Illuminati Reveal Crazy Apocalyptic Agenda

[tusme]

http://www.henrymakow.com/harvest.gifby Henry Makow Ph.D.

"Thrust in your sickle and reap, for the time has come for you to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." Revelations 14:15


The world may soon resemble Jonestown if a sick Illuminati plan to "harvest" souls in 2012 comes to pass. For a week in October, a person claiming to be a "generational member of a Ruling Bloodline family" answered questions on abovetopsecret forum (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1) .

Using the moniker "Hidden Hand," he gave a convincing explanation of the demented Cabalistic beliefs motivating the Illuminati. He described how they find this world consciousness ("Third Density") to be "very constricting and uncomfortable" and want to be united again with Lucifer ("the One," the "Creator.") This will require them to stage an apocalyptic human sacrifice ("harvest of souls") in 2012.

The background according to "Hidden Hand" is this: Yahweh had been running a "benign dictatorship" in the Garden of Eden. He made a pact with the Luciferians (Illuminati) to introduce evil into the world, so man will have Free Will to choose between right and wrong, and thus evolve spiritually. Yahweh didn't expect man would choose evil. As result, the Illuminati rule the world but now find it a tedious place. They intend to create the intense evil (selfishness, "negative polarity") required for them to rendezvous with their spaceship, as it were. Remember, this is an insane satanic cult which just happens to control the planet.

Link... (http://www.henrymakow.com/the_cabalist_plan_to_harvest_y.html)

[daveashe]

This is skewed from the original message that i had read.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1

If you read on, the message is explained better in detail as to what the harvest is. Also, the person says that they are nothing to do with the bloodlines that we know as the illuminati as far as i remember.

[bim11]

george bush wudnt want to hurt us, hes the president

[tusme]

This is skewed from the original message that i had read.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1

If you read on, the message is explained better in detail as to what the harvest is. Also, the person says that they are nothing to do with the bloodlines that we know as the illuminati as far as i remember.
Hi Daveashe,

Apologies, I've not read the article at the "abovetopsecret" forums, so, can't comment unfortunately...

I'll give it a read tomorrow sometime, and get back to you... ;)

Cheers

[cleopatraxxx]

...dont want to double post it, sorry

[cleopatraxxx]

2).By what basis is the timing of such revelations established?



By the decree of the Supreme World Council, according to the Will of the Creator.



Are we really considered chattel and traded as such by the government?



By the governments, generally, yes. People are seen as 'collateral'. Pawns that are maneuvered around the chess board, according to the game plan. By the Family, contrary to popular beliefs, many of us do not mean you any harm directly. There is just the matter of divine destiny to uphold and unfold, and we must play our parts in the game, as given to us by the Creator. In many ways, it is actually in our own interest that you are prepared for the coming Harvest. Just not maybe prepared in quite the way that you would like. Still, even then, you are choosing the Negative Polarity with your own Free Will decisions, with a little 'help' and direction from us. Souls are Harvestable in either 'extreme' of the Polarities, one could say.





If so, how do we become freemen?




You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, is indication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is very likely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to an understanding, of why you are here. You are fast running out of time to do so, before the coming Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat the cycle.




Is the Messiah alive today?




There is no "Messiah". Stop looking outside of yourself for 'salvation'.
Is there what you might call a 'Christ Consciousness' alive, then yes, in a manner of speaking. Though not in your 3rd Density (dimensional) awareness.


...

[theciape]

You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, is indication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is very likely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to an understanding, of why you are here. You are fast running out of time to do so, before the coming Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat the cycle.

The above quote from the alleged Illuminati member resonates with me. It is what I have felt for years and this is my main priority in life aside from keeping in the moment and trying to Love others as I would like to be Loved. As for the rest, I am always suspicious of those who claim to be controlling and manipulating.

I can't imagine how the above quote could be bad advice. But my mind remains open.

[friendsinthesky]

I'm always dumbfounded when a helping hand albeit from the light or darkness gives us hints via the internet. Thank god for the internet, now I shall never be free, unless I stop reading bullshit.

[ubiquitous]

Heres a thread I started about this a few weeks ago when it was all over the net. If you scroll down a few posts there's a link to all the collated posts by 'Hidden Hand', so instead of reading the bullshit in its entirety, you get to read the condensed version.......:D

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40594&highlight=window

[sade]

Don't believe any of this.
I could come with a story like this myself and make it FAR more belieavable.

[ubiquitous]

Don't believe any of this.
I could come with a story like this myself and make it FAR more belieavable.


Lol, that might be fun. Give it a go just to show how easy it is to fool the gullible. Make it interesting enough to follow, then post it on ATS. :eek:

[netta]

I liked hidden hands explanation. I thought it was interesting. Whether he was fake or not I would enjoy asking him questions. I am not sure what I would ask yet. I actually wish he would come on again just so I could see what he would say.

[friendsinthesky]

Heres a thread I started about this a few weeks ago when it was all over the net. If you scroll down a few posts there's a link to all the collated posts by 'Hidden Hand', so instead of reading the bullshit in its entirety, you get to read the condensed version.......:D

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40594&highlight=window

Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered.

It kind of gives you the impression that they've being "communicating" for some time.

So, before the internet was given to "us". How did they communicate otherwise? Was it a little round table discussion at your local YMCA?

[justpassinthrew]

Hidden hands explanations of Earths current situation and our 'dilema' is right on the mark!

We are approaching the end of this incarnational cycle which happens every 26,000 years like clockwork. The goal of each soul currently incarnated at this present moment apart from Indigos and Wanderers is to understand the illusion of duality and incorporate into their being the very fact that there is no you, there is no me.. there is no right, there is no wrong. There just is. To transcend this world onto the next incarnational cycle you must understand the illusion of duality and see it for what it really is.. an illusion.

For any of you who have done your homework you'll understand that hidden hands information corealates perfectly with the teachings of "Doloras Cannon", "Dannion Brinkley" , "Gregg Braden", And the "Teachings of Ra" .


And for those of you perceptive little fellows out there it will just ring true for you. But then again, if your that perceptive you are most likely a wanderer/starseed/lightworker who's sole task is to ensure as big a positive harvest as possible by raising the energetic vibrational consciousness of the people of this world. Which has been accomplished to such a degree that you should all be proud.. considering the circumstances.


Even if hidden hand is just some spotty kid on a computer sitting in the middle of zimbabwe who's just read a few books (good books at that) his information is still 100% correct, and that.. at the end of the day, is all that matters.


This whole charade "new world order" ahh run for your lives their freakin reptilians is just in place to ensnare as many people as possible into a fearfull mindset thus lowering their energetic vibrational frequency and as a result spurring them on to do some dastardly deeds.. much to their inconvenience of course as the majority of humans will not make "4th density" positive, or "4th density" negative and will remain on this planet or one equaly as challenging in the "3rd density". Of course this does not mean they have to remain their for the entire cycle, there are smaller cycles every few thousand years. And we all know, it can get rather shit down here. Better get the kettle on ehh.



That sense of urgency many of you are feeling.. That sense of impending somethingness.. Well its as real as the air your breathing.. or is that air your breathing..?


Moral of the story. Stop being a bunch of bastards because at the end of the day your only doing it to yourselves and prolonging the illusion of agony and discomfort for another few hundred lifetimes.. why doddle?

[cycles of time]

instead of "nigerian scammers"

you now have

"conspiracy illuminati reptilian doomsday ron paul scammers"

[vladmir]

Their agenda is actually not crazy at all.
Read it carefully, and then re-read, till you 'get it'.

"Hidden Hand" says the Illuminati create "War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more," for our own good.

"In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here. Understand that, and you will understand the Game."

"Understand, that we HAVE to be Negative. That's what we were sent here to be. It is our contract, and it has always been to help you, by providing the "Catalyst" I spoke of earlier. Being Negative is very hard for us, not on a physical level, (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we're programmed that way), but on a Spiritual level, it is hard. We surpassed the lowly negative vibrations eons ago. We are Light, and we are Love. It is a very hard thing for us to do Spiritually, to create all this Negativity, but we do it because we love you, and it is for your highest good, ultimately. You could say, that it is our Sacrifice that we have made, in order to be of Service to the One Infinite Creator, and to you, our Brothers and Sisters in the One."

Just so there is no doubt whom the Illuminati worship: "Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer" and "Bright and Morning Star". Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density, which in effect, means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). In appearance, were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being, the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or, when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration, we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'."

[vladmir]

For any of you who have done your homework you'll understand that hidden hands information corealates perfectly with the teachings of "Doloras Cannon", "Dannion Brinkley" , "Gregg Braden", And the "Teachings of Ra" .
Dolores Cannon's books are amazing, especially Conversations with Nostradamus.
For those of you who dont know of her works ,
you can download both volumes and more of her books here:
http://www.esnips.com/web/soul-/
I would suggest you get them fast, might not last long! ;)
For the Ra material, or the Law of One, its a fascinating book, in 5 volumes, and if you have read it, you will understand that Hidden Hands source material.
You can download this excellent book here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9570742/Ra-Material-The-Law-of-One-Books-I-to-V

[xpleet]

You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, is indication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is very likely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to an understanding, of why you are here. You are fast running out of time to do so, before the coming Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat the cycle.

Twisted, twister,

Mr. Illuminati "Insider" likes to turn the truth into fear and doom?

Upon reading again, it is clear that he states "You can only be free if you allow us to program you with our elite-sponsored new-age program layed out for you and if you don't, then the consequences..."


There seems to be a new wave of 'agents' trying to pull the old fear card, messing with people who have some understand of what's going on, and trying to program them with the impression that "If you don't this and that, there will be hellish.. blabla etc."

They try to twist 2012 into a negative event, which it is not. They, just like the new Hollywood agenda want to bring over it a sense of hopelessness when in truth it is all about the liberation from this phony reality and this incorporates the inevitable destruction of our Solar System (ultimately the universe) because the controllers are not letting go themselves. They try to instigate a spiritual and mental hell as like a "Big fireworks at the end of the show". It is another elite sponsored lie to say that "awakening will transform reality". They know this is not going to happen and when people come to realize it they might face big despair (for that is what they want).

Noone will ever have to go through another cycle again because this matrix is in structural breach and collapse, now more people will see the truth as the evidence speak for themselves, a hotter sun and brighter skies, a weakning EM field of the Earth, increasing impossible sky phenomena, record weather outbreaks etc, are just a few examples that the ruling-elite can't fully 'hush! hush!' anymore despite the huge blanket of ignorance that engulfes the earth.

If most people truely knew what's going on they would rejoice knowing that they will return to the great spirit soon!

[freedomnonfighter]

Good post, xpleet :)

Harvest? lol
More New Age nonsense; trying to scoop up more false-hope/fear... with the 'promise' of Obama and these New Age 'promises' :rolleyes:

Trust in yourselves, not words :)

[goldman]

http://www.henrymakow.com/harvest.gifby Henry Makow Ph.D.

"Thrust in your sickle and reap, for the time has come for you to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." Revelations 14:15


The world may soon resemble Jonestown if a sick Illuminati plan to "harvest" souls in 2012 comes to pass. For a week in October, a person claiming to be a "generational member of a Ruling Bloodline family" answered questions on abovetopsecret forum (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1) .

Using the moniker "Hidden Hand," he gave a convincing explanation of the demented Cabalistic beliefs motivating the Illuminati. He described how they find this world consciousness ("Third Density") to be "very constricting and uncomfortable" and want to be united again with Lucifer ("the One," the "Creator.") This will require them to stage an apocalyptic human sacrifice ("harvest of souls") in 2012.

The background according to "Hidden Hand" is this: Yahweh had been running a "benign dictatorship" in the Garden of Eden. He made a pact with the Luciferians (Illuminati) to introduce evil into the world, so man will have Free Will to choose between right and wrong, and thus evolve spiritually. Yahweh didn't expect man would choose evil. As result, the Illuminati rule the world but now find it a tedious place. They intend to create the intense evil (selfishness, "negative polarity") required for them to rendezvous with their spaceship, as it were. Remember, this is an insane satanic cult which just happens to control the planet.

Link... (http://www.henrymakow.com/the_cabalist_plan_to_harvest_y.html)

Yep. Hence my serious concern and discussion in the freemen topics. The Illumis have been manipulating everything and everyone, even those in the conspiracy world, even those here on these forums. Sadly few seem to realize it will be all of us who will bring them into total power by creating the NEW WORLD for them. They cannot do it alone, so they create a double bind in which they let us believe we work against them, while actually work for them.

Sounds far fetched? I don't think it is, it's actually so obvious before your eyes that few recognize it as a reality.

[tusme]

Yep. Hence my serious concern and discussion in the freemen topics. The Illumis have been manipulating everything and everyone, even those in the conspiracy world, even those here on these forums. Sadly few seem to realize it will be all of us who will bring them into total power by creating the NEW WORLD for them. They cannot do it alone, so they create a double bind in which they let us believe we work against them, while actually work for them.

Sounds far fetched? I don't think it is, it's actually so obvious before your eyes that few recognize it as a reality.
Hi Goldman,

Nothing "far-fetched" at all...!!

All the more reason, people, if they ain't already doing so, should start being and knowing their Truth vibrational energy...!!

Else, we may yet be handing them the NWO, on the proverbial...plate :eek: :)

Cheers

[dedicate]

"Nothing in this essay is true, but it's exactly they way things are.", thus 100% true.

No longer is there any Democracy Nations. The percent that own another percent of things is in proportion,, 98% of things is owned by 2% of the people. 98% of media and information system is under HIDDEN HAND control, only 2% see it. And these guys are not our benevolents.

Religion is so important to seeing what is going on today, it surprises me that so many miss this. One who has looked into religion -- all religion Buddhist, Hindu, Christian.. will see that there is no "good goal" in what this person says. One principle we learn in religion is that Good never comes from doing Evil, such as torture. It is the Devil that tells you, "you must do some bad, in order to do good" or "sell your soul today for the greater good tomorrow." This is never true. -- Religion teaches us to see this right off, no debate. Doesn't this person admit he is a lier, and one who will lead people with lies?

So those on the fence, asking "are these guys the good guys? is there some good out of this Global Nazi Satan Conspiracy"? Make your choice today, because, by not choosing, you will fall on the bad side regardless.

[romas]

Regardless of friendsintheskys logical approach I still liked the story, I didn't find it doomy at all, but neither is it pink colored candy, better approach by far from many polarized mumbo jumbo I've been reading.

I wonder if that earth getting beamed picture isn't from some old console-video game ;)

Going from 3d to 4th or whatever density sounds good, we'll die eventually anyway, does it matter if you carry on some more pointlessly? ;)

[thetonic]

Harvest? lol
More New Age nonsense; trying to scoop up more false-hope/fear...



you seem so sure of yourself here... Wouldnt you rather err on the side of caution?

[killmicrosoft]

total and utter bullshit

[justpassinthrew]

total and utter bullshit

Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.

[noobcybot]

I enjoyed it, it would make a nice way to introduce people into the more out there parts of the agenda. But to even start to believe it you are still going to require some experience in the other dimensions, comprehension of the holographic universe etc...
I buy the idea that Jahweh was a creation consciousness and the God of the Bible but I do not accept the idea that the illuminatists are justified in their acts simply because they are acting out the program. Suffering in this realm still means something, all the sadness, nothing good can come of it and it should be alleviated where possible.

[kingmob]

I've read it once, and I will have to read it again to get it to settle down somewhere in the depth of my head.

But I found a lot of the things he said already known to me as facts or close facts.

Other things about the family and their true agenda and such cannot be verified, but he did present a story that is largely coherent and sensical. I did get the impression that the messenger is extremely intelligent and surely knows something.

How much disinfo, if any, is hard to say at this point.

[friendsinthesky]

I've read it once, and I will have to read it again to get it to settle down somewhere in the depth of my head.

But I found a lot of the things he said already known to me as facts or close facts.



The 'hidden hand' basically is representing our evil side. Evil is; materialism/ego/hate/envy.etc

Simple really.

[soulja]

if you peep the fancy stuff he says you'll notice his basic message is the same as the one from the first ''illuminati insider''

this time the package is a lot slicker though so i take it they weren't happy enough with the results they've got from the first insider. so they upped their game a bit.

the elite is here because it's god plan, they give us the tools in order for us to evolve and one day become one with god again.

all the evil they do is justified by this because hey it's the divine plan !

lol.. if i'd be the ruling class it sure comes handy if my slaves believe that nonsense.

hey i just nicked your child and sold it into sex slavery but don't worry mate it's all part of the cosmic plan. i don't really want to do that but i have to.
it's my role in the game you see :rolleyes:

i'll give them that though, they are very good at catchin our feelings by pressing the right buttons and using the right language.

telling us all the fancy ''deeply spiritual'' stuff we wan't to hear.

[freedomnonfighter]

The 'hidden hand' basically is representing our evil side. Evil is; materialism/ego/hate/envy.etc

Simple really.
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[oiram]

Their agenda is actually not crazy at all.
Read it carefully, and then re-read, till you 'get it'.

A message has no value if not understood on a personal level; let’s decipher the hidden Hands message:

"Hidden Hand" says the Illuminati create "War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more," for our own good.

Yes because so many like all these Illuminati produced products of evil; to many individuals love these products & tools by there free will & they give there service to all these products believing they are good for them & making them reality therefore they become our live reality and our present incarnation!

"In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here. Understand that, and you will understand the Game."

Yes they are providing us with all these Products tools; so how do you react to these Products; what are you doing with these tools are you embracing them & make them a bestseller or do you reject them by using your own logic & understanding knowing the long term effect of all these products toward you’re self your children & all others.
Will you make the effort & spread the news to all others how negative or positive all these tools & products are; or do you just stand by & let them use these tools?
Do you support War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more?
Products are only as good as you make them to be!
Yes you “I repeat you” have to take responsibility for your actions & your surroundings & environment your children grow up!


"Understand, that we HAVE to be Negative. That's what we were sent here to be. It is our contract, and it has always been to help you, by providing the "Catalyst" I spoke of earlier. Being Negative is very hard for us, not on a physical level, (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we're programmed that way), but on a Spiritual level, it is hard. We surpassed the lowly negative vibrations eons ago. We are Light, and we are Love. It is a very hard thing for us to do Spiritually, to create all this Negativity, but we do it because we love you, and it is for your highest good, ultimately. You could say, that it is our Sacrifice that we have made, in order to be of Service to the One Infinite Creator, and to you, our Brothers and Sisters in the One."

They have to be negative because this is what you are asking for & it’s you who embrace these negative products also it appears most can not get enough of these products which makes them billions in profit. They are only producing products which you embrace to be good for you’re self & turns them into a bestseller which makes them billions!
Do they like to produce negativity? Maybe yes; maybe no but items which are requested by the individuals (group) & creates billions who would reject to serve these requests?
What are they not doing which you are requesting to be served well?
For materialistic orientated people serving there ego first is natural human behavior before any morals are activated & incorporated!
(Is this not the way you are your self?)

Just so there is no doubt whom the Illuminati worship: "Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer" and "Bright and Morning Star". Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density, which in effect, means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). In appearance, were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being, the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or, when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration, we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'."

This part is confusing!
All I can make of this is that the "Group Soul" (we) is able to provide all & everything the Group Soul is requesting to be produced!
Once you get what makes you all happy…..? Is this not like a "Bright and Morning Star" for those who got served!
We are the creators of all & everything on an individual level!

You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, is indication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is very likely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to an understanding, of why you are here. You are fast running out of time to do so, before the coming Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat the cycle.

You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet (the way you a incarnating & promoting the products you are requesting).
Just being here is not enough without making a effort to change it & yes get out there to spread the message you have to become the change not others!
Ones you (which turns into we) have become the change we may stop the Harvest & we don’t have to repeat the past cycles which are already known to us from our History!


It’s all up to you not others!
People only have power if you give them the power!
They are nobodies without your support & consent!

I don’t believe anything “I have to know” to be close to the mark & act accordantly!

[romas]

if you peep the fancy stuff he says you'll notice his basic message is the same as the one from the first ''illuminati insider''

this time the package is a lot slicker though so i take it they weren't happy enough with the results they've got from the first insider. so they upped their game a bit.

the elite is here because it's god plan, they give us the tools in order for us to evolve and one day become one with god again.

all the evil they do is justified by this because hey it's the divine plan !

lol.. if i'd be the ruling class it sure comes handy if my slaves believe that nonsense.

hey i just nicked your child and sold it into sex slavery but don't worry mate it's all part of the cosmic plan. i don't really want to do that but i have to.
it's my role in the game you see :rolleyes:

i'll give them that though, they are very good at catchin our feelings by pressing the right buttons and using the right language.

telling us all the fancy ''deeply spiritual'' stuff we wan't to hear.





You're basically assuming it's a genuine member of a secret organisation trying to bullshit some internet readers and make them less annoyed with "illuminata" ...

[killmicrosoft]

Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.


have investigated and it is total bull proves how easy it is to manipulate people wright a good bit of garbage and people will believe anything
ignorance is believing all that is written with no further research

[lizzy]

You're basically assuming it's a genuine member of a secret organisation trying to bullshit some internet readers and make them less annoyed with "illuminata" ...

Not necassarily.....
More like some lowlife lummie scum operative...(and they are here too).....

I read this first "Q & A'.....this next one is slicker but just more sick newage mind control pro-pagan-da ..

( we must learn to blame oursleves , ...yeah, right o..!!!!)

[killmicrosoft]

Hidden Hand is a fraud.

He is imitating someone whom used to call themselves "Insider". This was several years back. *snip*

Then recently after I put this material back on the web this Hidden Hand guy pops up and obviously tries to pass as a "bloodline insider" by basically using the foundation of "Insider"s story as his own, adding some of his own things here and there.

There's little reason to believe this guy is for real as there is no doubt about him reading
Insider's material first and then deciding to come here and have some fun.

Perhaps he do have "good" intentions, there is some truth to what he and Insider said - except that Insider was more honest and spoke more truth than what Hidden Hand does.

[cleopatraxxx]

Hidden Hand is a fraud.

He is imitating someone whom used to call themselves "Insider". This was several years back. *snip*

Then recently after I put this material back on the web this Hidden Hand guy pops up and obviously tries to pass as a "bloodline insider" by basically using the foundation of "Insider"s story as his own, adding some of his own things here and there.

There's little reason to believe this guy is for real as there is no doubt about him reading
Insider's material first and then deciding to come here and have some fun.

Perhaps he do have "good" intentions, there is some truth to what he and Insider said - except that Insider was more honest and spoke more truth than what Hidden Hand does.

if Jesus Christ presented himself in flesh to you today you would not believe him and ridicule him too.
if Satan presented himself to you, would you believe it? would you think it is also a bully?

what proof does one need from any of them?
would you only believe in Jesus if he with a shake of his hand wiped all the evil from Earth? would he be so stupid and do it for us? does HUMANITY EVEN DESERVE IT???? if i was Jesus, i wouldnt even bother to come, because to me it seems that humanity is full of shit and it is BY its OWN FREE WILL.
to me, no matter what the illuminati feed us, IT IS OUR CHOICE TO DO THE GOOD OR THE EVIL. They are right you know, when they say they only give us the tools. IT IS UP TO US TO USE THE BAD TOOLS FOR BAD THINGS OR USE THEM AGAINST THE EVIL, OR AFTER ALL NOT USE THEM AT ALL. MAKE OUR OWN TOOLS OF LOVE AND USE THEM FOR THE GOOD!!!!

PS: WHEN I SAY "you", i mean anyone in general.

[killmicrosoft]

if Jesus Christ presented himself in flesh to you today you would not believe him and ridicule him too.
if Satan presented himself to you, would you believe it? would you think it is also a bully?

what proof does one need from any of them?
would you only believe in Jesus if he with a shake of his hand wiped all the evil from Earth? would he be so stupid and do it for us? does HUMANITY EVEN DESERVE IT???? if i was Jesus, i wouldnt even bother to come, because to me it seems that humanity is full of shit and it is BY its OWN FREE WILL.
to me, no matter what the illuminati feed us, IT IS OUR CHOICE TO DO THE GOOD OR THE EVIL. They are right you know, when they say they only give us the tools. IT IS UP TO US TO USE THE BAD TOOLS FOR BAD THINGS OR USE THEM AGAINST THE EVIL, OR AFTER ALL NOT USE THEM AT ALL. MAKE OUR OWN TOOLS OF LOVE AND USE THEM FOR THE GOOD!!!!

PS: WHEN I SAY "you", i mean anyone in general.

what is this gibberish

[cleopatraxxx]

what is this gibberish

sorry killmicrosoft,

i just dont know when will people try and filter contents to read the messages.

what i mean is that we cant discard everything just because someone else said, or because it is not in the mainstream media.

i wasn't adressing you personally, although i quoted your words.

i am not saying Hidden Hand is fake, and whoever it is sending those messages and replying to questions, does seem logic enough.
like someone said earlier, if people prefer to believe in david icke and the reptiles he speaks about without even seeing one in flesh, why not listen to hidden hand as well?? just for the sake of filtering whatever he says.

...
nothing personally killmicrosoft... i love your nickname too!

[killmicrosoft]

Everything that Hidden Hand posted is from material widely available already in various literature, both old and new. Much of it goes under the New Age category, and some of it is of more ancient belief systems, hermeticism and so on.

From reading
his posts, it seems to me that he has just put all that together and posted it as his "own" material / idea / "inside information".

I did not read a single line to be honest that I've not already read about before or heard about somewhere.

There is a lot of truth in many of the things he said, but also many things I would consider "far off".

Regardless of that I'd still say people should be careful about what they blindly believe just because someone tells something and seem like they are full of experiences. It is quite easy to read a couple books, and convert what you read into a "My life" story.

Perhaps the reason he went away was because he used up his material and were not able to come up with the same things on his own.

Never take anything for granted, assume it's lies until you've actually seen it to be true - and even then question it

[killmicrosoft]

sorry killmicrosoft,

i just dont know when will people try and filter contents to read the messages.

what i mean is that we cant discard everything just because someone else said, or because it is not in the mainstream media.

i wasn't adressing you personally, although i quoted your words.

i am not saying Hidden Hand is fake, and whoever it is sending those messages and replying to questions, does seem logic enough.
like someone said earlier, if people prefer to believe in david icke and the reptiles he speaks about without even seeing one in flesh, why not listen to hidden hand as well?? just for the sake of filtering whatever he says.

...
nothing personally killmicrosoft... i love your nickname too!

no offense taken

all i seek is truth nothing else will do

Wow. You people are incredible. You people believe whatever BS is given to you. You really believe someone who calls himself a "ruling family insider", but that has nothing better to do than keep posting BS on obscure forums on the internet... You really believe a totally unknown person who right away is "suggesting" to you how you should behave and live your life...

The internet is the best source of information there is nowadays, but use your common sense people...

[cleopatraxxx]

no offense taken

all i seek is truth nothing else will do

Wow. You people are incredible. You people believe whatever BS is given to you. You really believe someone who calls himself a "ruling family insider", but that has nothing better to do than keep posting BS on obscure forums on the internet... You really believe a totally unknown person who right away is "suggesting" to you how you should behave and live your life...

The internet is the best source of information there is nowadays, but use your common sense people...

i agree with you

[ddaniel]

If it's a hoax it's a good one. This guy is obviously intelligent, and look at the time between his posts. Chances are it's all BS, but there's always that "what if" factor...

What I got out of this is as long as I try my best to pour out love onto others, i'm good to go! Better safe than sorry :D

[grannymoose]

I'm always dumbfounded when a helping hand albeit from the light or darkness gives us hints via the internet. Thank god for the internet, now I shall never be free, unless I stop reading bullshit.

lol:D:D

[dimhttwhis]

I cant believe how far humankind has come to manipulate and decieve its own to hi-jack its wealth and pure brilliance which are our thoughts and our personal ideas that create the very world we live in..

think about it?

mostly every theory man has ever generated is in the hands of the unknown, one could brainstorm this conspiracy all year round and in doing so, one can not deny that many of us are just intellectual prostitutes, if not all of us.

Prepare yourselves ya'll and spread the word God bless

p.s. Do i sound crazy? If so thanx for the compliment, Peace.

[dimhttwhis]

i agree with you

Why are you both members? and others like you i do not know.

Maybe you join this site to feel a sense of freedom or reality or you have nothing better to do with creative thoughts, (dont mean to be negative and arrogant to single you's out also but i dont see much pro-activity here) as we all are free to post our opinions, but this conspiracy is a great deal of importance to our kind.

So again i ask myself questions which many people dont do. they just ask others.

Q1. Why does everybody feel so sure about themselves?

Q2. Why is ignorance at its peak?

Q3. Why do people insist on believing its a free world (present time)?

"Injustice any where is a threat to justice every where"

uhh.. is it jst me or the world isn't really fair ..haha.. ask yourself dude what countries actually portray quality fairness through a legal system. The fairest country i've seen is the Phillipines and that aint fair.

Q4. Am i alone on my way with peace?

Only the vast few these days naturally seek to understand before they seek to be understood.

here's a psychology test: you should notice this trait (seek to understand before your understood) lays mainly in those with good hearts or all those with good hearts. Which i feel is a result of integrity, conclusion = ego trips get you know where but further from the ball. (im not saying those with diff style hearts lol dont seek to understand im saying that the good hearts definanlty do .. but hey if they dont have good hearts then why am i defending them? i dunno)

From what our sources tell us, manipulation and our lack of understanding has and still does (by the way) play the biggest role in our daily lives and will so forever until i guess there is a heightened global awareness on life itself separate to those events taking place all over the world which are 'movies' (by david ickes term) orchestrated for one reason and one reason only, to capture our attention, our focus, our fear i guess that fits in too.

p.s. i believe the hardest part to digest out of the entire conspiracy would be the "manipulation process" but once you see its actually possible even in todays time (especially in todays time), your perspective on the entire conspiracy will change, your conscience will change and you'll begin to realise, it! is! all coldly calculated as DAVID ICKE quoted because they've been doing so for the past centuries. damit they're almost excellent

and the worst thing about the uncontrolled countries... issss

"In war, how would one stop an invisible tyrant." - ladies and gentlemen this IS! the $64,000.00 question

[killmicrosoft]

Why are you both members? and others like you i do not know.

Maybe you join this site to feel a sense of freedom or reality or you have nothing better to do with creative thoughts, (dont mean to be negative and arrogant to single you's out also but i dont see much pro-activity here) as we all are free to post our opinions, but this conspiracy is a great deal of importance to our kind.

So again i ask myself questions which many people dont do. they just ask others.

Q1. Why does everybody feel so sure about themselves?

Q2. Why is ignorance at its peak?

Q3. Why do people insist on believing its a free world (present time)?

"Injustice any where is a threat to justice every where"

uhh.. is it jst me or the world isn't really fair ..haha.. ask yourself dude what countries actually portray quality fairness through a legal system. The fairest country i've seen is the Phillipines and that aint fair.

Q4. Am i alone on my way with peace?

Only the vast few these days naturally seek to understand before they seek to be understood.

here's a psychology test: you should notice this trait (seek to understand before your understood) lays mainly in those with good hearts or all those with good hearts. Which i feel is a result of integrity, conclusion = ego trips get you know where but further from the ball.

what the hell is pro-active about reading and believing utter tripe

and yes it is very arrogant of you
do as much research as i have done then come back and argue

[thetonic]

The internet is the best source of information there is nowadays, but use your common sense people...

sometimes common sense is not enough... The internet is not the way to get the truth, it is absolutely flooded with disinformation and people get very easily led to the slaughter

You must look inside for the answers

[killmicrosoft]

it is absolutely flooded with disinformation and people get very easily led to the slaughter

life is flooded with lies not just the internet
humans need to find their own truths and paths
only by your own journey will you find the peices and fit them together
on your journey you will meet others on a similar quest you can only help and give direction but there truth may e your lies or your truth there lies.

[cleopatraxxx]

I cant believe how far humankind has come to manipulate and decieve its own to hi-jack its wealth and pure brilliance which are our thoughts and our personal ideas that create the very world we live in..

think about it?

mostly every theory man has ever generated is in the hands of the unknown, one could brainstorm this conspiracy all year round and in doing so, one can not deny that many of us are just intellectual prostitutes, if not all of us.

Prepare yourselves ya'll and spread the word God bless

p.s. Do i sound crazy? If so thanx for the compliment, Peace.

hello there,
WHAT IS crazyness?? ;)

[cleopatraxxx]

sometimes common sense is not enough... The internet is not the way to get the truth, it is absolutely flooded with disinformation and people get very easily led to the slaughter

You must look inside for the answers

wise words,
and then i should still paraphrase your own words here: "sometimes looking inside only is not enough"... either

i feel we are all right in many ways

to some certain pieces of info will sound completely right while to ohters will not. i assume all depends on each ones experience and little knowledge of things. perceptions vary. everything is relative as Eintein said once.
none the less there is A TRUTH. to each of our souls there will always exist their own truth. global truth is that we are all here to learn, share and especially do it all with love and respect for each other views, wishes.
if we could only listen to each other without condemnation. analyse without criticism. if ALL COULD DO IT the same way, we wouldnt have wars, neither at a home level, nor at a country level.

sad we are so lost in small debris of lies and truths...

lets stop criticising each others views. allow to listen to each other. make questions WHY does one think this or that way. ask for it. try to understand WHY and post back respectfull thoughts on the matter. it is the most respectfull approach. even if someone apparently is a "twat" with certain commnets. aren't they here to learn? arent' we here to share and teach and learn in all this process of posting?

thanks for all your input. all of you
has been a great experience, even when some dont agree with my views, i still try to hear with my heart why and act accordingly.

LOVE and PEACE
Cleo

[synergy777]

i think, there are elements of truth eg 2012-26,000 year cycle, as celestial movements/sun spot cycles also correlate.

the scripture correlates eg bible/revelations.

the yahweh v lucifer

the role of free will and thought creating reality

things are going to get awesome.

[anglosaxon]

I think this quote is adequate at this time...

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha

[killmicrosoft]

i think this quote is adequate at this time...

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if i have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha

spot on

[oiram]

I think this quote is adequate at this time...

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
BuddhaThat's me!
Never mind this is a quote from Buddha.

[romas]

if Jesus Christ presented himself in flesh to you today you would not believe him and ridicule him too.
if Satan presented himself to you, would you believe it? would you think it is also a bully?


Very good point, it's impossible to believe anything unless witnessed with applied logic and practice. There is always what if and as dimhttwhis said:


I cant believe how far humankind has come to manipulate and decieve its own to hi-jack its wealth and pure brilliance which are our thoughts and our personal ideas that create the very world we live in..

think about it?

mostly every theory man has ever generated is in the hands of the unknown, one could brainstorm this conspiracy all year round and in doing so, one can not deny that many of us are just intellectual prostitutes, if not all of us.

Prepare yourselves ya'll and spread the word God bless

p.s. Do i sound crazy? If so thanx for the compliment, Peace.



Well yes and no, The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived

Judgement is impossible in the subjective universe, we believe there for it exists for each of us individually, there are no laws just highest probabilities and emerging consciousness colliding with itself.





I think this quote is adequate at this time...

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha


Thanks, this sums it all up perfectly.

[sloughi]

"Thrust in your sickle and reap, for the time has come for you to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." Revelations 14:15


The world may soon resemble Jonestown if a sick Illuminati plan to "harvest" souls in 2012 comes to pass. For a week in October, a person claiming to be a "generational member of a Ruling Bloodline family" answered questions on abovetopsecret forum .

Using the moniker "Hidden Hand," he gave a convincing explanation of the demented Cabalistic beliefs motivating the Illuminati. He described how they find this world consciousness ("Third Density") to be "very constricting and uncomfortable" and want to be united again with Lucifer ("the One," the "Creator.") This will require them to stage an apocalyptic human sacrifice ("harvest of souls") in 2012.

The background according to "Hidden Hand" is this: Yahweh had been running a "benign dictatorship" in the Garden of Eden. He made a pact with the Luciferians (Illuminati) to introduce evil into the world, so man will have Free Will to choose between right and wrong, and thus evolve spiritually. Yahweh didn't expect man would choose evil. As result, the Illuminati rule the world but now find it a tedious place. They intend to create the intense evil (selfishness, "negative polarity") required for them to rendezvous with their spaceship, as it were. Remember, this is an insane satanic cult which just happens to control the planet.
Sure his conclusion isn't based on Beyond Communion/The War for Souls: 2012?? Sounds remarkably similar.

[bowtiedaddy]

Don't believe any of this.
I could come with a story like this myself and make it FAR more belieavable.

I think it was the owner of the site, or maybe a CIA disinfo agent.

Doesn't he make the NWO sound so lovely? We'll all laugh and play together about the suffering and mayhem. ho hum.

Such bullshit hahaha.

[bowtiedaddy]

if you peep the fancy stuff he says you'll notice his basic message is the same as the one from the first ''illuminati insider''

this time the package is a lot slicker though so i take it they weren't happy enough with the results they've got from the first insider. so they upped their game a bit.

the elite is here because it's god plan, they give us the tools in order for us to evolve and one day become one with god again.

all the evil they do is justified by this because hey it's the divine plan !

lol.. if i'd be the ruling class it sure comes handy if my slaves believe that nonsense.

hey i just nicked your child and sold it into sex slavery but don't worry mate it's all part of the cosmic plan. i don't really want to do that but i have to.
it's my role in the game you see :rolleyes:

i'll give them that though, they are very good at catchin our feelings by pressing the right buttons and using the right language.

telling us all the fancy ''deeply spiritual'' stuff we wan't to hear.

Yep. The NWO has always had a plan to introduce a new world religion. Maybe this is what they're concocting. Everyone! Kill yourselves! The harvest is here! pffft.

[bowtiedaddy]

Nothing will happen in 2012. See you all in 2013. :D

[sithnemesis]

Nothing will happen in 2012. See you all in 2013. :D

Optimism It's great to be human :D

[sloughi]

The guys not entirely lying. He is merely relaying what was told to him. He have his information wrong but he isn't the only one to state this.
The Age of Waterman is an exciting and wonderful time. Many will not let go of their religions easily and will come to bad ends or death hanging on to their delusions. It is a great time for Prophets, teachers and way prepares. It will be very difficult for them. Most of the teachers will be in the twin sign of Waterman.

The greatest among them will be those born on the first day of the change on Feb. 3, 1937 at 11:00 am. Many others will be born in that coming year. They are, if not influenced since childhood by religions and environment etc.. The actual way prepares and the geniuses of the new time.

[cruise4]

If this was true, why would you WANT to ascend or whatever. Looking forward to the next dose of 'for your own good' on the next level then? Sorry... keep your ascension, keep your heaven, keep your oneness, I want Justice in this world and I want to see it and if that means remaining for another 26,000 years to chase these bastards down once and for all then so be it. I won't abandon the next cycle to this insanity. I also believe this hidden hand to be posting rubbish. It's no-sense.

[michael christopher]

I haven't even bothered to read this whole thread, but I have to comment that I find it hilarious how furiously some people will rail against the truth. Whether you agree with the Lucifer/social-memory-complex aspect or not (and I do not, because negative actions are negative actions, murder is murder, etc. and they imbalance the spectrum) , what the guy says is completely going to happen, and many of you are trying your hardest to make sure you stay in 3rd density for the next 26,000 years.

EDIT: Oh yes, and I know many of you will absolutely rage against this and probably say I'm working for the Illuminati, as seems typical of furious "light"-fascists, but this statement is 100% true and those who deny it are clearly choosing to stay imprisoned here in 3rd density:

"In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here. Understand that, and you will understand the Game."

These people may be sick and disgusting for thinking this way, but the fact of the matter is that we as individuals are responsible for our own reactions, despite how strong the impulse may have been. Extradimensionals and third dimensionals may be able to influence our decisions, but they are not able to make our decisions for us. WE ARE UTTERLY AND ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING OUR OWN MISTAKES. There's no getting out of that.

[1977]

The people on ATS looked at the timestamps when this was posted and realized that whoever posted this was either copying and pasting text or typing at an entirely superhuman rate of speed.

Thus, I would place this in the same category as other channeled material as being utter disinformation. But at the same time, was the poster an actual Illuminati insider who was merely possessed, so to speak, by the entity who typed those messages?

There was a followup in another thread by a certain "JoanTheBlind" where it was stated quite openly that the messages were, in fact, channeled through an entirely different user. So, this raises some interesting questions.

[michael christopher]

Why the heck do you people have to label everything as "TRUTH" or "DISINFORMATION" - how would YOU know?

Instead of making all of these assumptions, people should simply take into consideration all of the information being presented and apply that which is true to their lives, and that which is false to the mental garbage bin.

So that being said, I really have to ask, are there people who think this entire idea is "DISINFORMATION" and if so, WHY?

Because you assume it is disinformation? Because it conflicts with your worldview? Because you hate what is being said?

Isn't there a higher intellectual standard than this that should be held?

Wait, I guess not...

I'm getting sick of this planet. It seems like many people are content to reside in hell, and in fact want to turn up the heat.

[fnulnu]

"In war, how would one stop an invisible tyrant." - ladies and gentlemen this IS! the $64,000.00 question

Cheesewire? :D

[croatiancoffee]

Cheesewire? :D

Paintballs to reveal and then whatever to stop them. Cheesewire could be good.

[croatiancoffee]

I haven't even bothered to read this whole thread, but I have to comment that I find it hilarious how furiously some people will rail against the truth. Whether you agree with the Lucifer/social-memory-complex aspect or not (and I do not, because negative actions are negative actions, murder is murder, etc. and they imbalance the spectrum) , what the guy says is completely going to happen, and many of you are trying your hardest to make sure you stay in 3rd density for the next 26,000 years.

EDIT: Oh yes, and I know many of you will absolutely rage against this and probably say I'm working for the Illuminati, as seems typical of furious "light"-fascists, but this statement is 100% true and those who deny it are clearly choosing to stay imprisoned here in 3rd density:



What exactly is it that you think will happen?
I guess you mean the information from the first post, but please confirm and in your own words....if you dont mind please.

[1977]

Why the heck do you people have to label everything as "TRUTH" or "DISINFORMATION" - how would YOU know?

Instead of making all of these assumptions, people should simply take into consideration all of the information being presented and apply that which is true to their lives, and that which is false to the mental garbage bin.

So that being said, I really have to ask, are there people who think this entire idea is "DISINFORMATION" and if so, WHY?

Because you assume it is disinformation? Because it conflicts with your worldview? Because you hate what is being said?

Isn't there a higher intellectual standard than this that should be held?

Wait, I guess not...

I'm not sure if you were responding to me in particular, but let me rephrase that: deliberate disinformation. And you yourself said, "Whether you agree with the Lucifer/social-memory-complex aspect or not (and I do not, because negative actions are negative actions, murder is murder, etc. and they imbalance the spectrum)." So I fail to see how we are really at any sort of disagreement.

And, moreover, why should we be "harvested" by anyone? Considering the source, is this actually a good thing? Again, should we not hold this to a higher intellectual standard as well?

[size_of_light]

The highest intellectual standard I know of is the bullshit-detector in my own mind, which shot off the scale when I read the OP.

[measle_weasel]

total and utter bullshit

qft

[michael christopher]

What exactly is it that you think will happen?
I guess you mean the information from the first post, but please confirm and in your own words....if you dont mind please.

What he says regarding incarnational cycles and why we remained trapped here in the third density, which he then goes on to correctly imply is a level of "Hell."

I'm not sure if you were responding to me in particular, but let me rephrase that: deliberate disinformation. And you yourself said, "Whether you agree with the Lucifer/social-memory-complex aspect or not (and I do not, because negative actions are negative actions, murder is murder, etc. and they imbalance the spectrum)." So I fail to see how we are really at any sort of disagreement.

And, moreover, why should we be "harvested" by anyone? Considering the source, is this actually a good thing? Again, should we not hold this to a higher intellectual standard as well?

I guess I should explain myself more, my real problem was with the massive, blanket label of "disinformation" that has been applied to everything the guy says. As is typical, because of this ridiculous generalizing label, very important and true information will be thrown out. The same thing happens when something is labeled "new age" - what he is talking about, alchemical principles, are completely true, and I don't think there is anyway to deny how darkness is a catalyst for light or balance.

The higher intellectual standard I am referring to is called discernment, instead of general judgment and the typical discarding of all information, whether it is true or not, because of flaws within the overall document. Everyone is willing to call bullshit when MOST of what the guy talks about is the alchemical process and the incarnational cycles of the human soul.

[metacomet]

Well, I read the entire thread.

I agree with the explanation of Lucifer as a form of consciousness.

I believe Lucifer is the ego and God V.S. Satan is a metaphor. Humanity has lived with the ego and this physical dimension for long enough... we have lived in the kingdom of Lucifer for quite a while. We know it is an illusion but we have a hard time letting go of this reality. We've been here so long that evil itself is starting to unravel and the illusion is forcibly being removed.

Now that 'God' is coming to recollect us we are starting to prepare ourselves and the forces of darkness are struggling to misdirect us.

The dark forces know this and have conscious memory of it happening over and over.

Modern human beings do not know this and have no memory of past cycles except what was left to us in history and ancient religion. We are at the point now where Lucifer has convinced us that even the truth is lies...

[croatiancoffee]

What he says regarding incarnational cycles and why we remained trapped here in the third density, which he then goes on to correctly imply is a level of "Hell."


Thank you for the reply, even if not fully in your own words.

Its information. Could be right, could be wrong. But all I heard is "What the fuck!"

That from the original posting.

I haven't even bothered to read this whole thread, but I have to comment that I find it hilarious how furiously some people will rail against the truth.

What the guy says is completely going to happen, and many of you are trying your hardest to make sure you stay in 3rd density for the next 26,000 years.

Do you learn this stuff in primary school over milk and biscuits like the rest of us, or maybe even high school?
Not taking the piss, but you go with what you have and you cannot knock people for buying into something which just sounds nutty based on what they are used to.

[radcarper]

Hi,
I reposted the entire thread today without knowing it had been up on the forum before. I read the entire document 3 /4 times over the last 24 hours and many, many parts resonate as Truth with me. Other parts of it were new information for me, so it couldn't resonate as my Truth, but perhaps with more study and corroboration I will feel the same and I will incorporate it into my understanding of my Truth.
The most important thing for me is that as an overall understanding of what IS, it fits, there were no parts that stuck out as wrong or discordant, and in this time of awakening the most bizarre seems to be real and the most mundane seems now, to be bizarre.
For me, I found his/her tone uplifting, compassionate, articulate and intelligent and it reinspired me to keep on keeping on, in what, for me, is a pretty lonely and soul trying time.
I respect the right of others to agree or disagree with anything that is stated as Truth but I think you should take what fits and disregard the rest, not slag it off, just disregard it.
Thanks to all and this forum for the right to be just what you are, I choose humanity and love, whatever that means, and will keep studying, learning and practising till the fat lady sings.
Love and light
radcarper

[1977]

The higher intellectual standard I am referring to is called discernment, instead of general judgment and the typical discarding of all information, whether it is true or not, because of flaws within the overall document. Everyone is willing to call bullshit when MOST of what the guy talks about is the alchemical process and the incarnational cycles of the human soul.
I am not quite sure what you mean by alchemical process, per se. But a lot of the Illuminati and New Age ethos, I think, seems designed to make you polarize towards one side or the other. It does not really matter which side you choose, as long as you continue to focus on the world-illusion.

This is why the first Illuminati insider, from several years ago, said that by obsessing over the political machinations of the New World Order, you actually help bring it to life. Because the true New World Order is nothing else than the complete and total imprisonment of souls in this Matrix.

And this is also why I am skeptical of anything that relates to the Ra material. Wasn't Ra the sun god? And as I mentioned in the Hermes thread, is the Sun not the Light-Aspect of the Demiurge, the great Archon himself? (Of course, Ra himself says that he is the "social memory complex" of Venus.) And is not a "harvest" something done to food? I hope that at least gives you some explanation for my views.

[radcarper]

The way I see this at the present:
The third dimension illusion that I find myself in is created by the light wave, which in itself is an illusion but an illusion of polarity. To understand a single light wave is to understand the illusion, knowledge is power and that is all I got.

[1977]

The way I see this at the present:
The third dimension illusion that I find myself in is created by the light wave, which in itself is an illusion but an illusion of polarity. To understand a single light wave is to understand the illusion, knowledge is power and that is all I got.
Yes, the original Insider also said, "The shape of a Pyramid yes, but people forgot the underground chamber. The Top of the Pyramid is not the top." The underground, I would speculate, being the Magical underpinnings of this Matrix of illusion--something you very rarely see any of these researchers talk about.

[michael christopher]

I am not quite sure what you mean by alchemical process, per se. But a lot of the Illuminati and New Age ethos, I think, seems designed to make you polarize towards one side or the other. It does not really matter which side you choose, as long as you continue to focus on the world-illusion.

I do not polarize toward one side or the other, and I realize the way which darkness works within light and vice versa in order to achieve balance in the universe. I agree with this guy in relation to the alchemical process, and how darkness is a necessary catalyst for light. I don't agree or endorse his methods, but I know for a fact that if the "Illuminati" wasn't trying to pull this off someone else would be, because in 3D the strong eat the weak. He is just eloquently explaining what is going to happen, or nearly happen. I don't think he is trying to polarize anyone - I think he is revealing that darkness is a necessary part of the universe, in addition to light.

This is why the first Illuminati insider, from several years ago, said that by obsessing over the political machinations of the New World Order, you actually help bring it to life. Because the true New World Order is nothing else than the complete and total imprisonment of souls in this Matrix.

I agree with that.

And this is also why I am skeptical of anything that relates to the Ra material. Wasn't Ra the sun god? And as I mentioned in the Hermes thread, is the Sun not the Light-Aspect of the Demiurge, the great Archon himself?

The sun is just the sun. It represents many ideas. What I find so hilarious about people who are critical of the sun as a metaphysical symbol, and who think everything connected to the sun is Satanic is, could you think for a second and realize that the sun is the source of all life and thus all knowledge? Perhaps the sun has dark aspects which work through light, the same as everything else on this planet.

(Of course, Ra himself says that he is the "social memory complex" of Venus.) And is not a "harvest" something done to food? I hope that at least gives you some explanation for my views.

That's interesting that he says he is the social memory complex of Venus, since Venus is the creation planet for 4D reptilian archetypes.

Also, a harvest is something done to food. It could be said that we harvest the food we eat - meat and all. We are currently fed on by 4D archetypal energies and that is a typical, inevitable part of the 3D experience, at least for now. In this sense, we are constantly thought of as an energy source - so yes, we are being harvested. Constantly.

This guy who wrote the article in the first place is clearly drawing on some 4D archetypal energy, and even if he's "making it up" that's still creating power out of nothing, even if it's psychological only to him - I mean, 4D archetypes are 4D archetypes, they are all imaginary anyway. He is clearly a dark person with a negative bent, but he is explaining the place of darkness in the universe and in the process revealing what (he thinks) is the Illuminati's 2012 endgame plan in the process. Why are people going to assume he's lying? What if he's just speaking from his own perspective and explaining how he believes the universe to be? Is there not valuable information in his commentary?

[size_of_light]

The sun is just the sun. It represents many ideas. What I find so hilarious about people who are critical of the sun as a metaphysical symbol, and who think everything connected to the sun is Satanic is, could you think for a second and realize that the sun is the source of all life and thus all knowledge? Perhaps the sun has dark aspects which work through light, the same as everything else on this planet.


Very true.

[radcarper]

Yes, the original Insider also said, "The shape of a Pyramid yes, but people forgot the underground chamber. The Top of the Pyramid is not the top." The underground, I would speculate, being the Magical underpinnings of this Matrix of illusion--something you very rarely see any of these researchers talk about.

I am sure you are familiar with sacred geometry, if so, and bearing in mind my previous post on polarity, then the visible is controlled by the invisible. So the visible pyramid is only the base and would require the "docking" for want of a better word of an inverse pyramid, thereby making the centre of the two interlocking pyramids the seat of power for the 3d Matrix. Are you familiar with the work of Walter Russell or Nassim Haramein?

[1977]

I do not polarize toward one side or the other, and I realize the way which darkness works within light and vice versa in order to achieve balance in the universe. I agree with this guy in relation to the alchemical process, and how darkness is a necessary catalyst for light. I don't agree or endorse his methods, but I know for a fact that if the "Illuminati" wasn't trying to pull this off someone else would be, because in 3D the strong eat the weak. He is just eloquently explaining what is going to happen, or nearly happen. I don't think he is trying to polarize anyone - I think he is revealing that darkness is a necessary part of the universe, in addition to light.
I fail to see why darkness is necessary, except by those who wish to divide the universe into polarities. Why can't it simply be, or, better yet, as Basilides said, simply Not-Be (Oukon)?

And yes, I realize that by saying that darkness is unnecessary, I am ironically advocating a sort of dualism. But life's funny that way--it never makes sense.
The sun is just the sun. It represents many ideas. What I find so hilarious about people who are critical of the sun as a metaphysical symbol, and who think everything connected to the sun is Satanic is, could you think for a second and realize that the sun is the source of all life and thus all knowledge? Perhaps the sun has dark aspects which work through light, the same as everything else on this planet.
It creates life, but everything that lives must die. Thus why, esoterically, it is also connected with Cain--the first murderer. Nothing "satanic" here; just one of many ideas it represents.
Also, a harvest is something done to food. It could be said that we harvest the food we eat - meat and all. We are currently fed on by 4D archetypal energies and that is a typical, inevitable part of the 3D experience, at least for now. In this sense, we are constantly thought of as an energy source - so yes, we are being harvested. Constantly.
Sounds like a bad deal if you ask me.
He is clearly a dark person with a negative bent, but he is explaining the place of darkness in the universe and in the process revealing what (he thinks) is the Illuminati's 2012 endgame plan in the process. Why are people going to assume he's lying? What if he's just speaking from his own perspective and explaining how he believes the universe to be? Is there not valuable information in his commentary?
It is perhaps valuable for telling what he believes to be true, but this seems to only confirm that the Illuminati themselves suffer from a rather extreme form of derangement. At the very least, one should suspect ulterior motives at work.
I am sure you are familiar with sacred geometry, if so, and bearing in mind my previous post on polarity, then the visible is controlled by the invisible. So the visible pyramid is only the base and would require the "docking" for want of a better word of an inverse pyramid, thereby making the centre of the two interlocking pyramids the seat of power for the 3d Matrix. Are you familiar with the work of Walter Russell or Nassim Haramein?
Not as familiar as I should be, really. What you say recalls to mind the infernal Qliphothic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qliphoth) tree, consisting "of 10 spheres in opposition to the sephiroth on the Tree of Life." (But Kabbalah is another subject I don't know nearly enough about.)

[michael christopher]

I fail to see why darkness is necessary, except by those who wish to divide the universe into polarities. Why can't it simply be, or, better yet, as Basilides said, simply Not-Be (Oukon)?

And yes, I realize that by saying that darkness is unnecessary, I am ironically advocating a sort of dualism. But life's funny that way--it never makes sense.

Duality is not something that was created by design, it is something that occurred and must be overcome. No one divided the universe into anything except human beings with free will. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. As good people get better, bad people get worse. The universe has multiple personality disorder - or at least, we as human beings seem to. It can only be overcome by conscious attainment of knowledge.

It creates life, but everything that lives must die. Thus why, esoterically, it is also connected with Cain--the first murderer. Nothing "satanic" here; just one of many ideas it represents.

Nothing really dies, though.

Sounds like a bad deal if you ask me.

We don't get to choose, it's already happening and always has been happening, at least as long as we have recorded history. The archons created everything we believe, and funny enough, we created the archons. Another one of those funny paradoxes...

It is perhaps valuable for telling what he believes to be true, but this seems to only confirm that the Illuminati themselves suffer from a rather extreme form of derangement. At the very least, one should suspect ulterior motives at work.

They are deranged. That doesn't mean he is lying about everything.

[siphon880di]

Radcarper, you should talk to my friend from Connecticut. He's seen reptilians and believes that the NWO is using sacred geometry on us. He's researching on the geometry right now. Go on youtube and look up his profile: Coolrog0705. Tell him that you know about the sacred geometry as well. He knows my username Siphon.

[1977]

Duality is not something that was created by design, it is something that occurred and must be overcome. No one divided the universe into anything except human beings with free will. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. As good people get better, bad people get worse. The universe has multiple personality disorder - or at least, we as human beings seem to. It can only be overcome by conscious attainment of knowledge.
Agreed--this world came about through a mistake. And to quote Philip K. Dick, "We did not fall because of a moral error; we fell because of an intellectual error: that of taking the phenomenal world as real. Therefore we are morally innocent. It is the Empire in its various disguised polyforms which tells us we have sinned."
Nothing really dies, though.
That's the illusion of it all! The killing joke--the biggest ever told.
We don't get to choose, it's already happening and always has been happening, at least as long as we have recorded history. The archons created everything we believe, and funny enough, we created the archons. Another one of those funny paradoxes...
Again, agreed--the corrupt priesthoods created an Archontic egregore. People might diss Richard Dawkins, but he wasn't very far off the mark when he classified religions as memes that infect society. To quote the Gospel of Philip, "men make gods and worship their creation. It would be fitting for the gods to worship men!"
They are deranged. That doesn't mean he is lying about everything.
Agreed.

[bowtiedaddy]

If this was true, why would you WANT to ascend or whatever. Looking forward to the next dose of 'for your own good' on the next level then? Sorry... keep your ascension, keep your heaven, keep your oneness, I want Justice in this world and I want to see it and if that means remaining for another 26,000 years to chase these bastards down once and for all then so be it. I won't abandon the next cycle to this insanity. I also believe this hidden hand to be posting rubbish. It's no-sense.

project blue beam. It's to get all of the people who won't buy into christianity or alien abduction to run toward the rapture with open arms.

[bowtiedaddy]

Hey, if these guys don't like living in the physical world, there are many people who I'm sure wouldn't mind... ummm... helping them out on that. Open up the hospitals for the criminally insane and let them loose on the illuminists. They'll be "one with Lucifer" in no time.

[bowtiedaddy]

Modern human beings do not know this and have no memory of past cycles except what was left to us in history and ancient religion. We are at the point now where Lucifer has convinced us that even the truth is lies...

First of all, I do believe that reincarnation is a very plausible possibility. Don't think that I'm criticizing long held beliefs of that sort. I'm talking about all of this new age, 2012, becoming one with Lucifer in the harvest crap.

And why would this be? Isn't it funny how mysterious everyone takes ancient culture just because it's different. I'm sure if archeologists dug our civilization up, they would think we were up to strange mystical keys to the universe as well. How do you know that they weren't just as idiotic then? How do you know that they really KNEW anything and weren't just


...I dunno....


MAKING SHIT UP to CONTROL THE POPULATION.

This new bullshit smells like the New World Religion to me. Everyone! The cycle is coming! Don't fight against it! You'll go to happy land where we'll all have tea and snuggle after "the harvest", The big beam will obliterate human life... buuuuut. The people who don't die will...... not realize that anything has happened, and life will go on as usual... Come on, now. How do you even know half this shit is even ancient knowledge? A lot can be planted in a few hundred years. Remember 1984? They were editing all of the literature and art to change history. It's what is always done. Then, they make up a bullshit religion for the ruling class twits to follow and do their will without thinking or feeling, and they sit back and enjoy owning the entire planet.

Reincarnation is probably real, but I tell you. I SERIOUSLY doubt that anything will happen, unless a bunch of maniacs in the illuminati cause it to happen. The Mayans simply had a cyclical time structure. That's all it was. The NWO have been convincing people of doomsday scenarios that were "imminent" for thousands of years. It's been the "end of time", "end of days", "revelation", "end of the world" according to people who are connected to these cults for millennia.


Big question. If the end is near, why don't they just sit back and let it happen? They could just let the system collapse and they'd get their hoodoo voodoo negative polarity pseudo spirituality, and they wouldn't need a New World Order at all...

Or... It could just be that they're doing exactly what they said they would... creating threats from beyond to scare us into submission, and then they are carrying out psi ops to the conspiracy community to make us go... oh, I guess they were right. How much are you willing to bet, they'll just throw us in camps, nuke them...and then we'll die thinking "the light" has come to take us to our "soul group". Fuck that. It's bullshit. I'm very intuitive naturally, and it feels VERY VERY wrong. It sounds well thought out, but hell, this could have been what they've been working on in the pentagon since the 60s... they twist a beautiful concept and make it profane. How like them to do that.

2012, according to differences in calenders, happened in 2008. Did you enjoy "the harvest"? The galactic alignment happened in 1998, and we're now moving out of it. A pole shift isn't going to happen in a day, global warming isn't occurring, We've always had the same probability of a killer astroid wiping out the planet-our awareness of it doesn't make it any more likely. The bunkers underground aren't to do with anything other than to escape if things get too out of hand. They're nuclear bunkers. They're probably to hide from us, if humanity wakes up enough to collectively hunt them down.

I know that there is a lot more than meets the eye. I agree with that. I know that they are manipulating us from realizing our real potential. Just because there is more, doesn't mean than ANYTHING that is more than reality automatically becomes the truth. Just the same as how not all conspiracy theories are true (such as one I heard that nobody actually died in 9/11 and it was all CGI, and that UFOs *cough*surveillance blimps*cough* were watching the inauguration.

[sloughi]

Using the moniker "Hidden Hand," he gave a convincing explanation of the demented Cabalistic beliefs motivating the Illuminati. He described how they find this world consciousness ("Third Density") to be "very constricting and uncomfortable" and want to be united again with Lucifer ("the One," the "Creator.") This will require them to stage an apocalyptic human sacrifice ("harvest of souls") in 2012.

3rd Dimension?
4th Dimension?
Nobody is doubting the existing of these dimensions. Of course we live in the 3rd and are influenced by 4D entities, but my thing is that the people debating this are to 1 dimensional. People are quicklys saying "I can't wait", "We will evolve", "Our spiritual minds will grow" and etc. The others are so doom and gloom that they are not looking at the hypothetical scenarios. Let me explain something. To start off with, how good can this POSSIBLY be???? The guy above clearly states that there WILL be mass DEATHS. Not selective murders, just a mass destruction with the claim "the good will survive." That's like dropping off some teens in the Death Valley and saying "if God loves you, then you will survive!"
The disinformationalist are the worst damn ones because rather than trying to figure it out they just argue against it outright. Before you call him a lie look at his words. He says that the mass deaths will occur to reunite people with Lucifer. By his words that the Ill' find this world to constricting actually mean that they would have to die to be in a fmore flexible state. Now, look at this. If the Earth is moving into another spectrum then we will be in a higher dimnsion anyway. But this is not enough, but an apocalyptic event is the way.
The twisted part is that with all the undergrouind cities built I know he is not reporting the truth. Not lying. He is saying what he had been told but it's not accurate. If they want to reunite with Lucifer why not ban together and kill themselves? Humans will possibly die so that the Terrans can take over the planet as they had before. The Illuminati see the orld as a crowded quagmire anyway and recieve orders from the advanced beings so they don't mind much anyway. It's nothing to smile about like the happy-go-lucky fools thinking they'll suddenly be psychic.
At the "Harvest" evolved souls will enter the "Fourth Density" with the Illuminati and enjoy a "Golden Age," while everyone else's soul will be transported to a "replica earth" where they will continue to "work on themselves." The scenario is reminiscent of the "Left Behind" series where Christians suddenly disappear into heaven, and non-believers are left behind to face the Tribulation. I don't think this is a coincidence.
Dude. To to this they would have to kill EVERYONE. The good will make it and the ones that aren't good won't go to Hell, they'll have all eternity to work on themselves. You know what's even stranger. He said the good souls will enter the 4D world. As a ghost everyone would be in the 4th Dimension! He uses words like another Earth. What ghost would need another Earth? Water Oxygen and the Sun are not the needs for spirits. Plus, how could anyone POSSIBLY beleive the good will make it by this scvenario? If the illuminati are the good guys. How is good and bad determined.
There's something to what he is saying, it's just distorted. The others will be seving the Suriuan spirits.

[lizzy]

First of all, I do believe that reincarnation is a very plausible possibility. Don't think that I'm criticizing long held beliefs of that sort. I'm talking about all of this new age, 2012, becoming one with Lucifer in the harvest crap.

And why would this be? Isn't it funny how mysterious everyone takes ancient culture just because it's different. I'm sure if archeologists dug our civilization up, they would think we were up to strange mystical keys to the universe as well. How do you know that they weren't just as idiotic then? How do you know that they really KNEW anything and weren't just


...I dunno....


MAKING SHIT UP to CONTROL THE POPULATION.

This new bullshit smells like the New World Religion to me. Everyone! The cycle is coming! Don't fight against it! You'll go to happy land where we'll all have tea and snuggle after "the harvest", The big beam will obliterate human life... buuuuut. The people who don't die will...... not realize that anything has happened, and life will go on as usual... Come on, now. How do you even know half this shit is even ancient knowledge? A lot can be planted in a few hundred years. Remember 1984? They were editing all of the literature and art to change history. It's what is always done. Then, they make up a bullshit religion for the ruling class twits to follow and do their will without thinking or feeling, and they sit back and enjoy owning the entire planet.

Reincarnation is probably real, but I tell you. I SERIOUSLY doubt that anything will happen, unless a bunch of maniacs in the illuminati cause it to happen. The Mayans simply had a cyclical time structure. That's all it was. The NWO have been convincing people of doomsday scenarios that were "imminent" for thousands of years. It's been the "end of time", "end of days", "revelation", "end of the world" according to people who are connected to these cults for millennia.


Big question. If the end is near, why don't they just sit back and let it happen? They could just let the system collapse and they'd get their hoodoo voodoo negative polarity pseudo spirituality, and they wouldn't need a New World Order at all...

Or... It could just be that they're doing exactly what they said they would... creating threats from beyond to scare us into submission, and then they are carrying out psi ops to the conspiracy community to make us go... oh, I guess they were right. How much are you willing to bet, they'll just throw us in camps, nuke them...and then we'll die thinking "the light" has come to take us to our "soul group". Fuck that. It's bullshit. I'm very intuitive naturally, and it feels VERY VERY wrong. It sounds well thought out, but hell, this could have been what they've been working on in the pentagon since the 60s... they twist a beautiful concept and make it profane. How like them to do that.

2012, according to differences in calenders, happened in 2008. Did you enjoy "the harvest"? The galactic alignment happened in 1998, and we're now moving out of it. A pole shift isn't going to happen in a day, global warming isn't occurring, We've always had the same probability of a killer astroid wiping out the planet-our awareness of it doesn't make it any more likely. The bunkers underground aren't to do with anything other than to escape if things get too out of hand. They're nuclear bunkers. They're probably to hide from us, if humanity wakes up enough to collectively hunt them down.

I know that there is a lot more than meets the eye. I agree with that. I know that they are manipulating us from realizing our real potential. Just because there is more, doesn't mean than ANYTHING that is more than reality automatically becomes the truth. Just the same as how not all conspiracy theories are true (such as one I heard that nobody actually died in 9/11 and it was all CGI, and that UFOs *cough*surveillance blimps*cough* were watching the inauguration.

great post thanks :)

[measle_weasel]

If the illuminati are the good guys. How is good and bad determined

Lots of people on this board and the new age community apparently dont believe in good and bad, and think duality is some type of illusion, or error. This message is aimed at those people, who will just gobble it up and praise lucifer as their savior who wants to help them "evolve" and become more "one". It seems to me that most people who believe they are "enlightened" by denouncing duality and promoting the whole new-age "oneness" tenet, along with most of the other new-age crap that doesnt have any basis in reality, are really nothing more than gullible, caught up in a flashy deception that might ultimately be nothing more than the NWR.

Evils greatest feat is making humanity believe that it does not exist. With no good and no bad, people will flock to whatever subjectively sounds the best to them, without regard to any objective truth. Its about instant gratification.

I dont know if "hidden hand" is anyone really important, or if some entity was "channeled" through hidden hand, it doesnt really matter. Some of what this person says sounds possibly plausible, but like someone else posted, its nothing new, its been said before, its just packaged differently with a couple twists, and sold as new.

Again, ss some have posted before, I think its mostly bullshit, and none of it can actually be proven to any acceptable degree, except to the very gullible, who, unfortunetly, are most of the people who believe in the "new-age".

[logan 5]

I detected a lot of what " The Secret "..that was in Hidden Hand's message..

[thenewhero2012]

can anyone tell me is this disinfo or what....
i spoke with my brother about dream he had...he told me he had this dream
where he was talking with some entity on big stadium...the entity told him
that our sins or the negativity will destroy us...everything will come out from goal...maybe rik clay was right about london 2012...maybe we just need to think
more positive


***be the change you want to see in the world***

[measle_weasel]

can anyone tell me is this disinfo or what....
i spoke with my brother about dream he had...he told me he had this dream
where he was talking with some entity on big stadium...the entity told him
that our sins or the negativity will destroy us...everything will come out from goal...maybe rik clay was right about london 2012...maybe we just need to think
more positive


***be the change you want to see in the world***

Or act more positive. I think that would have more of an effect.

[bowtiedaddy]

can anyone tell me is this disinfo or what....
i spoke with my brother about dream he had...he told me he had this dream
where he was talking with some entity on big stadium...the entity told him
that our sins or the negativity will destroy us...everything will come out from goal...maybe rik clay was right about london 2012...maybe we just need to think
more positive


***be the change you want to see in the world***

I really, truly, believe this is disinfo.

As far as negativity, sure.. I can agree. Negativity is a bad thing... Positivity can be a healing force, for yourself and others... but do I think it'll make some big beam come to earth to destroy it, by the bidding of some guy who lives in the center of the earth, who quotes CIA funded publicly available spiritualist theory books as if they were Illuminati insider information, and claims to actually KNOW all of the secrets of the universe? No.

The "harvest" has been imminent for thousands of years. Unless human beings do something catistrophic, nothing at all will happen in 2012.

[bowtiedaddy]

By the way. No, the illuminati are NOT the good guys. There IS such a thing as good and bad. Even a fucking rat knows that. The Illuminati would love us to believe that they are wonderful and there is no such thing as wrong. We'll just rejoice and dance as they plow us down and laugh their fucking heads off.

Yeah right.

Here's a paradox for you. According to this nutty Hidden Hand CIA agent: They need to be negative to "achieve negative polarity" If, right and wrong, positive or negative didn't exist...there would be no such thing as polarity. Polarity is an opposite concept to relativism.

[measle_weasel]

By the way. No, the illuminati are NOT the good guys. There IS such a thing as good and bad. Even a fucking rat knows that. The Illuminati would love us to believe that they are wonderful and there is no such thing as wrong. We'll just rejoice and dance as they plow us down and laugh their fucking heads off.

Yeah right.

Here's a paradox for you. According to this nutty Hidden Hand CIA agent: They need to be negative to "achieve negative polarity" If, right and wrong, positive or negative didn't exist...there would be no such thing as polarity. Polarity is an opposite concept to relativism.

The entire new-age is based on paradox. One more isnt going to phase those believers in the new-age religion :)

[whoami]

I read this whole thing around a month ago on abovetopsecret, it was extreamly long. Anyway, I do think it had a lot of good info in it, but it was obviously weaved together with bad info.

I am not religous, but it did bother me that the guy, "hidden hand", who wrote it, claimed to be evil or negative (I'm not sure how he worded it), and he refered to lucifer on several occasions.

So, as with anything, take the jewls, and leave the rest:)

[sloughi]

maybe rik clay was right about london 2012...maybe we just need to think
more positive


***be the change you want to see in the world***You mean more vulnerable?

[jesuitsdidit]

Illuminati Reveal Crazy Apocalyptic Agenda

December 31, 2008
Henry Makow Ph.D.

"Thrust in your sickle and reap, for the time has come for you to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." Revelations 14:15


The world may soon resemble Jonestown if a sick Illuminati plan to "harvest" souls in 2012 comes to pass. For a week in October, a person claiming to be a "generational member of a Ruling Bloodline family" answered questions on abovetopsecret forum .

Using the moniker "Hidden Hand," he gave a convincing explanation of the demented Cabalistic beliefs motivating the Illuminati. He described how they find this world consciousness ("Third Density") to be "very constricting and uncomfortable" and want to be united again with Lucifer ("the One," the "Creator.") This will require them to stage an apocalyptic human sacrifice ("harvest of souls") in 2012.

The background according to "Hidden Hand" is this: Yahweh had been running a "benign dictatorship" in the Garden of Eden. He made a pact with the Luciferians (Illuminati) to introduce evil into the world, so man will have Free Will to choose between right and wrong, and thus evolve spiritually. Yahweh didn't expect man would choose evil. As result, the Illuminati rule the world but now find it a tedious place. They intend to create the intense evil (selfishness, "negative polarity") required for them to rendezvous with their spaceship, as it were. Remember, this is an insane satanic cult which just happens to control the planet.

At the "Harvest" evolved souls will enter the "Fourth Density" with the Illuminati and enjoy a "Golden Age," while everyone else's soul will be transported to a "replica earth" where they will continue to "work on themselves." The scenario is reminiscent of the "Left Behind" series where Christians suddenly disappear into heaven, and non-believers are left behind to face the Tribulation. I don't think this is a coincidence.

MANDATORY: NIKE RUNNING SHOES

In an excerpt from over 60 pages, "Hidden Hand" says:

"Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time when the Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as "Nibiru. Read up on the Mayan Prophesies and Calendrical events for more detail upon how the actual Galactic and Universal Cycles work."

"There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvest approaches. You will see wind speeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater....San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. Again, it depends upon certain 'forces' at play, and which time lines are activated. Humanity, though utterly unconscious of the fact, has a significant part to play in this. You (as a collective consciousness of the planet) are choosing the Negative Polarization by default, by the quality of your thoughts and actions. Thought is creative energy, focused. You get exactly what you put out."

Decide for yourself whether this information is valid. It fits into the puzzle picture I have assembled about a long-term Cabalist plan to deliberately fulfill prophesy and initiate an apocalypse. For example, "Historian Demands Action on Powerful Doomsday Cults," "What Every Jew and Non-Jew Should Know," "Independent Historian Unveils Cabala Conspiracy,"
and "Illuminati Rebel Issues Dire Warning."

"Hidden Hand" explains:

"The End of this [26,000 year] Cycle, heralds literally, a New World Age, and a New Creation. A new Heaven, and a new Earth, and is the time of the Great Harvest. Smaller Cycles yield a Harvest, and then life continues on the planet as normal. Great Cycles yield a Great Harvest, and the end of current life on the 3rd Density. See it as a kind of 'Cosmic jet wash' and deep clean, while the planet takes a rest and regenerates herself.. When this Life-Cycle Ends, "All things will pass away, and All things shall be made new".

"So, December 21, 2012 AD, is not the day where all of a sudden the lights go out, and everything will suddenly change, rather, we are NOW in the process of this transition, from one World Age to the next. The changes are underway and will continue steadily accelerating as we head towards the culminating date. The 26,000 year cycle is composed of 5 lesser cycles, each of which are 5,125 years in duration. Each of these 5 cycles is considered its own World Age or Creation Cycle. Our present great cycle (3113 B.C. - 2012 A.D.) is called the Age of the Fifth Sun."

"If we do not have a Negative Harvest, we are bound with you for another cycle....We need a Negative Harvest, so that we can create our 4th Density Earth, and clear our Karmic Record..."

EVIL IS "FOR YOUR OWN GOOD" ( i.e. EVIL IS GOOD)

"Hidden Hand" says the Illuminati create "War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more," for our own good.

"In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here. Understand that, and you will understand the Game."

"Understand, that we HAVE to be Negative. That's what we were sent here to be. It is our contract, and it has always been to help you, by providing the "Catalyst" I spoke of earlier. Being Negative is very hard for us, not on a physical level, (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we're programmed that way), but on a Spiritual level, it is hard. We surpassed the lowly negative vibrations eons ago. We are Light, and we are Love. It is a very hard thing for us to do Spiritually, to create all this Negativity, but we do it because we love you, and it is for your highest good, ultimately. You could say, that it is our Sacrifice that we have made, in order to be of Service to the One Infinite Creator, and to you, our Brothers and Sisters in the One."

Just so there is no doubt whom the Illuminati worship: "Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer" and "Bright and Morning Star". Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density, which in effect, means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). In appearance, were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being, the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or, when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration, we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'."

"Hidden Hand" says the media plays a major role in creating the negative meme and making us unwitting collaborators.

"Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), in your hypnotized comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state your planet is in today. You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served up for you on your televisions that you are addicted to, violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news', fear and 'terror'. When was the last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is, because of your collective thoughts about it. You are complicit in your inaction, every time you 'look the other way' when you see an injustice. Your 'thought' at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Creator, is your allowance of these things to occur. In so doing, you are serving our purpose."


CABALA

The Illuminati dogma is pure Cabalism (Occultism) which sees chaos and destruction as a prerequisite to change. The Creator as "sparks" trapped in our bodies which requires that the world be smashed in order to release Him. "Hidden Hand" tells forum members:

"You are indeed what you call "Divine Souls"; you are sparks or seeds of The One Infinite Creator. You are Life Itself (Light), remembering and learning who you really are (we came here to help you to do this) and yes, currently, you are trapped (or more accurately "Quarantined") within the 'matter' of this planet you call Earth."

"You can thank your Creator Yahweh for that. You are the 'offspring' or individuations of his Group Soul (or Social Memory Complex). Macrocosmically speaking, you ARE Yahweh. The 'Karmic' effect of his imprisoning us in his Astral Planes, also has an impact upon you. I cannot be more specific on this, without impinging on the Law of Confusion. You must work it out for yourselves."

For an evil do-er, "Hidden Hand" spent most of his time coaching forum members on avoiding the Illuminati traps and listening to their "inner voice" so they will be released from the wheel of reincarnation during the "Great Harvest."

"You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, is indication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is very likely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to an understanding, of why you are here. You are fast running out of time to do so, before the coming Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat the cycle."

By the end of the week, most of the forum members are eating out of the guru's hidden hand. The exceptions are, ironically, a "lower level mason" who accuses him of rehashing New Age Theology. The guru acknowledges that the "Ra Material" and "the Law of One" are 85-90% accurate. He says the "Ra Material" is "very similar to the knowledge my Family has, and have passed down for many many generations."

A Christian reader correctly sees "an elaborate ruse to 'make the devil look good.' I don't think there are many conservative Christians that would be able see the difference between the biblical Lucifer and the Lucifer you purport to be a part of."

But she asks for his advice in overcoming this obstacle.


NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE ILLUMINATI

"Hidden Hand" claims to belong to one of 13 Bloodlines that have ruled the world from the dawn of time. They are "Houses" performing functions like organs in a body, which is the "Family" united in the common cause. They all have an area of specialty: Military, Government, Spiritual, Scholarship, Leadership, and Sciences. They hold key positions in all of these main areas. With the addition of a complicit Media machine and ownership of Financial establishments, all bases are covered.

Writing in Oct, he said a certain faction wanted to call off the US election. "If nothing happens to Obama, he will win. Remember, behind the scenes, there is only One Party. Our Party. 'Democracy' is an illusion which is created to uphold your slavery. Whichever side 'wins'; the Family wins. There are many possibilities and alternative 'scripts'. All of them lead toward the ultimate implementation of the overall blueprint of our Creator" [i.e. Lucifer.]

He says he is only a "regional" leader (as opposed to national or international) but his information is that, barring "unforeseen disruptions" there will be "a new currency by the end of 2008 / early 2009, along with a new Union of nations. January has been spoken of in some circles, as the latest, though there are plans underway which could even bring this to fruition much earlier than initially hoped for. It depends upon the results of other upcoming events as to how this will play out."

Asked if "911" was the creation of a "star gate," he replied, "No, it was a Ritual Human Sacrifice. That, and the obvious catalyst for the so-called 'War on Terror'."

He confirms that "Svali" was "a part of the Family, at the lower levels, from the German Lines I believe. As I understand, she did reveal a lot of truth about the lower levels, but she was only Regional Level in the Earth Lines, so not that high. She certainly would not have had anything like the "bigger picture."

He says the Rothschilds etc. belong to "earth-based" bloodlines. "The Earth lines are not aware of the entire picture. They themselves are not of our Lucifer Group Soul, and as far as they are aware, they are out to 'rule the world', to Control and Enslave, and create as much Suffering and Negativity as is humanly possible. That's what they 'get out of the deal'. World Domination. You'd have to say with that in mind, they're doing a great job. But one of the things they don't know or understand, is that our (Venusian Power Lines) agenda, is ultimately for the Highest Good of all concerned, in providing you with the Catalyst. If they were aware of this Truth, there is a slight risk that they would not have done their jobs properly, and they would miss out on joining us in our 95% Negative Harvest. They are aware of the Harvest, and the need for them to attain the 95%, to get out of 3rd Density, and that is all the motivation they need to help us achieve our ultimate aims".

jonestown.jpgILLUMINATI STRUCTURE

"Starting at the bottom level, you have what we call "Local Cell Groups" or "Family Clusters". There will be anything from say five to thirty or so of these, depending upon the size of the town or city in question. Each Local area has it's own Council, comprised of Local Leaders representing the Six Disciplines of learning. There is also either a High Priest or High Priestess of The Order, who Serves their local community."

"Above this, you have the Regional Council, with the Leader of each Local Council representing their specific areas. Then the National Council, in the same vein, with the Leaders of the Regional Councils sitting to represent their Regions."

"Then you have the Supreme World Council above them all, with the National Leaders representing their Countries. Above this, is another group I cannot mention, who liaise with the "Hidden Hands."

"Then above this, there are many other levels of Leadership, purely from the Power Lines (the ones that are not of this planet.) The Supreme World Council, only know as much as is "Handed" down to them from us."

"In our Power Lines, we have a similar structure, with Local and Regional groups etc, though most of us are living in entirely 'different' types of communities than you would understand. All I shall say is that we are not "surface dwellers."

CONCLUSION: OUR SURVIVAL IS AT STAKE

In his own terms, "Hidden Hand" is credible but I regard him as insane, pretending to purity and talking about "service to others" while wreaking incalculable misery and mayhem on humanity. He offers invaluable insight into the hypocritical Illuminati mindset, always dressing their evil in pretensions of public service. For example, Communism is Satanism posing as working class rebellion.

To inflict so much suffering and depravity under the pretext of "testing" mankind and furthering evolution is preposterous. Aren't there enough tests in life without the Illuminati's hidden hand on the scale? If instead the Illuminati had exercised a positive influence, spiritual evolution would have taken place at an amazing pace. Retarding human evolution, not advancing it, is their real agenda. They want us to be their cattle.

I believe the harbor is best reached by setting your course and avoiding the rocks. In contrast, the Illuminati steer the vessel onto the rocks, as many times as it takes to sink it. This sick Cabalistic dogma is behind the blank gaze of our politicians and newscasters.

It's time to admit that humanity is under constant stealth attack by a sadistic and dangerous Satanic cult. Obviously, it is well organized and funded and has subverted every institution.

It's time we set aside occultism and used common sense. It's time we adopted simple morality, as in "Do Unto Others as You Would have Them do Unto You."

Unless we wrest control of this planet from the Illuminati, we are doomed, like Rev. Jones' followers at Jonestown. And we will deserve our fate. Hidden Hand is right. "You are complicit in your inaction, every time you 'look the other way' when you see an injustice." Let's be "Service Oriented" and reject the Illuminati -- their phony terror, fascist government and Satanic religion.Let's throw their kool-aid in their face.
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Note: Two years ago (Jan. 2007) Illuminati defector Leo Zagami issued this warning:

"The cosmic alignment on the 21st of December 2012 gives you 6 years to prepare... So its about time you all wake up and fight for your right to stay free under one God before they take complete control and start persecuting the true believers in the one God. ...Get your swords and get ready to fight to defend your faith or perish...This is a war against Satan so please wake up in the western countries or you might wake up in a nightmare one morning in December 2012."

"From 2010 you will start feeling the big changes in the air more and more but in 2012 you will have the clear evidence of the end of this civilization in front of your eyes....the total NAZIFICATION of the western countries by 2010 before the economic situation starts to badly crack for everyone. Then social tension will hit a peak never seen before and internal conflicts could eventually become in 2012: CIVIL WAR!"


Svali- The Illuminati in America

http://www.henrymakow.com/the_cabalist_plan_to_harvest_y.html

[jesuitsdidit]

interesting?

[bowtiedaddy]

eh... I think that a lot of these new "defectors" are a psi op. The reality is, there is no alignment in 2012, other than visual. If anything happens in 2012, it will be purely man made.

[hunger]

eh... I think that a lot of these new "defectors" are a psi op. The reality is, there is no alignment in 2012, other than visual. If anything happens in 2012, it will be purely man made.

Or woman....

Why do you keep talking about women stan?
Because I want to be one
I want to be called Loretta!

:p;)

I'm Brian & so is my wife..etc

[goldman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx2iDWA8wWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMj_XWWdYEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8ZrSR25PUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE7JA8GV9I4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93OsQoHdXmM

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[bowtiedaddy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx2iDWA8wWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMj_XWWdYEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8ZrSR25PUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE7JA8GV9I4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93OsQoHdXmM

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I don't know if I buy that this guy is what he says he is. It's not impossible, but he's not that convincing. Yeah, he's an illuminati bloodline and he's working as a radiator salesman, and doesn't know how to spell very well? Don't you think he would have been knocked off for defecting? JFK was much more high profile than him, and look what they did to him for defecting.

[gilly]

I don't know if I buy that this guy is what he says he is. It's not impossible, but he's not that convincing. Yeah, he's an illuminati bloodline and he's working as a radiator salesman, and doesn't know how to spell very well? Don't you think he would have been knocked off for defecting? JFK was much more high profile than him, and look what they did to him for defecting.

I haven't read all the OP, because I read the full, much longer version a while back.

Hidden Hand chappie doesn't claim to be a defector - he reckons that for some unexplained reason, they (?) are obliged to communicate occassionally & give people an opportunity to ask questions.

At 1st reading, I was impressed, because the guy's clever, but on reflection, too much of what he says doesn't ring true.

[kappy0405]

eh... I think that a lot of these new "defectors" are a psi op. The reality is, there is no alignment in 2012, other than visual. If anything happens in 2012, it will be purely man made.

really? Astronomy programs show an alignment of atleast 5 planets along the ecliptic (sp?) on that day.

I doubt it will cause anything to happen, but there will certainly be an alignment that doesn't happen often.

[michael christopher]

eh... I think that a lot of these new "defectors" are a psi op. The reality is, there is no alignment in 2012, other than visual. If anything happens in 2012, it will be purely man made.

What do you mean there is no alignment?

[elysiansix]

Lots of people on this board and the new age community apparently dont believe in good and bad, and think duality is some type of illusion, or error. This message is aimed at those people, who will just gobble it up and praise lucifer as their savior who wants to help them "evolve" and become more "one". It seems to me that most people who believe they are "enlightened" by denouncing duality and promoting the whole new-age "oneness" tenet, along with most of the other new-age crap that doesnt have any basis in reality, are really nothing more than gullible, caught up in a flashy deception that might ultimately be nothing more than the NWR.

Evils greatest feat is making humanity believe that it does not exist. With no good and no bad, people will flock to whatever subjectively sounds the best to them, without regard to any objective truth. Its about instant gratification.

I dont know if "hidden hand" is anyone really important, or if some entity was "channeled" through hidden hand, it doesnt really matter. Some of what this person says sounds possibly plausible, but like someone else posted, its nothing new, its been said before, its just packaged differently with a couple twists, and sold as new.

Again, ss some have posted before, I think its mostly bullshit, and none of it can actually be proven to any acceptable degree, except to the very gullible, who, unfortunetly, are most of the people who believe in the "new-age".

Very well said and acutely true, sadly. The bottom line is that humans are brought up to follow the outer or Ego path (image, appearance, money and the conscious minds are all there is that counts) and aren't educated on how important it is to know that it's the INNER (spiritual and subconscious) aspects of intuition, doing what we want to evolve as spirit-human beings - not going out to earn money - that FEEDS the conscious minds.
It is the bedrock of all belief systems. And if you aren’t given the opportunity to find out who/what you are as an individual – you ain’t gonna have much of a belief system to support you.

The result is that these gullible people with no unbreakable belief systems are dead easy to control as they will all try and outdo each other on the Ego stakes and believing that we have to fight each other for diminishing resources (including, most bizarrely, money). Meantime their liberty, sense of purpose and decency to one another is robbed from them as they erroneously believe anyone not your family is an enemy.

2012 is massively important - these Illuminati-Satanist mutants are obsessed with SYMBOLISM (as well as money, sex, drugs and control) as it paves the way to the spiritual - which they are all using to promote themselves as the 'Illumined' and enlightened race of superior gods and goddesses.
Flatline = Anything good and sacred is used as a mask to hide perversion, corruption and satanism. That includes anyone with any symbolism in their names.
All films devolve to Jaws and Titanic. Same with music - just a way to control people, threaten them and keep their conscious minds averted from the truth.

[gods sun]

illuminati will not take my soul if they try i give them 1 hell of a brutal fight, with my knife i got made by native american, try and make one of those equlibrium style stuff going on lol. somtimes i really wish they start fighting people would wake up to hidden agendas a listen to those who are open and willing to fight for earth. maybe a new age templars, wear regilia and slaughter illuminati 1 by 1 with your little tip of your finger chopped off like assasins creed.

[sloughi]

The Age of Waterman is an exciting and wonderful time. Many will not let go of their religions easily and will come to bad ends or death hanging on to their delusions. It is a great time for Prophets, teachers and way prepares. It will be very difficult for them. Most of the teachers will be in the twin sign of Waterman.

The greatest among them will be those born on the first day of the change on Feb. 3, 1937 at 11:00 am. Many others will be born in that coming year. They are, if not influenced since childhood by religions and environment etc.. The actual way prepares and the geniuses of the new time.
Using the moniker "Hidden Hand," he gave a convincing explanation of the demented Cabalistic beliefs motivating the Illuminati. He described how they find this world consciousness ("Third Density") to be "very constricting and uncomfortable" and want to be united again with Lucifer ("the One," the "Creator.") This will require them to stage an apocalyptic human sacrifice ("harvest of souls") in 2012.
At the "Harvest" evolved souls will enter the "Fourth Density" with the Illuminati and enjoy a "Golden Age," while everyone else's soul will be transported to a "replica earth" where they will continue to "work on themselves." The scenario is reminiscent of the "Left Behind" series where Christians suddenly disappear into heaven, and non-believers are left behind to face the Tribulation. I don't think this is a coincidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ePlE3XoPIQ&feature=related
Pay attention to 1:19 when he says they have 3 hours to reconnect with God, which is something near what Hidden Hand says. Semjase however says that they have to give up their religous beliefs. I just stumbled across this video last week but it remind me of when I told you HH wasn't lying just relaying some of what has already been relayed.

[bowtiedaddy]

Oh no! The harvest is coming! It's kind of like that movie the day after tomorrow! The harvest will be swallowing up New York City! Godzill- I mean the harvest is coming! Head for the hills! :rolleyes: :D

[sloughi]

1952 ProphecySoon the third world war will explode and this present civilization will be destroyed in blood and fire. The whole Earth will become a gigantic cemetery where only crosses, crosses, and crosses will be seen... And we will plant the flag of Aquarius on the smoky ruins of that enormous cemetery...

The new era (the Golden Age) is a birthing of nature, and all birthing is painful. Only a select group of souls will be able to have physical bodies in Aquarius, where there will be light, wisdom, and beauty; the first resurrection is in Aquarius (its Golden Age), because the second will be in Sagittarius.

http://www.samaelaunweor.info/the-first-mountain-initiation/samael-aun-weor-in-jail/all-pages
No different from the loads of others I provided

[torus]

QUOTE=sloughi;822668]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ePlE3XoPIQ&feature=related
Pay attention to 1:19 when he says they have 3 hours to reconnect with God, which is something near what Hidden Hand says. Semjase however says that they have to give up their religous beliefs. I just stumbled across this video last week but it remind me of when I told you HH wasn't lying just relaying some of what has already been relayed.[/QUOTE]

pay attention to 1:19...:eek:

9 11 yet again...