Mad conspiracy theorists

[baron von lotsov]

I have been on this forum for a while now and also on the Illusions forum after 'The forum' was taken down. So that is three conspiracy forums and I have learnt something of how the system is dealing with conspiracy knowledge.

You may have noticed copious amounts of claims by the general public as a result of their brainwashing to suggest that conspiracy theorists are mad. You conspiracy theorists respond in a way that suggests these people are unawake, asleep, brainwashed, uninformed and so on. Now I also participate in other forums such as the Channel 4 News forum and debate the same stuff with these people and the results of looking at both sides shows something quite revealing.

Now if I were to ask myself the questions which side were the more informed I'd have to say it is about 50-50 to be very rough in my estimates and of course it depends on the groups/forums etc that you compare. However I see an alarming trend in that the conspiracy theorist camp is being more heavily attacked with brainwashers now and it is they who need to be woken up. Surely the system has to do this in order to create validity to the commonly induced perception that conspiracy theorists are mad.

I cite two examples for you to chew on that have inspired this thread.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4655


http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=3302&sid=a38a1d75963846878b4f30da837a1d90

Now the second link here is by someone I know quite well. He used to be a Jehovah's Witness but pulled out eventually. What the problem is that even after years after being in a cult the mind still seeks that warm fluffy world of illusion and make believe.

Here are a couple of random conspiracy subject threads by so-called sheep.

7/7

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/2800036618

BAe

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/3740059618

[da renn]

I have been on this forum for a while now and also on the Illusions forum after 'The forum' was taken down. So that is three conspiracy forums and I have learnt something of how the system is dealing with conspiracy knowledge.

You may have noticed copious amounts of claims by the general public as a result of their brainwashing to suggest that conspiracy theorists are mad. You conspiracy theorists respond in a way that suggests these people are unawake, asleep, brainwashed, uninformed and so on. Now I also participate in other forums such as the Channel 4 News forum and debate the same stuff with these people and the results of looking at both sides shows something quite revealing.

Now if I were to ask myself the questions which side were the more informed I'd have to say it is about 50-50 to be very rough in my estimates and of course it depends on the groups/forums etc that you compare. However I see an alarming trend in that the conspiracy theorist camp is being more heavily attacked with brainwashers now and it is they who need to be woken up. Surely the system has to do this in order to create validity to the commonly induced perception that conspiracy theorists are mad.

I cite two examples for you to chew on that have inspired this thread.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4655


http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=3302&sid=a38a1d75963846878b4f30da837a1d90

Now the second link here is by someone I know quite well. He used to be a Jehovah's Witness but pulled out eventually. What the problem is that even after years of being in a cult the mind still seeks that warm fluffy world of illusion and make believe.

Here are a couple of random conspiracy subject threads by so-called sheep.

7/7

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/2800036618

BAe

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/3740059618

I'm of the opinion that, in all of you're time inhabiting these Forums, you've ACTUALLY learnt FUCK ALL, Baron! For you- as intelligent as you are- are a naive and BRAINWASHED- Jesus/Biblehead, and, as such, always look forth onto the world via such profoundly limited DEPENDANCY.

[baron von lotsov]

Touched a raw nerve have we? An awkward truth that you just can't acknowledge. I have put forward my reasons and you respond with insults.

[john white]

Baron's ongoing frustration that everyone else is not exactly like him finds yet another way to manifest itself...

Hypnosis = EVIL!. nothing must undermine my logical mind! Most especially my supressed illogical subconscious! Bah: don't trust women! They don't think "correctly"

[da renn]

Touched a raw nerve have we? An awkward truth that you just can't acknowledge. I have put forward my reasons and you respond with insults.
None such, Baron! You WOULD perceive it that way, as an insult/attack!
'tis merely observational.

[adramelech]

I'm not sure what your point is here, Baron. If someone is aware and informed of events, able to analyze information in an unbiased way, by definition that would mean they are not "sheep". You don't have to spend your days waste deep in research or identify yourself as a conspiracy theorist to not be a "sheep". From what I've seen of your links, that Channel Four forum contains more agents and civilian imitators using ridicule tactics and Delphi Disinformation techniques than any "conspiracy" forum I've ever been to.

"Mad" and "brain washed" are not terms that should be used lightly, especially if your litmus test for them is someone who reads an author you don't like or practices something you don't believe in. Being uninformed is not being "mad".

[space monkey]

Here are a couple of random conspiracy subject threads by so-called sheep.

7/7

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/2800036618

BAe

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/3740059618

Those look like they were scripted by the same people who feed lines to "contestants" of C4's Big Brother series.

[baron von lotsov]

I'm not sure what your point is here, Baron. If someone is aware and informed of events, able to analyze information in an unbiased way, by definition that would mean they are not "sheep". You don't have to spend your days waste deep in research or identify yourself as a conspiracy theorist to not be a "sheep". From what I've seen of your links, that Channel Four forum contains more agents and civilian imitators using ridicule tactics and Delphi Disinformation techniques than any "conspiracy" forum I've ever been to.

"Mad" and "brain washed" are not terms that should be used lightly, especially if your litmus test for them is someone who reads an author you don't like or practices something you don't believe in. Being uninformed is not being "mad".

Yes there are agents on Channel 4 as well. However it is not the only forum crawling with them. what you don't appear to see is that the techniques are different with different groups. Pride blinds people, that is my main point on here.

[december]

Mad conspiracy theorists

If I were the Illuminati guy I'd be happy to see people discuss MAD conspiracy theories - the madder the better - is the Illuminati rule, so the rest of the people will call conspiracy theorists "crazy nutters", and this is exactly what's happening.

So, you some one wants people to laugh at the conspiracy theorists than go ahead and open as many UFO threads as you can.
This would be just perfect for the Illuminati, this is what they want.

[adramelech]

what you don't appear to see is that the techniques are different with different groups. Pride blinds people, that is my main point on here.

I do agree with that. Different forums and ideologies require different levels of control.

If I were the Illuminati guy I'd be happy to see people discuss MAD conspiracy theories - the madder the better - is the Illuminati rule, so the rest of the people will call conspiracy theorists "crazy nutters", and this is exactly what's happening.

So, you some one wants people to laugh at the conspiracy theorists than go ahead and open as many UFO threads as you can.
This would be just perfect for the Illuminati, this is what they want.


But the only reason you see UFOs as "mad" is because of the manipulation applied to the subject by the very same people. There is nothing "mad" about investigating largely unidentified objects in the sky that people have been seeing for thousands of years. It only becomes mad when mainstream media programming takes over and the stories of "little green men" from agents and plants are imbued into the public mind.

[baron von lotsov]

So, you some one wants people to laugh at the conspiracy theorists than go ahead and open as many UFO threads as you can.
This would be just perfect for the Illuminati, this is what they want.[/b]

Not only that but excessive slagging off of leaders like Bush and Blair is another trap.


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The Government has established a shadowy new national anti-terrorist unit to protect VIPs, with the power to detain suspects indefinitely using mental health laws.

The revelation is set to reignite the row over the Government's use of draconian measures to deal with terror suspects amid accusations they are abusing human rights.

The Fixated Threat Assessment Centre (FTAC) was quietly set up last year to identify individuals who pose a direct threat to VIPs including the Prime Minister, the Cabinet and the Royal Family.

It was given sweeping powers to check more than 10,000 suspects' files to identify mentally unstable potential killers and stalkers with a fixation against public figures.

The team's psychiatrists and psychologists then have the power to order treatment - including forcibly detaining suspects in secure psychiatric units.

Using these powers, the unit can legally detain people for an indefinite period without trial, criminal charges or even evidence of a crime being committed and with very limited rights of appeal.

Until now it has been the exclusive decision of doctors and mental health professionals to determine if someone should be forcibly detained.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457934&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

CT people are included in the definition with this one somewhere.

[adramelech]

Not only that but excessive slagging off of leaders like Bush and Blair is another trap.

I can't speak for the UK and Blair, but in the US "Bush bashing" is practically an American pastime. It's encouraged and popularized by the mainstream media. Not only does this play a role in the larger picture of new "terrorism" laws as you outlined, it also just lends credence to the game of politics by identifying policies and actions with the powerless figurehead.

[december]

Not only that but excessive slagging off of leaders like Bush and Blair is another trap.

Precisely!

Many people view the conspiracy researchers as nutters and their followers as goofballs who are capable of nothing but posting silly pictures of George Bush and call him stupid.

I am not saying that Bush is academic, but it looks to me that the conspiracy theorists (most of them at least) are true monkeys who enjoy being clowns.
If someone thinks that this is not true, than I suggest to look at the G8 meeting protesters:

http://img.rian.ru/images/6689/44/66894402.jpg

http://img.rian.ru/images/6689/64/66896409.jpg

[baron von lotsov]

As supported by all the normal Illumi outfits. Globalise Resistance (AKA Socialist Workers Party), Black Anarchists, Greenpiece, Friends of the Earth, CND, Amnesty International...

[them]

..claims by the general public as a result of their brainwashing to suggest that conspiracy theorists are mad.

I agree, right from the start you're going to be struggling uphill when attempting to present the particulars of anything defined as a conspiracy theory to an uninitiate.

Conspiracy theory.. It's just a theory.

Years ago I attempted to verbally give evidence, I knew to be true, concerning the French & British conspiracy to command & then sponsor Israel in an attack into Egypt. The plan was for Israel to invade Egypt, its neighbour, allowing Britain and France to issue an ultimatum to each side to stop fighting or they would intervene to "save" the Suez canal.

I had to produce cast iron evidence to persuade my uninitiate. You gotta be able to back your shit up to stay on top of the mountain.

[baron von lotsov]

That's why I always provide references, names and so on. Massive amounts of detail tends to obscure the message and if you look at how a barrister works they don't spiel out masses of minute detail they build a picture. If people then argue with these cast iron facts you know something is up.

[Anders Lindman]

Conspiracy theory.. It's just a theory.


To counter the use of the term 'conspiracy theory', let's instead start using the term conspiracy investigation.

[rossus]

To counter the use of the term 'conspiracy theory', let's instead start using the term conspiracy investigation.
for me, nothing beats using the term "the truth" :)

[Anders Lindman]

for me, nothing beats using the term "the truth" :)

But people can argue about the truth. Nobody can argue with conspiracy investigation.

[baron von lotsov]

Sometimes even the press talk about the truth. Check this for a so-called mad conspiracy theory. I was most impressed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/baefiles/page/0,,2095840,00.html

[Anders Lindman]

Another thing with conspiracy investigation is that it can be both private and legal/official or whatever it's called. For example, a private conspiracy investigation can be converted/lead to a legal conspiracy investigation.

[baron von lotsov]

What with the Daily Mail on the prostitutes and bribes with BP the other week and now BAe it looks more and more like all roads lead to London, as I have been saying for ages. People have been barking furiously up the wrong trees for years and naturally the press have not believed a word of it. This all changes when you start saying stuff that ends up in the papers sometime later. Red herrings are a favourite trick of the conspirators.

[space monkey]

I can't speak for the UK and Blair, but in the US "Bush bashing" is practically an American pastime.

Speaking as a Brit, here's a rough sketch:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bremner+bird+fortune+tony+bla ir&search=Search

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=st_albion&

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b/203-2282273-4655120?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=+private+eye+parish

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[the festival spirit]

there are conspiracy theorists but only because they have not yet found the irrefutable proof tehy are looking for, once they do, they become conspiracy factists! :p