Why humanoid?

[rhydra]

The Draco, reptilians and other beings are mostly described as humanoid in appearance, of all the evolutionary avenues and possibilities of body plans does this seem rather anthropomorphically orientated to have other beings standing on two legs, having opposable digits?
maybe humans see them in their form, assume that they look like they do, or at least visualise a familiar shape to project.
I would have thought it somewhat arrogant to assume that all cosmic entities are bipedal with binocular vision. Perhaps there should be some more open mindedness when assuming what the reptilians, and especially the Draco look like, even if no one has yet to work out their nature in terms other than tired Clichés.

[noobcybot]

They would probably be bipedal or humanoid and made out of carbon because in their physical form they occupy the same dimension and reality as us with simular planets etc... it would seem the formula for an intelligent species requires opposable thumbs and freely moving head also regardlessif humans are a genetic manipulation or whatever. But in their interdimensional form they are more like pure energy and dont really have a physical form as such.

[shenoma]

They have many bodies and can time travel too.:cool:

[rhydra]

They have many bodies and can time travel too.:cool:

I know about the time travel, it's being reborn at any time in any place of your choosing. The body plan though, why, when there is no need of tools or manipulation, does one need to have functional digits when they are not required?

[drael]

One explaination, is all species are supposed to be either designed or descended from one original race, usually called the lyrans.

of course not all people accept the starseeding idea(atlantis etc), so i guess they need another explaination....

[rhydra]

I'm more into the wandering consciousness idea, perhaps there are some beings out there who have an ability to track or become the consciousness of another, from the point of conception to the point of death. The consciousness then travels back at the point when life is extinguished. It might also explain the problem of astral travel, why it is so difficult, perhaps some are actually on an astral travel, to go back would mean the consciousness exits the body.

When we are beginning to understand the multiverse, however, it is probably not feasable to transport something like genetic material and codes from one membrane to another, there are probably many species out there, what might be possible with hands is probably possible to carry out with telekinesis and other means even assuming that the civilisation concerned manifests it's achievements with physical objects. This species may well be unique in putting it's main reliance upon the physical and palpable instead of the more creative.

[size_of_light]

Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphic resonance might be of interest to you, also.

[rhydra]

Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphic resonance might be of interest to you, also.

Thanks, looking up now. :)

[cleopatraxxx]

I'm more into the wandering consciousness idea, perhaps there are some beings out there who have an ability to track or become the consciousness of another, from the point of conception to the point of death. The consciousness then travels back at the point when life is extinguished. It might also explain the problem of astral travel, why it is so difficult, perhaps some are actually on an astral travel, to go back would mean the consciousness exits the body.


how do you define wandering consciousness? is it what many describe as SOUL?

astral travel is not difficult to start with.
beings (??could you explain what type of beings??, please) that become the consciousness of "another" (did you mean another BODY, maybe???) would be in a re-incarnational process ("from the point of conception to the point of death")
why do you say that the consciousness would travel back to the point where life is extinguished??????? why would that be needed? i am missing your point.

ASTRAL TRAVEL is about the "consciousness" temporarily but not completely leaving the body. when a soul travels astrally (OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE), when it "looks" onto its laying body it will SEE A SILVER CORD, similar to the umbilical cord in pyshical life. but this "SILVER CORD", actually glows, it actually is endless and allows the body safely to go anywhere. when we "die" is when this cord is disconneted, just like when we are "born" on earth we are disconnected from the mothers body, cutting the cord.

[cleopatraxxx]

so in effect, when one is sent to EARTH to experience in a 3dimensional body suit, we are connected twice by a cord. when we are concieved, we have a cord attached to the mother for growth untill we are actually delivered OUT of the mothers body into independent life from that moment on. but the SOUL, remains connected by a cord to the body every night when we travel ourt of body in the sleep state.
dont you recall some vivid dreams? that is when you travelled and when you awake the vivid dream images, moments are still very intense. why is that?

[rhydra]

The consciousness, as i see it can, in some cases, enter a being, say a human, from the point of conception, as it comes though a multidimensional aspect the host's future will be apparent to the conscious entity which is about to inhabit it. Settling in a body after conception, where another consciousness has already started would be bad news, neither "soul" would be able to function, maybe that happens at times, i can't imagine it ending well though maybe it can' i don't know.

haven't much time as I'm in a hurry so I'll post more later. My experience of astral travel have been halting, one successful one and several unsuccessful ones later. No cord, though I don't know if it was there, it always ended with a burning light, not bright but burning and actually painful. I'll post more later.

[cleopatraxxx]

haven't much time as I'm in a hurry so I'll post more later. My experience of astral travel have been halting, one successful one and several unsuccessful ones later. No cord, though I don't know if it was there, it always ended with a burning light, not bright but burning and actually painful. I'll post more later.

i am interested in hearing about your experience :)
thank you for sharing

[rhydra]

Anyhow, on the point of dreams, yes, there are some which are memorable, most of them fairly recently, It could have been a form of astral travel, or perhaps a memory, occasionally something just pops into my head like the moment when you realise where you put the keys!

I tend to try to refer to members of other civilisation as beings, rather than races, as many are probably so different from ours, maybe many would not even recognise each other as being sentient beings, or even existing at all.

As for myself I do recall my self possibly in a past life, several events and possibly my death as a Draco, however, quadruped, being four legs and wings and I can 100% vouch that the "classical" view of the Western Dragon is, in fact true. However, the evidence is in the observation by those who have lived or those who have found a way to travel by means other than physical.
If I could find a way of cutting the cord and going back, maybe I would, perhaps it is that which is holding back my travel.

Anyway, that's how I see it, or saw it. I am in no doubt that there are other civilisations out there which are far more advanced than this one, yet as far as electronics, technology, being able to fire weapons and kill each other, most probably have not become even three or over by being capable of fighting among themselves, being aggressive and territorial.

[mauviene]

There really isn't a need for all this brain bending pseudo-science. To put it simple, if their is such a race they would be descendants from prehistoric dinosaurs and probably progeny of an upright raptor-like species of the dinosaur. They would have migrated into caves before or during the dissolution of the prehistoric world and evolved hence in dark and wet climates of the earths deep cavern systems. They would most likely be upright and probably look something like this http://bezalel.secured.co.il/6/meiri2.files/image015.jpg. This of course is a hypothetical situation of an intelligent being evolving from a herbivore species of the dinosaur, our current model obviously points towards a more raptor-like or carnivorous being, so it would look more malicious than the one in the picture. However here is a nice video of some speculations on the subject: http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&resnum=0&q=dinosauroid&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#. Again if conspiracy theories ruminate that dinosaurs do indeed still rule the earth, then I would find it more than likely that they wouldn't be of the friendly herbivores portrayed in this theory.

[cleopatraxxx]

There really isn't a need for all this brain bending pseudo-science. To put it simple, if their is such a race they would be descendants from prehistoric dinosaurs and probably progeny of an upright raptor-like species of the dinosaur. They would have migrated into caves before or during the dissolution of the prehistoric world and evolved hence in dark and wet climates of the earths deep cavern systems. They would most likely be upright and probably look something like this http://bezalel.secured.co.il/6/meiri2.files/image015.jpg. This of course is a hypothetical situation of an intelligent being evolving from a herbivore species of the dinosaur, our current model obviously points towards a more raptor-like or carnivorous being, so it would look more malicious than the one in the picture. However here is a nice video of some speculations on the subject: http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&resnum=0&q=dinosauroid&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#. Again if conspiracy theories ruminate that dinosaurs do indeed still rule the earth, then I would find it more than likely that they wouldn't be of the friendly herbivores portrayed in this theory.

interesting debate

i imagine that if we go according to the darwinian theory of today, Homosapiens has evolved from the APE, then why not the dinosaurs as well evolved into some sort of draco in caves or underground center of the earth type of existence? who knows

BUT, to me MAN didnt come from no apes.
if that was the case all beings like cats and dogs and etc, would supposedly have evolved and could be taking some sort of speech, as "evolved" as humans speech or even there could have existed today a common language between all animal species, including birds and fish.
anyway,

i think humans are a copy or created to the image of some other dimensional beings, that decided to make experiments or are trying to create a new species of better behaviour or who knows what this evolved race is looking for by "cultivating" human species on Earth. In that process something went "wrong" and now we are what we are , all negatie, full of disease etc.. at the verge of self-destruction actually.

maybe the dimensional beings who have us under experiment for eons will come to earth to tell us the truth about our origins and try and turn things around with us for saving the planet we are almost managing to destroy. it could have cost the universal beings a lot to make it come alive and to allow us to destroy might be too much for them or even cost the solar system loads of trouble.

[rhydra]

Any successful descendent of the dinosaurs would be best placed being omnivorous, being able to subsist on anything. The conditions on this planet would probably not be conducive to the species, On other planets conditions might be so different that any humanoid being might find it extremely difficult to adapt or even exist.

[cleopatraxxx]

Any successful descendent of the dinosaurs would be best placed being omnivorous, being able to subsist on anything. The conditions on this planet would probably not be conducive to the species, On other planets conditions might be so different that any humanoid being might find it extremely difficult to adapt or even exist.

i believe ther is a reason why so far today human kind wasnt allowed true easy travel outside its own planet.
may be for preservation of species purposes? specially, being so destructive of our own environment and cruel to fellow animals... why would the Universe want us out fo this blue sphere?
or we are imprisoned? for exactly the purpose of allwong the soul to evolve within and nolt looking answers outside? all humans tend to do is blame their problems, either on the devil, or on god, on anything except themselves, so thus, creation itself teaches us a lesson, imprisons us here , maybe until we evolve anough to be allowed outside? will we ever evolve? spiritually i mean.

the time in which the human race will bring peace to its own home might be the time it will be allowed contact with other species outside this realm of 3D or other planets.
i almost sound alien to this planet...LOL

[rhydra]

i believe ther is a reason why so far today human kind wasnt allowed true easy travel outside its own planet.
may be for preservation of species purposes? specially, being so destructive of our own environment and cruel to fellow animals... why would the Universe want us out fo this blue sphere?
or we are imprisoned? for exactly the purpose of allwong the soul to evolve within and nolt looking answers outside? all humans tend to do is blame their problems, either on the devil, or on god, on anything except themselves, so thus, creation itself teaches us a lesson, imprisons us here , maybe until we evolve anough to be allowed outside? will we ever evolve? spiritually i mean.

the time in which the human race will bring peace to its own home might be the time it will be allowed contact with other species outside this realm of 3D or other planets.
i almost sound alien to this planet...LOL

That is what I have thought for a while, humans, though well intentioned do have the weakness of blame.There is a gene for this which has been put into humans which makes them incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions, it was put there by the reptilians... :D

But as for religious people go, I do find them some of the most kind and selfless people, on the other hand some of their views and outlook scares me, a lot. I don't think that I would want human beings running around all over the universe and further afield wouldn't it be somewhat like giving Julius Caesar Cruise Missiles?

Maybe that's what many Starseeds have fond their way onto this planet for and others who have been drawn to see the beginnings of a transition from a technologically adept but socially backward species to something resembling a civilisation which is interesting enough to be visited and helped and maybe can participate in galactic affairs. Man has to cease thinking he is special and the world rotates around the biped with opposable thumbs though.

Deities and hate have to be dropped, perhaps humans will eventually succeed, those who still think the sky is a blanket with holes in will stay safely out of harms way.

[mauviene]

interesting debate

i imagine that if we go according to the darwinian theory of today, Homosapiens has evolved from the APE, then why not the dinosaurs as well evolved into some sort of draco in caves or underground center of the earth type of existence? who knows

BUT, to me MAN didnt come from no apes.
if that was the case all beings like cats and dogs and etc, would supposedly have evolved and could be taking some sort of speech, as "evolved" as humans speech or even there could have existed today a common language between all animal species, including birds and fish.
anyway,

i think humans are a copy or created to the image of some other dimensional beings, that decided to make experiments or are trying to create a new species of better behaviour or who knows what this evolved race is looking for by "cultivating" human species on Earth. In that process something went "wrong" and now we are what we are , all negatie, full of disease etc.. at the verge of self-destruction actually.

maybe the dimensional beings who have us under experiment for eons will come to earth to tell us the truth about our origins and try and turn things around with us for saving the planet we are almost managing to destroy. it could have cost the universal beings a lot to make it come alive and to allow us to destroy might be too much for them or even cost the solar system loads of trouble.

Well, not exactly. His theory states that all life evolved from the same seed or source, but later on humans and apes both evolved from the same primate ancestor. So its normally commonly mistaken that the theory states man came from ape, when really it states both man and ape are different branches from the same root.

And also his theory states that man is only like this today because earthly conditions where favorable for a humanoid evolution for that particular species of mammal. So, according to the theory it wouldn't be necessary for any other race to be humanoid, since each species evolved to it's fullest potential based on the obstacles and favorable conditions given to it.

As for what you believe I can't really say that it has any backbone at all, since in order for there to be any type of intelligent being in the universe they would of had to of gone through some type of evolution. I think it's more acceptable when it's stated that some other race perpetuated humans to evolve faster than normal. For example, there is a fable about a fishman who came out of the water to show the primitive man at the time the structure of government, agriculture, art, and music. And also there are many cave paintings and of course the famous Sumerian tablets of strange looking beings and spaceships ect. The only thing here is it's impossible to tell if all these instances were just caused by the indigenous people fasting, eating hallucinating substances, and flexing their or imagination or where tales from actual events.

[marpat]

They would probably be bipedal or humanoid and made out of carbon because in their physical form they occupy the same dimension and reality as us with simular planets etc... it would seem the formula for an intelligent species requires opposable thumbs and freely moving head also regardlessif humans are a genetic manipulation or whatever. But in their interdimensional form they are more like pure energy and dont really have a physical form as such.

So if they dont really have a physical form then why should they look like reptiles at all?

My own thinking is that entities take the forms of the minds they contact. Perhaps the reptilian forms started to become popular after the V series on TV.

[shenoma]

We honestly don't know where how we got here in the first place. Maybe, not knowing is on purpose? And there could be valid reasons to keep people in the dark?

[noobcybot]

So if they dont really have a physical form then why should they look like reptiles at all?

My own thinking is that entities take the forms of the minds they contact. Perhaps the reptilian forms started to become popular after the V series on TV.

Yes Marpat, the idea that they are thought forms makes sense to me too. But personally I think if we are looking at the Quaran and some of the other religious texts then referances to the Demons being reptilian in nature leads me to believe they are interdimensional aliens with a more concrete representation of a physical reptilian race. I think the reptilian brain idea also explains a lot in this theory in terms of the links between it and ritualistic behaviour. I guess in the grand scale of things though it doesant matter much and they may indeed be completely based on taking the form their host projects. If we think about the Native Indians and other cultures believing we all have animal spirit creatures or familiers ( I saw that Golden Compass film the other day which had a story clearly based on such mythology ) then whats to say that we wont start seeing videos with politicians turning into cat people or some such occourance?

[siphon880di]

Okay the humanoid body design is good for running and walking long distances in the physical world.

The reason why the humanoid traits is linked to intelligent civilizations is because without this set of traits, you wouldn't be able to walk far enough to collect the resources to build a shelter, spacecraft, or space rocket.

One of the humanoid traits is always bipedalism which means you walk on two feets. Think about it. You can move and collect resources much more efficiently than using four legs and your mouth for grasping. Most intelligent humanoids should have no opposable toe. The opposable toe makes you "trip" as you walk. Other humanoid traits should encourage walking straight. Non-human primates have to swing their bodies around as they walk, walk on their knuckles, or move in the canopies. Then there are countless traits associated with bipedalism: olcranon process, the pelvis, narrow vs shallow rig cage, etc.

In the physical world, the humanoid body plan makes a lot of sense. Why reptilians are humanoids, I imagine no one knows for sure. Perhaps they were physical on some planet and evolved there, they took after our thoughts, or that's how the Universe designed intelligent beings in all levels.

[rhydra]

Okay the humanoid body design is good for running and walking long distances in the physical world.

The reason why the humanoid traits is linked to intelligent civilizations is because without this set of traits, you wouldn't be able to walk far enough to collect the resources to build a shelter, spacecraft, or space rocket.



However, assuming the environment concerned does not necessitate the construction of shelters, if there is no adverse weather to shelter from or a need to traverse distances for food, fuel etc, to create physical objects, if all the creations of the particular species are non physical for instance.

Not all environments are identical to the ones which primates evolved from, some may have evolved in marine environments, be airborne, or may not possess limbs at all. There may be myriad environments out there, the goldilocks zone of habitation is being called into question as is the need for carbon to base a lifeforms on, there may be intelligent silicone based creatures, even lifeforms which we can't even see, which may not even be planetary based.

[measle_weasel]

Why humanoid?

Ive always thought it strange that seemingly all other species who are "intelligent" have the same general design. Maybe all came from the same original source life form, long long ago.

But I would find it hard to believe if there were NOT a multitude of other viable and functional forms a creature could take, and still accomplish just as much, if not more, than a humanoid like form could.

[noewhan]

Get this...

People who 'worship' Darwins theory of evolution say we evolved from ape-like humanoid creatures. If that happens to be false ;) then what? If an alien humanoid comes down to Earth, are they going to say 'Ahh yes, it must have also evolved from an ape.'

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[rhydra]

Get this...

People who 'worship' Darwins theory of evolution say we evolved from ape-like humanoid creatures. If that happens to be false ;) then what? If an alien humanoid comes down to Earth, are they going to say 'Ahh yes, it must have also evolved from an ape.'

?

I don't think that would work in the same way as someone would assume that it was formed from a bit of clay or an extra rib.

[octopusrex]

Bah.

The Naga are SERPENTS.

No arms or legs.

But big mouth. Big ass mouth...

And a really smart head.