All lifetimes are simultaneous.

[the moral man]

Science Discovers
Some Flaky Spiritual Stuff

by Reginald Martin

I saw this article one day and was amazed! I received scientific confirmations in some areas of my spiritual studies. I had been reading the book “Seth Speaks, the eternal validity of the soul” by Jane Roberts. Jane Roberts channeled a non-physical being called Seth. She did this and wrote a book back in the 1970’s. You may or may not believe in channeled information but when science confirms something that was said by the channel you at least have to question your skepticism, don’t you? Maybe, maybe not.

You can read the article in entirety if you wish. The link has been included. However, to sum up what is most important from my perspective is this: Matter actually phases in and out of our space time continuum. Or as they put it:

“Matter is built on flaky foundations. Physicists have now confirmed that the apparently substantial stuff is actually no more than fluctuations in the quantum vacuum.”

The “flaky” part seems to mean they have no concrete explanation for what is happening. If you want to know before science figures it out then read Seth Speaks and tap into an incredible wealth of information and knowledge. The specific session that this article covers is on page 233, session 567.

Science still does not have all of it right. There is no vacuum, the fluctuations are dimensional. Science instruments can not measure the smallest units of energy that Seth speaks about, the EE units. What I thought was important about the article was that Seth did say that matter phases in and out of this dimension. This phasing in and out of matter within dimensions is a major tenet of what Seth and others have linked to the true nature of time and of our total existence within space and time. Many of the great teachers have talked about us being eternal beings not bound by space and time. Time is simply a construct of humanity. Because of how our brains are wired we view time in a linear form. We are unable to objectively view the phases of matter. However we can subjectively view a part of us that is affected by the phasing in and out of matter, and that is past and future lives. There are many belief systems that believe in reincarnation. However, I have come to believe that how we think of reincarnation is a myth. Seth says that the phasing in and out is essentially simultaneous. The phases occur, for us individually and in mass, in our systems of probability. Because of the phasing, probabilities are able to exist and they are all occurring simultaneously. The simultaneous occurrences and probabilities are not only for our present incarnation but also in our past and future. That means even our past and future incarnations have many probabilities. But, they all exist right now! All of our lives past, present and future exist in the NOW! Therefore we will not die and reincarnate into a future as we would think in a linear fashion. Because matter is not truly bound by time, the phasing allows for simultaneous existence of all of our incarnations and the probabilities of each incarnation. Science has postulated the existence of probabilities. Science already knows that you can not pinpoint the exact spot of an atom at anytime because they exist within a wave function of probabilities. In Seth speaks On page 234 it says that “science can only explore the characteristics of an atom as it acts or shows within your system. Its greater reality completely escapes them.” At this point science knows that atoms exist in a “cloud” of probabilities, but they can not understand the true nature. With this discovery they understand the true nature of an atom a little more but still do not have it all right — but they are getting close.

With respect to reincarnation we must now remove ourselves from linear thinking. All of our being, past, present and future exist right now. All of our being has effects on all parts. The past can have an effect on the present and the future and the future can have an effect on the past and the present. This means that there is really no such thing a Karma. If the past exist now, how can you pay for a past transgression? Anything that we term past or future is simply an alternate present. Karma and reincarnation is a construct of linear time, one year after another and one lifetime after another. Again, if all existence is in the present then there is no reincarnation and no karma that anyone is paying for. The most powerful concept that we must understand is that OUR POWER IS IN THE PRESENT. In the NOW we can have an effect on our past that can change our present and our future. (Wow our language does limit how this concept can be explained) We do not have to pay for the past, it is happening now. Our future is not written out before us, we simply have to decide which probability that we want to chose and we will live that future in an ever expanding series of now! How liberating!

This confirmation of Seth by physicists, and many other confirmations over the years by science since Seth Speaks was first written, gives me the confidence to take much more of what I read from Seth on faith. It opens my mind to the endless possibilities of my being. Think about this: many teachers has spoken about other dimensions of reality, reincarnation, civilizations on earth before ours, evolution and how science does not have it right. All these things are fantastic comments and flies in the face of what we know as objective reality. I believe I am much like many of you out there who feel much of what these teachers have to say; feel that it makes sense and feel that they can be right subjectively. However, if you are like me, the eternal skeptic, then you may still have some objective doubt, how ever great or slight that doubt may be it is still there. There is still no objective proof so that you can go to someone else and say, this is real. Because science has validated something that Seth says then it automatically lends credibility to other things he has stated. It also lends credibility to the other channels that have spoken on many subjects related to what Seth has said. I realize that much of what he speaks about will NEVER be “discovered” or documented by science as we know it today. However, a “tip of the iceberg” discovery like this is a very exciting time for this spiritual traveler.

1. http://wisp.focusphere.net/wisp/08/s...piritual-stuff

[xpleet]

it is true, everything is happening at the same time. But on the other hand it isn't because the creation of the enforcing illusion of time artificially hacks events into segments.


What all those channelers and scientists will never touch or talk about is the "why" and that the architect designed the Universe in a way that it is observable and controllable from outside-in.

The sole purpose of the creation of magnetism for example is for the forced movement of energy. I believe it was the first, major step towards removing free-will of consciousness. Now all energy trapped inside the matrix can no longer express freely and is encased and dominated by magnetism.
Magnetism allows for programming on all levels. The electromagnetic field of the Earth is designed to lower the awareness of the prisoners withinin biological prisons. Then presumably the denser forms of matter (prisons) were created such as atoms etc.


If one consideres that there is a huge conspiracy about reality and that reincarnation is in fact a most utterly crime to every living spirit, then we come closer to the why.

[oceano]

Thanx for that but link doesn't seem to work :confused: I'm still trying to wrap my head around this multiple streams of existence concept. The question I have is WHY are we knot conscious of all these other time lines we apparently exist in, simultaneously. How come I can't communicate with the version of me that existed "10 years" ago.

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I'd like to respond to the following people.
Xpleet.........

it is true, everything is happening at the same time. But on the other hand it isn't because the creation of the enforcing illusion of time artificially hacks events into segments.

I don't understand this statement.

What all those channelers and scientists will never touch or talk about is the "why" and that the architect designed the Universe in a way that it is observable and controllable from outside-in.

Sal Rachele has done a good job of describing parallel lifetimes and simultaneous existance.
1. http://www.salrachele.com/webarticles/pastparallelandsimultaneouslifetimes.htm

The sole purpose of the creation of magnetism for example is for the forced movement of energy. I believe it was the first, major step towards removing free-will of consciousness. Now all energy trapped inside the matrix can no longer express freely and is encased and dominated by magnetism.
Magnetism allows for programming on all levels. The electromagnetic field of the Earth is designed to lower the awareness of the prisoners withinin biological prisons. Then presumably the denser forms of matter (prisons) were created such as atoms etc.

If one consideres that there is a huge conspiracy about reality and that reincarnation is in fact a most utterly crime to every living spirit, then we come closer to the why.

So you believe what Icke said in his great book Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is Illusion?
The Author of the Matrix V trilogy says that the Higher Self incarnates in simultaneously in every era (past, present and future) to gain experiences.
Wouldn't this be a more accurate terminology?
oceano............

Thanx for that but link doesn't seem to work

It works for me, try again.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this multiple streams of existence concept. The question I have is WHY are we knot conscious of all these other time lines we apparently exist in, simultaneously. How come I can't communicate with the version of me that existed "10 years" ago.

Well look at it like this.
Our Spirit (Higher Self) exists in past, present and future.
Even though we are not conscious of this fact, doesn't mean that this isn't happening.
Maybe in 2012 this awareness will become apparent to us because of the Ascension that is scheduled to happen at that time.
yours thankfully
John

[xpleet]

The Author of the Matrix V trilogy says that the Higher Self incarnates in simultaneously in every era (past, present and future) to gain experiences.
Wouldn't this be a more accurate terminology?

That's not a secret. This is a more common esoteric belief.

There is no gain for anyone in this reality, all are prisoners, and their energies get extracted through movement, emotion, suffering etc.
Suffering weakens one's willpower over time and if a true-being decides to give oneself up, then it's most inner shield is lifted and the controllers can access and break the core of that being, which is akin to an ultimate energy feast. There is no learning or gain whatsoever for anyone through this reality.

You can frequently read from astral travelers and such that people in the astral are told that reincarnation is for their highest good.

[the moral man]

Dear xpleet
kind regards
In response to your comments.

That's not a secret. This is a more common esoteric belief.

The idea of simultaneous incarnations into the past, present and future isn't well known.
The idea of reincarnation in linear time is the widely known view.

There is no gain for anyone in this reality, all are prisoners, and their energies get extracted through movement, emotion, suffering etc.
Suffering weakens one's willpower over time and if a true-being decides to give oneself up, then it's most inner shield is lifted and the controllers can access and break the core of that being, which is akin to an ultimate energy feast. There is no learning or gain whatsoever for anyone through this reality.

What about the Ascension in 2012?
How about the idea of changing the past for the better through retro-causality?
Even Icke says that the past can be changed.

You can frequently read from astral travelers and such that people in the astral are told that reincarnation is for their highest good.

How do you know this?
By experience or because you read it in Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion?
The fact is that we ARE here and can only make the best of what we have.
First you say that you believe in simultaneous incarnations and then say that astral beings manipulate consciousness to reincarnate.
Which story do you stand by?
If you could answer my questions A.S.A.P I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

[noobcybot]

First you say that you believe in simultaneous incarnations and then say that astral beings manipulate consciousness to reincarnate.
Which story do you stand by?


I would say that it is very possible for both of those things to occour. The prime rule that most of this type of theory works on is that energy ( in our terms lets say the infinite consciousness ) can only be altered and cant be destroyed. So if our incarnations are each the result of compartmentalising and trapping pure conscious energy it would make sense in that to actually trap and confuse our higher selves that the matrix relies on a large number of simultanious incarnations to divert the attention of the higher self, so to speak. I mean, one incarnation at a time probably wouldant be enough to contain our higher selfs potential. Great thread.
When tripping out on salvia these concepts seemed to be the most important communicated, all past present and future occour in the same time and and space, as in our incarnate souls occupy a sort of sliding scale, imagine running down the keys on a piano, every key already existed but they are only activated when the player reaches it. Also this reality that we occupy is highly controlled on the etheric level,as in the level of control of the agenda on earth is nothing compared to the prison warder consciosness.
I feel somewhat frustrated as I am at a loss as to where to find information more than this. This sort of concept seems to be where my spiritual learning in this area ended and I cant think past it.

[xpleet]

Dear xpleet
kind regards
In response to your comments.



The idea of simultaneous incarnations into the past, present and future isn't well known.
The idea of reincarnation in linear time is the widely known view.



What about the Ascension in 2012?
How about the idea of changing the past for the better through retro-causality?
Even Icke says that the past can be changed.



The past doesn't matter for we are here now. The past has happened. Even if you wanted to travel back you wouldn't be in the real past because you would only find yourself in another illusion (simulated environment) within the time complex.

The ascension doesn't exist, it's a lie brought to this planet that effectively covers up the real process which is the destruction of the virtual reality including all the sub realities.
Ascension is not the case, but evacuation and that will not include those who are or over time have become part of the illusion (evil).



How do you know this?
By experience or because you read it in Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion?
The fact is that we ARE here and can only make the best of what we have.
First you say that you believe in simultaneous incarnations and then say that astral beings manipulate consciousness to reincarnate.
Which story do you stand by?
If you could answer my questions A.S.A.P I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

The past doesn't matter for we are here now. The past has happened. Even if you wanted to travel back you wouldn't be in the real past and you would only find yourself in another illusion (simulated environment) within the time complex.

First you say that you believe in simultaneous incarnations and then say that astral beings manipulate consciousness to reincarnate.

There is no story.

Maybe there is a misconception with you. You can not deny that things inside the illusion of time happen after another because they do. This is how the illusion works, it's a set-up, it's an artificial slowdown machine that only applies to the insiders. We are inside the illusion this means that things here happen segmented after another no matter what you want to believe, while if someone were to observe us from without where there is no constraints of that, he would see the events unfolding at the same time.
Imagine if you

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
Here is the Seth entity on the issue of Time.

WHAT IS THE NATURE OF TIME?

Time as you experience it is an illusion caused by your own physical senses. They force you to perceive action in certain terms, but this is not the nature of action.

The apparent boundaries between past, present and future are only illusions caused by the amount of action you can physically perceive, and so it seems to you that one moment exists and is gone forever, and the next moment comes and like the one before also disappears. Everything in the universe exists at one time simultaneously.

The first words ever spoken still ring through the universe, and in your terms, the last words ever spoken have already been said. The past, present and future only appear to those who exist within three-dimensional reality.

The past exists as a series of electromagnetic connections held in the physical brain and in the nonphysical mind. These electromagnetic connections can be changed.

The future consists of a series of electromagnetic connections in the mind and brain also. In other words, the past and present are real to the same extent.

You take it for granted that present action can change the future, but present actions can also change the past. The past is no more objective or independent from the perceiver than is the present. The electromagnetic connections were largely made by the individual perceiver. The connection can be changed, and such changes are far from uncommon. These changes happen spontaneously on a subconscious basis.

The past is seldom what you remember it to be, for you have already rearranged it from the instant of any given event. The past is being constantly re-created by each individual as attitudes and associations change. This is an actual recreation, not a symbolic one. The child is indeed still within the man, but he is not the child that "was", for even the child within the man constantly changes.

Difficulties arise when such alterations do not occur automatically. Severe neurosis is often caused precisely because an individual has not changed his past.

A change of attitude, a new association, or any of innumerable other actions will automatically set up new electromagnetic connections and break others.

Every action changes every other action. Therefore, every action in your present affects actions you call past. It is possible to react in the past to an event that has not occurred, and to be influenced by your own future. It is also possible for an individual to react in the past to an event in the future, which in your terms, may never occur.

Because past, present and future exist simultaneously, there is no reason why you cannot react to an event whether or not it happens to fall within the small field of reality in which you usually observe and participate.

On a subconscious level, you react to many events that have not yet occurred as far as your ego's awareness is concerned. Such reactions are carefully screened out and not admitted to consciousness. The ego finds such instances distracting and annoying, and when forced to admit their validity, will resort to the most far fetched rationalizations to explain them.

No event is predestined. Any given event can be changed not only before and during but after its occurrence.

The individual is hardly at the mercy of past events, for he changes them constantly. He is hardly at the mercy of future events, for he changes these not only before but after their happening. An individuals future actions are not dependent upon a concrete finished past, for such a past never existed. The past is as real as the future, no more or less.

There is a part of you that is not locked within physical reality, and that part of you knows that there is only an Eternal Now. The part of you that knows is the whole self, your inner and outer ego (all that you are).

From within this framework you will see that see that physical time is as dreamlike as you once thought inner time was. You will discover your whole self, peeping inward and outward at the same "time", and find that all time is one time, and all divisions, illusions.

1. http://www.spiritual-endeavors.org/seth/Andy4.htm
The Seth entity (through his channellings with Jane Roberts) popularised the notion of simultaneous incarnations.
yours thankfully
John