Who thinks this "apocalypse" stuff is garbage?

[michael christopher]

I'm sorry, but I'm no longer buying it. The world is not about to end, and neither is America for that matter. When I first got into this stuff, I was extremely excited and extremely faithful - it was like a whole new world opened up to me. While certain bits of the endless amounts of esoteric information still appeal to me, there is one thing that simply seems like bullshit at this point. I have sat through failed prediction after failed prediction, failed prophecy after failed prophecy. For how long has the world been about to end? For how long has our country been about to end? Forever, it seems like. Before there was Alex Jones, there was someone else, and before him someone else. I'm starting to think these apocalypse-shriekers won't stop shrieking because they have too much invested in the end of the world. It would benefit no one to end the current control scheme and the various propaganda that is being put out to make it seem like it's about to come to a halt seems only to exist in order to inflame conspiracy theorists and make them look like nuts.

All I'm saying is, I have sat through date after date, deadline after deadline, only to have NOTHING happen EVER. There is always some excuse, when something doesn't happen on one date there is another date to look forward to... is it possible that this is all a bunch of negative projection from people who live insanely paranoid lives? I'm sure various endless streams of evidence will be cited as to how everything is about to change, but I'm also ALMOST just as sure that none of it will ever come to pass in any meaningful way. I think something is going to happen in 2012 but on a spiritual level, and not on the global scale that people are expecting. This is just my opinion of course, but all I'm saying is how many times should we allow ourselves to be fooled by the SAME crap coming from the SAME people? If we really want to be open-minded, we need to open our minds to the idea that the largest majority of "information" we receive is complete and utter garbage, designed to scare us into thinking we are "running out of time" (whatever that means) and into acting crazy, or even worse, making people think our basic message is crazy and ignoring it altogether.

[krakhead]

:D

[citroen999]

the world will end.. fact

then it will start again and end again and so on and so on..

[sade]

I say AYE!

[cleopatraxxx]

I'm sorry, but I'm no longer buying it. The world is not about to end, and neither is America for that matter.
my point of view of the "end", is not a physical end, but a huge change as to how the system of countries are organised/established. looks like the end they are talking about in the case of the U.S.A. is it's merging with Canada and Mexico. inthat respect would be it's "end".

When I first got into this stuff, I was extremely excited and extremely faithful - it was like a whole new world opened up to me. While certain bits of the endless amounts of esoteric information still appeal to me, there is one thing that simply seems like bullshit at this point. I have sat through failed prediction after failed prediction, failed prophecy after failed prophecy. For how long has the world been about to end?
are you talking about the supposedlt "channeled " info from supposed high dimensional beings?

I think you are very right here, seems like the answer: the various propaganda that is being put out to make it seem like it's about to come to a halt seems only to exist in order to inflame conspiracy theorists and make them look like nuts.

All I'm saying is, I have sat through date after date, deadline after deadline, only to have NOTHING happen EVER.
curiously enough, i had a different experience: from a source in portuguese, this woman who used to post stuff on a sopiritual website, she used to say she was a chanell and that soon tsunamis would happen, people are going to be harvested by parts, etc; huge earthquakes to soon hit the planet due to the approaching pole shift, apparently associated with the coming NIBIRU. anyway, this was through the year of 2004. the end of it came the tsunami. i was gobsmaked. coincidence? what does the heart tell ? what does logic induce? does logic osbcure the heart's called 6th sense? does the hearts desire of a better world confuse the logics? which way is it?

If we really want to be open-minded, we need to open our minds to the idea that the largest majority of "information" we receive is complete and utter garbage, designed to scare us into thinking we are "running out of time" (whatever that means) and into acting crazy, or even worse, making people think our basic message is crazy and ignoring it altogether.

They say that the vibrational frequency of this planet is changing as well is the perception of things by humans and other species with the activation of certain parts of the particularly human brain which will lead to more people having supposedly mind reading capabilities, e.i. more evolved extra sensory perceptions, levitation will be possible and cure of diseases is to occur as the body/ies change. It is said the human body lives on the same frequency as this planet. something called Schumann resonances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and that this frequency is changing, meaning that species are readapting and changing too. some are dying, not being able to bear the change.

THIS is of major interest (it is to me :-) )
Human Electrophysiological Signal
Responses to ELF Schumann
Resonance and Artificial
Electromagnetic Fields
In this paper we compare the experimental findings from human
electropysiological signal responses to environmental “geomagnetic” and
artificial extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic fields in order to
determine the transfer characteristic from acupuncture meridian analysis
and EEG studies. The fundamental Schumann resonance frequency is
claimed to be extremely benificial to existence of the biological cycle
phenomena of plants, animals and humans. However, the results from our
acupuncture meridian and EEG studies have shown that frequencies
between 8.8 and 13.2 Hz, which fall between peaks of the Schumann
resonance, mainly correlate with analysed human electrophysiological
signals, while one study proves a correlation between transfer function of
Schumann resonance and electro-acupunture meridian. The results from
our acupuncture meridians and EEG activity studies confirm that the
human body absorbs, detects and responds to ELF environmental EMF
signals. This is a classical physics phenomenon utilised in
telecommunication systems, which definitelly needs to be further
investigated for possible biological cell-to-cell communication phenomena.the link to this text you find at the end of the wikipedia article in the REFERENCES under number 1.)in PDF format and titled:"Human Electrophysiological Signal Responses to ELF Schumann Resonance and Artificial Electromagnetic Fields"

i dont think what we are fed from many sources is bullshit, one needs to investigate as far as one can, analyse, connect dots when possible start viewing it out of the box onto all of this. i mean from religion into science into hapenning events, etc. It is not n easy process. we have an entire life of experience. it is up to us what we do with it. do we watch absurdities in TV or do we choose what we want to see there, like scientific channels, even history, which is more often lies presented ot us, but they cannot make out of all the past a huge lie. it is up to us to talk to each other. looks for clues. but dont allow yourself to be swollen by negativity.
all processes are a learning experience. be they good or bad.

you say you had enough of waiting for this or that to happen. i was in the same situation. personally i believe that we just want a solution to all the madness to stop. but will it? if one sits and waits? NO.

keep on your search for answers. if you came so far as many of us have and still will have to go, then you are not alone. that ois why i like this and some other forums. i want to know. i want to make changes. i started with myself. i changed my approach too. i will be searching even when i leave this body. so will all of us.

[notthisshitagain]

I agree, I don't really think that the world will be physically destroyed, I think it will be a transformation at an spiritual level. And about that thing where Canada, the States and Mexico merge, I just think it's impossible...

Edit: Thanks for that link, Cleopatra, I'll read it.

[dlb2007]

The end of times is happening right now, the world is never going to be the same again after this economic downturn.

[notthisshitagain]

The end of times is happening right now, the world is never going to be the same again after this economic downturn.

I think it's gonna be specially difficult to those people that are way too "comfortable", for the lack of a better word.

[dlb2007]

we are all way too comfortable, I have never missed a meal in my life.

some wise words in these dark times

All a man needs is one good meal a day and a warm bed on a night time, everything else is a bonus!

[kappy0405]

literally, the word 'Apocalypse' does not mean 'end of the world' anyway.. It means the 'lifting of the veil' or that something will be revealed. It will be a 'spiritual awakening' as others have put it here..

The Mayan's did not predict the end of the world either. That doesn't mean something big isn't happening though. I believe the upcoming wars and financial collapse were intended to come around this time for a reason. Something is going to happen.. It would be foolish to expect the 'end of the world' though.. (literally anyway)

[notthisshitagain]

we are all way too comfortable, I have never missed a meal in my life.

some wise words in these dark times

All a man needs is one good meal a day and a warm bed on a night time, everything else is a bonus!

Very good post. +1

[briggs55]

The world won't end in 2012.. I don't even know if, I believe it will be a spiritual transformation either..

I don't buy into Religious dogma or new age lovey dovey b.s.!!

later

[dajlelion]

The fear of the end of the world has always been a billion dollar business full of snake oil salesmen. The people who are feeding us these ideas, are the ones making profit. I remember back in 1999 when everyone thought 2000 was going to be the end of the world. A few clocks got off track, but that was it. I think more than ever now we need discernment.

I'm almost certain when 2013 comes around and the human race is still here.. New agers will look to the lost Incan calendar that ends in 2064 and books will be written, and psychics will hear voices of how in 51 years the world's going to end once more. lol

[drael]

Its your typical chinese whisper situations with the new age side of things, the early theosophists etc completely misuderstood the symbology of the apolapyse vision, which is a natural part of every human beings mind, waiting to be discovered.

Some people hear this "deep talk" and assume its a physical, temporal phenonema, which in part it is, but in no obvious direct manner. At least the new agers know a symbol when they see one some of the time....some CTs wouldnt know a metaphorical deep mind symbol even though they are slapping them in the face all day long.

+1.

The world isnt, and wont end. (No fireballs, concentration camps, firey demons etc). See my sig!

And no economic failures dont count thats the world "starting", not "ending". In my veiw, the "valuable world" ended along time ago, with the ancient cultures, mystery teachings etc. What exists now, i would only loosely term "civilisation". For this phase, the true dark age of humanity to end, would allow an actual civilisation to emerge.

The end of "the world as we know it", anyways, would be a very positive thing for humanity long term.

And of course the mayans were very explicit as to what they really meant. There are five ages to humanity, 2012 will be the start of the fifth. A bit like astrological ages, and a million miles from new age "ascension". Even if you read early new age work, youll see promises are quite thin. (Law of one says "harvest" will be small). The escalation of the net, global media, book sales etc is pushing all mythology quickly beyond its scope into clear BS. (CT and new age).

This takes it beyond the scope, well beyond the scope of cults and early doomsdayers. Before hed sit with a sign on the street and few would listen. Now he sells millions of books and has internet forums.

Hey, u choose the eye of ra for your avatar. Are u inspiring, or enjoying the sight of the gods?

[simplify]

I agree, I don't really think that the world will be physically destroyed, I think it will be a transformation at an spiritual level. And about that thing where Canada, the States and Mexico merge, I just think it's impossible...

Edit: Thanks for that link, Cleopatra, I'll read it.

Why do you think this is impossible? Just curious.:)

[xpleet]

I'm sorry, but I'm no longer buying it. The world is not about to end, and neither is America for that matter. When I first got into this stuff, I was extremely excited and extremely faithful - it was like a whole new world opened up to me. I have sat through failed prediction after failed prediction, failed prophecy after failed prophecy.
All I'm saying is, I have sat through date after date, deadline after deadline, only to have NOTHING happen EVER.


This is what they want.

You're thinking exactly how they want you to think.

The internet is deliberately filled with thousands of false predictions and messiahs.

[ownedtbh]

This is what they want.

You're thinking exactly how they want you to think.

The internet is deliberately filled with thousands of false predictions and messiahs.

agree

[redman]

If I am sat there watching the Olympics in 2012 and fuck all happens, then it's going to be a major disappointment. But my guess is, and this only my opinion is that everyone who wants that change and have channelled themselves to the change will feel it. Thats why I am doing everything in my power to research and get really fucking clued up on the whole shabang for 2012.

You have to remember, one thing TPTB have no control over is 2012, I ain't even sure if they know what the fuck is going to happen. That's the beauty of it. So fuck it, I'm going all out.. going to go all out in the whole spiritual shit and I'm going to dig real deep with in myself, whilst writing tunes.... and for 2012 I'm going to be fucking totally ready to unleash what the fuck I have found .

The end of the world ain't happening, may be the end of a big percentage of the population, but believe me there will be some rich fuckers somewhere that will be living with no problems at all.


So don't worry yourself about endtimes, 2012, end of the world bollox. Listen, whatever happens the worst that can happen is ya going to die, big fucking deal. It's a natural thing that occurs, embrace that shit, all this negativity towards death is what drives people fucking nuts IMO.

[xpleet]

However there still remain some true ancient or new clairvoyant sights/forecasts that will come to pass in one way or another (they can vary by the misinterpretation through words).

[notthisshitagain]

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Why do you think this is impossible? Just curious.:)

Politically speaking I think it's impossible cause.. well, let's say the States merges (not sure if that's the correct word, lol) with Mexico. *IF* they did that, and IF they wanted to get rid of the drug cartels.. well to be honest I don't know how would they do that, corruption is really concentrated here, unless the Illuminati and the drug cartels are working for the same side.. I'm not really sure about this, but it feels kinda impossible to me.

[cleopatraxxx]

Politically speaking I think it's impossible cause.. well, let's say the States merges (not sure if that's the correct word, lol) with Mexico. *IF* they did that, and IF they wanted to get rid of the drug cartels.. well to be honest I don't know how would they do that, corruption is really concentrated here, unless the Illuminati and the drug cartels are working for the same side.. I'm not really sure about this, but it feels kinda impossible to me.

CIA is what has been supporting the drug cartel forever. it is all the same. one could runa parallel to this planet as a round ball in sapce, half the time it is in the dark, the other in the light. but it is still the same object. with all the technology and accuracy and advanced biotech, nanotech IF CIA wanted, they would have stopped all the crimes in the world. but it is not in the favor of some groups of people.
Wasnt Bin Laden trained by them to only become their "enemy"? and only to allow the game of the "counter-terrorism" agency to be created pumping into it millions of dollars as well as justifying what we know the excuse to invade Iraq...the list could go on and on.
of course it is the same thing.

all the earthquakes growing in intensity and frequency lately around the globe indicate something is definitely coming (just check the latest on Yellowstone). what is it? i dont believe anymore it could be man made. not at that level.

[cleopatraxxx]

I agree, I don't really think that the world will be physically destroyed, I think it will be a transformation at an spiritual level. And about that thing where Canada, the States and Mexico merge, I just think it's impossible...

Edit: Thanks for that link, Cleopatra, I'll read it.

You are welcome :)
as to the merging of the three countries..who knows. we are here to see what happens.Right now Yellowstone is undergoing some very very active period, which might lead to some bad news coming if it blows as describe in the news.
i read about this yellowstone blowing up some 5 years ago from sources like "channeled" stuff. If it does, i will start believing in the thoery of the pole shift. Still unsure if it is due to the NIBIRU approach or due to something else.

[kimball13]

we have ben getting dirrect light from a blue galaxy for a few years now, then the shuman fequency and such, the atomic clock neading to be adjusted by one second because the rotation slowed down, but realy 2012 is just a change not an end, as someone put it earler a lifting of the veil ,,,,,,,,,,wonder what the blue is about and why not much mention:eek:

[redman]

CIA is what has been supporting the drug cartel forever. it is all the same. one could runa parallel to this planet as a round ball in sapce, half the time it is in the dark, the other in the light. but it is still the same object. with all the technology and accuracy and advanced biotech, nanotech IF CIA wanted, they would have stopped all the crimes in the world. but it is not in the favor of some groups of people.
Wasnt Bin Laden trained by them to only become their "enemy"? and only to allow the game of the "counter-terrorism" agency to be created pumping into it millions of dollars as well as justifying what we know the excuse to invade Iraq...the list could go on and on.
of course it is the same thing.

all the earthquakes growing in intensity and frequency lately around the globe indicate something is definitely coming (just check the latest on Yellowstone). what is it? i dont believe anymore it could be man made. not at that level.



Good post.


To be truthful I think thats why they are disguising a lot of shit with the whole global warming scam. I think a lot of it has to do with the movements of the planets or just the cycle of everything in our galaxy, and to disguise the fact that there is going to be a lot of change happening to our climate and may be we might be in for something really fucking big to happen to the planet, they are wacking us with the whole global warming scare tactic and they actually use tactics to make us think " we " are responsible. LMAO

But in reality we could be just going through a period of change that even the ancient people knew about and that is inevitable, polar shifts have happened and scientists know this. May be ya right, may be 2012 is the next time it happens.

[simplify]

Politically speaking I think it's impossible cause.. well, let's say the States merges (not sure if that's the correct word, lol) with Mexico. *IF* they did that, and IF they wanted to get rid of the drug cartels.. well to be honest I don't know how would they do that, corruption is really concentrated here, unless the Illuminati and the drug cartels are working for the same side.. I'm not really sure about this, but it feels kinda impossible to me.

But if they don't want to get rid of the cartels (cash cow) then there is no reason for them not to merge. What do you think about Canada's involvement?

Canadians don't want the NAU. They see it as a legalized opportunity for the US to come & take Canadian resources (rape & pillage) It has already started with the oil.

[redman]

But if they don't want to get rid of the cartels (cash cow) then there is no reason for them not to merge. What do you think about Canada's involvement?

Canadians don't want the NAU. They see it as a legalized opportunity for the US to come & take Canadian resources (rape & pillage) It has already started with the oil.

Canada ain't got a fucking choice.

Do you think all the countries in the EU had a choice ?? no, because what they signed was a trade agrreement. Ring any bells ??

[notthisshitagain]

CIA is what has been supporting the drug cartel forever. it is all the same. one could runa parallel to this planet as a round ball in sapce, half the time it is in the dark, the other in the light. but it is still the same object. with all the technology and accuracy and advanced biotech, nanotech IF CIA wanted, they would have stopped all the crimes in the world. but it is not in the favor of some groups of people.
Wasnt Bin Laden trained by them to only become their "enemy"? and only to allow the game of the "counter-terrorism" agency to be created pumping into it millions of dollars as well as justifying what we know the excuse to invade Iraq...the list could go on and on.
of course it is the same thing.

all the earthquakes growing in intensity and frequency lately around the globe indicate something is definitely coming (just check the latest on Yellowstone). what is it? i dont believe anymore it could be man made. not at that level.

You got a point there, stupid me, I totally forgot about the CIA.. now I remember all that shit involving the CIA and Pinochet... if the CIA was able to do that stuff in Chile.. I guess they can do it here, even more cause we're closer, lol.

You are welcome :)
as to the merging of the three countries..who knows. we are here to see what happens.Right now Yellowstone is undergoing some very very active period, which might lead to some bad news coming if it blows as describe in the news.
i read about this yellowstone blowing up some 5 years ago from sources like "channeled" stuff. If it does, i will start believing in the thoery of the pole shift. Still unsure if it is due to the NIBIRU approach or due to something else.

I guess you're right. So we can only wait, hmm? I haven't read the Yellowstone stuff but I'll do that right now. ;)

But if they don't want to get rid of the cartels (cash cow) then there is no reason for them not to merge. What do you think about Canada's involvement?

Canadians don't want the NAU. They see it as a legalized opportunity for the US to come & take Canadian resources (rape & pillage) It has already started with the oil.

Yeah.. those cartel things are running rampant here... not everywhere in Mexico but in some parts its really strong.. and the thing is, now people have to be careful with the people working for the cartel.. and we have to be careful about the fucking cops/authority too, lol. To be honest, I have no idea about Canada, the only thing I've heard about Canada is that they're against the NAU thingy, and yeah, I heard about the resource thing too.

[simplify]

Canada ain't got a fucking choice.

Do you think all the countries in the EU had a choice ?? no, because what they signed was a trade agrreement. Ring any bells ??

Yea, the so call free trade agreement only benefited the US, which is what is worrisome about the NAU. I am aware that a NAU agreement was signed between the 3 countries back in 2005, although no mention was made of this in Canada. (It has only recently leaked out)

I guess I'm being hopeful that Canadians will wake up soon and revolt against it, but I'm not holding my breadth. The info on this is been kept well hidden, until it is too late. so I suppose I agree with you:)

[boots]

The world might have a chance past the 2012 date, the date it's self is unimportant. That's a spiritual awakening. The real crux of the matter is if and when the earth will flip. Then it's in the hands of the place we live on and no one know's that's for sure, if that will happen. So why focus on any prophecy's.


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[redman]

Yea, the so call free trade agreement only benefited the US, which is what is worrisome about the NAU. I am aware that a NAU agreement was signed between the 3 countries back in 2005, although no mention was made of this in Canada. (It has only recently leaked out)

I guess I'm being hopeful that Canadians will wake up soon and revolt against it, but I'm not holding my breadth. The info on this is been kept well hidden, until it is too late. so I suppose I agree with you:)



Do you think all the citizens of the countries who signed up to the EU were told in 50 years that all laws would be taken out your hands and whatever we say goes ??

No they never. We got told it was a free trade agreement and was for all the countries to come together and never let anything like WW2 happen again. But ask any clued up European whats happened, and it's the exact opposite, if anything the EU are practically living out what Hitler planned, but in a lot more sophisticated way.

[redman]

The world might have a chance past the 2012 date, the date it's self is unimportant. That's a spiritual awakening. The real crux of the matter is if and when the earth will flip. Then it's in the hands of the place we live on and no one know's that's for sure, if that will happen. So why focus on any prophecy's.


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We don't know fuck all for sure.... so for the time being, people are going to talk shit.

[simplify]

Do you think all the citizens of the countries who signed up to the EU were told in 50 years that all laws would be taken out your hands and whatever we say goes ??

No they never. We got told it was a free trade agreement and was for all the countries to come together and never let anything like WW2 happen again. But ask any clued up European whats happened, and it's the exact opposite, if anything the EU are practically living out what Hitler planned, but in a lot more sophisticated way.

redman: the reason I am hopeful, is that we have the EU as an example, so there is no excuse for Canadians to go down the same road.

Of course the EU didn't tell the truth about what was in store for the countries involved. Nothing new here, just lies, & more lies.

[redman]

redman: the reason I am hopeful, is that we have the EU as an example, so there is no excuse for Canadians to go down the same road.

Of course the EU didn't tell the truth about what was in store for the countries involved. Nothing new here, just lies, & more lies.

Hopeful... ?? Am I not mistaken but haven't Canada already signed the NAU trade deal a few years back ??


If ya have already, then ya fucked, and there is no hoping about it.

[simplify]

Hopeful... ?? Am I not mistaken but haven't Canada already signed the NAU trade deal a few years back ??


If ya have already, then ya fucked, and there is no hoping about it.

Yea, I mentioned this earlier, Canada secretly signed on in 2005.
But I believe in the power of the people, if only they would wake up and smell the coffee. A full out revolt would stop this. Canadian politicians know where their bread and butter come from (first priority) We the taxpayers do have a voice.

[darketernal]

I've got no reason to believe the world is going to end in the near future. Perhaps it will, perhaps not. ;)

[wazaaap]

It better not end, cause i get 10million quid on 1st July 2015.

BASTARDS!

I just think the population will be dramatically decreased. why? cause they said it will (the united nations that is)

They are the only prophets i follow as they never miss a target, and it is all online for us to see.

good old alan watt!!

[cleopatraxxx]

i love this topic, hehe...

some clever people posting here :)

and it could go on forever too

by the way, today is the 30th of December, may all you people have a smooth passage into the new year. lets hope it is not as bad as forcasted due to the economic downturns all over the world. and if anything, i believe that TOGETHER, OUR POWER is THE Power.

Cleo
xxx

[measle_weasel]

There will be a doomsday, at some point, in some way. I dont know how, and I dont know when, but someday, the earth will be no more. Like when the sun starts running on fumes and begins to expand. Though, something could happen before that time as well, that changes the world in such a way as to call it a doomsday.

I used to be of the thinking that it would most certainly be a man made disaster that destroyed the world, but I am now more of the thinking that its going to be a 50/50 chance, between a man made disaster and a natural one.

[rhydra]

I don't buy 2012, it's just too specific a date and even if there was a super advanced civilisation all those years ago, how would they have known what date the planet would end on? The world will end when it's swallowed up by a red giant which used to be the sun or any time in between by a collision with something big enough to smash it to pices, and keep it smashed.;)

As for mankind, man will end, by his own hand though war, disease or by messing up his own planet ensuring his own extinction.:)

[measle_weasel]

it's just too specific a date and even if there was a super advanced civilisation all those years ago, how would they have known what date the planet would end on?

Ive thought about this a little bit, and think that 2012 must involve some type of predictable event. We can predict many cosmic events that have the power to destroy a civilization. A planet, for instance, is extremely predictable, which gives some credit to Nibiru. If Nibiru were coming, it would certainly destroy the world as we know it, if it approaches as close as its said.

[cleopatraxxx]

Ive thought about this a little bit, and think that 2012 must involve some type of predictable event. We can predict many cosmic events that have the power to destroy a civilization. A planet, for instance, is extremely predictable, which gives some credit to Nibiru. If Nibiru were coming, it would certainly destroy the world as we know it, if it approaches as close as its said.

i think timetravel is possible and we are reliving some old stuff

who knows

[cleopatraxxx]

Ive thought about this a little bit, and think that 2012 must involve some type of predictable event. We can predict many cosmic events that have the power to destroy a civilization. A planet, for instance, is extremely predictable, which gives some credit to Nibiru. If Nibiru were coming, it would certainly destroy the world as we know it, if it approaches as close as its said.

regarding NIBIRU, what i remember is that it is not going to touch the planet at all, but is going to be close enough to shift the poles onto the actual equatorial place, e.i. shift is going to be a 90 degrees (+/-) turn...
preceeded by lots of shaking of the planet due to the forces of attraction and repulsion from the approaching NIBIRU. Some say polar caps are going to start melting at incredible speeds and flooding loads of islands and margins of all continents. Apparently England will be totally submerged.

[fromthatshow]

I'm really hoping for an apocalypse. Or just the end of this world.
This world is hell. This world is separation from God. If our separation from God ended that would be cause for rejoice! :D

[1694]

Looking at the graphs the US monetary system was 0.2% away from total collapse last quater....there is an apocolypse comming..... 2012 looks about right.

(I often wondered whether the this prediction wasnt a prediction at all but a record of Myan history. Their soceity lasted X amount of years before it imploded, they date stamped it, our own cycle of boom and bust is simply following the same pattern.

Look at any eco system, boom after bust after boom. We just have our own peculiar way of going about it.

[measle_weasel]

regarding NIBIRU, what i remember is that it is not going to touch the planet at all, but is going to be close enough to shift the poles onto the actual equatorial place, e.i. shift is going to be a 90 degrees (+/-) turn...
preceeded by lots of shaking of the planet due to the forces of attraction and repulsion from the approaching NIBIRU. Some say polar caps are going to start melting at incredible speeds and flooding loads of islands and margins of all continents. Apparently England will be totally submerged.

I think it would be more likely that Nibiru would cause tides that are, to say the least, unheard of. Tides that can fluctuate by 2 miles vertically per tide cycle. Isnt this what the apparent first farming communities at over 10,000 feet means? Thats what I gathered from it, but Im not sure.

Either way, any massive body flying through the solar system is going to mess things up. I guess, if Nibiru is real, we can be glad that its only 4 - 8 times the mass of earth, and not a rogue star thats millions times the mass of earth.