don’t want to be at the heart of Europe. I hope and believe that is not the case, as the other 26 member states have made it clear they’re going to ratify.”

A second referendum on the treaty is expected to take place in October, as the government has received assurances on some key issues. However, Day said many of the issues that were the subject of additional guarantees were not directly linked to the treaty’s provisions.

‘‘On the issue of taxation, it is very important to make clear that there is no change in the Lisbon Treaty,” she said. Guarantees on issues such as abortion and neutrality gave ‘‘that added guarantee to reassure people . . . that they know their voice has been listened to and they haven’t been brushed aside’’, she said.

A commitment has also been given that every member state will retain its own commissioner. Day rejected suggestions that some commissioners could find their roles watered down under the new arrangement.

‘‘We have 27 commissioners and they’re all pretty fully employed,” she said. ‘‘The argument was that 2 7 commissioners were not needed, but we can make it work with 27.That means the portfolio has to be divided in a way that makes sure there is a balanced distribution of work.

‘‘It’s possible to give commissioners more of a representational role than they had in the past. This will depend on the personality - some have better communications skills than others. But there are different roles to be played which could involve explaining the role of the EU.”

Day said the global economic uncertainty - as well as the recent Georgia-Russia conflict - had convinced most EU member states of the need for a stronger representation in the world and a permanent EU president ‘‘to face the challenges of the future’’.

yozhik
04-01-2009, 05:57 PM
Irishwoman Catherine Day, secretary general of the commission, said a second No vote in Ireland would have serious consequences. ‘‘It is not something I even want to think about, because the enormity of that would be unbelievable,” she said.

‘‘If the assurances have been given [on issues of concern to voters] and the vote is No, we cannot conclude anything but that people are saying they don’t want to be at the heart of Europe. I hope and believe that is not the case, as the other 26 member states have made it clear they’re going to ratify.”

The lying puppets who vote on behalf of their silenced people have made it clear they will ratify the document ... NOT, the people of the 26 member states.

If ALL member states had the balls of the Irish government to hand over the choice, via referendum, to it's people; does Catherine Day truly believe that the Irish "NO" vote would then be isolated?

The absurdity of the pro-EU lobbyists and puppets becomes more evident with every second that passes :mad:

IF the likes of Catherine Day believe, as they would have us believe, that this is so popular and "right"; then why do they fear the voice of the people being heard? If their precious document is so "right" and for the good of all people; then they should embrace the voice of the people confirming this ... not running away from the voice of the people.

cafetimes1991
04-01-2009, 06:00 PM
Helga Zepp-LaRouche is no-one that Cranmer has ever heard of, but she is chair(wo)man of the German political party Civil Rights Solidarity Movement (BüSo). She spoke recently on the EU’s Lisbon Treaty, and drew attention by analysis by one Professor Schachtschneider, who is also not someone with whom Cranmer is acquainted.

However, it appears that the Treaty of Lisbon reintroduces the death penalty in Europe, which Helga Zepp-LaRouche thinks is ‘very important’ (just a bit), ‘in light of the fact that Italy was trying to abandon the death penalty through the United Nations, forever. And this is not in the treaty, but in a footnote, because with the European Union reform treaty, we accept also the European Union Charter, which says that there is no death penalty, and then it has a footnote, which says, "except in the case of war, riots, upheaval"—then the death penalty is possible. Schachtschneider points to the fact that this is an outrage, because they put it in a footnote of a footnote, and you have to read it, like really like a super-expert to find out!’

Cranmer has not bothered to check this footnote to a footnote, not least because, although he has never heard of Helga Zepp-LaRouche or Professor Schachtschneider, he is inclined to trust them impeccably against the scheming and manipulating liars in Brussels.

Let us not forget that the Union is acquiring the legal authority to ‘provide itself with the means necessary to attain its objectives and carry through its policies’, which means raising its ‘own resources’ to finance them, which may be regarded as conferring on it revenue-raising powers, which will eventually be subject to QMV instead of unanimity. But it may also be the authority to crush any opposition, especially that which does not accord with its ‘objectives’.

The European Union not only possesses such symbols of statehood as its own flag, anthem, motto and annual official holiday. It now has its own government, with a legislature, executive and judiciary, its own President, its own citizens and citizenship, its own human and civil rights code, its own currency, economic policy and revenue, its own international treaty-making powers, foreign policy, foreign minister, diplomatic corps and United Nations voice, its own crime and justice code and Public Prosecutor.

And the citizens of the Union now owe allegiance to that Union, and to its aims and ‘objectives’, even though no-one in the UK has any idea what these objectives may be.

Buy Cranmer thinks it noteworthy that the death penalty is reintroduced for political offences, even as vague and undefined as ‘unrest’, but not for serial killers, rapists, paedophiles or child murderers.

One wonders why…

By Cranmer (http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2008/04/lisbon-treaty-introduces-eu-wide-death.html)

godspeed
04-01-2009, 06:25 PM
fek them.....the noose tightens

endlessvista
04-01-2009, 09:11 PM
If ALL member states had the balls of the Irish government to hand over the choice, via referendum,

Irish polticians are just as much NWO swines as all the rest of them. The only reason we got a refurendum here in Ireland is because of an ordinary Irish citizen back in the 1980's took out a legal challenge against the Bilderburgers and NWOs within Irish politicis making a change on EU matters which affected the constitution only implementable by public vote.

If it was up to Irish politicians we would have no vote not here. Nothing heroic about them traitors. They are all EU/NWO/Bilderburg filth through and though.

yozhik
05-01-2009, 12:50 AM
Irish polticians are just as much NWO swines as all the rest of them. The only reason we got a refurendum here in Ireland is because of an ordinary Irish citizen back in the 1980's took out a legal challenge against the Bilderburgers and NWOs within Irish politicis making a change on EU matters which affected the constitution only implementable by public vote.

If it was up to Irish politicians we would have no vote not here. Nothing heroic about them traitors. They are all EU/NWO/Bilderburg filth through and though.

Point taken. :)

... but I'm sure you also understand the main point raised in my post.

endlessvista
05-01-2009, 07:13 PM
Point taken. :)

... but I'm sure you also understand the main point raised in my post.

I am right on your side my brother.

drhemp
06-01-2009, 12:02 AM
It is totally outrageous they are having the vote again. They would not have another vote if Ireland had voted yes, so why have another one now?

I have faith in the good people of Ireland to do the right thing and reject it once more, as I'm sure the Brits would have had Labour not broken their election promise to give a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

rhydra
06-01-2009, 12:33 AM
Supposing they had voted yes, would there have been another vote just in case they might have meant no? Come the constitution that's not called a constitution, there will probably be provision to stop elections once the result is satisfactory. Then again, you won't need elections because the government won't have any real powers any more and should it be disbanded no one would notice.