Should I become a "Freeman"?

[neworderhorizon]

Hello.
Can I not use common law without becoming a "freeman on the land"? What are the benefits of doing so?
Also are there any draw backs to becoming one? (such as losing pension, NHS....)
Thanks for looking.
Laters!

[sukyspook]

Hello.
Can I not use common law without becoming a "freeman on the land"? What are the benefits of doing so?
Also are there any draw backs to becoming one? (such as losing pension, NHS....)
Thanks for looking.
Laters!

I haven't tried challenging 'the system' or its representatives personally yet but I am mindful of avoiding the pitfalls 'they' have set as traps to take our money and ultimately our property (but they can't take my soul/spirit if I am ever mindful that that's what they truly, ultimately want.....). However I have decided to pursue the Freeman route for myself and hopefully my family will follow when they're ready.

Financially, the benefits will obviously be fewer as in social security/pension etc but hopefully I won't have all the stress of their constant fearmongering via money and statutes which are nothing but revenue collection scams.....I am still learning how to 'deal' with the 'agents' of the system, even if they don't even know they're 'agents'!!

Have you watched all the videos you can, including these and there are many more ie:

Occult World of Commerce
Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception - and all Robert Arthur Menard's vids
Winston Shrout vids
Hijacking Humanity
America - From Freedom to Fascism
No EU - Common Purpose (two vids)
The AntiTerrotist videos

and checked out this amazing library of info:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4219585/The-Hidden-History-of-Money

and read:
HOW I CLOBBERED. EVERY BUREAUCRATIC. CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY. KNOWN TO MAN by Mary Croft
freedom-school.com/mary_elizabeth_croft.pdf

I don't believe anyone can advise you to become/or not, a Freeman or give you enough of the facts to enable you to be conviced and hence begin the process. It's a very personal decision and to make up your mind YOU have to fully inform yourself.

If you've seen/read/watched the above and are still unsure - my suggestion would be to keep on looking/reading/watching as you haven't become annoyed - or mad - at just what's been done to humanity for millenia. Hope this helps. I'm right at the beginning of the process and about to send off my Birth Certificate to Hanky Panky Paulson or his successor.

[neworderhorizon]

I haven't tried challenging 'the system' or its representatives personally yet but I am mindful of avoiding the pitfalls 'they' have set as traps to take our money and ultimately our property (but they can't take my soul/spirit if I am ever mindful that that's what they truly, ultimately want.....). However I have decided to pursue the Freeman route for myself and hopefully my family will follow when they're ready.

Financially, the benefits will obviously be fewer as in social security/pension etc but hopefully I won't have all the stress of their constant fearmongering via money and statutes which are nothing but revenue collection scams.....I am still learning how to 'deal' with the 'agents' of the system, even if they don't even know they're 'agents'!!

Have you watched all the videos you can, including these and there are many more ie:

Occult World of Commerce
Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception - and all Robert Arthur Menard's vids
Winston Shrout vids
Hijacking Humanity
America - From Freedom to Fascism
No EU - Common Purpose (two vids)
The AntiTerrotist videos

and checked out this amazing library of info:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4219585/The-Hidden-History-of-Money

and read:
HOW I CLOBBERED. EVERY BUREAUCRATIC. CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY. KNOWN TO MAN by Mary Croft
freedom-school.com/mary_elizabeth_croft.pdf

I don't believe anyone can advise you to become/or not, a Freeman or give you enough of the facts to enable you to be conviced and hence begin the process. It's a very personal decision and to make up your mind YOU have to fully inform yourself.

If you've seen/read/watched the above and are still unsure - my suggestion would be to keep on looking/reading/watching as you haven't become annoyed - or mad - at just what's been done to humanity for millenia. Hope this helps. I'm right at the beginning of the process and about to send off my Birth Certificate to Hanky Panky Paulson or his successor.

Thanks for the info.
I would like to become a "freeman on this land", what method did you use to become one? If it was this one..
http://www.tpuc.org/node/257
Can you tell me why you have to wait 40 days before sending off the second letter and do you get any confirmation of your "freeman on the land" status afterwards?
Also do you lose your national insurance number?
Thank you looking.
Laters.

[yozhik]

Also do you lose your national insurance number?
Thank you looking.
Laters.

Given that this question has been asked, it appears to me that some more research would be beneficial. :)
Please - don't take offence - but, after reading more and watching all of the videos, I'm confident you will answer this question for yourself.

Good luck!

[Ian2day]

You could make a statement that you're a sovereign human being to anyone trying to engage you in a contractoral agreement. I do believe that common law applies to all people. However contract law applies to those who agree to enter into a contract. So if you spot someone attempting to engage you in a contract and refuse to do business with them. Then perhaps just common law applies. Also forcing you into a contract is a form of servitude/slavery which has I expect been outlawed under common law. There is also the unfair terms in contract act to fall back on if suddenly a corporation attempts to exploit the small print in an overly long contract. For it is surely unfair or not reasonable to have a contract which is made up of language designed to mislead, obfuscate and confuse either of the contractoral parties. So if you have not had the benefit of an education of a similar standing to thsoe who drafted the contract then sure it is null and void as it is unfair and thuse unreasonable to expect an uneducated human baing to be able to engage in a transactional agreement covered by a contract weighed heavily in one parties favour.

[neworderhorizon]

Well I have watched many hours of videos and have gone through many forums and articles but there is something thats still not completely clear. I am currently on disability support, if I become a "freeman on the land", would I stop receiving that benefit?
I believe that if you lose your national insurance number you give anything like that up.
Just want to make sure before I do anything.

Thanks for all the info and for looking.
Cheers.
Laters.

[danster82]

Like I just posted in the COR thread I dont quite understand it because you cannot "become" a freeman because you are already a freeman they are "God given rights" so unless someone has somehow taken away what God has given you then you are still a freeman, always was and always will be, it is simply the recognition that you are infact a freeman right now and that your freedom has only been obscured and for that reason you need not write any notices or claim any rights because they are already yours. I think all we can do is continue to unmask our hidden freedoms and start acting from a newly discovered freedom.

[dragond]

i personally think freemen on the land as the movement people looking for.. there is alot of ways to break urself from the matrix but to me freemen seems the most peacefull way.. knowledge is power and we HAVE to know our rights to keep the power with us..

D

[hey_jude]

I think you are a 'freeman' but I believe the process is NOTIFYING the 'authourities' that you are a freeman-on-the-land. Thereby giving them notice to butt out and not waste their time on you because you obviously know what a freeman is and what it entails.
I believe you do relinguish their system and that would mean anything which you needed your NI number for e.g. Hospital treatment, Dr's, benefits, pension, tax et al. But I'm sure the benefits you get back are a wonderful feeling of freedom and empowerment. I wouldn't attempt it until I'd had a full FREE check-up at the docs and maybe got a few family or friends to cover my butt if things went real bad. I'm already involved in the health side of things and I'm stocking up on vitamins and found sources of fresh organic food. Also thinking of growing my own veg in the garden. I learnt to make my own bread this summer and now I'm learning how to make cheese. This awakening stuff is so weird - my brain is like a sponge now, I just can't get enough information!

^Thanks for posting those links & info - I also want to learn more about the bond process. Whereby you can go into court with 'wingmen' and be worth more in terms of liability than the judge. I hope I got that right? Because I think it's brilliant.

[rob menard]

Like I just posted in the COR thread I dont quite understand it because you cannot "become" a freeman because you are already a freeman they are "God given rights" so unless someone has somehow taken away what God has given you then you are still a freeman, always was and always will be, it is simply the recognition that you are infact a freeman right now and that your freedom has only been obscured and for that reason you need not write any notices or claim any rights because they are already yours. I think all we can do is continue to unmask our hidden freedoms and start acting from a newly discovered freedom.

Some one did take them away, more accurately you gave them away by way of application and registration. Yes there is that which should be, but isn't. Now you must decide what path you will take. Will you avoid conflict by putting a little work in, or will you due to laziness refuse to serve notice and claim your rights because they SHOULD know about our rights? Are you willing to gamble on the police's understanding of the law and your rights? Bear in mind, all they have now is what the government gives them. You will be crying about your so called rights as they are destroyed and ignored and when guns are in play. The COR does not grant you the rights, you are right God does, but if you do not express your intent to exercise them, the cops will enjoy color of right to assume that you like so many others have abandoned or traded those rights for the protection and service they provide.

Why should I have to get out of bed? (whine whine) I smell smoke and know my place is burning, but I paid for a sprinkler system dammit! So I will stay here and risk it all, because I should not have to do anything.

Why should I do anything like tell people I intend to exercise rights most have forgotten, and even though I know this is the situation, and I know or should know doing so will generate conflict and there is a way I can avoid that conflict easily, and only I can do that, it will not be me generating conflict because I should not be expected to do anything for my rights.

If you cannot see why we serve notice of our understanding and intent and claim our rights, I respectfully suggest you will never be a Freeman, in either mind or spirit.

Rob

[dragond]

Some one did take them away, more accurately you gave them away by way of application and registration. Yes there is that which should be, but isn't. Now you must decide what path you will take. Will you avoid conflict by putting a little work in, or will you due to laziness refuse to serve notice and claim your rights because they SHOULD know about our rights? Are you willing to gamble on the police's understanding of the law and your rights? Bear in mind, all they have now is what the government gives them. You will be crying about your so called rights as they are destroyed and ignored and when guns are in play. The COR does not grant you the rights, you are right God does, but if you do not express your intent to exercise them, the cops will enjoy color of right to assume that you like so many others have abandoned or traded those rights for the protection and service they provide.

Why should I have to get out of bed? (whine whine) I smell smoke and know my place is burning, but I paid for a sprinkler system dammit! So I will stay here and risk it all, because I should not have to do anything.

Why should I do anything like tell people I intend to exercise rights most have forgotten, and even though I know this is the situation, and I know or should know doing so will generate conflict and there is a way I can avoid that conflict easily, and only I can do that, it will not be me generating conflict because I should not be expected to do anything for my rights.

If you cannot see why we serve notice of our understanding and intent and claim our rights, I respectfully suggest you will never be a Freeman, in either mind or spirit.

Rob

thx for the above insight rob.. i for one will be a freemen as soon as i understand everything in everyway..we as human beings have become too ignorant to understand anything let alone the laws that the criminal elite creates and automatically assume that these laws are for us and are for our benefit, which is rediculus..!! if and only if people take a good look around the so called society (never seen proof of so called society) then we will hopefully understand that nothing is as it seems..most have become too lazy and too dumbed down to even contemplate the idea of being truly free..

D

p.s 2 questions rob. 1. do i have to believe in god to use the ''god given rights'' to use as an arguement? and 2. do we get confirmation of our status as freemen on the land after serving the affedavit?

[Ian2day]

thx for the above insight rob.. i for one will be a freemen as soon as i understand everything in everyway..we as human beings have become too ignorant to understand anything let alone the laws that the criminal elite creates and automatically assume that these laws are for us and are for our benefit, which is rediculus..!! if and only if people take a good look around the so called society (never seen proof of so called society) then we will hopefully understand that nothing is as it seems..most have become too lazy and too dumbed down to even contemplate the idea of being truly free..

D

p.s 2 questions rob. 1. do i have to believe in god to use the ''god given rights'' to use as an arguement? and 2. do we get confirmation of our status as freemen on the land after serving the affedavit?

I'm not Rob but hey with regard to question 1. You could believe that you yourself are god. I would even go so far as to say that atheists in fact are of this mindset, just that they deny their own power due to their upbringing.

[dragond]

I'm not Rob but hey with regard to question 1. You could believe that you yourself are god. I would even go so far as to say that atheists in fact are of this mindset, just that they deny their own power due to their upbringing.

suits me just fine..funny enuff thats what i always believed that we are the God/s and we are the devil.. might sound weird to some people but we create then we destroy..

D

[lesactive]

I am agnostic and have no trouble considering myself as an extension of the 'divine' energy (I do believe in energy). Whether this energy is a singular consciousness, to me, is a big question though not the only one. I'm content in supposing that each of us, as extensions of the divine, impart the divine if we're aware of its possibility. I don't think it's necessary to rely on faith.

This does not constitute belief, per se, but more of a working model, the parameters of which are decided by me in my predicament, and you in yours, at any given time. If I am an extension of the divine and you are an extension of the divine also then for what rational reason would we harm one another.

I tend to look at gov't today as a self perpetuating fear factory, for the most part. It's stated purpose being the protector of your rights while simultaneously providing you with the motive and means to give them up.

Government, as it presently operates, is not an extension of the divine, it is its usurper.... if you allow it. That it recognizes the possibility of a divine consciousness without defining it opens the door for your interpretation. I have my ideas and I'm sure you have yours, no matter how vaguely formed (we all have doubts) from which you can build a reason to use that cognizance.

The government can only control what it creates, so step out of the way and let it do its job. Know that you are the player and not the token.

[vienna]

Hello.
Can I not use common law without becoming a "freeman on the land"? What are the benefits of doing so?
Also are there any draw backs to becoming one? (such as losing pension, NHS....)
Thanks for looking.
Laters!

look up Jordan Maxwell's 'occult world of commerce' presentation

this is a must see vid for anyone approaching the freeman movement - after you've watched it you'll realise how absurd your initial question is

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1697805906900297328

[danster82]

Some one did take them away, more accurately you gave them away by way of application and registration. Yes there is that which should be, but isn't. Now you must decide what path you will take. Will you avoid conflict by putting a little work in, or will you due to laziness refuse to serve notice and claim your rights because they SHOULD know about our rights? Are you willing to gamble on the police's understanding of the law and your rights? Bear in mind, all they have now is what the government gives them. You will be crying about your so called rights as they are destroyed and ignored and when guns are in play. The COR does not grant you the rights, you are right God does, but if you do not express your intent to exercise them, the cops will enjoy color of right to assume that you like so many others have abandoned or traded those rights for the protection and service they provide.
[I]
Why should I have to get out of bed? (whine whine) I smell smoke and know my place is burning, but I paid for a sprinkler system dammit! So I will stay here and risk it all, because I should not have to do anything.
Why should I do anything like tell people I intend to exercise rights most have forgotten, and even though I know this is the situation, and I know or should know doing so will generate conflict and there is a way I can avoid that conflict easily, and only I can do that, it will not be me generating conflict because I should not be expected to do anything for my rights.

If you cannot see why we serve notice of our understanding and intent and claim our rights, I respectfully suggest you will never be a Freeman, in either mind or spirit.

Rob

Firstly I stand by point that freedom is free and thus cannot be taken away if it can be taken away it was not freedom in the first place the reason I say this is because I identify myself as a spiritual being.

So you say “Some one did take them away, more accurately you gave them away by way of application and registration.” I say in my original post they were obscured and hidden if you like, meaning we have been tricked, tricked being the key word here into believing we have no rights but the fact still remains we did always have them rights as they cannot be taken only hidden.

“Will you avoid conflict by putting a little work in, or will you due to laziness refuse to serve notice and claim your rights because they SHOULD know about our rights? “

First of who are “they”? and why should they know about your rights? Should we also know about their rights? They is in my opinion a computer, a mechanized state of consciousness created by us which has somehow become dominant over the creator(us). However you could also see They as the collective consciousness of humanity in which case yes they do need to be reminded of their freedom which they have. This to me is the greatest purpose the freeman movement serves not that everyone can start learning the law and filling cors but that it will simply remind them of their forgotten sovereignty.

“Now you must decide what path you will take”

I already have, I am a freeman without need to understand the legality or file documents the reason is I need not do these things because I am free. And when they come to me with their statues I will remind the agents of the machines at that point that they do not apply to me. Now this may sound naïve but what’s truly required is not that everyone becomes aware of the law as this is impossible it is that everyone has a shift in attitude and identity which is something that comes from within meaning it is free and is very possible. So you say we must express our intent to exercise them rights well no one said we wasn’t what I am pointing out is that when you are free expressing your freedom is not limited to expressing your intent via legal terms and documentation. The intent is within and I will express it.

So I may still file my COR as it is simply an area of understanding I now have and so can have action in that area yet this is an area the multitudes will never have a full understanding of and so you cannot come to them like you have in your reply to me and claim that they have no rights unless they proceed as you have because no one is the gatekeeper of anyone else rights unless of course they have been tricked into believe so.

"Why should I do anything like tell people I intend to exercise rights most have forgotten, and even though I know this is the situation, and I know or should know doing so will generate conflict and there is a way I can avoid that conflict easily, and only I can do that, it will not be me generating conflict because I should not be expected to do anything for my rights. "

What I am saying would generate far more conflict than filling a cor as they would have to imprison the whole population over night the contrasts would be so obvious their game would end that being if everyone affirmed their freedom as a spiritual being.

"If you cannot see why we serve notice of our understanding and intent and claim our rights, I respectfully suggest you will never be a Freeman, in either mind or spirit."

This is probably the most ridiculously thing I have ever seen someone express, no malice intended.

When he was questioned by the Pharisees, as to when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them and said "The kingdom of God does not come with outward signs to be observed. Neither shall they say, Look here! or, look over there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.'


P.S thanks for all the great work you have done its clearly having a positive effect.

Dan

[passer by]

Using God's Law to fight, pulls the rug right out from under the New World Order, because God's Law strictly forbids men from legislating, under pain of death, and the New World Order's power-base is its ability to legislate.

Check out:

http://bornagainfreeman.ning.com/

[bones]

first of all ide listen to ppl like girlgye, pleasuredome and rob menard, these ppl are very experienced in dealing with statutes. common law sounds very simple but the system will do whatever it can to make sure the freeman movement dont happen.

girl and pleasuredome are experiencing this as we speak.

i have had sucess
with notices to hmrc etc but nothing to heavy yet.

as a word of caution here dont trust asky or number 6 as they are here to discredit our thinking and will derail as much of it as they can....

on a final note unless you know what you are doing dont do anything to heavy we will do all we can to share info....

start with bursting bubbles by rob menard...

[asky]

Bones wrote
first of all ide listen to ppl like girlgye, pleasuredome and rob menard, these ppl are very experienced in dealing with statutes. common law sounds very simple but the system will do whatever it can to make sure the freeman movement dont happen.

girl and pleasuredome are experiencing this as we speak.

Well done bones that should put him off:D
One who is on the run from the police
One who is down 4 grand and a car
and another who tells amusing anecdotes but cannot back anything up:rolleyes:

Dont listen to me just read the threads:p

ASKY

[h2pogo]

Bones wrote


Well done bones that should put him off:D
One who is on the run from the police
One who is down 4 grand and a car
and another who tells amusing anecdotes but cannot back anything up:rolleyes:

Dont listen to me just read the threads:p

ASKY


you dont get freedom for free..
I am sure not many people here would be that naive to think being a freeman would be easy..
you have made it very clear you have no faith in the freeman concept asky so i ask out of curiosity why do you spend hour after hour posting on these threads.

[asky]

I enjoy it
Why else would I or anybody else do it?

Becoming a freeman is easy
Its maintaining it that is the problem.

asky

[david merrill]

Some one did take them away, more accurately you gave them away by way of application and registration...

Rob

This is a good grasp of the term unalienable. These rights were never taken away. You, by conditioning forfeited them.

[dharmic one]

This is a good grasp of the term unalienable. These rights were never taken away. You, by conditioning forfeited them.

See.....this I can wholeheartedly agree with and comprehend. I think it is the beginning of all the controls systems we see in place and begins with a fraud. A conditioned fraud that has to begin within the mind of the victim before it can bear fruit in society. Slaves need to be reminded constantly that they are so and the fool system serves this purpose perfectly.

It produces heavily fortified nonsensical paradoxes of freedom and existence that are defended rather than exposed for the nonsense they truly are......

You couldn't write this stuff.......

[griswald]

Using God's Law to fight, pulls the rug right out from under the New World Order, because God's Law strictly forbids men from legislating, under pain of death, and the New World Order's power-base is its ability to legislate.

Check out:

http://bornagainfreeman.ning.com/


Why are you trying to destabilise the Freeman communities, by sending e mails to them encouraging them to question being part of that community.

I believe that you are in fear of the Freeman concept, thats why you are trying to corrupt it.

griswald