they are about to fluoridate my water!

[unusual_suspect]

I live in Buckinghamshire and they are about to fluoridate the water supply :mad:

Does anyone use any sort of filters, if so what would people recommend?

I have had a look at atmosperic water generators, but they are very expensive and I reckon they would use a lot of power, I am also not sure how long they last.

I don't particulaly want to start buying loads of bottled water either.

Any suggestions?

[psych641]

Another forum member recommended a 'smart still' distiller. I got one but havent gotten round to setting it up yet. Its rated about 350w, and does about a litre per hour IIRC, so the running costs are quite low even for a doley miser like myself (& believe me i did all the sums very carefully before ordering! ;) )

The brita, kenwood et al carbon filters do more than just filter, they contain an 'ion exchange layer' - this puts stuff IN the water. potassium & sodium IIRC. People with heart/blood pressure conditions arent supposed to use them!

[schism2o12]

I should get a water purifier, the water in Stafford (Midlands) is fuckin' disgusting.

[unusual_suspect]

Another forum member recommended a 'smart still' distiller. I got one but havent gotten round to setting it up yet. Its rated about 350w, and does about a litre per hour IIRC, so the running costs are quite low even for a doley miser like myself (& believe me i did all the sums very carefully before ordering! ;) )

The brita, kenwood et al carbon filters do more than just filter, they contain an 'ion exchange layer' - this puts stuff IN the water. potassium & sodium IIRC. People with heart/blood pressure conditions arent supposed to use them!

Thanks for that. Do you know for a fact that it will remove fuoride? I have just been trying to have a look at some info about the product, my internet is so slow today that its painful!

I don't want anything that is going to put ptassium and sodium in my water, my kidneys are dodgy!

[91181]

Another forum member recommended a 'smart still' distiller. I got one but havent gotten round to setting it up yet. Its rated about 350w, and does about a litre per hour IIRC, so the running costs are quite low even for a doley miser like myself (& believe me i did all the sums very carefully before ordering! ;) )

The brita, kenwood et al carbon filters do more than just filter, they contain an 'ion exchange layer' - this puts stuff IN the water. potassium & sodium IIRC. People with heart/blood pressure conditions arent supposed to use them!



This is what iv got my only complaint is it takes a while , but now when im running low i top it up as apposed to letting it all run out and starting from scratch..

[psych641]

Thanks for that. Do you know for a fact that it will remove fuoride? I have just been trying to have a look at some info about the product, my internet is so slow today that its painful!


I was 100% confident till a minute ago - the boiling point for sodium fluoride is 1700C, no problem there then. However for hexafluorosilicate (which may be the compound used) in its pure liquid form, the boiling point is only 112C - only slightly higher than water :eek:

[unusual_suspect]

I was 100% confident till a minute ago - the boiling point for sodium fluoride is 1700C, no problem there then. However for hexafluorosilicate (which may be the compound used) in its pure liquid form, the boiling point is only 112C - only slightly higher than water :eek:

Thanks for that, I think some research about this is required :D

[realfake]

I was 100% confident till a minute ago - the boiling point for sodium fluoride is 1700C, no problem there then. However for hexafluorosilicate (which may be the compound used) in its pure liquid form, the boiling point is only 112C - only slightly higher than water :eek: Boiling water will concentrate fluoride rather than reduce it. There are commercially available distillation filters that can be purchased to remove fluoride from water.

[red_ram]

They'll be fluoridating people's tear ducts next.

[psych641]

Boiling water will concentrate fluoride rather than reduce it. There are commercially available distillation filters that can be purchased to remove fluoride from water.

Im thinking of distillers, surely if the boiling point of fluoride is 112C theres a chance some of it will get distilled along with the water. Remember that substances start evaporating below their boiling point. If the distillers thermostat wasnt very precise & went a few degrees higher then more fluoride would get distilled.

[free_soul]

I live in Buckinghamshire and they are about to fluoridate the water supply :mad:

Does anyone use any sort of filters, if so what would people recommend?

I have had a look at atmosperic water generators, but they are very expensive and I reckon they would use a lot of power, I am also not sure how long they last.

I don't particulaly want to start buying loads of bottled water either.

Any suggestions?

Talk to a freeman and find out, im sure i read from one once you can send a letter to the water baord claiming its medical water and you will not be paying for it, but like i say talk to a freeman on the land :P

Thats really ad news and is it even posible to filter flouride without intence boiling?

[free_soul]

Im thinking of distillers, surely if the boiling point of fluoride is 112C theres a chance some of it will get distilled along with the water. Remember that substances start evaporating below their boiling point. If the distillers thermostat wasnt very precise & went a few degrees higher then more fluoride would get distilled.

Honestly is distiling it the best thing to do?

Yes no flouride (good thing)

Yes no minerals (bad thing i think :confused::confused:) :P

[hey_jude]

Can I just add to this ...distilled water is pure H20 ...it uses the same process as nature, in that the condensation is the water [rain water] that is drunk ...the process of distillation has removed everything except Hydrogen and Oxygen.
"Nature provides us with a continuous supply of pure water via the hydrological cycle. Heat energy from the sun turns water into clouds leaving behind any impurities. The clouds then condense back into pure water in the form of rain. Unfortunately industrial pollution contaminates this rain even as it falls. Consequently we have to look to technology to duplicate Nature's hydrological cycle to produce pure water in a controlled environment. This is achieved by distillation equipment." from a water debate article.

The best way to get your mineral content is through organic food intake. Then the process of synergy kicks in, whereby your body uses all the nutritional elements and they [all] produce the beneficial effect. Distilled water, when it passes through your body actually flushes out toxins.

When I got my water company report [some can get one online] it had 80 substances in it and they'd tested for 102 - it failed on the Lead content and an investigation revealed a problem with lead pipes ...but we weren't told about it at all. I only found out because I got an online report.

[psych641]

Can I just add to this ...distilled water is pure H20 ...it uses the same process as nature, in that the condensation is the water [rain water] that is drunk ...the process of distillation has removed everything except Hydrogen and Oxygen.

If there are contaminants eg. solvents present with a boiling point lower than water, they get distilled too.

This is why the smart still comes equipped with activated carbon - because the water exiting the system isnt pure.

[unusual_suspect]

If there are contaminants eg. solvents present with a boiling point lower than water, they get distilled too.

This is why the smart still comes equipped with activated carbon - because the water exiting the system isnt pure.

Well, I am going to contact my local council to enquire as to what compound they will be using for thr fluoridation. Then I can find out what the boiling point is.

Those smart stills are still quite expensive, but I have seen other stills for about half the price, do you know if these are still as good.

As for taking the minerals out of the water, I have had a really nasty chronic kidney infection, and I think pure h20 would be highly beneficial, I have read that it is important to avoid excess potassium and sodium if you are having trouble with your water works.

[psych641]

Honestly is distiling it the best thing to do?

Yes no flouride (good thing)

Yes no minerals (bad thing i think :confused::confused:) :P

I havent looked into it all that deeply, but some say pure water robs your body of minerals. But then theres another school of thought that calls that a myth. Some even say (admittedly i probably read this bit on a distiller retail website!) that most of the minerals present in tap water are not in a form that the body can absorb & they do more harm than good.

Itll be interesting to see what residue a distiller collects - ive heard horror stories that a few liters of london tap water produces a little puddle of putrid green slime :eek:

[alzee]

How are you folks getting on with your distillers? Any green slime to report? :o

unusual_suspect, did you buy one?

I'm looking to get one myself. My area has "naturally occurring fluoride" at 1.5ppm (that's .5ppm more than medically fluoridated water), so at least I know if I distill this water the fluoride def shouldnt distill too!

[unusual_suspect]

How are you folks getting on with your distillers? Any green slime to report? :o

unusual_suspect, did you buy one?

I'm looking to get one myself. My area has "naturally occurring fluoride" at 1.5ppm (that's .5ppm more than medically fluoridated water), so at least I know if I distill this water the fluoride def shouldnt distill too!

Hi Alzee, no I didn't buy one, I moved to a rural location abuot 100 miles away instead. If they flouridate the water here I actually will have to sort something out, but not 'till I have done the research!

Make sure you do plenty of research so you get the right kind of device to remove the offending chemicals ;)

[nayan]

I have a water filter at home, not sure if it's helping much though, i usually boil my water at times, eventually there is no fluoride left.

[godgoo]

I should get a water purifier, the water in Stafford (Midlands) is fuckin' disgusting.buy a life saver bottle

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562922/Bottle-makes-dirty-water-drinkable.html

[godgoo]

I havent looked into it all that deeply, but some say pure water robs your body of minerals. But then theres another school of thought that calls that a myth. Some even say (admittedly i probably read this bit on a distiller retail website!) that most of the minerals present in tap water are not in a form that the body can absorb & they do more harm than good.

Itll be interesting to see what residue a distiller collects - ive heard horror stories that a few liters of london tap water produces a little puddle of putrid green slime :eek:
Just get the mess out then supplement the water with minerals

[godgoo]

A novel free way of cleaning water. Would be to let natural evopration and condensation happen to cleanse your drinking water. It would take along time but over an 8 hour day you should have enough for a good drink even on a mild day. Water will evaporate above freezing.

1) Get 2 3-gallon tanks or even more so you can place them in different locations to get the added benefit. Clear contatiners, no exterior or interior coating. they must be transparent.

2) you need a hose approx 24" in length and roughly 2" in diameter

3) add 2 gallons of water to one tank

4) connect the hose between the tanks, air tight seal.

5) Place the tank with the water in into the sun or a heat source.

6) cover the tank with no water up with a mound of earth or something that will keep it cooler than the tank with the water. Obviously the colder this tank is the better.

Water will then evaporate and condensate into the colder tank, or the tank in the shade in complete darkness. You will then have 100% clean water. I also think that this could remove the flourine? I think maybe if left in the sun this will help to remove fluoride it does with chlorine. then just add minerals these wont be in the condensated water as they're too heavy as they are solids. Maybe the flourine in the water will turn to flourine gas due to sunlight? although flourine is hard to displace, it is the most reactive of the halogens.

You can even process Urine in this manner, and it will be 100% safe. So you could use your body to remove the fluoride and then use the Urine, cut your exposure by 50%

[godgoo]

what would be even better, but slightly more cost. would be to buy a small fridge bore a hole through the side for the hose, and place the tank inside for the condesated water. Then place the tank of water on top inside a glass dome. or a goldfish tank in direct sunlight, leave atleast 8" in perimeter around the tank, so heat will accumulate. then you would have more efficient production.

[godgoo]

No! my suspicions have been answered after some more reading I have found that this flourine is really hard to get out. However I don't know if the sunlight would weaken the hydrogen bonds. I don't actually think that it is a covalent bond? flourine is electronegative and so is oxygen so I think it's a H-bond. But maybe not? as boiling would break it? I think maybe it will reduce the concentration but it won't clean it out an 100%

Infact this fluorine is a right bastard to get out, so ring your supplier and complain.

[bornfree]

When you look at the water map

http://www.dwi.gov.uk/consumer/concerns/fluoridemap.pdf

Notice anything conspicuos by its absence?

Only the names of the major cities that are flouridated.... Birmingham & Newcastle!!! Another thing struck me. Dont these areas also have a bit of a reputation historically as agitators against the state? (Trade Unions were pretty damn popular in those areas).

Flouride = prozac
Flouride = rat poison
Flouride = Neurotoxic

But it might be good for my teeth so i'll buy that for a dollar! :rolleyes:

[godgoo]

No! my suspicions have been answered after some more reading I have found that this flourine is really hard to get out. However I don't know if the sunlight would weaken the hydrogen bonds. I don't actually think that it is a covalent bond? flourine is electronegative and so is oxygen so I think it's a H-bond. But maybe not? as boiling would break it? I think maybe it will reduce the concentration but it won't clean it out an 100%

Infact this fluorine is a right bastard to get out, so ring your supplier and complain.
I am convinced that if you use this method on a really hot day, then the chances of the fluorine being displaced by high energy photons, essentially bombarded, is high. Even placing the tank behind a lens or some glass that can act as a crude lens could displace the fluorine from the evaporated water molecule? but it wouldn't be 100% but it should displace some. Although you would have to make modifications to the tank for the release of gasses. But I am convinced that with lenses and sunlight you can clean water 100% of fluorine and contaminants.

[patrish]

According to the research I've done a reverse osmosis filter is the only one to get ride of fluoride.

Pat

[godgoo]

According to the research I've done a reverse osmosis filter is the only one to get ride of fluoride.

PatTo filter 100% from mains, yeah. But it can also be electrically removed. I am pretty sure that natural evaporation processes will remove some. but obviously this isn't time effective? Suppose it depends how long you want to wait for a cup of tea, Pat. :)

[patrish]

Did you know that tea is a natural source of fluoride!

lol

Pat

[godgoo]

Did you know that tea is a natural source of fluoride!

lol

PatI had no Idea, thanks for letting me know.

[epsom]

Here are links to two differing points of view--one for drinking distilled water (although they are trying to promote their product!)---and the other against.

There are as many arguments for as against---so the jury is still out on this one.



http://www.durastill.com/myths.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1804090/drinking_distilled_water_can_kill_you.html?cat=5

[bornfree]

Flouridating water is enforcing medicine. Anyone supplying medicine needs a medical license.

This isnt new. It goes back to 2005 & further.

http://www.ukcaf.org/

The tireless efforts of Douglas Cross & his wife have been going on for 20 years for the benefit of all. I had the pleasure of speaking to them both today at length & was honoured & humbled by their warmth & knowledge.

Their website is actually paid for by british councils against flouridation! Yes folks you heard it here first! British councils actually working for the benefit of the public :p

Andy 'burn em' Burnham hmmm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5515269/Health-Secretary-calls-for-universal-water-fluoridation.html

then

http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/4437364.New_health_secretary_quits_fluoridation_po st/

This idiot is supposedly pro-EU, who's courts over-rule the UK & ireland's highest courts. Yet the EU's ruling is being ignored by both irish & british governments. At their peril i think.

This just released by UK Councils Against Flouridation

http://www.ukcaf.org/the_nfic_hoax.html

legal references

http://www.ukcaf.org/files/ecj_ruling_on_functional_foods.pdf
http://www.ukcaf.org/european_court_ruling_spells_an_end_to_fluoridatio .html

If you (like me) think flouridating water is heinous & unnecessary, read all of the ukcaf comments & share with your friends & family. Bookmark the site.

[creamfields usa]

I doubt that. Carnegies sell it for a profit in Pennsylvania.