ID requested for checking into a room

[ustane]

The other day in Nottingham I went into a pub which advertised cheap rooms with Bed & Breakfast starting from £19.50, cheaper by comparison than the hotels would be. I have stayed in hotels recently and they never asked for any ID yet this mediocre pub wanted me to produce photographic ID before I could book a room. I didn't bother.

[hagbard_celine]

The other day in Nottingham I went into a pub which advertised cheap rooms with Bed & Breakfast starting from £19.50, cheaper by comparison than the hotels would be. I have stayed in hotels recently and they never asked for any ID yet this mediocre pub wanted me to produce photographic ID before I could book a room. I didn't bother.

Why the hell do they need to see photo ID just to book a hotel room!?:eek::confused::rolleyes: I bet if you'd asked the manager he wouldn't have been able to tell you. He'd have just said "It's the management policy" or something along the "just doing my job" cop-out line.:rolleyes:

[marpat]

The other day in Nottingham I went into a pub which advertised cheap rooms with Bed & Breakfast starting from £19.50, cheaper by comparison than the hotels would be. I have stayed in hotels recently and they never asked for any ID yet this mediocre pub wanted me to produce photographic ID before I could book a room. I didn't bother.

Perhaps people check in with false details and then wreck the place. At least if you have agood ID card they will know who is responsible for damage to the hotel.

[hagbard_celine]

Perhaps people check in with false details and then wreck the place. At least if you have agood ID card they will know who is responsible for damage to the hotel.

That unfortunately is Problem-Reaction-Solution thinking:D. And the solution in this case is the Big Brother "Papieren bitte!" state. The destruction of civil liberties to prevent a few towels being torn up and some minature spirit bottles being stolen from a mini-bar:rolleyes:, and event that doesn't happen too often, does it?

And how did hotel owners cope before Big Brother came along? Isn't that what the police and 999 are for?:confused::rolleyes: Why can't they just do that now?

[shodan]

our local supermarket have started ID'ing young lads for buying computer magazines??? wtf

conditioning

[hagbard_celine]

our local supermarket have started ID'ing young lads for buying computer magazines??? wtf

conditioning

Absolutely!:cool: It's getting young people accutomed to the Identity Check Culture so when they grow up it will be second nature and they will not resist the ID cards, chips etc.

[cleopatraxxx]

our local supermarket have started ID'ing young lads for buying computer magazines??? wtf

conditioning

what?!?!?!?!?!

that is beyond anything....
i am speechless, if only people stopped buying to prevent them implement this crap!
the power is withint the taxpayer. if we allow it, they will make it compulsory. they are for now testing it. but stupid people will aloww it for sure. with so much info on the internet, one wouldn't need the magazine.:mad:

[cleopatraxxx]

That unfortunately is Problem-Reaction-Solution thinking:D. And the solution in this case is the Big Brother "Papieren bitte!" state. The destruction of civil liberties to prevent a few towels being torn up and some minature spirit bottles being stolen from a mini-bar:rolleyes:, and event that doesn't happen too often, does it?

And how did hotel owners cope before Big Brother came along? Isn't that what the police and 999 are for?:confused::rolleyes: Why can't they just do that now?

i agree with you hagbard 100%

[shodan]

Absolutely!:cool: It's getting young people accutomed to the Identity Check Culture so when they grow up it will be second nature and they will not resist the ID cards, chips etc.

Yep.

I'm also coming across a few 30 - 40 year olds getting ID'd for alcohol in various stores, and having to go home for their ID. They've been buying drink for 20 yrs without a problem.
as part of the 'think 30' campaign (if the customer looks under 30 then ask for ID), I have heard shop assistants who inadvertently sell alcohol to underage customers get a £2000 fine/dismissal. So of course they have little choice really but to play along with it.

We are being processed as we speak.

[diamond dogs]

Perhaps people check in with false details and then wreck the place. At least if you have agood ID card they will know who is responsible for damage to the hotel.

Yes probably this lot.

'The Bullingdon Dining Club, a top secret drinking society, draws its membership from Oxford's super-rich, enticing them to a life of secrecy, champagne drinking and ritualised violence. Their excesses have cost them thousands of pounds, sparked threats of imprisonment, and once incurred a ban on entering within 15 miles of Oxford.'

December 2007, all 17 members were arrested for wrecking the cellar of a 15th century pub with 17 bottles of wine smashed into the walls after their 'dinner' became a scene from a Wild West saloon. Four members, including the ringleader, Princess Diana's nephew, Alexander Fellowes, were jailed for the night.

On another occasion 550 windows at the college of Christ Church in Oxford were smashed in one evening by Bullingdon members. 'I like the sound of breaking glass' is apparently one of the society's mottos. These are the same people who then move on into politics and condemn 'drunken violence' and vandalism.

Two such hypocrites are David Cameron, now leader of the Conservative Party, and boss, at least in theory, to George Osborne; and Boris Johnson, the current Conservative Mayor of London. Both were Bullingdon members at the same time.

[cleopatraxxx]

Yep.

I'm also coming across a few 30 - 40 year olds getting ID'd for alcohol in various stores, and having to go home for their ID. They've been buying drink for 20 yrs without a problem.
as part of the 'think 30' campaign (if the customer looks under 30 then ask for ID), I have heard shop assistants who inadvertently sell alcohol to underage customers get a £2000 fine/dismissal. So of course they have little choice really but to play along with it.

We are being processed as we speak.

well, regarding that, the other day i was walking home from leaving my son at school and on the way some undergaed asked me if i could go and buy them some cigs! i looked at them, with an expression "are you mad? why the hell i would even do it?" and said simply loud voice and strong tone: "NO!" and he buggered off.
so to be simply put, it is up to the adults to contorl what they do or not for the kids. As i said, if parents had more time to dedicate and educate their teenagers we wouldnt have to go through this.
we are living the consequence of irresponsibility on behalf of many parents, with the help of the system of course, so now might be already too late.

it starts looking that the Illuminati by giving us the tools dont have to do anything else than wait for our response: Problem-Reaction-Solution, and of course the reaction is NEGATIVE, so now comes the outcome: many are going to put the hands over their headds and in madness run from one corner to another asking themselves, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN???

well, many will riot against the microchipping, and I BET this will be implemented all over the world around 2011, approaching December, 2012-the so called date of the "rapture". By being all in the negative suffering state, ful of hate, the majority will be "raptured" by illuminati into darkness and only a few with open eyes not playing the game will go to the promised "heaven". this is believed to be the 5th dimensional planet EARTH that coexists with our 3rd plane now. so the mayhem left behind here in 3D will be totally ruled by darkness of the spirit: chosen with FREE WILL! surprised?????

[disconnex]

That unfortunately is Problem-Reaction-Solution thinking:D. And the solution in this case is the Big Brother "Papieren bitte!" state. The destruction of civil liberties to prevent a few towels being torn up and some minature spirit bottles being stolen from a mini-bar:rolleyes:, and event that doesn't happen too often, does it?

And how did hotel owners cope before Big Brother came along? Isn't that what the police and 999 are for?:confused::rolleyes: Why can't they just do that now?

I thought people checked into hotels with false names all the time to hide out, have torrid affairs, etc. Why would a slimy pub want id unless it was for drinking purpouses. Dunno, good point though.

[cleopatraxxx]

Yes probably this lot.

'The Bullingdon Dining Club, a top secret drinking society, draws its membership from Oxford's super-rich, enticing them to a life of secrecy, champagne drinking and ritualised violence. Their excesses have cost them thousands of pounds, sparked threats of imprisonment, and once incurred a ban on entering within 15 miles of Oxford.'

December 2007, all 17 members were arrested for wrecking the cellar of a 15th century pub with 17 bottles of wine smashed into the walls after their 'dinner' became a scene from a Wild West saloon. Four members, including the ringleader, Princess Diana's nephew, Alexander Fellowes, were jailed for the night.

On another occasion 550 windows at the college of Christ Church in Oxford were smashed in one evening by Bullingdon members. 'I like the sound of breaking glass' is apparently one of the society's mottos. These are the same people who then move on into politics and condemn 'drunken violence' and vandalism.

Two such hypocrites are David Cameron, now leader of the Conservative Party, and boss, at least in theory, to George Osborne; and Boris Johnson, the current Conservative Mayor of London. Both were Bullingdon members at the same time.

i am not surprised.
if anyone saw the movie 8mm, with NIck Cage, similar in life happens to the story in the movie.

[shodan]

well, regarding that, the other day i was walking home from leaving my son at school and on the way some undergaed asked me if i could go and buy them some cigs! i looked at them, with an expression "are you mad? why the hell i would even do it?" and said simply loud voice and strong tone: "NO!" and he buggered off.
so to be simply put, it is up to the adults to contorl what they do or not for the kids. As i said, if parents had more time to dedicate and educate their teenagers we wouldnt have to go through this.
we are living the consequence of irresponsibility on behalf of many parents, with the help of the system of course, so now might be already too late.

it starts looking that the Illuminati by giving us the tools dont have to do anything else than wait for our response: Problem-Reaction-Solution, and of course the reaction is NEGATIVE, so now comes the outcome: many are going to put the hands over their headds and in madness run from one corner to another asking themselves, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN???

well, many will riot against the microchipping, and I BET this will be implemented all over the world around 2011, approaching December, 2012-the so called date of the "rapture". By being all in the negative suffering state, ful of hate, the majority will be "raptured" by illuminati into darkness and only a few with open eyes not playing the game will go to the promised "heaven". this is believed to be the 5th dimensional planet EARTH that coexists with our 3rd plane now. so the mayhem left behind here in 3D will be totally ruled by darkness of the spirit: chosen with FREE WILL! surprised?????

certainly a very real possibility

edit: nope not surprised

[marpat]

our local supermarket have started ID'ing young lads for buying computer magazines??? wtf

conditioning

But is there any adult content in some of the magazines they are buying? if games are being promoted that show violence then they may have an age thingy on them.

[marpat]

That unfortunately is Problem-Reaction-Solution thinking:D. And the solution in this case is the Big Brother "Papieren bitte!" state. The destruction of civil liberties to prevent a few towels being torn up and some minature spirit bottles being stolen from a mini-bar:rolleyes:, and event that doesn't happen too often, does it?

And how did hotel owners cope before Big Brother came along? Isn't that what the police and 999 are for?:confused::rolleyes: Why can't they just do that now?


Personally I dont buy into all that problem-reaction-solution thing. I do see how it can be applied but it tends to be applied to everything where there have been changes.

You may say its a few towels but that is somebodies property. What is a room gets completely smashed up? It's OK saying call the police but do they turn up? there have been times when people have phoned the police to report burglaries as they are happening and they police have said they are too busy to attend. If you were the hotel owner and people were stealing and damaging your stuff would you not view this as a way of potentially recovering the costs?

Look at the bad side though, some service people have been turned away from hotels when ID was produced, to the embarrassment of the hotel.

[hagbard_celine]

But is there any adult content in some of the magazines they are buying? if games are being promoted that show violence then they may have an age thingy on them.


Surely there are ways of dealing with issues like this without resorting to laws and rules that deprive people of civil libeties:confused:. Remember that the authorities who want to deprive us of our civil liberties are deliberately emphasizing problems like this to provide false justification for their agenda. They're hardly going to come out and say: "We want all your kids microchipped and adults fingerprinted so we can control them better". No way, they're going to present their agenda as the solution to a problem they highlight, or even create. They can even make us demand the very thing they want to impose when would ortherwise vehmently oppose it!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

Personally I dont buy into all that problem-reaction-solution thing. I do see how it can be applied but it tends to be applied to everything where there have been changes.

You may say its a few towels but that is somebodies property. What is a room gets completely smashed up? It's OK saying call the police but do they turn up? there have been times when people have phoned the police to report burglaries as they are happening and they police have said they are too busy to attend. If you were the hotel owner and people were stealing and damaging your stuff would you not view this as a way of potentially recovering the costs?

Look at the bad side though, some service people have been turned away from hotels when ID was produced, to the embarrassment of the hotel.

I do buy into it. What should a hotel owner value most, towels or their freedom?:confused::cool:

[dreamweaver]

The other day in Nottingham I went into a pub which advertised cheap rooms with Bed & Breakfast starting from £19.50, cheaper by comparison than the hotels would be. I have stayed in hotels recently and they never asked for any ID yet this mediocre pub wanted me to produce photographic ID before I could book a room. I didn't bother.
That has become standard since new regulations were brought in a couple of years ago. You'll also be asked for a passport or birth certificate if you start a new job. Apparently this blanket rule was brought in because it might "cause offence" if only foreign-born people had to prove they were entitled to work in the UK...

[disconnex]

I do buy into it. What should a hotel owner value most, towels or their freedom?:confused::cool:

It all depends on what he sees to be more costly i guess.

[shodan]

But is there any adult content in some of the magazines they are buying? if games are being promoted that show violence then they may have an age thingy on them.

Get out of here mate. This is wrong and you know it. I don't know if you have been to a supermarket lately, but check out the colourful TV and womens magazines at childrens eye level that have no rating on them at all - with such charming stories like 'my grandad is a pervert and he's stalking me!', 'the top 10 vile sex acts'. and thats the mild ones.

This is not about protecting young people against adult content, its about conditioning everyone to accept the id card and later the microchip

[marpat]

I do buy into it. What should a hotel owner value most, towels or their freedom?:confused::cool:

They own more than towels you know. An en suite room is not going to be a cheap repair job is it?

And how is providing ID at a hotel an affront on freedom? they are not restricting what you can and cant do. If you paid by card then you would give ID anyway.

Providing ID is does not remove freedom. Restricting peoples lives removes freedom.

[hagbard_celine]

It all depends on what he sees to be more costly i guess.

Well from an existentialist perspective my question was not rhetorical!:D There may be hoteliers who value towels more... Basil Fawlty perhaps:D.

[disconnex]

That has become standard since new regulations were brought in a couple of years ago. You'll also be asked for a passport or birth certificate if you start a new job. Apparently this blanket rule was brought in because it might "cause offence" if only foreign-born people had to prove they were entitled to work in the UK...

As of now in the U.S. you only need to fill out an I-9. Both citizen and non alike have to fill it out but if you are not a citizen you need to provide a work permit and resident alien card. If you are natural born you need a passport, drivers license, social security card, or something of the sort as proof.

[shodan]

They own more than towels you know. An en suite room is not going to be a cheap repair job is it?

And how is providing ID at a hotel an affront on freedom? they are not restricting what you can and cant do. If you paid by card then you would give ID anyway.

Providing ID is does not remove freedom. Restricting peoples lives removes freedom.

If you had to carry your ID card at all times when out in public, and the police had the power to stop you without any reason, and you lost your card, would this remove your freedom to go outside?

a great solution to this would of course be the microchip, but thats further up the learning curve.

[hagbard_celine]

They own more than towels you know. An en suite room is not going to be a cheap repair job is it?

And how is providing ID at a hotel an affront on freedom? they are not restricting what you can and cant do. If you paid by card then you would give ID anyway.

Providing ID is does not remove freedom. Restricting peoples lives removes freedom.


But the damand for constant ID checks is part of the stepping stones technique whose end result is total authoritarianism. Things like taking kids fingerprints at school, microchipping prisoners and forcing immigrants to take the ID card. The powers-that-be not going to come out and openly introduce the New World Order in one go; the people wouldn't stand for it. They use dirty tricks and psychological manipulation like this.

[cleopatraxxx]

Personally I dont buy into all that problem-reaction-solution thing. I do see how it can be applied but it tends to be applied to everything where there have been changes.


MARPAT,
this is your destiny and it is obvious , not a prediction, from all the posts you have made so far i and many have come across with:

" "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I (marpat) didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist, or i Marpat spoke against teh COMMUNISTS;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I (marpat) didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist, actually i spoke against the unionists;

And then they came for the Jews, And I (marpat) didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me (Marpat). . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

[cleopatraxxx]

But the damand for constant ID checks is part of the stepping stones technique whose end result is total authoritarianism. Things like taking kids fingerprints at school, microchipping prisoners and forcing immigrants to take the ID card. The powers-that-be not going to come out and openly introduce the New World Order in one go; the people wouldn't stand for it. They use dirty tricks and psychological manipulation like this.

i admire your patience Hagbard, very intelligent!

[marpat]

MARPAT,
this is your destiny and it is obvious , not a prediction, from all the posts you have made so far i and many have come across with:

" "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I (marpat) didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist, or i Marpat spoke against teh COMMUNISTS;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I (marpat) didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist, actually i spoke against the unionists;

And then they came for the Jews, And I (marpat) didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me (Marpat). . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

Get a grip will you. Is that how you were programmed to fear things?

[hagbard_celine]

i admire your patience Hagbard, very intelligent!


Cheers:):cool:

First they came for the immigrants...

Then they came for the prisoners...

[marpat]

But the damand for constant ID checks is part of the stepping stones technique whose end result is total authoritarianism. Things like taking kids fingerprints at school, microchipping prisoners and forcing immigrants to take the ID card. The powers-that-be not going to come out and openly introduce the New World Order in one go; the people wouldn't stand for it. They use dirty tricks and psychological manipulation like this.

This is about a hotel asking for ID not some NWO plan.

It seems to me that too many people fear change and are afraid for the future.

[hagbard_celine]

This is about a hotel asking for ID not some NWO plan.

.


But that's what they want you to think!

"It's only the prisoners and immigrants, it doesn't effect all of us."

"I don't see the harm in my son putting his thumb on a scanner to get a school meal? Will it kill him?"

"We need these meansures to protect the citizens from criminals!"

It seems to me that too many people fear change and are afraid for the future.

There's nothing wrong with change, advancement and evolution, but is this a reason to blindly accept all such change?:confused::eek:

[diamond dogs]

Unfortunately change for the worse imo it is classic tip toe totalitarian and one more step toward either ID Cards and then the Chip...

I remember watching an interview on The World at War series and the woman explained how everything was done (Fascism under Hitler) drip drip drip..and before you knew where you were....It was upon you

There are None so blind as those who will not see.

The point of the matter is I/we on the forum want a better society for our childrens future......

[hagbard_celine]

Unfortunately change for the worse imo it is classic tip toe totalitarian and one more step toward either ID Cards and then the Chip...

I remember watching an interview on The World at War series and the woman explained how everything was done (Fascism under Hitler) drip drip drip..and before you knew where you were....It was upon you

There are None so blind as those who will not see.

In a nutshell!:cool:

[cleopatraxxx]

Get a grip will you. Is that how you were programmed to fear things?

you chose your side
i chose mine

thanks

[simplify]

They own more than towels you know. An en suite room is not going to be a cheap repair job is it?

And how is providing ID at a hotel an affront on freedom? they are not restricting what you can and cant do. If you paid by card then you would give ID anyway.

Providing ID is does not remove freedom. Restricting peoples lives removes freedom.

But I could still provide false ID, & pay in cash.....& then thrash the room. So how is my false ID going to protect the hotel owner?

[hagbard_celine]

But I could still provide false ID, & pay in cash.....& then thrash the room. So how is my false ID going to protect the hotel owner?

Yes, I could fake my ID from one of these many computer disks that bungling govt officials keep dropping behind radiators or leaving on trains!:D:D

[simplify]

This is about a hotel asking for ID not some NWO plan.

It seems to me that too many people fear change and are afraid for the future.

Marpat: I ask you this question.....has the changes that have been implemented so far, made our world a nicer, happier, more peaceful, safer place to live. If you believe these changes are a good thing & they are working, then why do thpb keep bringing in more and more "changes" which only serve to complicate our lives, & add more stress? How can these things be good. Can you not see that as time goes by, we are becoming more and more imprisioned.

[hagbard_celine]

Marpat: I ask you this question.....has the changes that have been implemented so far, made our world a nicer, happier, more peaceful, safer place to live. If you believe these changes are a good thing & they are working, then why do thpb keep bringing in more and more "changes" which only serve to complicate our lives, & add more stress? How can these things be good. Can you not see that as time goes by, we are becoming more and more imprisioned.


Yes, very good question.:cool: When will all these "changes" end, eh? When will we have achived optimum "security" and accountability for criminal acts?:confused:;)

[ustane]

Why the hell do they need to see photo ID just to book a hotel room!?:eek::confused::rolleyes: I bet if you'd asked the manager he wouldn't have been able to tell you. He'd have just said "It's the management policy" or something along the "just doing my job" cop-out line.:rolleyes:

SURE! He WOULD!

[simplify]

Yes, very good question.:cool: When will all these "changes" end, eh? When will we have achived optimum "security" and accountability for criminal acts?:confused:;)

hagbard....the end will come when everyone is finally chipped:eek: The game plan is so obvious now, that I cannot understand how any intelligent thinking person cannot see the bigger picture.

I would rather die than be chipped. When human beings become chipped, we literally have handed our soul over to thpb. This is the final insult to humans & our divine creator.

[ustane]

Absolutely!:cool: It's getting young people accutomed to the Identity Check Culture so when they grow up it will be second nature and they will not resist the ID cards, chips etc.

Certainly. Young people being asked in a shop for ID to buy alcohol etc habitually came to laugh and banter with one another about it

[hagbard_celine]

hagbard....the end will come when everyone is finally chipped:eek: The game plan is so obvious now, that I cannot understand how any intelligent thinking person cannot see the bigger picture.

I would rather die than be chipped. When human beings become chipped, we literally have handed our soul over to thpb. This is the final insult to humans & our divine creator.


Me too:cool:. To be chipped is to be dead:eek:. A robot is not alive.

[hagbard_celine]

Certainly. Young people being asked in a shop for ID to buy alcohol etc habitually came to laugh and banter with one another about it


Yes, the Tavistock psycho-manipulators are bound to find some way of making it making "cool" to be ID-checked.

[ustane]

Yep.

I'm also coming across a few 30 - 40 year olds getting ID'd for alcohol in various stores, and having to go home for their ID. They've been buying drink for 20 yrs without a problem.
as part of the 'think 30' campaign (if the customer looks under 30 then ask for ID), I have heard shop assistants who inadvertently sell alcohol to underage customers get a £2000 fine/dismissal. So of course they have little choice really but to play along with it.

We are being processed as we speak.

I had a brief spell working in a shop. With the threat all the time of being hefty penalised hanging above your head should you sell inadvertently to someone underage, it's like walking on egg shells, I onced ID'd someone who was much older out of nerves and felt so embarrassed when I got ridiculed

[dreamweaver]

Me too:cool:. To be chipped is to be dead:eek:. A robot is not alive.

Proudhon foresaw all this way back in the 19th century:

"To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place[d] under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality."

[marpat]

But I could still provide false ID, & pay in cash.....& then thrash the room. So how is my false ID going to protect the hotel owner?

Yes you could do that but how many people carry fake ID in case they want to steal some hotel towels? most people carry valid ID.

I really cant see why this is such a big issue.

[zyphus]

I think the sensationalism on this thread is far more scary than being asked to provide photo I.D.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but haven't we been asked to produce I.D. for a number of different things for a number of years? If a stranger came round your house and wanted to borrow something, wouldn't you at least want to know who that person was? Does that make you a NWO stooge who is hell bent on enslaving the human race? Thought not.

And yes, I'm well aware of the chip. And no, I won't be getting one either.

[cleopatraxxx]

I think the sensationalism on this thread is far more scary than being asked to provide photo I.D.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but haven't we been asked to produce I.D. for a number of different things for a number of years? If a stranger came round your house and wanted to borrow something, wouldn't you at least want to know who that person was? Does that make you a NWO stooge who is hell bent on enslaving the human race? Thought not.

And yes, I'm well aware of the chip. And no, I won't be getting one either.

hello zyphus,
i almost get waht you are pointing at, but a stranger IN THE HOUSE is not the same as a customer(s) in a shop(s). for buying a magaziine? if they would have picked a pornographic one i understand the tillman would want to be sure the person buying is not underage, just like with tobacco.

[zyphus]

hello zyphus,
i almost get waht you are pointing at, but a stranger IN THE HOUSE is not the same as a customer(s) in a shop(s). for buying a magaziine? if they would have picked a pornographic one i understand the tillman would want to be sure the person buying is not underage, just like with tobacco.

Well I think the original post was about someone being asked for I.D. in a B&B, so maybe it was a slightly loose metaphor. I was just pointing out that the person in question would have been renting equipment, and so it is fairly natural that the one doing the hiring may want to take a note of the persons I.D.

It's just people are posting on the thread and blowing it massively out of proportion.

Maybe there is an age limit with certain computer magazines, simply due to the outrageous violence in some of the games, and the graphic descriptions that could be contained therein. I admit, it's OTT, but absolutely no where near the scale of some of the responses on here.

It seems there is a lot of collective fear mongering going on, and to point the finger at the grass roots level, and label Mr. Joe Average a NWO stooge is going to do no good what so ever.

Who needs the 'Illuminati' to create divisions within society? We're doing a fine job right here.

[adzboarder]

Meh.

I have said it before and I will say it again - don't use these fucking places, turn around and walk away and then tell 10 people about it, who tell 10 people, who tell 10 people and so on until we all know that companies of this ilk are ruthless identity-stealing facist scumbags embarking on a mission to condition us and to force us to accept and allow the powers that be to have full microchip control over everywhere we go, what we say, what we eat and to track every single transaction and communication we ever make as if we were slaves being driven in a rigid and managed system of serfdom for perpetuity.

They only have power if we give it to them and I for one (and there are many like me) have opted out.

[marpat]

hello zyphus,
i almost get waht you are pointing at, but a stranger IN THE HOUSE is not the same as a customer(s) in a shop(s). for buying a magaziine? if they would have picked a pornographic one i understand the tillman would want to be sure the person buying is not underage, just like with tobacco.

Some of those gaming mags do contain scenes of violence. Pehrpas that is why they have an ID check.

When you are in the hotel you are the stranger in somebody else property and it is their right as owner to ask for ID.

[marpat]

Meh.

I have said it before and I will say it again - don't use these fucking places, turn around and walk away and then tell 10 people about it, who tell 10 people, who tell 10 people and so on until we all know that companies of this ilk are ruthless identity-stealing facist scumbags embarking on a mission to condition us and to force us to accept and allow the powers that be to have full microchip control over everywhere we go, what we say, what we eat and to track every single transaction and communication we ever make as if we were slaves being driven in a rigid and managed system of serfdom for perpetuity.

They only have power if we give it to them and I for one (and there are many like me) have opted out.

I think you are well over the top. Can you tell me how a microchip can control the human brain and perhaps how it would be linked in.

Could be interesting that. Person gets chipped then walks too close to a magnetic field. They might start funking out.

If such things are going to be forced on people then do you really think you will be allowed to opt out? I think the whole chipping thing is bollocks for many reasons but then I am not conditioned by fear of them.

[disconnex]

If such things are going to be forced on people then do you really think you will be allowed to opt out? I think the whole chipping thing is bollocks for many reasons but then I am not conditioned by fear of them.

It's not about the brain, it's about restricting and monitoring your daily activitiy's, which should be free and fanciful as long as you don't interfere with others. It's a start of population control that could lead to concentration camps. One wrong move and if you're chipped, could lead to you being labled an enemy combatant. This would put you in a world of poo as you could have all your rights stripped and if they have electronic control over your activities, they can stop you in your tracks.

ID checking seems simple and basic, but it's a nullification process of human freedom.

[h2pogo]

i was asked for id at a hotel once, i asked why, they eventuslly said it was because we might trash the room, so i said ok i will leave a cash deposit they said that was no good ,company policy, id or no room. my girl freind then offerd her credit card which they would of accepted if we hadnt pointed out that if the hotel didnt trust us why should we trust them with her credit card.
we told them to stop acting like fascists and shove their room.
we were happy to find a much better hotel down the road.
never encounterd this before this thread is the second time.
my advice is boycot hotels that ask for id.

[krakhead]

Providing ID is does not remove freedom. Restricting peoples lives removes freedom.

Not being able to get a hotel room without photo ID is restricting and therefore removes freedom doesn't it?

I know lots of people who currently have no photo ID, actually I only have my passport and my work ID - neither of which I would take with me to stay in hotel in the UK.

"zeigen sie mir ihre papiere" anyone? ;)

[marpat]

Not being able to get a hotel room without photo ID is restricting and therefore removes freedom doesn't it?

I know lots of people who currently have no photo ID, actually I only have my passport and my work ID - neither of which I would take with me to stay in hotel in the UK.

"zeigen sie mir ihre papiere" anyone? ;)


It is restrctive but you have to admit that when you go to a hotel you enter private property. If they want people to have an ID then that is their right.

I have heard of soldiers being turned away from places for showing a military ID which seems a much greater abuse of power.

[krakhead]

It is restrctive but you have to admit that when you go to a hotel you enter private property. If they want people to have an ID then that is their right.

I have heard of soldiers being turned away from places for showing a military ID which seems a much greater abuse of power.

I admit, it is entering private property. You also have to admit that, by your own admission, requesting ID is restrictive, therefore it removes freedom - yes? I was right - see? :D

As for soldiers - fuck 'em - they can go camping and live off berries and squirrels can't they? ;)

Actually, those stories were (to me) presented in a way as to encourage the proles to get outraged at the treatment of 'our boys' and to adhere further to the pro-army mind-set that appears to be being propagated by the MSM.

But all that aside - surely you see the return of ID being required for people to go about their most mundane activities as a backwards step for personal freedom?

Even Winston Churchill was against the idea!!

[14april2000]

I remember that when you come to a french hotell they ask to see your passport, it might only be for people there don`t live in french it was back in the 1980th. They did the same america befor 11 september 2001 they ask for my passport i said no and they said ok but they said it was to prevent Identity theft.

[adzboarder]

I think you are well over the top. Can you tell me how a microchip can control the human brain and perhaps how it would be linked in.

Could be interesting that. Person gets chipped then walks too close to a magnetic field. They might start funking out.

If such things are going to be forced on people then do you really think you will be allowed to opt out? I think the whole chipping thing is bollocks for many reasons but then I am not conditioned by fear of them.

I would do, but I cant be bothered, clearly you know everything so anything I or anyone else says is irrelevant anyway.

[drhemp]

Normally they only ask for ID in a hotel if you are a foreigner.